Love my H-40 Powermatic, it's the most accurate automatic I own. The relative lack of smoothness to the second hand never has bothered me. Btw, as of 2020, the rotor has been slightly redesigned. Hamilton has changed "H" cutout to the more stylized, retro logo, and I personally think it looks much cooler now than the plain H shown in this video.
Great comparison. I'll take the Powermatic 80 in this case. I've owned watches with the 28xx-2 that ran great , but my little Tissot with the Powermatic is my most accurate watch to date. I have enough watches that the 80hr power reserve is also nice to have. Again, great comparison.
My H10 runs +/- 2 SPD but my H40 runs -6, so I still think it's luck of the draw when a watch is not COSC certified. Either way, they are both extremely consistent and no matter how I place the H40 at night, it's always -6 SPD.
I like the smooth sweep too. I don’t own a Hamilton, but the Powermatic 80 in my lovely new Certina DS Action 38mm diver continues to give me less than a one-second gain every day, which I REALLY like!
I wish they would make a 2.5Hz option, for ultimate power reserve, and so that the second hand is hitting every sub-second register accurately. It's also historically a popular beat frequency.
@@clear9249 hi, I have recently started googling about this movement. Could you please tell more details about how this is not servicable movement? It is hard for me to believe that the movement will be thrown away! Also, how does the powermatic get regulated if this part of the movement is removed? Thanks!
The problem here is the Powermatic 80 can not be regulated , it is factory set and can only be fixed at the Tissot Service Center by replacing the balance wheel assy. The standard caliber may be fixed by any watchmaker for a regular fee.
I just now gave my husband the Powermatic 80. He's a back country guide in the high mountains here in Colorado. The extended power reserve is a plus for him. Due to the nature of the adventures he leads in the mountains, adventures which would not suit wearing a watch, it's wonderful the watch has the 80-hour power reserve out in the wild.
So I don’t understand your comment. Does your husband were a watch on his outdoor trips or not? I find it strange to be a leader and not refer to a watch. And if he wears a watch on his trips, he does not need to wind it up. So I don’t understand your logic here.
Thank you for this, as I have a Khaki Field King and didn't know that there where two versions. I'm happy to know that I have the Powermatic version, as this should require servicing at longer intervals, due to its lower beat rate.
The H-10 Powermatic movement in my Khaki Field Auto runs at +4 a day. Owning so many Seiko watches with 21,600 BPH movements (7S26, 4R36, 6R15), I don't find the 3 Hz movement in the Hamilton to be that noticeable. For me, it's all about the watch itself and these Hamiltons are quite attractive.
I just purchased the khaki field auto with the silver dial a couple of months ago and I absolutely love it. Since you have had yours for so long, can I ask if you have sent yours for service? Do you know if it´s possible to purchase the movement? Thank you so much
@@santiguierrez Hi. Purchasing an H-10 Powermatic movement would be fairly difficult because Swatch Group limits that supply the watches within the brands (Hamilton, Certina, Tissot) exclusively. If one could find a watchmaker who is certified to order parts through their supply system then it might be possible, but that would be a challenge as most watchmakers are protective of their status and would only order it if they performed the replacement themselves. As for my experience, I’m afraid I sold the watch a few months after I posted the original reply, so I don’t have anything to report.
The reason I buy automatic is I love the second hand being so smooth on some models . If I want power reserve I wear my solar protek when I go camping.
@@CC-yq5bw Accuracy-wise a mechanical watch doesn't make sense at all. But the smooth sweep is what makes mechanical watches so much more charming and beautiful than quartz watches, that's why they're still around.
thanks for this comparison. Being relatively new to buying watches of any consequence, this was an issue that came up during my search for a watch. I was persuaded to buy a watch with a higher beat rate; in this case, it was the ETA 2824-2. Being a second or 2 more accurate and a larger power reserve is not really a big deal to me... having a smoother second hand is. I guess it all comes down to personal preference, but the classic movement appeals to me more. Great job as always, Bruce.
Bruce, u're a saviour. I'm torn between Tissot gentleman powermatic 80 and Tissot visodate heritage automatic, and you gave the answer. Since i rotate wearing my watches on daily basis, the power reserve isn't my priority coz it might take weeks before i wear one again. Thus, the smooth sweeping second hand is my preference. Thanks Bruce.
My Hamilton with the Powermatic 80 movement is dead on accurate without any deviation from the atomic clock if worn everyday. The power reserve is great and seems like an upgrade from the old movement. But I do miss the smoother sweep of the 4 Hz beating.
Giang Vu that’s BS. Atomic clock levels of accuracy with cogs and springs? Sure... Even my new generation 3235 Rolex movement in my Datejust 41 is +1s/day and 70 hours power reserve which is the state of the art for a mechanical.
Although the sweep of the seconds hand is nicer on the ETA movement with it's 4Hz frequency, it's also more prone to wear in comparison to the 3Hz frequency of the Powermatic 80. Therefore the ETA is more likely to cost more in terms of servicing.
Pro and cons, but dont worry about service costs, they don't need servicing anything like as often as the manufacturers say. Most people never have a watch serviced and they go on for ever. I have my dads old Rotary from the 1970s and it still goes like new, never touched.
The difference in wear is only 25% max. Don't dramatise over it. However most of deterioration comes actually from the lubricants getting old and not how many times the thing swings. So please.... get real.
@@philspencelayh5464 One thing is however true: almost all modern movements get come without only minimal lubrication from the factory. Frequently even the main barrel isn't lubricated.
@@johndavolta3124 It is not average powermatic 80, Hamilton's H series of movements are closer to traditional ETA in terms of many things, H movements usually have non synthetic parts unlike entry level powermatic 80s.
I have the new Hamilton field automatic with the H10 movement . I could not find the older one with the ETA 2824-2 . Still i am very happy with the one I have . ( I got 16 % off at a authorized dealer ) Good video thanks .
Bruce, there's another advantage to the new powermatic 80. With the lower beat rate it will extend the service interval that one would expect which will reduce the overall cost of ownership. If you're looking for a sweeping second hand go to a Bulova precisionist where their movement is accurate to within ten seconds a year.
I haven't seen the Bulova but the Grand Seiko spring drive is the smoothest sweep I've seen in person. Smoother sweep than an electric wall clock. But, we're talking 5x the price of most Hamiltons I own.
Obviously, we're not in the same league of a Grand Seiko Spring Drive, just as smooth "Bulova’s unique three-prong quartz crystal Precisionist movement with a 262 kHz vibrational frequency-eight times greater than standard watches" You can pick them up for under $500.
Never decide before having a powermatic movement on any brand, i had a tissot couturier with powermatic 80, at first days of owning the watch that 80 hours looked like a magic to me but when you try to use it once in 2 days nothing makes it more special than a classic eta then you and your lower beating remain, just like having a seiko 5! Friends, visibility is important, what you see is important! so stay with your classic eta movement and be happy, i am happy as i have sold my boring powermatic 80 ;)
One way to think of the new Hamilton H series (H-40), is that, being free-sprung, it is like a Rolex with it's Microstella adjustment, and other luxury level timepieces, (Patek)-The Hamilton being similarly adjustable, not un-adjustable as some contend.
I am a watch collector with considerably more than 100 watches in my collection, is 80 hours reserve going to enough? dont think so, what I do appreciate is the more even sweep and the adjustability of the older movement and potentially greater accuracy. When it comes to servicing the 80 hour reserve watches good luck finding a local watchmaker who will be happy to do them and in 50 years time when all my classic vintage watches are ticking along fine where will the 80 hour unadjustable version be?......................
I have to say that "Swiss Made" on the dial means far less after the MoonSwatch than it did before. For me hi-beat is going to win out every time. Power reserve having no bearing on anything much. I recently had a problem with my left elbow and struggled with a bone infection for several months, the upshot of this was that for the first time I realised my lack of movement wasn't inputting enough energy to wind the movement, at the same time I realised that for a regular person 38 hour reserve is adequate. I'm quite happy to wind and set whichever watch I choose for the day. I guess if you have 2 or 3 pieces it's more of a concern.
I have the H-40 Khaki. It's amazing. Not to be confused with Tissot powermatic 80. That regulator used a silicone hair spring. Hamilton does not, there is a difference in that the regulating operation system on the Tissot powermatic is that it's done internally H-40 is Hamilton's power reserve system.
The lower 21600 beat rate of the Powermatic is the same rate used by the Royal Oak and a ton of Patek watches. It’s clearly not a big deal and the longer power reserve and less wear and tear more than outweigh the slightly aesthetic advantage of a smoother sweep
There is one more key difference between them... POWERMATIC 80 movements are completely machine made and they are NOT easily serviceable, if something goes wrong with the movement then you need to send the watch to the TISSOT manufacturing facility to repair or replace the movement which may cost more than half of the watch's price !..... but CLASSIC ETA movements have a bit of hand craftmanship and they are easy and inexpensive to repair...
My local watchmaker told me he just needs to order one new tool, easily serviceable although now the modular parts make replacing things marginally more expensive
With a Day/Date compilation power reserve is a major plus unless it’s a daily wear. Resetting the Day/Date doesn’t take long but could be mitigated with a longer static shelf life. The seconds hand smoother sweep is a very minor aesthetic thing which is barely noticeable even in macro. The lack of anti reflective coating is a minus, surely a decent movement warrants such an inexpensive upgrade to the sapphire glare. Overall you can’t go far wrong - is it true that a lower beat frequency means longer service intervals? I guess there’s less wear and tear going on at 3Hz in the Powermatic. Overall both decent watches but I’d opt for the longer shelf life as I tend to rotate my modest collection. Both give decent accuracy as you’d expect from ETA. I have a low end Miyota movement in a beater Rotary watch which gives about +7s/day which isn’t bad for a cheap watch which I bought at 55% discount. Check out the Rotary Cambridge folks, I think this is excellent bang for the buck.
I'm surprised so many people in the comments care only about the power reserve. I own a 2824 Khaki and returned a Powermatic Khaki. I love the sweep hand on the 2824 and I like that I can regulate the time myself. An 80 power reserve is not a big deal because I either wear a watch every day, or a rotate my watches enough that a Powermatic would be run down the next time I'd wear it anyway. 2824-2 for the win!
Why would you be surprised if majority of people prefer the power reserve over the smooth sweep? When it comes to "function over form", majority of people will actually prefer "function". A characteristic that is useful is and should always be preferred and chosen. The "smooth sweep" is aesthetically better but functionally a downside.
If accuracy and power reserve is more important than sweep action then buy the quartz version, I personally prefer the higher beat rate, the reason to buy automatics is for the sweep action. I actually own the older version with the 2836, the only issue I have is the lack of AR coating on the crystal, as you can see from this video its highly reflective.
If accuracy and power reserve are* ... But totally agreed on the "smooth sweep" thing. It's what makes mechanicals so much more charming than quartz watches.
Great Sharing .. I love my Hamilton Khaki Air Race with ETA C7.111 with Powermatic. I buy pre used with great price 1400 Malaysia Ringgit with Great condition ... What a wonderful watch.
Either are great. I have the powermatic version. I like the accuracy, the longer power reserve and the noticeable beat of the second hand reinforces the mechanical nature of the movement. I like that but go with either as they are great watches.
Martin Morina this is true. It is most reflective of all my sapphire crystal watches. I can live with it and love mine but I can"t disagree on the reflectiveness
Classic is better. The fact that you can't micro-adjust the movement on the new H movements bothers me. I like to tinker to try and get the best accuracy possible. Also, the lower BPH is unappealing.
Bruce, another nice video, however I think we deserve to have a clear overall recommendations on which one to pick between the two, that's why we are here, at least giving us ur personal preferences, this is what comparison vid all about, do not miss understand my comment as I gave LIKE :)
Powermatic 80 is Tissot and it uses the Silicon hairspring. H40 does not, it's a beat reduction, plus the watch is regulated from the balance wheel rather than the balance bridge.
awwww, great content Bruce. I just pulled the trigger on the Hamilton 646150 which is the pilot "Cooper" you once reviewed as well, and almost returned it cause of the new rotor BS. I also noticed that the H has been cut out different logo, why??
After 3 years do we have info about H-50? How is it working? Is it durable and withotu any problems? I would be very interested to know as I would be interested in getting one. How often it should need service? Can a simple watchmaker do it or it must be sent to Hamilton?
28,800 FTW !! If you are worried about it's 40hr power reserve (and can't last over the weekend), but a watch winder off eBay for 25bucks. The movement is way better on the classics. It's a fact.
I don't know if I should order the one with the silver dial or this one. The only problem with the silver dial is that I can't find one with the steel bracelet.
Just saw your post from 2 years ago. How has the watch performed, I have been looking at a powermatic Tissot myself, I have the 2834-2 Khaki king and it's been great.
@@philspencelayh5464 I don't wear it every day and I'm not very fussy about losing/gaining few seconds. So far it's been amazing. Perfect mix of formal and casual
I ordered my khaki King last weekend. Its a champagne dial version on a reddish leather strap. I'm not happy with that strap even after seeing it in reviews on UA-cam. I was thinking about bracelet, but I have to agree with you. For some reason bracelet does not work with a field watch... At least not with this one anyway. To me they seem to shine on "used/old looking" leather strap.
People really dont understand that the Powermatics only "plastic" part is the silicone balance spring, that stops it from being affected by magnets. nothing else is plastic.
Hi oxygengaming, I'm concerning is it really any plastic part in powermatic 80 ? since i had read many watch forum that said powermatic 80 got plastic part and will be broken after 2 years/ warranty period and it's unservicetable.... is that true??
If the movement is guaranteed to be less than +5s it would be a go for me with the 80h of PR. If not I like to regulate my watches myself. But it would be much more tricky to do so on the Powermatic 80. 🤔
Very nice and helpful video. Keep it up Sir. Hello Sir. I hope you doing great. I'm looking to buy a automatic watch for my girlfriend. I'm considering two watches 1st one is Tissot Carson Premium Automatic Lady which has ETA2671 and another watch I'm considering is PR100 Powermatic 80 Lady on which I'm getting 50% off. But i wanted to ask which movement is best in both? ETA 2671 or Powermatic 80.111? I want something which may last century. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Sir.
To cite a Reddit thread that in turn cites this video - ‘I've heard the escapement may be plastic which is a bit concerning but I've also heard that it's just a regular 2 jewel/steel escapement, which is it?’ Ergo, this watch contains plastic components in its movement?? I’m giving very serious thought to the purchase of a Spirit of Liberty, which I believe uses the same H-10 movement, but . . . _plastic?_ I know that ¥100,000 / $1,000 is ‘peanuts’ in terms of Swiss brands and that Hamilton is barely ‘luxury’ . . . But I reckon that at that price point they could forgo the plastic (if this is true)??
Love that review so informative you and random rob my favourite reviewers. Where would you recommend buying the H version from in USA we can't get them in Australia.
I have the Hamilton Khaki PIlot Day Date with new H-40 movement. I never cared much about watch accuracy before, as long as the watch don't run horribly noticeable wrong, let say 1-2mn/day, then It is fine for me. And my Hammy, I set it 5mn faster than my smartphone time, 3 months passed, It is still 5mn faster, nothing more, nothing less. And 80h power reserved ? That is Omega's movement territory. I finished work at morning Saturday, back home at 10.00am, lay down my watch, forget about it, then Monday 7.00 am, pick up the watch, It is still ticking. Best 600$ I ever spent.
I brought a Glycine 48 mm KMU automatic, that I liked alittle, big exhibition case back , with a Sellita 200 movement. It ran great, on a meter, just 1 or two seconds off a day on a meter, when it was wound up. Winding down it would run fast. It just was a bit big on my wrist, and the lume was a bit disappointing. Only for 350.00. A lot of watch for the money. I sent it back and picked up the Hamilton Khaki aviation 46mm. It’s a bit of a disappointment also for 600 .OO . the lume is about the same....the movement is well.....? It’s like a Seiko but with a longer power reserve....if its accurate, great, hasn’t shown signs of that ,it’s was running spot on , on the wrist and set, off the wrist it’s running 5+ seconds fast. I really liked the face on this watch. I was going to return it immediately, but I figured it’s a sort of “dumbed down” ETA 2824, that’s how they get the big power reserve. The actual movement is small compared to the watch. I figure that because the smaller movement can handle more torque, again because of its power reserve. I don’t know if I can return it to Jomashop. If this information had been availible, when I was researching the watch ,I would have had good information on which to buy the watch. There is just a lot of people on the net doing watch reviews , who don’t really know enough about watches....
Actually it's not the ETA 2836-2 on the classic one. It's the ETA 2834-2 (you can see in case back, during the video). The difference between them it's just the day/date display.
I have the same watch, the one with the 80 hours power reserve. They "H" that's above the word Hamilton on the rotor on mine is a different looking letter "H" than the one in your video. Any ideas as to why this might be? 🤔
Hello sir, since on the dail doesn't says "swiss made" should i be worry that the watch isn't completely swiss made. Swiss movement but cased in china kinda thing? Thanks
But also people need to realize there are several powermatic80 versions of this movement. So far I have seen powermatics versions of so called "C07.111, C07.621 and C07.821. If you dont mind plastic parts in the movement than C07.111 is your movement of choice.
Hey Bruce wondering if you would buy this watch at a 20% discount? Reason I am asking is I like to buy a watch when I go on vacation. I know joma sells these at 375 but the discount at an A.D. would be about 20% . Whats your thoughts?
Sorry I'm new to watches. Are there any other Hamilton Pilot day date watches with that same classic ETA? I can't seem to find any and prefer that smoother sweep.
I have a 1943 Omega black face 15 jewel manual wind. It might gain or loose a minute in three or four days. It is a real beauty coming out of India.. I wont tell you thats how the watch came. I bought the watch over two years ago. It worked for a while and quit. I took it to my jewel to have it looked at. The outward condition of the watch. is great. but not the insides. The movement is a 265.5t3. The movement on this watch was glued together. My watch repairman set the parts were made of untainable. So I put the watch in my drawer. But I did not forget about it. The parts were really not obtainable. So I started looking for complete watches to source the parts. The 26.5t3 watches are rare. Over two years I bought three watches I sent back two. In December of 2019 I tried again. The watch came out of New Zeeland. The case of the watch was not promising. It was gold plated. You know how bad a worn out gold plated watch looks. I was hoping just to get the needed parts. The serial numbers were close. Well the movement was beautiful. My repairman just want to switch movements. But I wanted the the original serial number kept. So had him strip the parts and put them with the core of the original watch. So my original 1943 black faced 15 jewel watch is alive and running well. THE END!
So the powermatic 80 in a Hamilton is essentially the same movement you will find on a Tissot and Certina right? So the only thing that would be different is the logo on the rotor
I’m getting less than +.5 seconds per day out of my 2824-2. I couldn’t be happier with the accuracy. The 80hr power reserve would be nice though. That’s really impressive.
Love my H-40 Powermatic, it's the most accurate automatic I own. The relative lack of smoothness to the second hand never has bothered me.
Btw, as of 2020, the rotor has been slightly redesigned. Hamilton has changed "H" cutout to the more stylized, retro logo, and I personally think it looks much cooler now than the plain H shown in this video.
oh yeah !! That new modern H logo is killer!! I definetely prefer it over the standard one.
Great comparison. I'll take the Powermatic 80 in this case. I've owned watches with the 28xx-2 that ran great , but my little Tissot with the Powermatic is my most accurate watch to date. I have enough watches that the 80hr power reserve is also nice to have. Again, great comparison.
My H10 runs +/- 2 SPD but my H40 runs -6, so I still think it's luck of the draw when a watch is not COSC certified. Either way, they are both extremely consistent and no matter how I place the H40 at night, it's always -6 SPD.
Hello the Tissot caliber is little bit different from Hamilton. Tissot has 2 jevels less due to has 2 parts made with plastic.
I like the smooth sweep too. I don’t own a Hamilton, but the Powermatic 80 in my lovely new Certina DS Action 38mm diver continues to give me less than a one-second gain every day, which I REALLY like!
I wish they would make a 2.5Hz option, for ultimate power reserve, and so that the second hand is hitting every sub-second register accurately. It's also historically a popular beat frequency.
80 hr power reserve, extended time before servicing, and more accurate. The powermatic is a no brainer.
t00lnin smoooooth sweeeep
Maybe not, to get serviced will not be able to use your local watchmaker, needs to be sent to Hamilton to service.
It's a crap movement full of problems.
It cant be serviced, it will be replaced. This is not that, what a Swiss automatic Watch stands for.
@@clear9249 hi, I have recently started googling about this movement. Could you please tell more details about how this is not servicable movement? It is hard for me to believe that the movement will be thrown away! Also, how does the powermatic get regulated if this part of the movement is removed?
Thanks!
The problem here is the Powermatic 80 can not be regulated , it is factory set and can only be fixed at the Tissot Service Center by replacing the balance wheel assy. The standard caliber may be fixed by any watchmaker for a regular fee.
I just now gave my husband the Powermatic 80. He's a back country guide in the high mountains here in Colorado. The extended power reserve is a plus for him. Due to the nature of the adventures he leads in the mountains, adventures which would not suit wearing a watch, it's wonderful the watch has the 80-hour power reserve out in the wild.
So I don’t understand your comment. Does your husband were a watch on his outdoor trips or not? I find it strange to be a leader and not refer to a watch. And if he wears a watch on his trips, he does not need to wind it up. So I don’t understand your logic here.
My powermatic 80 in a Tissot is +2s a day. I couldn't be happier with it.
Thank you for this, as I have a Khaki Field King and didn't know that there where two versions.
I'm happy to know that I have the Powermatic version, as this should require servicing at longer intervals, due to its lower beat rate.
The H-10 Powermatic movement in my Khaki Field Auto runs at +4 a day. Owning so many Seiko watches with 21,600 BPH movements (7S26, 4R36, 6R15), I don't find the 3 Hz movement in the Hamilton to be that noticeable. For me, it's all about the watch itself and these Hamiltons are quite attractive.
I just purchased the khaki field auto with the silver dial a couple of months ago and I absolutely love it. Since you have had yours for so long, can I ask if you have sent yours for service? Do you know if it´s possible to purchase the movement? Thank you so much
@@santiguierrez Hi. Purchasing an H-10 Powermatic movement would be fairly difficult because Swatch Group limits that supply the watches within the brands (Hamilton, Certina, Tissot) exclusively. If one could find a watchmaker who is certified to order parts through their supply system then it might be possible, but that would be a challenge as most watchmakers are protective of their status and would only order it if they performed the replacement themselves.
As for my experience, I’m afraid I sold the watch a few months after I posted the original reply, so I don’t have anything to report.
Excellent review. The 80 hrs reserve on the powermatic is a very good upgrade.
I would prefer the classic ETA movement. I love the smooth moving second hand on classic ETA movement.
The reason I buy automatic is I love the second hand being so smooth on some models . If I want power reserve I wear my solar protek when I go camping.
@@CC-yq5bw The movement is crap, full of problems.
@@SacreDro If you don't have anything more intelligent to say (repeatedly), maybe you should just keep it to yourself.
@@CC-yq5bw Accuracy-wise a mechanical watch doesn't make sense at all. But the smooth sweep is what makes mechanical watches so much more charming and beautiful than quartz watches, that's why they're still around.
The new one is smooth too. There is a slight difference that eye cant catch… do you watch the second hand on a watch when wearing come on
Excellent comparison. I enjoy how you research technical details thoroughly. Hard to choose between those two.
Thank you!
thanks for this comparison. Being relatively new to buying watches of any consequence, this was an issue that came up during my search for a watch. I was persuaded to buy a watch with a higher beat rate; in this case, it was the ETA 2824-2. Being a second or 2 more accurate and a larger power reserve is not really a big deal to me... having a smoother second hand is. I guess it all comes down to personal preference, but the classic movement appeals to me more. Great job as always, Bruce.
Bruce, u're a saviour. I'm torn between Tissot gentleman powermatic 80 and Tissot visodate heritage automatic, and you gave the answer. Since i rotate wearing my watches on daily basis, the power reserve isn't my priority coz it might take weeks before i wear one again. Thus, the smooth sweeping second hand is my preference. Thanks Bruce.
You give the most accurate reviews Bruce. Well done. Love hamiltons. Thinking about getting the khaki field though.
My Tissot Chemin de Tourelles with powermatic 80 gets -1 sec/day out of the box. impressed with the accuracy for the price.
Thanks for this vid. Predicting the classic to climb in value is dead on too. Get one now if you think you want it.
My Hamilton with the Powermatic 80 movement is dead on accurate without any deviation from the atomic clock if worn everyday. The power reserve is great and seems like an upgrade from the old movement. But I do miss the smoother sweep of the 4 Hz beating.
Ghet powermatic, chay giat giat y chang may con Seiko.
Giang Vu that’s BS. Atomic clock levels of accuracy with cogs and springs? Sure... Even my new generation 3235 Rolex movement in my Datejust 41 is +1s/day and 70 hours power reserve which is the state of the art for a mechanical.
@@bobbydazzler1780 Who said that rolex has best movements? They are average.
jazz1ba whatever...
Although the sweep of the seconds hand is nicer on the ETA movement with it's 4Hz frequency, it's also more prone to wear in comparison to the 3Hz frequency of the Powermatic 80. Therefore the ETA is more likely to cost more in terms of servicing.
... with its* frequency (it's = it is) ...
Pro and cons, but dont worry about service costs, they don't need servicing anything like as often as the manufacturers say. Most people never have a watch serviced and they go on for ever. I have my dads old Rotary from the 1970s and it still goes like new, never touched.
They are both ETA!
The difference in wear is only 25% max. Don't dramatise over it. However most of deterioration comes actually from the lubricants getting old and not how many times the thing swings. So please.... get real.
@@philspencelayh5464 One thing is however true: almost all modern movements get come without only minimal lubrication from the factory. Frequently even the main barrel isn't lubricated.
My Powermatic Khaki King is +/- 1 seconds a day when worn. It's amazing. I like the 80 hours power reserve but i almost wear it every day.
Hows the accuracy of your watch in 2021? Still +/-1 seconds per day?
I am debating whether to buy a watch with powermatic 80 or not.
@@johndavolta3124 It is not average powermatic 80, Hamilton's H series of movements are closer to traditional ETA in terms of many things, H movements usually have non synthetic parts unlike entry level powermatic 80s.
@@antidot556 yeah I know, but wanted to know the accuracy. I was thinking about the Tissot Gentleman
I have the new Hamilton field automatic with the H10 movement . I could not find the older one with the ETA 2824-2 . Still i am very happy with the one I have . ( I got 16 % off at a authorized dealer ) Good video thanks .
Wonderful video and an excellent comparison
Bruce, there's another advantage to the new powermatic 80. With the lower beat rate it will extend the service interval that one would expect which will reduce the overall cost of ownership. If you're looking for a sweeping second hand go to a Bulova precisionist where their movement is accurate to within ten seconds a year.
I haven't seen the Bulova but the Grand Seiko spring drive is the smoothest sweep I've seen in person. Smoother sweep than an electric wall clock. But, we're talking 5x the price of most Hamiltons I own.
Obviously, we're not in the same league of a Grand Seiko Spring Drive, just as smooth "Bulova’s unique three-prong quartz crystal Precisionist movement with a 262 kHz vibrational frequency-eight times greater than standard watches" You can pick them up for under $500.
The only problem with the Precisionist is lack of variety. Bullova needs to put the movement in more styles including a dress watch.
Never decide before having a powermatic movement on any brand, i had a tissot couturier with powermatic 80, at first days of owning the watch that 80 hours looked like a magic to me but when you try to use it once in 2 days nothing makes it more special than a classic eta then you and your lower beating remain, just like having a seiko 5! Friends, visibility is important, what you see is important! so stay with your classic eta movement and be happy, i am happy as i have sold my boring powermatic 80 ;)
Good choice, the movement has problems.
One way to think of the new Hamilton H series (H-40), is that, being free-sprung, it is like a Rolex with it's Microstella adjustment, and other luxury level timepieces, (Patek)-The Hamilton being similarly adjustable, not un-adjustable as some contend.
Man I like you camera work, always make the watch look more disirable than it actually is.
Trieu Nguyen thanks!
Bruce Williams I don't know that a good thing or not for my wallet. Lol
I am a watch collector with considerably more than 100 watches in my collection, is 80 hours reserve going to enough? dont think so, what I do appreciate is the more even sweep and the adjustability of the older movement and potentially greater accuracy. When it comes to servicing the 80 hour reserve watches good luck finding a local watchmaker who will be happy to do them and in 50 years time when all my classic vintage watches are ticking along fine where will the 80 hour unadjustable version be?......................
I have to say that "Swiss Made" on the dial means far less after the MoonSwatch than it did before. For me hi-beat is going to win out every time. Power reserve having no bearing on anything much. I recently had a problem with my left elbow and struggled with a bone infection for several months, the upshot of this was that for the first time I realised my lack of movement wasn't inputting enough energy to wind the movement, at the same time I realised that for a regular person 38 hour reserve is adequate. I'm quite happy to wind and set whichever watch I choose for the day. I guess if you have 2 or 3 pieces it's more of a concern.
Hamilton cannot give a damn to give anti-glare coatings to those sapphires ...
Istvan Toth lol
Exactly the reason why I prefer the champagne dial.
Could not agree more, I love my Khaki Field Automatic, but man sometimes I wish they did something about that crystal, at least given a layer of ARC
I have the H-40 Khaki. It's amazing. Not to be confused with Tissot powermatic 80. That regulator used a silicone hair spring. Hamilton does not, there is a difference in that the regulating operation system on the Tissot powermatic is that it's done internally
H-40 is Hamilton's power reserve system.
Tissot powermatic 80 (23 jewels) is terrible and disposable movement with full of plastic parts(polymer) inside.
The lower 21600 beat rate of the Powermatic is the same rate used by the Royal Oak and a ton of Patek watches. It’s clearly not a big deal and the longer power reserve and less wear and tear more than outweigh the slightly aesthetic advantage of a smoother sweep
The longer power reserve is mainly due to a slimmer and longer main spring. The beat rate difference is not that huge.
Took receipt of my Powermatic 80 version today. PURE CLASS
There is one more key difference between them...
POWERMATIC 80 movements are completely machine made and they are NOT easily serviceable, if something goes wrong with the movement then you need to send the watch to the TISSOT manufacturing facility to repair or replace the movement which may cost more than half of the watch's price !.....
but CLASSIC ETA movements have a bit of hand craftmanship and they are easy and inexpensive to repair...
My local watchmaker told me he just needs to order one new tool, easily serviceable although now the modular parts make replacing things marginally more expensive
No more machine made than the original. Just the regulation is laser calibrated
@Félix Adán Pasos Silicon spring for antimagnetic properties
With a Day/Date compilation power reserve is a major plus unless it’s a daily wear. Resetting the Day/Date doesn’t take long but could be mitigated with a longer static shelf life. The seconds hand smoother sweep is a very minor aesthetic thing which is barely noticeable even in macro. The lack of anti reflective coating is a minus, surely a decent movement warrants such an inexpensive upgrade to the sapphire glare. Overall you can’t go far wrong - is it true that a lower beat frequency means longer service intervals? I guess there’s less wear and tear going on at 3Hz in the Powermatic. Overall both decent watches but I’d opt for the longer shelf life as I tend to rotate my modest collection. Both give decent accuracy as you’d expect from ETA. I have a low end Miyota movement in a beater Rotary watch which gives about +7s/day which isn’t bad for a cheap watch which I bought at 55% discount. Check out the Rotary Cambridge folks, I think this is excellent bang for the buck.
The ETA's tuned by the brands that use them give a satisfactory result.
To me accuracy and power reserve is more important than sweep action. That’s why you get a watch, right.
Why not quartz for 10 bucks then?
i'd buy cheap G-shock with solar power with that consideration
I'll take chronometric stability and longer power reserve over a smooth sweep. Aesthetics aren't as important as practicality.
Correction, again. You state that you really mean it's a 2836-2. However later in the video one can clearly see 2834-2 stamped on the caseback.
I think the only difference is the full day
I'm surprised so many people in the comments care only about the power reserve. I own a 2824 Khaki and returned a Powermatic Khaki. I love the sweep hand on the 2824 and I like that I can regulate the time myself. An 80 power reserve is not a big deal because I either wear a watch every day, or a rotate my watches enough that a Powermatic would be run down the next time I'd wear it anyway. 2824-2 for the win!
Why would you be surprised if majority of people prefer the power reserve over the smooth sweep? When it comes to "function over form", majority of people will actually prefer "function". A characteristic that is useful is and should always be preferred and chosen. The "smooth sweep" is aesthetically better but functionally a downside.
Classic ETA all the way. The smooth sweep is where it's at.
Awesome, didnt even know two versions existed. Learnt something new today. Thanks man
i got a khaki field with the powermatic 80, its super dead accurate out of the box, i do miss the hi beat, but thats what other watches are for !
Peter Vu hello, what is the average error of the powermatic 80 that u r owning?
mine is 2 or 3 seconds+ a day
I really like this watch. Hmm! I gotta stop myself. Again. Thanks for making it harder haha 😂
If accuracy and power reserve is more important than sweep action then buy the quartz version, I personally prefer the higher beat rate, the reason to buy automatics is for the sweep action. I actually own the older version with the 2836, the only issue I have is the lack of AR coating on the crystal, as you can see from this video its highly reflective.
If accuracy and power reserve are* ... But totally agreed on the "smooth sweep" thing. It's what makes mechanicals so much more charming than quartz watches.
I wanted answers. I got them. Thank you!
Great Sharing .. I love my Hamilton Khaki Air Race with ETA C7.111 with Powermatic.
I buy pre used with great price 1400 Malaysia Ringgit with Great condition ... What a wonderful watch.
Either are great. I have the powermatic version. I like the accuracy, the longer power reserve and the noticeable beat of the second hand reinforces the mechanical nature of the movement. I like that but go with either as they are great watches.
The sapphire looks so bad on both, very reflective
Martin Morina this is true. It is most reflective of all my sapphire crystal watches. I can live with it and love mine but I can"t disagree on the reflectiveness
Hello, could you tell me what is the average error of your PM80 movement watch ?. Thanks
Nguyễn Khánh it was about 10sec gain a day.
Classic is better. The fact that you can't micro-adjust the movement on the new H movements bothers me. I like to tinker to try and get the best accuracy possible. Also, the lower BPH is unappealing.
James Walker you can still adjust the h calibers but it's not as easy
You can, there are micro adjustments on the balance wheel
Bruce, another nice video, however I think we deserve to have a clear overall recommendations on which one to pick between the two, that's why we are here, at least giving us ur personal preferences, this is what comparison vid all about, do not miss understand my comment as I gave LIKE :)
Wissam Al-Ashaq I chose the classic version haha but everyone is different
Bruce Williams thank you now I choose.. :)
Good review. Subscribed. Also, I could be wrong but it appears the size of the crowns are also different.
Doesn't the Powermatic have silicon parts to stop magnetism being an issue? Another plus.
This one isn't directly the same as the powermatic. it is similar but no silicon hairspring
Powermatic 80 is Tissot and it uses the Silicon hairspring. H40 does not, it's a beat reduction, plus the watch is regulated from the balance wheel rather than the balance bridge.
awwww, great content Bruce. I just pulled the trigger on the Hamilton 646150 which is the pilot "Cooper" you once reviewed as well, and almost returned it cause of the new rotor BS. I also noticed that the H has been cut out different logo, why??
After 3 years do we have info about H-50? How is it working? Is it durable and withotu any problems? I would be very interested to know as I would be interested in getting one. How often it should need service? Can a simple watchmaker do it or it must be sent to Hamilton?
This is one of the best, if not, the best Hamilton watch in my opinion. Looks really good on the leather though.
28,800 FTW !! If you are worried about it's 40hr power reserve (and can't last over the weekend), but a watch winder off eBay for 25bucks. The movement is way better on the classics. It's a fact.
i also noticed the application of the idices on the powermatic are much cleaner and crisper.
I don't know if I should order the one with the silver dial or this one. The only problem with the silver dial is that I can't find one with the steel bracelet.
I love the intro, it sounds epic lol
Thank you for the video! I just bought 2nd hand the classic one👍
I have a new Hamilton field automatic 38 with the H10 movement. I am vwryj happy with it .
How is the watch now?
Awesome video Bruce!
I just realised I have the powermatic after watching this video! O_O
Just saw your post from 2 years ago. How has the watch performed, I have been looking at a powermatic Tissot myself, I have the 2834-2 Khaki king and it's been great.
@@philspencelayh5464 I don't wear it every day and I'm not very fussy about losing/gaining few seconds. So far it's been amazing. Perfect mix of formal and casual
I don't care about the smoother second hand sweep of the classic ETA. Who stares at the second hand? 3 day power reserve wins it.
alabanzarobert if you wear your watch every day or even every other day it wouldn’t be an issue
Then get a quarts watch, 5 year power reserve
I love staring at the second hand . I sold my newer Hamilton because I didn’t like it has too long power reserve . Is not smooth like I like
I look at the seconds hand of my 2824-2 Hamilton all the time.
Thanks for the cool video Bruce. How about the price difference? To big or negligible?
reflective as hell for a field watch.
I love Hamilton but I think Hamilton look better on a leather strap.
I ordered my khaki King last weekend. Its a champagne dial version on a reddish leather strap. I'm not happy with that strap even after seeing it in reviews on UA-cam. I was thinking about bracelet, but I have to agree with you. For some reason bracelet does not work with a field watch... At least not with this one anyway.
To me they seem to shine on "used/old looking" leather strap.
People really dont understand that the Powermatics only "plastic" part is the silicone balance spring, that stops it from being affected by magnets. nothing else is plastic.
Hi oxygengaming, I'm concerning is it really any plastic part in powermatic 80 ? since i had read many watch forum that said powermatic 80 got plastic part and will be broken after 2 years/ warranty period and it's unservicetable.... is that true??
Do independent watchmakers have any trouble servicing/regulating the Powermatic version vs the standard version?
It cannot be serviced by independent watchmakers, only Swatch affiliates.
@@2deep5u Do you mean the Powermatic movement or both?
@@davidemariazema67 Only Powermatic movements.
@@2deep5u Thank you!
If the movement is guaranteed to be less than +5s it would be a go for me with the 80h of PR.
If not I like to regulate my watches myself. But it would be much more tricky to do so on the Powermatic 80. 🤔
Awesome comparison, thank you.
Very nice and helpful video. Keep it up Sir.
Hello Sir.
I hope you doing great.
I'm looking to buy a automatic watch for my girlfriend.
I'm considering two watches 1st one is Tissot Carson Premium Automatic Lady which has ETA2671 and another watch I'm considering is PR100 Powermatic 80 Lady on which I'm getting 50% off.
But i wanted to ask which movement is best in both?
ETA 2671 or Powermatic 80.111?
I want something which may last century.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Sir.
Love Hammies but never understood the face design of the King, with its chopped off numbers at the top. Just kills it for me.
To cite a Reddit thread that in turn cites this video - ‘I've heard the escapement may be plastic which is a bit concerning but I've also heard that it's just a regular 2 jewel/steel escapement, which is it?’ Ergo, this watch contains plastic components in its movement?? I’m giving very serious thought to the purchase of a Spirit of Liberty, which I believe uses the same H-10 movement, but . . . _plastic?_ I know that ¥100,000 / $1,000 is ‘peanuts’ in terms of Swiss brands and that Hamilton is barely ‘luxury’ . . . But I reckon that at that price point they could forgo the plastic (if this is true)??
Love that review so informative you and random rob my favourite reviewers.
Where would you recommend buying the H version from in USA we can't get them in Australia.
Robert Spinks thanks! Rob got his from jomashop. I have no problems buying greymarket in this case 👍
Bruce Williams thanks bruce👍
I have the Hamilton Khaki PIlot Day Date with new H-40 movement. I never cared much about watch accuracy before, as long as the watch don't run horribly noticeable wrong, let say 1-2mn/day, then It is fine for me. And my Hammy, I set it 5mn faster than my smartphone time, 3 months passed, It is still 5mn faster, nothing more, nothing less. And 80h power reserved ? That is Omega's movement territory. I finished work at morning Saturday, back home at 10.00am, lay down my watch, forget about it, then Monday 7.00 am, pick up the watch, It is still ticking.
Best 600$ I ever spent.
From the video, the printing on the dial seems sharper on the Powermatic.
great video. why do both watches have H644550 on case back? also, my powermatic has a different, more stylized "H" cutout on the movement?
My Hamilton has the H10 movement, but the beat error is quite poor. Can this be adjusted?
I brought a Glycine 48 mm KMU automatic, that I liked alittle, big exhibition case back , with a Sellita 200 movement. It ran great, on a meter, just 1 or two seconds off a day on a meter, when it was wound up. Winding down it would run fast. It just was a bit big on my wrist, and the lume was a bit disappointing. Only for 350.00. A lot of watch for the money. I sent it back and picked up the Hamilton Khaki aviation 46mm. It’s a bit of a disappointment also for 600 .OO . the lume is about the same....the movement is well.....? It’s like a Seiko but with a longer power reserve....if its accurate, great, hasn’t shown signs of that ,it’s was running spot on , on the wrist and set, off the wrist it’s running 5+ seconds fast. I really liked the face on this watch. I was going to return it immediately, but I figured it’s a sort of “dumbed down” ETA 2824, that’s how they get the big power reserve. The actual movement is small compared to the watch. I figure that because the smaller movement can handle more torque, again because of its power reserve. I don’t know if I can return it to Jomashop. If this information had been availible, when I was researching the watch ,I would have had good information on which to buy the watch. There is just a lot of people on the net doing watch reviews , who don’t really know enough about watches....
Great review! Is in this time possible to buy "old" version ? Thank you for your reply.
Thanks for video, owned both. Powermatic is my choice.
Hows the accuracy on the powermatic when worn?
@@johndavolta3124 minimal deviation, think so
Actually it's not the ETA 2836-2 on the classic one. It's the ETA 2834-2 (you can see in case back, during the video). The difference between them it's just the day/date display.
I have the same watch, the one with the 80 hours power reserve. They "H" that's above the word Hamilton on the rotor on mine is a different looking letter "H" than the one in your video. Any ideas as to why this might be? 🤔
Hello sir, since on the dail doesn't says "swiss made" should i be worry that the watch isn't completely swiss made. Swiss movement but cased in china kinda thing? Thanks
Most important thing for a watch is accuracy not aesthetics so the powermatic 80 should be the winner overall and the one you should choose
But also reliability and easy of service. While the powermatic seems more accurate it cant be regulated
But also people need to realize there are several powermatic80 versions of this movement.
So far I have seen powermatics versions of so called "C07.111, C07.621 and C07.821.
If you dont mind plastic parts in the movement than C07.111 is your movement of choice.
Yea well said
THE POWERMATIC 80 can be regulated btw its just a different and more complicated method of screws in the heart of the movement.
Hey Bruce wondering if you would buy this watch at a 20% discount? Reason I am asking is I like to buy a watch when I go on vacation. I know joma sells these at 375 but the discount at an A.D. would be about 20% . Whats your thoughts?
if you like a smooth sweep you should get a GS Spring Drive !
Sorry I'm new to watches. Are there any other Hamilton Pilot day date watches with that same classic ETA? I can't seem to find any and prefer that smoother sweep.
Try eBay, I got a Hamilton pilot with the classic ETA from a Japanese seller.
I prefer the classic 2824-2
I have a 1943 Omega black face 15 jewel manual wind. It might gain or loose a minute in three or four days.
It is a real beauty coming out of India.. I wont tell you thats how the watch came. I bought the watch over two
years ago. It worked for a while and quit. I took it to my jewel to have it looked at. The outward condition of the watch.
is great. but not the insides. The movement is a 265.5t3. The movement on this watch was glued together. My watch
repairman set the parts were made of untainable. So I put the watch in my drawer. But I did not forget about it. The parts
were really not obtainable. So I started looking for complete watches to source the parts. The 26.5t3 watches are rare.
Over two years I bought three watches I sent back two. In December of 2019 I tried again. The watch came out of New
Zeeland. The case of the watch was not promising. It was gold plated. You know how bad a worn out gold plated
watch looks. I was hoping just to get the needed parts. The serial numbers were close. Well the movement was
beautiful. My repairman just want to switch movements. But I wanted the the original serial number kept. So had
him strip the parts and put them with the core of the original watch. So my original 1943 black faced 15 jewel watch is
alive and running well. THE END!
How about it now. It's seem tobe a long trip to revive your watch but loved it
My powermatic movement has never really worked. Keeps stopping. Sent it away twice now. I wish I had a standard 2824
Great and informative comparison video.. thank you.
Good video! 💯
I think that the powermatic 80 version is better.
So the powermatic 80 in a Hamilton is essentially the same movement you will find on a Tissot and Certina right? So the only thing that would be different is the logo on the rotor
The lumes on the powermatic is applied more evenly.
really that's great I just bought the watch 5 mins ago
My Tissot Seastar 1000 2nd gen is at 35 secs accuracy. Think I need to bring to my AD for calibration.
I’m getting less than +.5 seconds per day out of my 2824-2. I couldn’t be happier with the accuracy. The 80hr power reserve would be nice though. That’s really impressive.