Toxic Japanese Work Culture
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so toxic
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English jozu!
Did you get the job though?
so japanese
そうですね、どんな動画を拝見頂いたのでしょう。
もしも、あの日本の勤務文化の悩みに関する動画のであれば、*Teeth Sucking*...そうですね、あの時から関節感に関して学び始めましたので、確かに、あの時本音から話していましたが、少しずつ自分の世界観を変えてきてるので、むしろ、日本の文化の理解を深めるために大切な話題になってきたと思います。
さらに気づいて来てるのは、確かに、言葉だけではなく、他の暗黙知は存在するのも学んでいます。
との答えを出したら、喜ぶ人も、怒られる人も存在するけど、素直な返事は一番です。
Dogen's English is definitely getting better
I guess living in Japan really helps improve your English!
He might even get 英語上手 soon
@@Astral_Alchemistmight be ready for E5.
You think so? I wonder what everyone else in the comments thinks as well??
I feel it's getting worse. I had to read the Japanese subtitles to know what he was talking about.
Reminds me of an incident that happened recently in April 2024:
The Aichi prefectural government issued an official apology for mishandling personal data of 121 resident households, which was *blown away by the wind* during transfer from a public corporation office to the government capital building. The data, stored on physical paper, was being transported in a cardboard box on a handcart on a windy day. Despite efforts to retrieve the documents, many were lost and not all were recovered. The documents included residents' names and rent records for April. The government plans to switch to digital records to prevent similar incidents in the future.
And by digital records you obviously mean floppy disks.
its a start at least. so well done wind.
@@yyyy-uv3po Magnetic tape. No, not the pro level archival stuff, just a roll of tape, that will get blown away by the wind too, for 100% data loss.
And when will they switch?
@@Cinkodacs metal tape that they had alphabet magnets to
“Let me evade that question in two parts. First….”
"Second, we really need to hear what Tanaka-san has to say."
Meanwhile Kato-san : *"Tanaka-san, what do you think about this?"*
It's never ending loop xD
Do we ever know what Tanaka-san thinks?
well, in a way he did indeed perfectly show the content of his social media account
Be the change you want to see in the workplace, eh? Hmmm… What do you think about that, Tanaka-san?
Sorry, Tanaka san is a JLPT N4 character, he can't understand beyond that.
When you become the king of evasion, you have the right to be elected as a politician.
Kato-san probably liked it
「えーーと」
*Pull out gun*
えーと、そうですね…田中さんから聞いてみよかな
Perfect.
POV:
How to socially counter attack.
Kato-san, in their assured wisdom, asked the interviewer to refer to the boss playing with their phone. We're still waiting for their report on the topic.
Personal opinions are like personal aromas. In some parts of the world, it's considered natural that everyone has one and nobody cares. Other places, you're expected to wear an artificial one to be more appealing to others.
In Japan, you'd best get used to erasing all evidence that it ever existed, then remaining as neutral as possible at all times, because nobody wants to catch a whiff of it, ever, at all.
The content is so toxic that field center has to walk in
I found that after being promoted to manager in a Japanese company you have to be on your cell phone all day or you’ll die from boredom.
The punchline was pretty good. Good reason to soften the blow if you're going to be publicly critical.
"Japan has too many unspoken rules!"
"What? Is tipping in America mandatory? Well, it's not mandatory, but you'd definitely do it... It's just common sense, right?"
"You shouldn't comment on someone's body type or skin color even if you're close? Of course, that's obvious!"
"Oh? What do you do if you make eye contact with a stranger? You just smile, it's normal, right?"
"You shouldn't put your hands in your pockets in front of a cop! How do you not know that?"
@@grapesurgeon Exactly.. In Japan, even Japanese people from one prefecture away are perplexed by the very intentional, cultivated ambiguity of the unspoken rules in places like Kyoto.
@@grapesurgeon Ahh, so is this the "air" Dogen mentions about reading?
@@grapesurgeon I highly doubt the OP has actually worked in Japan if he thinks that the U.S. is an anyway close to the amount of unspoken rules in Japan. If anything, Americans are amongst one of the most straight forward conversationalists when it comes to getting straight to the point…not quite as much as the Dutch and Germans, but leagues more so than the Japanese. Various sociological studies back this up.
@@grapesurgeon First of all, don’t take it so seriously, it’s just a joke. 😂
But actually, the reason you find American or Western rules quite simple is because you grew up within that culture. Our unconscious actions are heavily influenced by the culture we are immersed in.
At least for me, as a Japanese, the rules of communication in America were quite difficult until I got used to.
@@Cryptic0013 I understand what you're saying but don't forget that a lot of things are exaggerated on the internet. Now Kyoto has 10 million foreign visitors each year and no one really pays attention to the rules like "get-out-here-bubu-zuke&tea" anymore.
微妙にありますね～😂😂
でも、飲み会とか、合コンとか、グループで会話をしている事の方が多いかな～
会話を変える事がそうですが・・ 「逃げる」事もありますね～😅
道元さんいつ見ても動画の内容が神がかってるわ👍
The last 2 videos have been actual comedic genius
God damn this is a good sketch
While definitely funny, I think what I appreciated most about this skit was that it pretty effectively highlights the pros and cons of both approaches to workplace accountability and communication. While you can see the negatives of oversharing unnecessary and unhelpful information in the Tik Tok-er's ironic downfall, you can also see the benefit to the company's hiring process as they were able to identify potentially troubling behavior before it could become an issue. Being truthful can definitely be positive, but it's very much the case that not everything actually needs to be said and quite often less is more. On the flip side, the main character was able to weaponize the lack of giving a straight answer, which the interviewer probably wanted, and I'm sure created a frustrating spiral of everyone awkwardly playing a verbal shuffle around the elephant in the room. Sometimes making actual progress on a topic can be helpful after all! Having experienced the frustrations of both first-hand, I'm not entirely sure which is "better," but this skit definitely caused me to self reflect on some of the biases and opinions I've developed over my time working in both environments.
Thanks for the laugh and the thought-provoking commentary! Having just come out of a full day of meetings in a Japanese work environment it was definitely very refreshing.
I don't see how discussing toxic workplace culture that everyone hates is wrong. How is anything ever going to change if everyone continues ignoring the problem? And why should someone be punished for expressing their opinion in their private life? That's incredibly invasive on the company's part.
You are on point and funny at the same time. Amazing.
Hey Dogen, I showed one of your latest videos to my sensei and she said your Japanese is much better than before! I don’t know if maybe you’ve stopped caring about this, but I know I personally will still get a kick from a Japanese person praising my Japanese even 50 years from now lol
nice. thanks dogen.
うまい🤣
Another banger!
Brilliant!
それもそうだし When Japanese completely understand nuances, some foreigners just don't get it and are seen as pushy/numb person. That frustrate us too. Japanese should change when visiting other countries but if you are in Japan, you need to learn how to communicate without being abrasive. Those who are complaining are usually really bad at speaking Japanese.
Great question, lets see what the comment section thinks about it.
そうですね😂
That was perfection.
Your English is so good!
そうですね。。。
Uh actualy ask Mike.
Mike the as in Mike in the radio fequency siclence zone?
Yeah.
(35 hours later)
Mke: Actualy ask. Banana-chan office dog. Yeah.
So true
we all must know, what did Kato-san, really think about it :)
I like how he switched to perfect pronunciation in the last phrase.
The problem is that the japanese workplace is truly toxic. Not answering a question is one thing, but management practices are often... on the grey zone to put it mildly
then came what Katou-san thinks or in otherwords what the interviewers thinks
When I first started learning Japanese, I found the many personal pronouns annoying. "Why are there so many?! Why can't there just be one?! This is too complicated!" After a while, I got used to it and I actually prefer it now. It's very interesting watching a TV show and knowing a lot about a character just because of what they call themselves. When watching Japanese dubs, I like to guess which personal pronouns a character will use. "I'll bet Littlefoot and Petrie will call themselves 僕 because they're both boys, Spike won't call himself anything because he doesn't talk, Ducky will call herself あたし because she's a girl and Cera with call herself あたし because she's so extra😂" (I've been told that among other things, a female character will call themself あたし if they have an abrasive or headstrong personality. Interestingly, women in lesbian relationships often call themselves あたし in these dubs.)
Though the more shows you watch, the deeper the rabbit hole gets. In "Ratchet and Clank," Ratchet calls himself おいら. Upon hearing this, I thought, "But that one's not in the textbooks. What does that one mean?!" Apparently, it's used by male characters who grew up in the middle of nowhere or on the farm. What's really confusing is "SpongeBob SquarePants." Patrick calls himself おいら, but SpongeBob calls himself 僕, even though they both live in the same area.
On "Chicken Run," the characters call themselves あたい. Apparently, _this_ one is used by _female_ characters who grew up in the middle of nowhere or on a farm.
In "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic," Rainbowdash calls herself 僕 because she's a tomboy. The princesses call themselves わらわ I guess because they're magical deities.
日本語上手ですね
@@LinkoofHyrule ああ、それほどでも。。。
As Japanese, it’s interesting to see that the personal pronoun can be explained like this. I have not recognized the difference consciously because I’m a native speaker, but I agree with your explanation. For me, if someone uses "oira," i have an image that he likes jokes, does not care small things, does not pretend to be elegant/classy/handsome, prefer playing with his friends than dating with women. Anyway your observation is amazing and I enjoyed reading it.
The other thing I enjoy is how writing can give you more information without actually writing more, simply by changing some words to hiragana amd katakana it can give you extra information e.g sometimes a writer will change a word to katakana to suggest that the character doesnt quite understand the meaning or context of the word. Or sometimes they can use it to show a character turning insane by changing some parts of the word into katakana and so on.
You literally ticked off three of my major fandoms with Ratchet and Clank, MLP, and then CHICKEN RUN 😂😂😂
ワロタwww
that's what everyone who's worked in japan told me lol. people trying to avoid responsibility for everything.
Toxic is the standard 105 days off a year counted as 110 days since the government (since 2019) steals your own paid leave from you and then double counts.
Hilarious!
日本人でも腹が立ちますよ～
Not wrong about the toxic work culture. It makes it difficult to want to get out of bed in a morning.
Lol. I laughed. Thanks. Really.
Pitch perfect, Dōgen-san!
Sounds like that character learned a lesson
my how the turntables
ファックス機会だと？！
😅
I don’t know if he is explaining , evading or both.
Ah. how the turn tables
日本で働いてて苦しいんですけどやっぱり外国の方が働きやすいのですか？それともあんまり変わんない、？
どこにでも、地獄は他人だ
質の違う苦しさがある。
語学力があれば、最初は日本より天国に感じる。国にもよるけど、何年たっても「外人扱い」に嫌気がさしてくる。日本人の中ではいい加減な人間だったが、外に出ると他の人のいい加減が気になる。日本人気質が周りに利用されてると感じる日も多い
企業、業界、会社によりますし「海外」って言っても国によって全然違います。でもやはり北欧の会社と日本の会社を比べたら何倍も働きやすいと思いますよ。だけど長く働くより効率よく働くの大事にされてるから自分一人の力で何も達成出来ない人ややる気のない人だったら日本のほうは楽かもしれませんね。。。
貴重な意見をありがとうございます。
僕は昔から語学に興味があり、いつかは世界中を旅して回るのが夢です。
色々あって鬱になり、今は就職活動中なのですが、正直先が見えません。
だけど、いつかは明るい未来が来る事を信じて頑張ります。
@@popo5396 お辛いですよね。私も父が鬱病で休職と退職、転職を繰り返してきたのを見て育ちまちしたから、よくわかります。本人の意思の問題などではなく、社会の構造に合わなかったり、体力が人よりも少なかったり、本当に原因はさまざまで複合的ですよね。世の中は複雑になりすぎました。その中で生きてるだけで偉いですよ。
30歳以下ならワーキングホリデーもおすすめです。初期費用としてバイトで50万（理想を言えば100万）貯めて、興味のある国に行ってみるのはどうでしょうか。体力のあるうちに語学を勉強し、いろいろなものを見ることもすばらしいと思います。
I wonder what others thought about this video
😂
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英語が上手ですね
yep, pretty good reason of why I hate working in Japan. Well tbh I hate working, BUT I hate more having someone doing absolutely useless thing and acts like they are actually doing something, and for some reason I meet more people like this in Japan... irony since I came to Japan cause hearing its work hard culture... well I did misunderstood work hard as work smart.
you know the best part? every time they ask me "dou to omoimasuka?" and when I gave the answer... they immediately rejected it and never think of the answer once... yeah there is a problem here, a hole here, they reacted like yeah just leave it there...
実は日本人も困っています
そう
TikTok
So you guy
I'm not even learning Japanese anymore. I switched to German 3 years ago.
"Japanese people need to be more direct about addressing issues in the workplace, instead of avoiding confrontation and being too careful about what other people in the office think! Which is why I am making a video about it pandering for a foreign audience without mentioning anything in more than vague details, instead of talking to my coworkers and actually trying to fix things."
Stupid post. 1) Why would a UA-camr with over half a million subscribers air dirty laundry with specific details about his employer? 2) This is a comedy skit. How do you know Dogen isn't a straight shooter in real life?
That's a great critique there...What do you think, Tanaka-san?
I think I need to ask my supervisor Katō-san for his opinion. A moment please.
that's not why he's making the video. he makes the video because he makes videos. duh.
Brother it's a exaggerated skit about a social phenomena.
まあ、みんな、責任が持てないことに適当なことを言って責任を取りたくないからね。っていうか外国では、責任者でもない奴が無責任なことを言って、カスタマーが酷い目に遭ったりすることが頻繁にあるんじゃないの？笑
Why do employers ask about TikTok?
Everyone gangsta until... ect. ect.
I've only work for construction jobs in my 11 years stay here in japan, from no japanese to fairly conversational level and able to handle my own workload alone in a site when needed, i rarely experience this kind of behavior... I do think this kind of toxic work culture is more common in office type jobs...
what type of construction work did you do?
@@Michael-iq1nq i've done landscaping on parks, ducts installation, some asphalt laying on roads... currently air condition installation... i've also tried a few months of bartending/waiter on cabarets
I imagine placing air-conditioning units during the summer must pay extremely well
@@alanmorgan4174 depends i think, im just a regular who gets paid by day, then again, the rise of material prices is insane and of course we can't just charge our customer sudden big bills as well...
and its hell that people decide to ask for installation services during summer, why not spring lol...
Is it not as blatant that you're trying to dodge until you know what exactly they saw if you do this in Japan? I gather from the first part of the video that it's more socially acceptable in general in Japan, but is it so common that it masks ulterior motive, or does everyone know what you're doing but won't call you out on it because they are also the indirect type?
we need to do 2 things:
1. finally get into the heads of the japanese working class that you work to live and not live to work.
2. convince all japanese bosses and/or the government that all people will simply leave the country if this doesn't change.
i already read that japans population is declining, especially young people. i hear more and more youtubers speaking about why they're leaving japan now and instead try to share the japanese culture with the rest of the world.
and if it doesn't chagne then japan will be where germany is now. a giant retirement wave when all the old people are getting pension. and this money needs to come from somewhere. and if all the young people are gone, and only old people are left in the country, the country will DIE!
that's not even an exaggeration.
we in germany are the best negative example you can have. and our working culture is a bliss compared to the one in japan.
even if the young people don't leave the country, the "easier" side effect will be that nobody wants to do less-paid jobs anymore. so basically everyone wants to work in IT or more modern workplaces, and if i need to take a gues,s most of them are powered by western companies.
but the problem is, the most crucial jobs ironically always pay the least. at least that's how it is in germany. teachers. medical staff. builders. people we can simply not live without are now going into universities and getting pointless diplomas, abandoning their jobs, and the few that are left will then receive more and more work, because the work doesn't decrease, just the workers do. it's a cycle. more pressure = more people declining = more work = more pressure = country dead.
honestly... i wish someone would draw a better picture of japan for me.. as a tourist destination japan is pure bliss.
but my current impression for the circumstances of the average working class is: leave the country or you'll die with the age of 15 because of too much stress and burnout. (that's of course exagerated.)
i think the politicians not wanting to pay their own citizens livable wage and pay slave wage outsourcing to immigrants is a real killer to the country as well.
you would think population decline = less work force = leverage against governments and employers for better working conditions and treatment.
but that doesn't happen. what happens is population decline = more work = further population decline = politicians selling out by outsourcing to immigrants with slave wage.
it's kind of infuriating.
Because Germany is such a shining example of things going well in the modern day. You just had a police man get stabbed by the brightest examples of German immigration policy while the rest of his fellow officers stood around doing nothing. He's dead now. Despite the massive amounts of immigration, the native German birthrate is still dismal. I don't think the west has any right to tell Japan how to do anything.
@@imranahmad-uh9fi i mean the government is not responsible for paying wages, they're not employers. their actual employees get paid very well. which is the policitians and their advisors.
yeah you are right, outsourcing is a problem but... on the other hand... is that really happening in japan? please correct me i'm not that knowledgable but isn't japan quite a nationalistic country? we germans of course do that but even we, with our many many immigrants, don't do that.
you can't possibly recruit enough immigrants to fuel the whole country, and the government will have an even bigger problem wenn more than 50% of their population is from a foreign nation with completely different values and cultures.
@@smoli no it's not a good example it's a BAD one 😆 a very BAD one i'm using it as a worst case scenario what could happen if you do that
the only good thing in germany are our social conditions. and even those are declining. our pension is going down every day, but at least we have certain restrictions on how much overtime you can legally enforce.
i think when it comes to social benefits we're like #1 in the world, but we're of course doing the best to destroy this also. and it doesn't neccessarily mean we're good at it, just that the rest of the world is even worse 😆 in america e.g. you don't even have a health insurance.
@@Kokujou5just commenting to confirm that the American healthcare system is an absolute joke 😂
We have good doctors and facilities, but it will cost you an arm and a leg for treatment (which of course they don't tell you up front because it's "too difficult" to estimate costs).
As expected, you can’t just say you are doing satirical parodies on Japanese lifestyle, when you apply for a job in a Japanese company
My work life in Japan has been WAY better than in Canada
So much of this "japanese work culture" is just plain corporate capitalism and corporate bureaucracy and corporate philosophy at its finest!
First?
And second!
@@SyrEmilon third
@@ATakahashi12 fourth
nihongo de?
Japan's working system gives "stupid" people chance to live a decent life by only "hard working". Many people are entitled and always believe themselves to be better than others, believing in lotto luck, becoming a millionaire at the age of 19 by selling nudes on social media. But the harsh reality is that, 99% of people are just ordinary people living ordinary lives. Once you accept the truth that you are nothing special, the Japanese working system makes more sense, it provides stability over other things that sell you empty promises.
And not to mention that, for some reason people just can't get over with showa Japan, it's 2024 and people still brag about the fax machines and Karoshi, when most Japanese people today working 45 hrs a week just like in most western countries.
Vagueness of Tanaka san at work is not something harder to deal with than toxic office bully in the US.
Some extra hrs per week won't be worst for your health than the anxiety you'll have before your contract renewal.
Working is shit especially when it's not something you are passionate about. At the end of the day, how you feel about your work and life depending on your life condition, mental health and mood. Some can be happy working 50 hrs per week, some people become depressed with 28 hrs per week.
Japan bad? I don't know.
Work bad? Life sucks? Sure...
I remember dreaming how i went to putin and he asked me about my state and my mindset and it cracks me up everytime😂
Actually, I think I know the reason behind the saying 'work harder, not smarter,' which might not be what you guys have in mind. The fact that an employee works very hard signifies that he is willing to dedicate himself to his colleagues. However, a smart and productive employee might simply appear as just smart and productive in the eyes of other colleagues. This is a result of collectivism, much like many other aspects of Japanese culture.
What I disliked most was the obligatory monthly stool and urine samples. Oh, and the manager biting my nipple and touching my butt were not fun either.
😮 is this literally what happened?
@@Tama2024plusYes.
@@nanomachine wouldn't that be considered sexual harassment in the workplace? Didn't your manager get reported for such a misconduct?