We still have a fragment of the bloom and a lump of slag at Moorforge. I was showing them to a school group from Carlisle on Wednesday. The children were fascinated by them and how they were produced.
I got 1st view! Excellent site, Dave is a cracking bloke and very knowledgeable. Considering I went there specifically for the smelt I didn't see much of the process. But when Dave invited me to fire up his forge and work on a few projects, I just couldn't refuse! (I won't go into detail about the many mistakes I made!) Best laugh I've had in ages Looking forward to visiting again and help the site grow!
A tiny question. Would it had been not more effective to preheat the incoming air by the heat of the tower in some kind of heat exchanger ? By this way I believe plus 2-300 K must had been possible. Sure our ancestors thought about it.... But anyway.....thanks for this demonstration.
@@privantomas it's difficult as a basic heat exchange philosophy is in place with ancient Roman bath houses, but in terms of what we think of as heat exchangers, there really isn't much going on until the 18th century. Most the air was pumped in by wood and leather bellows, which were not even double acting to the knowledge we have, just pairs, but evidence for much else than this and some basic lower clay elements of the furnace furniture is just never found!
@@BlueaxeReproductions Thank you so much for your detailed answer. However, if you see that at those times the scientific people were such specialists and a technological breakthrough like liquid steel or iron ore smelting was kept secret by supervisors since those days it was much more easy to do so. Examples were greec fire, salpeter bed technology, agriculture, alloys. Sure, if they wanted to keep it secret, you will not find today a trace of preheated air....but those ingenious people who made such swords, do you really believe they didn't realized that heat (and in the new times pure oxygen) as well as size and heat isolation and controlled not too harsh air flow were mandatory for a suffisticated process. Just look at the oleum manufacturing. I believe many things were lost, and that the history was rewritten too since millenia. Now they are trying to lock down old books from public access. We have to share knowledge in order to prevent that only those on top "earn" wealthy with it. But I fear that the time might be too late soon if we don't wake up right now.
0:50 Perfectly intelligible English. Sincerely A kiwi PS I worked with an old Scotsman for a while. You could understand him. Just. But when he got angry the accent became all but unintelligible. After a few years I could decipher it, but watching people who didn't know him was funny.
Hiya; thanks for watching; great question! The slag largely runs out itself, and the bloom is quite tough and stuck together in contrast, so its very unlikely you'd be able to pull it out. At a later stage it is also probably too big to pull through that front vent! Thanks for asking!
@@BlueaxeReproductions ahh okay I think I understand, the bloom doesnt get as soft as the slag, sot it will not actually run out like the slag does, rather it stays formed enough to stay in a clump. Is this correct?
@@DERICKBLAIR4 Exactly! The slag is mostly like Syrup; so thick and sticky, but runny, whereas the Bloom itself is more like soft flap jack; so squidgy, but much more solid and stuck together!
@@comedicsketches For this experiment that I recorded the smith never bothered; it was just an experiment for the local group to experience and understand the broad process.
@@BlueaxeReproductions No, they did bother, they just failed and stopped. Story of practically all these iron bloom videos; I've watched many and they always mess up and abandon that last part.
@@comedicsketchesI was literally there, and spoke to Dave. There was no intention or concerted effort to consolidate as there was never intention to then forge into something, it was purely whacked a few times to loosely compact it, so they could cut it to show iron, which they did. I obviously made a rod for my own back by describing what that part is for because most people just want to know what was done there. Really love to see your video on it though if you have done it all even better!
You know they make poker rods longer than knuckle-burning short, right ?! Question number 2: Shirt sleeves, a coffee mug, and a PLASTIC bucket to feed a furnace burning at 1200-1500c ?!! What happened to long cuffed gloves, protective leathers, and a long handled shovel to feed the "Gates of Hell" ?!!
We still have a fragment of the bloom and a lump of slag at Moorforge. I was showing them to a school group from Carlisle on Wednesday. The children were fascinated by them and how they were produced.
Excellent video! Thank you for sharing the procedure!!
So cool.. Crazy effort, for what I take as expected.. The I beam in my basement would have taken 500 years to make..mad respect
Aye; even with all the compromises taken here it is still such a small amount for such a lot of effort!
Mid 1800s invention i believe
Very cool!
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I got 1st view!
Excellent site, Dave is a cracking bloke and very knowledgeable.
Considering I went there specifically for the smelt I didn't see much of the process. But when Dave invited me to fire up his forge and work on a few projects, I just couldn't refuse! (I won't go into detail about the many mistakes I made!)
Best laugh I've had in ages
Looking forward to visiting again and help the site grow!
Very nice bloom, just like a flower!
A tiny question. Would it had been not more effective to preheat the incoming air by the heat of the tower in some kind of heat exchanger ? By this way I believe plus 2-300 K must had been possible. Sure our ancestors thought about it.... But anyway.....thanks for this demonstration.
@@privantomas it's difficult as a basic heat exchange philosophy is in place with ancient Roman bath houses, but in terms of what we think of as heat exchangers, there really isn't much going on until the 18th century.
Most the air was pumped in by wood and leather bellows, which were not even double acting to the knowledge we have, just pairs, but evidence for much else than this and some basic lower clay elements of the furnace furniture is just never found!
@@BlueaxeReproductions Thank you so much for your detailed answer. However, if you see that at those times the scientific people were such specialists and a technological breakthrough like liquid steel or iron ore smelting was kept secret by supervisors since those days it was much more easy to do so. Examples were greec fire, salpeter bed technology, agriculture, alloys. Sure, if they wanted to keep it secret, you will not find today a trace of preheated air....but those ingenious people who made such swords, do you really believe they didn't realized that heat (and in the new times pure oxygen) as well as size and heat isolation and controlled not too harsh air flow were mandatory for a suffisticated process. Just look at the oleum manufacturing. I believe many things were lost, and that the history was rewritten too since millenia. Now they are trying to lock down old books from public access. We have to share knowledge in order to prevent that only those on top "earn" wealthy with it. But I fear that the time might be too late soon if we don't wake up right now.
Fold and hammer a few times and I'm sure it will be a nice chunk of perfectly useful material. Very well done!
Thanks 👍
@@BlueaxeReproductions thanks to you too. Definitely post up a vid of whatever you do with it please
Very cool
absolutely love this
Thank you
0:50
Perfectly intelligible English.
Sincerely
A kiwi
PS I worked with an old Scotsman for a while. You could understand him. Just.
But when he got angry the accent became all but unintelligible. After a few years I could decipher it, but watching people who didn't know him was funny.
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Isn't it "Moop Forge"?
1 question isnt it risky to pull the slag out like this, that you might pull out the good molten metal?
Hiya; thanks for watching; great question! The slag largely runs out itself, and the bloom is quite tough and stuck together in contrast, so its very unlikely you'd be able to pull it out. At a later stage it is also probably too big to pull through that front vent! Thanks for asking!
@@BlueaxeReproductions ahh okay I think I understand, the bloom doesnt get as soft as the slag, sot it will not actually run out like the slag does, rather it stays formed enough to stay in a clump. Is this correct?
@@DERICKBLAIR4 Exactly! The slag is mostly like Syrup; so thick and sticky, but runny, whereas the Bloom itself is more like soft flap jack; so squidgy, but much more solid and stuck together!
@@BlueaxeReproductions Awesome thank you for clearing that up, I gotta say the building at the beginning looks dope as hell.
I was told for that reason the bloom is nicknamed sponge iron prior to being folded and hammered. Crazy informative.
Looks like they're still figuring out how to consolidate the metal.
@@comedicsketches For this experiment that I recorded the smith never bothered; it was just an experiment for the local group to experience and understand the broad process.
@@BlueaxeReproductions No, they did bother, they just failed and stopped. Story of practically all these iron bloom videos; I've watched many and they always mess up and abandon that last part.
@@comedicsketchesI was literally there, and spoke to Dave. There was no intention or concerted effort to consolidate as there was never intention to then forge into something, it was purely whacked a few times to loosely compact it, so they could cut it to show iron, which they did. I obviously made a rod for my own back by describing what that part is for because most people just want to know what was done there.
Really love to see your video on it though if you have done it all even better!
@@BlueaxeReproductions They clearly tried, quickly saw they were in way over their heads, and called it quits. That's what it is.
@@comedicsketches Yes, you figured it out. Good job. You can clearly see the effort they put in to hammering it, this day they were defeated.
You know they make poker rods longer than knuckle-burning short, right ?! Question number 2: Shirt sleeves, a coffee mug, and a PLASTIC bucket to feed a furnace burning at 1200-1500c ?!!
What happened to long cuffed gloves, protective leathers, and a long handled shovel to feed the "Gates of Hell" ?!!
It'll be right eh!
@@BlueaxeReproductions : I suppose it saves on shaving costs. No arm hair, no eyebrows ...... .