Is there more to Greek Music than Zorba?
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2024
- There's so much creativity in the chaos of Athens. Why is that? And is there more to Greek music than Zorba the Greek?
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Are you in love with Greece yet?
I am in love with Greece 🥰
The answer you are seeking is simply; THE PEOPLE! It’s partly the climate, partly the culture, and partly the mentality to enjoy life!
Shhh no spoilers for Episode 6 😂
I’m a Greek that lives abroad and you made me miss home! Amazing video!
I’m glad this documentary brings good memories of home 🙏 hope you get to visit again soon!
Super underrated channel, i hope the gods of algorithm bless you
🙏 that means a lot, thank you! I’m glad you’re enjoying the documentaries
Thinking that there is no other music than Zorba in Greece, is like thinking that there is no other food than Souvlaki (gyro) and tzatziki.
Bouzouki is not even a Greek instrument, but something relevant with Minor Asians just as the fast food gyro is. Souvlaki is Greek food and its meat on a stick, so the "()" as gyro with souvlaki are irrelevant as well. It is also basically Minor Asians who call gyro as "souvlaki" - and that started in Athens.
Zorba is totally irrelevant with Northern Hellenic music, which is based on everything from clarinet, lute, gaida, accordion, specific timpanis etc.
@@aetherion7 Ι think this video is about music created and played in Greece by Greek musicians. Origin of instruments is a different and quite complicated matter. The same applies to food in the Balcan/Asia Minor vicinity.
@@aetherion7For me, traditional Greek music is Ipirotiko haha. The wailing crying clarinet and the def. The stuff shown here is something foreign to Epirus. Greek music has more variety than most give credit for
Man are you for real? You are such a talent. Thank you for putting your heart into showing our heart! ♡
Wow thank you! It is my pleasure showing the beauty of Greece 🙏
I dont often comment on UA-cam ! But your research around Athens through those videos is amazing ! Thank you for showing the true and romantic side of Athens and Greece!
That really means a lot!! 🙌 I appreciate you watching this documentary series!
The Greek music is so rich and it has several genres, starting from the rich traditional music, on to rebetika and, since you mentioned Smyrna, we have "smyrneika" which is worth listening to and notice the influence on rebetika, then on to "laika" which is the music that combines bouzouki with other instruments as well and develops the genre. There is also the European influence in the mid 20th century where we have the "evropaika" with big orchestras and some important singers, and all this before we get to Theodorakis and Hatzidakis and all the other major composers who made internationally famous the Greek music. Of course, the journey continues with "entechno" and so much more. I really enjoyed the video, great job showing different aspects of the city.
Man, from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for visiting our country. I hope you had a great time here and met good people along the way.
I really did have a wonderful time. It’s always a pleasure visiting Greece 🙏
Your documentaries keep making me re-appreciate my country and culture ❤
Thank you WoW.. I learn soo much about modern Greece.. real very interesting ...
Wonderful episode! Loved learning about the history of the song Misirlou , the Rebetika musicians, and the bouzouki!!
To experience Greek music you have to also go to a Epirus Panigiri and see how in some ways they still influence today's music because in them panigiris the music of the people made by the people in the past is played
Very nice videos!! About Greek music, the "classic" traditional Greek music is just the folklore traditional Greek music which is the evolution of Byzantine music. Sounds a bit "oriental" because the Byzantine music is also technically the base of Ottoman, Arab and Balkan music or at least in the case of Arabic music perhaps influenced heavy by Byzantine music and not exactly based on.
Tourists have almost no idea about folklore traditional Greek music.
Rebetika and bouzoukia style in general Greek music is more "modern" traditional Greek music, exist about last two centuries.
Including myself, I really don’t know much about classic Greek folk music. I may need to do a follow up video about it.
Rebetiko is the sound that most of the world would recognize as “Greek music”
@@UrbanistExploringCities Rebetiko is probably the newest of the traditional sounds of Greece or the most Urban one. Real Greek traditional music is found more in the countryside or the islands and it's quite a different planet, it's as rural folk as it gets
This episode was fast paced without being overwhelming (well, all of them have been thus far). Fun episode!
Oooh that’s so good to hear. Because initially we were tempted to edit this docuseries at a breakneck pace like my short videos but then we decided to embrace the slow moments, but just enough to make you feel like you are going on a fun journey
Hey Ariel, you haven't even scratched the surface of greek music, but you are going to be awarded the Athenian citizenship by the Mayor for sure! 😂
Wow, the first channel that presented the real and authentic Greek music and spent some time to show its history!!!! Very nice video, well done!!!!
Athens is a lively city, because the Greeks have vitality in them. A city with a history of at least 2,500 years, with a unique people that stands out in all situations of life, with its good and its bad.
Try neolithic period.
@@amalialovesicecream No, we like the paleolithic period. We give you the Neolithic..
@@skittlezz5727 Talk about old; I didn't want to go there, but the Athenians fought the Atlateans at some point in the past.
You nailed it man.
The best soul searching video depiction of modern Athens and the soul of the Athenians that make it what it is.
I do not understand how you got so deep.
Beautiful preparation exceptional presentation.
Excellent. Ty.
(A word of warning though.... There is a virous on the lose that creeps under your skin and hooks you to the place forever. I am a victim of that lool)
That means so much! I got so deep by pure happenstance, meeting one person led to meeting more. And I came across topics that aren’t so well known by foreigners (like Rebetiko, the events of the Civil War, the architectural history) that really illuminated me about Greek culture 🙏
Ooooh, I really enjoyed this. Thank you for bringing memories of Greece back to me ♥ At 22:00 reminds me of a couple of greek arrangements I've been so lucky to attend. The music, the people, the FOOD and that atmosphere is just so special. It warms my heart. 😊💙
My pleasure! And I love how Greeks party, it’s so awesome
Actually, rebetico is not the traditional music of Greece, rather it's an urban style music that developt in the beginnings of 20th century in Athens, Piraeus, Thessaloniki and Smyrna, just like you talk about in the video. The traditional Greek music, is more connected with nature and themes about the mountains, the trees, the sea, the fields and every day life, work, struggles and love affairs of the people of the countryside. The instruments are also different. For example, the king of the instruments in most of mainland Greece is the clarinet while in the islands, is the violin. In Crete and some of the Dodecanese islands, it's the lyra and in Thrace and some areas of Macedonia it's the cavali, the lyra and bagpipes, witch are also very popular in many islands. In the Ionian islands, witch the Italian influence was bigger, they play mandolins, mandolas and guitars. In northern Greece brass instruments are very popular, due to the influence the region has, from neighbor Balkan countries and then there's the traditional music of the Anatolian and Pontic refuges, witch has a lot in common with Turkish music and uses a lot of similar instrument like the oud, the kemence, the canun etc. In fact the rebetico style was heavily influenced by this kind of Anatolian, (Asian minor mostly), tradition, since many of the poor, working class people in the ports and the outskirts of cities, where Anatolian refuges. The buzuki descends from the tamburi and the bozuk, (a Turkish instrument), witch was two instruments played mostly solo, from the outlaws in the mountains and in the islands, all throughout the Balkans and Turkey, with different variations in each region. The instrument, suited perfectly with the bohemian life style of the outlaws in the new, growing, urban centers and ports of the country, but in most of Greece, the lute is actually the most popular string traditional instrument.
Παρουσιάζεις την ελληνική μουσική ως ένα αποτέλεσμα επιρροών από γειτονικές της χώρες και μόνο. Αλλού τουρκική επιρροή, αλλού βαλκανικές επιρροές κι αλλού ιταλική. Δεν είναι έτσι!
@@user-yg7oj7sf1n καμιά σχέση μ' αυτό που λέω. Εγώ λέω ότι η Ελληνική παραδοσιακή μουσική είναι διαφορετική απ' το ρεμπέτικο ως προς τα όργανα, το ύφος και την θεματολογία Κι απλά λέω πως το ύφος και τα όργανα σε κάποιες περιοχές, Μακεδονία, Μικρά Ασία και Πόντος, έχουν επηρεαστεί από γειτονικές παραδόσεις. Όχι πως όλη η παραδοσιακή μουσική είναι επηρεασμένη από αυτές. Και αυτό κατά την γνώμη μου ισχύει και δεν είναι κακό. Γι' αυτό η παραδοσιακή μας μουσική είναι τόσο πλούσια σε σχέση με άλλες.
@@Feon83 Το ρεμπέτικο και η λαϊκή μουσική συγκαταλέγονται στην ελληνική παραδοσιακή μουσική που έχει ως βάση τη βυζαντινή εκκλησιαστική και τη βυζαντινής λαϊκή μουσική.Τα όργανα όμως είναι αραβικής και περσικής προέλευσης. Στα Ιόνια νησιά, η μουσική έχει όντως επιρροές από την ιταλική μουσική αλλά στην υπόλοιπη Ελλάδα ο αυλός π.χ. έχει αρχαιοελληνική προέλευση και πολλά στοιχεία μπορεί να προέρχονται από αρχαία Ελλάδα.
Brilliant 👏 Ariel and team so enjoyed 🌟 🎶
Another outstanding episode!
Yay!! So glad you enjoyed!
You've come long ways since i watched your first tiktok about Thessaloniki. Keep up your great work buddy.
Thanks man!
Moving to Athens next month, I spent the last summer all over Greece, Turkey and Israel. Yours videos are awesome. It helps me a lot to understand the very ground of the country
👍🏻😃 Have really been enjoying this series. Love the music; I remember the gal dancing, so much fun. 😊
My dear man. I stumbled on your channel, and I have to say, Bravo! I'm so happy you covered Rebetiko!
Hello from over cast rainy Staten Island 😍😍😍🥰
i was homesick and just searched athens on youtube..i have been binging your content since...
This type of Bouzouki-based music is not the traditional music of the Greeks. It is a part of the tradition, that came a bit later, in the start of the 20th century, after the Greeks of Smyrni in Asia Minor were persecuted by the Turks and fled in Athens and Peireus. It was born in this underground cast of people that lived out of the law mostly. As you mentioned this group of Greeks brought this bouzouki/rebetiko music with them and later it became popular and evolved in different forms that it exists today. However, the Greek folklore music is not this one, but it is the one played with instruments such as the traditional balkan clarinet, with traditional drums or with various kinds of string and bow intruments (lyra) or evens some types of bagpipe instuments. It is danced usually in circles with traditional costumes and there are various kinds of this traditional music styles, different for every part of Greece, Crete, mountains of Eperus, Macedonia, Thace, Thessaly, Aegean islands, Pontos Greeks, etc. This is the true, original traditional Greek music. Rebetico and bouzouki came later.
Yea I realized that should have shown very traditional Greek folk music so people can get a sense of how it compares to Rebetiko. Maybe next time, if I do another series in Thessaloniki! ;)
let's not forget that many Asia Minor refugees went to Thessaloniki as well, actually have the city is inhabited by Minor Asian Greeks. Also north Greece in general has many asia minor greeks
Well that's what you get when you dig deep instead of strolling around the tourist places and post superfluous video reviews about any city like so many others! It takes time and energy but when you truly get it it feels so rewarding! Congrats
Let's vacation abroad this year, 2024. Happy weekend everyone 🤠🙏
Loving all the episodes of this series! Wonderful job again Ariel!
Thank you, Emelie!! So happy you are! I’m stunned by how many people are demanding Thessaloniki in other comments 😂
@@UrbanistExploringCities I've seen that also 😂
Well I think it's time that you get the hint and come here. Thessaloniki is waiting for you!
This is an engaging and entertaining episode. Loved it! Great job.
Really enjoyed this episode, I really need to make visiting Athens a priority.
It always upsets me to see beautiful Greece covered in graffiti in different parts of the city. This is a newer phenomenon and some people may embrace it, but I prefer to remember Greece before the spray can revolution really exploded. It just seems dirty to me for a country with such natural beauty.
Another great episode!Well done Ariel!!
Just to know : in Greece nobody ever listens to Zorba and nobody says "opa!"
Everybady say opa in Greece but nobady really listen Zorba
I say opa ten times a day at least. About Zorba you're right though
It is unbelievable how the Greeks can survive after the economic crisis and geopolitical tensions!! They remind me of the Israelis, but without the money!!😂💙💥
This was a fun watch!
Love the Greek music❤
These are the children of DIONYSIS!
26:54 Wildly inaccurate. It is highly unlikely that human sacrifice in ancient Greece was ever a common practice. It was extremely rare (and even that is debated by some historians) and was certainly considered an abhorrent and barbaric act by the classical period (5th and 4th century BC).
Yep, there are plenty of ancient writers talking shit about the barbarians and their practice of human sacrifice.
Hello from NJ
Zorba is closer to Italian music because this style of music comes from corfu wich was ruled by Italia for a long time. But traditional greek music is way more than that. There is Cretan, island music, rumeliotica and many more. All of them would sound more oriental to westerners because we were the original creators of oriental music and you can understand that by listening to early byzantine chants
You and Markos seem compatible! ;)
You really found a great place that captured the vibe and the essence of greek music culture and celebration with rempetiko .
This was a great series ! Would be awesome to see more of neighbouring nations!
Greece is not only the Athens, simply Athens is the capital of Greece nothing more
There are cities built by the human spirit and there are cities built to tame the human spirit. Athens is certainly the first
My friend (i think your name is Ariel 😅) I am wathcing your series about Athens and they so interesting! I've heard things about the city that i hadn't thought of! Keep up the nice work! I would like to ask a question. What is the name of the rooftop (with Acropolis view) you went? Thank you 😁😁
Yes, my name is Ariel. I’m so happy you’re enjoying the series! The rooftop is 360 Cocktail Bar in Monastiraki
@@UrbanistExploringCities Thanks a lot mate!! You show a different aspect of the city that, some of us, leaving mainly in the suburbs, don't get to see that much! Enjoy your stay, if you are still here 😍
Some of the best cuisines? 😂 Every year we fight with the Italians for first place worl wide......l never watch episodes on my Country for the obvious reasons...just cant catch the true meaning of Greece, Greeks you have done a great job and kept me watching all the episodes ;
I hope you do this for all your future adventures 👍🏻
Ubsolutely interesting ,good local music, and some well known music creators as Xatzidakis,Theodorakis( you can google about them),Tsitsanis ,and others,from older times...Of course modern sounds too.
Come to the cultural capital of Greece, Thessaloniki!
Explore Exarcheia!
, Plateia Exarcheion, so forth :--)
Kinda hated the title but ended up lovingthe video i realized i gotta sit down and talk w a person older than me maybe a bouzouktzi, whos a music lover and a convo with him will be a lil history class
Hellenic music is much, MUUUUUUCH more than Zorba!
This is not even the 0.01% of our music culture!
It's a pity that you didn't find Avli open. Would have loved to see your reaction.
I have really enjoyed your Athen series next level compared to your previous work. Great stuff! Now I really want to go back to Athena, I haven’t been there for over 20 years (back then it was rather scruffy and uninteresting).
Now a suggestion/request: you should head to Belgrade. It’s even more of a mess of a city than Athens and has been bombed to smithereens several times. Just like Athens it has received a lot of refugees, in the 1990s from Bosnia and Croatia and now from Ukraine and Russia. There is a crumbling old town, 1970s brutalist New Belgrade and now a new Belgrade by the river skyscraper development funded by Gulf money. Go, it’s a kind of rough merger of Athens and Berlin minus the hipster tourist crowds (for now).
Why, because Hellenes are vibrante
True
thought te question was gonna be "where should i buy a house to move over permanently?" 😄
Lol that was definitely another question I had in mind 😂
@@UrbanistExploringCities prolong your stay and also try the islands. go off-season
ikaria
ithaki
chios
crete
rhodos
or smaller cities and villages in the mountains (gianenna - larissa - patra - sparta - levadia).
each place has different cousine, dances, mentality etc
athens is nice for vacation (or weekends) but not for work (its hectic).
@@Nikosk00 hey Nikos! I have videos already of Ikaria, Crete, and Sparta! Check them out :) but yea can’t wait to return for Chios, Rhodes, and other places
The most famous Folk Greek song is called " Ιτιά ιτιά "
💙🤍🎶🇬🇷🎶🤍💙
If you don't travel to the countryside mainland Greece or islands, you haven't listen almost nothing about Greek music, but only the 10% of it. The summertime "panigyri" (pronounced as "paniyiri") traditional festivals, are the only way to meet the more ancient LOCAL, pure music. Go to Ikaria island. Go to Amorgos island. Go to Crete, to Karpathos island, to Epirus, to Roumeli, to the Peloponnese (mostly to the western and south parts). Go to central Macedonia to meet the Pontics in Kilkis town or in Thessaloniki and their traditional fests and then to Serres city surrounding area to listen to the local "zourna" more oriental sound style music. That's the reason i repeat again, you haven't heard almost nothing about that big treasure which called greek music. You just heard only the urban music. We are looking like as a whole continent of music traditions, although we are only a small country.
wow 8:09 now that is a quote
How would you say Athens compares to other historic Mediterranean cities such as Lisbon or Malaga? Is it similar in atmosphere? I just love historical cities with a modern twist, I am looking to retire in one.
Same vibes with Lisbon, but Lisbon is objectively beautiful city
This music is a descendant of our medieval, Byzantine (east Roman)
It is very difficult for a non greek person to realise the amount of art and culture still produced in Greece in 20th century and today , not only in music but in poetry (2 Nobel prises) , painting and elsewhere. Unfortunately the greek language is no longer a universal language like in antiquity, otherwise many people would be amazed and benefited...
I love your videos Ariel but if I can give you some positive feed back. You need to slow your speech down just a tad bit. It feels a bit rushed on delivery. It's great to have excitement but there's points where it's a bit hard to follow. There's parts where your flow is beautiful when you engage the audience to tell background and tell history but at other parts your introduction is very rushed to bring excitement and it's crushing the words together so fast what you're saying gets missed.
Yea 😅 I’ve gotten used to making short videos that had to be delivered fast. But that isn’t needed in these longer documentaries, so I appreciate the feedback 🙏
That's a very nice video Ariel! Here are just two different samples of Greek music among many throughout Greece :
ua-cam.com/video/FG08nWmI9YA/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/jMGbcYc9AVk/v-deo.html
i really do enjoy your documentaries but this one i found to be lackluster. Merely skirting the connecting dots and albeit i have understanding for your careful approach to the early 1920s events, it does not do the subject just.
~28:50 ...funny saying that in Athens of all Greek cities. Athens is our version of New York.
They should call it Ripoff not Greece.
If you go to touristy places, you are gonna get ripped off. If you have a greek friend to show you which places to avoid , you'll have the time of your life.
zorba is almost more italian than greek music
Freeing your subconscious musically is not necessarily artistic!!
Keep to architecture, please. This video was extremely boring, not to mention the guy who tried to explain to you parts of ancient culture was plainly ridiculous.
Christian mythology???? Christ is the true vine, there is no other. Greece is an Orthodox Christian country.
stay away from bouzouki at all costs!
why?
You might hate it and it's ok.
Other people might like it.
Not proper to call Athens ugly in your video. It's obvious you haven't explored enough. Thanks for the video anyway.
None of the music in this episode is 'traditional' music in the strictest sense.
Thats exactly the point 😉
Tbf how long does a type of music need to exist before it becomes part of the traditional fabric of the country? Rebetico is certainly more of a newcomer compared to the traditional folk music of mainland Greece, however it does use a lot of elements from the folk music and dance of the Greeks of Asia Minor (Turkey) and some of the islands, utilising zembekiko, hasapiko and tsiftetelia rythmes and dances. Rebetico also fits perfectly with the urban theme of the video. 👍😊
18:19 The Greeks of Asia Minor did not come to mainland Greece because Smyrni burned down. I wonder whether ignorance or malignant purpose made the creator say that. They came because of the population exchange agreement between Greece and Turkey, that was the last nail in the coffin of Greek presence in Asia Minor. It follows a very long series of genocidal actions against the Christian populations of the Ottoman Empire (Armenians suffered genocide as well), of which the burning of Smyrni was just one of many events. The most common estimates for Greeks killed in Asia Minor from 1914 to 1923 range from 300,000 to 900,000. At 1923, with the population exchange agreement, 1.2 million Greeks left their ancestral lands for ever to come to mainland Greece. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey
Hey Urbanist, do you know that this is a Documentary of Greek trad-pop music the last 100 years?
Also, OF course this was a tourist taverna... but its real! Its True!
those songs, I know all of them, was raised with them.
Rebetico? yes, there are 2-3 songs that define me as a human....
I hope next generations dont die in Tik Tok and Rap/Trap music...