Thanks for keeping me in check I guess. I thought we were still using damage first scoring (turns out we aren't anymore) The funniest part about all of this is that I legit thought that I was cooking with the video, spent like 7 hours getting all the shots and making the presentation with a smile on my face like I had just invented the cure to some illness, just to get trashed bad.
When has damage been the main scoring criteria? Sean had 1 7 second moment in the 5th, Merab cooked him the other 24 minutes and 53 seconds, just admit you glaze fighters that talk to you?
Not remotely. It's just a reaction to brain dead trolls over an objective video with a very valid and simple point. The only person who should feel humiliated is you for being so dense and slow.
That's not at all what's happening here. He's making a very simple point about damaged based scoring prevailing, like it's supposed to, over the fight stalling hugging and running away tactics of merab and other fighters.
Yes that's what he said and who cares? As a coach his job is to find weaknesses and give advice ect jot watch strike for strike and grappling action and score fights live. He just assumed they would need a finish couse the judges would give Merab the fight couse they like contol time better
"It was revenge for Guru trying to steal Schmittys spotlight, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. Schmitty was a made man and Guru wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was among the MMA fans. It was real greaseball shit" - Tim Welch
@@birthd-y yea you can't actually measure the power of every shot or even see if some strikes land. How do knees to the thigh measure up to low kicks, jabs to lead elbow? How about someone like Choi Doo Ho that barely gets a mark or bruise on his face no matter how much he gets hit compared to someone like Nate that's leaking after a jab? Damage is subjective and varies wildly according to the viewer, control time isnt
And that’s the exact problem. control time should only be taken in to count if it’s advantageous, a sht ton of merabs control time was him just hugging sean and not doing anything but light punches, barely any good ground and pound
@@OutWitzed I agree. I think Merab won based on how the rules are laid out but in my opinion if you aren't doing damage and you aren't in a dominant position (mount, back, side control) then it shouldn't count for anything. Like how are we having fights where one guy lays on top of the other for 25 minutes and we come away from it thinking "wow! he was really kicking his ass with all that hugging he did on the ground!"
@MakeFood-sc4of I mean like if someone held you to the ground and didn’t attempt to do anything except stay heavy on you and not let you up for 25 minutes and then afterwards you walk away completely unscathed and unbothered are you really thinking “wow he just beat my ass!” At a certain point it’s not rly fighting as much as it’s playing the scoring rules of a sport. And Sean did get up most of the time it just took him too damn long but I don’t think that was for lack of trying I think Merab is just the best wet blanket in the UFC.
@Rule34Artist. Depends on the fight this fight wasn't close like at all, that's like rewatching Henry vs Merab and making an Argument Henry won on second watch, fights that aren't close don't need a second watch we didn't miss anything besides more loosing
@@brennanbarber7469 so you're saying everybody notices everything that needs to be noticed the first time they watch the fight everytime??? There's never a need to rewatch a fight? That just makes zero sense. And I also don't think it matters what type of bias someone might have going into a rewatch as long as they aren't like leaving parts out or being disingenuous. Like cameras were invented so you can literally go back in time and see what happened. If someone's take on a fight is wrong you should just be able to tell them when where and why they're wrong
I’ve been a loyal paying subscriber since 2006 when Guru first ever watched a UA-cam video and I’m absolutely appalled by this scoring take. Im so drawn aback I’ve moved to the East and am now training with the Dagestanis full time and have gone on to win my first 4 professional fights by split decision via control time 🙏. So sad to see my favorite channel cave to millions under the table by the Weasel and Omalley. SHMITTY WAS RIGHT!!!!!
@@felixtorres6512omg he kissed his back so he literally trolled him the entire fight how though did you watch the video ? Love how y’all can glaze merab but heaven forbid someone says the fight was closer than some people made it seem
@@reklaw8524People don't want damage in fights. They want hugging and melatonin decisions so they can call it "domination". It's no different then the jab, grab, and run Floyd BS that killed boxing. Why are you allowed to win fights by not doing damage it's gay as fuck
@@xeta180 he rocked him and made him tap and was up on the scorecards and made him cry at the press conference, ddp indeed destroyed him mentally and physically
I went back and watched the first round and Sean didn’t win that round. It was close first 2.5 minutes and then Merab carried the rest of the round with multiple takedowns. He needs to stop promoting this damage thing when you can watch that first round and see 0 damage.
you said you only score control time in close rounds. at 14:00 you called the rounds o’malley supposedly won “close rounds”. merab smashed o’malley. merab takes 1 and 3 because the striking was close enough even by your numbers, and merab had more control time if you include the back control in round 1 like bedtime said. PHD in o’malley meat riding.
Google the scoring criteria and paste it here Einstein it specifically states that TD and control time don’t matter if there aren’t any sub attempts pathetic to score anything while not knowing the criteria
@@danmoore1427 Isn't control time to be counted/evaluated "when damage is considered equal"? (Control time = not actively pursuing submissions, holding ur opponent down)
Those two things literally mean the same exact thing in this context. If damage is present, that is the only thing scored. If damage is not present or equal, you move to secondary criteria being aggression and if aggression is equal aswell, you judge tertiary being octagon control. It literally says the main thing determining effective striking/grappling are strikes or sequences that would most likely contribute to a potential finish
I mean cmon. merab is 100p the champ rn, and 200% won the fight with zero doubt. that doesnt mean it was a fun or even good fight. but merab did win. round 3 sean needed a finish. rounds 4 and 5 were just depressing since sean looked like he was afraid of the little guy.
@@IsenathiDyantyi only round anyone could possibly give to Sean was round 5, at which point Merab stopped caring and knew he already won and just did cardio bouncing around the octagon as an exercise. That's how FREE Sean was for him. Get a fucking grip. "MUH DAMMIDGE" is the kind of bullshit that's the reason MMA is never going to be taken as seriously as boxing. If you do damage, it's a reward of its own. What the FUCK is the point of giving someone a round because they did "more damage" for a couple seconds even though they lost 90% of the entire round? Shouldn't they have won since they rattled someone's cage so hard that it warrants a point win for the round? THAT'S WHY KNOCKDOWNS ARE SCORED. Seriously, I hate humping into decisions as much as the next guy, but if you're gonna watch MMA, stop pretending it's not a strategy that gets points. You can complain it sucks, because it does. But to pretend it's not a factor in winning a round in score is as delusional as it gets.
I wish O'Malley had won. That being said, deleting comments because ''I think a specific fanbase is raiding me'' is pretty low. Are you for or against free speech?
He’s deleted comments before this. He deleted a comment by a member that had a lot of likes in the “fights to make video” that exposed how only now that Merab is champ he’s all for Umar getting a title shot but if it was O’Malley he would say Figgy should get it. And the next comment he deleted said guru was just as biased and copes just as much as everyone he trashes(Dana, Rogan, Ariel, DC etc.).
The point is, it ruins the video. Comments are meant to be about the video itself. It’s like deleting fake reviews or something. It’s got nothing to do with freedom of speech
Goes on Tim welch podcast and says you have to listen to the hate comments because they’re right most of the time Proceeds to go to war with the majority of his own fanbase telling him he’s delusional and wrong, either read the comments and listen or just stay out of them if you can’t handle it lil bro
@@loopvil369 As he explained, he thought he was being raided by merab fans initially because there were negative comments with hundreds of likes in seconds, not an unreasonable thing to think. He stopped when he realised it was real hate…
Here is the truth: when an mma fan watches a style he hates get a decision by shutting down a style he loves, he’s gonna find a way to asterisk the result. All of us do it
That's not at all what's happening here. He's making a very simple point about damaged based scoring prevailing, like it's supposed to, over the fight stalling hugging and running away.
Guru doesn’t realize that the escape to a tight guillotine is going to your back. Merab DID have a tight guillotine which is why O’Malley turned onto his back giving Merab top position. It was only after O’Malley did that did Merab let go. O’Malley is an experienced enough submission grappler to know when to go to his back to escape a dangerous guillotine attempt.
@@Souljaxl the submission attempt and then the subsequent improved and advancing positions are scored under effective grappling. Effective grappling is scored with the same weight as striking.
I rewatched the fight again because of Guru and I think even more strongly O’Malley lost. Scoring a fight isn’t purely objective. It is very subjective. That’s the fun part. Jeff Blatnick understood this RIP. Guru is too young to know anything about Blatnick though. Unless O’Malley had dropped Merab or broke his nose or black eye, it’s virtually impossible to understand how much any of O’Malley’s strikes actually hurt Merab. You could easily claim Merab hurt O’Malley with some of those aggressive takedowns. However, we all saw how exhausted and frustrated O’Malley was after the fourth round. He was getting his style neutralized and couldn’t stop Merab imposing his will on him the whole fight.
Ah, made some comments to that effect whereas you’ve already summed it up perfectly. The only problem in this whole thing is how people won’t admit the criteria are subjective and their opinion of the scoring may be wrong and unless there is a finish most of the times whoever wins the fight is a matter of opinion
@@jokingbird Guru is trying to score MMA like you score a basketball game or a boxing match or something. Scoring in MMA is almost like scoring a dance competition or figure skating sometimes. There is a VERY subjective element to it that is the secret sauce that makes MMA so much fun. Because you know that can all get cleared up if there’s a finish.
@@jokingbird I mostly agree, but ''subjective'' doesn't mean it is the wild west. Judging who did more ''effective striking'' is not purely objective and it can be challenging to weigh different strikes if it is close or try to compare 5 hard shots with 15 jabs or whatever, but if someone outlands their opponents by 300% it's not just a matter of opinion and agree to disagree.
Look, no matter how frame by frame you attempt to snag victory from the jaws of defeat, we all felt the same level of defeat at the end of the fight. We all knew Sean lost, it was obvious on the spot. The judges don’t get frame by frame analysis
Everyone thought DDP was ass back in the day. No one thought he would be champ. It's called having a healthy mindset when you have one idea, then that idea is proven wrong, and you update and change how you feel. DDP is the champ of the world and Guru was right for changing his mind with more data and evolving how he thinks, and he was accurate in his prediction that DDP would beat Strickland and Izzy.
Not one reply from the tard yet, wow. Not a single mention of whether you still think its fair to give praise to ddp, just a tard that needs to be wrangled.
Yes. This is the toughest thing for Piggy. DDP’s face at the end of the fight showed the damage Sean did. But Piggy is ride or die for DDP so … he’s gunna be biased on that one
Your logic makes no sense. The reason there are other criteria in the rules is for fights like this, where the damage exchanged is negligible. O’Malley and Merab exchanged some pot shots on the feet and you’re trying to gas light the fans into thinking that those exceed O’Malley getting put flat on his back, gassing and quitting.
And the brutal knees (about 40 of them) don’t count but some little pussy leg kicks count as a clean strike lol. And the 13 knees and 2 or 3 takedowns in round 1 don’t outweigh sugas 2 strike advantage in the round lol.
Agreed, I thought they were suppose to have more 10-8 rounds. I thought if a round is a clear win it's 10-8. If it's debatable then 10-9. A total dominant one sided round is 10-7. Rnd 1,3: Maybe 10-9 O'malley if so: then rounds 2 and 4 are 10-8 Merab.
@@giacalonebuilding4443 he kicked his leg 3 times clean and did 0 damage with it, tgat is way better then 30 knees to the thigh that visibly made sean slower on feet!!!!
Honestly that’s what he gets for doubling down I thought he was gonna get over it a couple hours after the fight but no he double down on it which made most of us angry like bro learn to move on.
@@OutWitzed and you are backing him up because you are bias fanboy honestly even fighters are saying the same thing we are saying the only people saying the opposite is guru and y’all fanboys.
You said "O'Malley maybe got 3 and 5" when you were watching the fight. So you gave the fight to Merab. Now you got 2 hours of video talking about how O'Malley got robbed - you are a genius!
I can picture guru dipping fried chicken drumsticks into a tub of mayo while the jets are bubbling from all over, pieces of chicken and mayo globs falling into the hot steaming bath, laughing to himself in insanity while staring at his subscribers trophy from youtube with an eeeevil grin, both content and miserable at the same time
@@ky1ejennings I mean this is brootal, why is he so jolly and relaxed. Disgusting. Where is the angrily screaming ,sweaty long hair having, wheel chair riding, stinky beanie wearing, never back downing son of a gun?
"clearly" they say how At which time of round 1 did Merab do that? Couse on the feet as i saw Merab didn't land shit a few glancing leg kicks and shit. On the ground a few little clinch shots and that's all. You can "outland" someone and still lose if you do 0 fucking damage with those strikes. Merab can land 20 knees to the leg and 20 weak ass glancing leg kicks, if he eats 3 good knees 3 good body kicks 3 good hooks and eat a headkick he will lose the striking battle despite "But he landed 4 times more". Diaz landed more strikes on Conor according to the stats but it wasn't Conor who got his face changed after 25 minutes either.
you keep saying "for the past 5 years its been damage based scoring" when this has never been true. It never actually says the word damage in the scoring criteria. this is not hard to google, i dont understand why everyone has just decided to make up this idea that scoring is based purely on damage. you should look at the actual rules rather than just saying what you think sounds right
@@doc8090 The top criteria is effective striking/GRAPPLING. effective striking is held in the same importance as effective grappling. you can simplify effective striking to damage if you want, but you cant do the same with grappling. Effective grappling is defined in the criteria as, "Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact." With this in mind, Merab's guillotine in round 1 would have been considered more effective than Sean's damage in round 1, merab wins round 1. He also wins 2 and 4, so he wins the fight.
@@doc8090 The top criteria is effective striking/GRAPPLING. effective striking is held in the same importance as effective grappling. you can simplify effective striking to damage if you want, but you cant do the same with grappling. Effective grappling is defined in the criteria as, "Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact." With this in mind, Merab's guillotine in round 1 would have been considered more effective than Sean's damage in round 1, merab wins round 1. He also wins 2 and 4, so he wins the fight.
@@doc8090 The top criteria is effective striking/GRAPPLING. effective striking is held in the same importance as effective grappling. you can simplify effective striking to damage if you want, but you cant do the same with grappling. Effective grappling is defined in the criteria as, "Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact."
With the Immediate weighing more than the cumulative. That’s the part you need to stop ignoring. Pitter patter strikes are not remotely close to actual strikes. Wall stalling is not remotely close to actual strikes. If a takedown or position change does not lead to a potentially fight ending result then it’s weighed Below.
The main issue is that people say it’s damage based scoring and damage over everything when that’s actually not the case. It’s *Impact* based scoring which comes from Effective Striking/Grappling. Impact includes swelling and lacerations as well as the diminishing of the opponents energy, confidence, abilities and spirit. Which is exactly what Merab did. Neither O’Malley or Merab’s striking did anything to damage the other significantly or lead to the end of the fight with immediate damage. But Merab’s grappling did diminish O’Malley’s energy, confidence, abilities and spirit which is why I believe he won R1
So if Merab decides to just run around the ring in circles for 25 minutes you think he wins if he’s less tired at the end? It’s about who’s closer to ending the fight with things that could end the fight in the immediate weighed much more than things that can end it cumulatively in the long term. So one good body shot, which could be close to ending the fight is better than laying on someone for 25 minutes and hoping they get tired and give up.
It is actually the case Read the rules Damage>>>everything else Taking someone down and not doing any damage with it or no submission attempts wont get you scored
The problem is: control time, agression criteria do not just come in when the damage is 100% exactly even. Rounds 1 & 3 were clearly close enough damage wise to where grappling & control time have to be considered. So no, Sean did not win those two rounds just bc. he may have slightly outdamaged Merab _ he was losing in all other criteria categories. That’s exactly why it looked to everyone (Sean and Timbo included) like Sean was losing
This exactly is the correct argument for Merab winning. At the same time I think it’s fair to say there IS enough separation of damage in 1 and/ or 3 to score for Sean but that is ultimately judges interpretation of the rules and fair either way ( lame answer) Personally live I had damage too close in round 1 to ignore the grappling. Also people need to remember fights are scored live by human beings and the “vibe” atmosphere and fighters expressions and faces and reactions to shots DO inherently play a part in their decision especially in close rounds, Really basic stuff that people don’t want to understand
You're misunderstanding the rules. Damage is the main factor to look at when scoring effective striking. Guru's saying that in 1 and 3 Sean's effective striking was more than Merab's effective grappling. Because remember damage is pretty much all you look at when determining effective striking. WHERE AS simply taking someone down and getting control time on them like Merab is NOT how you score effective grappling. So no you don't have to look at aggression or ring control imo
He scored the first rd of umar vs azmat bezkat for umar. So his own argument is completely irrelevant to future fights like this where merab dominated for 24 mins and Sean had 1 okay minute
Bro shut the fuck up "Merab dominated for 24 minutes" First off MMA is not scored by minutes. He can hold Sean and hump his legs for minutes, then he can get hurt to the bdoy and lose a 5 minute round. Also for example Merab was running around and getting smacked up for like 2-3 minutes in the first round. You make no sense. MMA is not seconds of scoring or minutes. 5-5 minute round, you do more in those rounds, you win. You can get hold down for 4 minutes and 50 sec and then can het knocked down 3 times in 10 sec for 5 rounds and you can have 24 minutes and 10 sec of control you still lose couse you got knocked down 15 times in 50 sec
Still deluded. Overrating O’Malley strikes, underrating Merab strikes. And it was never that absolutely physically dominating your opponent doesn’t count at all. That’s just silly
Guru is trying to bring up the fact that he used to make fun of O'Malley as him not glazing, but this is just a Dana White tactic. Shit on fighters until they can make you money like Jones can for Dana and Guru having access to O'Malley's team.
You claim you started deleting negative comments because you "thought you were getting hate raided by Merab fans" 🤔 You know damn well, that's a lie. You stare deleting them to curate your comment section. You only stopped because you realized that so many were negative, if you kept deleting them, you'd have no comment left.
Which is all about damage. The only thing that is valued in effective grappling/striking is how much does it contribute to ending the fight with the immediate weighing more than the cumulative impact. That is damage based, grappling is only judged as effective if it contributes to ending the match.
@@Souljaxl Grappling & damage isn't the same thing, sure you can say strikes but grappling? Come on now Besides Sean wasn't landing damaging shots in round 1 anyways.
I just think the sub attempt in round one is the most significant danger for either fighter in the round. Also O’Malley grabbed the fence to keep from getting flattened out on the first takedown in round one.
2 things. Firstly, Mighty Mouse (aka the goat) said that getting kneed in the thigh fucking hurts. So probably should be considered a strike similar to a light jab. Secondly, the Weasle brought up a screen shot of the scoring criteria which does not specially say damage over grappling.
I agree on the first point, but on the second point, Damage Trumps All is a pretty accurate summary of the criteria. The true verbiage is "Effective striking and grappling" but it goes further to depict what is meant by effective. Damage is considered to be the most important because it contributes towards a possible end of the fight, and damage is most easily done by striking. Grappling can also contribute towards the end of a fight, but this is usually through either submissions or ground and pound. Submissions are harder to judge, because some people can spam submissions that will never actually work(guillotines are a common example), they are not often taken seriously compared to cumulative damage done via striking. Even the tightest, closest submissions you can find--like the ones Ortega had against Volkanovski--if they fail, they don't leave the opponent any closer towards losing the fight compared to striking that nearly knocks someone out.
You need MM to tell you a knee in the side of the thigh hurts?? Have you never been kneed in the side of the thigh? You must not have competed in any sport throughout your life. I've never competed in mma but have received plenty of knees to the side of the thigh competing in other sports. Its painful and hard to walk for a while after.
@aceofhearts8036 yeah sorry this is just shit logic. By this logic you don't need to watch anything or know anything as long as the individual thinks he's correct lmao. How could you be this delusional
This just seems like a “what’s a catch” situation from the nfl. I quickly read over the judging criteria and it’s pretty vague. I think this could spark some very interesting conversations about judging and the rules.
the criteria isn't just vague and subjective there's too much of it. No one can actually use the criteria properly when watching a fight live it's effectively useless. If you need to watch the fight in half speed for hours to determine a winner it's obviously a flawed way to score fights
Hopefully it does because the “Aggression and Control” section of the scoring criteria seems to refer to ring generalship and forward pressure in some fights and maintaining top position in others. Extremely subjective criteria here. My opinion is that maintaining top position without actively seeking submissions or going for effective ground & pound strikes should not be scored positively.
@@Rule34Artist.most fights are not close so it’s not needed. Do you think any rules that cannot be perfectly applied in real time are bad? Like what is even your argument? Because something is difficult to do and may need more time to be done perfectly there is no point in doing it at all?
Its a shame were talking about all this. Merabs the champion. Every fight he took he delivered, against the promotion of his opponent, recently against staf. Turned champion money so he wouldnt have to fight his friend. Knowing he was the best in the division and had the balls to play the long game. Talk about a fucking stud. Good god can we stop coping for the 2nd place guy already.
It is a shame that the focus is not on celebrating Merab, but it's his own fault for employing this style. Grapplers have a way to silence the haters: finishing opponents. Many before Merab have done it, Merab has not and will not do it. He deserves this controversy. I'm not denying that he won btw.
@@Sth863 my argument is that he didn't count the knees to the thigh as damaging shots even though Sean himself reacted to those shots, he literally went down into fetal position because of those knees.
@@talemwakaheru5831 What the fuck are you talking about? The knees to the thighs didn’t do shit and Sean wasn’t in a “fetal position” he was covering up so Merab doesnt knee him in the face which he didn’t and also use it to get leverage to get up.
@@talemwakaheru5831 O'Malley had 1 GOOD shot on Merab in round 1, the rest were glancing or barely could be described as damaging shots but Guru is telling people he was snapping Merabs head back from all these shots he landed. Up until the take down by Merab, I could maybe see O'Malley winning by a very very slim margin but after the take down and shots landed Merab took the round and then kept it going where O'Malley didn't land a single thing after that.
@@talemwakaheru5831bro he’s being held down against the cage 😂 the knees to O’malleys head were weak af and didn’t rock him so it’s obvious the knees to the thigh weren’t shit
The problem is that you tempered the ranks of clean, impact and powerfull shots according to the fight(u said that). which changes what normally would be a “impact” strike to perhaps a “powerful” strike which then gives the Punch to much scoring. Its in fights like this where very few “significant” strikes are landed the takedowns and knees to the thigh get a relative stronger effect on the scoring.
Piggy was coping & glazing Sean & Tim bc after Schmitty's meltdown, he's thinking that there might be an opening soon in that friend group & he's angling to fill it.
Guru with his endless repetition that i went to their podcast n I trashed them is his only line when his fans called him out. He thinks his fans are stupid n will buy in whatever he tricks them with.
He simply says he isn't the biggest O'malley cuck, he likes his fighting style, knows the judging criteria, but he also called out O'malley cheating and his wife ect. What should he say to those comments? "Yes i love O'malley in every way" like that's nit the reality
Btw damage is not only based on how clean the punches or kicks were but how much impact they had which is judged by the opponents reactions to those shots
@@twentytwenty3511 sure that can count towards damage! Though it was merabs erratic movement that got Sean to stand still. But yes if I hit you in thigh so much it limited your movement that counts as damage. I think you think we're defending Sean in this and your mistaken 😂
It’s crazy how different of a demeanor you have now vs when you were in Tim’s pod. Not once said you didn’t want to go and train and even welcomed sparring Schmitt
Nobody would care if you got sponsors as long as they didn’t force you to change your style of content or police your opinions. Everyone has told you that for a long time and that’s not what people mean saying you’re selling out. People are talking about you trying to gaslight your own fans and doing a 2 hour propaganda campaign for a garbage performance because you have a personal/business relationship with the guy.
At the end of the day, O'Malley didnt deserve to be in this position. He lost to yan, got the ufc assist on aljo, they treated his eye poke of munhoz as a win and just sent him up the rankings. The circus is shut down and all thats left is a sad clown.
You are no expert nor analyst. Children watch your vids coz you mock fighters. Stop doing that and see how your content is just intrusive toughts for casuals
What's a tought? And where's your proof children watch his videos because he mocks fighters? There is nothing worse than virtue signalling. That's what you're doing. Take a look in the mirror and solve your own issues before taking the moral high ground.
Spot on. He mocks fighters, says how he'll have bonuses for prelims, never does them. Also acts like he's less biased than in truth, leans into the popular audience that's obsessed with press conferences and race or the not mixed part of MMA (grappling is shit). Loves drama and is a career man. Nothing wrong with chasing your career but a lot of his stances are uneducated and dangerous for the equally uneducated average Murican MMA fan.
@@franlovelsimic8421 Don't watch his content if you don't like him. Calling his content dangerous for others makes you sound like someone who doesn't like free speech so you're a bigger problem for 'others' than he is.
For sure dude is gay for omalley, who does 2 videos 1 hour each defending omalley😂 i cant wait for onalley to go on a losing streak and guru losing his shit😂
An interesting factor. The linch pin of both videos is “damage based” from Guru, as it should be. However, with an admission (and one that I agree with) that everything scoring wise on Guru’s behalf had to be scaled down to begin with because nothing in this fight from either guy landed with any real ‘power’. This leaves us with an odd situation where we have to subjectively assess what’s damaging in rd 1 & 3 when nothing really was, from either fighter (relative to the bombs we see from our favourite fights on a regular basis). Thats a tough ask to begin with but not impossible. I think the egregious misstep was downgrading the few control time moments and guilly attempt (whether or not it was used as a utility for position in the end doesn’t cancel it out totally as an attempt). Because it disallows scoring to flow down to secondary criteria due to arguing that say, ‘we can’t go to control and subs, minor strikes etc’ when the first criteria “damage” or “impact” was in Sean’s favour. I just don’t think it was. Even with the system Guru has used. Sean’s lack efficacy with striking in rd 1 & 3 is glaring. While being able to label them as clean, glancing, impact etc. It’s all so low tier in damage that I don’t think it matters. All this ramble is to say that. I get ya mate, I do. I do not want Merab as champ and fuck me was I tempted to break my neck dissecting this too. Just think you missed this one chief. Doesn’t matter, don’t need the explanation. You can be right, you can be wrong. Onto the next vid, who gives a fuck anyway… Well we do because we love the UFC but you get my drift.
Idk MMA GURU is growing on me When I first started watching him I hated him but he isn’t just giving his opinions he’s giving facts And when he is wrong he says it Idk GURU is probably the best mma channel we have Like I said I never liked him but the last few fight when I watched him live I got hooked on him GURU keep up the good work and you can never make anyone of these casuals happy Much respect from a former hater!!!
I don't know. Guru literally told O-Malley to his face that Yan would beat him, same goes for holloway. This video and the previous one has more to do with Guru hating Merabs style than anything else.
You can’t bring up the knees to the thighs without mentioning how they were a big reason why Sean was moving slower than normal. I feel like that makes them effective enough strikes
Thanks for keeping me in check I guess. I thought we were still using damage first scoring (turns out we aren't anymore)
The funniest part about all of this is that I legit thought that I was cooking with the video, spent like 7 hours getting all the shots and making the presentation with a smile on my face like I had just invented the cure to some illness, just to get trashed bad.
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When has damage been the main scoring criteria? Sean had 1 7 second moment in the 5th, Merab cooked him the other 24 minutes and 53 seconds, just admit you glaze fighters that talk to you?
Just admit you were wrong. Rather than continuing to dig.
*STOP THE BOATS*
When dricus got the take downs against Strickland it count huh?
😂😂Good man, that's why I watch you mate. Never afraid to laugh at yourself, bless :)
You had a mental breakdown and not once thought where's shmitty??
You are amazing 😂
@@jokesonyou5629you too babe 😅
I love this hahahaha
I just called to say I love you
YOU AND I ARE THE SAME SCHMITTY!
Not a single thought for schmitty in this whole video. Disgusting
Really is sad
@@omarisawesome1996 absolutely horrible. How can anyone even sleep at night knowing no one spared a thought for the schmitmeister
And he basically made the fucking video
Schmitty is a lesser. Peon if you will.
@@Farangutanng schimmty is no pleebian
The more egregious crime here is Guru doesn't have his UA-cam settings set to Dark Mode.
Guru doesnt like anything dark
FACTS!!!
@@bojanglespoonan8419 Yikes xD
What kind of animal does that
Like getting hit with a blinding light
Schmitty made this video fucking massive
Did you once stop to think about schmitty?
@@Thesleptguitarist Bro, Schmitty knows he's welcome. He'll phone us if he wants to come.
@SparkkyBojangles he txt me he loves me 😂
@@cooperman8850😂😂
@@Thesleptguitaristoriginal
First time a pig was cooked without an apple in its mouth
He had eggs in his ass instead
He had eggs in his ass instead
😂😂😂
Hahahahhaa
You stole my comment 😂
This was Guru’s humiliation ritual.
This was Guru’s equivalent to Cersei’s walk of atonement
Not remotely. It's just a reaction to brain dead trolls over an objective video with a very valid and simple point. The only person who should feel humiliated is you for being so dense and slow.
😂😂😂
That's not at all what's happening here. He's making a very simple point about damaged based scoring prevailing, like it's supposed to, over the fight stalling hugging and running away tactics of merab and other fighters.
If Guru invites you to one of his parties you MUST SAY NO
BUT NO ONE FOR A SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT SCHMITTY?????
Schmitty texted guru he loved him
@@thomasschreiber104He didn't wanna put extra stress on him
Not JUAN person!
Someone did
Here from JESSE ON FIRE… whos schmitty?!?!
“Only 5 more minutes buddy then it’s all over 🥺 ”-Tim Welch
O'Malley won the last round though and had Merab in trouble.
@@PB22559 merab was on his bike chilling and smiling the whole time
@@PB22559 😂😂😂😂
@@PB22559 Shut up kid
Yes that's what he said and who cares?
As a coach his job is to find weaknesses and give advice ect jot watch strike for strike and grappling action and score fights live.
He just assumed they would need a finish couse the judges would give Merab the fight couse they like contol time better
"It was revenge for Guru trying to steal Schmittys spotlight, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. Schmitty was a made man and Guru wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was among the MMA fans. It was real greaseball shit" - Tim Welch
Underrated comment
Lmao 😂 thank you for that.
Rip Ray 🙏
Whats this about
@@lukebfilms4232fr
bro really made a 52 minute long video about this
Yes he is shocked about his fans not getting damage based scoring he is right on rds 5 and 3 just not 1
Based, I wish it was 3 hours long
@@mooserocka522 49-46
Sean must be riding him well
Bro was deleting tf out of comments
I respect Guru for not taking sponsors. Thank you for keeping the videos clean porky
Jon Jones is gay part 5 sponsored by corn nuts, corn to the core
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Unlike his diet lmao
Who was lining up to sponsor a scruffy walrus? 😄
@@paulie.walnuts2838Bruv MMA Joey has had sponsors before. Companies will sponsor literally anyone if it will get them money.
You guys really got this man shook rn for his comments😂
For being so large, really interesting how thin the piggy's skin is. He went in to a mental breakdown lol
The best comment was "damage is subjective and control time isnt"
Damage is subjective 💀💀💀 ????
@@birthd-y yea you can't actually measure the power of every shot or even see if some strikes land. How do knees to the thigh measure up to low kicks, jabs to lead elbow? How about someone like Choi Doo Ho that barely gets a mark or bruise on his face no matter how much he gets hit compared to someone like Nate that's leaking after a jab? Damage is subjective and varies wildly according to the viewer, control time isnt
And that’s the exact problem. control time should only be taken in to count if it’s advantageous, a sht ton of merabs control time was him just hugging sean and not doing anything but light punches, barely any good ground and pound
@@OutWitzed I agree. I think Merab won based on how the rules are laid out but in my opinion if you aren't doing damage and you aren't in a dominant position (mount, back, side control) then it shouldn't count for anything. Like how are we having fights where one guy lays on top of the other for 25 minutes and we come away from it thinking "wow! he was really kicking his ass with all that hugging he did on the ground!"
@MakeFood-sc4of I mean like if someone held you to the ground and didn’t attempt to do anything except stay heavy on you and not let you up for 25 minutes and then afterwards you walk away completely unscathed and unbothered are you really thinking “wow he just beat my ass!” At a certain point it’s not rly fighting as much as it’s playing the scoring rules of a sport. And Sean did get up most of the time it just took him too damn long but I don’t think that was for lack of trying I think Merab is just the best wet blanket in the UFC.
I think the main point you forget is that literally no one in real time thought Sean had even a chance to get the decision.
True. Merab clearly won at the time when watching it, picking it apart with anxiety for hours after lol
@@brennanbarber7469 How is that strange to you? You'll notice things you missed when you rewatch the fight that's just duh obvious lol??
I tought omalley did more dammage, but the judges were gonna give it to merab, cuz in ufc hugs equals beating the shit of the dude being hug.
@Rule34Artist. Depends on the fight this fight wasn't close like at all, that's like rewatching Henry vs Merab and making an Argument Henry won on second watch, fights that aren't close don't need a second watch we didn't miss anything besides more loosing
@@brennanbarber7469 so you're saying everybody notices everything that needs to be noticed the first time they watch the fight everytime??? There's never a need to rewatch a fight? That just makes zero sense. And I also don't think it matters what type of bias someone might have going into a rewatch as long as they aren't like leaving parts out or being disingenuous. Like cameras were invented so you can literally go back in time and see what happened. If someone's take on a fight is wrong you should just be able to tell them when where and why they're wrong
I’ve been a loyal paying subscriber since 2006 when Guru first ever watched a UA-cam video and I’m absolutely appalled by this scoring take. Im so drawn aback I’ve moved to the East and am now training with the Dagestanis full time and have gone on to win my first 4 professional fights by split decision via control time 🙏. So sad to see my favorite channel cave to millions under the table by the Weasel and Omalley. SHMITTY WAS RIGHT!!!!!
Guru almost seemed like he was on the verge of crying in this video. Chin up Guru, we still love ya.
This is why comments mean nothin most of the time 😂 yall speak out ya as
*chins
10 mins in but to me it seems he's bummed but playing it up, don't think he was about to cry unless it gets worse later in the video
Hard knock life for a pig
We watched different videos
Someone once said when the comments are overwhelmingly on one side there’s some truth in it. Who said that again?
Doesn’t apply to him I guess only schmitty lol
Comments of casuals who think potato head will do something to jon jones potato heads IQ is like 10
Did you not once think that Schmitty said it?
It's incredible your falling for it
Nah not with mass suggestion and mass psychosis like during covid. Dumb dumb
The biggest reason the video failed was because O’Malley just didn’t win that fight
Neither fighter really deserved to win that shitshow.
Bro did not watch the video
@@maincapitol8813merab literally trolled O’mally the entire fight
@@felixtorres6512omg he kissed his back so he literally trolled him the entire fight how though did you watch the video ? Love how y’all can glaze merab but heaven forbid someone says the fight was closer than some people made it seem
@@reklaw8524People don't want damage in fights. They want hugging and melatonin decisions so they can call it "domination". It's no different then the jab, grab, and run Floyd BS that killed boxing. Why are you allowed to win fights by not doing damage it's gay as fuck
Guru actually seemed bothered by the comments. Never thought I'd see the day
The Niko Avocado of the fight gayme
the comments were quite harsh to be honest
He’s joking, dummy.
@@jozefhorniak8191 it was deserved.
@@PatkaBoy831for disagreeing that a lay and pray meerab lost round 1 and 3? Gtfoh.
Worst cope since JRE watched DDP destroy Izzy
He didnt destroy Izzy, was pretty competitive.
@@xeta180 he rocked him and made him tap and was up on the scorecards and made him cry at the press conference, ddp indeed destroyed him mentally and physically
@@xeta180idk ab that one
Bro watched 3 minutes of each video
Ehh okoye was worse
I went back and watched the first round and Sean didn’t win that round. It was close first 2.5 minutes and then Merab carried the rest of the round with multiple takedowns. He needs to stop promoting this damage thing when you can watch that first round and see 0 damage.
Also Are we suppose to ignore that Sean himself clapped and recognized merabs win before the announcment
I agree Merab clearly won that round 1
Guru never had the makings of a varsity athlete
quasimodo predicted all this
💀💀💀
It was a very difficult situAYtion
JV tops
I dont think you understand the back room workouts involved in chess.
you said you only score control time in close rounds. at 14:00 you called the rounds o’malley supposedly won “close rounds”. merab smashed o’malley. merab takes 1 and 3 because the striking was close enough even by your numbers, and merab had more control time if you include the back control in round 1 like bedtime said. PHD in o’malley meat riding.
Close in strike stats but not the main criteria which is damage.
@@wipkpremium5691there’s were no much damage from both sides
Google the scoring criteria and paste it here Einstein it specifically states that TD and control time don’t matter if there aren’t any sub attempts pathetic to score anything while not knowing the criteria
I would say Merab won round 1 because of the guillotine. He had less than a minute of control in that round
@@DarrenReddix-j2n No merab was barely throwing before the takedown Sean was hitting body punches and teaps
First time we seen a kink in piggy’s armor
Bro really interpreted the phrase "damage triumphs over all" as "damage is the only thing that matters".
Well seeing as control time is only really supposed to be counted in the absence of damage
@@danmoore1427 Isn't control time to be counted/evaluated "when damage is considered equal"? (Control time = not actively pursuing submissions, holding ur opponent down)
Those two things literally mean the same exact thing in this context. If damage is present, that is the only thing scored. If damage is not present or equal, you move to secondary criteria being aggression and if aggression is equal aswell, you judge tertiary being octagon control. It literally says the main thing determining effective striking/grappling are strikes or sequences that would most likely contribute to a potential finish
bro I'm not tryna triple down but "triumphs over all" is pretty clear wording...
If we are just going by damage, no way did ddp win against strickland. All you need to do is look at their faces after the fight.
I mean cmon. merab is 100p the champ rn, and 200% won the fight with zero doubt. that doesnt mean it was a fun or even good fight. but merab did win. round 3 sean needed a finish. rounds 4 and 5 were just depressing since sean looked like he was afraid of the little guy.
Merab won 3-2 but still He dominated that fight....🤙🇬🇪
@@IsenathiDyantyi only round anyone could possibly give to Sean was round 5, at which point Merab stopped caring and knew he already won and just did cardio bouncing around the octagon as an exercise. That's how FREE Sean was for him. Get a fucking grip. "MUH DAMMIDGE" is the kind of bullshit that's the reason MMA is never going to be taken as seriously as boxing. If you do damage, it's a reward of its own. What the FUCK is the point of giving someone a round because they did "more damage" for a couple seconds even though they lost 90% of the entire round? Shouldn't they have won since they rattled someone's cage so hard that it warrants a point win for the round? THAT'S WHY KNOCKDOWNS ARE SCORED. Seriously, I hate humping into decisions as much as the next guy, but if you're gonna watch MMA, stop pretending it's not a strategy that gets points. You can complain it sucks, because it does. But to pretend it's not a factor in winning a round in score is as delusional as it gets.
I wish O'Malley had won. That being said, deleting comments because ''I think a specific fanbase is raiding me'' is pretty low. Are you for or against free speech?
he’s from the UK so the lad barely understands the concept of free speech.
He’s deleted comments before this. He deleted a comment by a member that had a lot of likes in the “fights to make video” that exposed how only now that Merab is champ he’s all for Umar getting a title shot but if it was O’Malley he would say Figgy should get it. And the next comment he deleted said guru was just as biased and copes just as much as everyone he trashes(Dana, Rogan, Ariel, DC etc.).
The point is, it ruins the video. Comments are meant to be about the video itself. It’s like deleting fake reviews or something. It’s got nothing to do with freedom of speech
@@birthd-y engagement is all the same it doesn't ruin the video he just doesn't like people are trashing him
He was concerned the situation might get blown way out of proportion.. I wonder why 😅
Goes on Tim welch podcast and says you have to listen to the hate comments because they’re right most of the time
Proceeds to go to war with the majority of his own fanbase telling him he’s delusional and wrong, either read the comments and listen or just stay out of them if you can’t handle it lil bro
And deleting comments
Deleting comments was so not on my card, guru is exactly the person he laughs people for. Cheap coping.
@@loopvil369
As he explained, he thought he was being raided by merab fans initially because there were negative comments with hundreds of likes in seconds, not an unreasonable thing to think. He stopped when he realised it was real hate…
Go to war with?? Lol he took most of it on the chin in fairness.
@@lokevoice sounds like a very nonsensical cope to me.
“It feels like America just lost the war” MMAGURU 2024 🐽
Good one
Lmao 🤣 🤣
SCHMITTY!!!!!!
again, you didn't post any reasons why he's wrong
Dont have to@@ItsameAlex
Here is the truth: when an mma fan watches a style he hates get a decision by shutting down a style he loves, he’s gonna find a way to asterisk the result. All of us do it
And the only hated style is a boring ass crotch sniffer controlling ground time without committing to trying to get a finish
That’s FACTS ! bravo 👏🏻
That's not at all what's happening here. He's making a very simple point about damaged based scoring prevailing, like it's supposed to, over the fight stalling hugging and running away.
@@ezradaiquiri11311
"Like it supposed to", no the scoring criteria is effective striking/grappling, this isn't a "damage" based sport like it or not.
@@DarrenReddix-j2n striking, grappling, and octagon control in that order. You just lied.
Guru doesn’t realize that the escape to a tight guillotine is going to your back. Merab DID have a tight guillotine which is why O’Malley turned onto his back giving Merab top position. It was only after O’Malley did that did Merab let go. O’Malley is an experienced enough submission grappler to know when to go to his back to escape a dangerous guillotine attempt.
So then you used a submission attempt to gain position, use that position to try and end the fight.
merab cant submit a fly,
Piggy has never exercised or sparred a day in his life so he doesn’t know these things.
@@Souljaxl the submission attempt and then the subsequent improved and advancing positions are scored under effective grappling. Effective grappling is scored with the same weight as striking.
@@Souljaxl the escape to a tight guillotine is to go to your back. O’Malley successfully escaped the submission attempt.
I rewatched the fight again because of Guru and I think even more strongly O’Malley lost. Scoring a fight isn’t purely objective. It is very subjective. That’s the fun part. Jeff Blatnick understood this RIP. Guru is too young to know anything about Blatnick though. Unless O’Malley had dropped Merab or broke his nose or black eye, it’s virtually impossible to understand how much any of O’Malley’s strikes actually hurt Merab. You could easily claim Merab hurt O’Malley with some of those aggressive takedowns. However, we all saw how exhausted and frustrated O’Malley was after the fourth round. He was getting his style neutralized and couldn’t stop Merab imposing his will on him the whole fight.
Ah, made some comments to that effect whereas you’ve already summed it up perfectly. The only problem in this whole thing is how people won’t admit the criteria are subjective and their opinion of the scoring may be wrong and unless there is a finish most of the times whoever wins the fight is a matter of opinion
@@jokingbird Guru is trying to score MMA like you score a basketball game or a boxing match or something. Scoring in MMA is almost like scoring a dance competition or figure skating sometimes. There is a VERY subjective element to it that is the secret sauce that makes MMA so much fun. Because you know that can all get cleared up if there’s a finish.
@@jokingbird I mostly agree, but ''subjective'' doesn't mean it is the wild west. Judging who did more ''effective striking'' is not purely objective and it can be challenging to weigh different strikes if it is close or try to compare 5 hard shots with 15 jabs or whatever, but if someone outlands their opponents by 300% it's not just a matter of opinion and agree to disagree.
It’s not “very subjective” this is the bs you guys say when your emotions come to a conclusion that the facts don’t come to.
Look, no matter how frame by frame you attempt to snag victory from the jaws of defeat, we all felt the same level of defeat at the end of the fight. We all knew Sean lost, it was obvious on the spot. The judges don’t get frame by frame analysis
We need MMA content, not Guru coping everyday for an hour on the O malley fight..
This is free content. You’re not a member. If you don’t pay, don’t complain
Fr that was cheap and weak
That's how u operate. You used to shit on DDP now that he gave u attention you're his biggest fan, same with O'Malley 😂
Everyone thought DDP was ass back in the day. No one thought he would be champ. It's called having a healthy mindset when you have one idea, then that idea is proven wrong, and you update and change how you feel. DDP is the champ of the world and Guru was right for changing his mind with more data and evolving how he thinks, and he was accurate in his prediction that DDP would beat Strickland and Izzy.
Same with Paddy. 😂
Cope mentality. You're allowed to change your mind after the fighter in questions wins a fucking championship.
Not one reply from the tard yet, wow. Not a single mention of whether you still think its fair to give praise to ddp, just a tard that needs to be wrangled.
And now ddp unfollowed him over the nina shit..😂
Guru seems to have forgot about the damage Merab did to Sean’s soul
If it’s damage then Strickland won
Yes. This is the toughest thing for Piggy. DDP’s face at the end of the fight showed the damage Sean did. But Piggy is ride or die for DDP so … he’s gunna be biased on that one
@@JohnRayAllDaysean jabbed the entire fights, he had blood running down his face
Lmao YUP
@@s66s46and all that jabbing left DDP swollen like Will Smith in Hitch. Worse, even
Rounds are scored individually
Your logic makes no sense. The reason there are other criteria in the rules is for fights like this, where the damage exchanged is negligible. O’Malley and Merab exchanged some pot shots on the feet and you’re trying to gas light the fans into thinking that those exceed O’Malley getting put flat on his back, gassing and quitting.
And the brutal knees (about 40 of them) don’t count but some little pussy leg kicks count as a clean strike lol. And the 13 knees and 2 or 3 takedowns in round 1 don’t outweigh sugas 2 strike advantage in the round lol.
SEAN BARELS BREATHING AFTER 10 MINITES OF FIGHTING MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE HE THREW 3 JABS MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Porky The Schmitty Guru
Agreed, I thought they were suppose to have more 10-8 rounds. I thought if a round is a clear win it's 10-8. If it's debatable then 10-9. A total dominant one sided round is 10-7.
Rnd 1,3: Maybe 10-9 O'malley if so: then rounds 2 and 4 are 10-8 Merab.
@@giacalonebuilding4443 he kicked his leg 3 times clean and did 0 damage with it, tgat is way better then 30 knees to the thigh that visibly made sean slower on feet!!!!
Gassing and quiting? Bro. He won round 5 u hooligan 😂
The rules don't say "damage". It's "immediate and cumulative impact that contributes to the end of the fight". And yes, you can hook your own gloves.
Merab won 3-2 & He dominated that fight...🤙🇬🇪
Crashout on stream yesterday was amazing 😂
Honestly that’s what he gets for doubling down I thought he was gonna get over it a couple hours after the fight but no he double down on it which made most of us angry like bro learn to move on.
Guru crashouts are my favorite
@@mrdisaster5880learn to stop being hardheaded 😂 he keeps doubling down because y’all STILL saying merab dominated him like it wasn’t a close fight
@@OutWitzed and you are backing him up because you are bias fanboy honestly even fighters are saying the same thing we are saying the only people saying the opposite is guru and y’all fanboys.
@@OutWitzed either way moaning and whining won’t undo what’s done part of being a man is to know when to move on specially in an already lost war.
How you can think someone won a fight when they were controlled for almost half the fight is insane to me.
Also, Are we suppose to ignore that Sean himself clapped and recognized merabs win before the announcment
You said "O'Malley maybe got 3 and 5" when you were watching the fight. So you gave the fight to Merab. Now you got 2 hours of video talking about how O'Malley got robbed - you are a genius!
Hot tub changes a man....
😂😂😂
😂😂😂 i think i used mine about 3 times in about 3 years
I can picture guru dipping fried chicken drumsticks into a tub of mayo while the jets are bubbling from all over, pieces of chicken and mayo globs falling into the hot steaming bath, laughing to himself in insanity while staring at his subscribers trophy from youtube with an eeeevil grin, both content and miserable at the same time
@@ky1ejennings I mean this is brootal, why is he so jolly and relaxed. Disgusting.
Where is the angrily screaming ,sweaty long hair having, wheel chair riding, stinky beanie wearing, never back downing son of a gun?
@@eddiethealien Sus comment
Guru down bad. He hid all or merabs good strikes. Round 1 O’Malley clearly got out struck
Yup by 12 strikes according to the stats.
"clearly" they say how
At which time of round 1 did Merab do that?
Couse on the feet as i saw Merab didn't land shit a few glancing leg kicks and shit. On the ground a few little clinch shots and that's all. You can "outland" someone and still lose if you do 0 fucking damage with those strikes.
Merab can land 20 knees to the leg and 20 weak ass glancing leg kicks, if he eats 3 good knees 3 good body kicks 3 good hooks and eat a headkick he will lose the striking battle despite "But he landed 4 times more". Diaz landed more strikes on Conor according to the stats but it wasn't Conor who got his face changed after 25 minutes either.
you keep saying "for the past 5 years its been damage based scoring" when this has never been true. It never actually says the word damage in the scoring criteria. this is not hard to google, i dont understand why everyone has just decided to make up this idea that scoring is based purely on damage. you should look at the actual rules rather than just saying what you think sounds right
Effective striking is priority and a damaging strike is effective striking so he’s not wrong.
@@doc8090 The top criteria is effective striking/GRAPPLING. effective striking is held in the same importance as effective grappling. you can simplify effective striking to damage if you want, but you cant do the same with grappling. Effective grappling is defined in the criteria as, "Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact." With this in mind, Merab's guillotine in round 1 would have been considered more effective than Sean's damage in round 1, merab wins round 1. He also wins 2 and 4, so he wins the fight.
@@doc8090 The top criteria is effective striking/GRAPPLING. effective striking is held in the same importance as effective grappling. you can simplify effective striking to damage if you want, but you cant do the same with grappling. Effective grappling is defined in the criteria as, "Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact." With this in mind, Merab's guillotine in round 1 would have been considered more effective than Sean's damage in round 1, merab wins round 1. He also wins 2 and 4, so he wins the fight.
@@doc8090 The top criteria is effective striking/GRAPPLING. effective striking is held in the same importance as effective grappling. you can simplify effective striking to damage if you want, but you cant do the same with grappling. Effective grappling is defined in the criteria as, "Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact."
With the Immediate weighing more than the cumulative. That’s the part you need to stop ignoring. Pitter patter strikes are not remotely close to actual strikes. Wall stalling is not remotely close to actual strikes. If a takedown or position change does not lead to a potentially fight ending result then it’s weighed Below.
The main issue is that people say it’s damage based scoring and damage over everything when that’s actually not the case. It’s *Impact* based scoring which comes from Effective Striking/Grappling.
Impact includes swelling and lacerations as well as the diminishing of the opponents energy, confidence, abilities and spirit. Which is exactly what Merab did.
Neither O’Malley or Merab’s striking did anything to damage the other significantly or lead to the end of the fight with immediate damage. But Merab’s grappling did diminish O’Malley’s energy, confidence, abilities and spirit which is why I believe he won R1
he won 3rd as well
100% wrong. Damage is the top criteria and that was made publicly known a while ago. That being said, there was no damage .
So if Merab decides to just run around the ring in circles for 25 minutes you think he wins if he’s less tired at the end? It’s about who’s closer to ending the fight with things that could end the fight in the immediate weighed much more than things that can end it cumulatively in the long term. So one good body shot, which could be close to ending the fight is better than laying on someone for 25 minutes and hoping they get tired and give up.
It is actually the case
Read the rules
Damage>>>everything else
Taking someone down and not doing any damage with it or no submission attempts wont get you scored
I don’t know how anyone can make the conclusion that O’Malley won when the look on his face said it all after the 4th round.
The problem is: control time, agression criteria do not just come in when the damage is 100% exactly even. Rounds 1 & 3 were clearly close enough damage wise to where grappling & control time have to be considered. So no, Sean did not win those two rounds just bc. he may have slightly outdamaged Merab _ he was losing in all other criteria categories. That’s exactly why it looked to everyone (Sean and Timbo included) like Sean was losing
This exactly is the correct argument for Merab winning.
At the same time I think it’s fair to say there IS enough separation of damage in 1 and/ or 3 to score for Sean but that is ultimately judges interpretation of the rules and fair either way ( lame answer)
Personally live I had damage too close in round 1 to ignore the grappling.
Also people need to remember fights are scored live by human beings and the “vibe” atmosphere and fighters expressions and faces and reactions to shots DO inherently play a part in their decision especially in close rounds,
Really basic stuff that people don’t want to understand
First logical take
You're misunderstanding the rules. Damage is the main factor to look at when scoring effective striking. Guru's saying that in 1 and 3 Sean's effective striking was more than Merab's effective grappling. Because remember damage is pretty much all you look at when determining effective striking. WHERE AS simply taking someone down and getting control time on them like Merab is NOT how you score effective grappling. So no you don't have to look at aggression or ring control imo
@@jond.7808 finally some sense
The very fact that GURU thought Merab had a rabid fanbase is hysterical.🤣🤣🤣
He scored the first rd of umar vs azmat bezkat for umar. So his own argument is completely irrelevant to future fights like this where merab dominated for 24 mins and Sean had 1 okay minute
Bro shut the fuck up "Merab dominated for 24 minutes"
First off MMA is not scored by minutes. He can hold Sean and hump his legs for minutes, then he can get hurt to the bdoy and lose a 5 minute round.
Also for example Merab was running around and getting smacked up for like 2-3 minutes in the first round.
You make no sense. MMA is not seconds of scoring or minutes. 5-5 minute round, you do more in those rounds, you win. You can get hold down for 4 minutes and 50 sec and then can het knocked down 3 times in 10 sec for 5 rounds and you can have 24 minutes and 10 sec of control you still lose couse you got knocked down 15 times in 50 sec
Still deluded. Overrating O’Malley strikes, underrating Merab strikes. And it was never that absolutely physically dominating your opponent doesn’t count at all. That’s just silly
Guru is trying to bring up the fact that he used to make fun of O'Malley as him not glazing, but this is just a Dana White tactic. Shit on fighters until they can make you money like Jones can for Dana and Guru having access to O'Malley's team.
remember cyborg, he cooked her for years until she worked for him
You claim you started deleting negative comments because you "thought you were getting hate raided by Merab fans" 🤔 You know damn well, that's a lie. You stare deleting them to curate your comment section. You only stopped because you realized that so many were negative, if you kept deleting them, you'd have no comment left.
BASED
@@juliusjs9278 Oh look, a sheep person who parrots trendy words because they're a try hard who wants so badly to "fit in". Poor guy
Damage based scoring might be the biggest myth in UFC history lol. Scoring is based on effective striking/grappling
Which is all about damage. The only thing that is valued in effective grappling/striking is how much does it contribute to ending the fight with the immediate weighing more than the cumulative impact. That is damage based, grappling is only judged as effective if it contributes to ending the match.
@@Souljaxl
Grappling & damage isn't the same thing, sure you can say strikes but grappling? Come on now
Besides Sean wasn't landing damaging shots in round 1 anyways.
Even in defeat, guru finds away to not admit defeat 😂
I just think the sub attempt in round one is the most significant danger for either fighter in the round. Also O’Malley grabbed the fence to keep from getting flattened out on the first takedown in round one.
2 things. Firstly, Mighty Mouse (aka the goat) said that getting kneed in the thigh fucking hurts. So probably should be considered a strike similar to a light jab.
Secondly, the Weasle brought up a screen shot of the scoring criteria which does not specially say damage over grappling.
I agree on the first point, but on the second point, Damage Trumps All is a pretty accurate summary of the criteria. The true verbiage is "Effective striking and grappling" but it goes further to depict what is meant by effective. Damage is considered to be the most important because it contributes towards a possible end of the fight, and damage is most easily done by striking.
Grappling can also contribute towards the end of a fight, but this is usually through either submissions or ground and pound. Submissions are harder to judge, because some people can spam submissions that will never actually work(guillotines are a common example), they are not often taken seriously compared to cumulative damage done via striking. Even the tightest, closest submissions you can find--like the ones Ortega had against Volkanovski--if they fail, they don't leave the opponent any closer towards losing the fight compared to striking that nearly knocks someone out.
@@michaelmccarty1327 agreed, so did The Weasle just leave out other parts of the rules?
You need MM to tell you a knee in the side of the thigh hurts?? Have you never been kneed in the side of the thigh? You must not have competed in any sport throughout your life. I've never competed in mma but have received plenty of knees to the side of the thigh competing in other sports. Its painful and hard to walk for a while after.
notice how the ddp v strickland was wayyyy closer than this yet he didnt make a video cuz his buddy bud won
Yes, but Sean still won so did the other Sean
How u gonna go on Tim Welch podcast and say the comments are where the truth lies then make a 52 minute long video saying the comments are wrong
To be fair half the commenters openly admitted they didn't even watch the video.
@@pokeyanteater598 because its a flawed postion he has irrespective of watching his 1 hour deluded rant. and the people saw that
@@aceofhearts8036if you just watch the video your whole opinion on the fight will change
@@pokeyanteater598don’t have to watch the video when you’ve seen the fight it was pretty clear
@aceofhearts8036 yeah sorry this is just shit logic. By this logic you don't need to watch anything or know anything as long as the individual thinks he's correct lmao. How could you be this delusional
Lmao Guru got cooked 🐽
Some sauce with your grilled Guru sir?
Most overused word of 2024 "cope"
I'll order the bbq baby back Guru ribs
@@roymarthkirby428... With a bakers dozen of Merab kisses to bless the backside of the ribs.
Popular opinion means nothing in a world of idiots.
bro just burned bridges with the O'Malley crew just to appease the mob-- self destruction on both parts
This just seems like a “what’s a catch” situation from the nfl. I quickly read over the judging criteria and it’s pretty vague. I think this could spark some very interesting conversations about judging and the rules.
High IQ take.
the criteria isn't just vague and subjective there's too much of it. No one can actually use the criteria properly when watching a fight live it's effectively useless. If you need to watch the fight in half speed for hours to determine a winner it's obviously a flawed way to score fights
Hopefully it does because the “Aggression and Control” section of the scoring criteria seems to refer to ring generalship and forward pressure in some fights and maintaining top position in others. Extremely subjective criteria here. My opinion is that maintaining top position without actively seeking submissions or going for effective ground & pound strikes should not be scored positively.
@@Rule34Artist.most fights are not close so it’s not needed. Do you think any rules that cannot be perfectly applied in real time are bad? Like what is even your argument? Because something is difficult to do and may need more time to be done perfectly there is no point in doing it at all?
@@Souljaxl I was very clear with what I said. None of it was hard to understand lol maybe reread it?
Its a shame were talking about all this. Merabs the champion. Every fight he took he delivered, against the promotion of his opponent, recently against staf. Turned champion money so he wouldnt have to fight his friend. Knowing he was the best in the division and had the balls to play the long game. Talk about a fucking stud. Good god can we stop coping for the 2nd place guy already.
Merab is a likable village idiot and O’Malley is just a weirdo
decision merchant
It is a shame that the focus is not on celebrating Merab, but it's his own fault for employing this style. Grapplers have a way to silence the haters: finishing opponents. Many before Merab have done it, Merab has not and will not do it. He deserves this controversy. I'm not denying that he won btw.
Gay
"Im getting to know the fanbase" its always been like this bro, you just never really paid attention
"I thought this was gonna cook" It did, it cooked you
The worst part about the hour long breakdown is . We could of, had an hour long breakdown on jon jones being gay. What a shame 😔
'We could have had...' 'could've' not 'could of'. Learn basic grammar before you start commenting on what others are doing.
Real talk tho, this kind of fan base backlash does create good points to debate and agree to disagree
Wait guys listen to another hour long video about how I’m actually the victim
You don't have to watch the video and if people talk stuff about you, you can respond
My boy said “ I spent hours on this so yall won’t comment that I was wrong , TRUST!”
@@dennisrodriguez7217 Still yet to have an actual counter argument
@@Sth863 my argument is that he didn't count the knees to the thigh as damaging shots even though Sean himself reacted to those shots, he literally went down into fetal position because of those knees.
@@talemwakaheru5831 What the fuck are you talking about? The knees to the thighs didn’t do shit and Sean wasn’t in a “fetal position” he was covering up so Merab doesnt knee him in the face which he didn’t and also use it to get leverage to get up.
@@talemwakaheru5831 O'Malley had 1 GOOD shot on Merab in round 1, the rest were glancing or barely could be described as damaging shots but Guru is telling people he was snapping Merabs head back from all these shots he landed. Up until the take down by Merab, I could maybe see O'Malley winning by a very very slim margin but after the take down and shots landed Merab took the round and then kept it going where O'Malley didn't land a single thing after that.
@@talemwakaheru5831bro he’s being held down against the cage 😂 the knees to O’malleys head were weak af and didn’t rock him so it’s obvious the knees to the thigh weren’t shit
The problem is that you tempered the ranks of clean, impact and powerfull shots according to the fight(u said that). which changes what normally would be a “impact” strike to perhaps a “powerful” strike which then gives the Punch to much scoring. Its in fights like this where very few “significant” strikes are landed the takedowns and knees to the thigh get a relative stronger effect on the scoring.
Piggy was coping & glazing Sean & Tim bc after Schmitty's meltdown, he's thinking that there might be an opening soon in that friend group & he's angling to fill it.
Guru with his endless repetition that i went to their podcast n I trashed them is his only line when his fans called him out. He thinks his fans are stupid n will buy in whatever he tricks them with.
Most fans are stupid.
I just read an article in Forbes online about you defending O'Malley in his fight with Merab. You're going through the stratosphere with this one Guru
RECENTLY STARTED GLAZING O’Malley, just as Dana recently started glazing Jones.
I can't believe you actually made bullet points about how much he hates on O'Malley to try and prove that he's not in love😂😂😂
He simply says he isn't the biggest O'malley cuck, he likes his fighting style, knows the judging criteria, but he also called out O'malley cheating and his wife ect. What should he say to those comments? "Yes i love O'malley in every way" like that's nit the reality
"We're not boys, ive only been invited on their show a few times" oh a few, what 1... 2 times "6 or 7times"
Btw damage is not only based on how clean the punches or kicks were but how much impact they had which is judged by the opponents reactions to those shots
Thank you God for this comment. No one seems to understand what the word damage means.
You mean like knees to the thighs which EVERYONE said Suguh didn't look like himself, couldn't move and waa flatfooted?
You mean like knees to the thighs repeatedly which caused Sean to not look like himself, be able to move, plant feet, and made him look flatfooted?
@@twentytwenty3511 sure that can count towards damage! Though it was merabs erratic movement that got Sean to stand still. But yes if I hit you in thigh so much it limited your movement that counts as damage. I think you think we're defending Sean in this and your mistaken 😂
@@datdude15 10-4 👍
"I've criticized him before therefore I can't be biased" -🐷
It’s crazy how different of a demeanor you have now vs when you were in Tim’s pod. Not once said you didn’t want to go and train and even welcomed sparring Schmitt
Guru making fool of himself 😂
True
at least he is somewhat retracting his asinine take of Omalley winning lmao
He's made a few million from the same fans that are calling him out now. I'd say, overall, he's doing pretty well for himself.
Nobody would care if you got sponsors as long as they didn’t force you to change your style of content or police your opinions. Everyone has told you that for a long time and that’s not what people mean saying you’re selling out.
People are talking about you trying to gaslight your own fans and doing a 2 hour propaganda campaign for a garbage performance because you have a personal/business relationship with the guy.
this
Those little cute new gasps I never heard from him shows me weakness. He is embarrassed
I was so disgusted, i didnt even watch the video. Makes sense
So you’re cluelessly disgusted at what, exactly?
So disappointed in guru…he’s made me so proud lately then he does a video like that…I’m not mad I’m just disappointed
At the end of the day, O'Malley didnt deserve to be in this position. He lost to yan, got the ufc assist on aljo, they treated his eye poke of munhoz as a win and just sent him up the rankings. The circus is shut down and all thats left is a sad clown.
I agree
Bro turned into shmity 😂
he had high blood sugar
You are no expert nor analyst. Children watch your vids coz you mock fighters. Stop doing that and see how your content is just intrusive toughts for casuals
What's a tought? And where's your proof children watch his videos because he mocks fighters? There is nothing worse than virtue signalling. That's what you're doing. Take a look in the mirror and solve your own issues before taking the moral high ground.
@@PB22559 🤡
Spot on. He mocks fighters, says how he'll have bonuses for prelims, never does them. Also acts like he's less biased than in truth, leans into the popular audience that's obsessed with press conferences and race or the not mixed part of MMA (grappling is shit). Loves drama and is a career man. Nothing wrong with chasing your career but a lot of his stances are uneducated and dangerous for the equally uneducated average Murican MMA fan.
@@franlovelsimic8421 Don't watch his content if you don't like him.
Calling his content dangerous for others makes you sound like someone who doesn't like free speech so you're a bigger problem for 'others' than he is.
Bro really is falling apart
MMA Guru has revealed himself as a sensitive gay.
its the hot tub man... not good.
For sure dude is gay for omalley, who does 2 videos 1 hour each defending omalley😂 i cant wait for onalley to go on a losing streak and guru losing his shit😂
An interesting factor. The linch pin of both videos is “damage based” from Guru, as it should be. However, with an admission (and one that I agree with) that everything scoring wise on Guru’s behalf had to be scaled down to begin with because nothing in this fight from either guy landed with any real ‘power’. This leaves us with an odd situation where we have to subjectively assess what’s damaging in rd 1 & 3 when nothing really was, from either fighter (relative to the bombs we see from our favourite fights on a regular basis). Thats a tough ask to begin with but not impossible. I think the egregious misstep was downgrading the few control time moments and guilly attempt (whether or not it was used as a utility for position in the end doesn’t cancel it out totally as an attempt). Because it disallows scoring to flow down to secondary criteria due to arguing that say, ‘we can’t go to control and subs, minor strikes etc’ when the first criteria “damage” or “impact” was in Sean’s favour. I just don’t think it was. Even with the system Guru has used. Sean’s lack efficacy with striking in rd 1 & 3 is glaring. While being able to label them as clean, glancing, impact etc. It’s all so low tier in damage that I don’t think it matters. All this ramble is to say that. I get ya mate, I do. I do not want Merab as champ and fuck me was I tempted to break my neck dissecting this too. Just think you missed this one chief. Doesn’t matter, don’t need the explanation. You can be right, you can be wrong. Onto the next vid, who gives a fuck anyway… Well we do because we love the UFC but you get my drift.
This is the best comment on here.
@@yougood809true, a constructive comment that means something about the fight instead of just slating guru
Idk MMA GURU is growing on me
When I first started watching him I hated him but he isn’t just giving his opinions he’s giving facts
And when he is wrong he says it
Idk GURU is probably the best mma channel we have
Like I said I never liked him but the last few fight when I watched him live I got hooked on him
GURU keep up the good work and you can never make anyone of these casuals happy
Much respect from a former hater!!!
By this Logic then Strickland sure asf beat DDP then if he is talking about damage first.
Screw the haters, I love your channel dude!
The collabs have created a conflict of interest which compromises the quality and integrity of your channel.
I don't know. Guru literally told O-Malley to his face that Yan would beat him, same goes for holloway. This video and the previous one has more to do with Guru hating Merabs style than anything else.
Screw this guys content started watching MMA Joey he ain’t got no bias takes
What??? He meat rides the deagastanis 😂 every Muslim worshipper with a beard he glazes
mma joey is lame and more biased than guru lmao
Id rather die than watch mmajoey
You must be a kid. Everyone on this planet has bias. It's part of being human.
@@JLC942 me too actually
Dude is just so fucking funny, 😂😂😂😂😂😂, the way he even roasts himself, is funny as hell
They should force the fighters to fight until a finsh happens or one of them quits.
lol
bro this is not the hill to die on
You can’t bring up the knees to the thighs without mentioning how they were a big reason why Sean was moving slower than normal. I feel like that makes them effective enough strikes
Guru - if me and Sean get locked in a room nobody is walking out
funny how the only people bringing up scoring criteria and damage are the ones leaning more towards o’malley
You mean the people who actually read the rules and dont just score on vibes?
No shit merab fans are blindly glazing him
@@loismylaneNo the ones who realize if you take 15 knees to the thighs you can't do a mile in 12 minutes wet brains
@@loismylane Stop equating ground and pound to lay and pray control time
@@CyrusChennault Stop equating what happened in other rounds to what happened in rounds 1 and 3. Actually watch the video