Werner Erhard speaks to Kennedy School students on his latest work: "Why We Do What We Do: A New Model Providing Actionable Access to the Source of Performance."
I took these programs from 1991 to present. He is amazing. Altered how I veiw the world and reality. I will forever be grateful that he graced this planet. Thank you Werner Erhard
The man is a true genius and like all geniuses few are understood. Again, he makes a contribution from his beingness and having existed. A real difference maker on this planet. Few can match that......
I completed the est training in 1982, almost 30 years ago. It was in San Franciso, with about 260 others, and because Erhard had reached a point where the training was catching on to so many, he was there speaking and monitoring and doing an open assesment, so as to "re-think" it for the future. At that time, he was launching the "hunger project" and addressing world hunger had a priority for him. I remember what a great experience this whole thing was, and amazed at the complete transparency.
The thing about listening to Werner Erhard speak, is to know that as he is speaking you are listening to a first, layer. Often my experience is when he speaks, most of what he says I will not get until 10 years from now...
Intention, Purpose, Actualization, Transformation. His influence lives for those of us whose lives he has touched. I am forever grateful. He puts himself out there for us all. Thanks Werner. Good seeing and hearing from you again.
You might skip to 28:20 and still be in good shape. 33:14 gets things going. This builds on the insight that language is the access to creation. And thus in a broader sense the access to effectiveness and performance. If you listened to his old 80's cassette tape "Creation - a matter of distinction" it's all there. And just as valid today. Where you are a clearing for things to occur. Language begin to shape/move the circumstances. He is repackaging old work. But it is just as valid here.
I did the Direct Access Course and left with an unfulfilled expectation - yes an upset! I thought i would leave with a new 'reality'. I do see that you have to mull this stuff over. Werner cleared some points up. I thought the only aspect I have control over is what comes out of my mouth was valuable. The challenging of what the 'I' is heady stuff. What I took from this is the 'I' is a dance with the space in which life turns up. I
@jimtsutsui I couldn't have said it better. Took me years to get what Werner was communicating. Now its up to me to make a difference in life with what I got from listening Werner. Or not.
Read some Ken Wilber to get where Russell was coming from, read some more Wilber to get where Werner is coming from, listen Werner and get that its about where your coming from. Now you will get the power of this video and the power of YOUR listening and speaking. It all comes back to who I amness is creating Being and bringing into existence. I am and then I speak
He knows what he is doing. He knows us better than we actually can understand. I did the choaching. Here he is just saying. You should try how it looks in practise. Than you are impresed...
@MissChikki777 You have to understand context. The world is happening the way its happening and its always happening the way its happening and in that context is how you hold it happening perfectly, so as to not be at the effect of the way its happening , thus be cause to make a differnce.
I think there should be a law. It's the law of 'reciprocal simplicity' - (i'm just making this up as I type along). But the law is this: the complexity of the topic should be communicated using the clearest of language. (or simpliest if that's a word) The more difficult the idea, the simpler the language used to explain it. To use complex language to explain a topic that is complex is just inviting the listener to interpret what they will. Would Werner agree or disagree with this?
@picassostrash That's an adaptation - a behaviour that is selected for that is adaptive or increases the chances of survival for that organism (and it's genes) - fear is a great communication device - the organism listens, blood pumps, eyes open - so that it is ready for action and to take in information about it's environment - like where to scramble to. I think transfixedtornado maybe saying: "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck - then it's a duck."
@picassostrash Now we're talking about automatic behaviour, unconscious reactions, Langer's mindlessness etc. But I think this misses the point entirely - transfixedtornado had said "sounds like a confusion induction..." I was making light (light jab) of your focus on 'sounds-like' - I think you took it too literal. The issue is whether the pattern of 'confusion induction/hypnosis/mind control' is an issue and whether Werner uses some of the characteristics of that - intentional confusion etc.
evidence of millions of people who have taken the course. Thousands of national and international projects as a result of the work. The Hunger Project, Highland Park project and on and on. The Question is, what evidence do you want that will validate your definition of it "working"?
@madgame1000 seems that is the basic idea of New Thought from the late 1800s and early 1900s. Creating r3ealities. I think the ideas in some religous literature.. like the idea of "Faith moves mountains", is similar in notion of what you think becomes your reality.
Very interesting...Alignment with Eli Goldratt's Theory of Constraints is strong ... The achieve of greater performance (goal units) is Effect-Cause-Effect Categories of Legitmitate Reservation Necessary and Sufficient How to Overcome Resistence to Change Give me a lever long enough I can change the world. Show me how you measure me... You will see how I behave. Transformation
BigBishop1 - est was not a cult, nor is Landmark Education - as for being associated with a religion - ridiculous! Scientologists would say they are a religion unto themselves! est and Landmark are not now nor were they ever associated with any religion.
Yes, and the I in this context is a place to come from and is always and only created from nothing. No evidence for this I,,,,,the evidence follows what the I promises and declares into existence.
Important ramifications here for reconciling Eastern and Western forms of massage and building newer models for bodywork sequences that deliver. The Western view is shackled by causality, and Eastern theory still boggles the Western mind which is addicted to logic. I could listen to Erhard speak for days or even weeks on end, and I imagine that Heidegger could have as well ;-) As with a hefty Russian novel, I'll have to plow through this thing at least three times.
I didn't get it. I have to admit I have a lot of problems with the talk (I can hear you guys saying "he doesn't 'get it'"). He seems to stay on those generalities (abstract nouns) and never descends to specifics - examples that help to clarify his points. He uses words/concepts like: ontological, paradigm, epistemological, Cartesian dualism, constraints - these are abstract ideas that cry out for explanation and integration with his central topic on performance.
@ritter89 C'mon man. This is what he does. He doesn't think any of what he is saying is "cutting edge" or "science". He is just talking, man. This guy has impacted lives by doing the thing he does: talking with an intention. It's the Theater of the REAL, and it helps. Just hush.
I't be great if those running Landmark Edu. actually kept their word concerning their "promises" inside their business model. More concern is focused on squeezing money out of each center and this concern super cedes taking care of the customers (people) to whom they claim to care about.
As long as vulnerable people from dysfunctional backgrounds exist, so will the likes of Werner, (a.k.a. Jack Rosenberg), L. Ron Hubbard, and other modern-day gurus.
I have to say that this was very disappointing, particularly in speaking to a school in management. It seems to me all he was saying in a round about way was that the exterior world is a projection of our interior world ie: that "there is here" in our perception. Not how to transform perception either in the internal world or external world to enhance our performance, or how to reprogram neurolinguistics to improve our performance or that in others, and overcome obstacles to improve performance
A pot pourrie of clichés stolen from multiple different sources (often occulting them).....if you have any integrity post this remark and let free discussion ensue. He steals from philosophers, Buddhism, linguistics etc...
Werner Erhard double talking trying to explain something....maybe he got that spiritual health is putting other people first and is trying to figure out how to make money at it...
Unfortunately his comments come off as those of a lazy thinker, with nothing to say that's "cutting edge". There's no hunger in his discussion that would come from one who is passionately consumed by his quest for noteworthy commentary.
I took these programs from 1991 to present. He is amazing. Altered how I veiw the world and reality. I will forever be grateful that he graced this planet. Thank you Werner Erhard
werner is fantastic. i listen to him about 5 times in Japan and it was a privilege for me.I look forward to listening to him again. He is real guru.
The man is a true genius and like all geniuses few are understood. Again, he makes a contribution from his beingness and having existed. A real difference maker on this planet. Few can match that......
I completed the est training in 1982, almost 30 years ago. It was in San Franciso, with about 260 others, and because Erhard had reached a point where the training was catching on to so many, he was there speaking and monitoring and doing an open assesment, so as to "re-think" it for the future. At that time, he was launching the "hunger project" and addressing world hunger had a priority for him. I remember what a great experience this whole thing was, and amazed at the complete transparency.
I did the training in 1984, never got to see Werner in person but Ken Anbender lead my training and it was a incredible experience.
The thing about listening to Werner Erhard speak, is to know that as he is speaking you are listening to a first, layer. Often my experience is when he speaks, most of what he says I will not get until 10 years from now...
Intention, Purpose, Actualization, Transformation. His influence lives for those of us whose lives he has touched. I am forever grateful. He puts himself out there for us all. Thanks Werner. Good seeing and hearing from you again.
Great thought! Gives tremendous freedom for creation and possibilities.
Fascinating conversation!
You might skip to 28:20 and still be in good shape. 33:14 gets things going. This builds on the insight that language is the access to creation. And thus in a broader sense the access to effectiveness and performance.
If you listened to his old 80's cassette tape "Creation - a matter of distinction" it's all there. And just as valid today. Where you are a clearing for things to occur. Language begin to shape/move the circumstances. He is repackaging old work. But it is just as valid here.
So great to see Werner in action again....Does anyone have recos for other Werner material on the web?
I did the Direct Access Course and left with an unfulfilled expectation - yes an upset! I thought i would leave with a new 'reality'. I do see that you have to mull this stuff over. Werner cleared some points up. I thought the only aspect I have control over is what comes out of my mouth was valuable. The challenging of what the 'I' is heady stuff. What I took from this is the 'I' is a dance with the space in which life turns up. I
@jimtsutsui I couldn't have said it better. Took me years to get what Werner was communicating. Now its up to me to make a difference in life with what I got from listening Werner. Or not.
thank you
@rapologistic ...Powerfull observation. Thank you for sharing that.
Just to finish....a smart guy. Do not judge it unless you experienced it. If u did not then its your loss.
I is the performance happening in the space/clearing which is the context of the self through languaging....
Still transforming!
Read some Ken Wilber to get where Russell was coming from, read some more Wilber to get where Werner is coming from, listen Werner and get that its about where your coming from. Now you will get the power of this video and the power of YOUR listening and speaking. It all comes back to who I amness is creating Being and bringing into existence. I am and then I speak
He knows what he is doing. He knows us better than we actually can understand. I did the choaching. Here he is just saying. You should try how it looks in practise. Than you are impresed...
@jgwphilly1969 - it has worked in my life... for over 26 years..
@MissChikki777 You have to understand context. The world is happening the way its happening and its always happening the way its happening and in that context is how you hold it happening perfectly, so as to not be at the effect of the way its happening , thus be cause to make a differnce.
I think there should be a law. It's the law of 'reciprocal simplicity' - (i'm just making this up as I type along). But the law is this: the complexity of the topic should be communicated using the clearest of language. (or simpliest if that's a word) The more difficult the idea, the simpler the language used to explain it. To use complex language to explain a topic that is complex is just inviting the listener to interpret what they will. Would Werner agree or disagree with this?
The point of his theory is to get you out of context. Unless you change your context, you can't change your behavior long term.
@MissChikki777 No, he is really always talking about YOU and your life. That is the only way to receive what he says.
@picassostrash
That's an adaptation - a behaviour that is selected for that is adaptive or increases the chances of survival for that organism (and it's genes) - fear is a great communication device - the organism listens, blood pumps, eyes open - so that it is ready for action and to take in information about it's environment - like where to scramble to. I think transfixedtornado maybe saying: "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck - then it's a duck."
change the way you see the world and the world will change for you - 1hr in a nutshell. Ive been to landmark forum and the advance course.
@picassostrash
Now we're talking about automatic behaviour, unconscious reactions, Langer's mindlessness etc. But I think this misses the point entirely - transfixedtornado had said "sounds like a confusion induction..." I was making light (light jab) of your focus on 'sounds-like' - I think you took it too literal. The issue is whether the pattern of 'confusion induction/hypnosis/mind control' is an issue and whether Werner uses some of the characteristics of that - intentional confusion etc.
evidence of millions of people who have taken the course. Thousands of national and international projects as a result of the work. The Hunger Project, Highland Park project and on and on. The Question is, what evidence do you want that will validate your definition of it "working"?
@madgame1000 seems that is the basic idea of New Thought from the late 1800s and early 1900s. Creating r3ealities. I think the ideas in some religous literature.. like the idea of "Faith moves mountains", is similar in notion of what you think becomes your reality.
Very interesting...Alignment with Eli Goldratt's Theory of Constraints is strong ...
The achieve of greater performance (goal units) is
Effect-Cause-Effect
Categories of Legitmitate Reservation
Necessary and Sufficient
How to Overcome Resistence to Change
Give me a lever long enough I can change the world.
Show me how you measure me... You will see how I behave.
Transformation
BigBishop1 - est was not a cult, nor is Landmark Education - as for being associated with a religion - ridiculous! Scientologists would say they are a religion unto themselves! est and Landmark are not now nor were they ever associated with any religion.
Yes, and the I in this context is a place to come from and is always and only created from nothing. No evidence for this I,,,,,the evidence follows what the I promises and declares into existence.
Important ramifications here for reconciling Eastern and Western forms of massage and building newer models for bodywork sequences that deliver. The Western view is shackled by causality, and Eastern theory still boggles the Western mind which is addicted to logic. I could listen to Erhard speak for days or even weeks on end, and I imagine that Heidegger could have as well ;-) As with a hefty Russian novel, I'll have to plow through this thing at least three times.
I didn't get it. I have to admit I have a lot of problems with the talk (I can hear you guys saying "he doesn't 'get it'"). He seems to stay on those generalities (abstract nouns) and never descends to specifics - examples that help to clarify his points. He uses words/concepts like: ontological, paradigm, epistemological, Cartesian dualism, constraints - these are abstract ideas that cry out for explanation and integration with his central topic on performance.
@ritter89 C'mon man. This is what he does. He doesn't think any of what he is saying is "cutting edge" or "science". He is just talking, man. This guy has impacted lives by doing the thing he does: talking with an intention. It's the Theater of the REAL, and it helps. Just hush.
@entinmeredith He has already put a lot of people before him and made a ton of money doing it. They are not mutually exclusive...
@scablands0325 Anything that demands unconditional trust based on their own concepts is a cult, which is a religion.
@doorshape Nothing
I't be great if those running Landmark Edu. actually kept their word concerning their "promises" inside their business model. More concern is focused on squeezing money out of each center and this concern super cedes taking care of the customers (people) to whom they claim to care about.
His presentation is killed by power point. Sad. I saw him almost 23 years ago and he can do a lot better than this.
As long as vulnerable people from dysfunctional backgrounds exist, so will the likes of Werner, (a.k.a. Jack Rosenberg), L. Ron Hubbard, and other modern-day gurus.
I have to say that this was very disappointing, particularly in speaking to a school in management. It seems to me all he was saying in a round about way was that the exterior world is a projection of our interior world ie: that "there is here" in our perception. Not how to transform perception either in the internal world or external world to enhance our performance, or how to reprogram neurolinguistics to improve our performance or that in others, and overcome obstacles to improve performance
A pot pourrie of clichés stolen from multiple different sources (often occulting them).....if you have any integrity post this remark and let free discussion ensue. He steals from philosophers, Buddhism, linguistics etc...
Werner Erhard double talking trying to explain something....maybe he got
that spiritual health is putting other people first and is trying to
figure out how to make money at it...
Unfortunately his comments come off as those of a lazy thinker, with nothing to say that's "cutting edge". There's no hunger in his discussion that would come from one who is passionately consumed by his quest for noteworthy commentary.