Cheap Sound Quality Car PART 9 - Midbass Installation in Kicks - 4way Active SQ System
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2022
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Every man and his dog has seen a mid fitted into a door so taking the time to do the IB install and document it here is the best thing you could have done as for a lot of us we didnt know that something like that was possible. Anyone seeing this should watch the whole 9 episodes as its a great guide, and tutorial in how to get a great sounding stereo for a reasonable price. I do understand that cutting the car will put a lot of people off but it shouldn't as it really isn't as bad as it looks.
GUYS TRUST ME . SIGN UP TO HIS PATREON . like peter said you will learn so much !
the formula to milk shake?
Omg every time I think about an sq car I think about earls bmw. So funny you brought that up. That car was on another level. I actually had the honor to sit in that car in the drivers seat. He ran a looney toons cartoon demo and the road runner ran right across the dash. It was mind blowing.
Do you know about precision mike if not search UA-cam for
carmiza introduction
Master fabrication is never boring
I love watching pros work
Great job guys
Love this content Peter thank you. I keep preaching this IB method in the kicks for the best SQ. No rattles in the door and amazing low end that I didnt get in doors.
How did you find the additional road noise?
I love your videos man, I wish people under sound quality more,
I'm not fully sq myself but I love SQL
This was fantastic- highly considering this for my personal, possibly for subwoofer too. Love it
dont know how I Havent seen this channel yet. great work !!
Now you can watch 350 videos to catch up! 😃
I had a demo yesterday. Thanks Pete.
I was wondering should I do IB or sealed boxes in front. After what I heard, I will do IB.
Absolutely mind blowing result!
I don't care about potential issues like road noise, moisture etc.
It is worth!
You’ll have issue with none of that! Check if the wheel arch have plastic liner outside or not.
I think you Do Amazing work 👍👍
Some people want everything for free.
You guys do amazing work. Hopefully someday I can get to hear one of your cars.
You're an inspiration with my future build
I don’t know why every one gives you a hard time about the way you mount the mid bass. But what your doing is nothing new. But when I was in high school I remember reading a car audio magazine article in study hall. The article was talking about someone that built a 93 or 94 Cadillac Eldorado. A brand new car at the time. Any how, he mounted 2 12” Diamond Audio pro Audio mid bass in the kicks the way you did except the cone faced you instead of the magnet. Made a custom painted grill to hide them. If I remember right it was either 5-1/4 or 6-1/2 in the dash and horn compression tweeters under the dash. He used 10” mid bass installed in the rear side panels don’t remember what those where and 6-1/2 and tweeters in the rear deck. For SQ competition he used a 10” Infinity Kappa mounted in a metal box installed flush mount in the passenger floor just in front of the seat hidden by the floor mat. For Spl competition there was a separate subwoofer system activated by a hidden toggle switch in the center console. In those days they where pushing the sale of this material called MATT. It was some kinda mesh screen material that was mounted to the back of a subwoofer box 📦 that was built just barely bigger than the subwoofer it’s self. This guy cutt out the whole center of that structure panel and brace that was right behind the rear seat. Then he made a baffle panel and mounted it with screws and windshield glue inside the car. He installed 4 12” Infinity Kappas ,gutted all the foam out of the rear seat to promote more air flow. In the trunk he made a frame some where around 6 to8” deep then put this MATT material on the back. Then to cover up the ugly he made a baffled panel and flush mounted the cross overs and full range amps. Under the rear deck he made what looked like a dresser styled with 2 motorized drawers that rolled in and out by remote. Each drawer held 1 of the subwoofer amps flush mounted and fans installed on the back of the drawers The Cadillac emblem he put on the front of that rack made it look really unique. I remember this article so well cause at the time I was really into Infinity Audio. But Also that install was so out rages so crazy yet when stealth mode other that the Alpine head unit, you couldn’t hardly tell there was an audio system in the car and there was lots of trunk space. With the factory tinted windows you couldn’t see the deck any way. You would think that the way he cut that car up, it would be a weakened piece of Swiss cheese 🧀. Yet the car maintained structural integrity and it passed the safety inspection was tagged and insured. This guy had a daily driver brand new car cut all to hell to make way for this wild ass in stall did nothing but take home trophies. During sound quality compilation this guy played classical or orchestra music 🎶 in those days cars where stolen quite often just for the audio systems so stealth installs was the name of the game. They guy was praised in the article for cutting up a brand new car. A Cadillac at that. It took serious balls to just hack away. Personal I think that anyone giving you a hard time, is only doing it cause they are scared to do it them selves.
my ¨spl¨/ SQL car was about £2600 or about €3100 and when i bought all the gear in my car #b2audio
and i was thinking i got to a really good price, (my girlfriend doesn't think the same way )
really liking your videos and looking forward to se all your crazy installs and builds
I enjoyed that, very good ! will make a point of listening to the car when i come down :)
Dangerous as always! 😃🤣
@@pssound9749 who cares, ive been saving, lol but of course as always haha, save me a parking space ;)
Peter. Great job buddy
Hey, 14 k ... congrats dude
Mmmmmmm......have to look at my ute. 4 way front stage.....definitely have rattles on the doors even with 4 sheets of deadening, think it's from the window cables 'twanging'. It is my forever car and yes here in Australia the rules are pretty strict about cutting. 🤔🤔😁
Sound quality all the way.
Thank you.
I cant see myself cutting my baby up. And as I was watching you make that hole I was wondering about road noise too, so nice of you to address it. I'm gonna have to stay in the doors, though.. I'm sure it will be an absolute joy anyway.
It’s a common topic. I personally would not cut up a vehicle for IB…It would have to be a car that the customer uses for competition and no plans for selling. I prefer the location for mid-bass drivers in the kicks if room is available. I have heard really nice installs with midbass in the doors. But it’s a risk if not reinforced and installed correctly. IB is excellent for SQ and high sensitive drivers. Best of luck and God Bless..
I agree with a lot of what's being said in this video,but as a master installer/fabricator myself I'd have to say doing the midbass in the kicks and cutting your car is not the best option at all. It was said putting midbass in the doors and having no rattles is not possible...100 percent not true at all. And there are ways to put the divers in the kicks in that same location without cutting the car ( vehicle depending) and depending on the drivers you use etc. cutting the vehicle and putting drivers in the kicks absolutely does not guarantee you the best possible sound quality..sorry but that 100 percent b.s . I've been been in the industry 25 plus years building SQ, SPL, and everything in between an around and I promise you there are better and easier ways to get an amazing SQ set up.
@@michaelpalmisano7010where you you vent for the mb in kicks with no space for sealed? Vent into dash or aperoidic?
Definitely buying something cheap to drive and you don’t care about makes a system easier to get to a pinnacle of performance 😎 I did that one as Peter well knows! 🙃
That’s the proper way for 🔊🔊💪🤘🔊😃
it's true!
Thanks Peter
Nice work Peter. Reminds of the E class mid bass install…
That was a sealed application though by factory, but in certain ways it’s very similar.
Very good job explaining the Theory of why have Average! Bang On Peter! ja ja ja OORAH Semper Fi and Can Do
Nice job
awesome trim rings
I feel your pain. People don't always understand the fact THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH. I'm not afraid to cut or permanently alter vehicles and most people I've done work for aren't scared either. (Untill they know the cost)
So true so true I was thinking about that BMW
Only certain cars I would do midbass in the doors. Todays cars, the doors are built like tin cans. If you're ever needing sub bass performance from a midbass driver for whatever reason, try the Audiofrog GB60 if you have not. I got an in-car IB response down to 38hz and they love it and sound excellent. Surprisingly, these things have 9mm 1-way linear Xmax.
Interessante nesse acabamento q eles acabam cortando própria lataria do carro
@10:50 Tool Tips? What tool did you use to start the round section? It looks like you switched and finished off with a jigsaw?
I have $1,730 US in mine, but I plan on investing more.
Appreciate you sharing your work as always!
And he used tube driver amps, I remember that Install
Ever since you’ve shown the mid-bass speaker IB installs in the kicks, I wish I had the time and energy to try it.
I installed my 3-way mid-bass driver in door factory locations, added pvc panels to “enclose” the door cavity, plus strategic sound deadening, and I still get rattles that annoy me in delicate songs… it’s a never ending battle trying to fix these rattles.
You guys have amazing solutions🙌🏼
do the kick and join the tribe
ib king:)
hello bro. please tell me that which capacitor is used with microprecision 5.20 tweeter for play them active
Been going through all your videos after seeing you guys at NY500 I have a t4 and want to know where is the best place for my front mids?
Can i use just one midbass but two midrange , two tweeters abd one subwoofer?
Would be cool if yall had merch for sale
I would love to do an IB midbass setup in my current build (1993 Chevy Indy Pace Truck). My concern is the music's sound level outside the vehicle, either when driving around or when doing a demo. I would love to see a video of what the car sounds like from the outside at demo levels, with doors closed and windows up. With a single cab pickup, space is at a premium and doing IB would make a HUGE difference.
I agree
As the midbass is only doing 60-200Hz range, the kickbass outside is not much louder than a midbass in a door.
@@pssound9749 that was my thinking. Now, if I can just figure out where to find your "rain guard" here in the US.
@@bugman72Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. Never heard of it before. Is this used in building houses?
Its simply protective speaker grill foam for PA speakers.
I have $30 silver flutes and $40 vifa silk dome and an 80prs and it sounds so good.
Do you know how to use REW with the umik-1?
Yes, that’s what we use.
Can you please post link to the rainguard foam you use would love to try this
You can get it on eBay
Yeah that system is not expensive at all. My set has focal flax 3 way active, arc audio arc 1000.6, helix mkII Pro processor, and sub and amp and parts on that system is like 4k usd.
Being that the cone is facing down, are these midbass drivers wired out of phase? Thanks
Yes, opposite polarity.
Like usual, a delight to watch. But why not placing the grill with the fenders upward? The wheel is throwing mud down to up. I bet those vents get some mud from the road 🤔
Not worrying about moisture on the speakers..because that.s no problem..the door is like a pool sometimes 🤣 but just for the idea of getting mud overthere between the fins
Hi,
We have no mud here, but rather lots of rain and that would flow down and straight behind the louvre the way you’d do it.
@@pssound9749 yeah water would find a way for sure if stay too long in a convex shape
It would be interesting to see if you can build an underseat enclosure and speaker combo that will work better than the Focal, that would fit under most seats.
While driving, the mid bass speaker that plays inside the car will be louder because of the wind that pushes it inside the car. Won't there be resistance when the membrane returns because of the resistance of the wind while driving. In ib
Wind doesn’t push anything in the wheel well.
Micro-Precision 5.16 midbass, looks like the Steg Q65c midbass
I just ordered a set of Q65C. I will be installing midbass in deadened doors unfortunately, but am looking forward to see how they perform. Hopefully decent as my doors are "closed" with no big holes in them.
@@adyandrey23andrey I dont have Q65c yet, but i heard they are super amazing.
Im planning even to create home speakers using the kit.
I have Steg sg650c in my car, with deadned doors and the kit is amazing even with cheap amp, everyone is amazed after hearing them after the proper time correction, cant wait to hear them when i purchase steg k4 01 or k4 02 and run them active
Did you have any pictures of the midbass installation once completed?
Hi Mark,
Thumbnail of this video shows it or we have pictures shared on the Pssound Fb page. Click on photos -> see all albums -> scroll down to Suzuki.
Yes, probably we’ll need an update on this system on UA-cam. ✌️
36:08 €2500 is very fair for a budget system considering all the gear went into the vehicle. The real investment, or price, will be installation time and tuning I would imagine?
Around €1500 retail value for mine, can't find what the Helix B4 would've cost. Though still missing the midbass drivers.
Still have to figure out a midbass solution so I am very thankful for these videos and will be subscribing to your patreon as time, budget but mostly weather allows me to do the install. Thank you Peter.
Most of it is second handed gathered cheap over the last 5 years as budget allowed, €970 spent on the gear from my own pocket.
Might have to purchase the HEC module adding another €120 as I'm unable to measure in REW with a chinese BT to S/PDIF receiver.
Peiying PY-1K76D connected to 2 Focal P30F's
Helix B4 connected to OEM speakers wired active, Focal 100CV in dash soon™
Helix DSP Mini
Focal Solid 2 connected to the midbass, eventually
And once budget allows I will be upgrading the DSP to an 8 or 10 channel model to run the 100cv active on the B4 and Solid 2 dedicated to midbass, possibly a center channel on the dash. The 6channel DSP will make its way to my home office 👍
When installing the mids inverted, do you have to reverse the polarity? Since they are facing the opposite way.
Yes, you do that, indeed.
Me gustan mucho sus instalaciones me gustaría traducción en castellano gracias
Es posible que necesite un traductor que pueda escribir el guión o, alternativamente, puede usar el micrófono en la aplicación de traductor de Google.
@@pssound9749 Muy agradecido por su disposición intentaré buscar lo qué usted me a comentado soy gran admirador de sus trabajos y valoró su profesionalidad llevo 30 años en el mundillo del car audio y tengo mucho material en casa un saludo.
K da hora o acabamento
Hi Peter! Have you ever thought to milkshake a whole door?😉 I wonder what result it would produce..
Doesn’t matter until you have moving parts in the door…
Uma dúvida ai porque cortar a lataria do carro, alguém poderia explicar melhor ?
Hey Peter, when you sealed up the primary cover in the wheel well with the hot glue gun, I noticed it’s black. What’s the product used? I know auto body seam sealer will work well.
It doesn’t have a name/brand, it’s just an “industrial” hot glue. What you mentioned can work perfectly well too.
Woot
I ordered some “PA speaker grill” and it didn’t work. I tried to pour water some water on it and it went right thru it 😢
If you poor water on any hydrophobic layer directly on right angle, they’ll all let water flow through, otherwise they would let air through either.
Their purpose is to direct water splash and vapour to flow down on their surface. You need a louvre on the outside of the foam in a location like a wheel well like in this install to deal with the direct water hit, then the foam deals with the rest that may penetrate.
Pete - would you be willing to consult me on my build? Do you offer that service?
Hi, Patreon Tier 4. is for that service. 👍
What year is this Suzuki Swift?
2009
well, for this suzuki ib kicks seems most cheap best solution. only guess why i dont do it, we have heavy winter and all the road noise comes thru that speaker
Watch the end of the video, it’s explained what comes through.
@@pssound9749 sure. Its all about the car what kind of inner fender there is. If theres room you can even add more damping. Im not worrying cutting the car. Still, id rather pull whole dash out, modify and use 5"-6" PA coaxial on sealed enclosure. But its just me. Aint cars like E39 bmw which has lots of space behind front wheel? possible ib kick mid, but dash is easy to take out too.
My 2 way active with 2 subs ran abt 2k in gear, and I consider it a budget system. Id say 3 and under in equipment (not install) is still budget.
About money , i think 2.5 k in a sound system can look to much but av seen people spend more an have a really bad result doing themself.
So for my thought it’s a reasonable price if the result it’s in a great sound system.
for me it’s rta and eq settings the limit .
I have $3500 in mine and, although it's the nicest sounding system I've had, I wouldn't call it a SQ setup. I'm just using the very limited DSP built into my head unit on 2 ways in factory locations with passive tweets. I've deadened the crap out of everything and I still have plenty of resonance that drives me nuts. I'd call €2500 a bargain for sure, but is that counting the time and materials you've put into installation?
i'm pretty sure its just the price of the equipment. if i remember correctly, peter charges around 100.- an hour.
Alex i wish i could charge that!! 🤦🏻♂️😃
@@pssound9749 $150 an hour is pretty standard in the US I'm pretty sure. I haven't looked too hard into it because I do it myself.
@@jbisit420 150 an hour is Europe then nobody would come to your shop 😂
Is steg the best?
There is no such thing as best, but best installation for the right driver.
You should stop with this instalation of midbas as I do not want to cut my car. Anyway tomorrow I will check if I have enough space in footwell :)
Nice install but what about the wind force will that affect the performance of the cone movement and while driving on rainy days on water logged areas water won’t go inside the drivers?
You didn't watch the video until the end? Peter explained it thoroughly.
I love your woofers/mid bass in the kicks but its not practical if I have to drive through inches or water on a regular. For someday of us it’s not practical. Maybe someday I’ll have a car that I won’t have to drive in shitty weather.
I am curious how much does it cost that "cheap" system?
£2400 in equipment & ~ £600 in materials.
This is super interesting, and in many ways easier than a decent door installation. Once you’ve worked up the courage to cut your car open😅 I’m contemplating trying this in my ‘09 Saab 9-3, the doors of which are hopeless for speaker installation . It has plastic inner wheel wells though, and the drivers would be firing pretty much straight into those. Does the Suzuki have plastic inner wells? If so, did you have problems with them rattling?
Also, if you live in a cold country, where temperatures regularly hit -10°C and lower, would that have major effects on the response and behavior of the driver?
Not sure about this sort of fitting ....as for speakers getting wet inside doors your obviously refering to german cars by far worse for leaking water in to car....
Every car door gets water in it, some worse then others. There are designed for it. Take out the speak after a rainy dail and look/feel inside at the bottom.....you will see moisture.
Where is your shop lads?🙌
East Sussex UK.
Have you seen the rebuild going on of Earls red BMW?! search CarMiZa
Yes, i’ve seen pics.