AILLIO BULLET: Endgame Home Roaster. Is It Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Aillio Bullet R1 V2 Review and deep dive into roasting coffee at home.
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:42 - Standart
2:55 - Overview
6:00 - Pros
9:15 - Cons
13:17 - Final Thoughts
14:51 - Verdict - Розваги
What Roaster should we cover next?
Hyped to hear your thoughts on the Roest!
kaffelogic and the nucleus version of it.
Hive
Sandbox Smart R1 or R2
KALDI Coffee Roaster
So excited to see an influencer hitting the dangerous rabbit hole that is Home Roasting. Going to be a fun series to watch.
Excited to dive into it!
I think home roasters need more focused content on YT. This can be a very good thing!
@@JCleggy I agree! I hope to be some help.
Awesome you have finally shared a review on the R1, Can't wait to try different profiles on this roaster.
Thanks for watching
Love the new topic. Keep up the great work and keep the detail coming
Will do! Lots in the works and lots to come 🙂
Great video Kyle! A buddy of mine has two Bullets and uses them for his production roasting for his shop. He's been using them for a couple years with no issues that I'm aware of. The coffees I've had from him roasted on these has been great!
Glad to hear it man! They’re very capable little roasters no doubt!
You really have a touch with videography and editing! And ofc the presentation in general!
Thanks! It’s appreciated
So I have been waiting for someone to start this topic because I have always planned on looking into roasting at home. This will answer a lot of questions I have when the time comes.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching
Super interested in this roasting series! Would love to see some behind the scenes stuff about how you're getting the roasting business going. When you mentioned scoring equipment, it made me think of how Doug Demuro rates cars on UA-cam. He has a spreadsheet with a few different categories for each car that adds up to a total score ou of 100. Could be interesting to see a scoring system like that for coffee equipment based on like, ease of use, value, reliability, community, etc. Love the content!
Beautiful. I’ve been roasting my own using a Behmore for about three years and have loved the experience. I would like to upgrade someday to something like this.
Great video! Very excited to hear what you have to say about the Kaleido M10. I am starting a small roasting business(and I mean small) and actually chose the M10 over the Bullet(with price being a big consideration for sure). I should be getting it in mid Feb, pretty excited!
Looking forward to the rest of this series.
Beautiful Beautiful Intro.
Tempted to see more content regarding home roasting Kyle.
Got you covered my friend!
Great video. I don't know much about roasting and feel like I learned more about the technology and workflow 🤘
Thanks for watching as always friend!
Thnx for the review. It helped me to make a decision and order this roaster. Also the discount code was super helpful 😇😇
Glad I could help. Thanks for the comment!!
You hit the nail on the head with this one! Right on! Been using the Bullet for about 8 months now for my microroastery side hobby and the thing is a work horse. So stellar. Perhaps someday I’ll be able to get a big production roaster and hit the big leagues like you!
Glad to hear this resonated! All the best!
I'm thinking of selling coffee at Farmers Market. This a roaster I was considering. Have you found you can you do roasts back to back with this? Does it need to be rested often?
I’ve been lusting after this roaster for a year now. With a little luck I will order it next month.
Roasting is the topic that has not been covered so much - thank you so much!
You’re welcome!
Thank You for all the great info!
Thanks for the review. I’ve been home roasting for over 2 years. I’m currently using the Fresh Roast SR800. I exclusively roast Tanzanian Peaberry and have found a light to medium roast pattern that gets me excited to make espresso every morning. I use the Breville Barista Pro and a 1ZPresso K-Plus grinder. I think the Fresh Roast SR models have a lot to offer for the average home roaster at an affordable price.
Very nice! That’s a popular home roaster. Glad to hear you’re enjoying it!
Production quality is off the charts here. You've got a hell of a thing going for you
Thanks! I spend way more time than I’d like to admit polishing every video. Thanks for noticing
I just roasted my first batch of coffee last week! I've just got a Nuvo Eco pan, nothing fancy. And some green Nicaraguan beans from Jinotega. But I'm super excited to get into it! Finally, on my 4th attempt I got some beans that I am really happy with 🙂 Very excited for this series
Amazing! What did you roast with?
I just got that Nuvo Eco hand roaster ceramic oven, as well, and also some green beans from Jinotega, Nicaragua, from Primo. That first batch was pretty dirty, but once I figured out what I was doing wrong, I've had nothing but good, clean taste from the cup, and the smell is amazing. Takes me 20-25 minutes from start to finish, with the clean, freshly roasted beans cooled off and stored, waiting to be ground and drank in a few days.
It's actually pretty fun, and you get some amazing coffee out of it if you do it correctly.
@KyleRowsell just seeing this! On the Nuvo Eco, a little Korean coffee roasting pan. Since I commented this, I got a Behmor 1600 second-hand and have been roasting with that!
Went to use your code "Kyle" today and they said reached it's limit. I've been roasting a few months now and enjoy your channel. Hoping a new code will be released soon.
You are correct, I have been neglecting to subscribe to Standart for over a year now, but I finally gave in! Merry Christmas to me :)
Enjoy. They’re so great.
Great video!
Finally! The roasting series are here! Can’t wait for the next one!
Btw, do you have any thoughts on IKAWA home roaster? I know it’s roasting capacity is much much smaller than the ones you are going to be reviewing in the future but I was just curious what you thought of it.
Ikawa is awesome! It’s more of a sample roaster than anything. But very capable for its intended purposes!
Hi Kyle, great video!
I have had my bullet for almost 2 years now and loving it to bits! I just wanted to learn more about coffee and how to do roast as an enthusiast. I started out with the Gene Cafe. That lead me to the bullet. Have you thought about making a live roast? Like roast along with Kyle. Have a great day and thanks for being so committed to the world of coffee!
I have thought about it! Something we may do in the future for sure!
Awesome! Been eyeing this new version for a whiiiile now, might pull the trigger next year and finally start my micro micro roasting company haha. Congrats on the start of your new company!! Also it's great to see another video like this from you, I'm having flashbacks to your Bianca video years back that ultimately pushed me to purchase one. Been super happy with it, so I'm sure the bullet will work well for me! I've actually been using the Sandbox R2 and it's been... interesting... lol I think I'm trying to use it the way I'd use the bullet or even a production roaster, and it's just not the same. You're note about the fan cooling is interesting; just heard Rob Hoos talk in a Mill City webinar or something and he says one of the first things you should do with any roaster is find that point at which the fan starts to 'cool' the drum down. It's different for every roaster, but knowing that means you can have an optimal fan speed for best heat transfer. Sounds like you found that spot!
Thanks friend! Yes absolutely. Unfortunately the bullet is lower than most. I’d preferably like to get to f8 before cooling but it’s more like f6. Thanks for watching!
Listen man, I’ve only been into coffee like….6 or 7 months. You can’t be doing this to me! Haha now I really want a to do some home roasting. Love the channel!
I find it super interesting that I was literally just looking into buying the Bullet. Then the man himself posts a VIDDDD.
Enjoy! Hopefully it helps
I've been using a Behmor for almost 8 years and finally looking to upgrade. This roaster has been in my sights lately, but you're right that $3500 is a rough pill to swallow for a fun new learning experience.
We're going on 2 years with the Aillio Bullet as our sample roaster and a Dietrich IR12 as our production roaster at my microroastery/cafe. I've done as small as 100g samples and as much as 800g, but usually I do ~250g at a time. Most of the time, I actually like the fact that the fan is both for cooling and convection. I find that chaff isn't so much of a problem after 4 or 5 batches, but that's partly because of the size of my batches. In a single session, I'm usually looking at 12 roasts, and I like to empty the collector halfway through, but I won't vacuum it all out until after everything is done and cooled down. We got ours when it was still in the $2.5K range, which was honestly perfect for us for the amount of coffee we could sample roast at a time, especially at half the price of an Ikawa Pro 100.
Thanks for sharing that insight. We are beginning our micro roastery currently roasting on our SR -800's and we need something to bridge us until we get a permanent space. Congratulations on all your success so far.
Thanks How much is it now?
A solid 9/10 vs other brands in competition.
Two very important pros on the bullet that needs to be emphasized: the "automation side of it" (if you finalize your recipe, it's hassle free) and the "IBTS" (infrared sensor that needs to be cleaned every 50th batch). Been using the bullet for 9mos now and 900+ batches of roasts. From the 1st batch until the 20th batch of the day, the Bullet is very consistent with just a 20sec difference in the margins (cupping the 1st and last batch is very very similar). It's very important that you have your recipe per origin of coffee, just have a vacuum cleaner ready between batches and you are good to go with only 2-3mins of between batch protocol. The IBTS directly translates the color of the beans (must be cleaned regularly), and it's far more consistent than the traditional probes. From 300g batch to 1kg batch, drop temp on IBTS is very similar and really reflects to its color.
The cons are objectively outweighed by the pros. It's 9.5/10 if they did not increase the price :)
Glad you feel that way! I feel it’s a good 8 based on my use with commercial equipment and other home roasters. It would easily be a 9 if it was 25% less money.
So great to see you getting into roasting videos! I've been a home roaster for over a decade, and have owned the Bullet for over 2 years. It's a great machine, as you said. A couple things I noticed in your video, though. 1) I think advising people to clean out the chaff tray every 4-5 roasts is borderline. Every 2-3 roasts is probably more like it but it depends on the beans used too of course. 2) I'm not entirely sure that the Bullet lacks convective heating as much as you say. I took a couple Rob Hood courses on Bullet roasting and I seem to recall his talking about convective still being fairly active on the machine. You could check with Aillio and/or Rob to get more info. Looking forward to your other roasting videos to come! If you ask me, I'd say do the Behmor next (I and many others have started with that), and a series of videos on roasting tips/theory would be cool. Keep up the good work Kyle!
Hey! Good point on the filter. I had good success on 4-5 with light roasts. And no, the convective energy realty is true. Rob hoos actually made mention to this in a recent podcast. Of course a drum roaster is still primarily convection but I’m saying near the final stages when fan speeds need to be higher to remove smoke and create clean profiles, it slows the heat transfer rather than speeding it up like most convective systems would. But of course it still have convective energy!
@@KyleRowsell Ah I see what you're saying. And yeah, in my experience, anything beyond F3 starts to really suck out energy, so If I need to slow my roast down more quickly, I'll use F rather than P.
I love my Bullet and my natural process Ethiopians. I don’t know if I get the same results as a Probat but I do enjoy the coffee.
And that’s all that matters my friend
It's definitely in a class of it's own. I wonder if they'll move into larger roasters (or even smaller). 1kg is micro roasting levels. I'd love to see something like a 300g roaster by them for cheaper.
Agreed
They are coming out with a 2kg roaster
Great one and I hope you will get hold of a Kaffelogic too!
I hope to!
Love this!
Thanks for watching!!
To be honest, I use this roaster with p8/p9 and just raising fan speed (sometimes up to f9) until the end to control the roast.
We’ve been able to get wildly clean coffees that we just can’t get with a Probat 12 kilo we’ve been using.
I guess it’s just how you roast that really effects the flavor.
What we also get is enhanced texture and sweetness too. Maybe that’s from the conduction?
I'm interested in trying a batch of your coffee from this roaster! I'm looking to upgrade from my Fresh Roast SR540! Thank you for this series! It should help me in my decision making for my next roaster!
My pleasure
Только что установил его у себя. Хороший обзор. Отдельно купил вытяжку AOYUE FEK-01 Fume Extractor
Thanks!
This by far is one of the best video's I have seen on a roaster. We are a small micro roastery looking for our next machine. We are thinking about the Aillio Bullet but we are concerned about the smoke output. We are in shared commercial space with no ability to modify the building. However we have an commercial hood that we turn on to vent outside. Do you think that the Bullet could vent into the hood and exhaust out?
Sure can! As long as the hood has a strong enough fan
Been watching your videos for a while and they are all so great. I’m really curious what is your A-Roll main camera/lens combo? Looks so good with your on point lighting.
I should do a video on this at some point! But it’s an A7s3 from Sony.
@@KyleRowsell you have such a good eye for filming on top of your crazy coffee knowledge. Keep up the great work. I’m switching out of a Canon R6 (keeps overheating) to either the Sony a7s3 or Fuji XH2S for the open gate recording. Do you do your product photography with the a7s3 or do you find the 12mp files limiting?
@@jwanger142 a7s3 does all my current photos. It’s limited and I’d love an a74. But that’s money!
😂 Hotboxing your studio with coffee smoke was an intriguing thought huh!
I’m looking forward to your review on the Roest
Excited to share it!
Hey, first of all great video! I am considering buying an aillio bullet at the moment to learn more about roasting and eventually grow that into like a small commercial thing. One thing I've noticed is that the bullet's power setting are only in steps from 0-9 whilst on the big commercial roaster I am roasting on at work has gas from 0-100 where I could choose any setting in between (let's say 73). How does that compare? What if I have to slow down the roast after first crack in order to stay close to my desired end temp but I could only go from P1 to P0. Any experiences or advice? would highly appreciate it. Cheers
I'd really love and appreciate an overview of resources (books, etc.) for home roasting. I've been doing a bit with a popcorn popper, but I don't really know much of the science behind it or where to start looking for that
Kyle, I just want to say great job.
Thanks!
Good job getting ahold of one of these in Canada, how'd you manage it!? The Bullet is a really unique roaster at a really competitive price point compared to other 1kg roasters on the market, and I know some roasters/cafes on the west coast are using it as the backbone of their business which is pretty crazy to me, but all the respect and power to them! Cheers
Direct from Aillio.
Can't wait to get some of that September coffee 😋
Can’t wait to share it
For practice and for up-scaling purpose would you prefer a HB roaster (gas) ?
Kyle the coffee machines have been bad enough, now your adding a home roaster my my list of temptations 😀🤣
And so it begins
Where are the 👀?!?! Great video - thanks for digging into this topic.
SNAP. Massive missed opportunity
Thanks king
You’re Welcome 👑
Looks like ordering direct from Aillio incurs some serious VAT and $312 for shipping!!
Order from Sweet Maria’s and save big $$ plus get 10lbs of coffee for free 😊
Hi I'm from Mexico, where it's available to purchase it? And the shipping?
Are you going to compare to the Kaleido you have in the background of your latest videos? I have a stovetop set up but looking to switch to electric.
I've watched your video a lot but never subscribed. After this video, I immediately did so :)
this video made me want to have a cup if coffee ... instant
I feel you jumped right into top tear. You can really only go to commercial for better.
That’s how we do it. Set the standard and go up or down from there.
Hey, awesome vid! where did you buy it in the Ottawa region? Thanks
Direct from Aillio
If I live in Canada, where can I buy the 110-120V version of it? I cant decide between Aillio and Kaleido m10.
Only thing I found is the 220V version. 😢
Gosh dang it Kyle my heart jumped for joy but my wallet quivered in fear
It’s not cheap! But relative to most 1kg roasters it can be a great value.
danke!
5:58 my thoughts exactly XD
hi Kyle can you do a review on the Roest, thanks.
That has got to be the most beautiful roaster ever.
it's nice!
@1:04 Great, thanks a lot, I have been waiting quite a while for a channel to cover this specific topic. Nice to watch it on _your_ channel - see you ;-)
My pleasure!!
Greetings from India
Saw you first time today
You are amazing
You’re amazing!
cant wait to try your coffee!! hopefully it will be available here in the Philippines.
side note: you need a better outro
It will be!
And I do. Any ideas?
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Wow! thank you for that!
I'm mainly here for your reviews and updates which helped me decide to upgrade my coffee equipment ( Big thanks to you and Hoffman).
a simple catchphrase will do but dont sweat about it.
The Roest is an endgame home roaster.
What roaster are you using then?
When is the grinder video dropping ?? :) looking forward to it
What grinder?
Hi.
What a great video. Finally, someone makes a series about how to roast coffee.
I have a Gene Cafe cbr-101, and I'd love to see a video on how to use such a cheap roaster.
The Gene has a lots of limitations compared to more expensive roasters, but I find, that I can get some pretty good results. Due to the limitations I find it hard to transfer your advice from how to use a roaster like the Aillio Bullet to how to use a roaster like the Gene Cafe.
Thanks for watching!
Have you tried the bullet with artisan? It would be interesting to see down the line how compatible these roasters are with artisan. Not because artisan is the best but because it's more widely used especially with home roasting circles.
Honestly no I haven’t. I’ve truly enjoyed roastime even though it also has its flaws
Cool! I might have to pull the trigger on it. I don’t think my wife will be happy with it in our kitchen next to my espresso machine and grinder. When you say it emits “smoke” can I tell my wife it creates a fresh roast coffee aroma?
Well… it’s quite a lot of smoke. You’re going to want to vent it out ha
5:55 is Kyle contemplating a new business startup
It’ll be an “experience”
Very interesting video! For the hobbyist, would you steer most people towards buying great coffee from a skilled roaster than trying to dip their toe into coffee roasting? I have family that wants to try coffee roasting, but with a sub $1,000 budget; I feel like it is better to just buy great coffee from people who know what they are doing (or am I wrong and is the process not as difficult to get right as I perceive it to be)?
Totally. Unless you’re wanting to get into the weeds buying from a skilled roaster makes a lot of sense
Hello, Clegg, that is exactly what I was thinking ;-) I am already happy that I eventually made the jump to a decent E61 machine…
I will probably be watching this with interest for the next couple of years before starting this new hobby ;-)
Achievement unlocked : epic intro.
Thank you! Haha
Hmm, interested. Wondering where I can get fresh beans for roasting though?
Sweet Maria’s is great for small batches. Royal, forward, and other importers will do larger batches around 25 kg for home roasters.
Can't wait for a review on a 250gram capacity for individual home use.
I'd love to see a small bullet like this.
Immediate thumbs up just for @5:54
I mean… considered it.
As someone with a bullet and a very small roasting company, I wish they made it smaller for people that just wanna roast for themselves. Unless you have a family with 5+ big drinkers, I think it's overkill unless you just want it to have fun and spend money.
*My Bullet has also had a lot of glitches. Their customer service bends over backwards for you but I'd still rather not have those issues at all and I've lost a lot of orders due to those glitches
Very true! A 500g bullet would be great to see.
Would you ever consider selling it and upgrading yourself? I’ve been looking for used bullets but they’re impossible to find!
I would love a sub $500 competition in the same vein as your hand grinder videos.
Great idea
Bullet better or Kaleido Sniper M2 Coffee Roaster???
Finally, you were not so apologetic.
I gave you a thumbs up because you reviewed the cons without being afraid of offending someone (or at least not as much as in your other videos)
Continue to say what you think!
Always have?
Are you certain there isn’t enough airflow in the bullet for adequate convective heating or is that just an assumption based on how higher airflows cool the roast down?
I didn’t say that. I said past f5/f6 it begins to cool leaving the need for too much conductive. This is especially true if turning up the fans at end of roast to eliminate roasty flavours since this isn’t smoke incinerating.
Okay. I see what you were saying now. The way it was set up in the video caused me to misunderstand what you were saying. I do find the fan speeds to be adequate. I usually live in f2-f4 with a lot of success.
weird, so its not production roaster but also not for roasting once a month, what it is for then? :D
I can’t make up my mind on the Bullet’s conduction based heating. Rob Hoos insists that “heat is heat” regardless of conduction vs convection. If I do two roasts, one on the bullet and another on a probat, and both hit all the same time/time markers, how does the method of applying heat change the outcome? It’s not like there’s flavor in the energy itself. That being said …in the back of my mind I still suspect that there’s got to be some difference in the end product, I just can’t explain how
There are many different claims from different sources. rao claims that too much conductive heat can cause a less transparent cup with more tar-ry flavours because conductive will often transfer heat less uniform than convective. But don’t be mistaken, the bullet still uses both as it needs to. But when the fan is turned up past f5/f6 it can start to have some negative effects
Tooooooooo Expensive....end of story .This was well done ,thank you .
My favorite part.....this little plug is so easy to lose....THE WORST THING EVER....but that's not even the worst part.....
I’m a bit dramatic. And I’m not sorry 😇
Really exciting topic with coffee people Thank you for doing it
my pleasure
Not me looking for some glue for my jaw after checking out the price of this cylinder on a stand
Haha yes. Not cheap.
@@KyleRowsell The things we do for good coffee 😆
@@bport95 wouldn’t change it for the world! Ha
Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤🕊
I thought I was interested in this roaster until I saw the price 😅
It’s pricey. But it’s no joke.
You WISH this was end-game- there’s always another rung on the ladder :)
ha doesn't mean this isn't considered end game for many
True :)
Cr600.. no proprietary software or tech.
How are you people losing the top cover?! You’re not the only one. It lives on top of the bullet at all times. Pick it up, use the hopper, remove the hopper, put it immediately back. It leaves the bullet for no more than 20 seconds.
Maybe not all of us are as perfect as you 🙃
I had 7 year old tell me it looks like a doggy 🐶🐶
LOL love it
Bold move, announcing your own coffee roasting business and then reviewing a home roaster.
Ha. It is. We’re confident in our coffee but also our roasting knowledge. But always trying to learn!
@@KyleRowsell I was an avid home roaster (Behmor), but after finding a really good, local roaster, I’ve been roasting less and less.
@@KyleRowsell I mean support from _Lance Hedrick_ is never a mistake in this specific branch of interest… ;-)