Thanks for posting the target sizes. That puts things in perspective. How about distance to targets. I give this shoot and the participants two thumbs up.
MrB82901 3rd Saturday of each month at the Hobble Creek Range in Springville. There's a morning and afternoon match. If you give enough notice there are several guys with extra rifles and you can shoot the match. If you don't give a couple month's in advance the match is always sold out.
Looks like a great challenge and fun shoot. I question the number of shooters not using glasses for protection. No shooting at our range without eye and ear protection.
most everyone takes such unstable seated positions. Then again shooting while in the seated position is basically not taught nowadays. That is what makes it so challenging today. It looks like a lot of fun.
It's all preferance and what you're most comfortable shooting. The point of all this is to have fun competing against all the challengers but also see them as good people/friends. That's how I see it
Sorry for the dumb question, but why are all the shots so quiet? It doesn't seem like many of these rifles are suppressed, and yet, still quit. Clearly, I'm new to this, which hopefully explains my ignorance.
+Lou Balestriere Most match grade 22 LR is sub sonic as passing thru the sound barrier can affect accuracy. To keep things as consistent as possible most all match grade 22 lr ammo is subsonic making it very quiet even unsuppressed. Also the bolt rifles are quieter than semi's as they let the gas escape which is noisy.
No it's not a Dumb question at all man we all Have to learn it at some point when were learning to shoot . But no there not using Silencers there's actually a couple responses to that question about the .22 caliber . Like the first comment above mentioned the .22 Caliber rounds are Subsonic ( low Velocity / Below the speed of sound) At subsonic the round Velocity doesn't reach the speed of sound , which makes it quite & you dont hear that loud Boom from the muzzle & the crack sound in the air from the round reaching Supersonic speeds IE. The speed of sound. also because of the rounds size, shape & how much powder the rounds contain for Both .22 Long & short .22 Shorts are really Quiet rounds on there own. again because they contain less powder then Longs & being at a lower subsonic velocity . But I'm about 95% sure there firing .22 Longs here. And with Longs there still fairly quite when fired from Rifles. So with the .22 Caliber weather its Shorts or longs because of the rounds velocity the longer the barrel the quiter the shot because more of the energy from the powder going off is being directed more pushing the bullet through the barrel on a rifle. Allowing more energy behind the round Then shorter the barrel like a a .22 pistol the rounds are going to be much louder then a rifle. Because not only is the end of the barrel closer to where the powders going off in the camber but all of that energy that was pushing that round through the barrel of the rifle is now not able to & is escaping much faster ie. Making a loser Bang . But That's pretty much the simplest Answer to that question. But I truly hope that I was able to Answer your question for you if there was anything else I could Possibly help Answer I'll gladly do my best to help you out .
Get a Savage Mark II fvsr and save about a thousand. A 40 dollar Pinty 4-16x50 scope and a 22 dollar bipod and the rifle, it will shoot .3 inches at fifty yards out of the box. If you can't hit them all, it's the rush or the shooter, not the rifle.
The shooter at 15:10 is using a savage mark II fvsr with a custom stock, hit all eight. It isn't the rifle. It's more likely guys who have been in the game for a long time are reluctant to admit that an off-the-shelf $240 Savage 22 is equal to their $2000 custom job.
@@typedeaf It has a fluted short barrel, threaded for attachments. In 2016, I believe the FVSR was the only rifle with those features. CZ 457 didn't come out until 2019, I think they have a similar barrel.
I'm surprised there aren't more guys using tuners. I have made about a dozen for my buddies around here...S.E.Pa. and we have had great luck tuning in sporter rimfire rifles like 10/22's and my Ruger American 22lr went from 2MOA down to a minute now with CCI Std. ammo at 100yds. Mine aren't the giant ones you see on bench rest setups, they basically look like a flash hider with a sliding ring for 1/2"x28tpi. Send me an address and I'll send one to you guys at LRSOU to test out on me. I owe you all that for the stuff I have learned on your site! Thanks, Gerry
There's upwards of 60 people waiting to shoot and the competition takes 3-4 hours and it's a great time for folks to catch up. Some stages everyone is quite, others it doesn't matter.
+EpicMan878 Sorry. I can't help you there. Haven't owned one. Some guys shoot them in the match but I've never seen one place before. They are good by the standards of the typically Joe but when it comes to the Marksman Challenge they do ok but not fantastic like the CZ455's with lilja barrels or Kidd Supergrades. Sorry I couldn't help. If you join the 22 LR Markmen Challenge Facebook group and ask the question you'll get a good answer
@@ashleynicely1046 In our videos I don't think we've ever provided the ranking in the match ie who took 1st, 2nd or 3rd. I don't recall ever seeing a Savage place in the top 3. That's not to say it's not capable but that among top shooters they are not popular.
It's really pretty Rude to be Talking & Laughing that loudly that close to the shooter on the line while there trying to concentrate. I can definitely see that the weather's not that great & there aren't any other building near by ( that i can see) but if that's the case then the RO should have Addressed it at the beginning in the briefing that the shooting line should be Divided so that the shooters that are on deck & on the line for that round are standing by . then ALL other non essential personnel & other shooters that aren't in that round Ect. at the other end where they can talk ,laugh & bullshit about whatever but without Disturbing those who are on deck or on the line shooting . I understand it's all in good fun to get together with friends have a good time but it's still a Competition. I've done plenty of them & still do . So if this was the case at one I'd been too I would of most definitely had a word with not only the RO but also the event Coordinator about it . But thankfully the events I go to things like this DO NOT HAPPEN. Everyone is professional, respects the shooter on line mean while understanding chit chat like that isn't meant for on the line & theres Designated areas for stuff. And if the weather's isn't very good then its planned ahead to either have another building nearby by and/or have Canopy tents set up for everyone else . And that's for All events weather it's Small bore , .22L rifle competition such as this or a Large Caliber ,Center fire Long range precision Competition , 3 Gun Event or open to the public privately held gatherings . It just would not be allowed. Or at the very least it's taken care of so that its doesn't happen . People lose concentration on the line & forget Range Safety because there more worried about turning around to talking with there buddy then paying attention to there fire arm. In my opinion the Range Officers at this event are Seriously lacking
skatterbrain , sorry got to give you a 👎🏻. My understanding of this particular shoot is a fun day out with a light hearted competition to make it interesting. At my village club back in the day (60’s) we had two of these type of shoots, one at Christmas time the other mid summer, happy memories for sure, the competition side was as always hotly contested but never overly serious, and bare in mind most of our shooters were in and shot in national leagues. None of the shooters here, as far as I could see, were in the least bit pi#@*d about the atmosphere around them. It was their party, their rules. If you don’t like it don’t enter! Kind regards from across the pond.
@@clivenewton7609 doesn't matter any proper Range officer would absolutely not allow such a thing on there range . So weather you give a a thumbs down really doesn't matter what so ever nor do I care. There's on range Safety Regulations for a reason & what was done in the 60s isn't how things are today . And if a club or a Association operates as such then there not going to be around very long nor should they .
Absolutely all the chit chat and that lady yelling would have me frazzled and pissed 😤 I would never return to a shooting event that was operated like this 🤬
+PierreDolphin I think I would have given it to him but the new rule is that the target has to swing for it to count. It use to be that if it even nicked it they would count it. No longer.
When is a strike a strike? When the umpire says it is. The guy that ran this match was a stickler, big time. He watches through a spotting scope and makes a call. It is what it is. Arguing with the ump rarely works in your favor.
@@ashleynicely1046 I don't know how politic plays into any of this but the match director ultimately makes the call. I'm not saying it's a perfect call but especially with this particular guy once he makes a call it's highly unlikely he's going to change it. We don't have the luxory of instant replay as time on the range is limited and at that time there were a lot of shooters in attendance. I'm not trying to argue with you on any of this BTW. I'm just filling in the blanks and I was there and I shot those matches for years and have since shot in NRL22 for years and placed #6 in 2019 and #7 in 2018 at NRL Nationals. You just dont' see many, if any savages among the top shooters. I'm not saying they suck because they're solid rifles but they're not the best on the market. If they were all the top shooter would be using them and they're not. In base class there are far more as they meet those requirements but even then I don't recall seeing them near as much as CZ455 for example.
Something wrong with a scope? You use the tools best suited for the job. I'll bet I won't see you driving down the freeway in a 1923 Ford Model T, now will I? And you don't mow your lawn with a scythe, I assume? And you're not running Windows 3.1 on your computer either, right?
@@christocr yeah by using a scope you guys sound like too amatuer for the competition, I've joined some imternational precision shooting competition but we never use scope, we use peep sights.......I dont know it just sound your rifle level is too easy to call your self Marksmen lol! no offend to everybody its a competion not a stroll in the park.
Great video. 22 lr prs is one of the most growing shooting sports out there, love it.
I LOVE MY KIDD!!!! LOL, great video guys.
Awesome, looks very challenging and VERY rewarding :D Fun times with good people
Check out NRL22.org for matches like this in your area
1:28 - He did move it.
Definitely.
yep judge is blind!
It has to swing to count as a hit.
Not a hit if you glance off the side.
@Mad Bro? I agree with you but have seen several guys take a zero for a glance off.
Looks like the guy in Utah calls them that way.
Thanks for posting the target sizes. That puts things in perspective. How about distance to targets. I give this shoot and the participants two thumbs up.
+MrB82901 Distance is given at the beginning of the video. Large KYL was at 75 yards and the small was at 35 yards
Thanks for the fast reply. I would like to visit one of your shoots, but my Saturdays are quite busy for the next couple of months.Thanks again
MrB82901 3rd Saturday of each month at the Hobble Creek Range in Springville. There's a morning and afternoon match. If you give enough notice there are several guys with extra rifles and you can shoot the match. If you don't give a couple month's in advance the match is always sold out.
This is awesome! It would be interesting to know what type of ammo each of them were shooting. Or the most popular.
It's the cheapest ammo the DF can find.
13:43 is my favorite; the KIDD is a pretty awesome rifle!
Looked like some of those guys were hitting harder than others.
Great sport. Good people, customize your own way, always improving.
Are these events still happening ??? and if so, where can I find a schedule for 2021???
Looks like a great challenge and fun shoot. I question the number of shooters not using glasses for protection. No shooting at our range without eye and ear protection.
most everyone takes such unstable seated positions. Then again shooting while in the seated position is basically not taught nowadays. That is what makes it so challenging today.
It looks like a lot of fun.
This looks like so much fun
As soon as we are allowed to leave our houses, I really want to show up to this. I have a CZ 457 that I'm dying to run through its paces here...
Great stuff !!!!!!!!
3 out of 4 best performers use semi-autos. This video kills stereotype about bolt action superiority :)
Andriy Levin for the money, bolt actions are more accurate
Some of us like driving manual 🤷♂️
@@blakemanintveld7371 ahahhah, in italy all of us drive manual
It's all preferance and what you're most comfortable shooting. The point of all this is to have fun competing against all the challengers but also see them as good people/friends. That's how I see it
Thanks friend.
very very nice..good game and good guys
"old man" reminds me of that scene from Red2, "old man my ass".. nice shooting.
I saw a lot of hits called as misses; why?
It gotta swing, not just wiggle
Greetings and congratulations for the contest. What is the distance of the red targets? Thank you.
100 yards
"In this video the larger KYL target is set at *75* yards from a sitting position..." from your description beneath the video.
Sorry for the dumb question, but why are all the shots so quiet? It doesn't seem like many of these rifles are suppressed, and yet, still quit. Clearly, I'm new to this, which hopefully explains my ignorance.
+Lou Balestriere Most match grade 22 LR is sub sonic as passing thru the sound barrier can affect accuracy. To keep things as consistent as possible most all match grade 22 lr ammo is subsonic making it very quiet even unsuppressed. Also the bolt rifles are quieter than semi's as they let the gas escape which is noisy.
Thanks so much for the response.
Try some CCi "Quiet 710fps" in your rifle, especially a bolt, it's quiet enough for *indoor* shooting from a Bolt Action.
No it's not a Dumb question at all man we all Have to learn it at some point when were learning to shoot . But no there not using Silencers there's actually a couple responses to that question about the .22 caliber . Like the first comment above mentioned the .22 Caliber rounds are Subsonic ( low Velocity / Below the speed of sound)
At subsonic the round Velocity doesn't reach the speed of sound , which makes it quite & you dont hear that loud Boom from the muzzle & the crack sound in the air from the round reaching Supersonic speeds IE. The speed of sound.
also because of the rounds size, shape & how much powder the rounds contain for Both .22 Long & short
.22 Shorts are really Quiet rounds on there own. again because they contain less powder then Longs & being at a lower subsonic velocity . But I'm about 95% sure there firing .22 Longs here. And with Longs there still fairly quite when fired from Rifles. So with the .22 Caliber weather its Shorts or longs because of the rounds velocity the longer the barrel the quiter the shot because more of the energy from the powder going off is being directed more pushing the bullet through the barrel on a rifle. Allowing more energy behind the round Then shorter the barrel like a a .22 pistol the rounds are going to be much louder then a rifle. Because not only is the end of the barrel closer to where the powders going off in the camber but all of that energy that was pushing that round through the barrel of the rifle is now not able to & is escaping much faster ie. Making a loser Bang . But That's pretty much the simplest Answer to that question. But I truly hope that I was able to Answer your question for you if there was anything else I could Possibly help Answer I'll gladly do my best to help you out .
does tk lee company still exist and do custom dot reticles
These vids are awsome, should i get a mkiitr or a cz 455 for thsis type of shooting
Get a Savage Mark II fvsr and save about a thousand. A 40 dollar Pinty 4-16x50 scope and a 22 dollar bipod and the rifle, it will shoot .3 inches at fifty yards out of the box. If you can't hit them all, it's the rush or the shooter, not the rifle.
The shooter at 15:10 is using a savage mark II fvsr with a custom stock, hit all eight. It isn't the rifle. It's more likely guys who have been in the game for a long time are reluctant to admit that an off-the-shelf $240 Savage 22 is equal to their $2000 custom job.
ashley nicely, how do you know that is a savage fvsr? Why would you get that particular model vs the others?
@@typedeaf It has a fluted short barrel, threaded for attachments. In 2016, I believe the FVSR was the only rifle with those features. CZ 457 didn't come out until 2019, I think they have a similar barrel.
This looks a lot of fun. What are the sizes of the targets?
It says it at the beginning of the video.
LoL
What is
the guy shooting at 9:49? Is that a custom stock or something?
Yes, he and his son shoot them. He owns a lathe I believe as he is a boat mechanic and they made them.
@@LongRangeShootersofUtah It looks like he has a Savage FVSR in that stock?
WOW Alan!!!!
This is probably way cooler in person
Im guessing tuners and the like are a nono?!
+gerry mckown no there's one guy that uses a tuner.
I'm surprised there aren't more guys using tuners. I have made about a dozen for my buddies around here...S.E.Pa. and we have had great luck tuning in sporter rimfire rifles like 10/22's and my Ruger American 22lr went from 2MOA down to a minute now with CCI Std. ammo at 100yds. Mine aren't the giant ones you see on bench rest setups, they basically look like a flash hider with a sliding ring for 1/2"x28tpi. Send me an address and I'll send one to you guys at LRSOU to test out on me. I owe you all that for the stuff I have learned on your site! Thanks,
Gerry
The lady yelling when shooters are engaging targets is rude. But I guess it shows the shooter is overcoming the environment. ⚡
I bet the shooters didn't even notice. You really get in the zone when the timer starts
Does anyone sell this target system?
Vapor Trail Targets. Look them up on Facebook.
Or build your own for 200 less.
Why is everyone talking or even yelling in the background?
There's upwards of 60 people waiting to shoot and the competition takes 3-4 hours and it's a great time for folks to catch up. Some stages everyone is quite, others it doesn't matter.
as a shooter without earpro, all that talk would drive me bonkers
whats the best savage mark ll ?
+EpicMan878 Sorry. I can't help you there. Haven't owned one. Some guys shoot them in the match but I've never seen one place before. They are good by the standards of the typically Joe but when it comes to the Marksman Challenge they do ok but not fantastic like the CZ455's with lilja barrels or Kidd Supergrades. Sorry I couldn't help. If you join the 22 LR Markmen Challenge Facebook group and ask the question you'll get a good answer
+Long Range Shooters of Utah oh thats okay. would you know what would be an pretty good entry bolt action .22 that pretty accurate thanks.
+EpicMan878 I would get a CZ 455 which is very accurate to my standards and If you wanna upgrade it you can
@@LongRangeShootersofUtah If you've never seen a savage place you aren't watching your own videos.
@@ashleynicely1046 In our videos I don't think we've ever provided the ranking in the match ie who took 1st, 2nd or 3rd. I don't recall ever seeing a Savage place in the top 3. That's not to say it's not capable but that among top shooters they are not popular.
Is that air rifle??
They are .22LR.
It's really pretty Rude to be Talking & Laughing that loudly that close to the shooter on the line while there trying to concentrate. I can definitely see that the weather's not that great & there aren't any other building near by ( that i can see) but if that's the case then the RO should have Addressed it at the beginning in the briefing that the shooting line should be Divided so that the shooters that are on deck & on the line for that round are standing by . then ALL other non essential personnel & other shooters that aren't in that round Ect. at the other end where they can talk ,laugh & bullshit about whatever but without Disturbing those who are on deck or on the line shooting . I understand it's all in good fun to get together with friends have a good time but it's still a Competition. I've done plenty of them & still do . So if this was the case at one I'd been too I would of most definitely had a word with not only the RO but also the event Coordinator about it . But thankfully the events I go to things like this DO NOT HAPPEN. Everyone is professional, respects the shooter on line mean while understanding chit chat like that isn't meant for on the line & theres Designated areas for stuff. And if the weather's isn't very good then its planned ahead to either have another building nearby by and/or have Canopy tents set up for everyone else . And that's for All events weather it's Small bore , .22L rifle competition such as this or a Large Caliber ,Center fire Long range precision Competition , 3 Gun Event or open to the public privately held gatherings . It just would not be allowed. Or at the very least it's taken care of so that its doesn't happen . People lose concentration on the line & forget Range Safety because there more worried about turning around to talking with there buddy then paying attention to there fire arm. In my opinion the Range Officers at this event are Seriously lacking
skatterbrain , sorry got to give you a 👎🏻. My understanding of this particular shoot is a fun day out with a light hearted competition to make it interesting. At my village club back in the day (60’s) we had two of these type of shoots, one at Christmas time the other mid summer, happy memories for sure, the competition side was as always hotly contested but never overly serious, and bare in mind most of our shooters were in and shot in national leagues. None of the shooters here, as far as I could see, were in the least bit pi#@*d about the atmosphere around them. It was their party, their rules. If you don’t like it don’t enter! Kind regards from across the pond.
@@clivenewton7609 doesn't matter any proper Range officer would absolutely not allow such a thing on there range . So weather you give a a thumbs down really doesn't matter what so ever nor do I care. There's on range Safety Regulations for a reason & what was done in the 60s isn't how things are today . And if a club or a Association operates as such then there not going to be around very long nor should they .
Absolutely all the chit chat and that lady yelling would have me frazzled and pissed 😤
I would never return to a shooting event that was operated like this 🤬
Aim small, miss small...
Wasnt 1:22 a hit?
+PierreDolphin I think I would have given it to him but the new rule is that the target has to swing for it to count. It use to be that if it even nicked it they would count it. No longer.
Bro bought the meanest scope (literally Hubble telescope) on his rifle... just to hit two @2:20
40 yards
Nobody has a beer while not shooting?
That’s generally frowned upon at any shooting competition. Afterwards...do as you like but not before or during.
The smaller the better... That's why i shoot 1 CM targets at 100 meters. 22, 222 and 243...
So what's the deal? If the moderator doesn't see it move, even if it did, it's a miss? Good shooting, bad judging.
When is a strike a strike? When the umpire says it is. The guy that ran this match was a stickler, big time. He watches through a spotting scope and makes a call. It is what it is. Arguing with the ump rarely works in your favor.
@@LongRangeShootersofUtah I wasn't talking about politics, I was talking about reality.
@@ashleynicely1046 I don't know how politic plays into any of this but the match director ultimately makes the call. I'm not saying it's a perfect call but especially with this particular guy once he makes a call it's highly unlikely he's going to change it. We don't have the luxory of instant replay as time on the range is limited and at that time there were a lot of shooters in attendance. I'm not trying to argue with you on any of this BTW. I'm just filling in the blanks and I was there and I shot those matches for years and have since shot in NRL22 for years and placed #6 in 2019 and #7 in 2018 at NRL Nationals. You just dont' see many, if any savages among the top shooters. I'm not saying they suck because they're solid rifles but they're not the best on the market. If they were all the top shooter would be using them and they're not. In base class there are far more as they meet those requirements but even then I don't recall seeing them near as much as CZ455 for example.
I stopped watching after the multiple miss calls from the judges
lol seriously with a scope?
Something wrong with a scope? You use the tools best suited for the job. I'll bet I won't see you driving down the freeway in a 1923 Ford Model T, now will I? And you don't mow your lawn with a scythe, I assume? And you're not running Windows 3.1 on your computer either, right?
No Kidding, I'm going to acquire some KNL targets and practice with my Win 67 *open* sights & RWS ammo.
Cristocr
@@christocr yeah by using a scope you guys sound like too amatuer for the competition, I've joined some imternational precision shooting competition but we never use scope, we use peep sights.......I dont know it just sound your rifle level is too easy to call your self Marksmen lol! no offend to everybody its a competion not a stroll in the park.
JUDGE IS BLIND
RIPPING PEOPLE OFF IS NOT COOL