MSG is neither terribly dangerous nor perfectly fine
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**SOURCES IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE**
Original 1968 letter to the New England Journal of Medicine discussing "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" (not free): www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
2007 European scientific consensus on MSG, known as the "Hohenheim consensus": www.nature.com/articles/1602526
1969 study that found some legitimacy in the "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" notion (not free): science.sciencemag.org/conten...
2008 study that found a link between MSG and obesity in China: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Dr. Sarah Tracy's 2016 doctoral thesis on the history of MSG: tspace.library.utoronto.ca/ha...
2017 journal article about the 1968 Kwok letter and the ensuing racial dynamics: ir.uiowa.edu/poroi/vol12/iss2/7/
1993 book discussing comic syndrome letters (chapter 6): books.google.com/books?id=SQw...
2019 magazine article about Dr. Howard Steel's claim to be the real Dr. Kwok: news.colgate.edu/magazine/201...
2019 episode of the podcast "This American Life" that (pretty much) debunks Dr. Steel's claim: www.thisamericanlife.org/668/...
2017 journal article about racism in the MSG debate: curj.columbia.edu/article/a-r...
1969 study associating brain lesions in mice with large MSG injections (not free): science.sciencemag.org/conten...
1995 report about MSG commissioned by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration: www.faseb.org/Portals/2/PDFs/...
2010 study that found no link between MSG and obesity in China: www.cambridge.org/core/journa... - Навчання та стиль
Adam: MSG
Me: Metal Sear Golid
I've been looking for this comment! Now I don't have to write it myself :)
metal solid gear?
Snakes ass
@@zlataneminovic1816 liquiiiiiiiid!
@Aaron Fkckcjc I think its a pun because Searing in cooking means to heat up a part of food; usually steaks
"we're not out there on the streets shooting up huge amounts of MSG"
Speak for yourself Adam. I like to party.
Wow, we found a barbarian here
@@trihermawan9553 Yes, as a man of culture you should snort MSG, of course.
Gee! How can I be cool like you?
Absolute madlad
The pinnacle of man
Calling headache symptoms as "Chinese-Restaurant syndrome" is like calling obesity as "American-Diner syndrome" or calling digestive issues as "Indian-Streetfood syndrome" 💀
There are plenty of food additives that cause allergies that are not MSG. And there are Chinese restaurants that use a lot of additives, and others that use none (aside from salt and spices). When you have allergies to chemical additives you can tell the difference fairly easily. I get a dry cough after some restaurant food, but not after others. Next to fast food, Americanized Chinese restaurants are usually the second worst. But like I said there are exceptions.
you win the internetO
I will accept your new terms 😂
@@lumpychucks6457 and what specific additives are you referring to? how is that specific to americanized chinese food and not just all processed food?
@@ericchen776 It's mostly in the seasonings, and I never said it was specific to Americanized Chinese. They use a lot of whatever it is that gives me the bad cough and rash in fast food, especially A&W. I don't have issues with Italian restaurants or Mexican restaurants though, along with most other culturally focused restaurants, so yes, I would say that Americanized Chinese stands out as worse than most, at least for me. It seems you expect a guy in the comment section to have a PHD on food additives, which I don't. It is an anecdotal comment on the internet. Chill out, and stop getting so defensive.
I had a girlfriend who claimed to be allergic to it. She would read food labels to avoid eating anything with MSG or "natural flavoring" (label-code for MSG).
I've heard other people say it "tricks your taste buds into thinking something tastes good," which just sounds like any other seasoning, if you think about it for a second.
I'm surprised there was no mention in the video of soy sauce (fermented soybean juice), which I understand is naturally high in MSG.
I wonder if she knew how many foods she ate that had naturally occurring MSG in them?
That's why soy sauce is so damn good
your brain tricks you into thinking
MSG- My Sexy Grandmother
I knew someone who actually was allergic to MSG itself. Their face would visibly swell up and after enough exposures their throat started swelling shut. And yeah they did have severe health issues from being unable to have a LOT of things like sundried tomatoes, soy sauce, etc.
A small amount of people will experience mild adverse reactions when eating a lot of...literally anything!
@pat mckinzie It's not completely false. A Chinese restaurant near where I lived as a teenager got shut down after the health inspector caught them labeling horse meat as beef.
@@Mikemk_ if this was back in 2013 they could've been just victims of the tesco horse meat scandal where tesco sold horse meat as beef.
@@this_is_japes7409 2011 I think. I went to college in 2013, and it was a couple years before I moved away.
Hell, even drinking water a lot can kill you, so yeah.. Ban water, i guess?
@pat mckinzie Well, there was a chinese food restaurant around me that got shutdown for it's beef not actually being beef.
This makes me think I need to get some MSG so I can start getting healthy food to start tasting like Cheetos and Doritos.
I was thinking the same
😂😂😂 genius!
Hmm... That is actually not really required at all. Optional, though not required. There is a lot of delicious healthy food.
@@Drawingb ...
@@makavelismith Its true
I made an order for a takeaway Asian restaurant once, and mentioned in the notes to add extra MSG to the fried rice. They called me up extremely confused and asked if I meant I wanted no MSG.
Based
When I want extra spices, people always roll their eyes until I say, "use the right amount, not the white amount."
Lot of uncle Roger fans out there.
MSG - true story. I was hosting a large party with some friends. I was making a huge green salad in an old wooden salad bowl handed down for who knows how long. As I was taught, I rubbed the inside with a raw garlic clove. But my twist on tradition was a light toss of MSG, after which I added the lettuce, then drizzled the vinaigrette down the side of the bowl, then tossed it all together. This meant I could set it up and leave it without the lettuces wilting. In this instance, big bowl, only two hands, I'd left the vinaigrette in the kitchen. I went back and got it, returned to the buffet to add it to the bowl...the now empty bowl...WTF? I'd of sworn I left a bowl full of lettuce here. It was really disorienting, until...the ravening hordes surrounded me...asking for more of that delicious salad. "It's the best dressing I ever had," etc. etc. etc. A tiny bit of raw garlic rubbed on a wooden bowl, a very light sprinkling of MSG (it is after all a salt) and some leafy red and green lettuce. I tried it later on, just as an experiment, and it did taste good. Better than good. It was somehow mildly entrancing. I could actually taste the lettuce (and a faint whiff of garlic) without the overpowering acid/oil of a vinaigrette.
My mom and I had been using it for years in our cooking but hadn't noticed quite how big difference it can make. First time I made roast chicken for my Aunt, sprinkled with a little garlic salt and MSG, she (a cranky woman who never liked anything) raved about it. "The best chicken I've ever had." Unfortunately, or fortunately, where a little is magic, a lot isn't transformational, at least not in a good way. If you want to test this yourself, steam some plain green beans, serve them with just a pinch of MSG and taste. They've suddenly got more flavor -- their own is amped up. MSG is, after all, meant to enhance flavors, and it does.
As for the MSG syndrome, people had been eating in Chinese restaurants, eating food containing MSG, for decades without ill effect. Why they would suddenly believe they were now alllergic to it is a mystery to me. I taught Chinese stir fry in a community college level culinary program. I had had a student warn me that she was deathly allergic to MSG. "It sent me to the emergency room." While I had my doubts, I wasn't taking any chances. I spent hours going from store to store sourcing Chinese sauces and condiments without MSG, in particular, oyster sauce. Come the first class, we made, among other things, fried rice, with oyster sauce. It wasn't until everyone was sampling the food, including my deathly allergic student, that I found the non-MSG oyster sauce container, sitting there, unopened. Do I call 911 now or after she falls to the floor in whatever. No surprise, she pigged out, raved about the flavor, and had no ill effects.
Wow, sorry, that was a brain dump, but MSG is one of those things I'm a bug about. If people would just use a little common sense, not panic and, above all, not overindulge, we'd all be a lot happier.
oyster sauce (like any fermented protein) is even a source of naturally occuring glutamate, the only part theorethically missing is the sodium ions, which you'd also get from regular salt (and are most likely present in oyster sauce as well)
Did you reveal to the student that they'd just eaten MSG?
@@asandax6 No. She was the type who would have have suef. I did tell my boss so she could decide for herself, though.
@@nienke7713 I was going by the label, which said, "no MSG."
@@cozyvamp Oh yeah she would have suddenly started having symptoms like a kid that just fell down, didn't realize people were watching than starts crying for attention.
I remember this one UK show about food science. In one episode they gathered some people and served them a meal. After the meal, people were interviewed and then told that the meal had MSG in it. Some of the interviewed claimed to feel headaches or some other mild symptoms and one woman in particular went as far as saying that she "had noticed the taste of MSG" and "had been having headaches since then". However, they lied. There wasn't any MSG in the food. I still remember the face of that middle age woman who said she felt the taste of MSG in the food...
Oh I really trust that wasn’t a biased study
@@larryp.60 i mean that is the placebo effect. I mean its so strong that most pain medication does nothing more than simply convincing someone that they will feel better. The human mind is pretty fucked.
@@larryp.60 how, how would that even be biased? From the comment it was literally filmed and all they did was give people a meal which they claimed had MSG in it, watch their reactions, document the nocebo effect, and then tell them the truth. That, really can't be biased. Its not like this was a massive data driven survey or anything where you could cherry pick or manipulate the data, from the comment this was literally just serving a meal to a few people and watchnig how their minds fill in the gaps.
@@larryp.60 Yes. They're biased to be against MSG.
I was thinking of the same thing
A wise man said: "MSG is salt on crack"
Fuiyooohhh
Fuiyohh
And a stupid auntie left the wise man for saying that.
@@juliaxiao5320her name was "Dat Ho", and the wise man should've sprinkled a little msg on their relationship :(
@@thatoneguy7661 lmaooo
For years I avoided going to Madison Square Gardens, this video cleared things up for me.
Wasn’t going to a rangers game before this 💀
🤣🤣🤣
Limiting your exposure to the Knicks is probably good for you.
Tomato and Mushrooms are some of the foods that contain natural MSG.
So, the reason that mushroom soup or tomato sauce didn't taste any different or enhanced, is because it already was because of that natural MSG.
Cheers!
Had it been invented by an European/American, it would never face such criticism or bad press.
@@ytskt Did you watch the video?
@@philidips yes. What's your point?
@@ytskt I'm asking what *your* point is. I think Adam takes pretty good care in the video to acknowledge the cultural moral panic about MSG, and I think the concerns he does raise are well-contextualised and well-argued. And I don't at all see what your comment has to do with Chirag's.
I want to add that this "criticism" is not unique to "European/American" people only though. A lot of people who grew up in Muslim cultures, for example, seriously believe that eating pork is bad for your health. And we're not talking about religious taboos here. Some of them just think pork is somehow intrinsically unhealthy, even though it is not true, scientifically, in comparison to other types of meat, and many pork-consuming countries have some of the longest life expectancies.
"You know what 3 grams of MSG looks like?!"
[Dominoes Pizza youtube ad]
The e number of MSG is e621
Lol I got a reeces ad at that part
Omg I just got the same thing!! (Specifically, the one with the dudes yodelling to each other) 😂
@@RedPawner even better… mmmm…
domino pizza tastes like the dough batter was snorting msg before it got baked
We should start calling salt "sodium chloride" and maybe the chemical-like name will prevent people from dousing everything they eat with it like MSG
Better yet, monosodium chloride.
Monosodium monochloride
"Uh dude, that's salt."
uh dude, it's called salt
@@PasCone103Z
That's what I said. Sodium chloride
hilarious how he called Fritos “food-like products” 😂😂😂
As I recall, the whole MSG hysteria began with a restaurant reviewer writing about his experience eating at an Asian restaurant. He wrote a review blaming his headache on MSG. He left out that he also consumed enough alcohol to induce a hangover. P.S. Ikeda did not find monosodium glutamate in seaweed. He found glutamate, figured out it was responsible for umami, and then had to figure out how to stabilize it so it could be used in food. He did this by adding sodium, hence "monosodium". He deserves a Nobel prize.
Not how to ferment it from sugar?
I mean it's also possible that the alcohol plus the salt in the MSG plus him not drinking water caused some minor dehydration and lead to a headache something that is easily a side effect of not drinking enough water also alcohol dehydrates as well too much MSG is probably bad but how much is too much matters on a LOT of factors and probably different person to persona and is probably not as big of a deal as some people have made it out to be granted more studies into food are always welcomed hopefully they will actually be unbiased.
No. Free glutamic acid is harmful. There is a difference between mushrooms and MSG.
So eating tomatoes and cheese is harmful? Glutamic acid is found in both foods. The human body synthesizes glutamic acid, which is strange if you regard it as harmful. Extensive testing has shown that MSG is not harmful to health.
@@gbennett58 Bound glutamates are in tomatoes, celery, mushrooms, cheese. They're still in their whole form. Free glutamates are no longer attached to the amino acid and spike the level of glutamates in the blood stream. MSG is the unnatural form of glutamic acid.
To me msg is like salt. Can you get a seizure from salt, yes. Are people panicking on the streets, no.
It's the same with msg. Don't eat too much and you'll be fine.
Mnemosyne Barton
Your body is made of salt. Your blood needs sodium in it in order to be healthy. Sodium. is an essential mineral. The people who cant eat salt are dead. Almost every food has salt in it
TWrecks true. Yet there it is: many people must avoid added salt. Isn’t science fun?
Mnemosyne Barton
Also i hope youre not eating potato chips, doritos, sausages, hotdogs and other processed meats, seaweed, tomatoes, soy sauce, parmesan cheese, and the list goes on and on. You probably eat msg on a daily basis. Lmao
Mnemosyne Barton
Soy sauce literally contains glutamates so im gonna have to bet your asian restaurant uses glutamates.
@@vraifille meat basically has msg on it. I'm assuming you're vegan
Asian restaurants are pressured to have no MSG signs while KFC along with every American savory snack liberally uses it. USA! USA! USA! Fun fact: Japan is the heaviest user of MSG and have the highest life expectancy along with Greeks.
@Knight Beast just goes to show how shit their fast food is, along with their lifestyles for quite a lot of people (in America)
What about Japan's heart and stomach problems?
What? The Japanese life expectancy exceeds 80 and they have the most centenarians in the world. They literally have MSG everyday in their meals and snacjs. No obesity problems and much less heart and stomach problems per capita than Americans.
Umm I think this is obvious as to why.. MSG is FAR more common(at least it WAS) in Chinese and Asian cooking. American foods establishments get away with this now as they are less likely to use MSG (or were), and have only more recently started using MSG more routinely. But this stems simply from misinformation about MSG in the first place. Incorrect articles and research about MSG that made people afraid of it. I do not think this is anyone's fault specifically for the MSG-hesitancy, but I also do not think it is rooted in racism or Xenophobia.
Greeks? No it’s Germans in Europe who live the longest and have a lifespan closest to that of the Japanese
Industrial fermentation followed by chemical stabilization can also technically describe wine production (at least on a large enough scale). I wonder if anybody would argue that wine is unnatural, or if this more a matter of semantics and personal bias.
The whole idea of what's "natural" or not is entirely up to personal bias, and it's a pointless distinction
But...wine is from grapes...perfectly natural! 🍇
@@Magneticlaw shut up royal
@@Magneticlaw And MSG is from bacteria! Also perfectly natural - in fact, bacteria have been around in nature for hundreds of millions of years longer than grapes have, and grapes are domesticated, so one could say grapes are _more_ unnatural in comparison!
Mmm, I love my natural uranium
My favorite response to the "it's all natural so it must be good for you" was my grandmother pointing to her foxglove plants on the windowsill. She said "those are all natural too and they look beautiful but if you eat a blossom or two you'll be fertilizing your own flowers after your soon to be funeral. Just because something is all natural doesn't mean it's good for you. People have been killing each other for millenia with all natural ingredients."
one time i made eggs and accidentally seasoned my eggs with MSG instead of salt. i kept adding, tasting, adding, and tasting, and was so confused as to why my eggs didn't taste savory enough. it tasted good but somehow lacked saltiness. then i pulled out some actual salt, put it on my eggs, and then it tasted right, which was when i realized the thing i was sprinkling on before was MSG. u need both to really lift the flavor of ur food.
Well put some sugar and honey in it. And taste that again.
@@davidfreeman3083 what will do sweetness do? does it add to the savoriness
@@dixonyamada6969 Well from my experience, having sweetness, savoriness, and saltiness is like... I mean I can't really describe how it taste like, other than telling you that it tastes really good.
@@davidfreeman3083 Sugars can have a similiar effect to glutamate, enhancing and intensifying the other taste/aroma compounds
@@dixonyamada6969 It lifts certain base flavours - think about how popular ketchup it, the reason it's so popular is because it's an almost perfect combination of Sweet, Sour, Salt, Glutimate and Bitter, and so when used on so many foods, it just lifts them all in every way possibly.
"MSG is the king of flavors"
~uncle roger
uncle roger is best boi
Where is msg haiyaaaaaaa~
Msg baby is best baby
Use a god damn rice cooker its 2020
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This channel is better than all my years at culinary school. Wickedly interesting. We love you Adam!!!! -Chef Ortiz (currently drinking coffee watching your channel, 10pm at night, San Diego, CA) =]
MSG adds such a good flavor. My mom is Japanese and used it in stews and other concoctions. I tried replicating her recipes without it but it doesn’t work. It adds the umami flavor.
I really adore how measured you are in your approach to potentially controversial food science. You don't strike me as having a perspective you are aiming to sell. Your intellectual curiosity shines through, and it makes the videos incredibly enjoyable to watch. Also, let Lauren know I'm reading Better than the Best Plan and it's so much fun! A great postpartum (in other words, tired, cranky, potentially stressed and seeking respite) read.
This. I am glad I found this channel. It is a realistic approach to understanding food at a scientific level (distilled down for mass consumption). And he doesn't overcomplicate to solidify his niche.
wm1989 exactly! For example the other day I was watching a video and the guy just nonchalantly pulls out truffle
This is exactly what I wanted to say, but I knew someone said if before me! The way you said it is perfect!
@@Edinburgh1000 I'm not going to respond to everything you said here, because frankly a lot of it is nonsensical. But I need to correct where you have said things that are simply false. I never said I "bought into margarine being healthier a healthier alternative to butter back in the day." I simply never said anything of the sort. Nor did I ever say that I deprive my children of red meat, or encourage anyone else to do so. Regarding teflon, I have no idea what you think you're talking about. No expert thinks the pans are terribly dangerous. The reason the EU is looking at bans is because of PFAS chemicals leaked into the environment from the non-stick production process, and from products like water-proof clothing that is literally coated in GenX. Lastly, the assertion that I'm being lazy is absurd. I am being humble. I am knowing my place. I am not a scientist, and I am not qualified to challenge the scientific consensus. No one should care what my opinions are about the science. Instead, I seek out qualified experts and relate their knowledge and opinions to my audience. That is all I am qualified to do.
Adam Ragusea
props for holding back 99% of the time Adam.
"As a test I added MSG to MSG broth and couldn't tell the difference, then I added MSG to MSG sauce and couldn't tell the difference again! So I added MSG to a bland dish and, guess what? It tasted like I added mushroom broth to it!"
Huh?
@@user-sf4fy8bq1h If you don't get it, watch the vid again.
@@pubcollize I just didn't know that mushrooms and tomatoes are naturally high in MSG, that's all
@@user-sf4fy8bq1h Btw sorry if I came off as rude, that wasn't the intention.
@@pubcollize it's okay! Now that I understand, your comment is actually kinda funny
The same thing happened in the 60's with cyclamates. Diet soda came out that did not have any after taste..After a very short life it was deemed dangerous. As it turned out the testing that was done to determine it's safety was the equv.of drinking 100 cans of soda a day. We figured it had to have been funded by one of the big sugar companies.
Tbf, I'm from the south, and I personally know people that drink enough soda for the artificial sweeteners to be harmful, and a couple that actually have health issues from them.
That said, there's no way it could be worse than high fructose corn syrup. Also, at the point that artificial sweeteners become problematic, you'd also be getting too much sugar or too much of something else.
I think so long as you're happy with the taste, and enjoy in moderation (and have no health issues regarding them), go for whatever. I personally don't like the flavor of artificial sweeteners, and feel like they destroy the flavor profile and overpower most things they're added to. I only drink sodas with real sugar though, because I feel that corn syrup does the same.
That and saccharin
Man that kind of shit should call for jail time to whoever approved that.
@@blargcoster saccharin still sucks tho, even if it's 100% harmless abandoning it is still a net positive. Glad stevia, sucralose etc replaced it
Same thing they did with vaping. They tested the effects of e-juice at temperatures well over boiling in comical concentrations and ignored that no human could physically do that.
Found your channel today. Instantly subbed and spent 2ish hours listening to your vids while cleaning lol
Damn that Japanese chemist was like. Oh, I'm going to make some sou- *nevermind I isolated an amino acid*
He figured it out by asking his wife to leave everything but the seaweed out. Since it still tasted good, that had to be the culprit.
now i can make more soup more easily
and that's how glutamic acid was discovered
Yeah read the story of Ajimoto. He made a lot of money from MSG
*So the conclusion of this video is:*
*1.* MSG is not harmful if used in moderation
*2.* MSG does not make already tasty food taste better
*3.* MSG makes bland food taste great
GrinFlash I disagree, MSG can make good food better
@@boygenius538_8 I've merely stated what Adam said in this video.
"Why i season my msg and not my chloroform"
Dennis Cuesta **visible confusion**
0. MSG is 100% safe if not used in powder form at all
dude you are awesome, i have no idea how i went this long without your content
I tasted NaCl, KCl and MSG. MSG in a small amounts helps cut overall salt intake. KCl just feels like something else on its own even though it’s salty as well and I end up with a weird sensation that something is both salty and unsalted at the same time.
It's been one year since I started doing MSG powder. First it was all fun, and I felt great. I was eating it after every meal, every night before I went to bed... it was a great experience. But my obsession grew. I started incorporating it into every aspect of my life. Used it on my toothbrush when I brushed in the morning... gargled with it. Put it in my coffee. Then it turned detrimental. I would snort lines of it before I went to school. Put it in my pipe and smoked it before work. The next thing I knew, was that I was heating it up in a spoon, and putting a syringe into my intestines. Man, was that a great pump.
Lmao
😂😂😂😂
That's a joke, right?
@@Me-da-Ghost No it's OBVIOUSLY serious, you don't inject MSG as well?
@@Me-da-Ghost I'm afraid not
I make my own Ranch dressing (Cook's Illustrated recipe). It calls for 1/2 tsp of salt. Last time I made it, I swapped it for 1/4 tsp salt and 1/4 tsp MSG, and I laughed when I tasted it. It tasted EXACTLY like Hidden Valley Ranch.
lol really?
you found the valley...
@@tawilk and the valley is filled with white powder
@@tawilk now its just valley ranch. probably should delete this to hide it again
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I spent the whole video fearing that a NOOOOOO would burst out from the speakers at any time. Thankfully it didn't happen .
Thank you, Adam, for a great peaceful, informational and entertaining video.
He only does that when basic, easy, recepies have been littered with nonsense "secrets"...
Like vegetable soup. Veg+water+heat..... [But then you have to have 10 week old sauteed mushroom sauce...] NO! Just boil the damn vegetables ffs.
no that was last Thursdays video
The "NOOO" only happens in "SHOCKING SECRET" videos
I thought it said MGS instead of MSG and was really confused about what direction this channel was gonna go.
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"Why I season my chemicals and NOT my burger"
Same, doesn't help that I got a notification for an MGS video.
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Awesome video! Straight to the point, so many different opinions and theory and with great conclusion.
Nice job with this video - Thanks for doing these!
I love how most people that say "chinese takeout gives me headaches- msg you know" eat like tons of products that msg like bags and bags of doritos and cheetos and never complain about them lol.
yea basically xenophobia
Exactly!!!
Most people don't say this.
@mike hunt no, not false at all. Tell me a reason why there's no doritos syndrome
@@AssyMcgeeKicksAce who said they did? I said most people that say this dont complain about any other source of msg, not that most people have a problem with chinese takeout.
I really love the research approach of your videos. Usually unbiased until the very end where you tell us where you stand and why.
more people need to get educated on MSG!
Literal facts.
well, here's one more ;)
Yes. Educated at to the harm. Read "The Taste that Kills."
This is incredibly interesting! It is odd though that, even though it's ultimately suggestive, Guga Foods had a completely different conclusion to MSG. In the video "I added MSG to everything and this happened," it was observed by three different people that adding MSG to things that already tasted good made them taste bette while adding it to things that tasted bad made them taste worse. Definitely not saying one is right and one is wrong but merely that the outcomes being different are interesting in terms of (non-scientific) subjectivity.
When he first tried it, my brother called MSG Meat Sugar Granules
I call it meat salt, cause that's what it tastes like
it tastes like salt i think your bro has dysgeusia
as a child born in 75 and loving chinese take out, kung fu and all things asian thru the 80s i actually remember my mom and others bringing up that i shouldnt eat allot of chinese food because of the msg and that study lol
"You can't have your Chinese food until you finish all your cigarettes"
@pat mckinzie OR maybe the most unhealthy people are the ones that seek diet/low-fat options
its normal in that day because theres no real study about it and ppl better avoid something they dont know to be safe
Yeah I also don't remember there being a whole lot of "anti-asian xenophobia" in my neck of the woods... and I grew up in the southern midwest. My parents just told me that American-ized Asian food was unhealthy, like every other over-indulgent carb-heavy Americanized restaurant food -- such as Americanized Italian food, Americanized Mexican food, Americanized American food...
Born in 74 and I remember my mom saying we had to cut back on Chinese food cuz of msg
I’ve been using a personal 1/3rd sea salt 2/3rd msg mix, ground black pepper, and chili powder mix to season almost any meat I eat for awhile now. I also use a small dash of the sea salt msg mix in rice I make as well. I’ve never seen any negative affects from it and am considered healthy by most doctors I’ve seen.
I really appreciate this video, and your channel has made me really think about food myself, instead of just accepting the things people say. I always thought MSG was a bad thing, but that's because I never thought twice about it and whenever people in my life are on a health kick they're always like "I don't eat Chinese food. All that MSG is horrible for you."
Always important to question where your opinions are coming from.
Too much of ANYTHING is bad for you, which should be pretty obvious. MSG is less dangerous to your health than the same amount of salt (assuming you're not allergic to gluten and glutamates).
Anyone that thinks MSG is bad for them, you should point out that Japanese people eat more MSG than anyone else, and they have close to the longest life expectancy in the world.
I lived in Japan for a year. MSG is a staple in my cabinet and I never tell guests if I've used it (although when I'm making japanese food I use dashi which has a lot of umami). They compliment the food and never complain. MSG gets too much heat and definitely should be more accepted in cooking.
You should probably tell your guests just in case someone is sensitive to it. My mother gets severe gastrointestinal distress from even small amounts within minutes. And it's not imaginary, I've tested for that. 🤓🍻
Uh, you should definitely tell people what you put in your food, there was just a guy in the comments talking about how he’s has seizures induced because of MSG
@@alsaunders7805 if you live in Japan you are you going to died 😂 don't tell pll in Japan to act white.
I think it’s just your guests are polite
Yeah and please warn you guest when you use salt and pepper in your food too, I once saw a guy in a youtube comment that claimed he was allergic to salt and he would definitely sue your sorry ass if you invited him over for dinner
9:48 "You wanna know what three grams of MSG looks like?"
Cuts to MSG: "Yeah. That's a lot. That's probably not what you're eating"
Me looking at an empty bowl of MSG popcorn: Huh
@@syaondri uh oh, he didn’t respond. fly high 🕊
Bro ppl dont even do that with salt like-
MSG popcorn ???!!! What is this abomination??
this video just reminded me of a recent interaction i had when getting some instant dashi. when paying for it i was asked if i was worried about the msg in the item since it was known for adding it. I just said "yeah, i wanted something savory to add to my soups and this is the easiest way to do it aside from pure msg or a paste which tends to be too strong for my liking, just the right amount of flavor" 🙂
My aunt used MSG in her restaurant. She called it magic salt. …lol… I miss that lady. She made excellent food. I should have paid more attention to what she tried to teach me. Dude, you could easily be a teacher. In a school. 🙄
He actually was a teacher. In a school
So, I think that the reason adding MSG to mushroom stock / tomato sauce has little effect is because the mushroom stock / tomato sauce already has a lot of naturally occurring umami flavor, whereas the tortilla chips you added MSG to don't.
I agree. I often use mushroom powder when cooking, but I just don't see the point of using it in spaghetti sauce because it won't change the flavor at all.
Coffee & Worcestershire sauce on the other hand DO add nice flavor to tomato sauce.
That’s the whole reason our bodies like glutamate. The foods that it’s in naturally are rich in nutrients that are rare in nature. Tomatoes, mushrooms, but especially red meat. Think about how many micronutrients are in those foods that aren’t in berries and cereals. So when you take that taste our bodies associate with “rare treat with lots of vitamins” and add it to empty calories, you get a dysregulated appetite. It’s not some insidious killer like leaded gasoline or asbestos, but the eating habits that cause obesity, Type 2 diabetes, and high blood pressure are killing people every day.
I thought that's his intended point
@@lastyhopper2792 Yup, that's exactly what he said later on.
That's what he said. Chips are tasteless.
So, is MSG safe to eat or not?
Adam: yesn't
Jed Chu lmaoo
The theme of his channel could be summed up in that one word.
Nice lol
Sure, obviously the conclusion was that just like with a lot of things, it's fine in moderation.
@@tigerzhua drinking too much water is called in the "professional world" as drowning
thanks for the knowledge, radam agusea.
My dad's on a low sodium diet and msg has less sodium than table salt so we use that when cooking (and still try to use it sparingly) and it's fine. It makes it easier to cut back on salt without killing flavor.
Tomatoes and mushrooms are two ingredients that already contain significant amounts of glutamate.
They're also usually absent in the American Chinese recipes where MSG is used. This was like emptying a bucket of water into a partially filled bath tub and then complaining that you didn't see much of a difference in the water level.
MSG works best in foods that contain little to none if it. If Doritos were made with plenty of real cheese powder they wouldn't need MSG.
It's just that they can use a tiny amount of actual cheese powder and then some much cheaper MSG and sodium to get close to a "more cheese" flavor profile.
Your natural glutamate sources argument is off base. Tomatoes have glutamates but far less than meat. MSG is primarily used in cooking to complement flavours of meat. It actually works really well with foods that are already extremely high in glutamates. Adam appears to be just not adding enough salt for MSG to shine in his chosen recipes.
@@l26wang Krawurxus is mostly right though. You're right that meat has much higher total glutamate content than tomatoes, but the majority of it is bound to proteins and bound glutamate contributes very little to taste. Free glutamate, which tomatoes are very rich in, is the one that contributes the most to flavour. In fact, meat can easily have much higher overall glutamate content than even parmesan cheese, but the latter has a much stronger umami flavour because it's full of free glutamates.
@@osamu_90 Good point!
_"What type of person would eat 3g of MSG..." Proceeds to dump 5g into spaghetti sauce because he can't taste it 😂_
While I recognize this is a joke, that was not even remotely close to 5 g. It was probably less than 1 g.
@@MrShagification Yea you're probs right, but i think the reason he can't taste it is because mushroom and tomatoes have MSG in them before you even add any so yea
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@@novinraushan8 i don't think they contain MSG ...
from what i understood from the video was they contain glutamate naturally
Would have wished you did a blind taste test. MSG with a bit of salt vs an equal amount of sodium.
In my mind if you think msg is bad because it makes food taste good, including "junk" food, then you should have the exact same issues with salt. And you should have the same issue with a japanese dashi broth, which is basically a "natural" msg extract, or tomoato or soy sauce. It would be like saying salt is bad but it is ok the use olives to season a dish -- you are still using salt, just the salt in the olive.
I doubt this will ever be seen but nonetheless, I love your content. You have sparked my desire to cook and learn. I’ve made it a habit to cook new foods for my gf and I including a lasagna with many tips you gave during yours. I love your exploration of the science behind foods and overall ability to just cook good foods. Thanks for your hard work and love for food.
I like your videos man, but seriously... you gotta learn how to actually *use* MSG before damning its usage as an ingredient.
"The taste is not immediately obvious when I add a sprinkle to [XYZ]". So... should we apply the same standard to bay leaves, or garlic? MSG, in small amounts, can add a subtle umami to things. It should stay in the backburner. Like salt, if the taste of the MSG is super obvious, you've added too much MSG.
I agree that in the USA there's been a cultural over-correction of sorts. Too many people out there view MSG as 'magical yummy powder' or 'super salt'. MSG has a place in your pantry next to the salt, the granulated sugar, and the white distilled vinegar. It's a pure taste that can help balance a dish. It is not magical yummy powder - it's a useful ingredient that can sit in a cupboard with other useful ingredients.
Use 1/8 tsp *max* per 300-400g of food. Do not expect it to fundamentally alter the taste - after all, that's not what you want. You want it to stay in the background, give a bit of depth to stuff with overly sharp flavors. Here's an alternative experiment for you: make some homemade blended hot sauce. Do so with Habaneros... *really* amp up the heat. Make it hot enough where you're saying to yourself "man, this's really uncomfortable". Then slowly start to add MSG to the sauce, see how well it rounds it out. There's a reason Sichuan food is chock to the brim with MSG, after all - there's nothing better to balance the heat of raw capsaicin.
In any event, thanks for doing your part in combating the "MSG is harmful" myth. But yeah... too much MSG on that chicken/chips man, that must've been gross as shit.
Chinese Cooking Demystified love your videos.
He literally added, MSG, into mushroom stock and tomato sauce, which have natural glutamic acid in it lol.
Man this is not an essay competition.
@@jadajames181 This comment reeks of "I'm too dumb to contribute to this discussion, know I am, and it makes me feel bad."
What do you mean?
MSG is great to have around but it's a fickle-ass ingredient when it comes to what it improves and what it doesn't. In scrambled eggs it's nuts, but I agree on the tomato sauce front. Tomatoes are already rich in glutamates so it seems almost redundant.
I someone to make a tutorial on how to make MSG at home. Then the grandmas will know it isn't some evil thing made in a chemistry lab (even though the kitchen is basically a chemistry lab)
@@vali_bg5234 It literally is made in a chemistry lab lmao, that doesn't make it bad.
Glutamic Acid - It Is Not MSG or Monosodium Glutamate
@@vali_bg5234 See adam's latest video on yeast extract. Yeast extract is rich in amino acids and inosinates, all flavour enhancers. Add a pinch of salt and done.
Can confirm Doesn't go well with curry, I tried it, I mean it was decent but........... The curry was probably better without it but other than that, it compliments well with spicy and sweet or even sour, never with tomatos in the mix
Your conclusions really echoes my experience. My family never use msg in the kitchen, neither do most Asian people I know, but I’ve never really considered why.
I find it interesting, too, that the one study mentioned a slight risk of adcersebeffects in those who have asthma. The original letter Adam showed mentioned the symptoms were similar tot hose experienced i the wroter's "salicylate sensitivity". Asthma, intolerance to aspirin, and...another thing I need to google exist as a well-documented triad of symptoms and have for decades. I wonder if it's just that subset of thenpopulatio that experiences problems with high amounts of MSG
My dyslexic ass read this as "MGS" and I was like "what's Adam's problem with Metal Gear Solid?"
He got payed by Konami to slander Kojima.
How far the mighty have fallen...
Adam reminds me of Otacon tbh
😂
Yeah not gonna lie, I thought the same
I was thinking Madison Square Garden. I've never even been to New York.
I don’t even have notifications I just felt youtube call my spirit
I get this too ngl
The true notifications were the friends we made along the way
what a good research and well put video, Great job!!!
I wholeheartedly agree with you! Firstly, it's been used in Asia for centuries; secondly, it's ridiculous how here in the U.S. it's vilified. And, thirdly, I've been using this for 35+ years and I can taste the difference when I use it (brings out natural flavors of food - especially meats). Lastly, why pay $2.99 for "Accent" (for a small amount) - I buy a bag (1-2 lbs) at any Asian market for $1.99 -$3.99 - it doesn't go bad.
One thing that was missed here is mentioning the use of MSG in vegan foods. It works really well to add depth to foods if you're avoiding adding animal products to your food.
If you don't consider a product of bacteria to be an animal product, but I assume vegans don't, because if they did they literally couldn't eat anything.
so like meat but without the healthy energy strong nutrients
Adam uploads while I’m in school
*I can retake this course next year*
What if he uploads during school next year as well?
What if he also uploads next year?
Buggin
I wish this was less relatable.
@Adam Ragusea , My hilarious observation: You were literally adding MSG to tomato sauce and mushroom stock, both of which are literally the highest vegetable/fungal sources of glutamate. Of COURSE you aren't going to notice a difference! How do you not know this?
@Marc Carran To taste buds, yes, they are the same.
Whoops, wrong video. Was looking for the other great Japanese creation, MGS (Metal Gear Solid) but still attended your lecture. Great vid as always 👍
You are incredibly articulate and precise with what you want to say and how you get it across. There's no BS 3 minute intro, you don't ever sway off track, and you don't leave cliff hangers for the final minute to enhance watch time. I find that extremely admirable, as UA-camrs like you are far and few between. Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your style, almost as much as I appreciate YOU. Thanks for the quality content, as always :D
Pankohh keep licking his boots
Chris Nemat Lmfaoo let him compliment
@@chrisnemat the fuck is your problem
I spent almost thirty years of my life as a chef and I would use MSG. ... ... However, I used it as a supplement to salt to help bring out the flavor of the food without it tasting too salty.
Dr. Mike had a really good take on this, I'll probably butcher it, but the overall theme was, whenever someone says that they felt really terrible after having MSG, his question to them was, "Oh, you made your own healthy meal and added MSG to it and felt bad afterwards?"
And their response being something along the lines of "Well, no, I had 2 dozen egg rolls."
i have poorly controlled asthma and cook with it regularly with no issue.
if its going to work for a food it usually doesn't take much, and works best when used with salt.
there are lots of things that taste terrible with msg too, like coffee.
I experimented a bit when i got my first jar.
It's pretty interesting stuff
3:45 I mean, there is a natural alternative to vaping; it's called tobacco.
Honestly if cigarettes were only tobacco and menthol they would probably have less health risks than vaping
Would be great if the companies selling them didn't froth at the mouth figuring out how to make them as deadly and addictive as humanly possible.
Loli Hitler and if we didn’t burn the Tobacco but used a dry herb vaporizor, i could see that. But burning the plant, i see no way it could be healthier than a vaporized product. Unless that vaporized material is something like Azidoazide Azide...
@@lolihitler4198 Uh what? The harmful effects of smoking come from either the tobacco or are biproducts of burning tobacco.
I really love this comment
Fantastic episode again. Your studies oozes perfectionism, and thoroughness in getting into the right research material, and content.
Hey Adam, I have watched a handful of your videos and I enjoy them! I noticed you were eating Tilapia and cauliflower rice. Have you looked into Tilapia as a healthy fish? I have heard more and more that they are fed garbage and the ones we buy from supermarkets are all farm raised and not healthy. I think that would be a good video to make.
Your videos are amazing, I love you!
My life philosophy has always been "everything in moderation," and this video further proves that point.
Everything in moderation, even moderation. Time for another beer
"with enough salt in it to attract wandering deer out of the woods" I love you Adam!
"starch-based packing peanut" your analogies are amazing.
Growing up, I was only ever told MSG made you crave more of the foods it was mixed with. I was never told about the origin story or the other reported health effects. So to summarize your video, MSG doesn't really have negative health effects (except for a small percentage of people), is generally safe for daily consumption, but it likely does cause us to eat more of the foods it is mixed with. Pretty much confirmed what I learned 20 years ago.
But any good cooking skill cause people to eat more food too?
Do we intentionally make our food taste bad so that we can eat less?
@@howareyou4400 I think there is a difference between making incredibly tasty food that people love and want to come back and eat again and again, and adding a chemical whose singular purpose is to boost cravings.
On one hand you have people making choices, on the other you are taking that choice away.
It’s the classic dilemma, if you could make people fall in love with you, then how would you ever know if they are with/love you truly or because you made them? And then worse, you took their will away and inserted yours.
That makes you a monster.
@@OriginalFrozenJoe You claim there is a difference, but what exactly is it?
@@howareyou4400 I listed the differences in my reply. 🤷♂️
@@howareyou4400 Make an amazing product that people love = good
Make a mediocre product, but add a thing that tricks people into loving your product = bad
This applies everywhere. Just make a good product - don’t cheat your way to success.
Love your videos!
**THE CHINESE DISHES WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION**
No this video is about msg not dogs
yaboipatrick r/woooosh
@@yaboipatrick Dude grow up it's 2020. We're making fun of Bat Soup now.
@@literallyjustin4829 by woooshing him you have just woooshed yourself
@@literallyjustin4829 bro you just wooooshed someone bro thats so funny haha fellow redditor, i tip my hat!
Wait, so "MSG bad" is a boomer meme?
Acedons ye
The profile picture fits the question, i likes
Eating bat and dog is bad tho
yup. Boomers are dumb and racist garbage
@@CodeCombine they ate snakes too?
Wow, thanks for the info. 🥰
Great video. Just questioning the tilapia you chose for your workout meals. I would like to think you’ve researched Tilapia too as this has gotten quite the bad rep in the past several years. Is this not as bad a fish as we think?
So let me get that straight. A peer-reviewed, scientific *MEDICAL* journal decides to dedicate a whole section for its contributors to make pranks and inside jokes on food, health, and medical issues, without any disclaimers?
What could possibly go wrong...
It's a journal for experts, it seems they all knew that section was a forum-type thing. The problem there seems to be the same one we see now - lay persons reading scientific journals without the knowledge\care to fully understand what they read, and the resulting misinformation
Inside jokes and contrived areas of research are a very common thing in any kind of forum made by experts and for experts. The sections where these are written are not explicitly dedicated for such jokes, but have a lower level of rigor applied to the things posted there, which allows jokes to get through next to the genuine - a distinction that the experts who the paper is printed for would easily be able to make. The danger comes when uninformed people read a scientific journal without knowing what they're talking about.
What could possibly go wrong?
The anti-vaxxer movement is an example.
@@JoseRivera-ym3wj last time I checked the Wakefield paper was not published as a letter to the editor
I know a “Nacho Cheese” Doritos ingredient list when I see it.
Keen eye of a true connoisseur. The keen eye is probably from the benefits of the orange color of the Doritos . Carrots are orange and good for your eyes so you don't have to be a science doctor to see the correlation there .
CandE.Adventures lol
Such a great video!
I wish it was easier to trust the various scientific studies conducted by interested parties. Somehow they almost always seem to support exactly what you'd expect based on who is conducting them. And that goes for everything not just MSG. Thanks for the breakdown though, nice to hear reasonableness in the midst of everything out there.
Edit: had a mouthful of coffee at the finale, damn you Adam.
I love how you refer to the conversation in the journal as the reddit of old, that makes so much sense, lol.
what a genuinely brilliant video, for real, ive watched this more than 3 times now, im a chef of 12 years, from scotland, i like to think that im quite clued up when it comes to dietry stuff, but when i see your videos i get humbled, well done mate, i love learning. you love teaching, and youre good at it. =)
MSG is incredible. I put it in almost everything I cook now and it enhances the flavor so much, I can always tell when it is missing. The dish is just missing something, the MSG gives it that little something, just makes you want to keep eating it.
I believe msg generally is fine in moderation, but in my personal experience- as someone with chronic migraine- I do think it tends to trigger migraines if I have a large amount. They feel distinct from my other migraines- like my brain is trying to bust out of my skull. It feels like a pressure in my head.
Same. Small amounts, people. MSG is easy to overdo.
My favorite use for msg is putting it on my vegetables, particularly broccoli. I find I can easily eat 2-3 cups of broccoli every day for WEEKS when I add msg, but I get incredibly tired of it without msg in about 2-3 days.
Really? I love broccoli
Uhh, try it with butter and garlic.
Not so healthy but ranch or cheddar cheese sauce.
*UNCLE ROGER: MSG ON BABY MAKES BETTER BABY*
Makes baby smarter.
yoonsu
@@poggers9454 hm who is u
but in case for babies / infant age, if you keep give them flavourful foods, they usually would avoid eating nutritious food that the taste not as strong/tasty as they often eat. that can be a health problem and headache for parent
You really like those left and right swipe transition cuts and edits don't ya
I've been cautious of MSG ever since I was a kid (I'm 21). Always had my mum asking if the things I wanted from the grocery store or restaurants we wanted to go to had MSG in it.
She just gets migraines after eating it is all. I wanna buy some and eat it though
An actual sensitivity to msg is probably about as a common as an actual gluten allergy… I’ve worked in restaurants and bakeries for decades and I can honestly say I’ve only met maybe 2 people with actual gluten allergies and even fewer people that actually have sensitivity to msg. But boy are there a lot of people that claim they are sensitive to everything… of course they turn around and eat things without asking and they’re like this is delicious, and I’m like, hey aren’t you supposed to be “allergic” to that? It’s mostly in people’s heads.