North Korea's Longest Gun | Chch'e'po M1978 Koksan SPG
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The Chch'e'po was the first heavy Self-Propelled Gun independently developed in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) for the Korean People's Army (KPA).
This vehicle was developed as an ultra-long range mobile artillery system meant to strike sensitive targets in the Republic of Korea (ROK) without having to cross the Korean Demilitarized Zone and expose the artillery to opposing counter-battery fire.
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The Armed Forces of North Korea, On The Path of Songun - Stijin Mitzer, Joot Oliemans
Korean People’s Army Journal Volume 2 Number 6 - Joseph S. Bermudez Jr.
Korean People’s Army Journal Volume 2 Number 7 - Joseph S. Bermudez Jr.
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An article and script by Arturo Sigismondo
Narrated by Sosoniaru
Edited by Galahad
"Biggus Kokus..." Whatever could he be going for here?🤔
But is it operated by woger? Biggus dickus? Monty python? Life of Brian? Oh please 🙄 yourself.
Biggus Dickus
Oh , Germany used 170mm (17cm Kanone 18) during ww2 , which were captured by Soviets and donated to NK, which later got S 23 180mm and reverse engineered it to use 170mm..
와우 매우 정확한 분석입니다...소련쪽에서 170mm 구경을 쓰지 않죠
@@개구리-j3t Korean converted their guns to 170mm
@@개구리-j3t L
The more I looked at it I thought this was grille 15
Yo the C418 in the background caught me off-guard. Minecraft flashbacks hit me
I hope World of Tanks or World of Tanks Blitz or War Thunder knowing this tank exist and make a new sets of research line dubbed "DPRK" along with another North Korean tanks and South Korean ones...
That will make those three games more exciting 😂
Not really much place for Korean vehicles in most versions of World of Tanks, given a lack of actual tanks that could fit into the tiers and wouldn't simply be clones of Russia and/or China's trees. There's M1981 Shin'heung (a light tank built on a modified Chinese APC chassis, that looks like a bigger PT-76 and would perform like a slightly faster but worse-armored Type 62) and everything else would be clones. You could make a North Korean tech tree that wasn't full clone, but it would consist entirely of tank destroyers and artillery. I seriously doubt Wargaming would be interested in that. They always start out a new nation with a medium or heavy tank line. There's never been a tree that has only TDs. And an arty line is even less likely. IIRC it's been 7 years since the last time an arty was added to the game, and that was merely changing a pair of low-tier derp gun TDs into arty rather than an whole new line.
The exception to this would be "Cold War" mode in WoT Console, which doesn't have national tech trees and instead simply divides between "West", "East", and "Independent". Not only would this allow both North and South Korean tanks, the mode goes all the way to as modern as the M1A2 Abrams, Challenger 2, and T-90 (albeit under its prototype name T-72BU for no apparent reason). That means Ch'onma-ho tanks would be able to be added easily. Though South Korea's most iconic tank (the K2 Black Panther) would be a stretch since it comes from well *after* the Cold War.
War Thunder would be by far the best bet. Either as a combined Korean tech tree (they just showed with Israel that they're willing to simply skip past ranks 1-3, and the same could happen with Korea) or by just attaching North Korean vehicles to China and South Korea to America. (Or if they want to create a hilarious shitstorm, Japan.)
Hey can you guys post a list of all the technical types would like to find pictures and catalog them myself but yall don't have a list for all the types as far as I saw
That list would be massive
@@pavelalexe9254 wouldnt the public suggestion file come somewhere in the region?
2종류가 존재하며 저건 초기형 모델이네요...170mm 가 앞뒤로 레일 따라 움직입니다..이란 이라크전때 북한에서 수출되어 노획되었습니다 후기형 M1989형 러시아 2S7 pion 이랑 많이 비슷하게 생겼지만 구경 203mm이 다르죠
Does anyone else hear Minecraft music?
Yeah lmao
Nice
No cover for crew slow loading would be destroyed by counter battery fire from Himars
This shoots farther than the overhyped himars
big fucking gun doomguy aprooved
WOW...!! That's some cannon 170mm good on the North Korean"s and a range of 70km (( 35""ISH miles )) 🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵 the nearest gun of a similar calibre is the USA"s ... 175mm gun system that's no longer in service ☮️☯️🅰️🏴🏴🍺😊👍
nice use of minecraft music
Germany and the US have used 170mm artillery calibres before. German examples were captured by the USSR and potentially shared among satellite states, whilst the US has had some engineers that went rogue and exported their knowledge in developing large calibre artillery with dictators around the world.
One of them, was a Canadian man called Gerald Bull and there’s little doubt that he was inspired by the Nazi's infamous Schwerer Gustav that bombed Kyiv. Yet alone, the V3 which artillery gun that was built into a hill, permanently aiming at London.
It was set to use multi-stage munitions to power its projectiles and set records. Bull wanted to use artillery to launch space vehicles. The US funded his dream for a while (see Project Harp) but found more practical means to launch objects into space. So, he set about finding new customers to finance his passion project and after partnering with Sadam to build a giant artillery piece capable of hitting Israel from afar (one that was set into a hill), he was 'mysteriously' assassinated and the project fell apart.
I'm not saying he was involved in North Korea obtaining 170mm artillery but I couldn't help noticing there is another Iraq connection with this artillery piece, and Bull was familiar with both German and American artillery. Bull was active in the right time period and we don't necessarily know all of his work...
As demonstrated in the Azerbaijan - Armenian war, this type of weapon will not survive very long on a modern battlefield. It will be drone food.
It depend how your AA defence works, if armenian armed with this and protected by professional operator with best layered aa defence consist with russian, israeli, or germany aa weapon then the azeris one that got its ass destroyed
Drones aren’t magic.
Pion: “I have a great friend in korea named biggus kokus”
What's his wife's name?
@@Farmer101 biggus Virginianus (((((:
@@nhienleminhhue6605 you have stolen my identity you thief, crook.
Next stop ban.
Do you find this wisible?
@@nhienleminhhue6605 *Pacificus Intercontinentia
if laser systems become effective against guided and or unguided missiles heavy artillery wil again become relevant
assuming they can't shoot down arty shells too
@@j.f.fisher5318 Well, generally missiles are rather thin skinned, unlike a heavy shell
@@j.f.fisher5318 they probably can't, a missile needs just a bit of dammage to completely ruin it's ability to hit a target, a shell is simple, you can't really burn through it and there are no flaps to target or guidance systems to burn through or anything of the sort,
again provided these laser systems actually work
Heavy Artillery is still very much relevant now. There is a reason why even the guys with lots of expensive missiles have so many big guns and buy new ones all the time. Average artillery shells don't care if your armored car has a multi-million-dollar computer system in it or not, your armored car is trashed all the same if it is hit. Even main battle tanks don't shrug off large artillery shells. The tanker manuals for M1 Abrams detail the dangers of direct hits by large high-explosive arty shells which will at best require a lengthy visit to the repair shop or worst require you to get Graves Registration to hose the crew out of the wrecked tank. The only problem for modern artillery is that you have to be prepared to escape counter-battery fast, which is coming faster and faster as shell-tracking technology becomes more common. For towed guns, this is basically impractical so towed guns are obsolescent and probably will be obsolete against the higher-tech opponents, but self-propelled weapons that can fire and move within moments is plenty survivable and viable. Mate the shoot-and-scoot to the right computers, you can basically be sending accurate destructive devices without even stopping. Missiles have their place, but artillery does too.
@@genericpersonx333 yes but as it stands artillery is not actually utilised against serious oponents quite as much, during the first gulf war they certainly did not use any, but then again Iraq had a lot of artillery themselves, and since at least one of them had a range of up to 42 km's (north korean design) it stands to reason that a skirmish between artillery would probably lead to a lot of casualties where missiles were something which they couldn't counter
my point is more that as anti missile measures become cheaper and more common (such as lasers) missiles may swiftly lose much of their use against peer and near peer opponents in any conflict
don't get me wrong they wil remain usefull in many situations but my point was that despite artillery still being used by every major power, it wil gain importance simply because shells can't be shot down effectively
also the gulf war did see the use of drone guided ship-artillery strikes as it was the last use of a ww2 era battleship by the US, the huge guns were always pretty inacurate but by using drones this could be mended
The koksan makes my kokstand
koke power.
It does look suspiciously like a copy of the German 170mm Kanone 18, maybe the Soviets gave them captured tooling for the gun.
Yes it is.
sorry to say but please have a look at photos from the 17 cm canon.
It's a combination of the 17cm Cannon and soviet 18 cm cannon.
_Yes, indeed, germans invented all artillery, armored vehicles, planes and guns._
Is that what you hoped to hear? Sorry, but nope...
@@TheArklyte ah,i see its the old youtube mistake again,first the pills and than writing the comment.
I remember playing Mercenaries Playground of Destruction and the North Koreans using this, the first mission of the game is to destroy them. good times
The maintenance and "wear and tear" factor have to be immense in this case. Only by looking at photos in action and the range it achieves - the firing procedure must be brutal. I don't think it's very practical even with fire - move - fire - move tactics it is a slow and huge target for a fighter jet. Maybe not a single vehicle in itself but associated vehicles and personnel x3 is a lot that "happens" around.
I suppose for what it is designed for, shelling from a safe position or as part of a first strike, it would work well enough. I seem to recall reading the idea behind them was to shell civilian targets as a prelude to an invasion.
I’d imagine it’s as useful as the Soviet 2S5 and 2S7 and US M107 and M110 guns. Able to hit a target from a very long distance with a powerful shell. With decent support it’s no more vulnerable than any other heavy artillery system or MLRS.
@@KrisHandsome
Looks like it would fall apart if someone looked at it too hard. Supported by wheeled vehicles that look as if they've already fallen apart.
@@andrewholdaway813 Doesn’t look too different from similar large mobile artillery pieces. Trucks are probably fine too. If North Korea puts money and effort into anything it’d be their military and keeping their equipment running.
@@KrisHandsome
Well they looked pretty worn out to me and the narrator commented on the mismatched tyres on the trucks so I guess our opinions will just have to differ.
There can be barrel shrinkage when it is cold.
Biggus Cokus. I see what you did there
I see what you did there.
What have South Koreans did for us?
Samsung...
@@JMiskovsky we’re talking about the north though, aren’t we?
@@NoName-sb9tp yeah, but that scene wouldnt really fit well with north Korea
How do people even get info on NKorean weaponry anyway??
It's not like they're open about it
Probably from defectors, state media of the DPRK itself and reconnaissance satellite l/aircraft footage.
A lot of info can be obtained from just photographs
from Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan , Yemen, Iraq , Libya, Palestine, Syria ,Iran , Cuba, Algeria (allegedly), Albania (allegedly), Myanmar (allegedly), Egypt(confiscated) .
@@GerardMenvussa wikipedia is not reliable tho, completely.
North Korea is quite willing to sell weapons internationally, though. They sold plenty of tanks and artillery to Iran, for example. Some of which was captured by Iraq, then captured again by the US military.
Anyone who first saw these while playing Mercenaries...respect
Now, with ridiculous-sized guns, North Korea has almost become the Imperium of Man.
Even they revere the Kims as if they're deities. Reminds me of early Showa Imperial Japan where the emperor was a sacred ruler of the Japanese realm. Wouldn't be a surprise if the North Koreans chanting "10K years" for Kim.
@@Joshua_N-A
Someone indeed theorized that North Korea indeed adopted some things from its old hated and long since defeated enemy, the Imperial Japan.
Coffee came out of my nose when I saw the title on the thumbnail.
Name checks out.
Can't stop laughing. Obviously the vid isn't referring to the fearless leader's manhood. Too small to measure like Donny Trump's willy.
Hey Can you make a video about the T-55\M-18 Hellcat mix in the Bosnian War where serb engineers took the hull of a destroyed T-55 and the turret of a destroyed M-18 Hellcat and fit them together later 1994-95 it was Captured by the Bosnian Government army at Brčko (108 Brigada Brčko was it ig) who used it then
It should be named Hellspawn
Big coce :DDDDDDDDDDDD
The real grille 15
What so "funny" about biggus kokus?
I think that the widespread contempt in which DPRK designed and made equipment is both deserved, and undeserved.
If we are discussing equipment requiring advanced electronics and systems integration, like modern fighters or MBTs, then, yes. DPRKs claims to field cutting edge equipment amounts to the laughable bragging of a schoolyard bully. However, it does not take high tech to build basic artillery pieces, even self propelled artillery, and there's no indication that the DPRK can't build to a general 1960s-1970s level of technology. That's good enough for 3rd world level artillery, fire support vehicles, APCs, etc. It wouldn't stand against current generation equipment, but for any potential export customers, it wouldn't have to.
North Korea has built own equivalent to K9 Thunder with longer barrel and fielded ballistic radar on them before South Korea.
Another is that in 1990s North Korea with Syria developed FCS better than one in original M1 Abrams that was used up to M1A1HA model, with exception of night vision equipment which is not electronics, but other think of science. Later on they reverse engineered 9M133 Kornet ATGM and are fielding it with those having thermal imaging.
@@agramarten English, do you speak it?
@@ftffighter Do you speak it? Because your question implies you have trouble understanding English language.
The only other 170mm I can think of was the heavy howitzer of the Wehrmacht.
Koksandwich.
wonder if it was reversed engineered from the USA M107 175mm spg(discontinued)
That was used in Vietnam not Korea so I do not see where they would have gotten one from.
I also don't really see any resemblance between these two vehicles.
Both differ too much to look for "reverse engineering" It's possible one gave the idea for making the other.
@@jerrymiller9039 try maybe Vietnam since some were captured by the viet kong
Germany used 170mm (17cm Kanone 18) during ww2 , which were captured by Soviets and donated to NK, which later got S 23 180mm and reverse engineered it to use 170mm.
Please - no more Background Music. It is awful and distracting.
Correction: The USSR backed Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War. China sold weapons to both sides. The USSR and Iran were enemies until the late 1980s. The Soviet-made weapons that Iran acquired during the war were either captured from Iraq or were stocks sold by other countries but not by the USSR.
Grille-17
I'm surprised that u tube hasn't withdrawn this video for saying spade..
Funky to use Minecraft Music for a Video about the North Korean Tanks
biggus kokus
i cant believe nobody has noticed the bg music is mc
4:45 actually in ww1, Germany had an artillery gun that could hit targets 130 km away.
It was used to shell Paris
lol North Korea building t55s finally, by mid 1960s , big whoop
Most countries can’t produce tanks.
With some slight modifications you could have used this for nuclear munitions..
Grille 15 nephew
Good range any one dose not drive set gun in to mountain side big treats to Seoul
Slapping an oversized howitzer onto the chassis of a T-55 can be counted as 'development' apparently.
I mean it was the longest firing howitzer for 2 decades.
No it mean "work with what you have"
What do you do for work?
I'm a gun servant
.....wut
This is actually my discord name
Imagine an A10 warthog squadron reacting to that line of SP artillery lined up nicely on the beach of all places!
"Wonderful pants feelings"
Keep dreaming
Imagine A10 Warthog used against opponents with better air defense then scale between zero and "somewhere right before WWII"?:D
@@TheArklyte I don't think those would be deployed until enemy fighters and AD systems have been neutralized. A10 is a slow plane. But those fat juicy artillery pieces were made for it to kill.
@@Rayrard were they? You know the difference between A-10 and IL-102? Soviets decided that making de facto jet powered IL-2 in the 70's was a dumb idea... US decided that making jet powered P-47 was a dumb idea and still did it:D
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