‘Atonement’ & Morally Ambiguous Characters
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In this video, I discuss the 2007 film Atonement and examine the moral ambiguity of the main character Briony. Did she atone for her mistakes or did she remain just as egocentric as ever?
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0:00 Intro
2:08 Briony’s empathy
6:16 the bad thing
14:05 is atonement possible? - Розваги
Fun fact : in the movie, Briony had the same hairstyle throughout her life. It's like she fail to grow up from her past, mentally stunted, as her guilt eating her up.
Yeah I totally agree with you 💯
She died a virgin.
And also wearing the same necklace
So true love that ❤️❤️❤️
Or maybe it is so that the audience can immediately identify that all 3 are Brionys.
Saoirse should have won an Oscar for making us all hate a 13 year old girl😂
She was truly phenomenal
I guess I was among the few who never hated her. I just thought she really meant it when she said she thought it was him.
No, because she secretly had a crush on Robbie. Her accusing Robbie is her way perhaps unconsciously, to avenge her feeling of betrayed after seeing her sister & Robbie in the library. So her motive is questionnable
Briony wasn’t the villain, Paul was. His raping Lola caused four lives to be ruined, Lola, briony, Cecilia, and Robbie. That’s the point, a confused, jealous child is not responsible for the rape, Paul is. Had Paul not been a raping pedophile everyone’s lives would not have been ruined. It’s easy to blame the confused and angry child for being childish and acting on her emotions for ruining people’s lives but it was an adult that put her in the situation to need to give testimony to a crime.
@@nnnfffmmmThen the film failed as an adaptation. The book explores her childish myopia, her immature judgement and her black and white viewpoint. Furthermore, she is an unreliable narrator who idealises Robbie as a form of atonement.
My fav shot in the film is when Robbie gets arrested and his mother comes out wailing and attacking the police car screaming "Liars, liars!" And Briony is watching through a stained glass window of the virgin Mary. She is staring at the face of Mary, a mother who's son was falsely accused, beaten and tortured and ultimately killed for the sins of other people. Just like Robbie was stolen from his mother's safety, tortured through years of prison and war and ultimately died for the sins of everyone else. Not only that but Robbie never got to be with the woman he loved just like Jesus was never part of the church he was building. They both only had a few short moments with the loves of their lives before they both succumbed to the horrors of life. Such a beautiful poignant shot and the entire story plays out in just a few seconds of film. Masterful.
Wow that’s incredibly poetic, thanks for pointing that out!
Excellent observation/analysis
Incredible analysis!
such a great analysis! i missed that! i love that older Briony is wearing a red cross across her chest in the film. it’s looks similar to a red scarlett letter. and almost like an “X” around her chest/heart, where her cowardice has stopped her from listening to the very things that are weighing on her
It's the point, a good one. But again, Hollywood picking up ideas from the Bible... We're tired of that too.
Here's the thing: she didn't make just one mistake. She woke up every single day and watched the people around her suffer until the war came and everyone suffered a little bit more. She waited until it's too late for her to atone. That's another mistake.
It's just weird how the framing of that one pivotal scene encapsulates her. That's just not it. She chose. Every single waking moment until Robbie and Cecilia's death she chose to remain silent about it. Only then when she had gathered her lifelong quest to feel inspired did she attempt to make "amends".
Briony's character deserves to live and die with her guilt. That's her punishment for her faults as a child. But she doesn't deserve anything more horrible than that.
Marshall, on the other hand, deserves the chair.
she's too cowardly as an adult as well
THIS. she waited far too long to reveal the truth.
I did try to convey the sense that it was a "series of choices", as I described it. You're right, it was all kinds of messed up. But I guess we disagree on the extent to which someone should hang onto the burden of guilt
But I do agree that Marshall should rot in hell 👍🏽
SHE WAS A CHILD THIS IS LIFE THATS THE TRUTH and the evil one was the rapist!
We all do that everyday, basically. Not standing up. Ignoring things. Denial. Art just exaggerates it so we can relate but also be like at least we're not that awful! Then it should make you think or feel something you didn't before, if it's "good" art.
Related: this movie is one of the few adaptations that remains almost 100% faithful to the novels AND is a standout movie in its own right (I studied both the film and novel in high school!)
And the soundtrack is *chef's kiss* 👌🏽
Agreed. It was brilliantly adapted. The perspectives McEwan crafted were perfect for film and likewise the film gets you excited for the source material. This is a book adaptation gone right! :)
The soundtrack... And each frames in this film is a hd wallpaper!
I studied this book at uni and I always felt like the ending, finding out that Briony wrote the book was entirely self serving. As a child, okay I can forgive her up until she knew that it wasn’t Robbie, and then she still didn’t say anything. But writing the book and giving them their ‘happy ending’ who does that help? Who is she atoning to now? It just felt to me that she lived the rest of her life in guilt and (intentionally or not) it’s a way to try and make herself feel better or for readers to accept her at romance for the people she actually hurt.
And if she's beginning to suffer from dementia, and has written a happy ending for Robbie and Cecilia in the book, she may end up one day believing that is what actually happened - meaning she'll no longer feel guilty if she has it in writing that they ended up happy.
She lived with years of guilt and she couldn't speak to the people who she can ask forgiveness from,it sound selfish but she is writing it for herself because she wished they could had happy ending, she was trying to release her guilt it self serving but she paid her sin wish she felt for years in guilt in persion which was made by herself، no one cared If she felt guilty because people who felt guilty for were dead so it was useless, unhelpful guilt she wouldn't use this guilt for future apologizing or moving on in the relationship with her sis or her sis lover so it was guilt of nothing and I don't know why people feel it is selfish that she wrote his tbh it is so not selfish to hold a guilt upon your heart for years human who have empathy hold guilt for there bad actions it makes them fix themselves or fix a relationship that the top sensitive approach
I think aside from what happened to lola, the greatest tragedy in this story is not the relationship between the two main characters, I felt sadder about robbie's promising future all his hardwork and potential went to waste, that's what left me feeling empty after watching the movie.
That's what most killed me. He was brilliant, going to be a doctor and maybe work his way out of poverty and because of this spoiled little girl and a disgusting rich bro he was fucked over. That's probably the saddest part, he had such a bright future ahead of him.
I think if Cecilia explained that it wasn’t some forced act after Broiny saw them at the library, things could’ve been different. It always shocked me how both of them just walked through the door. Like??? Your 13 year old sister just witnessed something that can be pretty traumatic or something she could easily misunderstand and u just leave her be?? I think that showed just how little attention and recognition she got from her family. I’m not saying it’s Cecilia’s fault but better connection could’ve helped.
Exactly, they all (in a away) caused this mistake not just Brioney. Cecilia and Robbie not explaining things for her about the letter and the Library was a mistake, she's a 13 years old after all it's not easy for a 13 years old to process that, she needed them. How did they just ignored it? It seems like they didn't really care about her and her feelings. Then the cousin lying or hiding the fact that it was Marshall, and of course Marshall for doing what he did. All that lead to what happened, not just Brioney. And Brioney, for a 13 years old, she thought she was doing the right thing.
@@yuzan3607 no she totally knew what she was doing was wrong. And she never atoned for her sins. She had years before the war to come forward and make things right again. She wasn't a 13 year old by then too! No one but her is wrong and they all bear worse consequences and face a harsh short life, because of her actions! I have never hated a 13 year old more! 🙄
I also thought this. I was even confused at first as to whether she was enjoying herself the way she stormed away angry. Had she stayed and asked her younger sister to please leave them alone it would've been much more clear she was not being attacked.
@@foodie_nightos of course the rapist is the worst person, no one is denying that! I'm just so frustrated with this child, because she knowingly blamed the wrong guy, and in turn helped the actual rapist win in the end. She also ruined her sister and another guy's life, just because she didn't fully understand the situation and was jalous. She never atoned in any meaningful way, just made excuses for stuff and only deeply cared about herself in the end. She absolutely sucks. xD
I don't think Cecilia, or Robbie, owed her any explanations. Might've helped change the course of events, or it might've not. She still could've believed in what she wanted, because Briony's view of the world was her own. Just look at how she took the narrative from Lola and twisted to fit the version that best suited her. Afterwards, when she knew it wasn't Robbie, and knew for a fact him and Cecilia were in love and that he never hurt her sister, she still didn't change her story for the sake of keeping her pride.
After the movie ended, I sat in the dark for like an hour. Truly devastating. I don't know if I'll be able to sit through it again but I would love to rewatch it!
I have rewatch the movie so many times it still makes me feel sad every time
Yep, I saw this movie a few months ago and don’t know if I wanna watch it again, I cried for like 10 minutes during the end
It's my go-to emotional catharsis film. I can play the last ten minutes by itself and sob and it works every time lol.
I felt hollowed out for close to a week. I couldn’t watch it again. And I’m just kinda relieved that I’m far from the only person to feel that way
ever seen "Spoorloos"?, you may like/hate it. It's one of the few films that I can't watch again.
Kubrick said that it's one of the best films he's seen and tried to cast the lead actress in one of his films.
If you do decide to watch it don't read any reviews, just watch it. Also don't watch the travesty that is the US remake.
"I gave them their happy ending."
Gal, even at the very end she made it about her. 🤦♀️🙄
That's where I wanted to shake her. It does come off as arrogant.
i just feel like briony wouldn't have had the opportunity to make such a terrible error, had marshall not committed such a terrible crime. to me, he's the true villain. all the vitriol 13 year old briony gets to this day is irritating to say the least, how could she extend empathy to others when that was never extended to her? i feel like her view of others was a reflection of how she was treated. never as a whole human being. maybe if that wasn't the case, she would not have jumped at the first opportunity to be heard. thank you for the very beautifully edited and thought out video :)
She’s still the one who destroyed two people’s lives irreparably. Marshall is responsible for what he did, but not in destroying their relationship or their lives. Sometimes if you’re not heard, there is a good reason for it, and instead of blaming it on others, maybe you should re evaluate yourself.
@@alexman378 but she was a child who genuinely believed that what she was doing was saving them. That he was a bad person who needed to be put away for the bad things he did. Was it her fault that they never told anyone else that they were in love? Was it her fault that he gave her the wrong letter to give to Cecelia? She molded in her brain what she had seen and heard and came to the conclusion that he was bad, because why wouldn't she? She only has her perspective.
@@meghan92385 She wasn’t a child when she made the conscious decision not to exonerate him. She woke up every day with the knowledge of what she’d done and didn’t do anything about it.
@@alexman378 by the time she knew who the real rapist was it was too late. Nothing could have been done about it. Which is a tragedy in itself.
@@alexman378 ...she was a child. what is a good reason for a child to not be heard?
i feel like you're looking at the story at face value and missing the entire point of not only what i said but also what the video is trying to convey. and actually, yes paul marshall is partially responsible for ruining their lives irreparably. he violated an emotionally vulnerable child, who was out in the dark looking for her little brothers, and then let another man take the blame for years. briony made a terrible false accusation but her intentions were never truly malicious, definitely not as selfish and disgusting as paul marshall who is the catalyst for this unfortunate turn of events and the only person in this story who actually benefits from not only the war, not only the assault but from letting an innocent man go to jail for his crimes.
When I studied this movie in highschool I felt immensely sorry for Briony, and now as an adult I still feel the same way. Don't get me wrong, she's not likeable and what she did was terrible, but there are so many more factors to consider than just "she's a bad person". Like you said, it seems that these days we're so wrapped up in the idea of this person is "good" and this person is "bad" when that isn't true at all about literally anyone. Everyone is capable of great good and great evil.
For Briony, she's only 13 years old, a child, and she's grown up in a very sheltered life with little to no actual human interaction, and it's clear that she's nuerodivergent. She's learnt everything that she knows about society from books and has had no teachings on how to actually understand people or interact with them. As a fellow nuerodivergent who, at the age of 13, basically acted like I was a 9-year-old, I can absolutely empathise with Briony's plight and with her subsequent reluctance to acknowledge the truth. She genuinely thought she was doing the right thing and was helping her sister - and her family were clearly just as terrible. Cecilia could have at ANY point gone and talked to Briony and told her what had happened with Robbie and cleared up the misunderstanding. Lola could have also at ANY point admitted that it wasn't Robbie. Briony's parents could have at ANY point stood up for him. Also, Paul Marshall could have just not acted as a disgusting paedophilic scumbag. But none of these things happened and the blame fell solely on a 13 year old girl.
Also, bear in mind, that the consequences of her actions probabably wouldn't have really registered for quite a long time, which is why she didn't try to sort it out sooner. She might have understood that what she did was wrong, but thought that it would just be a few years in prison (and with such a sheltered upbringing she probably wouldn't have understood what that really meant anyway) and then he would be out and she could go apologise and everything would be fine. And she would never have known that the war would hit, or that it would go on his permanent record. As a nuerodivergent, it took me many years to truly understand some of the things I did at that age and why it was wrong, despite the fact that for most other people it would have been extremely obvious. Even now in my late 20s I have moments of realisation. Though of course I never inadvertently put someone in prison or anything lol.
My point is that the movie is not meant to be black and white. None of the characters are particularly good people - not even Cecilia and Robbie, and none of their actions are completely just or "good". Except for Paul of course, he's a piece of crap. Does Briony deserve condemnation and dislike for what she did? Of course! But does she also deserve sympathy for being a product of her upbringing and never getting the help she needed? Absolutely.
Anyway, this movie destroyed my soul and I wish I could watch it again but I just can't bring myself to do it!
I agree! I also think that her catching Marshall could have potentially been traumatic for her too which can result in her repressing the memory. After all she is a 13 year old and she also seemed genuinely shocked about the letter in the beginning. I think the film shows the ambiguity of her character very well. And I agree that likely she is neurodivergent which adds to the plint of her potentially misinterpreting specific events etc
This is the best comment I've read about this movie. Not enough people point out how at fault all the other characters are, most of which are adults. But sure, let's solely blame the 13 year old girl. Not that she doesn't deserve it to a certain extent, but realizing that all the characters are partially to blame is true wisdom and nuance.
I agree with most of this, except the Lola thing and one other complaint. I don't know if I missed something but I'm confused why the girl who was assaulted with her head pulled back so she couldn't see the assaulter's face and was also extremely young is blamed for somehow not telling someone it wasn't Robbie. Like Briony, she was also using context clues which involved that letter, and she asked Briony repeatedly who did it, if Briony saw his face, if she was sure it was Robbie.
On another point, I agree that Briony shouldn't be inherently blamed as a child, but that all stops around the wedding scene. Based on what I got out of the film, she might have even blocked the memory of it out until she was at the wedding. The priest says to speak now, and right at that moment Briony remembers Paul with perfect clarity as the rapist, but she refuses to say anything. With Lola now married to Paul, they can't bring justice to this case. I assume Lola didn't know, and when she was an adult, Paul would have already groomed her into not saying anything. If Briony spoke up, there could have been justice, but because she refused to say anything, Paul now gets away with his crime scott free. At this point, she is an adult. She should know at this point what she did that day was wrong, and that Lola deserved freedom from her rapist. Even if nothing came of it, Lola would now know and from there could make her own informed decisions.
This movie ripped my heart out when I found out how things really went. I hated that the actual monster got away Scot free and Lola ended up married to her abuser. Just totally soul crushing. Idk, it's an interesting thing and the people whose place it is to forgive will never really know that moment of truth. A very sad story. Briony the child was confused, Briony the adult was a coward, but it is a good tale nonetheless.
If you think about it, lola is also a culprit... I believe that she wasn't abused but she rather consented as the movie shows that she also had some sort of interest in Marshall but when they got caught she knew she's done something wrong and she'd be punished thus when berionne suggested that it was an assult by robbie, lola played along.
She lived her life easily knowing that an innocent man suffered because of her with no sense of guilt.
In the the scene of the wedding, when she saw Berionne she showed a look of guilt, that spilt second of the eye contact between the two tells us that she knew she did something bad along with Berionne and like Berionne, she too didn't care to amend her mistake. She didn't wanna get punished nor her "lover" to suffer... Anything and anyone else didn't matter. She wasn't abused by Marshall nor manipulated by Berionne.... She was just as bad as them
@@confused7970 I don't know I feel that Lola is a tricky one as she barely had any scenes and yet she was the catalyst to what happened.
The way I saw it yes she was flirtatious but its not that uncommon for a young girl to have a crush on someone older and flirt with them.
I would say she was abused and even raped as she was underage when everything took place so there was never any true consent.
Why she did not tell the truth? Its hard to say as to her motives as not much emphasis is put on her. For all we know she could have told her parents but was told to keep quiet at the time due to her rapist being someone from a high class and rich.
Even for marrying him later she could have been groomed or made to do so by her family.
Man I remember when I watched this thinking it would be a nice romance movie between Kira knightly and James mcavoy I was very wrong! Messed me up for days.
She doesn’t get to atone. Even after the deaths of her Sister & Robbie, there is no indication that she went on and confessed the truth to those who were present. She destroyed more than a couple’s happy chance of love & life-she stole her cousin’s truth and silenced her cousin and it seems that somehow the cousin’s SA was ongoing, she sat in the church and watched her cousin marry her abuser, she must’ve destroyed Robbie’s Mom as most likely she found herself unemployed after the incident either by choice or by force (I don’t see her continuing to work for the family) and possibly was forced to live on her own and dirt poor, it seems that Robbie’s Mom had an untimely death as well as she appears and seems that came to collect him. Atonement would’ve been her writing the letter-her telling the truth in honor of the the pain that so many involved went through. Telling the truth at 71 when her own parents are long gone, everyone most likely dead or about to die, and selling off another embellished story is nothing but a narcissist’s apology. She wanted to give herself that ending so that she could lift that guilt. But there are things in life that once we do them we cannot take back. It’s not me feeling self-righteous, but imaginary Robbie was right-you don’t have to be 18, 71, or 13 to know right from wrong.
They all (in a away) caused this disaster, not just Brioney. Cecilia and Robbie not explaining things for her about the letter and the Library was a big mistake, she's a 13 years old after all it's not easy for a 13 years old to process that, she needed them. How did they just ignore it? It seems like they didn't really care about her and her feelings. Then the cousin lying or hiding the fact that it was Marshall, and of course Marshall for doing what he did. All that lead to what happened, not just Brioney. And Brioney, for a 13 years old, she thought she was doing the right thing. She was also a victim in this tragedy. It ruined her.
@@yuzan3607 Brioney is a piece of sh*t and you can copy and paste the same comment another thousand times and she still is a piece of sh*t
@@yuzan3607 at first, yes, but she CHOSE to continue with her lie. It was a choice her adult self, consciously, made. She might've been confused at 13, but she grew up and knew right from wrong, and still did nothing.
In the end, she wrote the book seeking forgiveness from people who truly didn't matter, when she could've done the right thing and earned that forgiveness from the one's whose lives she's ruined. Except she wouldn't, because she was a narcissist who wanted to be taken seriously, and in the very end, she wrote the so called "happy ending" for entirely self serving reasons.
And yes, Lola could've said something, but it was easier for her to let Briony steal the narrative than to deal, and after her trauma, can we blame her?
I forgive 13 year old Brioney... and I would also slap adult Brioney that still had not tried to correct her mistake ON THE STREET cold 😂
Lmao I feel ya
This is exactly how I feel. I feel bad for Briony as a child, not so much as an adult. (Also Marshall can burn in hell.)
i still can't forgive briony and something that robbie says during the scene of them as adults stuck with me forever, when he says that no matter all his work and education, he was still no better than a servant, still not to be trusted. And that's the brutal truth, because robbie was the 'easy way out' in the whole mess, he was just the servant.
I also loved how in Briony’s imagination the other servant of the household was the other obvious choice apart from robbie.
Sorry, I’m siding with James MacAvoy. Yes, she was a child, but she still ruined several lives because of her arrogance and later cowardice.
She had plenty of time (while Robbie was in jail, before he went to war) to think things over and come clean, but she didn’t.
She could’ve visited her sister during wartime to apologize, but she didn’t.
She could’ve stopped Lola from marrying her abuser. But she didn’t.
SHE WHAT. SHE DIDN'T STOP LOLA FROM---
They all (in a away) caused this disaster, not just Brioney. Cecilia and Robbie not explaining things for her about the letter and the Library was a big mistake, she's a 13 years old after all it's not easy for a 13 years old to process that, she needed them. How did they just ignore it? It seems like they didn't really care about her and her feelings. Then the cousin lying or hiding the fact that it was Marshall, and of course Marshall for doing what he did. All that lead to what happened, not just Brioney. And Brioney, for a 13 years old, she thought she was doing the right thing. She was also a victim in this tragedy. It ruined her.
@@yuzan3607 Wouldn’t it be right to assume that at 13 years old, she should have known better than to open the letter? She’s good at biting back at her cousins and prompt to always command attention. I think it goes back to what someone said in the comments about her imagination and desire to control a narrative. She’s been wrong on the majority of fronts presented but for her, the story must go on.
Most of what you said is correct.
Except Lola was Not raped. You need to understand that Briony the Liar wrote this entire Story.
Briony is Not reliable.
We have clues that Lola was Not raped in the Fact she Never came back to the house and said she was Raped.
She was Flirting with Paul. She was very interested in Paul.
Briony said to Lola that she saw Robbie Raping her. This was a Lie because she clearly saw Paul and Lola having Sex. (The book makes this clear. The movie showed that Briony saw Paul's face fully lighted by moonlight.)
Briony could Not wait to Tell Lola. She knew Lola was Not raped. She knew Robbie did Not Rape Lola.
She knew that Lola would have to go with the Robbie Raped her to protect Paul.
If Paul had really Raped Lola she would Not have let Robbie Go to Jail for Paul's crime.
Rape is extremely Traumatic. It Paul had Raped her she would have wanted him to go to prison.
It is a Huge deal to send an innocent man to Prison. Lola did it because she was in Love with Paul.
@@JesusSavesSinnersRegardless of what the book says, Lola was still underage during her sexual encounter with Paul. She may have wanted to have sex with him but he still raped her and the movie implied he was grooming her. At the end of the day, Briony took advantage of a terrible situation and used it to ruin the lives of Robert and Cecilia only to way until all parties were dead to finally come clean.
Ok, not to be a war history nerd, but we absolutely have to acknowledge both the beauty and the accuracy of the Dunkirk scene, as opposed to Christopher Nolan's, they did an excellent job recreating it. Incredibly powerful stuff.
Edit: has anyone postulated that Briony was a bit neurodivergent?
Maybe...
As an autistic woman. I disagree. I hate this stereotype that autistic people have no empathy. Most of us are hyper empathetic but struggle to show it or over show it. Briony just doesn’t care. I sympathise with her though.
@@colonyofrats4193 I apologize. My belief is that she thought what she did was right, the lack of social awareness, frustration, gifted young writer, etc... This video did well to reference her pre-war elitist education, her "Britishness" was likely at fault.
Yes I definitely think reading her as autistic makes sense. I’m autistic and see a lot of similarities. I just wrote a different comment about that lol
I like the points raised in this video and can definitely empathize with Briony more now but I feel like you are missing a large portion of why she should feel guilty - yes their love story suffered, but who knows what would have happened with them anyway.
The true crime is that she basically damned her cousin to the horror of marriage and life with her attacker through her choices.
I guess I was more focused on what the book/film was trying to focus on. I don't think it's ever implied that Briony should feel guilty for Lola's marriage, it's supposed to be a shocking turn of events that bars them from convicting the real perpetrator, and a way to show how these things get swept under the rug when assailants are wealthy/powerful. After all, Lola knew the truth the whole time and never said anything
@@QualityCulture Lola was a victim of child r*pe. Earlier in the film she was covering up bruises from her abuser. She needed a friend and it seemed she thought Birony could’ve be that for her, but birony was selfishly concerned about her crush and couldn’t give two shits about how her actions affected everyone. She knew several truths and CHOSE to lie because she was jealous over Kiera and Robby. She didn’t even think about her cousin, not did she care. Her cares were petty, she did not speak truth even in her book. She wrote Robby and Cecil’s were together but in fact they’ve died and it’s not til her own death that she finally speaks truth. A coward her whole life
Briony's crime is also the destruction of Robbie's mother's life who lost her son, work and we can only guess how tough the rest of her life was. Did Briony help her in any way?
Briony also made Celia and Robbie stuck in the what-could’ve-been. If they were able to have a proper outlet for their relationship and Briony (or even Lola) spoke up about what actually happened, they probably would’ve continued their relationship organically or ended it on much better terms.
I think ultimately all of the characters were victims of the class divide and Briony definitely suffered the worst of it between her parents ignoring her and the classist rhetoric she grew up with despite her imagination and Robbie’s kindness. I’m not okay with how she handled things but at the same time, I understand why she could’ve come to those actions and conclusions based on what McEwan wrote.
7:06 "I don't think I've ever read such a poetic description of _WAP_"
I cried in the theater when I saw this. I was floored that Robbie and Cecilia never saw each other again and after all that Briony lied again.
I never hated Briony's character, she was a child at the time of the accusation, she seemed confused and scared by everything she saw out of context, also the letter. But how could the police find the accounts of a child as sufficient evidence to convict and imprison someone, especially since it was dark? He also came back with the boys so he found them, probably nowhere near where the assault happened. Also did the victim name him at all? (I have not read the book, so not sure). Yes it was wrong was she did, but I think the actual rapist, the social prejudice and the war did most of the evil in this story, and not a child's mistake. Also that Dunkirk scene is heart-breaking.
'The truth will set you free'
Since she didn't say the truth for a very long time, she wasn't free from her guilt. She even wore her hair the same way throughout the years, as if she's frozen in the past, unable to grow up and move on.
She refused to face the truth, even after it was too late. She couldn't, even as an adult, grasp the fact that sometimes acknowledging our actions and coming to terms with the results is all we can do to move on from a situation. I understand that she wanted to do what's right, but as someone who's also made many errors, sometimes there are things that can't be made right, where sorry just isn't enough and the fact that she gave them a happy ending just shows that she refused to accept that truth thus not even affording Cecilia, Robbie and Lola the decency of seeing that her actions had dire consequences. It's a beautiful and very accurate depiction of what cowards do when they can't face the fact that this time they can't say sorry.
I saw this film shortly after it came out on dvd. I was a teenager, about Briony's age in the beginning of the story, and all I could think of was how a kid could be so in her own little world that she doesn't bother taking a second look.
The film shaped me into someone who's been obsessed with broken couples who seek to find a way back to one another torn by circumstances of life, kind of like the idea of soul mates. It also made me develop a trait that forces me till this day to find out everyone's side of the story because there's three truths: person a's truth, person b's truth, and the actual truth (in this case 4 truths considering Briony). And lastly, it made me into someone who always weighs every decision with absolute caution because it could affect the lives of others.
The ending broken my heart and I've watched the movie about 5 times. I haven't watched it since being a teen and now being in my late 20s I feel like I should revisit it once more.
To me, she can never be forgiven. She had so many times to atone, apologize, take back what she did but she didn't.
I watch this when I was a teenager which was a big mistake because what teenager wants to see something with a sad ending lol Really grew to appreciate the nuances of this film. Saoirse Ronan has always been such a great actress
She really is. Also watched it as a teenager, and it hurt because I was petrified that I was something like Briony, being older I now know both my accidental and intentional misdeeds were never quite this toxic or terribly dangerous. Though oddly enough, that fear still lives in me somewhat.
I remember when he screamed “briony” I started freaking out and when it showed her open it and read I was like OMG, that scene scared me to death for some reason lol
I thought Briony did it because she believed Robbie was a bit of a pervert and a predator, so she felt the need to protect her sister Cecilia. Throughout the movie whenever Briony used to pry on the two, she had a look of horror and disgust seeing the two being "close" or intimate and also after she read that letter which Robbie told her not to open up.
All of that led her to believe Robbie was sexually coercing her sister, and given that she was young, she didn't understand female sexuality.
I thought she was because she was jealous of Robbie and Cecelia
She also secretly had a crush for Robbie, but as Bobbie liked her sister, she became subconsciously jealous of both of them. That also muddled her already immature mind to see Robbie as a monster.
You might be on to something. I know children who cry when their parents hold hands. It makes them uncomfortable, and its hard to say why.
@Ada Nb I also thought jealousy played a part.
there was a part of her that knew that it didn't happen, as she says in the book she specifically frame's it as "knowing it was Robbie" instead of "seeing Robbie"
This movie made me hate Benedict Cumberbatch 😂 I remember watching the credits and shouting at my screen "what kind of name is that ? I HATE you, dude, I'm never watching anything you're in, _you monster!_ "
Anyway I'll be seeing Multiverse of Madness next WE 😂
That movie broke me and rebuilt me in the best possible way. The cast is stellar, I would follow Saoirse anywhere because oh. my. god. Basically I discovered so many actors in this - Saoirse, McAvoy, Benedict of course, but also Juno and Romola and Daniel Mays and Nonso Anozie. I only knew Keira and Jérémie Rénier beforehand !
But the soundtrack, the cinematography, the Dunkerque scene... I loved everything in it. And yet the most important feature is the unbearable sadness of this movie. I felt quite a closeness to Briony, I have been an over-fanciful 13 year-old with delusions of literature and I cannot find into myself to hate or even blame her. She never found atonement. She damned an innocent man, broke her family, helped a r@pist get his claws on his victim, got two persons indirectly killed. She carried her guilt until the end of her days (as symbolised by her unchanged hairdo) All this at 13 😥
I like particularly how in the invented scene where she goes to see Cecilia, Robbie tells her that "13 is old enough to know the difference between good and evil." These words, Briony put them in Robbie's mouth. That's how she sees herself, that's why she sabotaged her future, emulating her big sister by taking part in the war effort. And yet it's useless. Nothing can repair the damage her treasured imagination made. She's an incredibly tragic figure.
Even worse when thinking how 30's Britain was stacked against her, and Robbie, and Cecilia, and _Lola_ . Everyone wanted ultimately to accuse Robbie, him or the other servant boy (played by Theon Greyjoy!).
Marshall was literally _lounging on the couch_ while everyone else was losing it regarding the attack. I read this as a stark parable on SA that's still unfortunately very true to this day: the more powerful the attacker, the less you can hope for justice.
Even more, I'm sure Marshall SA'd Lola even before dinner : remember the "Indian burn" remark ? The twins had already took off by that point.
Truth is, even if Briony had clearly made a difference between what she sees and what she wants to see, would the police have believed two teenage girls accusing a millionaire? I don't think so.
Anyway, when Briony sees Lola again, she's judging her through the screen and ignores her at her wedding. Another relationship irreparably damaged.
Ultimately, that movie taught me how SA is an assault to the fabric of society. A lot of lives were destroyed because Marshall is a predator.
My God I wrote so much 😅 but seriously, I barely touched the surface of how that movie made me feel. I had never seen a movie like that before and it made me think of a lot of things for _years_
An absolute masterpiece indeed.
I knowww I wish I could cover so much more about it because it really is a fantastic film, there are so many facets I could go on and on about. And yeah that was quite the introduction to Benedict Cumberbatch for me too 😅
I like that you brought up “Robbie’s words” are just what Briony thinks he would feel, and by extension how she feels about herself, even in old age. It really cements how she’s been carrying this guilt for so many decades
@@QualityCulture indeed indeed! First time I stumbled onto your channel, and I'm definitely subscribing ! Thank you for your reply 😘
I thought it was interesting that in her story, Robbie suspected Danny was the true culprit.
It was a brief part, but Danny was played by Alife Allen (Theon Greyjoy from Game of Thrones)
I’ve always felt that Briony becomes more guilty as time goes on. Childhood innocence gives way to adult paralysis gives way to elderly ego, with the consequences and guilt building with each passing day.
At 13, she’s lived a privileged, isolated life; one that discourages female agency and sexuality. The idea that her sister took an active role in anything she saw, let alone enjoyed it, would not have occurred to her. She thought of Robbie as a rapist because that was the only context she had for sexuality, having literally never been exposed to any other option. She gets no blame as she is 13 and sheltered, having been let down by the adults around her.
18 year old Briony: ok, now there’s some blame. Now, she knows something of the world. She knows about desire, passion, and love. She knows Cecilia still loves Robbie and is devoted to him. She can look back and see what she didn’t know then- that sex can be consensual, and that Robbie having sex with Cecilia doesn’t mean he’s a sex fiend who raped Lola. Yet, she doesn’t say anything. Not ever, not even when Lola marries her rapist. She becomes guilty because now she knows better, but doesn’t do anything.
Old Briony- definitely guilty. She’s been tormented by the consequences of her childhood naïveté for years, and not even the deaths of Robbie and Cecilia were enough to make her come forward. Instead, she keeps quiet, working it over in her head, wrapped up in her role rather than the right thing for decades, and when she does go public, it’s with a version that whitewashes the pain of Robbie and Cecilia having their life together cut short.
I agree. I think it was easy to forgive Briony the child, because she was so naive, and lacked proper parental or other adult guidance to know the wrongness of her actions. But as a young adult, she should have known what she had done, and had an opportunity to set the record straight, but was too cowardly to do so. Also her actions as a senior citizen, to fictionalize their stories as a form so atonement? I can see why that doesn’t fly with most people. It’s hard for me to totally hate Briony, because I think her guilt and remorse was genuine. She just didn’t know the right way to deal with it, and did so in the only way she knew how.
In fact, i do think the fact this story is set up during the 30s/40s is very important for the characters and their mentality and actions, since, let's remember the 30s/40s were still a very patriarchal society, where little girls were raised naive and clueless and where there's was still very much victim blaming
I'm only in the beginning of the video but YES - I have only seen this movie twice in my life (I am typically a repeat watcher, there's loads of movies I've seen over 50 times) even though I do love it so much. It's too devastating, and knowing how it ends makes it hard to be entertaining. I think it's the kind of movie you watch maybe once every decade and spend the remaining years trying to grapple with just how tragic it is😂
I probably won't watch again after making this video 😂
To me it's important that Briony DOES admit that she made up much of the story; to do otherwise would have been to repeat her mistake. What I mean is... I read the novel for Developments in the Novel, which definitely affected my reading. Not that that makes it "wrong," but that I was focused on certain themes over others. To me, a central theme is the problem of other minds: Briony assumes that she can know people based on what she sees, and in fact what she sees affects how she interprets them. But that's just it: there's always interpretation involved; she cannot know other people on the internal, intimate level she knows herself. When Robbie won't forgive her in her story... Maybe the real Robbie didn't blame Briony; maybe he wouldn't have wanted people to think he did. This way, she can imagine who they were without speaking for them.
This film is pure Cinema on every level. A perfect masterpiece. I love the shot of the bee, as it signifies Briony being the bee who stings Robbie and Cecilia.
I fell into the spectrum of really not getting why so many people hated Briony, because well, she was a child. She literally didn’t really think that far ahead, I think her actions only show her immaturity at the time.
But oh well, thanks for making such an insightful video. ^^
and then she grew up and continued to hide the truth until every one else was dead
@@princesadelaos I understood that she left her family, much like her sister did, because she couldn't handle the guilt of it all when she grew up. Although, the book might have the answer for that lol.
And yeah, when she was a full grown adult she continued on lying to others and to herself, but wasn't it also for not giving up? For her to keep having hope as well as giving it to the people who read the story?
Like the video says, it can go both ways, it's ambiguous whether she was a little fecker or not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But she didn’t tell the truth when she became an adult and she knew that she was mistaken. We can forgive the girl and despise the adult.
@@pamelagonzalez8947 to who? Who would she tell?
@@Anna-xh6fk She could confess giving false testimony to the police and to her parents.
I think think is the first video I've seen that acknowledges and tackles the _full_ complexity and ambiguity of Briony's character and her actions in the story. Well done!
I'll just say while I'm at the start of the video: this film & book broke teenage me. As a huge Keira Knightley stan, i watched it & fell in love with James McAvoy. Saoirse is definitely the best actress of our generation. Afterwards I felt dead inside. The stories we're told growing up always have an happy ending & this was just all over tragic for everyone.
The book made me weep (I don't cry when reading) & I started to understand the film more (I literally watched it on a whim).
I rewatched the film Christmas 2020 & as being older I could appreciate the film even more (while sobbing LOUDLY in my cushion 🥲).
But I will still rewatch the film countless times ❤
edit: excuse the uncomprehensive mess 😅
i've never seen this movie, but wow, i have never felt my blood pressure rise so much. look, i get briony is just a kid, but when you consciously make choices that literally ruin people's lives, i don't think that can be simply considered as naive and juvenile stupidity anymore.
Fair enough 🤷🏽♀️
Yeah that’s usually what happens when you watch Atonement. Honestly though you should read the book, because it makes it even harder to totally hate Briony. This video is great but it can’t really cover the whole book or even the whole film. So yeah, before making a decision, definitely read the book, it’s an incredible piece of literature.
I read the book and saw the movie and I think the best course for Britney as a 13 yr old would have been pleading confusion at the time of Robbie being accused.
Briony (aargh autocorrect)
I agree. It's so funny to me that people defending her call her "just child", when there is a difference between 5 y.o. child and 13 y.o. one. I do remember how it felt like being 13 y.o. girl and like, you do have a brain at that point and know that if you say/do something it will have consequences (like ruining lives). Briony knew what she was doing, and she did it for many different reasons(if she was aware of them or not).
I didn’t see the movie or read the book, but wouldn’t that not be a lot of pressure on a kid to be the sole witness, besides the victim? I mean what kind of investigation wouldn’t even check with the victim first? Yea she was wrong and dumb because she was a kid, but also she was a kid and adults around her should’ve been making better choices!
It's been a few years since i read the book or watched the movie but from what I remember the victim girl was being assaulted by that man for a while before the day of the accusation. She sort-of told briony about it a few hours before they catch him in the act, and from what I remember the conversation was full of miscommunication and misunderstanding by the end of it she was pretty much willing to go along with Briony on whatever she said because that was the only ally she had. The kid had been messed up for a long time because of that man's actions and i believe when they were asking her about it she was still in shock and refused to actually say a name and just agreed to the first one they said in order to get them to leave her alone (the details of that scene might be wrong though).
I haven't read the book, but THIS, is what I took from the film as well.
I believe that Marshall had been abusing Lola for a while; the inappropriate comments about her clothing, the innuendo filled conversations with her.
Also, I believe that it was he, and NOT the twins, who had bruised her wrist/s.
Briony is so wrapped up in her own world, that she was missing the actual lives of the people around her.
Her crying and upset cousin,BEFORE the 'witnessed rape. Lola was often crying or secretive. Was some of this due to Lola being abused? Lola was crying just before Briony told her Robbie was a 'sex maniac' or something like that.
Briony is so wrapped up in her self, she is missing the actual lives and feelings of those around her, e.g. Lola's abuse, the twins distress at their parents divorce (it's likely they knew something wasn't right with their parents), Cecilia's and Robbie's affection for each other, the unequal footing of the servents and the her family.
Sad situation.
The older Briony's are cowards, and I do believe, that (even if subconsciously) jealousy of Robbie and Cecila's relationship, and misunderstanding of human sexualality played a role (Robbie her crush, had disappointed her, by being interested in her sister). She took their healthy interest in each other, and warped it into something perverted, in which Cecila was a 'victim'.
i think we desperately need more stories about morally ambiguous people who achieve some sort of forgiveness. firstly, because it shows us how to forgive others. and secondly, because without proof that forgiveness is possible, it's way harder to forgive yourself.
i wonder, though, if the reason we're in this cultural moment of anti-forgiveness is (at least partially) due to the mandate to forgive a lot of us experienced as children. i know that when i was growing up, authority figures would demand i forgive people even though i knew those people didn't even know or care that they'd hurt me. i think that's a common experience for a lot of us. and maybe, in sticking up for ourselves and being rightfully stingy with our forgiveness, we've gone a little too far.
ETA (because apparently this wasn't clear 🥴)
i'm not fucking telling you to go hug your abusive stepdad or whatever. i'm suggesting that we should strive for a happy medium between "forgive everyone instantly" and "forgiveness is impossible."
Hollywood is all about forgiveness morals in movies right now while the general public is just now learning that they don't have to forgive their abusers, that if someone hurt them they're allowed to be upset.
While I really see where you're going and agree with your point, I don't really think we've reached a culture of anti-forgiveness, at least not just yet. I understand that social media (such as Twitter) may give that vibe from cancel culture, but the media and society as a whole have always emphatized that we "must forgive others as a step to forgive ourselves" a mantra that, in my opinion, has only brought more pain to victims who feel forced to forgive their abusers or - in general - the people who have wronged them. Is forgiveness really for one self? Why must I extend a part of me to that person in order to regain control of my life? Is forgiveness really necessary? Am I really the only one hurt by not forgiving? I feel like, even nowadays, we still live in a culture of forgiveness, and it doesn't really look like it's going away soon because the narrative used to "forgive" IS a main part of our society. Of course, anti-forgiveness has been showing more acceptance now that before but I wouldn't really call it a cultural moment bc it pales when compared to the impact forgiveness (or more like the teachings of it) has had on all of us.
@@Ionelyingorgeous that's a lot of words to say what i just said
you’ve said we’re in a cultural moment of anti forgiveness when we’re not so…
@@Ionelyingorgeous says who besides you?
your exactly perfectly encapsulates how conflicted i felt watching this movie back in 2009. i was a little late in the game, but jfc the moment i finished the film. i didn't want to watch it again. you said it best, tho beautifully filmed, i couldn't go thru re-watching the whole turmoil again.
I don’t think I ever truly hated 13 year old Briony. It’s adult Briony that is so frustrating. But that is also like she is still trapped with the 13 year old mentality
When I watched this movie, and then watched the ending, felt like a punch in the gut, I not that she was a naive at she seems, more when the trailers were portraying her as anything as such, they were portraying her as manipulative and self-centred, I think that she did what did out of spite, for being rejected, and then expend the next six decades trying to atone herself because she would never get it for people that lives she ruin. Also I didn't known that this movie was based on a book.
I don't remember the trailers but it's interesting that they portrayed her that way 🤔
Reluctant to Forgive: how wonderfully put. What a horrible malady to have contracted.
I really like this take on Atonement and I believe it to be the most accurate. I always sympathised more with Briony than others; I think bc my own childhood was full of lots of shame that I'm still working thorugh, which was 99% of the time set upon me by my older sister who was an abuser. I used stories and escaping into them to try and outrun her tyranny, and I think when I first watched Atonement I probably imposed some of my life experience on the characters, so I saw the older sister's lack of forgiveness over a child's mistake as an act of abuse from an unforgiving b*tch. I'm able to see it clearer now, though people should really look at their own biases when examining Briony as a character.
The thing that destroyed my try to give that character any compassion was her words in the end that this novel was her final "mercy" for those people to be happy at least in her novel, even when they met a gruesome end in reality. No, it wasn't a damn mercy. It was just a pity for her sick mind to justify herself, that, uh, well, at least in the novel they are happy. They're dead. They would never see that ending. They're dead. They've gone through hell and died in the most sad, lonely, and suffering way. Because she, with her "big imagination", decided to interfere in two adult's business. She lied about what she saw, and broke lives of those people because of it. She doesn't deserve any compassion, because she was lying to herself until the very end. Yes, maybe guilt was eating her inside out, and rightfully so. She didin't try to accept it, and admit it, all she did, is create a world inside her mind, where her mistake wasn't as crushing and devastating, as it was in reality. She didn't accept her failure. She escaped from it. This is all what this girl did. She's a coward for me, and there is no morality in forgiving her.
I have cried so many times watching the movie and the prose in the book is some of the best I've ever read in fiction. I'm so happy you made this video, I rarely see anyone talk about it.
The book says that Briony had wanted to publish the book with the actual ending way before but had been warned by her lawyers/publication that Lord Marshall and Lady Marshall (aka Lola) would take it to the courts and likely win considering the Marshalls had had many court victories by that time. So she was told that her book had a realistic chance to be published ONLY after both of the Marshalls were dead. Paul died by the end but Lola was still alive hence the book was likely going to be published only after Briony's death. In the book Briony also says that ONLY her latest draft had the happy end for Robbie and Cecilia, implying that the previous versions had the real ending .
My point being that Briony did not ever forgive herself and didn't want the book to forgive herself too considering her early versions of the book yet decided to have a happy ending only at the end when she was dying. I think she never forgives herself.
Wow, thank you so much for speaking about this film. I've been subscribed to your channel for a while now but I'm only now discovering you've covered some EXCELLENT films that I particularly adore very much and that are not as usually talked about??? I watched Atonement for the first time last year and it blew my mind, the aesthetic visuals, the soundtrack, the performances, the pacing and cinematography, the soul wrenching ending but all the nuances in which it treats every part of its narrative... thank you so much for this video. I appreciate it so much. I'm now off to watch your video on A Monster Calls which is my favorite film ever and no one ever talks about it and AAAAA you've got a video on it 😭💜🛐 thank you! so glad I found your channel and that you speak with such thought of these films
I’ve been binge watching your videos essays, and just wanted to say how fantastic your work is! Your perspective is incredibly thought-provoking and compassionate. Great work!
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it 😊
this was an amazing video!! loved it!
Very good character analysis! Keep up the good work. One idea about Briony: she's just a highly imaginative child leaving in her inner creative world all the time. I love to write, I read stories to my small daughter and she loves creating her own stories too. I can see a little bit of Briony in her (even in the lack of empathy). I'm always gently bringing her to reality. My full time job is to help her make conscious decisions in life, while continuing a world of fantasy on paper. :) Looking forward for more analysis!
I can't believe you released this video while I was working on an analysis of the book for my final paper. I can confirm that literary critics hate Briony. However, I found myself able to be more empathetic. Unlike many of the professors and reviewers who I had to read for my paper, I am studying to be a public school teacher. I have had to learn how children's minds develop, and I have worked with 13 year olds. They are just beginning to understand abstract concepts, so the existential wondering is pretty accurate for an introspective 13 year old. In addition, I was a socially awkward kid with few friends, and I used media to understand the world around me. Briony is doing the same thing. It is more obvious in the book because there are references that couldn't translate to screen, but Briony is heavily influenced by fairy tales and romance novels, and she is desperately trying to figure out what story Robbie and Cecilia are in so she can understand the situation (that's what my paper was about).
Cool coincidence haha. Thanks for sharing your experience, I love that your understanding of children leads you to have more empathy for her. I think it lends to the idea that not everything is as simple as good/evil
Thank you for the sensitivity and nuance you brought to this analysis, I feel like you've really articulated some of the more complex qualities of this book that I've been unable to pin down. Really beautiful exploration of Briony's self-hating pragmatism and regretful self-serving fancy.
love this movie but I rarely hear it spoken about outside of the iconic oner, so it was so nice to watch this dissection!
One of my favorite films of all time, saw it in theaters as a teen and bought it on dvd. I still own it and once in a while , when I feel Devastatingly romantic, I throw it on and let my heart break. This was the first performance I saw from Benedict Cumberbatch in my life, what an introduction. James and Kiera have such beautiful heartbreaking chemistry. So happy you made this video🙏🏽♥️♥️♥️
Oh my goodness when I tell you I watched this 5 years ago and all I’ve ever wanted to do was rewatch it but couldn’t remember the title or any of the actors names!!!!! This just randomly popped up next to book recommendation videos . I had been thinking about it every few months the past year trying to remember anything that would help me find it again. I saw the thumbnail of the girls face and thought that looks like a good movie and a good character. I literally watched the scene of her in the garden. Still didn’t realize it was my movie !!!! Thank you !!!!!
great analysis! thank you for this video! another show that explores guilt and forgiveness very beautifully is "Haibane Renmei". It's an anime (13 episodes) from 2002 that beautifully examines this theme at a point when you cannot find forgiveness from the ones you have hurt cause they don't exist anymore and how isolating this is. so what do you do? it starts a bit slow, exploring the magical world they are born in and then half way through it becomes darker and more interesting.
Thanks for the recommendation!
As human beings we too often make negative decisions against others impulsively. We have a bad habit of denying our true emotional state. We convince or gaslight ourselves of different intentions to justify our negative actions. It is only after the deed is done do we finally acknowledge our true feelings. I think Briony's action were done out of jealousy & spitefulness. I think she convinced herself that her actions were in the service of protecting Cecilia. True, Briony had no understanding of the "intimate encounters" she observed between Robbie & Cecilia but they were still encounters that she envied. If Briony truly believed that Robbie was Lola's attacker why would she feel the need to pressure Lola into saying Robbie's name? Briony's character didn't strike me as the "nosey sibling" type, so why did she feel the need to read the note Robbie typed for Cecilia? Yes, she was disgusted at first but she seem intrigued by it too. I think the reason Briony felt immediate guilt after the incident was because she knew what her real intentions were, which had nothing to do with protecting Cecilia
Went and watched the movie because of this video. Very glad that I did. Your video added to the experience so thank you
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Incredible video, this opened my perspective as to Briony's taken innocence after getting involved into something she does not understand. Along with her clearly being regretful at the end, as she was not the villain ever, it was Marshall.
What a fascinating character. Very cool. Thanks for the neat video!!
Amazing video!
This movie really made me fell on love with James McEvoy, I hope he does more movies, I pretty much watched all them already
great vid. this movie has always been a favorite.
Thanks for the vid!
I know this isn't exactly a film or a "book" but Attack on Titan I think truly does explore the morally Gray everyone is so fleshed out when it comes to their motives there is always that but if I were them I would do that to even if it isn't right and then sometimes some of the worst characters have some kind of redemption in their acts or qualities but in general it's a phenomenal story with some of the best foreshadowing built in from the start and its done in such a subtle way you wouldn't pick up on it but when you do it's mind bending but there is also a kind of horror in rereading or watching it because seeing all of the foreshadowing shows you that to fight fate is futile in this story
I read the title to this video and immediately hit like. This is topic I’m fascinated about but you never hear discussed. I tend to gravitate to the morally ambiguous characters because I think that’s what most of us are. Beautifully flawed humans just trying to make it through life the best way we know how.
Beautifully done.
I remember studying this film in high school and it has such a different meaning to me being able to revisit it now as an adult. My essay would certainly be very different now.
Great essay. I'm very surprised as I had never considered Briony to be morally ambiguous. Yes, I did find her character annoying but she was just a kid. She saw what her mind made her see, her kid-mind wouldn't be able to understand sexuality so of course she sees this as disgusting. Then, to put the nail in the coffin, she witnesses an actual assault. It was her way of protecting her sister and cousin from the sinister man she thought Robbie to be.
I believe it was his socioeconomic status that led to their decision. Would the lord be treated the same way Robbie had if her cousin told the truth? No.
Great essay! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I forgot who you said the author of the book was, but their writing was FANTASTIC. Wow, they write so beautifully. I hope to one day write like them ❤
This was a very different generation, problems were covered up, emotions were often repressed, there was a lot of distance especially between adults and children as it wasn't seen as proper or even good for a child to be given the attention and validation which is more commonly accepted now. Kids make these kinds of mistakes every single day, and they only become more extreme the more a child is emotionally neglected. How could she possibly understand the consequences of her actions. The thing about Briony is that she's trying to make order in a world which is ever more chaotic, and 13 is a chaotic age. Perhaps one of the reasons why she tries to order the world is because the adults in her life are exhibiting quiet symptoms of chaos. There's no way they can be clear about the things going on between them, and they would especially never tell a child. Perhaps what she did was a symptom of her environment, which seems to be peaceful and orderly (and the adults inhabiting it would probably do anything to keep it that way) but hides confusion, secrets and lies. Okay she seems to exhibit lack of empathy, but what kid actually understands things like divorce or anything they haven't gone through? Also taking into consideration her restrained and distant upbringing, and the lack of understanding people had of mental health and communication, why on earth does anyone think she would be able to 'atone'? Sure she should have, but it would take a huge mental leap as well as an ability to healthily process her guilt (or any emotion at all) for her to have done that. This is a tragedy of circumstance.
This was phenomenal!! You’re so incredibly well-spoken and skilled at communicating complex ideas, and multiple perspectives on them, in a clear, nonjudgmental, and genuinely inspiring way. It just makes you to want to contribute to the conversation!
Thanks so much for the kind words! ❤️ that is everything I was hoping to do with this video
I have to say that this is one of my favorite movies of all time. I have watched it four times already and I don't get tired of it ❤️ 2:27 The last time I saw this film I noticed the keys in the music and I think it is also a foreshadowing of the *spoiler* fact that this is all written by her from her perspective on how she saw the events.
Each time I rewatch this movie I cry earlier on. It's the perfect movie to make me sob like a baby.
Man. I watched Atonement when it came out and liked it well enough but this is the second time I run across quotes from the book with Briony being super-analytical about the human condition and I think maybe it's a book I'd like to read.
I would love your take on Man of La Mancha, I always loved the movie. Not as a musical but as an expedition Into the concept of hope and redemption. Creation of the self and reinvention at any stage in your life. And yes the most obvious question of "what even is Reality, what is Truth?" What is fiction to one is terror to be touched be another. I like to watch it outside of the notion that the book even exists because it resonated so much better on its own and without comparison to its origin. It recreates and reinvents itself with similarities but apparent differences to be its own and has long been a movie of comfort in trying times.
Recommendation : If you liked the exploration of the power of writing/the author in this movie.... try a short German story called 'Agnes' - by Peter Stamm.
I love this movie, specially because of how painful it is, it's cathartic to watch
I love your outtake of this movie! I would like you do one on “What’s Eating Gilbert Grape”
I truly appreciate your film essay. And I had to rewatch the film to know whether my initial response was still my gut feeling. It is. I feel you are not correct in your assessment of Briony that she honestly believed that Robbie was a perv and was scared of him And the scene that tells me this is the one with Lola before the dinner. Any child who believes that an adult is really a bad person would not gossip in such a care-free way with another young person. She would be wary of what she said and to whom. Briony was having too good of a time having a girl's talk it sounded like a girl scorned or at least passed over. And her actions after this were of a jealous child. And that could be forgiven except for the fact that as others have mentioned she spent every day of her life waking up and choosing to continue to lie about what happened and not correct the past. I was crushed by this movie the first time I watched it. And years later I do not feel wrong in the belief that she was one of the worst characters in a book or movie I have watched. There is no Atonement for her. I don't believe she ever really tried.
2:05 "who even gets to decide" Reminds me of what yuri said to nanno, who are you to judge
I thought Briony was jealous and didn't understand the severity of the lies she was telling. Is that because I didn't read the movie well or that they didn't convey what was written? It's still a good movie but it feels like her confusion and motives could've been better portrayed.
fact: her lie caused the death of a a beautiful couple in love. the long take really made an impact
I'm glad that other people remember this beautiful and tragic movie.
Really good video essay on this beautiful film. The ending is so… not sad. The film left me bereft.
Surprised to see “Battle Royale” at the end. 😹
I have watched it more than twice and it's one of the most beautiful story in a movie.
This was a beautiful film👍 I especially enjoyed the color. Yes, difficult to watch stories like this when the dominoes fall…it’s frustrating being the audience!
Forgiveness can be given from person to person whether someone asks to be forgiven or not - but atonement requires compensation or repayment somehow.
“Morally ambiguous” is too murky for Briony, she’s morally flawed.
That said, I loved this video, Yes it is ok that she forgives herself, and it is indeed a waste of time and life if she doesn’t.
Our self righteous society is far too quick to condemn and too slow to forgive.
You're right. This is a film you'll watch once and never want to watch again and I unfortunately saw it when I was eight (yeah yeah, don't come for my parents) and it's unforgettable too and just so very sad
I have never gotten over this movie! I couldn't bare the thought of watching it again. But maybe I will!
I was just about to suggest the movie 🍿🎥 Lord of the Flies and then you said it at the end 😂. Wonderful video I love the green dress 💚.
Thank you so much for diving deep into my favorite movie.
I agree with the other commenter re Marshall. Dude was an entitle sleaze (played brilliantly by a young Benedict Cumberbatch), got away with rape and ended up marrying her likely so she could keep his secret forever.
I read this book for AP English in 2006 and we discussed the letter the day the superintendent decided to come and observe some classes. Suffice to say, it was an interesting day!
Omg, I just realised Marshall was played by Benedict Cumberbatch. That explains why I always feel uncomfortable whenever I see him on screen whatever the role. I guess my brain was subconsciously connecting him to this character.
One of my all-time favorite movies about moral ambiguity is an early 2000's German movie called "Die Leben Der Anderen". It has an incredible story about a Stasi spy who has a major moral dilemma. The ending of this film is one of the best I've ever seen. It's a truly brilliant film.
Omg I love Atonement and thank you for this analysis. I feel the pain every time I rewatch this beautiful movie. Keira, James and Saoirse were brilliant in their roles.
No love for Romola Garai?
The concept that only in fiction can we really explore the idea that other people are as "real" as us, is just... flooring
I just always felt like after both reading the book and watching the movie that Briony just needed to mind a child’s place honestly. Like I could get her seeing the situation at the fountain being an issue, if not understanding the context, but when Robbie asked her to deliver the letter Briony in her childish mind went and opened it and read it, again mistaking things out of context because she doesn’t understand. Again with the study as well. With lack of understanding Briony made a judgement call on Robbie. Her saying she saw Robbie commit the act on her cousin was a direct lie and she knew it. Sure she’s just 13 but she is old enough to understand consequences and also understand that she couldn’t confirm that it was Robbie she assumed and stood firm in it. There were many other solutions to understanding the context around what she saw but she wasn’t mature enough to think of those things, which is why I feel she should have just minded her business after seeing them if she didn’t understand it.
You are right.. I watched atonement once, great work of art. But I can never get myself to watch it again because of how painful it was to me.
Battle royale film is interesting but I recommend you to read the book, you get much more detail about the background of the characters and why they ended up where they did. It also plays beautifully against your expectations and has huge twists and turns.