Dawid, the picture mode was set to Cinema mode initially - you need to change that to Game mode. Cinema mode is designed for dark rooms and adds a slightly warm color feel to it. I'm still using a Pioneer Kuro 5010 and the picture is still incredible. AVSForum might have recommended color and sharpness settings for that set.
@@ledidier15042000 I still have my Kuro PDP-5080 & my son was using it to game on until recently. I upgraded my ZT-65 plasma to an LG CX OLED & he immediately offered to buy it. Despite it not being capable of 4K, he loves the refresh rate on it & the picture still looks amazing. Fun fact: when Pioneer folded their display business, it was because the patent trolls at Samsung were falsely suing them. It worked though because Pioneer didn’t have nearly the resources to keep defending themselves in these long, protracted court cases. Samsung’s tactic was to run their competitors out of money in court, then buy up the patents THEY were previously violating. While it worked to fold their competitor, Pioneer had the last laugh when they sold all their IP to Panasonic. That’s also why Panasonic plasmas became the new standard after Kuro & why Samsung never managed to come close to the same level of picture quality.
@@mikeycrackson that would be correct for any other tech than plasma. Game mode is not the same on a plasma as it is with LED, LCD, or OLED tvs. It shouldn’t produce a worse image because things like motion blur aren’t an issue on plasma TVs because of how plasma tech works. The refresh rate on a plasma can’t really be compared to LED, LCD, OLED directly. If it could, the refresh rate would be much higher than the others, between that & the near black pixels are what made plasma images stand out from the other tech.
@@koobs4549 you’re right plasma game mode isn’t like game mode on an oled, but it can indirectly reduce input lag by disabling advanced picture processing modes, like Cinema, Dynamic, Sport, etc.
The first time I saw a plasma tv in 2007 it blew my mind Seeing an amazingly vivid 40 inch plasma after spending most of my life looking at a 19 inch crts was magic
@@darkside59pfft there was a palc tech type of 90s flat panel I never seen but fwiw just read about sometime a few years back from in hs that was purportedly only made for 15 peeps and solf each one for 15k.
Plasma, more than any other TVs, benefit from calibration. I also noticed that in the menu, the color balance had been set to Cinema, which is biased for dark rooms and accurate 'movie' display, rather than gaming. The LG Plasma did, I believe, have a gaming mode, which turns off most of the image processing. Being a TV, it was always designed first-and-foremost for reproducing TV and movie input, and even now, a Plasma has pretty much the best frame-to-frame refresh for HD input, and in a darkened room, make for a great, cheap, cinematic experience. For reference of where my knowledge comes from, I sold TVs and other electronics for ten years at Sears. I watched as the last CRTs disappeared, projection TVs faded away, and TV prices plummet from $4000+ for a 50in dumb Plasma TV down to less than $800 for a 55in smart LED-lit LCD. Plasma TVs deserve a little love, as they brought larger screens to more consumers, and pushed the prices down to more reasonable levels. There was a time when a 60in was an extravagance of the filthy rich. Now you can get a cheap 60in smart TV that outperforms those early TVs by leaps and bounds, and for less than 20% of what those early models would have cost.
There is also a PC mode on all flatscreens which you should always use for gaming as it reduces the input lag from the main board even more than game mode. On Samsung plasma TVs the mode is activated by plugging into HDMI 1 and relabelling the input from HDMI 1 to PC. This reduces the total screen input latency to around 7ms which is faster in reality than most LCDs claiming 1 and 2 ms response times, they are just measuring the time it takes the pixel to light up which in a plasma is 1000 times faster than the activation of the crystal in an LCD pixel hence the better motion clarity. LG are very good with their tuning menus, typically not hiding the colour space controls. On my Samsung those controls have be unlocked but when they are you can dial in the colours with utmost precision, as I have. I am currently thinking of finding a Panasonic neo-plasma or a Pioneer unit as they are still better in 1080P than LCD at 4K.
@@darthwiizius plasma motion clarity is actually not due to response times, it's because the pixels themselves are off between refreshes, similar to a CRT. In fact, LCD panels can manage equal motion quality by strobing the backlight.
@@darthwiizius exactly. I can say first-hand the last gen of Viera was nothing short of amazing. I found two 42 inch units for sale, $50 each. Dude had them in his lounge and never really used them much. Only about a thousand hours on each panel. The quality is wonderful and everything pops. The 50 inch I have has about 20,000 hours on it but is still bright and vibrant
My 2008 Samsung plasma that is still in use part time in the basement had great blacks and really vibrant colors. This TV must be a mess from overuse or just a really bad set from the factory. The downside to high end plasma is they pull as much power as a small city and give off a ton of heat.
Just replaced our old plasma like 2 months ago. I'm confident that the brightness issue doesn't apply to all plasmas, as both our old Panasonic and Samsung TVs were crazy bright and had vibrant colours
I had a 50" plasma for a few years: Nice big (duh), bright image. Visible purple trails on quickly changing pixels though so the inverse of what your camera is showing. Also, the LED I replaced it with used just 25% of the electricity (!) With fuel prices in Europe currently going mad, I would add a large caveat that if you plan on using a plasma to save money - it's going to be a false economy! Would be interesting to see how many watts this is pulling with an Energenie or something. I think mine was 440W peak which is just stupid. Those clunks you heard on start-up were probably some heavy duty capacitors getting ready for lift-off!
@@CoryyJ I'm 100% sure if it was 500+, but after 2-3 hours watching living room temperature were risen few 'c... Amount that even security system temp/smoke sensors picked up... :D Old memory keeps on failing, it was just 460W (100-240V/4.6A) LG 50PG6300-ZA
Dawid: Have you read the thousands of comments talking about changing from Cinema Mode to Game Mode and calibrating the TV well? Yes? Ok, good. Just wanted to make sure 😂
My living room tv is still a plasma, it was one of the later ones and I still think it has the best image out of all my other TVs. It seems brighter and has better colors and the refresh rate is crazy, something like 500hz I believe. The only downside is it's only 720p and the viewing angles are bad when sunlight hits it.
@@mrducky179 it's not that high of a refresh rate, it's very likely 60 HZ actual refresh rate, but it has several frames of black and white. I remember the Hertz Wars in early plasma tvs, and none of them actually supported higher than 60 hertz actual refresh rate, they just had fancy things that made them seem better. Input is still 60 hertz, and the max your content could display on the TV was 60 hertz. Many of them had interlacing with black and white screens, and showing the same image twice, but it was all a giant gimmick. LCD TVs later dropped this when they couldn't actually obtain a better visual image from using these techniques.
@@chubbysumo2230 The "high refresh rates" back then were actually a side effect of how Plasma works. The subpixels were only capable of on and off, so they refreshed extremely fast in order to provide variable value to the illumination by switching on and off extremely fast. The higher the refresh rate, the more quickly the subpixels could be designed to fade on and off without causing massive flicker, and thus the better color reproduction and display response time became. LCDs later on used high refresh rates to produce a motion interpolated image from lower refresh rates, but they didn't benefit from motion interp in nearly the same way that Plasmas benefitted from ultra fast switching.
@@chubbysumo2230 I see, I don't know how they were measured but for plasmas those crazy numbers is what was advertised back then. Regardless the images do seem more smooth when you're viewing sports or fast action scenes so whatever they were doing to cheat the spec it did work to some extent in my eyes. With lcds at least from the same time you could see a blur when viewing fast paced scenes. That's probably not a problem today though.
A plasma naturally has a 460hz refresh rate, whether or not the signal is processed at thst rate is another story, but by very nature of the tech that it's operational refresh rate
as a poor student who’s gamed on old TV’s my whole life. you’ll be surprised how impressed you’ll be by a decade old $200 TV from an $900 4K IPS monitor
I game on a 43" I got used about 14 years ago, I say used but it just had a new screen fitted under warranty where I worked. Paid £100 for it and even though it's no Panasonic neo plasma or Pioneer unit it still pisses all over LCD in motion, colour and contrast. Dawid here doesn't know that screens(all flatscreens) have to dialled in to tight settings for them to come to life. He also bought LG which were gawdawful plasmas as they were just Philips units and Philips never got the hang of HD plasmas, then again only really Panasonic and Pioneer ever did and to a lesser extent at the end Samsung. The clue that Dawid doesn't understand screen tech is that he can't adjust the brightness settings without over powering the screen to the point it starts producing "butterfly" artifacts. People just got used to LCD so they think their image isn't correct unless everything looks neon and has a pause then ghost as it changes frames. BTW Plasmas are 1000 times faster at lighting their pixels than LCD which is why the motion and response are still good, that unit he has there(if he set it right and set it to PC mode) will be around a total of 7ms which is comparable to LCDs that claim 1ms as the response speed becomes governed by the mainboard, if your pixels light up faster than the speed of the mainboard then the mainboard becomes the limiting factor, in the case of plasmas pixel response is moot as no mainboard can run as fast, same with a CRT which is way faster again.
@@darthwiizius aahhm , my omen x27 got under 7ms in total for input lag. compared to a lcd pixel back then, plasma pixel is 3000 times faster but the input lag for gaming back then . . . . puhhhh . also not really measured by anyone may
I have a panasonic plasma tv and it works great, it has some settings for latency and color correction and it is indeed a bit different than lcd or oled, but the model i have was one of the best you could get at that time, it even has a digital tv tuner in it for dvb so honestly a nice experience from something this old!
I've just recently upgraded to an oled from a plasma. Specifically the Panasonic VT50 and it was an amazing TV. I played my series X on it before upgrading and the colour reproduction was excellent, blacks were as good as my oled and input lag was in the low 20ms. All in all and excellent TV for movies and gaming.
I upgraded my ZT65 to an LG CX which was a huge improvement & that’s saying a lot. My son got the ZT65 & despite it not doing 4K, it still looks incredibly sharp & the refresh rate looks on par with a 144hz monitor.
The last time I owned a plasma TV was a 40" 720p. After a couple months of playing battlefield the ammo counter burned in. It's funny how a 720p screen at that size was perfectly acceptable to me back then, and today I wouldn't consider 720p in really anything!
Yeah, the fact that it was used as an info display for like a decade is why it's worn out really badly. They looked better when new. Kinda like what happened with most CRTs that were used for decades, only on a shorter timetable.
I still use the same plasma that I bought brand new back in early 2012. Still works like charm, and no signs of it giving up. The best tv I have used so far. It is a LG 50PV350N, (50 inches) and the black level is magnificent.
I have this TV and have been using it go game on since I purchased it new. Other comments have touched on that there's a gaming mode and you really have to play with your settings to get the best picture, maybe do a recap at some point to show the best case for an old tv like this. Either way, another great video!
Hey! Thanks for the comment. I briefly mentioned it in the video, but I did play around with a whole bunch of the settings and picture profiles. The measurements I showed in the video was the one that measured the best. I also tried game mode, which helped with the input lag a little. (Even though it was already very good). 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Hello! Are you intersted in introducing a gaming projector? It can play games and watch movies, have sent a email to you. Thanks. 😁
I loved my Samsung plasma. It had a 600hz "soap opera" mode, so I'm surprised at input lag... probably caused by image processing. Eventually, it got purple swipes in white sections, but motion wasn't bad. The image was always stunning, most people thought I had a 4k when they saw it, and the contrast was amazing. There is no bad viewing angle with a plasma. It set a high bar for the replacement (Hisense 65U8G)
@@andriandrason1318 600hz sub-field drive is actually better than brute force refresh rate, and it's also totally different to the soap opera frame interpolation, sub-field drive actually modulates the panel @ 600hz or higher, over 2000hz in some later gen versions, this in turn gives the equivalent of 0ms MPRT, a 600hz drive @ 60hz refresh is the equivalent of a 65hz CRT, which is 0ms, later gen Panasonic Plasma monitors had 120hz refresh rates combined with their incredible 2500hz focused field drive panel modulation, this can feel even smoother than the best CRTs @ 200hz, not to mention the Panny monitors could do this @ 1920x1200p, it was literally beyond perfect motion clarity and for gaming nothing matches it as of 2023, not even 1000hz OLED will be able to perform or look as good as those Panasonic plasma monitors, OLED needs to ditch sample and hold for something equivalent to sub-field or focused drive modulation, OLED has so much potential thanks to its instant pixel response, imagine how good it could be with at least 0ms motion resolution @ 8K+, 8K of perfect motion resolution on an RGB-OLED panel should be incredible and do OLED technology the justice it deserves, brute force refresh rates just don't cut it and take matching high frame rates for the refresh rate to equal a decent motion resolution anyway, which means it's no good for 60hz content, which is 90% of my and most people game library.
I have a 63" high end(back then) plasma standing by the wall, too heavy to move alone, 97 kilo or ~214 murican. It was great on winter as it acted as a heater in the cold winters here in scandinavia....wanted to repair it by changing caps, but need a soldering iron that is much more effective as it take 10 min to warm up one tin lead blob....and it is too heavy to carry down to first floor
The brightness setting on some of these TV's is actually more like a gamma setting, which could be why your image was so flat, if you're at like ~1.0 average gamma the image will have no punch to it at all. Some very basic calibration (like getting that white point close to 6500) would probably help this TV out immensely even if it's not bright. 80 nits is still pretty bright in a completely dark room (movie theaters typically sit around 30-50nits, but dark room treatment, etc helps the image pop more) Plasma TV's aren't as good at ANSI contrast compared to LCD. CRT is even worse at ANSI (100-150:1 generally) but I don't think it's a very realistic test. A more accurate contrast test would be a 10% white or grey window or just straight up native contrast (measuring native contrast on modern LCD TV's is not great because of dimming, etc). The most noticeable scenes where higher native contrast comes into play when most of the image is dark. Of course OLED is still much better overall, but these older plasmas when set up right were a much better choice compared to LCD's at the time. Edit: Another thing to note with some of these plasmas even though they accepted 1080p input they were actually only 1024x768 native resolution. That does not look like 1080p to me during the screen measurements section. 9:40
Movie theaters 30-50 nits, what are you on? HDR standards are 1000 nits or above. Maybe a scene can be 50 nits but that's different from full white brightness. This 80 nits is probably the full white measurement, which is extremely dim, around the minimum setting of some today's LCD monitors.
@@rtyzxc HDR in cinema is brighter but it's still no where near 1000 nits. It's generally between 100-108 nits peak, 1000 is simply not possible on such a large screen right now with compromising black level floor, the hardware is simply not there yet. The metadata is trimmed for cinema specifically. I can't seem to post links, but you can look up how the trimming works on Dolby Vision Cinema, etc. The next step for cinema will likely be 500 nits. And just for personal opinion, I have an Epson UB6050 and a 65" LG C2, even though the OLED has much deeper blacks and is significantly brighter, the Epson at ~100nits on low lamp and calibrated (velvet curtains on the walls) is just so much more engaging to watch at 120".
@@daytimerocker3808 That will be 1024x768 native, most of the work would be done by the Scalar. 1080i is 540p over alternating frames; the set would then do some scaling on it. The set would have looked much better with a 720p signal.
i recently got a krp-500m used for €100, definitely one of the best purchases of my life, back when it was released it was the best display on the market, and currently it is still the reference for 1080p SDR, compared to oled the max whole screen brightness is lower, black levels are only worse in direct sunlight, else its comparable, and local brightness spikes like explosions look arguably better on the plasma, one thing to note is that a lot of these screens have viewing modes that mess up the image in the name of "improvement", if you go to input settings and change the hdmi input from TV to PC(its a setting) you can finally see why this screen has the best color accuracy on the market for 1080sdr content
I remember plasma TV being very much superior to the large rear projector type TV that was the large format successor. You could get a 32in CRT, but you could also get a 50+in rear projector TV. The colors on those projector tvs was so dull.
The projector tvs were blurry, even the visuals of the digital channel and volume display looked blurry, the picture quality only looked as good as how clean you kept the mirrors on the inside and even then the picture still looked soft and blurry. I think they were upscaling the projection to obtain the size at a sacrifice to quality, only thing I can see going on with those tvs.
4:29 The horror.....the horror... On a series note, the brightness setting actually controls the video black, not the output brightness, which is why the TV appears flat and has messed up gamma. It's actually very common for TVs to describe brightness as it's black level control. Almost all plasmas don't allow you to adjust the nits of the TV, with the exception of certain samsung plasmas, but doing so messes up gamma tracking and are meant to be kept at max brightness.
This is hilarious. I have the identical 50" plasma in my basement to this thing but it's branded Zenith. I bought it on black Friday many moons ago at Sears for $500. She is still kickin.
Same here... Rebranded as Zenith. I believe we got it as a father's day sale. It's been living in a spare bedroom for years. Only thing that has gone wrong was power supply board died, but was easy fix.
Up until a year ago I was using the Pioneer Elite 60" plasma, the very first 1080p plasma model ever built. That tv had the best color rendering, deep blacks, nice grays, and it felt like a space heater when it was running, lol. Beautiful for gaming and an excellent response time, like 600hz, for fast motion. Lasted over 15 years and the picture was just as great as the day I bought it.....on sale.....for $6000.....normally $10,000.
We used to have such a 50" plasma screen in the office. The yellowing of the picture is often just a yellowing of the foil on top of the screen, which has to be there so you don't get a nice sunburn in front of the screen.
Nice video. I myself run a Panasonic Viera 42" Plasma TV as my bedroom TV. The one which was mentioned at 6:23 in the text. This TV was purchased in 2010. Panasonic had the best plasma screen back then, because they were the inventor and main producer. I guess it was a similar situation to today with LG and the OLEDs. In fact, plasma was kinda of the predecessor to OLED, as you mentioned. Great black levels but really glossy and not suitable for a bright room. Which is not surprising if you realize that the first layer is a giant plexi glass sheet. Anyways, back in the day, plasma had much better colors than LCDs and input lag was way better. My old Panasonic still has a better image than the 4K LED-TV from Phillips in the living room. White is not an issue at all on this specific TV. It still is really great for gaming (there is a PC, an XBOX and a PS connected to it). I would have to buy a 1500 € OLED to get a similar image quality. Also, because I use it with a bit of caution, I never had a problem with burn in. And that thing is durable. 2 LCDs allready died in the lifetime of that plasma. Imo, you should get a LCD-TV from the same era and compare them side by side and/or get a really high end plasma and compare it to an OLED. Then you will see why many ppl still hold on to their plasmas.
Yeah, at the time, top of the heap A+ model was Pioneer (if you had the big bucks), then it was pretty much Panasonic at like a B+ and Samsung like a B/B+ (depending on the model). All of other plasmas were kinda meh as far as I know. My daughter is a huge Hatsune Miku rhythm game fan and swears the input lag is lower on our Panny plasma is still lower than either of our LG OLEDs (my wife has it in her living room).
Still rocking a 55" 1080p Samsung plasma in the living room. Don't know how old it is but probably close to 15 years or so, from back in the day when LCD TV's were slow and prone to ghosting, especially for watching sports or fast moving action movies. Still using it because it still works and I am too cheap to replace something just for fun.
many years ago i asked my parents if they knew someone who had a tv they would give away, so i could game on it. today i learned that it was a plasma tv. ngl plasma is the best for gaming
I had a Panasonic TX-P60ZT60, which was Panasonics last (2013) flagship, and used it for my HTPC/Gaming machine. I have had only plasmas since my Hitachi 42PD5200 purchased in 2005 and have sworn to the technology until OLED came so now I have an LG OLEDCX65. For big screen gaming only plasmas could give the low input lag needed for fps and driving games which I enjoy. It is necessary to turn off all post processing for lowest input lag, which you have to do manually unless it has a 'Gaming' picture preset.
Those analog ports and the bluriness of the image sound like an amazing combination for a retro gaming setup, ever considered hooking an N64 to it to see what it is like?
Composite signal corruption makes the PS1 dithering "smooth"; I only used a shitty cheap hdmi to composite signal box, but even on non-crts, old games look as if they had some nice smooth Anti-aliasing at seemingly none of the cost.
@@niewazneniewazne1890 Scart RGB is a thing. Funnily enough the reason that Nintendo didn't put RGB scart on their consoles and especially the SNES was because of the distortion from composite and Svideo standards, those lovely early transparency effects seen in games like Kirby 3 become lost when you do an RGB conversion as each pixel becomes sharpened and individually visible. On the SNES mini Nintendo had to write new code for those effects to be recreated through HDMI feed.
Nah. N64 and PS1 are still best on a SD CRT that can properly do 240p. Otherwise you're better off finding a good scaler so it can actually look good on a Plasma or a modern LCD
@@niewazneniewazne1890 Try using a wii. The main issue with those HDMI to composite adapters is that they can't do 240p and are limited to 480i. Most older games from the N64 and PS1 and older output a 240p signal not a 480i signal. This was done by alternating the lines a CRT draws so that each of the lines is drawn on the same field producing a progressive scan image while outputting half the resolution of the display
@@crestofhonor2349 I had a dreamcast, from what I remember, the composite image was extremely dark, while the VGA signal was just clean asf. Especially that my monitor would do nearest scaling it didn't bother me that much, the image was pretty sharp and didn't bother me all that much.
Even there he would make the dumbest newbie mistake there is: Turning the Brightness setting all the way UP! :facepalm Icannot fathom, how stupid of a mistake that is, not to knoe, what the "Brightness" in TV menus is for. Christ!
I did most of my Xbox 360 and Xbox One gaming on a 60" LG plasma, that is still the main TV in the living room. I've never really had an issue with burn in or color being off, it still works perfectly to this day. I honestly wish plasma was still being made, with my eyes (old) I feel like the color and refresh rate are better than most modern TVs. This TV you got was an entry level model, higher end models looked so much better.
plasmas could have been a hidden gem for gaming if they had universal support for higher input refresh rates, but being limited to HDMI standards of the time pretty much meant being stuck with 50/60Hz, and, IIRC, only some of the last/highest end models could achieve 100+Hz input/output (basically good luck trying to snag one of those for a bargain)
Reason for that is.... You pushed brightness up. That is for black level. You washed picture up. Turn up contrast, not brightness. Bad presentation from you. Next time - Try it on Pioneer Kuro
I got a 12 year old 50 inch Panasonic plasma tv in a bedroom that still looks great. It was highly rated at the time and still has a great picture. No major burn in issue and a bright screen.
I love gaming on plasma TV's. Even though the one I used to use was only 720p, the color saturation you can achieve on a plasma is incredible. Edit: that is either not the best example of a plasma tv or your settings are wack. The I think Panasonic one I used was the most colorful screen I have ever laid my eyes upon.
As mentioned by others, on TV's in particular over monitors, TVs like to add post processing to 'improve' picture quality. This additional processing takes a certain amount of time and adds latency. Any setting on the TV to disable these features can help you reduce latency.
Hello, Dawid. Just wanted to say, I recently discovered your channel and not only have I really been enjoying your content, but your personality and enthusiasm are infectious! It's too bad you can't snag an LED-powered Samsung DLP to test, something like the 61/67a750. They were amazing for gaming, with an incredible image and great motion as long as you weren't sensitive to the DLP rainbow effect. Anyways, take care, and thanks again for the great vids!
For low input lag you have to put it into game mode, made a pretty big difference for me I have a slightly damaged one I found for free, works great. Pretty good colors even though it's from about 2011. Technically a smart TV too with streaming services built in and possibly a web browser but I don't have the remote and it's probably awfully slow. Modern smart TV are not fast, I would assume an ancient one ain't very fast either. Edit: it also weighs like 120 pounds and is all metal, and I carried it home in the snow. WHY ARE THEY SO HEAVY.
You know what, i don't know but there's a possibility it might surprise you. Like it's not going to be fast fast, but today's TVs reuse lowest end tablet chips. Back in the day, i worked in automotive and we actually had some fairly feisty SoCs for the high end headunits, needed a bit of cooling, they weren't super power efficient or particularly cheap, and as expensive as those TVs were and their power requirements as well, those would make an adequate fit.
@@SianaGearz I believe the TV draws 95 watts, not super power efficient. I don't even have a remote to interface with the os, my guess is it has Netflix and Hulu and some other stuff, but super out of Date versions. If I ever find a remote that works for it I'll check it out, it might even have an app store if I'm lucky. I believe the TV was like 2500$ in 2012.
I have 2 pioneers Kuro 50" plasms sets. Both still run excellently and have no burn-in or faded colors. I have a Vizio 65" OLED and comparing the two is apples to oranges. The best way is to think of plasma like a vinyl record with its textured deep colors while the OLED has crazy sharpness, brightness, and detailed contrasts.
Thanks for another amazing and fun video, Dawid. You should definitely try a better plasma that wasn't turned on for 8hrs+ a day for 10 years. Plasmas can lose intensity and color accuracy over time. Back in the day plasmas were notorious for deep blacks and substantially higher contrast ratios vs other current technologies. This one is definitely showing its age. Hope you do and very much looking forward to the comparison!
I absolutely loved my old LG plasma. Super quick response times, deep blacks, good at scaling lower quality sources, and back then no consoles and few PC's were pushing 4k gaming. I really don't remember the colors being nearly as muted as your display.
Hey Dawid, Samsung and LG didn't make the greatest plasmas. If you wanted the best, you needed to buy a Panasonic. Other companies didn't come remotely close to Panasonic's image and build quality, at least when it came to Plasmas. Panasonic not only made the best panels, but they had the best processing back then too, at least for watching tv and movies. Other companies might have had quicker processing for games. This LG seemed pretty good for that. Other brands were pretty equal when it came to LCDs. Plasmas technically run between 400 too 600 Hz refresh rate, but its effectively 60 Hz. There's a lot of smoothing going on and I don't fully understand it, but they were nice to game on. Also, about the flicker, this TV probably needs some work. The capacitors are likely dying. These TVs generate tons of heat because they're incredibly power hungry. It's not uncommon for them to consume 200 watts in an hour. An LED backlit LCD consumes half that amount. Since this TV was likely running constantly as a digital sign, add in the high heat, and that may be the cause of the flicker you were getting.
"Consuming 200 watts in an hour" does not make physical sense, just saying. It's arguably even worse though. The 42" 720p Panasonic my parents used to have would often be in the 200-300 W range, and it was not uncommon to see larger FHD models draw around 500 W. Even the CCFL-backlit LCDs of the day needed much less power, those with LEDs are on another planet.
I’m watching this video on a Panasonic plasma. I remember I did a did a few weeks worth of research before buying it back in the day. It’s still a pretty good tv today.
I have both, this LG and a Panasonic Viera from the same year. My Panasonic has a slight logo burn-in. The LG is flawless. Colour gamut and contrast: splitting hairs. Both are great and I can't tell the difference. Sound is a tad better on the Panasonic. It is also a bit darker with less reflection. But that comes at the cost of power use. The 50 inch LG consumes less than the 42 inch Viera. I think the LG does 150W on avarage, the Panasonic is like 200W.
I used to sell Plasma TV’s back in the day in a high end Hi-Fi shop. When we used them we had line doublers and would used either Panasonic or Pioneer as they produced the best pictures…however if you want to see a truly magical image find a tube TV made by either: Loewe B&O When Plasma was selling well B&O and Loewe both had hand picked Phillips tubes and I don’t think I have ever seen a better image. I currently have a 4k OLED and 4K projector 📽 I still think about how good the last of the high end tube TV’s were.
There is a B&O tube TV out there with a 28” screen and a motor in the base to make it spin, that TV had a picture so good it looked 3D! A friend and fellow dealer had one in his house and it cost a fortune but as I say, I can’t remember a better image….ever!
Still using 2 samsung plasmas. They are pretty good. Overall light settings can also be controlled at least on my set by the eco settings and cell light. Would love to see a follow up video with a factory reset and a universal remote (cheap $10 non smart one will work) which would make things so much easier.
I remember playing Killzone 3 on my rents Panasonic 50” plasma. Even to this day I remember how good it looked. At the time these TVs were fantastic. If you’ve managed to get a high end one there was really nothing better at the time
I actually fixed my ex girlfriends parents massive panasonic plasma tv and that was back in 2016 and I still have that tv to this day for my basement. Works great and never had any issues with it. Yeah it leaves a burn into the screen if you leave an image on for too long but the tv has a software built in that basically wipes the burn away. Definitely worth checking out a more higher end plasma in the future Dawid!
Yeah, am still using a plasma, a Panasonic TX-P50VT20E to be exact! I have to say that normally, you perform very good tests Dawid, but this time, it was sadly a big short circuit with whole the video! For the first, if you shall review a unit as example for a whole specific tech, you don´t take a basic one that not even was good when it was produced, you take a hell good unit to get the full understanding of the tech as is! What you need, is as you said it yourself, you need a high end one, cuz now, you have literally taken a old Lada from 70´s Soviet Union and let it be example for the entire car industry! However, be careful when you buy one, cuz there is plasmas that have a good low input lag, but there is ones that are truly terrible as well, my one for example has a input lag of 15ms! Keep your eyes open for 2010 to 2013 Panasonic plasmas in the premium segment, and you will get a whole new picture of what a good plasma actually means, the TX series, is a good plasma, so keep your eyes open and make a new video when you have gotten one! Much love!💝 /L
Also you need to take into consideration the technology used. Plasmas use phosphorus technology much the same as the good ol crt witch is why it looks grey. Also the noise in the image is due to the analogue conversion needed to get the image to display in the first place. But the higher end plamas do have quite the deep black level and manage to mosly eliminate that grey look of the phosphate. So the pixels wear out in the same way that a crt does . So basically its a high tech crt but not a crt. Kind of.
I think that you got a junk TV. I have a Panasonic 50 inch plasma from 2010, and colors, black, and white levels look better than the LG C1 OLED in the living room. There’s also less ghosting on the Xbox with the plasma, too. The resolution is better on the LG, of course, but everything else is better on the Panasonic.
Man, I just LOVE how plasma TV look. Something about them is very pleasing to the eye for me. Sadly had to got rid of mine 5 or so years ago. Got quoted absolute insane amount to fix it in few different places.
1:18 lol I litterally had that (type of) tv, only reason I got rid of it was the ridiculous power consumption but the image was pretty good and especially motions where very fluent.
The real reason why they stopped making plasma TVs is because they were much more expensive to make and more difficult than their regular flatscreen counterparts
YEAH AND HE NEVER SAW A KURU OR A VT50, 55 INCH OR EVEN BETTER BY TAD, THE LAST PANASONIC ZT60 OT ZT65 ... I am on a VT50 - 55 INCH RIGHT NOW FROM A KURU AND LAUGHING AT HIS IGNORANCE!! MINE BEATS ALL LEDS AND SOME OLEDS... ALSO 24 TO 96 HERTZ...
@@ReganMarcelis I've only owned a 55 inch Plasma Panasonic Viera and that fucker had amazing picture quality and the audio quality and how loud it could get was phenomenal
I got this yesterday and I can really recommend the LG. When I picked it up, I hooked up a laptop with some demo clips and at first the image was very flat and lacking colour. But then I went into the expert menu. The sellers said "wow, we never knew this TV could look so good". They had been looking 13 years to a greyish THX image. The contrast was set too low, the saturation was low, and worst the gamut was set to small. The TV had absolutely no burn in after 13 years and after a proper setup the colour and contrast is insane. It is at least 100% DCI P3 coverage, maybe even more towards AdobeRGB. I popped in Katamari and Sonic Racing Transformed on my PS3 and WOW. Just WOW. This is the most amazing displaying of Katamari I've ever seen. Sound is indeed a bit on the flat side, missing some bass, but hey, this thing is cheap as heck and totally awesome. And regarding brightness, it is more than bright enough. Remember 2 things: full screen white is limited due to EU energy regulations, but no issue on mixed level images. And the tube is rather grey and very reflective. But in a darkened room, this is absolutely no issue, and you will experience a picture on par with OLED.
I use a 42 inch plasma tv as a pc monitor and this one is actually 1080p, thing is a beast, colors pop, the whites look great and it gets surprisingly pretty bright.
I have a 42 inch Samsung plasma that is still going. I bought it from a company that refurbishes electronics over 13 years ago and it is still going! It is relegated to our bedroom but no burn in. It is quite heavy at about 88 lbs. so it sits on our chest of drawers.
I still have the 42" variant of the one in the video. I've mainly kept it because it works well for tv things. I keep it in my kids room and it's basically theirs to use. Much better picture quality than the $350 4k Phillips bought from walmart a few years ago, I've seen better color on water-logged newspapers from the 80's.
A buddy of mine had a 42” plasma TV and the picture was ridiculously good. The white levels did leave a little bit to be desired but it was very pleasing to watch content with and game on.
Hi there Samsung 64" plasma TV user here the colors are nice and vibrant on ours and the brightness isnt much of an issue. The yellow trail is visible on fast moving objects but ofc not anywhere near what the camera is seeing it kinda gives it an interlaced refresh rate type of feel Power consumption is more than a fricken rtx 3070 at 567w lmfao ill edit this comment and list the exact model of our tv later when I find it
1:05 I have that same trolley 😂🤪!!! Dawid breaking his back for our enjoyment 😅😂🤣🤪👍 the right plasma model and some calibration will definitely improve that washed out look 😇👍
oh, that‘s my TV! I also was quite shocked when I first got it out of the box and tried to play some Skyrim on it back in 2012. The image was so dark and drab, playing any dungeon was nearly impossible. Then I calibrated it and now it‘s a great screen, mainly for movies and slower console games though since what irks me most is the input latency.
Used to get these all the time at Goodwill, a lot would have burn in you could see in the glass but the ones that worked did look decent. This was years ago but we were selling them for like $80, not too bad if you know what you're getting into. Apparently the Pioneer Kuro ones were the height of plasma technology but never ran into one of those.
When Plasma hit the market it was head and shoulders above the LCD displays of the day. For Plasma TV's that haven't been turned on for 80 hours a week for twelve years their picture quality stands up well to your run of the mill modern TV. They can't stand against OLED or Quantum dot displays, but they still do surprisingly well against your typical AliExpress TV.
I had a 60" Panasonic ZT series plasma. I used it for years before updating to 4k a few years ago. Panasonic were the kings of plasma and the one I had was basically their swan song before they pulled the plug on the technology. I loved plasma. Deep blacks (for the time). Response times that rivaled CRTs. Great viewing angles. Once you got the ZT calibrated correctly the colors were fantastic and blew away the LCD and LED technology of the time. OLED was out there. But it was very niche and extremely expensive. But plasma peaked. It couldn't get any better. They weren't very efficient. They would burn-in. They were heavy as hell. They didn't get very bright. They were expensive and difficult to manufacture. So I don't miss it. But I do look back on it fondly. Oh, and my ZT is still being used to this day by my parents.
All the power consumption, heat generation and weight of a CRT, in only about half the footprint of a CRT! LOL I was a salesman in a high end A/V shop in the learly 2000s, when Plasma TVs were just entering the market. I still remember having to relocate the LG panels, 'cause they didn't stand up well against the others. Not that anyone was looking at anything LG, anyway, as the memories of Lucky Goldstar were still fresh on our demographic's minds. The Sony Bravia 46" was one of our best sellers, at nearly USD $15,000 when it launched in our shop. The image quality was unmatched, to the point that we requested a second display from Sony to set up in our dedicated home theater demo room, ditching the larger Mitsubishi DLP rear projection megalith (another segment leader). Good memories~
Rocking a 50 inch Samsung plasma. It's part of my streaming setup. I run two PC's with gaming Rig on a 1440P 27 inch screen and second PC that is streaming is connected to the Plasma.
i had a UT50, one of the best panels plasma ever had. the image was better than any non-oled tv nowadays. i love the 'grain' effect from plasma tvs, they switch on or off in very fast velocity to make the shades from black to white and between them.
I've been hunting for the perfect plasma TV for about a year and finally found it. 50" flagship Panasonic from 2010 that was sitting in someone's guest house (must be nice lol) which means super low hours. No burn in and I got it for dirt cheap. Plasmas still hold their own, especially with viewing angles and blacks. The only downside is the flickering that was mentioned but you really have to focus on it to notice. No plans for gaming but if you want to, switch the picture setting to "game mode". Improves the image a TON. Just be careful about burn in with games that have huds.
I wish TVs still had RCA/Composite inputs as standard on high quality TVs, just for retro gaming. *shrug*. It'd be a half decent reason to keep this around if the input lag isn't bad.
I used to tell everyone this when plasma TV is still a thing: if you usually watch TV in dark room, get a plasma. If you watch in a well lit room, get the LCD. Oh, don't worry about burn in. Just switch off the TV for a few days. The plasma cell will slowly became inactive, well, at least for those that use back firing UV ray gun.
I used to game on a 42" Sony Bravia TV. Didn't have any problems with it, except when exiting games (or from watching fullscreen videos), all the text were messed up, until I turned the TV off and back on. Now I game, and compute on a 49" LG LED TV. No more problems.
I still have the LG 55PA5500 plasma and I love the crisp vibrant display. I see LED TVs today and cringe at the black levels, motion blur, artificial smoothing, and viewing angles. They are brighter though, so I guess that's good?
I still use a 50" samsung plasma and compared to everyone's tv if seen for myself i still think it looks amazing. Ive never noticed any flicker or input lag whatsoever (pc, ps4 pro, and xbox1). Our living room is pretty bright and i think my tvs brightness is pretty damn good. We still had to get blackout curtains because of the reflections however. I think you just got a cheap model dawid
finally on the reverse side of the monitor viewing experience. I'm normally looking at better monitor on my 1080p 75hz display. now I'm viewing a 720 plasma through it . I just need the internet from the city and I can watch in greater than 240 p.
Had a friend that always had the greatest TV tech around 2003-2012 and he had the Panasonic. Was never there to watch stuff in the day time to comment on its brightness but damn at night it blew my peasant LCD out of the water. Then again he spent like 3k + on his tv vs my 1k. IT was for sure way better during its era then the rest
I'm still using a 50" Panasonic plasma I bought new 14 years ago and I'd say it stands up to most TV's out there today, the only downside I have is the electricity draw at over 500w
Must have been around 2013/2014, the time when 4K got started for consumer TVs products. They had one hell of a monstrosity of a plasma TV in one of the local electonics stores, standing next to it it was close to shoulder height on a pedastal (and I'm pretty sure it in fact was one of the first 4K displays they had). Standing half a meter away I felt the heat warming my arm, think it was classed above 1kW/h.
Dawid, the picture mode was set to Cinema mode initially - you need to change that to Game mode. Cinema mode is designed for dark rooms and adds a slightly warm color feel to it. I'm still using a Pioneer Kuro 5010 and the picture is still incredible. AVSForum might have recommended color and sharpness settings for that set.
Yes, as you pointed out it is in the wrong mode. Dawid, seriously suggest you do a factory reset on the display.
Still using a kuro ? That’s awesome ! Got a PDP-615 by Pioneer back in the days, this thing was so great ! 😎
@@ledidier15042000 I still have my Kuro PDP-5080 & my son was using it to game on until recently. I upgraded my ZT-65 plasma to an LG CX OLED & he immediately offered to buy it. Despite it not being capable of 4K, he loves the refresh rate on it & the picture still looks amazing. Fun fact: when Pioneer folded their display business, it was because the patent trolls at Samsung were falsely suing them. It worked though because Pioneer didn’t have nearly the resources to keep defending themselves in these long, protracted court cases. Samsung’s tactic was to run their competitors out of money in court, then buy up the patents THEY were previously violating. While it worked to fold their competitor, Pioneer had the last laugh when they sold all their IP to Panasonic. That’s also why Panasonic plasmas became the new standard after Kuro & why Samsung never managed to come close to the same level of picture quality.
@@mikeycrackson that would be correct for any other tech than plasma. Game mode is not the same on a plasma as it is with LED, LCD, or OLED tvs. It shouldn’t produce a worse image because things like motion blur aren’t an issue on plasma TVs because of how plasma tech works. The refresh rate on a plasma can’t really be compared to LED, LCD, OLED directly. If it could, the refresh rate would be much higher than the others, between that & the near black pixels are what made plasma images stand out from the other tech.
@@koobs4549 you’re right plasma game mode isn’t like game mode on an oled, but it can indirectly reduce input lag by disabling advanced picture processing modes, like Cinema, Dynamic, Sport, etc.
The first time I saw a plasma tv in 2007 it blew my mind
Seeing an amazingly vivid 40 inch plasma after spending most of my life looking at a 19 inch crts was magic
The first plasma TV I've seem was back in 2002 at circuit city. If it recalled, it was a 32" and was priced at $20k
@@darkside59 I was 8th grade and a rich kid had it in his home
Seeing the screen was like a magic window with the colors pumped to 11
@@darkside59pfft there was a palc tech type of 90s flat panel I never seen but fwiw just read about sometime a few years back from in hs that was purportedly only made for 15 peeps and solf each one for 15k.
Plasma, more than any other TVs, benefit from calibration. I also noticed that in the menu, the color balance had been set to Cinema, which is biased for dark rooms and accurate 'movie' display, rather than gaming. The LG Plasma did, I believe, have a gaming mode, which turns off most of the image processing. Being a TV, it was always designed first-and-foremost for reproducing TV and movie input, and even now, a Plasma has pretty much the best frame-to-frame refresh for HD input, and in a darkened room, make for a great, cheap, cinematic experience.
For reference of where my knowledge comes from, I sold TVs and other electronics for ten years at Sears. I watched as the last CRTs disappeared, projection TVs faded away, and TV prices plummet from $4000+ for a 50in dumb Plasma TV down to less than $800 for a 55in smart LED-lit LCD. Plasma TVs deserve a little love, as they brought larger screens to more consumers, and pushed the prices down to more reasonable levels. There was a time when a 60in was an extravagance of the filthy rich. Now you can get a cheap 60in smart TV that outperforms those early TVs by leaps and bounds, and for less than 20% of what those early models would have cost.
There is also a PC mode on all flatscreens which you should always use for gaming as it reduces the input lag from the main board even more than game mode. On Samsung plasma TVs the mode is activated by plugging into HDMI 1 and relabelling the input from HDMI 1 to PC. This reduces the total screen input latency to around 7ms which is faster in reality than most LCDs claiming 1 and 2 ms response times, they are just measuring the time it takes the pixel to light up which in a plasma is 1000 times faster than the activation of the crystal in an LCD pixel hence the better motion clarity. LG are very good with their tuning menus, typically not hiding the colour space controls. On my Samsung those controls have be unlocked but when they are you can dial in the colours with utmost precision, as I have. I am currently thinking of finding a Panasonic neo-plasma or a Pioneer unit as they are still better in 1080P than LCD at 4K.
@@darthwiizius plasma motion clarity is actually not due to response times, it's because the pixels themselves are off between refreshes, similar to a CRT. In fact, LCD panels can manage equal motion quality by strobing the backlight.
@@darthwiizius exactly. I can say first-hand the last gen of Viera was nothing short of amazing. I found two 42 inch units for sale, $50 each. Dude had them in his lounge and never really used them much. Only about a thousand hours on each panel. The quality is wonderful and everything pops. The 50 inch I have has about 20,000 hours on it but is still bright and vibrant
My 2008 Samsung plasma that is still in use part time in the basement had great blacks and really vibrant colors. This TV must be a mess from overuse or just a really bad set from the factory.
The downside to high end plasma is they pull as much power as a small city and give off a ton of heat.
Good, for the winter.
Not necessarily. This particular one seems to be drawing around 250W under normal circumstances.
ACUERDATE QUE SIEMPRE HAY VENTAJAS Y DESVENTAJAS...PERO EL PLASMA ES EL MEJOR TELEVISOR FABRICADO...JAMAS NUNCA..POR LA FAZ DE LA TIERRA...
@@baron8103 The absolutely are the best ever, ever!
My 65” panasonic plasma pulls 850watts but i think it said more than that under heavy load cirmustances
Just replaced our old plasma like 2 months ago. I'm confident that the brightness issue doesn't apply to all plasmas, as both our old Panasonic and Samsung TVs were crazy bright and had vibrant colours
I can vouch for panasonic, LG plasmas not so much.
Like CRT's they will fade over time.
Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas were where it's at. Lucky Goldstar is hot garbage.
@@MarginalSC yes, though the Panasonic has been used for almost 10 years, and it never did. Had a blue pixel though
@@bara555 I've definitely heard of the Kuros getting darker over time. Good yours held up tho.
HDMI isn't really an indicator of age anymore, my 2005 TV has one.
I had a 50" plasma for a few years: Nice big (duh), bright image. Visible purple trails on quickly changing pixels though so the inverse of what your camera is showing. Also, the LED I replaced it with used just 25% of the electricity (!) With fuel prices in Europe currently going mad, I would add a large caveat that if you plan on using a plasma to save money - it's going to be a false economy! Would be interesting to see how many watts this is pulling with an Energenie or something. I think mine was 440W peak which is just stupid. Those clunks you heard on start-up were probably some heavy duty capacitors getting ready for lift-off!
If I recall right I had similar LG 50" on Finland, and it was rated around 500~550W... Space heater...
@@sasiuru A 500w+ TV?! I had no idea plasmas we're that power hungry.
@@CoryyJ I'm 100% sure if it was 500+, but after 2-3 hours watching living room temperature were risen few 'c... Amount that even security system temp/smoke sensors picked up... :D
Old memory keeps on failing, it was just 460W (100-240V/4.6A) LG 50PG6300-ZA
Yep, a 50" will be anywhere from 300 to 500w.
@@CoryyJ some were up t0 1.5kw. Don't need any heating in the house, the tele done it all by it self. :)
Dawid: Have you read the thousands of comments talking about changing from Cinema Mode to Game Mode and calibrating the TV well? Yes? Ok, good. Just wanted to make sure 😂
Don't bother. You cannot calibrate this TV to a decent image. Get a Panasonic instead.
This guy set "brightness" to 100 and uses plasma in bright room and then complains about flat image. Calibration might be out of his competence.
My living room tv is still a plasma, it was one of the later ones and I still think it has the best image out of all my other TVs. It seems brighter and has better colors and the refresh rate is crazy, something like 500hz I believe. The only downside is it's only 720p and the viewing angles are bad when sunlight hits it.
wait what? 500hz tv?
@@mrducky179 it's not that high of a refresh rate, it's very likely 60 HZ actual refresh rate, but it has several frames of black and white. I remember the Hertz Wars in early plasma tvs, and none of them actually supported higher than 60 hertz actual refresh rate, they just had fancy things that made them seem better. Input is still 60 hertz, and the max your content could display on the TV was 60 hertz. Many of them had interlacing with black and white screens, and showing the same image twice, but it was all a giant gimmick. LCD TVs later dropped this when they couldn't actually obtain a better visual image from using these techniques.
@@chubbysumo2230 The "high refresh rates" back then were actually a side effect of how Plasma works. The subpixels were only capable of on and off, so they refreshed extremely fast in order to provide variable value to the illumination by switching on and off extremely fast. The higher the refresh rate, the more quickly the subpixels could be designed to fade on and off without causing massive flicker, and thus the better color reproduction and display response time became.
LCDs later on used high refresh rates to produce a motion interpolated image from lower refresh rates, but they didn't benefit from motion interp in nearly the same way that Plasmas benefitted from ultra fast switching.
@@chubbysumo2230 I see, I don't know how they were measured but for plasmas those crazy numbers is what was advertised back then. Regardless the images do seem more smooth when you're viewing sports or fast action scenes so whatever they were doing to cheat the spec it did work to some extent in my eyes. With lcds at least from the same time you could see a blur when viewing fast paced scenes. That's probably not a problem today though.
A plasma naturally has a 460hz refresh rate, whether or not the signal is processed at thst rate is another story, but by very nature of the tech that it's operational refresh rate
LG Plasmas were also always considered toward the low end. I’ve had a 42” Panasonic for 20 years and is still an amazing picture.
Is the Panasonic plasma 4:3 or 16:9, and is it 1080p?
i have 3 of them, they all still work.
one needs a new capacitor in the power supply. the displays themselves are bulletproof.
@@justin6581 the Panasonic pdps are all 16:9. they only made them in 42 inch.
I also have a panasonic one, I believe it's 42", it was already cheap when it was bought, but the picture quality seems good
Are you running current Gen gaming or rokus or anything on them? Are you using 2.1 HDMI cables? Or are you using old HDMI cables? Thanks
2:30 I swear I’ve thrown out all your decade-old undies by now🤣😋
as a poor student who’s gamed on old TV’s my whole life. you’ll be surprised how impressed you’ll be by a decade old $200 TV from an $900 4K IPS monitor
I game on a 20 year old, 49", high spec for the time plasma that I picked up for £100. I like it a lot.
pc or console ?
@@AlfieFenton pc
I game on a 43" I got used about 14 years ago, I say used but it just had a new screen fitted under warranty where I worked. Paid £100 for it and even though it's no Panasonic neo plasma or Pioneer unit it still pisses all over LCD in motion, colour and contrast. Dawid here doesn't know that screens(all flatscreens) have to dialled in to tight settings for them to come to life. He also bought LG which were gawdawful plasmas as they were just Philips units and Philips never got the hang of HD plasmas, then again only really Panasonic and Pioneer ever did and to a lesser extent at the end Samsung. The clue that Dawid doesn't understand screen tech is that he can't adjust the brightness settings without over powering the screen to the point it starts producing "butterfly" artifacts. People just got used to LCD so they think their image isn't correct unless everything looks neon and has a pause then ghost as it changes frames. BTW Plasmas are 1000 times faster at lighting their pixels than LCD which is why the motion and response are still good, that unit he has there(if he set it right and set it to PC mode) will be around a total of 7ms which is comparable to LCDs that claim 1ms as the response speed becomes governed by the mainboard, if your pixels light up faster than the speed of the mainboard then the mainboard becomes the limiting factor, in the case of plasmas pixel response is moot as no mainboard can run as fast, same with a CRT which is way faster again.
@@AlfieFenton pc and series s.
@@darthwiizius aahhm , my omen x27 got under 7ms in total for input lag.
compared to a lcd pixel back then, plasma pixel is 3000 times faster
but the input lag for gaming back then . . . . puhhhh . also not really measured by anyone may
I have a panasonic plasma tv and it works great, it has some settings for latency and color correction and it is indeed a bit different than lcd or oled, but the model i have was one of the best you could get at that time, it even has a digital tv tuner in it for dvb so honestly a nice experience from something this old!
I've just recently upgraded to an oled from a plasma. Specifically the Panasonic VT50 and it was an amazing TV. I played my series X on it before upgrading and the colour reproduction was excellent, blacks were as good as my oled and input lag was in the low 20ms. All in all and excellent TV for movies and gaming.
I upgraded my ZT65 to an LG CX which was a huge improvement & that’s saying a lot. My son got the ZT65 & despite it not doing 4K, it still looks incredibly sharp & the refresh rate looks on par with a 144hz monitor.
You mean you downgraded to OLED
@@tac6044 it is an upgrade
@@koczaioandaniel4014 not for motion and clarityy
@@wingedhussar1453 *and* response time
The last time I owned a plasma TV was a 40" 720p. After a couple months of playing battlefield the ammo counter burned in. It's funny how a 720p screen at that size was perfectly acceptable to me back then, and today I wouldn't consider 720p in really anything!
Yeah, the fact that it was used as an info display for like a decade is why it's worn out really badly. They looked better when new. Kinda like what happened with most CRTs that were used for decades, only on a shorter timetable.
I still use the same plasma that I bought brand new back in early 2012. Still works like charm, and no signs of it giving up. The best tv I have used so far. It is a LG 50PV350N, (50 inches) and the black level is magnificent.
It is 0.120 cd/ms, not magnificent at all. In the first 100 hours it was 0.04 cd/ms, but after that all goes grey.
I enjoyed playing original Wii on an standard def plasma, it was a good representation of 480 gaming
I have this TV and have been using it go game on since I purchased it new. Other comments have touched on that there's a gaming mode and you really have to play with your settings to get the best picture, maybe do a recap at some point to show the best case for an old tv like this. Either way, another great video!
Hey! Thanks for the comment. I briefly mentioned it in the video, but I did play around with a whole bunch of the settings and picture profiles. The measurements I showed in the video was the one that measured the best. I also tried game mode, which helped with the input lag a little. (Even though it was already very good). 😁
Great to know! Thanks again for the fun video, always looking forward to more uploads
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Hello! Are you intersted in introducing a gaming projector? It can play games and watch movies, have sent a email to you. Thanks. 😁
I loved my Samsung plasma. It had a 600hz "soap opera" mode, so I'm surprised at input lag... probably caused by image processing. Eventually, it got purple swipes in white sections, but motion wasn't bad. The image was always stunning, most people thought I had a 4k when they saw it, and the contrast was amazing. There is no bad viewing angle with a plasma. It set a high bar for the replacement (Hisense 65U8G)
No it had 60hz.
Might have had a sub-field drive rate of 600 Hz, but that's not the same as refresh rate.
@@andriandrason1318 600hz sub-field drive is actually better than brute force refresh rate, and it's also totally different to the soap opera frame interpolation, sub-field drive actually modulates the panel @ 600hz or higher, over 2000hz in some later gen versions, this in turn gives the equivalent of 0ms MPRT, a 600hz drive @ 60hz refresh is the equivalent of a 65hz CRT, which is 0ms, later gen Panasonic Plasma monitors had 120hz refresh rates combined with their incredible 2500hz focused field drive panel modulation, this can feel even smoother than the best CRTs @ 200hz, not to mention the Panny monitors could do this @ 1920x1200p, it was literally beyond perfect motion clarity and for gaming nothing matches it as of 2023, not even 1000hz OLED will be able to perform or look as good as those Panasonic plasma monitors, OLED needs to ditch sample and hold for something equivalent to sub-field or focused drive modulation, OLED has so much potential thanks to its instant pixel response, imagine how good it could be with at least 0ms motion resolution @ 8K+, 8K of perfect motion resolution on an RGB-OLED panel should be incredible and do OLED technology the justice it deserves, brute force refresh rates just don't cut it and take matching high frame rates for the refresh rate to equal a decent motion resolution anyway, which means it's no good for 60hz content, which is 90% of my and most people game library.
I have a 63" high end(back then) plasma standing by the wall, too heavy to move alone, 97 kilo or ~214 murican.
It was great on winter as it acted as a heater in the cold winters here in scandinavia....wanted to repair it by changing caps, but need a soldering iron that is much more effective as it take 10 min to warm up one tin lead blob....and it is too heavy to carry down to first floor
The brightness setting on some of these TV's is actually more like a gamma setting, which could be why your image was so flat, if you're at like ~1.0 average gamma the image will have no punch to it at all.
Some very basic calibration (like getting that white point close to 6500) would probably help this TV out immensely even if it's not bright. 80 nits is still pretty bright in a completely dark room (movie theaters typically sit around 30-50nits, but dark room treatment, etc helps the image pop more)
Plasma TV's aren't as good at ANSI contrast compared to LCD. CRT is even worse at ANSI (100-150:1 generally) but I don't think it's a very realistic test. A more accurate contrast test would be a 10% white or grey window or just straight up native contrast (measuring native contrast on modern LCD TV's is not great because of dimming, etc). The most noticeable scenes where higher native contrast comes into play when most of the image is dark.
Of course OLED is still much better overall, but these older plasmas when set up right were a much better choice compared to LCD's at the time.
Edit: Another thing to note with some of these plasmas even though they accepted 1080p input they were actually only 1024x768 native resolution. That does not look like 1080p to me during the screen measurements section. 9:40
Brigthness control is "black Level" so you just made it even more gray.
Contrast control elevates mean/peak nits.
Movie theaters 30-50 nits, what are you on? HDR standards are 1000 nits or above. Maybe a scene can be 50 nits but that's different from full white brightness. This 80 nits is probably the full white measurement, which is extremely dim, around the minimum setting of some today's LCD monitors.
@@rtyzxc HDR in cinema is brighter but it's still no where near 1000 nits.
It's generally between 100-108 nits peak, 1000 is simply not possible on such a large screen right now with compromising black level floor, the hardware is simply not there yet. The metadata is trimmed for cinema specifically.
I can't seem to post links, but you can look up how the trimming works on Dolby Vision Cinema, etc.
The next step for cinema will likely be 500 nits.
And just for personal opinion, I have an Epson UB6050 and a 65" LG C2, even though the OLED has much deeper blacks and is significantly brighter, the Epson at ~100nits on low lamp and calibrated (velvet curtains on the walls) is just so much more engaging to watch at 120".
I had a 42in plasma and it was 1080i
@@daytimerocker3808 That will be 1024x768 native, most of the work would be done by the Scalar. 1080i is 540p over alternating frames; the set would then do some scaling on it. The set would have looked much better with a 720p signal.
I like when my monitor has built- in Antialiasing, gets some load off my GPU :)
Thanks dawid, never stop doing weird experiments.
i recently got a krp-500m used for €100, definitely one of the best purchases of my life, back when it was released it was the best display on the market, and currently it is still the reference for 1080p SDR, compared to oled the max whole screen brightness is lower, black levels are only worse in direct sunlight, else its comparable, and local brightness spikes like explosions look arguably better on the plasma, one thing to note is that a lot of these screens have viewing modes that mess up the image in the name of "improvement", if you go to input settings and change the hdmi input from TV to PC(its a setting) you can finally see why this screen has the best color accuracy on the market for 1080sdr content
I remember plasma TV being very much superior to the large rear projector type TV that was the large format successor. You could get a 32in CRT, but you could also get a 50+in rear projector TV. The colors on those projector tvs was so dull.
The projector tvs were blurry, even the visuals of the digital channel and volume display looked blurry, the picture quality only looked as good as how clean you kept the mirrors on the inside and even then the picture still looked soft and blurry. I think they were upscaling the projection to obtain the size at a sacrifice to quality, only thing I can see going on with those tvs.
Go for the later years like 2014 or 2015. They are beautiful. They are super color rich and have some really good blacks to them.
4:29 The horror.....the horror...
On a series note, the brightness setting actually controls the video black, not the output brightness, which is why the TV appears flat and has messed up gamma. It's actually very common for TVs to describe brightness as it's black level control. Almost all plasmas don't allow you to adjust the nits of the TV, with the exception of certain samsung plasmas, but doing so messes up gamma tracking and are meant to be kept at max brightness.
Was gonna say this, all he was doing was turning down contrast 🤣
This is hilarious. I have the identical 50" plasma in my basement to this thing but it's branded Zenith. I bought it on black Friday many moons ago at Sears for $500. She is still kickin.
Same here... Rebranded as Zenith. I believe we got it as a father's day sale. It's been living in a spare bedroom for years. Only thing that has gone wrong was power supply board died, but was easy fix.
Sears... wow. Remember those Mastercraft commercials?
Up until a year ago I was using the Pioneer Elite 60" plasma, the very first 1080p plasma model ever built. That tv had the best color rendering, deep blacks, nice grays, and it felt like a space heater when it was running, lol. Beautiful for gaming and an excellent response time, like 600hz, for fast motion. Lasted over 15 years and the picture was just as great as the day I bought it.....on sale.....for $6000.....normally $10,000.
Pioneer Kuro 60" here, beast tvs.
@@pauloa.7609 YES !
We used to have such a 50" plasma screen in the office. The yellowing of the picture is often just a yellowing of the foil on top of the screen, which has to be there so you don't get a nice sunburn in front of the screen.
Nice video. I myself run a Panasonic Viera 42" Plasma TV as my bedroom TV. The one which was mentioned at 6:23 in the text. This TV was purchased in 2010. Panasonic had the best plasma screen back then, because they were the inventor and main producer. I guess it was a similar situation to today with LG and the OLEDs. In fact, plasma was kinda of the predecessor to OLED, as you mentioned. Great black levels but really glossy and not suitable for a bright room. Which is not surprising if you realize that the first layer is a giant plexi glass sheet.
Anyways, back in the day, plasma had much better colors than LCDs and input lag was way better. My old Panasonic still has a better image than the 4K LED-TV from Phillips in the living room. White is not an issue at all on this specific TV. It still is really great for gaming (there is a PC, an XBOX and a PS connected to it). I would have to buy a 1500 € OLED to get a similar image quality. Also, because I use it with a bit of caution, I never had a problem with burn in. And that thing is durable. 2 LCDs allready died in the lifetime of that plasma.
Imo, you should get a LCD-TV from the same era and compare them side by side and/or get a really high end plasma and compare it to an OLED. Then you will see why many ppl still hold on to their plasmas.
Yeah, at the time, top of the heap A+ model was Pioneer (if you had the big bucks), then it was pretty much Panasonic at like a B+ and Samsung like a B/B+ (depending on the model). All of other plasmas were kinda meh as far as I know. My daughter is a huge Hatsune Miku rhythm game fan and swears the input lag is lower on our Panny plasma is still lower than either of our LG OLEDs (my wife has it in her living room).
@@greenmkyd dang your wife has her own living room? impressive
Still rocking a 55" 1080p Samsung plasma in the living room. Don't know how old it is but probably close to 15 years or so, from back in the day when LCD TV's were slow and prone to ghosting, especially for watching sports or fast moving action movies. Still using it because it still works and I am too cheap to replace something just for fun.
many years ago i asked my parents if they knew someone who had a tv they would give away, so i could game on it. today i learned that it was a plasma tv. ngl plasma is the best for gaming
I had a Panasonic TX-P60ZT60, which was Panasonics last (2013) flagship, and used it for my HTPC/Gaming machine. I have had only plasmas since my Hitachi 42PD5200 purchased in 2005 and have sworn to the technology until OLED came so now I have an LG OLEDCX65. For big screen gaming only plasmas could give the low input lag needed for fps and driving games which I enjoy. It is necessary to turn off all post processing for lowest input lag, which you have to do manually unless it has a 'Gaming' picture preset.
Those analog ports and the bluriness of the image sound like an amazing combination for a retro gaming setup, ever considered hooking an N64 to it to see what it is like?
Composite signal corruption makes the PS1 dithering "smooth";
I only used a shitty cheap hdmi to composite signal box, but even on non-crts, old games look as if they had some nice smooth Anti-aliasing at seemingly none of the cost.
@@niewazneniewazne1890
Scart RGB is a thing. Funnily enough the reason that Nintendo didn't put RGB scart on their consoles and especially the SNES was because of the distortion from composite and Svideo standards, those lovely early transparency effects seen in games like Kirby 3 become lost when you do an RGB conversion as each pixel becomes sharpened and individually visible. On the SNES mini Nintendo had to write new code for those effects to be recreated through HDMI feed.
Nah. N64 and PS1 are still best on a SD CRT that can properly do 240p. Otherwise you're better off finding a good scaler so it can actually look good on a Plasma or a modern LCD
@@niewazneniewazne1890 Try using a wii. The main issue with those HDMI to composite adapters is that they can't do 240p and are limited to 480i. Most older games from the N64 and PS1 and older output a 240p signal not a 480i signal. This was done by alternating the lines a CRT draws so that each of the lines is drawn on the same field producing a progressive scan image while outputting half the resolution of the display
@@crestofhonor2349 I had a dreamcast, from what I remember, the composite image was extremely dark, while the VGA signal was just clean asf.
Especially that my monitor would do nearest scaling it didn't bother me that much, the image was pretty sharp and didn't bother me all that much.
Until last year, we were using a 42in 1080p Panasonic Plazma TV in the living room, worked quite well ngl
You should do this video again, but with a Panasonic VT60, or ZT60.
Even there he would make the dumbest newbie mistake there is: Turning the Brightness setting all the way UP! :facepalm Icannot fathom, how stupid of a mistake that is, not to knoe, what the "Brightness" in TV menus is for. Christ!
I did most of my Xbox 360 and Xbox One gaming on a 60" LG plasma, that is still the main TV in the living room. I've never really had an issue with burn in or color being off, it still works perfectly to this day. I honestly wish plasma was still being made, with my eyes (old) I feel like the color and refresh rate are better than most modern TVs. This TV you got was an entry level model, higher end models looked so much better.
plasmas could have been a hidden gem for gaming if they had universal support for higher input refresh rates, but being limited to HDMI standards of the time pretty much meant being stuck with 50/60Hz, and, IIRC, only some of the last/highest end models could achieve 100+Hz input/output (basically good luck trying to snag one of those for a bargain)
Power consumption is a gigantic turnoff for plasmas though
The non removable power cable! I saw a tv with one a year ago and was so confused why. Like the socket can’t save them that much!
Reason for that is.... You pushed brightness up. That is for black level. You washed picture up. Turn up contrast, not brightness. Bad presentation from you. Next time - Try it on Pioneer Kuro
Yes, definitely the Brightness is the wrong setting to use for peak white level.
I got a 12 year old 50 inch Panasonic plasma tv in a bedroom that still looks great. It was highly rated at the time and still has a great picture. No major burn in issue and a bright screen.
I love gaming on plasma TV's. Even though the one I used to use was only 720p, the color saturation you can achieve on a plasma is incredible.
Edit: that is either not the best example of a plasma tv or your settings are wack. The I think Panasonic one I used was the most colorful screen I have ever laid my eyes upon.
I only think i've seen that matches it post CRT is a good OLED or a good LCD with FALD (excluding pro grade stuff)
As mentioned by others, on TV's in particular over monitors, TVs like to add post processing to 'improve' picture quality. This additional processing takes a certain amount of time and adds latency. Any setting on the TV to disable these features can help you reduce latency.
I used to have that exact same tv. It's like 70 pounds for no apparent reason.
Hello, Dawid. Just wanted to say, I recently discovered your channel and not only have I really been enjoying your content, but your personality and enthusiasm are infectious! It's too bad you can't snag an LED-powered Samsung DLP to test, something like the 61/67a750. They were amazing for gaming, with an incredible image and great motion as long as you weren't sensitive to the DLP rainbow effect. Anyways, take care, and thanks again for the great vids!
For low input lag you have to put it into game mode, made a pretty big difference for me
I have a slightly damaged one I found for free, works great. Pretty good colors even though it's from about 2011.
Technically a smart TV too with streaming services built in and possibly a web browser but I don't have the remote and it's probably awfully slow. Modern smart TV are not fast, I would assume an ancient one ain't very fast either.
Edit: it also weighs like 120 pounds and is all metal, and I carried it home in the snow. WHY ARE THEY SO HEAVY.
You know what, i don't know but there's a possibility it might surprise you. Like it's not going to be fast fast, but today's TVs reuse lowest end tablet chips. Back in the day, i worked in automotive and we actually had some fairly feisty SoCs for the high end headunits, needed a bit of cooling, they weren't super power efficient or particularly cheap, and as expensive as those TVs were and their power requirements as well, those would make an adequate fit.
@@SianaGearz I believe the TV draws 95 watts, not super power efficient.
I don't even have a remote to interface with the os, my guess is it has Netflix and Hulu and some other stuff, but super out of Date versions.
If I ever find a remote that works for it I'll check it out, it might even have an app store if I'm lucky. I believe the TV was like 2500$ in 2012.
I have 2 pioneers Kuro 50" plasms sets. Both still run excellently and have no burn-in or faded colors. I have a Vizio 65" OLED and comparing the two is apples to oranges. The best way is to think of plasma like a vinyl record with its textured deep colors while the OLED has crazy sharpness, brightness, and detailed contrasts.
Yea but plasma has clear motion while oled has stutter and blur
Thanks for another amazing and fun video, Dawid. You should definitely try a better plasma that wasn't turned on for 8hrs+ a day for 10 years. Plasmas can lose intensity and color accuracy over time. Back in the day plasmas were notorious for deep blacks and substantially higher contrast ratios vs other current technologies. This one is definitely showing its age. Hope you do and very much looking forward to the comparison!
I absolutely loved my old LG plasma. Super quick response times, deep blacks, good at scaling lower quality sources, and back then no consoles and few PC's were pushing 4k gaming. I really don't remember the colors being nearly as muted as your display.
Hey Dawid, Samsung and LG didn't make the greatest plasmas. If you wanted the best, you needed to buy a Panasonic. Other companies didn't come remotely close to Panasonic's image and build quality, at least when it came to Plasmas. Panasonic not only made the best panels, but they had the best processing back then too, at least for watching tv and movies. Other companies might have had quicker processing for games. This LG seemed pretty good for that. Other brands were pretty equal when it came to LCDs. Plasmas technically run between 400 too 600 Hz refresh rate, but its effectively 60 Hz. There's a lot of smoothing going on and I don't fully understand it, but they were nice to game on. Also, about the flicker, this TV probably needs some work. The capacitors are likely dying. These TVs generate tons of heat because they're incredibly power hungry. It's not uncommon for them to consume 200 watts in an hour. An LED backlit LCD consumes half that amount. Since this TV was likely running constantly as a digital sign, add in the high heat, and that may be the cause of the flicker you were getting.
Got my Panasonic from a Goodwill for $70, absolutely fantastistic. Can compete with my Samsung Q60.
"Consuming 200 watts in an hour" does not make physical sense, just saying. It's arguably even worse though. The 42" 720p Panasonic my parents used to have would often be in the 200-300 W range, and it was not uncommon to see larger FHD models draw around 500 W. Even the CCFL-backlit LCDs of the day needed much less power, those with LEDs are on another planet.
Love my GT50 pannie
I’m watching this video on a Panasonic plasma. I remember I did a did a few weeks worth of research before buying it back in the day. It’s still a pretty good tv today.
I have both, this LG and a Panasonic Viera from the same year. My Panasonic has a slight logo burn-in. The LG is flawless. Colour gamut and contrast: splitting hairs. Both are great and I can't tell the difference. Sound is a tad better on the Panasonic. It is also a bit darker with less reflection. But that comes at the cost of power use. The 50 inch LG consumes less than the 42 inch Viera. I think the LG does 150W on avarage, the Panasonic is like 200W.
I used to sell Plasma TV’s back in the day in a high end Hi-Fi shop.
When we used them we had line doublers and would used either Panasonic or Pioneer as they produced the best pictures…however if you want to see a truly magical image find a tube TV made by either:
Loewe
B&O
When Plasma was selling well B&O and Loewe both had hand picked Phillips tubes and I don’t think I have ever seen a better image. I currently have a 4k OLED and 4K projector 📽 I still think about how good the last of the high end tube TV’s were.
There is a B&O tube TV out there with a 28” screen and a motor in the base to make it spin, that TV had a picture so good it looked 3D!
A friend and fellow dealer had one in his house and it cost a fortune but as I say, I can’t remember a better image….ever!
Still using 2 samsung plasmas. They are pretty good. Overall light settings can also be controlled at least on my set by the eco settings and cell light. Would love to see a follow up video with a factory reset and a universal remote (cheap $10 non smart one will work) which would make things so much easier.
I remember playing Killzone 3 on my rents Panasonic 50” plasma. Even to this day I remember how good it looked. At the time these TVs were fantastic. If you’ve managed to get a high end one there was really nothing better at the time
I still remember when my parents got out first plasma. 22", some random weird brand. My brother and I lost our minds
Yo, same. It was a tiny TV and weighed as much as a Honda Civic but I was so excited.
Plasma was never in 22" it's not possible. It must have been an lcd.
I actually fixed my ex girlfriends parents massive panasonic plasma tv and that was back in 2016 and I still have that tv to this day for my basement. Works great and never had any issues with it. Yeah it leaves a burn into the screen if you leave an image on for too long but the tv has a software built in that basically wipes the burn away. Definitely worth checking out a more higher end plasma in the future Dawid!
Yeah, am still using a plasma, a Panasonic TX-P50VT20E to be exact!
I have to say that normally, you perform very good tests Dawid, but this time, it was sadly a big short circuit with whole the video!
For the first, if you shall review a unit as example for a whole specific tech, you don´t take a basic one that not even was good when it was produced, you take a hell good unit to get the full understanding of the tech as is!
What you need, is as you said it yourself, you need a high end one, cuz now, you have literally taken a old Lada from 70´s Soviet Union and let it be example for the entire car industry!
However, be careful when you buy one, cuz there is plasmas that have a good low input lag, but there is ones that are truly terrible as well, my one for example has a input lag of 15ms!
Keep your eyes open for 2010 to 2013 Panasonic plasmas in the premium segment, and you will get a whole new picture of what a good plasma actually means, the TX series, is a good plasma, so keep your eyes open and make a new video when you have gotten one!
Much love!💝
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Also you need to take into consideration the technology used. Plasmas use phosphorus technology much the same as the good ol crt witch is why it looks grey. Also the noise in the image is due to the analogue conversion needed to get the image to display in the first place. But the higher end plamas do have quite the deep black level and manage to mosly eliminate that grey look of the phosphate. So the pixels wear out in the same way that a crt does . So basically its a high tech crt but not a crt. Kind of.
Still having 13 year old Panasonic plasma tv. The picture still amazing
I think that you got a junk TV. I have a Panasonic 50 inch plasma from 2010, and colors, black, and white levels look better than the LG C1 OLED in the living room. There’s also less ghosting on the Xbox with the plasma, too. The resolution is better on the LG, of course, but everything else is better on the Panasonic.
Movies on plasma were beautiful, The black levels and hues were very nice. I had a 42 inch plasma and I really liked it
Man, I just LOVE how plasma TV look. Something about them is very pleasing to the eye for me. Sadly had to got rid of mine 5 or so years ago. Got quoted absolute insane amount to fix it in few different places.
How much did they want to fix the tv
@@Keepskatin i shit you not it was a 900$ + unknown amount for parts from Japan.
1:18 lol I litterally had that (type of) tv, only reason I got rid of it was the ridiculous power consumption but the image was pretty good and especially motions where very fluent.
The real reason why they stopped making plasma TVs is because they were much more expensive to make and more difficult than their regular flatscreen counterparts
YEAH AND HE NEVER SAW A KURU OR A VT50, 55 INCH OR EVEN BETTER BY TAD, THE LAST PANASONIC ZT60 OT ZT65 ... I am on a VT50 - 55 INCH RIGHT NOW FROM A KURU AND LAUGHING AT HIS IGNORANCE!! MINE BEATS ALL LEDS AND SOME OLEDS... ALSO 24 TO 96 HERTZ...
@@ReganMarcelis I've only owned a 55 inch Plasma Panasonic Viera and that fucker had amazing picture quality and the audio quality and how loud it could get was phenomenal
I got this yesterday and I can really recommend the LG. When I picked it up, I hooked up a laptop with some demo clips and at first the image was very flat and lacking colour. But then I went into the expert menu. The sellers said "wow, we never knew this TV could look so good". They had been looking 13 years to a greyish THX image. The contrast was set too low, the saturation was low, and worst the gamut was set to small. The TV had absolutely no burn in after 13 years and after a proper setup the colour and contrast is insane. It is at least 100% DCI P3 coverage, maybe even more towards AdobeRGB. I popped in Katamari and Sonic Racing Transformed on my PS3 and WOW. Just WOW. This is the most amazing displaying of Katamari I've ever seen. Sound is indeed a bit on the flat side, missing some bass, but hey, this thing is cheap as heck and totally awesome. And regarding brightness, it is more than bright enough. Remember 2 things: full screen white is limited due to EU energy regulations, but no issue on mixed level images. And the tube is rather grey and very reflective. But in a darkened room, this is absolutely no issue, and you will experience a picture on par with OLED.
I’m gonna start using the term “hella E-Peen” when talking about any RGB parts in my system 🤣
Haha yes! It’s the best descriptor.
I use a 42 inch plasma tv as a pc monitor and this one is actually 1080p, thing is a beast, colors pop, the whites look great and it gets surprisingly pretty bright.
Are you using regular HDMI? 2.1? Or does it matter?
LG plasma's were about as bad as you could get.
I definitely would love to see you do a review with the Panasonic VT60, that TV was a real beauty.
Both of my plasma TV’s from that era died horrible color banded failure deaths. They were good for about 5 years before starting to go.
I have a 42 inch Samsung plasma that is still going. I bought it from a company that refurbishes electronics over 13 years ago and it is still going! It is relegated to our bedroom but no burn in. It is quite heavy at about 88 lbs. so it sits on our chest of drawers.
I still have the 42" variant of the one in the video. I've mainly kept it because it works well for tv things. I keep it in my kids room and it's basically theirs to use. Much better picture quality than the $350 4k Phillips bought from walmart a few years ago, I've seen better color on water-logged newspapers from the 80's.
A buddy of mine had a 42” plasma TV and the picture was ridiculously good. The white levels did leave a little bit to be desired but it was very pleasing to watch content with and game on.
Hi there Samsung 64" plasma TV user here
the colors are nice and vibrant on ours and the brightness isnt much of an issue.
The yellow trail is visible on fast moving objects but ofc not anywhere near what the camera is seeing it kinda gives it an interlaced refresh rate type of feel
Power consumption is more than a fricken rtx 3070 at 567w lmfao
ill edit this comment and list the exact model of our tv later when I find it
1:05 I have that same trolley 😂🤪!!! Dawid breaking his back for our enjoyment 😅😂🤣🤪👍 the right plasma model and some calibration will definitely improve that washed out look 😇👍
This was my first HDTV ABSOLUTELY loved by PK550! I gave it to my cousin , she's still using it and working fine 12 years later with no burn in
oh, that‘s my TV! I also was quite shocked when I first got it out of the box and tried to play some Skyrim on it back in 2012. The image was so dark and drab, playing any dungeon was nearly impossible. Then I calibrated it and now it‘s a great screen, mainly for movies and slower console games though since what irks me most is the input latency.
Used to get these all the time at Goodwill, a lot would have burn in you could see in the glass but the ones that worked did look decent. This was years ago but we were selling them for like $80, not too bad if you know what you're getting into. Apparently the Pioneer Kuro ones were the height of plasma technology but never ran into one of those.
When Plasma hit the market it was head and shoulders above the LCD displays of the day. For Plasma TV's that haven't been turned on for 80 hours a week for twelve years their picture quality stands up well to your run of the mill modern TV. They can't stand against OLED or Quantum dot displays, but they still do surprisingly well against your typical AliExpress TV.
I had a 60" Panasonic ZT series plasma. I used it for years before updating to 4k a few years ago. Panasonic were the kings of plasma and the one I had was basically their swan song before they pulled the plug on the technology. I loved plasma. Deep blacks (for the time). Response times that rivaled CRTs. Great viewing angles. Once you got the ZT calibrated correctly the colors were fantastic and blew away the LCD and LED technology of the time. OLED was out there. But it was very niche and extremely expensive. But plasma peaked. It couldn't get any better. They weren't very efficient. They would burn-in. They were heavy as hell. They didn't get very bright. They were expensive and difficult to manufacture. So I don't miss it. But I do look back on it fondly. Oh, and my ZT is still being used to this day by my parents.
Picked up a 60"pioneer Kuro for $80 for my PS5.
And it's awesome. Yes it heats up the room, but those blacks and no stuttering. Love it.
All the power consumption, heat generation and weight of a CRT, in only about half the footprint of a CRT! LOL
I was a salesman in a high end A/V shop in the learly 2000s, when Plasma TVs were just entering the market. I still remember having to relocate the LG panels, 'cause they didn't stand up well against the others. Not that anyone was looking at anything LG, anyway, as the memories of Lucky Goldstar were still fresh on our demographic's minds.
The Sony Bravia 46" was one of our best sellers, at nearly USD $15,000 when it launched in our shop. The image quality was unmatched, to the point that we requested a second display from Sony to set up in our dedicated home theater demo room, ditching the larger Mitsubishi DLP rear projection megalith (another segment leader).
Good memories~
I remember selling these in the early 2000s. Well, at least trying to.
I really liked the way upscaled DVDs looked on them though.
I subscribed and keep coming back for the tech jokes, no other reviewer is better
Rocking a 50 inch Samsung plasma. It's part of my streaming setup. I run two PC's with gaming Rig on a 1440P 27 inch screen and second PC that is streaming is connected to the Plasma.
i had a UT50, one of the best panels plasma ever had. the image was better than any non-oled tv nowadays. i love the 'grain' effect from plasma tvs, they switch on or off in very fast velocity to make the shades from black to white and between them.
I love plasmas because of the vibrant colors. A lot like CRTs
I've been hunting for the perfect plasma TV for about a year and finally found it. 50" flagship Panasonic from 2010 that was sitting in someone's guest house (must be nice lol) which means super low hours. No burn in and I got it for dirt cheap. Plasmas still hold their own, especially with viewing angles and blacks. The only downside is the flickering that was mentioned but you really have to focus on it to notice. No plans for gaming but if you want to, switch the picture setting to "game mode". Improves the image a TON. Just be careful about burn in with games that have huds.
I wish TVs still had RCA/Composite inputs as standard on high quality TVs, just for retro gaming. *shrug*. It'd be a half decent reason to keep this around if the input lag isn't bad.
I used to tell everyone this when plasma TV is still a thing: if you usually watch TV in dark room, get a plasma. If you watch in a well lit room, get the LCD.
Oh, don't worry about burn in. Just switch off the TV for a few days. The plasma cell will slowly became inactive, well, at least for those that use back firing UV ray gun.
I have that same TV in my one spare bedroom. Got it as a hand me down from my dad years ago
I used to game on a 42" Sony Bravia TV. Didn't have any problems with it, except when exiting games (or from watching fullscreen videos), all the text were messed up, until I turned the TV off and back on.
Now I game, and compute on a 49" LG LED TV. No more problems.
My dad still uses a 50 inch plasma TV, and it uses 800w of power AT ALL TIMES.
Great viewing angles but bad color reproduction due to burn-in.
I still have the LG 55PA5500 plasma and I love the crisp vibrant display. I see LED TVs today and cringe at the black levels, motion blur, artificial smoothing, and viewing angles. They are brighter though, so I guess that's good?
Thank u so much, interested in starting so soft during quarintine and just need a place to get started, thx for the support
I still use a 50" samsung plasma and compared to everyone's tv if seen for myself i still think it looks amazing. Ive never noticed any flicker or input lag whatsoever (pc, ps4 pro, and xbox1). Our living room is pretty bright and i think my tvs brightness is pretty damn good. We still had to get blackout curtains because of the reflections however. I think you just got a cheap model dawid
finally on the reverse side of the monitor viewing experience. I'm normally looking at better monitor on my 1080p 75hz display. now I'm viewing a 720 plasma through it . I just need the internet from the city and I can watch in greater than 240 p.
Had a friend that always had the greatest TV tech around 2003-2012 and he had the Panasonic. Was never there to watch stuff in the day time to comment on its brightness but damn at night it blew my peasant LCD out of the water. Then again he spent like 3k + on his tv vs my 1k. IT was for sure way better during its era then the rest
My old Panasonic plasma screen was pretty awesome in it's time. The problem with old plasma screens is (as Dawid found out) they fade. A lot.
4:56 those aren't black levels, it's the plasma tv saving you from getting caught lackin by censoring it
I'm still using a 50" Panasonic plasma I bought new 14 years ago and I'd say it stands up to most TV's out there today, the only downside I have is the electricity draw at over 500w
Must have been around 2013/2014, the time when 4K got started for consumer TVs products. They had one hell of a monstrosity of a plasma TV in one of the local electonics stores, standing next to it it was close to shoulder height on a pedastal (and I'm pretty sure it in fact was one of the first 4K displays they had). Standing half a meter away I felt the heat warming my arm, think it was classed above 1kW/h.