2024 Kentucky Derby Recap: Mystik Dan Wins but Who Was Best?
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PTF and JK are back with their thoughts on this year's Kentucky Derby and Mystik's Dan narrow but impressive victory. They give their thoughts on Brian Hernandez's tremendous ride and discuss his future prospects.
Forever Young's horror trip is discussed under Ryusei Sakai, as well as Tyler Gaffalione's ride on Sierra Leone, and Fierceness's no show.
Here's the complete order of finish
Mystik Dan
Sierra Leone
Forever Young
Catching Freedom
T O Password
Resilience
Stronghold
Honor Marie
Endlessly
Dornoch
Track Phantom
West Saratoga
Domestic Product
Epic Ride
Fierceness
Society Man
Just Steel
Grand Mo The First
Catalytic
Just A Touch - Розваги
The best horse that day was Mystic Dan he beat all the favorites why is everyone saying he’s not? He came into the race with second best speed figure I knew if he ran his best he would have a chance.
I think some are saying that because his trip was easier than the other two and he only won by a nose
Forever Young was the best horse in the race and, if they bring him back in the Breeders Cup, you are crazy not to bet him.
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@@JasonLaveck I wish he were staying for Preakness/Belmont.
Shouldn't have been 3rd should've been 2nd with INQUIRY ❤
Mystik Dan was close to the pace and still hung on I think he was the best.
I get it. Especially when you look where the other speed finished.
Good point
I'd like to see the distance traveled by each of the top 3 horses in the race.
Ground loss is not the key; energy loss is the metric you need to concentrate on. In that regard both Sierra Leone and Forever Young suffered the most energy loss. In a three horse race they both cream Mystik Dan.
I wonder if that's available anywhere.
You’re missing some very important aspects in the race. One, you are not giving enough credit to Mystic Dan for breaking from the gate better than Dornoch and getting to the rail for that ground saving trip. Two, you are not giving enough credit to Mystic Dan for being brave enough to push into a hole that wasn’t there. It takes a brave three year old to do that regardless whether or not the jockey wants to go there. BH is a passenger and a horse is not a car, you can press the gas on a horse but he may not respond if he doesn’t like the choice of the driver. That doesn’t happen with a car. So give more credit to the horse and a little less to the jockey. Three, all the issues that SL and FY encountered in the race happened because of their inability to break from the gate and have enough early speed to gain a good position. They’re one dimensional horses and for that reason you can’t call either the “BEST” horse in the race. The best horse in this race was the winner and his name is Mystic Dan. He earned the win more because of his ability and character with a rider that made less mistakes than the rest.
It was a brave and impressive effort for sure.
I listened to your great video analyses prior to the race and you convinced me to make an exacta with Mystic/Sierra/Forever. Yes, it hit well, but I'm sad I didn't also place a trifecta!!! I was surprised just now hearing JK say he didn't have Mystic anywhere on his card, especially after you laid out how he could sneak up and win. Thank you for your great commentary. Now if only I figure out how to play smarter.....🏇🏇🏇
I had exacta too but I'm pissed! That was a lousy payout! A $40 horse on top and exacta only triples in 20 horse field???! By comparison, 2 races prior in a 14 horse field a 5/1 ON TOP ... over a 20/1 paid better. Highly unusual. Hey, I want my "Stupid Money" bonus on Derby day - what can I say.
Superfecta was Hittable had it backwards with 4 on top 4/2,8,11/2,8,11/2,3,7,8,11,15 paid 8k
FY would have won by lengths in this year derby if not foe the bumping. Furthermore, i would drop my pink slip on FY if he was to take on SL in the Belmont. The best in the world!!!!!
I don't think lengths is right but I agree he wins if SL lugs but doesn't make contact.
First it's MD benefited from a heavily biased track on the rail in the Southwest and now it's he was very fortunate and had alot of things go his way...Well let's see..We knew that he like moisture in the track , we knew he was one of the best getting out of the gate, we knew he didn't mind the kickback of mud in his face, we knew he had the talent to travel down on the rail around the entire track where most do not want to be at all, we knew he had post position#3 & that Sierra Leone was going to drop back at start if the race and if dornoch beat him out of the gate for some reason then he would follow him until he was out of gas and if not then follow somebody else but, we knew he would be in the second pack which is no stretch per previous race..We also heard BH talk about the trip MD had in the Arkansas derby where Liberal Arts Bolted into MD but, that you couldn't really see it on replay because it happened in bad spot on track but did disturb MD pretty good and the point of BH saying that is MD did not quit and at the end of the race was still coming,..We also knew MD had worked out 13/143 & 1/71 , then a maintenance work leading up to the derby so highly disagree with you with all the bias track stuff in southwest & the was fortunate angle/ perfect trip in the derby because was not perfect trip as he had to get some kickback of dirt in his face from the horse in front of him and going through that hole at top of the stretch on turn was not without being bumped pretty good...Then on top of all this is BH and the confidence he had going in, a specific game plan that he wanted to execute and did which wasn't of extreme difficulty because of all the talent the horse had
he's definitely been lucky and good
You are absolutely correct about all of this as it put this particular horse in the spot he needed to be to win the race by three inches. Give tremendous credit to the trainer and jockey. Having said that, he will never beat the second and third horses again at this or a similar distance. They used tremendous amounts of energy running the turn as widely as they did and he still only beat them by inches. It was a great Derby, but I'm waiting for the Breeders Cup when he will have to beat them again in a much smaller field...I will make some money on the rematch.
I agree with PTF...If Forever Young had been outside of Sierra Leone I think Forever Young wins and Sierra Leone keeps drifting towards the rail. FY was the only thing keeping SL running a straight line and SL clearly affected Forever Young's stretch run. I may be biased because I had Forever Young at 15/1 in a futures bet
Sierra Leone instead takes out Mystik Dan
Too bad; I had mystic dan at 105-1.
It's a fair argument - at first contact, FY pushed SL out 1 path by my eye.... then SL 'coaxed' FY inside 2 or 3 paths in final furlong. I say again, it's the Derby so stewards did right thing here. Mystik Dan deserved the win but SL and FY can feel that they are at least his equal without question.
@@elliotepner I'll bet you were screaming for that finish line to come into picture. Nice hit
I had no money on FY, that's just my objective opinion.
Nice discussion but to me there’s no question that Mystik Dan was the best horse that day. He broke better than any other horse, stayed close to the pace, found a way through traffic and ran straight for the finish wire.
I respect that notion, definitely a dynamics upgrade. At the same time, he was very lucky to win.
The top 3 were the three best in that order, in my opinion, so a very fair result in that sense despite some of the controversy between Sierra Leone and Forever Young. Rounding out my top 5 of Derby stars (horses only) would be Resilience and Stronghold. They didn't finish quite as well as Mystik Dan, but they were right there in that next flight of horses, ran wider trips than he did and didn't disgrace themselves at all getting to the wire. The fact that T O Password came from 18th to 5th having been a need-the-lead type shows you how much this race melted down, and those two fought. I think both are future G1 winners.
I think it's tough to make the case that SL was better than FY, if only because of the mugging and how close they finished.
Nailed it on the Sierra Leone analysis, JK. Youre the only one to credit him checking on the far turn to costing him the race. Tyler missed the opening down the backside before Grand mo moved up and closed him in. That was the whole difference in the race i have no question. He blows by everyone down the stretch otheerwise. Truly an impressive run by SL though consiedering the horse had to stop and then start again, as big as that horse is, extremely athletic to accelerate again once asked. I believe hes your breeders cup classic winner and Belmont winner.
As for the stretch run, those were two alpha horses throwing it down in their own head to head race with Dan had the rail run.
Pace- weird one. Many said it was slow but since when is sub 24 and sub 46 going a mile and a quarter slow? Makes the closers look pretty good though considering middle of the race slowed down a bit which is probably why timeform didnt give Dan that much greater of a figure than the other two, considering all the ground given up by SL and FY.
He threw the race away lugging in for me -- the check had little to do with it imo. He's his own worst enemy.
I said Fierceness wouldn't hit the board. But what do I know my horse finished 20th. LOL
Probably just too much too soon for JAT. He'll be back.
Great point JK... they all backed up.
MD definitely gets an upgrade for dynamics. Was actually surprised TFUS only gave him 1 extra point.
Sorry boys… Mystik Dan was the best. Period. By a nose.. you have to give the horse credit for being brave enough to go through a hole that wasn’t there. A lot of horses would check there… But he trusted his rider and did what he was told which is phenomenal. Cool customer and intelligent Horse means he was the best on the day.
He ran a huge race, no doubt.
Tyler said he put his hands on Forever Young to make room to whip.
Ability to use his stick in his left hand is no excuse - Chris Rodgers would pass it through his mouth and hit right. He was a true jockey with skills vastly exceeding this young fellow.
Although he had no teeth when I met him.
Kinda excited to hear from u guys after fierceness was pushed as the nxt winged pegasus pre race
I said 1000 times that he'd win or run completely out and thought it was 50/50 he'd bomb. At the odds that made him a good bet. . .but sometimes the coin comes up talis!
I didn't absolutely LOVE Dan but I knew he had run some fast races and was a stakes winner and placed.you had to play him with the thought of even a bit of moisture on the track...I think he showed he is amongst the best of his crop....he didn't come out of nowhere
He ran back to that good race for sure.
Hit super on derby first time at derby
Hit Superfecta or hit super well overall?
nice!
Congrats! Hard to do!
Brian Hernandez rides the rail the same way EVERY day of the year, whether it's FG,Churchill,or Ellis. It's not coincidence that both Oaks- Derby victors were both horses who were widest vs a gold rail at Oaklawn last out,then moved inside at churchill...
And I posted 100x BEFORE the race Fierceness was a THROWOUT, because he is a SLOOOW need the lead type: his 47.1s at BC and Florida Derby were bad. He ran the same exact race in the Ky Derby as he did in the Fl Derby and BC: He ran 47.1, as the leader ran 46.3..
.and when 3 horses are together at the wire in a slow time, it's usually indicative of bad horses.
good point about the trps
Forever young is the best
Brian Hernandez is the most underrated jockey in North America!!!
He's excellent.
Was the track heavy? The horses all close to the pace, finished like 17, 14, 11, and 15th.
The pace was fast.
@@ptfornatale It was fast yes, but not blazing fast. It was surprising how the front all fell apart.
Hi guys, what are your thought on the early pace of the race. Was it too fast for Fierceness ? Did he tire cause of the early pace of Track phantom ?
Thanks to Joel Rosario for opening up the rail for MD to go through.
I can't say Sierra Leone was best because he lost lost ground and had to check. He routinely creates his own problems because he is slow out of the gate, slow to respond (no tactical speed), and he consistently lugs in in the stretch. That is just who he is. Mystik Dan may be less physically gifted, but he is courageous and does have the tactical speed to hit a hole when the rider asks. But I do think Forever Young was the 'best horse' on the day.
I think you are right that SL is his own worst enemy, the best example being the stretch run. If he stays straight he wins.
Forever young was best horse...
THIS IS LIKE QB MONTANA OUT BRAINED QB MARINO IN THE SUPERBOWL. QB MARINO HAD THE BEST ARM BUT QB MONTANA HAD THE BETTER BRAIN AND KNEW HOW TO KILL THE CLOCK...SO QB MONTANA AND HIS 49RS WON. SAME WITH JOCKEY BRIAN HERNANDEZ...HE SAVED GROUND BY USING THE BO-RAIL SYSTEM JOCKEY BOREL USED TO USE TO WIN DERBYS...AND IT WORKED. EAR CROW LOSER.
That's what I thought.
Hello Peter: Haven't heard anything regarding Fierceness and if there was something physical that arose during the race. Know he hopped a bit at the start and then was rushed up to get the position I thought he would get naturally with a clean break. Still thought he was good enough to absorb that start and was in perfect position at the top of the stretch but that was it and he had nothing. Waiting to hear from connections as to possible issues and what is planned next for the horse.
I don't think there's any excuse -- I think he's a weak horse mentally who is easily thrown off his game. Obviously has a ton of talent but tough to bet on at this point.
JK: Mystik Dan 3rd best? Not so fast. Keep in mind Mystik Dan was nearest to the leaders throughout. . Yes; he received a great ride and covered the shortest distance, but both SL and FY were nowhere near the pacesetters, and closed strongly into a fast early pace. As I’ve said in another comment, SL &/or FY win if SL runs in a straight path. But he didn’t. Any way you cut it, it was a great race. All 3 ran their hearts out and gave us a thrilling finish.
Come on Pete, this was a clean Derby by comparison to others. I'm still not over the Max Security DQ -- dont think that was drastic enough. Either Forever Young or SL was best horse - BJ made the best tactical move.
I thought it was roughly run, even by Derby standards, especially the stretch drive, which changed the outcome of the race.
@@ptfornatale Fair enough, I'm just not convinced of that.
Baffert Beat Ky Derby Winner Soundly in Arkansas Derby but Mystic Dan got a Suspect Trip off a Lifetime highest Beyer Speed Fig. Patterns do Matters LOL❤
Fierceness and track phantom we're bumping each other coming into the stretch, fierceness actually bumped track phantom right into the path of mystic Dan, Brian Hernandez just bowled his way through the rail and track phantom, even tearing his left boot on the rail n knocking track phantom back to his right out of the way of his path to the winner's circle! Incredible ride and that was definitely the winning move of the race, and I believe that was the biggest bump of the race between mystic Dan and track phantom! I'm so glad to track with sloppy Friday because I threw him in on a 2-day pick 3 and got lucky! First derby I've won seems like since monarchos! Bob bafferts been foiling me every year! Glad to finally cash a ticket on the derby!!!
It was an impressive run.
POSTED 3 WEEKS AGO:
Of TP's seven FL Derby winners before 2024, only one of the 5 that contested the KD emerged with a win. Public opinion still has Always Dreaming a lucky winner due largely to the misfortune of Classic Empire.
The average post FL Derby starts for TP's winners is approximately 3. The high being 6 (Always Dreaming) and the low being 1 (Scatt Dady) See summary below:
2007 - Scatt Daddy - 18th in KD retired.
2014 - Constitution - Didn’t Contest the KD (won 1 of 5 races thereafter)
2015 - Materiality - 7th KD (Finished 8th in Belmont and retired)
2017 - Always Dreaming - 1st in KD (Didn’t win in 4 races thereafter - retired)
2018 - Audible - 3rd KD (won 1 of 4 races thereafter and retired)
2021 - Known Agenda - 8th in KD (4th in Belmont then retired)
2023 - Forte - Didn’t Contest the KD (won 1 of 3 races thereafter - retired)
How can the above be used to forecast the fortunes of Fierceness? Let's keep it real. The above is not a flattering record.
Fierceness' in and out pattern of performance, coupled with the record of the barn he will be representing, doesn't suggest this colt should be at the top of any KD list, despite his runaway win in the FL Derby.
Fierceness is an easy bet against in the KD.
NB: Horses do not run Beyers but rather the figures are assigned and have often been changed in the past. Bellamy Road was assigned a 120 after his NTR in the 2005 Wood Memorial. He finished off the board in the KD.
I thought CE was best and AD never won again, did he?
Fierceness would have quit before the eighth pole even with a perfect scenario. JK was way off saying Pharoah and Justify could not warm Fierceness up. How ridiculous. He should be on Late Night Comedy.
Yes. JK came off as arrogant when citing speed fig earned by Fierceness topping all 6 TC races of Justify & AP. Maybe he forgot Andy Beyer's dictum of the importance of understanding the conditions under which a figure was earned.
I don't think he actually said that LOL.
I had Resilience. And while I respect the effort (was counting my money on the turn) and the nice trip Junior worked out, I think from here on out in the Thoroughbred Glossary of Terms, under "Flattened Out," should be the definition: RESILIENCE IN THE KENTUCKY DERBY.
Looked like maybe he didn't want to go that far?
JK is absolutely right Sierra Leone was definitely the best horse coming from where he came from!
Not how I see it but it's an interesting debate.
@@ptfornatalethe best part of this video is when JK says “I have no idea what I’m talking about”. lol mmhhmm
Forever Young surprised me and was really good. Just pls stop trying to defend SL cause he didn’t win and fierceness didn’t run at all from a dream trip. Beyer figs mean nothing in the derby. It’s about trip, luck, ride. You can’t handicap this race like any other race. Mystik Dan got the Arcangelo Belmont trip. It worked out but SL should’ve been taken down.
mystic dan had a nice trip against muth. still lost bye over 4 lengths.
try figuring dan didnt try too hard :>)
In a week and half we get the rematch! Tho I did think MD had some excuses there. Justin Christein covered it in our ITM Plus trip notes.
I picked mystic Dan , due to his sire and dam.
I'm glad it worked out for you.
@@ptfornatale and trainer Kenny Mac owes me one derby 10 years ago .
Thanks for replying.
Forever young was the best horse
the best horse WON
I'm with you, Alejandro.
I can't argue with you too much. Interesting topic.
saez gets so much hype, what happened at the start of the race???
For even the best jock, if a 1000 pound animal isn't cooperating, there's not a ton you can do.
Mystik Dan was the best for this race, bottom line. Could have, should have doesn't count for this outcome. Congratulations to the winning connections for an awesome race. For the record my handicapping was bad for the whole weekend. The excitement of this race helped me forget about that... 😂
That's a good attitude.
Maybe they should reduce the field to 14 horses to give the best horse a better chance to win. Afterall the Oaks field is limited to 14. Also, the Kentucky Derby is the only time in the year when a race is run with 20 horses. When so much can go wrong with such a large field, the best horse doesn't always win. Also, what's the point in having a point system if Churchill Downs won't let all the horses with the most points even enter the Kentucjy Derby? Churchill Downs power trip.
No way! Gimme 20 every year! There's only one of these over here.
Why was Sierra Leone not taking down???
Because Forever Young made the initial/first contact.
Early in stretch SL made a left turn into Forever Young. Stewards loke to avoid doing their jobs apparently. Watch the race.
@@traviswootton4986What race were you watching?
Stewards like to avoid making decisions. That's all I can think of.
Stewards committed malpractice and the Japanese are too polite.
Fierceness was a bigger certainty, than American Pharoah or Justify??? Hilarious! 😂😂😂
I thought that was a strange take myself! But made for good podcast fodder :)
The contact between SL, FY was incidental. Forever Young was not even slightly impeded. No objection, no inquiry says it all.
I am from Jamaica and I was backing mystic dan
Uh, agree to disagree. FY was knocked off stride, bumped repeatedly, and intimidated by jockey arm and whip. Was a 10 out of 10 DQ. Stews were out to lunch and the Japanese are too polite.
I'd like to know how many feet Sierra Leone traveled. He had to run the farthest.
agreed he ran farthest. DOn't think we have trakus data. Sheet numbers, which incorporate ground loss, will be interesting.
Fierceness wasn't American Pharoah. He was Bellamy Road
This is harsh . . .to Bellamy Road, who was much more consistent than Fierceness. And BR ran a MUCH better Derby (only beaten 6-7 lengths).
Had a $10 double 11-3 from Naval power to Mystic Dan Had a $10 ex straight 2,3 and $50 to win on Mystic Dan I’m glad I got something out of it
Lope de Vega's on soft turf.
Yes right your full of BS
Nice work
@@curtisdunn7112 I lost 2/3 bets what you mean full of shit 🤣 I would love to show you my work, I’ve been doing this a while now so if you want to start following me for handicapping help I will be starting a channel soon very soon..
@@ptfornatale It would’ve been nicer if I could’ve cashed more than just the win money on him smh bt being right in the Derby almost makes up for it. Haven’t been right since California chrome feels good to just be right
Tyler gaffe won the dirty contest with sleepy Joe's in the stewards box
Love ya PTF but Forever Young comes way out of his lane on final turn to cause Sierra Leone to check - and I think Forever Young’s jockey did that on purpose bc he felt Sierra Leone coming and then in the stretch Forever Young is the first to come out into Sierra Leone and then Sierra Leone obviously repeatedly comes over. None other than Jerry Bailey says during aftermath of race during broadcast that “Forever Young gave as good as he got.” If Forever Young doesn’t cause Sierra Leone to check - the latter wins the race. Sierra Leone was the best horse followed by Forever Young and Mystik Dan (perfect trip). Randy Moss was whining about Forever Young getting interfered w in part bc Moss’s major narrative prior to race was pro-Japanese. And that narrative is actually correct. One can never out of hand dismiss the Japanese contingent now. I had Forever Young in all my exotics.
Forever Young jockey's decision to avoid kickback cost him the race.
That's crazy. Forever Young ran from behind and took kickback the entire race,
Not sure what you mean, Ricardo?
Question in the stretch run you can see from the front view that the jockey 🏇 of Sierra Leone grabbed the reins of Forever young. Does anyone know why? Looks very shady. Congrats to mystic Dan 🏇 hope to see him in the Preakness stakes.
Yes he grabbed the reins of Forever Young to make his Japanese jockey feel at home. In Japan it is customary to grab the reins of the horse you're passing and say, "michi o hazureru" which loosely translated means, get the f.... out of my way . . .
@@r.t.6128Thanks for clarifying that.🏇👍🏇👍🏇👍
@@Lancer791 LOL
He was trying to get to his left handed whip and just got tangled up imo. Still should have been a DQ for the interference
I would make the case that Mystic Dan was the beneficiary of a golden rail on a track with a relatively high moisture content that was still in the process of drying out. Not too different from the conditions that held in the Southwest.
This may explain why he ran so well while relatively close to the pace.
Given that he saved all the ground and stayed glued to what may have been a golden rail, I think his performance rates no better than 4th best in the race.
BTW: Honor Marie was pinballed so hard at the start he was effectively eliminated from the race.
Track was fast no moisture at that hour. Horse broke maiden at Churchill record time.
4th seems harsh given the dynamics. And I didn't think it was a golden rail, probably worth a little something tho.
@@ptfornatale Fair enough PTF. Catching Freedom got a very similar trip to MD so I'll revise and say 3rd best. If the rail conferred some advantage on a surface that was very tiring, (MD won in spite of a last half mile in about 0:51.83 & CF with his similar rail trip was 4 3/4 lengths ahead of TOP) then SL & FY ran a much better race than MD.
I’m So Doing,Don’t You See Brian Almost Put Saez In The Rail? Trying To Save Ground…
Not sure I saw it that way but will look again.
Fierceness had to be first on the backstretch. I saw the hop as it happened. I knew #17 was done.
He wasn't first in the BC Juvenile and it didn't hurt him. I don't think the tactics were an issues. He just didn't show up, something I said on many occasions was about a 50/50 chance.
It is debatable who was the best, but we are certain that Stewards were the worst......
In that there is no debate!
The Belmont and Travers winner runs this Saturday at Aqueduct...... Conquest Warrior
Nope mindframe!!!!!
Really. Why? He couldn't get by Grand Mo in the FL for show money and he had a perfect trip and 1/2 mile to do it. From that last race you're projecting he wins the Belmont and the Travers
@@r.t.6128 he didn't fire that day. his race before that was awesome. this horse will get better with age and distance.
I'm curious to see how he gets on
Siera leone , made me loose my , 2$ triple, checing!
PTF and JK are industry insiders they will always "softball" everything.
Please elucidate. I've been as harsh as possible on the stewards so not sure what you mean.
@@ptfornatale I feel like you went soft on the stewards decision to make no decision. IMHO, if it was an out of town jockey he would've come down. To me the biggest foul was when Sierra Leone first came down at the 1/4 pole. Playing devils advocate, the stewards may have been to focused on the photos. I like your stuff. You do a nice job. Credit to that guy Phil he got me off Fierceness. Florida Derby was run like an exhibition and not a prep. He got nothing out of it. Fierceness is the perfect Haskell horse hope they ignore the NY bias and send him down our way!
I personally believe 2 & 11 were best. 1 and 1A IMO. Mystik Dan is a legitimate Champion but obviously the ground saved and a track that wasn’t 100% dried out…. I mean shame on bettors if they tossed him completely. But 2 and 11 were the best 2 without a doubt
You know you're a DG when you refer to the Kentucky Derby horses by number -- and I say that lovingly!!
Why was Tyler hand doing over forever young
Horse was lugging in badly and he was trying unsuccessfully to control him
Nbc camera coverage of the race is terrible ,
What didn't you like? Just the lack of a proper head on?
It was impossible to follow the 2 with the switching of the camera angles … on the track version, you were able to see his entire trip … and they never post the final time lol …
And they didn't DQ Sierra Leone because the Japanese horse initiated contact!
Not true at all. SL comes over at least 4 paths.
Forever Young was the best horse. Without the contact by Sierra Leone, he would have won the KD. No need to prop up other horses or trainers. Sierra Leone appears to have physical issues with his lugging in and paddling motion.
If Sierra Leone runs straight he would've had a better shot at winning.
@@GloriousSong24 He seems to have the same lugging in problems as seen in his previous races; whether it is due to lack of seasoning or his training or if he has physical issues, it is hard to know. Given that Forever Young flew in from another continent, after having raced abroad, not having run in this country, and having the bad trip, he appeared to be the best horse on many levels. He seems to have inherited the grit and talent of Sunday Silence.
SL definitely has costly quirks. Not sure if there are physical issues or if he's just green. We shall see in the fullness of time.
@@ptfornatale You might be right; hopefully, it is something that can be straightened out before his next run. Don't know if a different rider would have made a difference but the problem could pose risks for SL and the ones near him. Assume they have done a scan to make sure it is nothing physical. Hard to know why a horse would want/need to lug into the nearest horse, usually down the stretch.
Sierra Leone should ve been DQ,why they DQ Maximun Security with much less contact and not Sierra Leone
Agreed re the DQ
Never forget tht JK said tht american pharoah and justify COULDNT EVEN WARM UP fierceness
Yea that was a ridiculous comment. But JK knows his stuff. He just got a little overboard with the Beyer figures (which I don't ever look at). But these guys are good, and I pretty much can't stand anyone in any sports media capacity, so that says a lot. Horseracing is almost always too tough to ever speak matter-of-factly about. I feel like I had this race figured so good (even had TO Password as like my alternate super/tri horse) and I didn't hit anything. I had so many combos of 2, 3, 4, 10 & 11...but none of the right ones lol
I don't think that happened. Do you have a clip? He said he had more confidence in Fierceness than those two (which is wild enough).
Forever Young ran well Sierra interfered bumping the horse
No doubt.
If Sierra Leone was best why is he lugging in and mugging FY? No excuse for getting checked on the second turn that is the chance you take on a deep closer. Great race IMO!!!!!
It was an exciting finish to be sure. For me SL was third best and that part isn't close. Interesting debate between the top two.
Hernandez Shouted To The Jockey In Front Him And This Jockey Obliged Him By Opening The Rail And Let Him Through That’s Exactly What We Saw, He Was Allowed To Go By The Rails By The Jockey In Front Him,,,,🏰🏆🇯🇲 Mr. KeenObserVatioN PhD,🇯🇲🇺🇸🏰
I don't think that happened.
Final half mile was run in over 52 seconds. A historically slow KYD. Best 3YO was not in Louisville this weekend.
That is not accurate.
This is y'all's worst video. You did not mention the fact Mystic Dan has the mental ability to run through a small hole. You gave Brian all the credit. Did it ever cross your mind this rail ride was planned from the git-go because this horse has a the rare ability to do just that as he displayed in the Southwest. Mystic Dan was the best horse due to this FACT. Later on in the season Just Steel will prove he is one of the best of a poor crop.
I think Just Steel has a lot to prove at this point but I could see him with a valuable prize next to his name. It was a brave effort by MD for sure but he/Brian also got very lucky.
Mr. J.k who is good and i respect. But it was easy that he was going to pk fierceness. J.k likes a horse fast enough and up close. In all his hadicaping. But fierceness and sierra leone were 50 50 with good n somewhat bad things. 2me fierceness had more bad things. J.k the buyers had fierceness 110 mystic dan 101 sierra leone 98 4everyoung between 98n 101 cathing freedom 97. Especially you liking fast hores could of boxed top 5 in super and picked up over 8grand. On to the next race. And 100 buyer in this race means look 4 a new horse in the belmont at saratoga at same distance. Congrats 2 m.d the winnner s.l one of my pks ran great but the best horse was 4everyoung who i didnt pk. He gotcut off at gate by the 12 plus the obvious down strech and i had s.l. no dout he was best.
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JK are you going to pay rene $500 ?
Who is Rene?
Forever young greatest horse in the world
That's a bit of hyperbole to say the least LOL. But I do think he might turn out to be the most interesting dirt three year old.
1. Sierra Leone slams into Forever Young almost toppling Ryusei Sakai 1:50/1:51
2. Tyler Gaffalione straight arm hits Ryusei 1:53
3. Tyler Gaffalione whips Forever Young at least four times 1:58/2:01
Forever Young would have had the race if not for Tyler Gaffalione. Nothing against Mystik Dan or his rider Brian Hernandez, Jr. whom I believe was clueless as to what was happening next to him. Tyler Gaffalione clearly interfered with Forever Youngs race and should be investigated - fined and/or perhaps banned from racing.
I truly believe it was the horse, not Tyler, causing the issues.
Who cares who was best fans and betters only care who wins
Completely not true. People bet on this stuff. Understanding who was best informs future wagers. No clear answer in this case.
Forever Young was best and is better than SL and MD. FY had a slow break ftom gate and lost some position.
For me, getting left not the worst thing in a fast paced race but the stretch run was brutal.
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I thought F looked great all week. Just a no show on the day.
Fy was beating sl that's why he beat the he'll out of fy
Stay away from horse who used "L"
He ran pretty well off L too.
@@ptfornatale Nobody in top 5 ever used "L"
The reason why SL didn't come down and the Japanese jockey didn't lodge a formal complaint was because FY made the initial/first contact. Gafflione was then unable to get SL straightened back out which cost him the race.
Early in stretch SL came in on FY. Japanese Jock did not even know a Jockey could file an Objection. Stewards are negligent. Even if no Objection an Inquiry still can take place. Happens very often.
DEAD F'n Wrong!
They shouldn't have had too -- stewards should have done their jobs.
im so proud of all connections and stewards to not turn the derby in to an every race every bump every drift is going to be objection then endless super HD replays back and forth up and down and some BS change the order decisions. those endless replays on everything has ruined watching college sports and Pro sports as we all know. of course if a horse get knocked over, major things you can see real time or one replay of course need to do a DQ this one no way, let these exhausted horses run to the line and it is what it is. bravo!! was beautiful event and memorable 150th Derby for it.
It was gross. People bet on this stuff and it isn't fair to ignore obvious DQs.
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Sl lost because he kept beating the he'll out of fy
forever young hopped at the start. he would have won easy but not for that.
He got cut off by the 12 at the gate and interfered in stretch. No way wasn't he the best horse and I didn't even pk him . Ur correct.
I love FY and think he was best but I don't think the break was a big deal. Pace was fast and he ran through there efficiently.
I had the ex
Nice. You got very lucky but that's part of the game.
Guys Guys Guys....Rosario caused the race. He shut off Forever Young at the start, and didn't want to keep his horse on the rail before Mystic Dam took the rail.....He's a crook!!!!
This doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
ahould of been placed 3rd. to much contact all way down stretch. probaly.cost forever young the win.mystic Dan was lucky. ok he won. did nothing wrong.if sl. won, wouldn't took this horse down because connections. no.baffert horses in derby. plain dirty did to his owners. watch 2nd tier horses run for roses. expect Bob bring it in.preaknesa. maybe belmont. love see nysos run.
I don't think Nysos is back on the worktab unfortunately.
Silly question. The "best" horse in this race was the WINNER.....as it always is. Everybody else whines and complains.
I'd like to book all your bets in perpetuity.
tyler should be fined and do days for that bullshit . crooked stewards do nothing . reminds me when cordero whipped make change in face when maple drew along side him maplejinsky . horseracing is crooked and fixed
3 days, agreed.
I don't think anything was fixed, just think the stews didn't do their jobs.
There are pictures goin around the internet were Tyler was literally holding or pulling on forever young! Disgusting and disrespectful and disgraceful
I really think Kinchen is just all talk and can't identify longshots who are potential winners in races but just talks about the favorites which are pretty obvious. He was all over Fierceness in all his vlogs and said how the race will be run at a moderate clips in half-mile of 47 or 48 in the derby. He didn't understand the complexion of the race when it comes to the KD. He focused on how Fierceness won the Florida Derby and blah blah blah blah. This dude just talks nonsense in my opinion 🤮
You obviously aren't a regular listener where JK has given out loads of longshots over the years.
@@ptfornatale Name two Peter.
Stewards were just reward SL and Tyler for not let "JAPNESE" horse to win.
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I really wish Yahagi-san had claimed foul. Wonder if he would have if it was for first?