Please don't put the sponsors in the middle of your videos ever again. Its better if its at the beginning, that way, people can freely listen to it in the background without missing any intresting information.
In the case Kenny Veach, I tend to believe what his alleged girlfriend said is true. My best friend's father committed suicide when we were about 15. My friend was the happiest and funniest person I knew and even after such a tragic event he still always seemed so full of life and hopeful for the future. Always smiling and always staying active and invested in his hobbies. Then one day he drove out to the same spot his father died and did the same. You sometimes never fully understand someone's sufferings.
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Kenny and his dad is defintely a New discovery to story along with the depresión as it seems no one who has covered his story has never mentioned these facts before
I used to work in inpatient psychiatry, and Taleka’s story is a good example that mental health or neurological illnesses can, and do, occur in people who were previously high functioning and “normal”….in other words, it can happen to anyone. Many times, I see commenters on missing persons videos saying “But they had no past history of mental illness, and so it can’t be that,” but unfortunately, a true neuropsych crisis can definitely happen in adulthood, with few or no warning signs previously.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24Taleka’s problems began in her late-20s. Typically, schizophrenia manifests itself by age 25, but many illnesses have early-onset & late-onset variations. It’s also possible that her problems began earlier and were more subtle/she was able to hide them from the people in her life, such as her parents. The fact that she compared her life to that of the person in A Beautiful Mind, and that in one of her tweets, she mentioned a drug for schizophrenia not being strong enough, I think Taleka did suffer from schizophrenia and knew this. It’s a sad statement about our society that a doctor felt she couldn’t seek the full psychiatric help she needed for fear of jeopardizing her career. I’d bet she prescribed that medication herself, but psychiatry wasn’t her specialty, so she wasn’t prescribing the med she needed or wasn’t administering the proper dosage to herself. Taleka was also exhibiting symptoms common to Bipolar Disorder, which can result is full psychotic breaks. this happened to Carrie Fisher after she had to be taken off all her meds because she had an allergic reaction to one and stopped breathing. They took her off all meds, and before they solved the mystery of which med had triggered the reaction, she’d had a prolonged manic episode that prevented her from sleeping for six days, and the sleep deprivation triggered a psychotic break; the doctors feared they might not get her back. (I’ve never seen an interview where Carrie fully explained this, because I have a few medical conditions myself including depression, anxiety, and migraines, and I educated myself on my issues. I am assuming Carrie wasn’t on any new meds, that’s why the docs were unsure what triggered that reaction. But what I don’t get is why they did nothing to help her during those six sleepless days. The plan was to reintroduce one med at a time, to figure out what she could continue to take and which med had to be removed from her medicine regimen. So she had to be in the hospital being observed that entire time. They wouldn’t send her home, since the reaction resulted in her being unable to breathe. If no one else had been at her home, she’d have died.) I don’t know if you can have Bipolar and Schizophrenia or if schizophrenia has some of the same symptoms, but yes, a mental health crisis can happen very quickly, especially if you aren’t getting help for an illness or are getting improper/inadequate treatment. There was a tragic case in Canada where a young man went from fine to getting a schizophrenia diagnosis to becoming very sick very quickly. The doctor was surprised at how rapidly his mental state deteriorated, but the doc worked hard to treat him; it was difficult. I don’t think the doc grasped just how bad it really was, despite realizing how insidious this case of schizophrenia was. Eventually, the treatments seemed to be helping and the guy was starting to build a productive life. He got on a bus one afternoon to attend either college or a trade school. Unfortunately, he ended up chatting with another passenger who was a conspiracy theorist. He got off the bus before his destination and got on another to immediately return home. By the time he got there, it was the middle of the night. He was clearly in bad shape, his parents called his doctor, who said he could get him hospitalized that night. But things seemed to calm down, so the dad said he thought it could wait until the next day His siblings were visiting home as was at least one of his sisters-in-law. She (or maybe it was his sister) was pregnant. That night, he shot everyone in the house. Some survived but it was just horrific. So yep, a person can go down hill very quickly. I also wonder if she didn’t predict going missing but instead was planning to end her life, hoping or expecting not to be found. Walking into a lake isn’t typical for su!c!d@, but it’s not an impossibility. The reference to that medication not being strong enough could be interpreted as she was giving up on treatment provided the help she needed to end her suffering. Or maybe she was planning on deliberately disappearing, walking away from her life, for some reason and she did just accidentally drown in that lake.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 many if not most cluster B disorders do not show themselves until mid-twenties to thirties. For men can be even later. Some need a trigger event some do not. Point is, there is nothing set in stone when it comes to mental health. It is what it is and happens when it happens. And you have to do the best you can for your loved ones that may be experiencing it because they tend to think nothing is wrong. Pay attention to everything they do. Be present. I have a family member that has NPD but I also used to work with schizophrenics.
Because is can happen to anybody is the reason that, from my perspective, it is the last great taboo with many societies and cultures not wanting to discuss it and stigmatising and even shunning sufferers.
Don't hate me but I don't know of anyone in my Indian village very small btw with any mental disorders , but my wife (American ) says it's maybe bcuz they manifestations are maybe possibly bcuz of the massive amounts of social structures , family and such the mental disorders have different umm different outcomes /signs.
So I live in Southern California, and feel fairly confident that Nic Sonderegger may have run into a cougar. Female cougars, when in heat, make a cry that sounds remarkably like a screaming woman. And while most of the time cougars are timid and won't bother people, a hormonal female cougar in the dead of night will be much more violent. It is possible that he was killed by a cougar and potentially eaten by it.
100%%, i was going to comment this, It sounds like a mountain lion/ Cougar. his sheath to his knife being found sounds like he probably tried to protect himself but you cant protect yourself from a big cat at night, I'd imagine he will never be identified in anyway.
@@timmytacoburrito no they wouldn't, those cats eat everything, if there is any leftovers after a week they'll be miles apart and in recognizable due to other animal, cultures alone would clean it all up in 12 hours
I remember Taleka Patrick's case from Nick Crowley. It's disturbing seeing one's mental instability and decline play out online, and it ultimately ended in death.
Very sad. I'm surprised that she was able to maintain a job until the end of her life...that "My awesome day" UA-cam video was so darn disturbing. Poor lady.
@@tj-8422 I was also surprised that she could hold down a job, not to mention as a pediatric resident, with how bad her delusions seemed to be. It’s so tragic that she was so bright and driven but afflicted with such severe mental illness. 😢
Its kinda wild that she could handle such a hard job with her mental health. If she had gotten treatment in time she would've probably excelled in her field.
What Kenny's girlfriend said does make a lot of sense for the situation. His excitement about a topic that he couldn't even prove, even going as far as to convince people that it was real, his history of depression... he could have been having a manic episode and "the M cave" was kind of his way of coming to terms with his decision.
I can totally see that... But also as much as I hate to put any blame on anybody who is grieving, I can't help but wonder if she had anything to do with it whether it was suicide or not. She refers to him in the past tense and like you said her story doesn't make sense at all really. Idk just a thought that crossed my mind
@@slimyturtle4665 if she was fake, it means he was suicided. Police cover those up. There is an earth bound reptilian humanoids that live underground. He was in a dangerous environment.
@@slimyturtle4665yeah, I thought that was strange too. Why would she talk about Kenny in the past tense when he hasn’t even been found yet?? Does she know something about what happened to him?
I remember hearing about that on The Why Files…. Such a punch to the gut. I really wish he could’ve gotten help, he seemed like a really cool dude who didn’t deserve to suffer the way he did.
The story about the woman who stalked the gospel singer, crashed her car, and disappeared, is very very similar to a story that happened in streator, il in around 2010. A woman and her husband went to a Christmas party and on their way home they crashed. The husband was found dead at the scene. The woman went missing. She stayed missing for months. There was a big blizzard that year. Because of that, despite almost a month of searching in the area, there was no sign at all of the woman. Many people in town, quite literally, claimed it was aliens. The truth was, the woman was disoriented, left the car, and walked a mile away from it trying to find help before she succumbed to her the cold and her injuries. She was found in the spring after the snow melted. Fortunately, no alien activity was discovered.
Heard a similar story but the couple in that case weren’t married and they had both taken a lot of drugs at the party, causing the to get lost in the snow and be unable to adequately explain to 911 where they were or what was happening.
Gotta give you props for handling these stories as you did - especially the ones about people dealing with mental breakdowns or disordered. A lot of UA-camrs villainize or make fun of the people... or treat them as content first when a lot of these are such tragic stories.
I'd heard about Kenny before, but not his family history. That, coupled with the fact that he made a point of mentioning he was bringing a pistol along, suggest a particular tragic possibility to me.
Perhaps the m cave was a symbol. Perhaps in the past he was too scared to kill himself. But he worked up the courage finally. The m cave symbolizes his death
That last case was so messed up and shows how mean the internet can be. People start a rumor she was kidnapped which she obviously didn't ask for. Then when it was found that those rumors weren't true people started hating on her cause they felt she used the rumor to boost her UA-cam career. Jeez.
yeah.... I watched her when I was a little emo kid in 2014 before the situation happened (she was much more lucid back then, just a normal teenage girl doing normal teenage girl things) and I thought it was absolutely insane how people piled on her when I assumed she was having a mental health crisis. she never once seemed like the type of person to do crazy shit for "clout" but people just ran with it. I specifically remember a leafy video with millions of views where he said something along the lines of "so yeah. In my opinion shes on drugs or doing this for attention". Just wild and totally invasive stuff
I don't know man. The M cave always sounded like a metaphor to me. "the only cave I was ever afraid to enter" What if it was only a metaphor for ending it all?
I have been to the M cave, it has low oxygen and carbon monoxide gasses, it made me feel super dizzy but yet good at the same time, oxygen hypoxia can make you feel "high" or feel like you are "vibrating"
People have speculated this but there’s multiple people who have actually found the M cave and corroborated his experiences so it seems like a coincidence
@@IceBlueLugiayep. And the reason they felt similarly to him was that they all probably experienced hypoxia from lack of oxygen and whatnot, it can make you “vibrate” and feel very anxious and exactly how he felt.
It's crazy how people can just disappear despite massive efforts and tons of people who care to find them. The mystery of nature somehow supercedes a far more substantial amount of effort on the other aide.
Well. As an adult, one has a right, if they so choose, to disappear. And it's legal. Hurtful to others? Sure. But within their right as free people? You bet.
I agree. As others stated it's fine to go missing. It's another thing to have safe and or zero infrastructure in place for those lost on known trails, forests etc. At least in Kenny's case
@Maps rights are valid most minors are still under the care of their parents or someone older than them. Once they are older & out on their own, yes, their life path is their choice and theirs alone. Irresponsible? Maybe. Hurtful? More than likely. But ultimately, their life and what they do with it is their choice. If that means disappearing & taking on a new face, in a new place or simply exiting the world, it's their right to choose for themselves. Also, given your username? I can ascertain you don't actually care about the safety of minors 💀
I remember going to the Salton Sea about 13 years ago and remember being shocked at how dried it had gotten with sea shells and fish bones scattered everywhere, very eerie.
As someone who has MS, I get it. I've had my phone set to "do not disturb" for 2 days because I had a flare up and everything was hard. Its also a stone cold fact that people with MS are waaaaay more likely to suffer from major depressive disorder and awful anxiety. I dont like telling people anything about it. I don't wanna be a burden. I can't imagine what that feeling is like if you're a public figure. Fuck MS
Another UA-camr I watch, was diagnosed with MS in February of 22 & he has had to completely change the way he makes videos. He had to stop streaming all together with the exception of one every couple of months. So I absolutely believe her.
Yeah, I heard MS is very painful after the main actress of Dead To Me got diagnosed with MS before season 3 and during production she was held up a lot of times by crew members or having dialogues in doorways or chairs so she can hold onto something. She said she really wanted to finish the show for the fans. I can’t believe someone with so much pain can push through it! You can really see the difference in her face, too from previous 2 seasons to the last one… Makes me really respect people with MS who just want to live normal lives.
Shit I just have chronic pain and when it flares up I don't talk to anyone and can't do anything. I can't imagine dealing with a fan base while struggling with something like MS.
I can empathize with Marina. And I believe her when she says that's the reason for her behaviour. As someone with MS, I've often been accused of being drunk or on drugs by people who don't know me- was even stopped by a cop in public once because I was staggering and had slurred speech. It's no fun having to prove you're disabled when you look "fine"
Older guy living near me has pretty severe ataxia, he cant buy a beer to save his life, if theres a new cashier. Ive bought him beer many times, one time it ended in heated exchange because me vouching for him wasnt enough, so I ended up buying them myself with some carefully curated zings and dagger eyes. Decent dude, who just loves to watch sports and have couple cool ones. Also, sometimes starting a new medicine can definitely make you loopy. I remember having so much trouble after being prescribed cough syrup; I had hard time standing for longer periods, I had the energy of a dried slug and even indoors had this annoying “mist” everywhere, I couldnt see right. I foolishly went bowling with my friend, couldnt really see the pins, just the lane :)
It's just disgusting, I never heard of Marina Joyce before but I was facepalmimg while listening to her case and just how stupid some people can be and how they treated her and her boyfriend. I'm pretty sure they don't care about her and are just intrigued by creating conspiracy theories and can't mind their own business. I genuinely feel sorry for her, she has every right to keep her business to herself and have privacy for her private life. And of course Keenstar would be involved, the biggest bully of all. That guy just can't stop harassing people and try to screw their with life. From Etika to the old guy he falsely accused of pedophilia, to Maria Joyce and many more.
I think the Marina Joyce story was what really solidified how much I hated Keemstar. There are times where I believe he is in the right, but even when he is, he is always such a dick
@@LOLWHATBRO Did you even respond to the correct thread? Well, since you brought up grammar, you made several mistakes. You did not capitalize forgot. You did not capitalize not and you forgot a period on your last sentence.
The amount of theories and myths regarding Kenny will always be mysterious, I remember when people online would try to state the most craziest theories on Kenny's disappearance, like him getting into the cave and getting mauled by a cougar or just finding himself in some 5th dimension
Agreed. Given its dark and tragic nature, I don't want to call the case a "classic", but its definitely a piece of YT history I think any vet of this site has heard of.
I have a mathematician uncle who suffers from schizophrenia. Voices would tell him to kill his family members and he'd go on walks throughout town without any way of tracking him. We'd have to rely on acquaintances spotting him cause he'd go "missing" every other month. He was my favorite uncle and I haven't seem him physically since I was a kid. I'd be lying if I said I didn't worry about him ending up like Taleka.
My mother had schizophrenia when I got to the age I could understand things he told me my mother tried to kill both him and myself. I feel for anyone that suffers from schizophrenia. Not a pretty thing to ensure
as of february 2024, marina joyce is still active and her recent upload was from 2 weeks ago. it makes me so happy to see that she might actually be recovering from this drama because she didn’t even deserve to be stressed about it. she seems like such a genuinely positive person and i’d love to look up to her one day as a person, it’s so sad that even the nicest people have to deal with the worst 😔
If Joyce indeed has multiple sclerosis, her life is going to take a very bleak turn eventually. She needs the loving support from her entourage more than ever to arm herself against the fear of death, instead of tittle-tattle, drama stirring and reddit tier conspiracy theories.
The Taleka one is so sad... she was such an intelligent young woman. It's kinda wild how she was so delusional while also being so lucid. Making meals, and being an actual doctor.
It’s so incredibly sad, and scary to think that it’s possible to be very intelligent *and* also have delusions. I have OCD which doesn’t generally cause outright delusions, but for me it’s like- logically I know nothing bad will happen to me if I touch something that’s red (or at least if something bad does happen it’s a coincidence). I *know* my obsessions aren’t logical, but my brain and body engage with them anyway as if I’m in real danger. It’s wild how much your brain can go haywire.
@@hannahb2306 Yeah. I have psychotic depression and delusions, and the worst part is knowing that what you're thinking is illogical but being unable to snap yourself out of it. No one would know that I suffer from delusions if I didn't tell them, since I mask almost perfectly. I used to want myself to be "worse" so I would be taken seriously. I hope you're well.
@@rowancook4369 @Hannah B I get that from an anxiety disorder standpoint. The spiraling thoughts don't stop because someone tells you it's not going to end up this way or that way. I've been called delusional and overreactive when I get anxious, which just gets me more anxious now about something else entirely (!!), but nowadays I'm better at stopping and asking myself if I'm just having spiraling thoughts. Plus, I switched from Prozac to Zoloft, and the spiraling thoughts have lessened and I'm generally more calm about things...it's a little weird when the irrational thoughts halt, but also so relieving. My anxiety got so bad in my senior year of college that I suffered my first episode of derealization while driving to Target. Things felt really numb and dream-like, and I genuinely didn't know whether or not I was awake when I merged lanes to exit onto a parkway. All I knew "for sure" is that my 2000s playlist was on. When I finally parked and got inside, I roamed without much recognition of what I was there for until I sat down on a shelf and pulled my phone out. I messaged my friends on Discord and they talked me through what I needed to do, which was name every thing I could see in front of me. I typed it out to them and said it out loud, and it helped ground me a bit. I'm just so thankful that I reach out for help whenever I feel these things happen, and I'm in therapy now. Sorry I just had an edible and wanted to write a novel apparently, lol!
What do you expect when you publicize your life and then act completely out of character for 2 years? I’m not saying people are entitled to knowing about her private life however if you don’t want attention then you shouldn’t seek it out because the internet will run wild with it as we’ve seen.
@@IIconikkExactly. Not excusing the internets behavior, but there were obviously people concerned about her and her response about it was terrible. If you want privacy maybe don’t become a public figure??
If the last woman really has MS that's incredibly sad and kind of frustrating that people would still hang on to conspiracies about her. It's very off-putting.
+1. She said "MS is like cancer, but isn't as bad", but I'd disagree on the 2nd part - it's absolutely as bad as cancer. Apples & oranges, but it's horrifying to watch your body destroy itself with nothing you can do to cure it, and very little to ease symptoms. I wish people would ever learn when to drop it, like the conspiracy theorists who needle people endlessly.
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens my fiancé was diagnosed with MS 1 month before she died 2 years ago. I couldnt fully understand the pain she was going thur but i feel the pain afterwards. Really miss her fr
@@judgeprime3730 Because she shouldn't need to share stuff like that publicly before she is ready to. I imagine she was still trying to grasp it herself, it would have been a very difficult time for her overall.
Poor Taleka Patrick. Her story is one I've always found so very, very sad. She clearly had a lot of potential to have a wonderful life; untreated mental illness led to her terrible tragedy.
One of the things that struck me about Kenny Veach's story of the "M-Shaped Cave" is that unless one marks the location on a map or tags it through GPS coordinates for future reference, it can be very easy to lose track of its location, especially in that area of desert which straddles the Nevada/California state line. Trying to recall a particular cave by the shape of the mouth of the cave can be tricky, as rock slides and rock falls can alter the shape of these caves and their entrances on a pretty regular basis. Most of these desert caves, defiles, ravines, and gorges are made of soft sandstone. Even without much weathering from rain, the rock can still weaken and collapse pretty easily just through temperature variations throughout the day and night. Also, he was absolutely correct that those areas are simply riven with such features dotted among the hills. You can come across dozens within a few hours walk. It's not too surprising he never found the same cave again, or found it but didn't recognize it.
Finding a cave like that again is like remembering the shape of a sand dune hahaha like you said, these environments change shape over time, often quickly.
If I had to guess, I'd say Taleka intentionally went swimming during a "manic episode"; this is actually a common phenomenon with Bipolar Disorder. It's the same way Elisa Lam (very likely) died, which is another famous case of a mysterious drowning. She probably had Schizoaffective Disorder, which is essentially Schizophrenia mixed with Bipolar Disorder. The "delusions of grandeur" and erotomania are also big red flags that point towards this theory.
I’m from Kalamazoo, Michigan and never heard of the Taleka story. It’s truly heartbreaking. As some context. The Raddison Hotel is a REALLY nice hotel fairly close to a really rough area of downtown Kalamazoo. Seeing people acting more than a little crazy in that area is not uncommon. Twice over the last semester when driving to the local community college for class I’ve seen people acting extremely strange. It also isn’t strange for People with schizophrenia to “self medicate.” TBH it just seems like was going through a bad episode, self medicated, got behind the wheel of a car and just fell into the water after driving off of the road. It’s really sad tbh.
Also from kzoo and it's pretty common for news to not report on missing women of color, that's most likely why it was missed. I hate being downtown, I've never felt safe there.
Taleka’s story is so sad but so common…she showed all the early symptoms of schizophrenia. It was just a matter of time until she had her first psychotic break. The fact that she was in a medical residency and nobody could intervene is sad…
@@mjanny6330 absolutely! I think her loved ones should have stepped in to take her out of that space and just put out a statement that she was safe and with her loved ones
For Kenny, the "not bringing his video camera" part was a pretty big red flag for the whole "ending it" case. It's sad, regardless. He really had a personality.
I'm originally from South Dakota, and I can count on both hands how many times I've heard of someone going for a hike and not coming back because they likely fell into a mine shaft. There were absolutely times when people would get taken down by cougars or took a big fall, but they almost always found remains in those instances. Even if it was just a bloodied jacket. I wouldn't be surprised if Kenny is in the bottom of the mine from his video or another nearby shaft. If he was as familiar with them as his girlfriend reported, then he would know that would be an easy way to never be seen again. The tossed phone in an area he's been known to frequent reads like a marker. Watch your step when you're hiking in mining country.
I'm going to say this right now. I think Kenny was murdered and the suicide part was to cover it up. If he really was suicidal he wouldn't take his phone with him to dump. He has no point of return. The girlfriend seems suspicious to me and I think it's possible his body isn't even there but was made to look like he went there. I am a junior detective and some of the things are NOT adding up at all.
@@femboycookies was the "girlfriend" even verified? I mean it could easily just be some random claiming to be her and saying those things. Such is the way if the internet
Kenny's story is so sad. I've heard of him and the "M cave" before, however I never heard the part about what happened to his father and that Kenny found him. That makes the story make a lot more sense. Pretty much every youtuber leaves that out. The more "mysterious disappearance" cases I look into the more I realize that most youtubers leave out details that point to a logical explanation. This is either them not doing proper research or them attempting to sensationalize what happened and make it a conspiracy theory. This happens especially often with "Missing 411" cases. Thanks for doing some real research Wavyweb.
@@TheFapFactory The most recent one I looked into was the Aaron Hedges case. Aaron had a history of substance abuse and was almost certainly in withdrawals while they were hunting. The missing 411 movie barely makes note of this and they never interview the two hunters that were actually with Aaron right before he went missing. There was an entire police investigation into the disappearance and the MAIN SOURCE OF INFORMATION about the events that took place, and what happened to him, came from the testimony of those two guys. Not only are they not interviewed in the movie, their testimony is almost completely ignored. This testimony mentions that Aaron was sickly, not in a very friendly mood, could barely shoot his bow, obviously struggling with withdrawals, and probably should not have been out there in his condition. He got in an argument with his two hunting partners and then wandered out of camp and disappeared. Not to mention that his body was actually found in a "bear stash". He was in poor physical and mental condition, wandered away from camp, and either got killed by a bear, or died of exposure and was scavenged by a bear. Really no big mystery at all. I would hardly consider the case, "without any reasonable explanation". I highly recommend the channel, "The Missing Enigma". He covers many disappearances including "411" cases and does a much better job presenting all the available info than pretty much every other UA-camr. Once you get all the info on many of these cases you begin to realize how poor most of David Paulides "research" actually is.
the marina joyce situation makes me so mad. it was like a preview of the too much true crime brained tiktok detective problem now. just so, parasocial and invasive. it was obvious she was just going through something, i figured it was a mental health crisis or something and she just needed time and privacy to work through it. the fact that she was dealing with MS and coping with losing her vision, and the reality of what would happen to her body over time, while dealing with the drama gnome and crazy parasocial freaks is just heart breaking. im honestly amazed by the positive energy she manages to project through all that
My Aunt has MS, it makes you say and do stuff ... man i loved my aunt but even knowing full well that she has MS the stuff she said and did hurt so extremly that basicly everyone stopped contact with her, wich is also somewhat her husbands fault, everybody says hes just there for her money and lies about pretty much everything and wont stop harrasing my mothers parents and my mother. I could tell from just looking at the footage that something was wrong with her and somehow it seemed eerie similiar - but could not quite figure out why untill the bit where she said she has MS, the movement of hers, the speak patern ... almost the same like my Aunt .... fucking scary, and it only will get worse ... i hate MS.
@@meltingpoint97Oh shut up lol. Keem needs to stop sticking his neck into shit he’s not involved in, it has nothing to do with her “intelligence” that you think you can discern from whatever she decides to make public of herself.
"she just needed time and privacy to work through it. " -------------------------------- Nothing like posting endless videos on YT to induce privacy. 😂😂😂 And no one was twisting her arm to do social media. I think what she really needed was two parents who cared more for her.
Sonderegger was unquestionably killed by a mountain lion. Look up videos of them screaming in the night, it sounds just like a human woman screaming for their life.
@@UsrNmTkn You'd be surprised, man eating big cats can pull some insane stuff, the infamous leopard of rudraprayag was known to be able to kill a person and drag their body out of a room undetected even if somebody else was in the room with them, man eating big cats are scary af
In the case of Kenny, I’ve heard of infrasound induced panic. It’s sound waves that are too low for the human ear to hear. That could explain the vibration he felt as he got closer to the cave, and the discomfort he felt getting closer. My first guess is it could be a deterrent set up by the military or someone else to keep people out of a restricted area. In the Nevada desert it could be about anything.
Taleka :( by the sounds of it, it seemed like she tried a medicine to treat her schizophrenia- however its not uncommon for new medications to trigger psychosis in people with schizophrenia. I think its hard for people to understand the events leading up to her death because they do not properly understand schizophrenia. poor girl, my heart goes out to her. People suffering from schizophrenia are far more likely to be the victims of crimes, rather than the perpetrators.
Yeah i believe the medicine caused her to have an episode as well. Now whether its exactly as you said idk, but i know that when you take heavy medication you havent gotten before for the first time, you have to start by very small doses at first and slowly reach the recommended dose, and also dont interupt it.
Any chance Nic was got by a Mountain Lion? "woman screaming" sounds and I'm pretty sure they have lions out in that area. Maybe he went to go check it out and it took most of him away, hence the only finding a few belongings.
@@PetesTakeit's possible. I don't think the condition of his belongings was specified. I could see his boot coming off if he was dragged by an animal, not sure about the other items though.
I miss those older Explore With Us videos. I remember seeing this specific video! I've been to the Salton Sea. It's gotten a lot less abandoned over the years, since a lot of artists realized it was a great place to put installations.
@@damotheman4196 I don't think so... they started to get very rude with people actually worried about the weird changes (people get attached with a father/daughter relationship like that, it was their brand) until some months later they "set the record straight" and said they were "trying to get rid of stalkers" (edit: if I remember correctly, they said this on their official forum outside YT). They started a new channel talking about cars or something and then I stopped following them... They just sold the channel and needed a time off but their behavior after selling the channel was off-putting... the majority of people were legitimately worried because they were, at the time, messing with Area 51 stuff, it wasn't a parasocial thing.
@@redacted2275 Man, now i remember the dad talking about stalkers ... Plus the guy who died. All the comments about Emms werre horrid..thanks for the reply.. They thought they might find the killer and the police had spoken to them... Can't believe i forgot! Cheers mate... Quite a story.
I hope that Kenny managed to explore that M-Cave before likely taking himself from the Earth. The idea that he got to explore that cave and feel that sense of wonder before finally ending his own suffering makes it way less sad. Rest in Peace, Kenny.
taleka's case reminds me of how i used to be when i broke up with my ex. i was living in a delusional episode, fully content in the belief that i'd be his husband and we'd live in a large extravagant house together and be married with two kids of our own, which we'd adopt. once you've built up all of those expectations, and it all falls apart in your face, you continue with the delusion. you want to convince yourself that you didn't do all of this for nothing, and that this would *still* happen no matter what. i remember "texting" him, acting as if he was still responding to me even though he didn't. even after, i had this little journal where i pretended to be writing to him and telling him about my day. taleka was a really, *really* chilling glimpse at how i used to be. edit: it's really chilling how normal you can act while living in a delusional episode. like, i still remember going to school and doing things i was asked, and on occasion acting happy, but sometimes the façade would break and i'd have breakdowns. the situation is at the back of your mind the entire time-it's not easy to break out of. it was really, *really* upsetting to watch taleka's portion leading up to her disappearance. engaging in risky behavior is quite common for me when i'm in a downward spiral too, but luckily i'm closely monitored so that would never happen.
That is not what delusional means. Refusing to accept a breakup and struggling with it is pretty standard fare. Here is a clue, Definitions are hidden in books.
It's so sad how hard it is to help people like this, they remain convinced they're thinking clearly and that everyone around them is out the get them regardless of what is said to them.
Teleka Patrick worked at the doctor's office my wife used to go to. I met her once or twice, and she seemed nice. When she went missing, and her body subsequently found, it was all over the news in Kalamazoo, and lots of theories surrounding that Sapp guy. Such a shame what happened.
Sadly, mental illness in the black community is brushed off and even mocked by other black folks. A person can show signs of mental illness, threaten to take their life, or take their own life right in front of them and it would be blamed on everything but mental illness. 🤦🏽♀️ Look at the state of Chicago, NY and California. That behavior is not of sane people. *Please respond back respectfully
The whole Marina Joyce debacle was ridiculous. Her fans and critics jumped to insane conclusions on very little, flimsy "evidence" and demanded information from her. Marina had zero obligation to divulge personal details about herself or her life and they had no right to demand it of her. It was none of their business. She repeatedly stated that she was ok. That should have been the end of it but no, that wasn't good enough for them. The idiots kept pulling on that thread and using their own ignorance as more so-called "evidence". Some like Keemstar even criticised her for not wanting to expose personal information online by way of an explanation. If she didn't want to talk about personal stuff, that was her right. How dare they keep pestering her like that?! Honestly, it was just harassment, pure and simple. Everyone who engaged in the Marina Joyce situation is an absolutely sickening, arrogant, self-righteous individual who will hopefully suffer some sort of karmic justice in the future.
The whole story perfectly sums up what 2016 was like on the internet. People verbally abusing what looks to be unusual and mentally unstable individuals to evoke drama for easy content
She puts her entire life on a constant live stream and people deserve bad karma because she decides to dissappear suddenly?.. you're a strange cookie 🤣
wtf is wrong with you? The vast majority of the people concerned about her were worried for her wellbeing and you take that to mean they're arrogant harassers? If she didn't want people worrying about her, she should've either made it clear what her condition was or stopped doing youtube entirely. If you choose to be an influencer, you don't get to complain about people caring about your wellbeing.
@@FluffyFerretFarm No she didn't, you clearly weren't paying attention to the video. She was a UA-camr and this whole thing started long before her brief, 10 day absence. UA-camrs are people too, they aren't caged animals in a zoo. They're entitled to their privacy, just like everyone else. If saying that makes me strange then that's fine with me.
It’s staggering how many people who’ve made various videos on UA-cam have just disappeared and haven’t been found. Here’s hoping they’re found one day, at least for the sake of their families.
Back the early 2010's I was really into old videogames (NES and Snes) and I used to watch a lot of music covers of the soundtracks of those games. There was a youtuber that played really awesome improvised jazz versions from those old games on a piano, he had thousands of views per video (not viral numbers by any means, but quite decent for the time) one day, his channel disappeared completely. To this day, some of the other youtubers that used to upload the same type of music at that time are still there (basically dead channels at this point, but with some activity from time to time), but his channel is completely gone. Unfortunately my health has been declining rapidly with the years, especially my memory, I don't remember the channel's name and how his music sounded, I really regret not having saved some of his videos.
The Marina Joyce debacle has always pissed me off frankly, people have a right to privacy no matter how much of their lives they present online. Statements are allowed to be vague, and people are allowed to get mad when their privacy is invaded.
I dunno man, she really did act weird. Disappears for years then comes out with the whole MS story. It seemed like a load of bs and made up on the spot to no doubt gain sympathy etc.
I agree. To me, if I tried to tell others the truth and it kept getting twisted by others, I'm sure my mental health would probably be a disaster. The fact that Keemstar and others kept speculating vocally to the point of harassment was kinda disgusting.
@@marcbrisbane6800 I doubt it. She said so many times that she was ok, and even the cops said so and people would still pile up on her. If she wanted sympathy she would've taken advantage of her whole situation but never did
I feel so bad for the lady with the mental health problems. My uncle had crazy issues and delusions as well and he died at 50 years old last year. The thing is when these people have underlying unaddressed mental issues they tend to forget to take their medication that they are prescribed leading them into dangerous situations and irrational thinking. Neither her nor my uncle should have lived alone. Just sad. My uncle also got progressively worse as he got older and was also once married but as his mental health degraded so did his relationship with his ex wife.
Same. It sounds like she may have been schizophrenic. I had a neighbor who was schizophrenic and off her meds. It's wild what that disorder does to people. I feel for anyone who has to live with it.
It makes me so sad that her family tried to help her. That’s usually not a step you hear people take in these types of stories, which always makes it more heartbreaking.
I don’t understand how she could be that bad online and stalking a major gospel singer, yet none of her coworkers could see she was delusional and psychotic?
@@theclownsystem9429 yeah does sound like schizophrenia :( my great aunts husband had it, after she died in their apartment he believed she was still alive and just resting, not letting anyone in bc it would disturb her sleep, and tried to feed and bathe her despite being dead, and thought she was speaking to him sometimes. Eventually authorities came to Intervene and he was sent to a mental hospital. It’s horrible what the mental disorder does to people
Thanks for doing this one. They’re loved and missed everyday. The frailty of certainty about all you know only becomes apparent once it’s too late and remains constant forever.
Taleka Patrick's case really hit home for me since I went through something similar with my ex-husband. I was with him for ~14 years and in that last year I saw him change nearly completely. His life-long-held beliefs, temperament, and personality did a 180° shift to its opposite. It's a horrible thing to have to watch, try to help, and them not want help. A day doesn't go by that I don't think of him. It's been 3-4 years and I don't think I'll ever fully heal from it.
well you wont...you cant heal from something like that. YOu never will you can just adapt and change to the new self that has been formed. Imagine it like a third of your body being taken...(only its not like that would cause the same biological damage)
So sorry…illnesses that change personalities as they progress are just heartbreaking. And just from my own losses (not quite the same), it doesn’t exactly heal, but the pain decreases with time and even though didn’t think it would happen, find that one day you can talk about without huge emotion and find plenty of joy in current life.
After so many years I still find Kenny Veachs story still so fascinating. To The disappearance, to the M cave, to the feeling he got, or how the cave has still not been found. It’s just so strange
Not sure if she ever qualified as truly "missing," but Paranormalana disappearing from UA-cam abruptly always saddened/worried me. Her channel was growing fast with her extremely interesting content and great personality. It was one of my favorite channels at the time. Not only did she vanish, her channel literally vanished almost overnight, at the peak of her popularity. I believe it's more or less been confirmed that she had some sort of scary stalking incident spawned by a follower and decided to stop using social media and go back to a private life, but she's never spoken about any of it publicly and I don't think any known pictures of her post-UA-cam days exist.
The saddest thing about the first two stories to me is we may never get an answer on what happened to them. I hope for their families and other loved ones they are found so they can have answers but that's all we can do until someone finds them, hope.
Kenny's case is so suspicious. All these posts about so-called M cave which is somehow the only one he fears, i thought it could end as some hoax. But the man is gone now, so his "vibrations" and fear in that cave were real? Why did he take his life before finding this cave again if he was so obsessed with it? Because of it i am not so sure about this version. As for the second guy, there are a lot of comments stating he was killed by a cougar. Probably, but since there were no blood, no traces, only pants without wallet, this version might not be 100% true. If it is so obvious to some armchair detectives, why do officials not state this as the main probability?
Kenny’s story really saddens me… finding his father’s body must have really left a scar on him that he just couldn’t let heal. And googling “help me”… that’s just chilling
I feel that Kenny loved the desert more than anything else and just wanted to disappear into it so he could be a part of it forever. I’m guessing he hiked until he found a cave far away from even the area he filmed in the M Cave videos. In fact, his experience with the M Cave was probably just a fantastical story he concocted to give his disappearance a more mysterious send off. A sort of legacy if you will. When he got to his final destination, he crawled deep inside said cave and probably used his pistol to…well…you know. He wanted to forever rest in the place he loved most.
Doubt it. He probably really found a weird cave and disappeared. There are so many unexplained things on this earth. Most become military bases (gee, wonder why) so I could see there being a weird energetic field in some cave. It probably drove him mad obsessing over it.
By jove, you might be right! This is the most plausible theory yet. It ties up many loose ends and answers many of the mysterious questions. Damn it, maybe I've been reading too much Agatha Christie but to explain myself as to why I like this answer so much I need the order and the method of Poirot. Here we go! Firstly: by the theory that the 'M' cave was totally fabricated, we cleanly answer all these questions in one fell swoop: •Why has a cave matching his specs not been found? •How could such a unscientific "vibrational" cave exist? •If such a fantastical cave did exist on the outskirts of a top secret military base, why doesn't the US just extend their acreage a little bit? Then we come to the question of why fabricate it? I personally find your answer a tad bit too dramatic. But I'll get back to that. Now why would he kill himself? That's been answered satisfactorily. As it runs in my family on both sides, I'm well aware of how damn genetic depression is. If his father had it to the severity of suicide, there's a good chance he had it. And discovering his fathers corpse is not something I imagine he could ever mentally escape from. So in the end, his poor soul has been tormented to the point where his only joys no longer can bear the weight of his cross. Here's where I was stuck: why make your loved one's worry so much about your disappearance? Even if you decided to leave this place in the place you loved most, surely you would let the one who you loved so much know? But I was thinking like myself! For the few months I was in college, it became too much and I started to feel like a total failure and for the first time in my life seriously contemplate suicide before dropping out. I won't go into details, but suffice to say on the highly unlikely chance I did go through, everyone would have been notified. So that's where I was stuck. Then I realized the obvious! If part of the reason you did it was because you found your father's corpse, you would do everything in your power to make sure no one you loved found yours. And where is better than a place you've scouted out extensively? A cave in the middle of nowhere? But people might look for him, and he doesn't want to be found. So we come back to our 'M' cave. I think he found his spot, created the story of the 'M' cave, shot some unassuming fruitless footage searching for this cave on the opposite side of the range from his chosen location. Not as a legacy, as a red herring. This solution answers why on earth a man who doesn't want to be ever found would desire such an enduring search in the area of his death, or why a man who was tormented by his father's legacy would want a legacy of his own. Everything adds up. You sir are a genius and I've wasted far too much time explaining myself. I've got to go, now. Good day, sir!
Teleka was right to think a diagnosis would destroy her career. Doctors and other healthcare professionals who even just get help for depression or burn out related symptoms are branded as unstable and have their licenses threatened or hospitals view them as a liability and fire them. edit: wanted to add here, if she (and other doctors) were allowed to seek treatment, it's very likely that a normal healthy life and career could be had. the biases and stigma held for mental health issues and psychological disabilities is astounding. It's hard enough to work these jobs, doing it while struggling is the danger, not the well cared for alternative.
@@masrr3678 it's not, it leads to mentally ill doctors. Getting help for it should be seen as a good thing, instead of the system we have now were mentally ill doctors hide it and still treat patients. That's the way the real world works, especially in countries with bad unemployment support.
@@coloradohikertrash9958 maybe it shouldn’t be an all or nothing thing. Depends on how well they’re responding to treatment. I don’t see the harm if they have a good track record of successful care. Any doctor, mentally ill or not, is prone to human error and lapses in judgment.
Kenny Veach has a very understandable story and it is in fact likely he ended it himself somewhere out in the vast desert where he enjoyed spending most..if not all his time. I’m curious as to what the “M” could’ve signified for him though. I wasn’t able to find the initials of his parents names to see if it was somehow related to his father, but who knows. I hope he is at peace.
i respect the fact that you said that your thoughts go out to those people, and that you didn't make the claim that you pray for them which does absolutely nothing
The story surrounding Taleka Patrick is pretty tragic if you think about it. Seeing this woman posting videos of herself as her mental health deteriorates is so sad to look at, considering how it was all on an obscure channel that not many people would bat an eye at. Had this been on a more well-known channel, then it's likely that Taleka would've gotten the help she needed before it was too late.
It's pretty obvious that she was succumbing to schizophrenia, which usually doesn't manifest until the afflicted is in their 20s. It's so tragic; I can't imagine how scary it must be to live with untreated schizophrenia.
No, I've seen cases of well-known channels where the UA-camr is schizophrenic. It still doesn't go well. Look at Etika's situation, he committed suicide because of it.
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There’s actually a horror movie loosely based off this called Horror in the High Desert. I didn’t even realize until I watched this and heard of Kenny. Was kind of an eerie moment. The movie is great btw if anyone is interest. If Kenny ended his own life, I hope that he found peace.
Sam O'Nella disappeared for more than two years and then just as mysteriously turned up again without explanation. Now it's been months since we've heard from him. It's truly bigger than all of us.
Keemstar is not a source. Please do not use him as one. He has an earned reputation for lying about people on his show for views. Nothing he claims about anyone can be trusted. Marina is just one of his many victims. He has even been banned from UA-cam and the only reason hes still around is because of a loophole in youtubes rules.
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The Kenny case always stood out to me.. Never knew the part with his father. It makes me think that Kenny actually did end things himself and made sure nobody would ever find him as he did with his father.
I know some UA-camrs who have viewers that get worried if their schedule deviates a bit with no warning. The community that they fostered is so positive and they just seem like such a decent person through the little window the creator gives into their lives is a powerful one. Then if you top it off with a creator, possibly having dealt with their mental health, it can worry people. Parasocial things are really interesting. It makes me think of the people that I was friends with online years ago. Some of them just dropped off the face of the Earth and we would never really know what happened to them.
The way that The M Cave Mystery played out is fascinating to me. Kind of scary that Kenny disappeared just for trying to find and explore it. Got to wonder what was in that cave to cause his disappearance
@@A.Tips.306 how many movies do you watch 💀 there are basically no animals that find it worth it to actively hunt humans let alone animals in the desert that are already expelling all their energy to just stay alive
The M-cave effect - is the mystification. Just try to research a bit. This effect was taken from science fiction book from seventies... And disappearance cause - is the one that his girlfriend discribed.
@@DeagleGamesTV we don't know that he took his own life and the original comment is operating under that assumption so the reply that insinuates an animal tracked him does imply that it hunted him. Did you fail 8th grade reading comprehension or what?
43:30 "I claimed she is on drugs and she got mad, that's so weird of her!" Ahh keemstar...I'm still waiting for the day you dissapear and we will never have to suffer your existence anymore
If Keemstar disappeared not a single person would go looking or asking questions. He might be the only person that the internet would just entirely let go of.
Wavy didn’t mention this, and I didn’t see it in the comments, so I’d like to point out something really eerie. I think Teleka drowned because she was trying to swim to the bottom of the lake. Her tweets about “going underground” make me think this. Obviously she was having a mental health episode but it’s still unsettling as hell; to think she tried to go “underground”, likely some imaginary paradise, by swimming to the bottom of a lake, and drowning in the process. I don’t see how else she could have drowned, unless of course she simply couldn’t swim. But I find it hard to believe a person of her intellect wouldn’t know how to keep themselves afloat.
I do somewhat disagree though respect this theory. For starters, she was very symptomatic, I wouldn't be surprised if she was experiencing heavy delusions and hallucinations. Perhaps she was trying to escape through the dark winter night, and ended up in the lake. Not being able to see and having a spontaneous tactile sensory of being in cold water, mixed with the emotional distress from her mental state, might've caused a shock to her system and caused her to go into cardiac arrest. That said, I somewhat wish your theory to be true since it's less traumatic.
I think a lot of people are missing the part where it was the middle of winter in Michigan. The likeliest explanation for how she wound up in the lake is that she walked across it, because it was iced over and so she didn't know there was even a lake there, and fell through the ice. When you fall suddenly into freezing water your whole body goes into hypothermic shock, your limbs become paralyzed, you automatically gasp, and you drown within seconds - whether or not you know how to swim. Was she wandering around in the woods in the middle of winter due to a psychotic episode? Yeah, probably. But "fell through the ice" still makes more sense than "trying to swim to the underground". If she wanted to get underground, she would have been digging.
Well with the Salton thing - I used to be a tweaker (thankfully clean for many years now) and I remember dumpster diving for electronics.. I'm not sure why that's so fascinating when you're on speed. But yeah, I never scrapped or stole anything - I always got electronic junk out of dumpsters and either tried to fix it (and trade it for drugs), make something different out of it or desolder the components for other projects. I know it seems like a silly tweaker thing but a lot of people throw out really good stuff - like they'll upgrade from a 40" to 50" TV and just throw the old one out or they'll buy a new $500 vacuum and throw their older $300 one out - I remember finding two almost new laser printers once. I can't count the number of times I've seen people throw things out thinking they're beyond repair - like a nice flat screen TV with buzzing speakers that just needed a new capacitor or a gaming PC that just needed a new power supply - don't even get me started on the GameStop dumpster.. That stuff is mesmerizing while using meth or crack. But anyway, drugs are bad mkay. For real kids - don't do drugs - it's not cool and you'll regret it eventually. Opioids are even worse than speed - that withdrawal was the worst thing I've ever experienced.
same here! It's caused my computer obsession i still have even getting off the shit. But i will say living in Boston was a great place for this as i would go to M.I.T. get laptops and all kinds of experimental and DIY electronics from there dumpster (esp. when the summer would start and the students would throw out all there stuff and go back home i would go late at night) but my love of all things computer/cybersecurity related is the only benefit i ever got from it. Everything else just seemed like a benefit in my psychotic daze. Thank God that shits over. Can't say i miss much of being homeless
@@vsmith7117 Yeah, with the couple of small local colleges I've hit up around here, at the ends of semesters, it's like they throw everything in their dorms out - mini fridges for days, microwaves, lamps, TVs, tables/furniture, printers, laptops and on and on.. I can't freaking imagine MIT lol... But yeah, seeing their electronics experiments makes me want to go into that. I remember when I got my IT degree one of the classrooms I was in pretty often was right across the hall from where they were doing like DC electronic projects and stuff - like soldering resistors and diodes, etc. - but seeing all of that made me wonder if I was in the right field.. I know now that I should have switched over lol..
@@BadMarriageKawagoe It's weird how similar people act on speed... I mean, down to extremely precise details. Not just that they like to just fiddle around blah blah - specifically working with electronics, dumpster diving, wearing headlamps all the time, etc.
I hate that UA-cam is so sensored now days that you can't openly talk about suicide, it's a fact of life and something that shouldn't have to be sensored.
It's kinda (morbidly) interesting how many disappearances happen in the Mojave Desert. I've lived here my entire life and I constantly hear about someone going missing. Also, Nic was definitely killed by a mountain lion.
The M cave story is quite terrifying. Not because of the disappearance, but because of the cave. There have been reports from hikers at Mt. Shasta of similar caves causing extreme and sudden feelings of dread and being watched. In some instances people have reported seeing glowing eyes and elongated, non-human beings watching them or stalking them after getting close to the cave. In one instance, a hiker encountered a similar being inside the cave and blacked out, waking up quite a distance from the cave many hours later. The general theory is that these caves are inhabited by some sort of ET that possess telepathic abilities and use the overwhelming dread to keep people from entering the caves. Both Mt. Shasta and McKinley Air Force base are known for anomalous activity, which makes the story even more interesting.
Fun fact: the salton sea was actually made by a mining accident that diverted the colorado river. It flowed into a basin which is where you would find salt plains and with no more water flowing into it the water evaporated and over time became more and more salty. The fish they added into the sea are all dead now and their crushed up bones make up the beaches.
It reminds me of the disappearance of 4everlalaloopsy. I’m case if you didn’t who she was, she was a toy channel UA-camr who is well known for her toy reviews and Lalaloopsy videos back in the 2010s. As a kid, I always loved her content; mostly due to my hyper fixation to Lalaloopsy as it was my childhood. But recently she hasn’t been active on her UA-cam channel, her last upload being on 2016 I think. I remember checking her Twitter to see her updates and it wasn’t updated at all. I felt worried for this person, wondering where she was all these years ago.
People forget that humans are animals, too. Instinct isn't some sort of myth. When you sense danger that's crippling and unfamiliar, you sense death or extreme harm
The first story I think was the most interesting. A real and true mystery that I find both intriguing and sad. But honestly I guess if I was feeling that way and had that experience I probably would disappear completely myself. The idea of going to the trouble to completely make sure there is no trace of you left is truly impressive. It's hard to completely vanish but people who do it it's truly both scary and impressive.
Taleka's case, while could probably be attributed to schizophrenia and paranoia, also sounds like her obsession could be compared with a case of erotomania. It's really sad how there was a clear untreated mental health issue that possibly lead to her dissapearance and death.
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In the case Kenny Veach, I tend to believe what his alleged girlfriend said is true. My best friend's father committed suicide when we were about 15. My friend was the happiest and funniest person I knew and even after such a tragic event he still always seemed so full of life and hopeful for the future. Always smiling and always staying active and invested in his hobbies. Then one day he drove out to the same spot his father died and did the same. You sometimes never fully understand someone's sufferings.
Damn bro, sorry for your loss 😔
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I’m so sorry for your loss 💔 may you find peace and I’m sorry you had to go through the grief 🥺
I always though he took a tumble down a mineshaft. Lots of vertical ones hiding in the shadows
Rest in peace, bro. I’m really sorry about your friend.
Kenny's story has always broken my heart- I hadn't heard about his father's suicide and him finding the body... that's so terrible.
Kenny and his dad is defintely a New discovery to story along with the depresión as it seems no one who has covered his story has never mentioned these facts before
@@UgiBaka I've heard about Kenny Veach but didn't hear anything else until today
Oh my god They killed Kenny!
@Heartland Railfanner™ Kenny’s father committed suicide. Kenny’s still missing
OMG KENNY KILLED.... KENNY? DAYMN IT
I used to work in inpatient psychiatry, and Taleka’s story is a good example that mental health or neurological illnesses can, and do, occur in people who were previously high functioning and “normal”….in other words, it can happen to anyone.
Many times, I see commenters on missing persons videos saying “But they had no past history of mental illness, and so it can’t be that,” but unfortunately, a true neuropsych crisis can definitely happen in adulthood, with few or no warning signs previously.
Can a healthy adult just go from Normal to having a total psychiatric meltdown in a matter of days and become a danger to themselves?
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24Taleka’s problems began in her late-20s. Typically, schizophrenia manifests itself by age 25, but many illnesses have early-onset & late-onset variations. It’s also possible that her problems began earlier and were more subtle/she was able to hide them from the people in her life, such as her parents.
The fact that she compared her life to that of the person in A Beautiful Mind, and that in one of her tweets, she mentioned a drug for schizophrenia not being strong enough, I think Taleka did suffer from schizophrenia and knew this. It’s a sad statement about our society that a doctor felt she couldn’t seek the full psychiatric help she needed for fear of jeopardizing her career. I’d bet she prescribed that medication herself, but psychiatry wasn’t her specialty, so she wasn’t prescribing the med she needed or wasn’t administering the proper dosage to herself.
Taleka was also exhibiting symptoms common to Bipolar Disorder, which can result is full psychotic breaks. this happened to Carrie Fisher after she had to be taken off all her meds because she had an allergic reaction to one and stopped breathing. They took her off all meds, and before they solved the mystery of which med had triggered the reaction, she’d had a prolonged manic episode that prevented her from sleeping for six days, and the sleep deprivation triggered a psychotic break; the doctors feared they might not get her back.
(I’ve never seen an interview where Carrie fully explained this, because I have a few medical conditions myself including depression, anxiety, and migraines, and I educated myself on my issues. I am assuming Carrie wasn’t on any new meds, that’s why the docs were unsure what triggered that reaction. But what I don’t get is why they did nothing to help her during those six sleepless days. The plan was to reintroduce one med at a time, to figure out what she could continue to take and which med had to be removed from her medicine regimen. So she had to be in the hospital being observed that entire time. They wouldn’t send her home, since the reaction resulted in her being unable to breathe. If no one else had been at her home, she’d have died.)
I don’t know if you can have Bipolar and Schizophrenia or if schizophrenia has some of the same symptoms, but yes, a mental health crisis can happen very quickly, especially if you aren’t getting help for an illness or are getting improper/inadequate treatment.
There was a tragic case in Canada where a young man went from fine to getting a schizophrenia diagnosis to becoming very sick very quickly. The doctor was surprised at how rapidly his mental state deteriorated, but the doc worked hard to treat him; it was difficult. I don’t think the doc grasped just how bad it really was, despite realizing how insidious this case of schizophrenia was. Eventually, the treatments seemed to be helping and the guy was starting to build a productive life. He got on a bus one afternoon to attend either college or a trade school. Unfortunately, he ended up chatting with another passenger who was a conspiracy theorist.
He got off the bus before his destination and got on another to immediately return home. By the time he got there, it was the middle of the night. He was clearly in bad shape, his parents called his doctor, who said he could get him hospitalized that night. But things seemed to calm down, so the dad said he thought it could wait until the next day His siblings were visiting home as was at least one of his sisters-in-law. She (or maybe it was his sister) was pregnant. That night, he shot everyone in the house. Some survived but it was just horrific.
So yep, a person can go down hill very quickly. I also wonder if she didn’t predict going missing but instead was planning to end her life, hoping or expecting not to be found. Walking into a lake isn’t typical for su!c!d@, but it’s not an impossibility. The reference to that medication not being strong enough could be interpreted as she was giving up on treatment provided the help she needed to end her suffering. Or maybe she was planning on deliberately disappearing, walking away from her life, for some reason and she did just accidentally drown in that lake.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 many if not most cluster B disorders do not show themselves until mid-twenties to thirties. For men can be even later. Some need a trigger event some do not. Point is, there is nothing set in stone when it comes to mental health. It is what it is and happens when it happens. And you have to do the best you can for your loved ones that may be experiencing it because they tend to think nothing is wrong. Pay attention to everything they do. Be present. I have a family member that has NPD but I also used to work with schizophrenics.
Because is can happen to anybody is the reason that, from my perspective, it is the last great taboo with many societies and cultures not wanting to discuss it and stigmatising and even shunning sufferers.
Don't hate me but I don't know of anyone in my Indian village very small btw with any mental disorders , but my wife (American ) says it's maybe bcuz they manifestations are maybe possibly bcuz of the massive amounts of social structures , family and such the mental disorders have different umm different outcomes /signs.
So I live in Southern California, and feel fairly confident that Nic Sonderegger may have run into a cougar. Female cougars, when in heat, make a cry that sounds remarkably like a screaming woman. And while most of the time cougars are timid and won't bother people, a hormonal female cougar in the dead of night will be much more violent. It is possible that he was killed by a cougar and potentially eaten by it.
100%%, i was going to comment this, It sounds like a mountain lion/ Cougar. his sheath to his knife being found sounds like he probably tried to protect himself but you cant protect yourself from a big cat at night, I'd imagine he will never be identified in anyway.
But then his clothes would've been shredded and found. I don't know, something is definitely fishy here.
@@timmytacoburrito no they wouldn't, those cats eat everything, if there is any leftovers after a week they'll be miles apart and in recognizable due to other animal, cultures alone would clean it all up in 12 hours
Vultures**
Just posted that idea myself
I remember Taleka Patrick's case from Nick Crowley. It's disturbing seeing one's mental instability and decline play out online, and it ultimately ended in death.
Very sad. I'm surprised that she was able to maintain a job until the end of her life...that "My awesome day" UA-cam video was so darn disturbing. Poor lady.
@@tj-8422 she was a kind and caring person and was very intelligent
@@CJ-ht4rf she appeared to be, indeed. So sad.
@@tj-8422 I was also surprised that she could hold down a job, not to mention as a pediatric resident, with how bad her delusions seemed to be. It’s so tragic that she was so bright and driven but afflicted with such severe mental illness. 😢
Its kinda wild that she could handle such a hard job with her mental health. If she had gotten treatment in time she would've probably excelled in her field.
What Kenny's girlfriend said does make a lot of sense for the situation. His excitement about a topic that he couldn't even prove, even going as far as to convince people that it was real, his history of depression... he could have been having a manic episode and "the M cave" was kind of his way of coming to terms with his decision.
That’s probably the most logical conclusion. At some point Kenny did say that if he wanted to make sure he was never found he could.
I can totally see that... But also as much as I hate to put any blame on anybody who is grieving, I can't help but wonder if she had anything to do with it whether it was suicide or not. She refers to him in the past tense and like you said her story doesn't make sense at all really. Idk just a thought that crossed my mind
@@slimyturtle4665 if she was fake, it means he was suicided. Police cover those up. There is an earth bound reptilian humanoids that live underground. He was in a dangerous environment.
least obvious fed
@@slimyturtle4665yeah, I thought that was strange too. Why would she talk about Kenny in the past tense when he hasn’t even been found yet?? Does she know something about what happened to him?
There are wild animals that sound VERY similar to a woman screaming. Known to be in public areas at night.
Wild cats. Bobcats, and mountain lions especially, sound EXACTLY like a woman screaming for her life.
Fisher cats I'm pretty sure.
On the flip side, there's humans that sound VERY similar to an animal screaming, my wife being on of those.
S K I N W A L K E R S
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens SKINWALKERS
Kenny Googling ‘Help me’ struck sooo deep and hard and absolutely breaks my heart knowing how hurt he obviously was :(
Great video like always, wavy!
Never even knew this about the story until now. Watbewebsurf truly is our Indiana Imternet Jones
I remember hearing about that on The Why Files…. Such a punch to the gut. I really wish he could’ve gotten help, he seemed like a really cool dude who didn’t deserve to suffer the way he did.
The story about the woman who stalked the gospel singer, crashed her car, and disappeared, is very very similar to a story that happened in streator, il in around 2010. A woman and her husband went to a Christmas party and on their way home they crashed. The husband was found dead at the scene. The woman went missing. She stayed missing for months. There was a big blizzard that year. Because of that, despite almost a month of searching in the area, there was no sign at all of the woman. Many people in town, quite literally, claimed it was aliens. The truth was, the woman was disoriented, left the car, and walked a mile away from it trying to find help before she succumbed to her the cold and her injuries. She was found in the spring after the snow melted. Fortunately, no alien activity was discovered.
Heard a similar story but the couple in that case weren’t married and they had both taken a lot of drugs at the party, causing the to get lost in the snow and be unable to adequately explain to 911 where they were or what was happening.
Kind reminds me of the Yuba County 5, Not that similar to it but the fact that a snowstorm effected the search is similar.
Gotta give you props for handling these stories as you did - especially the ones about people dealing with mental breakdowns or disordered. A lot of UA-camrs villainize or make fun of the people... or treat them as content first when a lot of these are such tragic stories.
he does handle all of these stories with grace. love ur videos so much eckharts
Yeah truly disheartening
So true. We need more empathetic and thoughtful coverage like this.
…?? What UA-camr makes fun of suicide?
@@J_M3444 a certain Paul brother springs to mind
I'd heard about Kenny before, but not his family history. That, coupled with the fact that he made a point of mentioning he was bringing a pistol along, suggest a particular tragic possibility to me.
Yep
Perhaps the m cave was a symbol. Perhaps in the past he was too scared to kill himself. But he worked up the courage finally. The m cave symbolizes his death
@@coocoo3336 My god reading that gave me chills.
Maybe, but it’s always a good idea to bring a gun when exploring unknown caves. Never know what sort of critter or crazy person might be in there.
its not uncommon for people to bring guns with them when they're exploring places where wild animals live.
That last case was so messed up and shows how mean the internet can be. People start a rumor she was kidnapped which she obviously didn't ask for. Then when it was found that those rumors weren't true people started hating on her cause they felt she used the rumor to boost her UA-cam career. Jeez.
yeah.... I watched her when I was a little emo kid in 2014 before the situation happened (she was much more lucid back then, just a normal teenage girl doing normal teenage girl things) and I thought it was absolutely insane how people piled on her when I assumed she was having a mental health crisis. she never once seemed like the type of person to do crazy shit for "clout" but people just ran with it. I specifically remember a leafy video with millions of views where he said something along the lines of "so yeah. In my opinion shes on drugs or doing this for attention". Just wild and totally invasive stuff
I don't know man. The M cave always sounded like a metaphor to me.
"the only cave I was ever afraid to enter"
What if it was only a metaphor for ending it all?
thats actually a good point!
I have been to the M cave, it has low oxygen and carbon monoxide gasses, it made me feel super dizzy but yet good at the same time, oxygen hypoxia can make you feel "high" or feel like you are "vibrating"
People have speculated this but there’s multiple people who have actually found the M cave and corroborated his experiences so it seems like a coincidence
@@IceBlueLugiayep. And the reason they felt similarly to him was that they all probably experienced hypoxia from lack of oxygen and whatnot, it can make you “vibrate” and feel very anxious and exactly how he felt.
*M for MURDER ?*
For me, it looks NOTHING like the letter M ! It must be some metaphor !
It's crazy how people can just disappear despite massive efforts and tons of people who care to find them. The mystery of nature somehow supercedes a far more substantial amount of effort on the other aide.
When they were abruptly missing as such, I am certain they were either eaten by animals or murdered :(
Well. As an adult, one has a right, if they so choose, to disappear. And it's legal. Hurtful to others? Sure. But within their right as free people? You bet.
You can go missing anytime you want. Nobody can force you home or stop you if you dont want to be found.
I agree. As others stated it's fine to go missing. It's another thing to have safe and or zero infrastructure in place for those lost on known trails, forests etc. At least in Kenny's case
@Maps rights are valid most minors are still under the care of their parents or someone older than them. Once they are older & out on their own, yes, their life path is their choice and theirs alone. Irresponsible? Maybe. Hurtful? More than likely. But ultimately, their life and what they do with it is their choice. If that means disappearing & taking on a new face, in a new place or simply exiting the world, it's their right to choose for themselves. Also, given your username? I can ascertain you don't actually care about the safety of minors 💀
I remember going to the Salton Sea about 13 years ago and remember being shocked at how dried it had gotten with sea shells and fish bones scattered everywhere, very eerie.
As someone who has MS, I get it. I've had my phone set to "do not disturb" for 2 days because I had a flare up and everything was hard. Its also a stone cold fact that people with MS are waaaaay more likely to suffer from major depressive disorder and awful anxiety. I dont like telling people anything about it. I don't wanna be a burden. I can't imagine what that feeling is like if you're a public figure. Fuck MS
My aunt had it and I can absolutely understand why she wouldn't want to talk about it, especially as a very young woman. It's a lot to deal with
Another UA-camr I watch, was diagnosed with MS in February of 22 & he has had to completely change the way he makes videos. He had to stop streaming all together with the exception of one every couple of months. So I absolutely believe her.
I was diagnosed with MS. Everyday in which there are minimal existential crises, or "lost in the backrooms" type of despair, is a win.
Yeah, I heard MS is very painful after the main actress of Dead To Me got diagnosed with MS before season 3 and during production she was held up a lot of times by crew members or having dialogues in doorways or chairs so she can hold onto something. She said she really wanted to finish the show for the fans. I can’t believe someone with so much pain can push through it! You can really see the difference in her face, too from previous 2 seasons to the last one… Makes me really respect people with MS who just want to live normal lives.
Shit I just have chronic pain and when it flares up I don't talk to anyone and can't do anything. I can't imagine dealing with a fan base while struggling with something like MS.
I can empathize with Marina. And I believe her when she says that's the reason for her behaviour. As someone with MS, I've often been accused of being drunk or on drugs by people who don't know me- was even stopped by a cop in public once because I was staggering and had slurred speech. It's no fun having to prove you're disabled when you look "fine"
I'm sorry. I hope you have a good day/night.
Walk around with a card, simple fix. Like a business card, a conversation starter and a get out of jail free card
Older guy living near me has pretty severe ataxia, he cant buy a beer to save his life, if theres a new cashier. Ive bought him beer many times, one time it ended in heated exchange because me vouching for him wasnt enough, so I ended up buying them myself with some carefully curated zings and dagger eyes. Decent dude, who just loves to watch sports and have couple cool ones.
Also, sometimes starting a new medicine can definitely make you loopy. I remember having so much trouble after being prescribed cough syrup; I had hard time standing for longer periods, I had the energy of a dried slug and even indoors had this annoying “mist” everywhere, I couldnt see right. I foolishly went bowling with my friend, couldnt really see the pins, just the lane :)
It's just disgusting, I never heard of Marina Joyce before but I was facepalmimg while listening to her case and just how stupid some people can be and how they treated her and her boyfriend. I'm pretty sure they don't care about her and are just intrigued by creating conspiracy theories and can't mind their own business. I genuinely feel sorry for her, she has every right to keep her business to herself and have privacy for her private life. And of course Keenstar would be involved, the biggest bully of all. That guy just can't stop harassing people and try to screw their with life. From Etika to the old guy he falsely accused of pedophilia, to Maria Joyce and many more.
gotta love 'invisible' disabilities /s
I think the Marina Joyce story was what really solidified how much I hated Keemstar. There are times where I believe he is in the right, but even when he is, he is always such a dick
He is a garden gnome.
He has the right to be you npc
@@simonforfan What is this wording???
@@mikeyaftony2464 It’s poorly programmed npc talk. “all ur base are belong to us” type…
@@LOLWHATBRO Did you even respond to the correct thread? Well, since you brought up grammar, you made several mistakes. You did not capitalize forgot. You did not capitalize not and you forgot a period on your last sentence.
The amount of theories and myths regarding Kenny will always be mysterious, I remember when people online would try to state the most craziest theories on Kenny's disappearance, like him getting into the cave and getting mauled by a cougar or just finding himself in some 5th dimension
Or cartel cave...
@@williebeamish5879 ngl i thought that was what happened beforebi heard the girlfriend's statement
@@williebeamish5879 a cougar would be more likely. Where there are no humans, there will be wild animals.
Agreed. Given its dark and tragic nature, I don't want to call the case a "classic", but its definitely a piece of YT history I think any vet of this site has heard of.
Kennys story about the M cave gave me very strong “Ted the caver” vibes. Just sounds like he stumbled upon the same typa shit.
I have a mathematician uncle who suffers from schizophrenia. Voices would tell him to kill his family members and he'd go on walks throughout town without any way of tracking him. We'd have to rely on acquaintances spotting him cause he'd go "missing" every other month.
He was my favorite uncle and I haven't seem him physically since I was a kid. I'd be lying if I said I didn't worry about him ending up like Taleka.
My mother had schizophrenia when I got to the age I could understand things he told me my mother tried to kill both him and myself. I feel for anyone that suffers from schizophrenia. Not a pretty thing to ensure
as of february 2024, marina joyce is still active and her recent upload was from 2 weeks ago. it makes me so happy to see that she might actually be recovering from this drama because she didn’t even deserve to be stressed about it. she seems like such a genuinely positive person and i’d love to look up to her one day as a person, it’s so sad that even the nicest people have to deal with the worst 😔
If Joyce indeed has multiple sclerosis, her life is going to take a very bleak turn eventually. She needs the loving support from her entourage more than ever to arm herself against the fear of death, instead of tittle-tattle, drama stirring and reddit tier conspiracy theories.
It appears that she has mental health issues
The Taleka one is so sad... she was such an intelligent young woman. It's kinda wild how she was so delusional while also being so lucid. Making meals, and being an actual doctor.
It’s so incredibly sad, and scary to think that it’s possible to be very intelligent *and* also have delusions. I have OCD which doesn’t generally cause outright delusions, but for me it’s like- logically I know nothing bad will happen to me if I touch something that’s red (or at least if something bad does happen it’s a coincidence). I *know* my obsessions aren’t logical, but my brain and body engage with them anyway as if I’m in real danger. It’s wild how much your brain can go haywire.
@@hannahb2306 Yeah. I have psychotic depression and delusions, and the worst part is knowing that what you're thinking is illogical but being unable to snap yourself out of it. No one would know that I suffer from delusions if I didn't tell them, since I mask almost perfectly. I used to want myself to be "worse" so I would be taken seriously.
I hope you're well.
@@rowancook4369 thanks, you too 💗
People like her often become homicidal
@@rowancook4369 @Hannah B I get that from an anxiety disorder standpoint. The spiraling thoughts don't stop because someone tells you it's not going to end up this way or that way. I've been called delusional and overreactive when I get anxious, which just gets me more anxious now about something else entirely (!!), but nowadays I'm better at stopping and asking myself if I'm just having spiraling thoughts. Plus, I switched from Prozac to Zoloft, and the spiraling thoughts have lessened and I'm generally more calm about things...it's a little weird when the irrational thoughts halt, but also so relieving.
My anxiety got so bad in my senior year of college that I suffered my first episode of derealization while driving to Target. Things felt really numb and dream-like, and I genuinely didn't know whether or not I was awake when I merged lanes to exit onto a parkway. All I knew "for sure" is that my 2000s playlist was on. When I finally parked and got inside, I roamed without much recognition of what I was there for until I sat down on a shelf and pulled my phone out. I messaged my friends on Discord and they talked me through what I needed to do, which was name every thing I could see in front of me. I typed it out to them and said it out loud, and it helped ground me a bit. I'm just so thankful that I reach out for help whenever I feel these things happen, and I'm in therapy now.
Sorry I just had an edible and wanted to write a novel apparently, lol!
marinas story is a prime example of the internet acting like it deserves to a content creators entire personal like and details.
yup and when they dont get answers they like its time for wild conspiracies
@@TheUndeadMew exactly. Everything has to be a conspiracy. The internet has no sense of privacy.
What do you expect when you publicize your life and then act completely out of character for 2 years? I’m not saying people are entitled to knowing about her private life however if you don’t want attention then you shouldn’t seek it out because the internet will run wild with it as we’ve seen.
@@IIconikkExactly. Not excusing the internets behavior, but there were obviously people concerned about her and her response about it was terrible. If you want privacy maybe don’t become a public figure??
@@gabrielarivera4864bro is blaming people for wanting privacy
"...Kenny nor his body..." That made me laugh, like you were expecting Kenny to be found separately from his body.
“Kenny” - found alive “his body” - found dead
Yeah, I think it was more like "Kenny alive, nor his dead body...."
If the last woman really has MS that's incredibly sad and kind of frustrating that people would still hang on to conspiracies about her. It's very off-putting.
+1. She said "MS is like cancer, but isn't as bad", but I'd disagree on the 2nd part - it's absolutely as bad as cancer. Apples & oranges, but it's horrifying to watch your body destroy itself with nothing you can do to cure it, and very little to ease symptoms. I wish people would ever learn when to drop it, like the conspiracy theorists who needle people endlessly.
On top of that, her channel is basically dead.
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens my fiancé was diagnosed with MS 1 month before she died 2 years ago. I couldnt fully understand the pain she was going thur but i feel the pain afterwards. Really miss her fr
Why didn’t she just say so then way back when instead she rides the wave of clicks and views…
@@judgeprime3730 Because she shouldn't need to share stuff like that publicly before she is ready to. I imagine she was still trying to grasp it herself, it would have been a very difficult time for her overall.
Poor Taleka Patrick. Her story is one I've always found so very, very sad. She clearly had a lot of potential to have a wonderful life; untreated mental illness led to her terrible tragedy.
Indeed. Pray for her & her family. 🙏
One of the things that struck me about Kenny Veach's story of the "M-Shaped Cave" is that unless one marks the location on a map or tags it through GPS coordinates for future reference, it can be very easy to lose track of its location, especially in that area of desert which straddles the Nevada/California state line. Trying to recall a particular cave by the shape of the mouth of the cave can be tricky, as rock slides and rock falls can alter the shape of these caves and their entrances on a pretty regular basis. Most of these desert caves, defiles, ravines, and gorges are made of soft sandstone. Even without much weathering from rain, the rock can still weaken and collapse pretty easily just through temperature variations throughout the day and night. Also, he was absolutely correct that those areas are simply riven with such features dotted among the hills. You can come across dozens within a few hours walk. It's not too surprising he never found the same cave again, or found it but didn't recognize it.
The Sheep Range is on the border between Clark and and Lincoln counties. What do you think about the cave making his body vibrate?
Finding a cave like that again is like remembering the shape of a sand dune hahaha like you said, these environments change shape over time, often quickly.
@joel I do think he found a strange unexplained cave with some sort of odd properties.
The vibrating part got me.
Thats a deep cave if its casting the Schumann resonances.
If I had to guess, I'd say Taleka intentionally went swimming during a "manic episode"; this is actually a common phenomenon with Bipolar Disorder. It's the same way Elisa Lam (very likely) died, which is another famous case of a mysterious drowning.
She probably had Schizoaffective Disorder, which is essentially Schizophrenia mixed with Bipolar Disorder. The "delusions of grandeur" and erotomania are also big red flags that point towards this theory.
Plus she had recently gone off her meds. Other people with the condition seemed to understand her actions immediately.
@@onionbubs386 i have that disorder and a single episode can resllt upend your life
I’m from Kalamazoo, Michigan and never heard of the Taleka story. It’s truly heartbreaking. As some context. The Raddison Hotel is a REALLY nice hotel fairly close to a really rough area of downtown Kalamazoo. Seeing people acting more than a little crazy in that area is not uncommon. Twice over the last semester when driving to the local community college for class I’ve seen people acting extremely strange. It also isn’t strange for People with schizophrenia to “self medicate.” TBH it just seems like was going through a bad episode, self medicated, got behind the wheel of a car and just fell into the water after driving off of the road. It’s really sad tbh.
kzoo pride
Have you heard of Derek Jeter from Kalamazoo?
I'm from Hyattsville (The place where she spent the first two years of her life).
Also from kzoo and it's pretty common for news to not report on missing women of color, that's most likely why it was missed. I hate being downtown, I've never felt safe there.
Taleka’s story is so sad but so common…she showed all the early symptoms of schizophrenia. It was just a matter of time until she had her first psychotic break. The fact that she was in a medical residency and nobody could intervene is sad…
I felt so sorry for Marina Joyce, I got the impression at the time that she was having a psychotic episode and the whole internet piled on
Some people simply shouldn't be online.
@@mjanny6330 absolutely! I think her loved ones should have stepped in to take her out of that space and just put out a statement that she was safe and with her loved ones
no u didnt
Eye, eye captain
@@aWomanFreed
HEY .... how did you get out of your cage? Lol
For Kenny, the "not bringing his video camera" part was a pretty big red flag for the whole "ending it" case. It's sad, regardless. He really had a personality.
I'm originally from South Dakota, and I can count on both hands how many times I've heard of someone going for a hike and not coming back because they likely fell into a mine shaft. There were absolutely times when people would get taken down by cougars or took a big fall, but they almost always found remains in those instances. Even if it was just a bloodied jacket.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kenny is in the bottom of the mine from his video or another nearby shaft. If he was as familiar with them as his girlfriend reported, then he would know that would be an easy way to never be seen again. The tossed phone in an area he's been known to frequent reads like a marker.
Watch your step when you're hiking in mining country.
It's not mentioned in the video, but the mineshaft was already checkes back when his phone was found. He wasn't in it.
@@TheMisanthropist69 that's fair enough. I'd be interested to see if there are more shafts in the area and if they've been checked too.
I'm going to say this right now. I think Kenny was murdered and the suicide part was to cover it up. If he really was suicidal he wouldn't take his phone with him to dump. He has no point of return.
The girlfriend seems suspicious to me and I think it's possible his body isn't even there but was made to look like he went there. I am a junior detective and some of the things are NOT adding up at all.
@@TheMisanthropist69 didn't they say that the mineshaft went deeper but they couldn't reach it all the way?
@@femboycookies was the "girlfriend" even verified? I mean it could easily just be some random claiming to be her and saying those things. Such is the way if the internet
Kenny's story is so sad. I've heard of him and the "M cave" before, however I never heard the part about what happened to his father and that Kenny found him. That makes the story make a lot more sense. Pretty much every youtuber leaves that out. The more "mysterious disappearance" cases I look into the more I realize that most youtubers leave out details that point to a logical explanation. This is either them not doing proper research or them attempting to sensationalize what happened and make it a conspiracy theory.
This happens especially often with "Missing 411" cases. Thanks for doing some real research Wavyweb.
Can you give some examples of which 411 cases you’re talking about?
@@TheFapFactory Maybe Scare Theater? Idk just a hunch. When he covered the M cave.
@@TheFapFactory The most recent one I looked into was the Aaron Hedges case. Aaron had a history of substance abuse and was almost certainly in withdrawals while they were hunting. The missing 411 movie barely makes note of this and they never interview the two hunters that were actually with Aaron right before he went missing. There was an entire police investigation into the disappearance and the MAIN SOURCE OF INFORMATION about the events that took place, and what happened to him, came from the testimony of those two guys. Not only are they not interviewed in the movie, their testimony is almost completely ignored. This testimony mentions that Aaron was sickly, not in a very friendly mood, could barely shoot his bow, obviously struggling with withdrawals, and probably should not have been out there in his condition. He got in an argument with his two hunting partners and then wandered out of camp and disappeared. Not to mention that his body was actually found in a "bear stash".
He was in poor physical and mental condition, wandered away from camp, and either got killed by a bear, or died of exposure and was scavenged by a bear. Really no big mystery at all. I would hardly consider the case, "without any reasonable explanation".
I highly recommend the channel, "The Missing Enigma". He covers many disappearances including "411" cases and does a much better job presenting all the available info than pretty much every other UA-camr. Once you get all the info on many of these cases you begin to realize how poor most of David Paulides "research" actually is.
your videos are amazing! your style of documentary is simple yet entertaining.
Please do continue to keep making these.
the marina joyce situation makes me so mad. it was like a preview of the too much true crime brained tiktok detective problem now. just so, parasocial and invasive. it was obvious she was just going through something, i figured it was a mental health crisis or something and she just needed time and privacy to work through it. the fact that she was dealing with MS and coping with losing her vision, and the reality of what would happen to her body over time, while dealing with the drama gnome and crazy parasocial freaks is just heart breaking. im honestly amazed by the positive energy she manages to project through all that
My Aunt has MS, it makes you say and do stuff ... man i loved my aunt but even knowing full well that she has MS the stuff she said and did hurt so extremly that basicly everyone stopped contact with her, wich is also somewhat her husbands fault, everybody says hes just there for her money and lies about pretty much everything and wont stop harrasing my mothers parents and my mother.
I could tell from just looking at the footage that something was wrong with her and somehow it seemed eerie similiar - but could not quite figure out why untill the bit where she said she has MS, the movement of hers, the speak patern ... almost the same like my Aunt .... fucking scary, and it only will get worse ... i hate MS.
Doesn’t help that her and her bf are clearly unintelligent and made the situation much worse
What about one of her videos having the "help me" whisper around that time?
@@meltingpoint97Oh shut up lol. Keem needs to stop sticking his neck into shit he’s not involved in, it has nothing to do with her “intelligence” that you think you can discern from whatever she decides to make public of herself.
"she just needed time and privacy to work through it. "
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Nothing like posting endless videos on YT to induce privacy. 😂😂😂 And no one was twisting her arm to do social media. I think what she really needed was two parents who cared more for her.
Sonderegger was unquestionably killed by a mountain lion. Look up videos of them screaming in the night, it sounds just like a human woman screaming for their life.
Yup, exactly what I was thinking.
well that’s super unnerving
Yup, 100%
IIRC pumas are noteworthy for being willing to eat humans too, so that probably explains the lack of a body
Then wouldn't there have been evidence of that? Like blood and mountain lion tracks?
@@UsrNmTkn You'd be surprised, man eating big cats can pull some insane stuff, the infamous leopard of rudraprayag was known to be able to kill a person and drag their body out of a room undetected even if somebody else was in the room with them, man eating big cats are scary af
In the case of Kenny, I’ve heard of infrasound induced panic. It’s sound waves that are too low for the human ear to hear. That could explain the vibration he felt as he got closer to the cave, and the discomfort he felt getting closer. My first guess is it could be a deterrent set up by the military or someone else to keep people out of a restricted area. In the Nevada desert it could be about anything.
Taleka :( by the sounds of it, it seemed like she tried a medicine to treat her schizophrenia- however its not uncommon for new medications to trigger psychosis in people with schizophrenia. I think its hard for people to understand the events leading up to her death because they do not properly understand schizophrenia. poor girl, my heart goes out to her. People suffering from schizophrenia are far more likely to be the victims of crimes, rather than the perpetrators.
My sister has schizophrenia and I have her kids. Seem to come out of nowhere. She’s homeless in Florida. She won’t take her meds
@@jcritter9295 my dog has arthritis
@@seducedbysasquatch hilarious
@@origamitraveler7425 her pain is far from hilarious
Yeah i believe the medicine caused her to have an episode as well. Now whether its exactly as you said idk, but i know that when you take heavy medication you havent gotten before for the first time, you have to start by very small doses at first and slowly reach the recommended dose, and also dont interupt it.
Any chance Nic was got by a Mountain Lion? "woman screaming" sounds and I'm pretty sure they have lions out in that area. Maybe he went to go check it out and it took most of him away, hence the only finding a few belongings.
i honestly believe so. first time i ever heard a mountain lion scream scared the ever living shit out of me, it really does sound like a woman
His belongings left behind would most likely be torn up or scratched up..?right?
@@PetesTakeit's possible. I don't think the condition of his belongings was specified. I could see his boot coming off if he was dragged by an animal, not sure about the other items though.
@@michaylavr8241 sheath coulda came off or he took it off tryna fight back, still wondering abt the pants tho
@@toast3591 Not if it caught him off guard. Also half the reason they target the neck is to break it and paralyze their prey.
I miss those older Explore With Us videos. I remember seeing this specific video! I've been to the Salton Sea. It's gotten a lot less abandoned over the years, since a lot of artists realized it was a great place to put installations.
Yeah.. I missed the whole "rebranding" of the channel to what it is now. 😂 Are Bob and Emma involved with it anymore?
@@damotheman4196 I don't think so... they started to get very rude with people actually worried about the weird changes (people get attached with a father/daughter relationship like that, it was their brand) until some months later they "set the record straight" and said they were "trying to get rid of stalkers" (edit: if I remember correctly, they said this on their official forum outside YT).
They started a new channel talking about cars or something and then I stopped following them...
They just sold the channel and needed a time off but their behavior after selling the channel was off-putting... the majority of people were legitimately worried because they were, at the time, messing with Area 51 stuff, it wasn't a parasocial thing.
@@redacted2275 Man, now i remember the dad talking about stalkers ... Plus the guy who died. All the comments about Emms werre horrid..thanks for the reply.. They thought they might find the killer and the police had spoken to them... Can't believe i forgot! Cheers mate... Quite a story.
I hope that Kenny managed to explore that M-Cave before likely taking himself from the Earth. The idea that he got to explore that cave and feel that sense of wonder before finally ending his own suffering makes it way less sad. Rest in Peace, Kenny.
@The Real Cat of 2020 We still don't know
@@WillTheChill92 I mean they didnt shoot his corpse off into space, so hes absolutely still on on earth. Ya silly af
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 ya sure bout that tho? 🤣
@@HiNRGboy True. He hasn't been found, so that m cave could have been a forgotten clown cannon TO THE MOON.
I honestly feel like he didn't take his own life. The story doesn't add up. Something went down near Area 51..
taleka's case reminds me of how i used to be when i broke up with my ex. i was living in a delusional episode, fully content in the belief that i'd be his husband and we'd live in a large extravagant house together and be married with two kids of our own, which we'd adopt. once you've built up all of those expectations, and it all falls apart in your face, you continue with the delusion. you want to convince yourself that you didn't do all of this for nothing, and that this would *still* happen no matter what. i remember "texting" him, acting as if he was still responding to me even though he didn't. even after, i had this little journal where i pretended to be writing to him and telling him about my day.
taleka was a really, *really* chilling glimpse at how i used to be.
edit: it's really chilling how normal you can act while living in a delusional episode. like, i still remember going to school and doing things i was asked, and on occasion acting happy, but sometimes the façade would break and i'd have breakdowns. the situation is at the back of your mind the entire time-it's not easy to break out of. it was really, *really* upsetting to watch taleka's portion leading up to her disappearance. engaging in risky behavior is quite common for me when i'm in a downward spiral too, but luckily i'm closely monitored so that would never happen.
I think you just described my stalker. She has been at it for years.
That is not what delusional means. Refusing to accept a breakup and struggling with it is pretty standard fare.
Here is a clue, Definitions are hidden in books.
It's so sad how hard it is to help people like this, they remain convinced they're thinking clearly and that everyone around them is out the get them regardless of what is said to them.
Teleka's case is just.. sad. A woman that definitely had some mental illness issues that she wasn't getting help with.
Teleka Patrick worked at the doctor's office my wife used to go to. I met her once or twice, and she seemed nice. When she went missing, and her body subsequently found, it was all over the news in Kalamazoo, and lots of theories surrounding that Sapp guy. Such a shame what happened.
You know what happend? Enlighten us.
If only Taleka had gotten the support for her mental illness, she would’ve most certainly been here today as a successful doctor
Sadly, mental illness in the black community is brushed off and even mocked by other black folks. A person can show signs of mental illness, threaten to take their life, or take their own life right in front of them and it would be blamed on everything but mental illness. 🤦🏽♀️ Look at the state of Chicago, NY and California. That behavior is not of sane people.
*Please respond back respectfully
The whole Marina Joyce debacle was ridiculous. Her fans and critics jumped to insane conclusions on very little, flimsy "evidence" and demanded information from her.
Marina had zero obligation to divulge personal details about herself or her life and they had no right to demand it of her. It was none of their business. She repeatedly stated that she was ok. That should have been the end of it but no, that wasn't good enough for them. The idiots kept pulling on that thread and using their own ignorance as more so-called "evidence". Some like Keemstar even criticised her for not wanting to expose personal information online by way of an explanation. If she didn't want to talk about personal stuff, that was her right. How dare they keep pestering her like that?! Honestly, it was just harassment, pure and simple.
Everyone who engaged in the Marina Joyce situation is an absolutely sickening, arrogant, self-righteous individual who will hopefully suffer some sort of karmic justice in the future.
The whole story perfectly sums up what 2016 was like on the internet. People verbally abusing what looks to be unusual and mentally unstable individuals to evoke drama for easy content
She puts her entire life on a constant live stream and people deserve bad karma because she decides to dissappear suddenly?.. you're a strange cookie 🤣
wtf is wrong with you? The vast majority of the people concerned about her were worried for her wellbeing and you take that to mean they're arrogant harassers? If she didn't want people worrying about her, she should've either made it clear what her condition was or stopped doing youtube entirely. If you choose to be an influencer, you don't get to complain about people caring about your wellbeing.
@@FluffyFerretFarm No she didn't, you clearly weren't paying attention to the video. She was a UA-camr and this whole thing started long before her brief, 10 day absence. UA-camrs are people too, they aren't caged animals in a zoo. They're entitled to their privacy, just like everyone else. If saying that makes me strange then that's fine with me.
Keemstar being an irredeemable POS? imagine my shock
It’s staggering how many people who’ve made various videos on UA-cam have just disappeared and haven’t been found. Here’s hoping they’re found one day, at least for the sake of their families.
Unfortunately the date of disappearance and the update, its lost hope now
@@GrindyVine yep
Seems to be fairly in line with the rate in which people disappear in general
Back the early 2010's I was really into old videogames (NES and Snes) and I used to watch a lot of music covers of the soundtracks of those games. There was a youtuber that played really awesome improvised jazz versions from those old games on a piano, he had thousands of views per video (not viral numbers by any means, but quite decent for the time) one day, his channel disappeared completely. To this day, some of the other youtubers that used to upload the same type of music at that time are still there (basically dead channels at this point, but with some activity from time to time), but his channel is completely gone. Unfortunately my health has been declining rapidly with the years, especially my memory, I don't remember the channel's name and how his music sounded, I really regret not having saved some of his videos.
You better not disappear wavy, you make the best YT content around.
@DL-pk1fwhe doesn’t
bro not the time
I always found it crazy how so many believed Marina was kidnapped. I always thought it was something like mental illness.
Internet: “did somebody kidnap you?”
Marina: “No, I’m fine.”
Internet: “Oh, so you faked being kidnapped? You suck”
The Marina Joyce debacle has always pissed me off frankly, people have a right to privacy no matter how much of their lives they present online. Statements are allowed to be vague, and people are allowed to get mad when their privacy is invaded.
I dunno man, she really did act weird. Disappears for years then comes out with the whole MS story. It seemed like a load of bs and made up on the spot to no doubt gain sympathy etc.
I agree. To me, if I tried to tell others the truth and it kept getting twisted by others, I'm sure my mental health would probably be a disaster. The fact that Keemstar and others kept speculating vocally to the point of harassment was kinda disgusting.
@@marcbrisbane6800 I doubt it. She said so many times that she was ok, and even the cops said so and people would still pile up on her. If she wanted sympathy she would've taken advantage of her whole situation but never did
Keemstar calling other people hypocrites is so deliciously ironic
A lot of people go missing in caves, its easy to slip and fall down a small hole or slip into a submerged passage and get pulled down by the pressure.
I feel so bad for the lady with the mental health problems. My uncle had crazy issues and delusions as well and he died at 50 years old last year. The thing is when these people have underlying unaddressed mental issues they tend to forget to take their medication that they are prescribed leading them into dangerous situations and irrational thinking. Neither her nor my uncle should have lived alone. Just sad. My uncle also got progressively worse as he got older and was also once married but as his mental health degraded so did his relationship with his ex wife.
Hard for me to feel bad for people like that
@@disciple2742 I’m sorry that you lack empathy
@@disciple2742 you do realize lacking empathy means you’re also “like that” right?
Feel so bad for Taleka. Wish she’d gotten the right treatment. Seemed like a really intelligent person.
Same. It sounds like she may have been schizophrenic. I had a neighbor who was schizophrenic and off her meds. It's wild what that disorder does to people. I feel for anyone who has to live with it.
It makes me so sad that her family tried to help her. That’s usually not a step you hear people take in these types of stories, which always makes it more heartbreaking.
@@theclownsystem9429 tbh I feel bad for you guys a neighbors. What on earth did ur schizophrenic neighbor do!?
I don’t understand how she could be that bad online and stalking a major gospel singer, yet none of her coworkers could see she was delusional and psychotic?
@@theclownsystem9429 yeah does sound like schizophrenia :( my great aunts husband had it, after she died in their apartment he believed she was still alive and just resting, not letting anyone in bc it would disturb her sleep, and tried to feed and bathe her despite being dead, and thought she was speaking to him sometimes. Eventually authorities came to Intervene and he was sent to a mental hospital. It’s horrible what the mental disorder does to people
Thanks for doing this one. They’re loved and missed everyday. The frailty of certainty about all you know only becomes apparent once it’s too late and remains constant forever.
Taleka Patrick's case really hit home for me since I went through something similar with my ex-husband. I was with him for ~14 years and in that last year I saw him change nearly completely. His life-long-held beliefs, temperament, and personality did a 180° shift to its opposite. It's a horrible thing to have to watch, try to help, and them not want help. A day doesn't go by that I don't think of him. It's been 3-4 years and I don't think I'll ever fully heal from it.
I'm sorry for your loss
well you wont...you cant heal from something like that. YOu never will you can just adapt and change to the new self that has been formed. Imagine it like a third of your body being taken...(only its not like that would cause the same biological damage)
So sorry…illnesses that change personalities as they progress are just heartbreaking. And just from my own losses (not quite the same), it doesn’t exactly heal, but the pain decreases with time and even though didn’t think it would happen, find that one day you can talk about without huge emotion and find plenty of joy in current life.
It's not that we don't want help, it's that we don't see that anything is wrong. We don't see the changes you see.
After so many years I still find Kenny Veachs story still so fascinating. To The disappearance, to the M cave, to the feeling he got, or how the cave has still not been found. It’s just so strange
Not sure if she ever qualified as truly "missing," but Paranormalana disappearing from UA-cam abruptly always saddened/worried me. Her channel was growing fast with her extremely interesting content and great personality. It was one of my favorite channels at the time. Not only did she vanish, her channel literally vanished almost overnight, at the peak of her popularity. I believe it's more or less been confirmed that she had some sort of scary stalking incident spawned by a follower and decided to stop using social media and go back to a private life, but she's never spoken about any of it publicly and I don't think any known pictures of her post-UA-cam days exist.
The saddest thing about the first two stories to me is we may never get an answer on what happened to them. I hope for their families and other loved ones they are found so they can have answers but that's all we can do until someone finds them, hope.
Kenny's case is so suspicious. All these posts about so-called M cave which is somehow the only one he fears, i thought it could end as some hoax. But the man is gone now, so his "vibrations" and fear in that cave were real? Why did he take his life before finding this cave again if he was so obsessed with it? Because of it i am not so sure about this version.
As for the second guy, there are a lot of comments stating he was killed by a cougar. Probably, but since there were no blood, no traces, only pants without wallet, this version might not be 100% true. If it is so obvious to some armchair detectives, why do officials not state this as the main probability?
Kenny’s story really saddens me… finding his father’s body must have really left a scar on him that he just couldn’t let heal. And googling “help me”… that’s just chilling
he might've been googling, "help meme" for a chuckle but hit enter too fast. we don't know!
@@roseoverdose6451just not funny.
@@roseoverdose6451 you're sick
@Maps rights are valid and clearly he couldn't
Googling help me is such a common thing for me ngl 😂
Wavy, you're such a good dude. You always treat people and their stories with such respect. Love your content.
I feel that Kenny loved the desert more than anything else and just wanted to disappear into it so he could be a part of it forever. I’m guessing he hiked until he found a cave far away from even the area he filmed in the M Cave videos. In fact, his experience with the M Cave was probably just a fantastical story he concocted to give his disappearance a more mysterious send off. A sort of legacy if you will. When he got to his final destination, he crawled deep inside said cave and probably used his pistol to…well…you know. He wanted to forever rest in the place he loved most.
Doubt it. He probably really found a weird cave and disappeared. There are so many unexplained things on this earth. Most become military bases (gee, wonder why) so I could see there being a weird energetic field in some cave. It probably drove him mad obsessing over it.
By jove, you might be right! This is the most plausible theory yet. It ties up many loose ends and answers many of the mysterious questions. Damn it, maybe I've been reading too much Agatha Christie but to explain myself as to why I like this answer so much I need the order and the method of Poirot. Here we go! Firstly: by the theory that the 'M' cave was totally fabricated, we cleanly answer all these questions in one fell swoop:
•Why has a cave matching his specs not been found?
•How could such a unscientific "vibrational" cave exist?
•If such a fantastical cave did exist on the outskirts of a top secret military base, why doesn't the US just extend their acreage a little bit?
Then we come to the question of why fabricate it? I personally find your answer a tad bit too dramatic. But I'll get back to that. Now why would he kill himself? That's been answered satisfactorily. As it runs in my family on both sides, I'm well aware of how damn genetic depression is. If his father had it to the severity of suicide, there's a good chance he had it. And discovering his fathers corpse is not something I imagine he could ever mentally escape from. So in the end, his poor soul has been tormented to the point where his only joys no longer can bear the weight of his cross. Here's where I was stuck: why make your loved one's worry so much about your disappearance? Even if you decided to leave this place in the place you loved most, surely you would let the one who you loved so much know? But I was thinking like myself! For the few months I was in college, it became too much and I started to feel like a total failure and for the first time in my life seriously contemplate suicide before dropping out. I won't go into details, but suffice to say on the highly unlikely chance I did go through, everyone would have been notified. So that's where I was stuck. Then I realized the obvious! If part of the reason you did it was because you found your father's corpse, you would do everything in your power to make sure no one you loved found yours. And where is better than a place you've scouted out extensively? A cave in the middle of nowhere? But people might look for him, and he doesn't want to be found. So we come back to our 'M' cave. I think he found his spot, created the story of the 'M' cave, shot some unassuming fruitless footage searching for this cave on the opposite side of the range from his chosen location. Not as a legacy, as a red herring. This solution answers why on earth a man who doesn't want to be ever found would desire such an enduring search in the area of his death, or why a man who was tormented by his father's legacy would want a legacy of his own. Everything adds up. You sir are a genius and I've wasted far too much time explaining myself. I've got to go, now. Good day, sir!
why did he google sad stuff and leave his stuff and home then if it really was just exploring
M for mystery
the amount of people who go missing every year and are never found is terrifying
I recommend missing 411 to hear about a lot of missing people that disappeared in national parks
Teleka was right to think a diagnosis would destroy her career. Doctors and other healthcare professionals who even just get help for depression or burn out related symptoms are branded as unstable and have their licenses threatened or hospitals view them as a liability and fire them.
edit: wanted to add here, if she (and other doctors) were allowed to seek treatment, it's very likely that a normal healthy life and career could be had. the biases and stigma held for mental health issues and psychological disabilities is astounding. It's hard enough to work these jobs, doing it while struggling is the danger, not the well cared for alternative.
I think that's justified though, if you have severe mental health issues you should not be in the medical industry where patients are in your care
@@masrr3678 it's not, it leads to mentally ill doctors. Getting help for it should be seen as a good thing, instead of the system we have now were mentally ill doctors hide it and still treat patients. That's the way the real world works, especially in countries with bad unemployment support.
@@coloradohikertrash9958 maybe it shouldn’t be an all or nothing thing. Depends on how well they’re responding to treatment. I don’t see the harm if they have a good track record of successful care. Any doctor, mentally ill or not, is prone to human error and lapses in judgment.
@@shortking-vp9vv Yes but doctors with extreme mental health issues, such as schizophrenia, could be prone to more errors and lapses in judgement.
Nah she was just crazy.
Kenny Veach has a very understandable story and it is in fact likely he ended it himself somewhere out in the vast desert where he enjoyed spending most..if not all his time. I’m curious as to what the “M” could’ve signified for him though. I wasn’t able to find the initials of his parents names to see if it was somehow related to his father, but who knows. I hope he is at peace.
M for mental?
@@Daansstuff-altdamn never thought of that
Or maybe M for massacre or murder since his father killed himself
@@Daansstuff-alt
M for EM
EM is ME backward.
Me is Men without its N.
The men cave hahaha
Misery
Kenny got such a gorgeous shot of that big horned sheep, my thoughts go out to everyone effected by these disappearances
That was a great shot. It could be made into a flag.
I liked that goat
@@sakiamira not goat it's a sheep
i respect the fact that you said that your thoughts go out to those people, and that you didn't make the claim that you pray for them which does absolutely nothing
@@o0o-jd-o0o95 I have no respect for you. Your respect for others does and means absolutely nothing.
The story surrounding Taleka Patrick is pretty tragic if you think about it.
Seeing this woman posting videos of herself as her mental health deteriorates is so sad to look at, considering how it was all on an obscure channel that not many people would bat an eye at.
Had this been on a more well-known channel, then it's likely that Taleka would've gotten the help she needed before it was too late.
It's pretty obvious that she was succumbing to schizophrenia, which usually doesn't manifest until the afflicted is in their 20s. It's so tragic; I can't imagine how scary it must be to live with untreated schizophrenia.
Ive seen well known UA-camrs... Well do the job themselves... And nobody was able to help them
eh
Eh
No, I've seen cases of well-known channels where the UA-camr is schizophrenic. It still doesn't go well. Look at Etika's situation, he committed suicide because of it.
I listen to these stories while I’m out doing yard work or construction around the house and you already know I don’t skip the ads! $$ big ups from Mt Juliet
There’s actually a horror movie loosely based off this called Horror in the High Desert. I didn’t even realize until I watched this and heard of Kenny. Was kind of an eerie moment. The movie is great btw if anyone is interest.
If Kenny ended his own life, I hope that he found peace.
Sam O'Nella disappeared for more than two years and then just as mysteriously turned up again without explanation. Now it's been months since we've heard from him. It's truly bigger than all of us.
I got so excited when i got a notification from his channel 🎉
@@KekoJonesss Totally. Me, too. Now he's gone again, but at least we know he's not dead.
bro he literally said he’d be back in 2025
Notice how none of his friends or family are worried about him?
I heard he is just studying really important stuff in college or something.
Keemstar is not a source. Please do not use him as one. He has an earned reputation for lying about people on his show for views. Nothing he claims about anyone can be trusted. Marina is just one of his many victims. He has even been banned from UA-cam and the only reason hes still around is because of a loophole in youtubes rules.
Raycons are the worst earbuds I've ever owned. They start freaking out after a couple hours and to get them to stop us an effing chore. Hold down the buttons for as long as it takes for them to turn off. It's supposed to be 10 seconds but it's taken 30 before. Put them in the case. Plug the case in. Forget them on whatever device I was using. Then open the case and pair them again. This starts as soon as 90% battery. It's unreal. 102 days after I got them the right earbud just decided it didn't want to work anymore for no apparent reason. DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY. My current earbuds are cheapies from Walmart and they're WAY better.
I can imagine bro..
Have you bought them because youtube sponsors or how/why did you decide to get them?
The Kenny case always stood out to me.. Never knew the part with his father. It makes me think that Kenny actually did end things himself and made sure nobody would ever find him as he did with his father.
Exactly
Depression is tough..you can be in a room full of people who love you and you love but you still feel alone..it sucks
I know some UA-camrs who have viewers that get worried if their schedule deviates a bit with no warning. The community that they fostered is so positive and they just seem like such a decent person through the little window the creator gives into their lives is a powerful one. Then if you top it off with a creator, possibly having dealt with their mental health, it can worry people.
Parasocial things are really interesting.
It makes me think of the people that I was friends with online years ago. Some of them just dropped off the face of the Earth and we would never really know what happened to them.
Yes. Jasper LeStrange has not posted in months and I find I am bit worried.
The way that The M Cave Mystery played out is fascinating to me. Kind of scary that Kenny disappeared just for trying to find and explore it. Got to wonder what was in that cave to cause his disappearance
Something that tracked his scent then had lunch :(
@@A.Tips.306 how many movies do you watch 💀 there are basically no animals that find it worth it to actively hunt humans let alone animals in the desert that are already expelling all their energy to just stay alive
The M-cave effect - is the mystification. Just try to research a bit. This effect was taken from science fiction book from seventies... And disappearance cause - is the one that his girlfriend discribed.
@@DeagleGamesTV we don't know that he took his own life and the original comment is operating under that assumption so the reply that insinuates an animal tracked him does imply that it hunted him. Did you fail 8th grade reading comprehension or what?
@@slowazzd2165 NOM NOM NOMMY TIME :p
43:30 "I claimed she is on drugs and she got mad, that's so weird of her!" Ahh keemstar...I'm still waiting for the day you dissapear and we will never have to suffer your existence anymore
If Keemstar disappeared not a single person would go looking or asking questions. He might be the only person that the internet would just entirely let go of.
Wavy didn’t mention this, and I didn’t see it in the comments, so I’d like to point out something really eerie. I think Teleka drowned because she was trying to swim to the bottom of the lake. Her tweets about “going underground” make me think this. Obviously she was having a mental health episode but it’s still unsettling as hell; to think she tried to go “underground”, likely some imaginary paradise, by swimming to the bottom of a lake, and drowning in the process. I don’t see how else she could have drowned, unless of course she simply couldn’t swim. But I find it hard to believe a person of her intellect wouldn’t know how to keep themselves afloat.
I'm coming for you in three nights. We're going underground. Splish splash.
-Taleka
I do somewhat disagree though respect this theory.
For starters, she was very symptomatic, I wouldn't be surprised if she was experiencing heavy delusions and hallucinations. Perhaps she was trying to escape through the dark winter night, and ended up in the lake. Not being able to see and having a spontaneous tactile sensory of being in cold water, mixed with the emotional distress from her mental state, might've caused a shock to her system and caused her to go into cardiac arrest.
That said, I somewhat wish your theory to be true since it's less traumatic.
The ability to swim has nothing to do with intelligence.
I think a lot of people are missing the part where it was the middle of winter in Michigan. The likeliest explanation for how she wound up in the lake is that she walked across it, because it was iced over and so she didn't know there was even a lake there, and fell through the ice. When you fall suddenly into freezing water your whole body goes into hypothermic shock, your limbs become paralyzed, you automatically gasp, and you drown within seconds - whether or not you know how to swim. Was she wandering around in the woods in the middle of winter due to a psychotic episode? Yeah, probably. But "fell through the ice" still makes more sense than "trying to swim to the underground". If she wanted to get underground, she would have been digging.
@@titaniumvulpes Agreed. But she wasn't thinking "right" in the first place.
hey I love all your videos bro but this was an especially great one!! thank you!
Well with the Salton thing - I used to be a tweaker (thankfully clean for many years now) and I remember dumpster diving for electronics.. I'm not sure why that's so fascinating when you're on speed. But yeah, I never scrapped or stole anything - I always got electronic junk out of dumpsters and either tried to fix it (and trade it for drugs), make something different out of it or desolder the components for other projects. I know it seems like a silly tweaker thing but a lot of people throw out really good stuff - like they'll upgrade from a 40" to 50" TV and just throw the old one out or they'll buy a new $500 vacuum and throw their older $300 one out - I remember finding two almost new laser printers once. I can't count the number of times I've seen people throw things out thinking they're beyond repair - like a nice flat screen TV with buzzing speakers that just needed a new capacitor or a gaming PC that just needed a new power supply - don't even get me started on the GameStop dumpster.. That stuff is mesmerizing while using meth or crack. But anyway, drugs are bad mkay. For real kids - don't do drugs - it's not cool and you'll regret it eventually. Opioids are even worse than speed - that withdrawal was the worst thing I've ever experienced.
same here! It's caused my computer obsession i still have even getting off the shit. But i will say living in Boston was a great place for this as i would go to M.I.T. get laptops and all kinds of experimental and DIY electronics from there dumpster (esp. when the summer would start and the students would throw out all there stuff and go back home i would go late at night) but my love of all things computer/cybersecurity related is the only benefit i ever got from it. Everything else just seemed like a benefit in my psychotic daze. Thank God that shits over. Can't say i miss much of being homeless
This is so fucking weird. Thought I was the only one.
@@vsmith7117 Yeah, with the couple of small local colleges I've hit up around here, at the ends of semesters, it's like they throw everything in their dorms out - mini fridges for days, microwaves, lamps, TVs, tables/furniture, printers, laptops and on and on.. I can't freaking imagine MIT lol... But yeah, seeing their electronics experiments makes me want to go into that. I remember when I got my IT degree one of the classrooms I was in pretty often was right across the hall from where they were doing like DC electronic projects and stuff - like soldering resistors and diodes, etc. - but seeing all of that made me wonder if I was in the right field.. I know now that I should have switched over lol..
@@BadMarriageKawagoe It's weird how similar people act on speed... I mean, down to extremely precise details. Not just that they like to just fiddle around blah blah - specifically working with electronics, dumpster diving, wearing headlamps all the time, etc.
@@Blalack77 If I still did speed you'd have me so paranoid right now lmao. I even have a goddamn headlamp on my desk atm
The recent content has definitely been much better. I love watching this channel grow and evolve. Thanks for all of your hard work.
Did an AI write this comment? Why say, "thanks"?
@@edwarddorey4480 AI? It’s called feedback and appreciation of someone’s hard work. The internet is a strange place.
I hate that UA-cam is so sensored now days that you can't openly talk about suicide, it's a fact of life and something that shouldn't have to be sensored.
Hey man, just found your channel. Really enjoying it. Thanks for the thoughtful content.
It's kinda (morbidly) interesting how many disappearances happen in the Mojave Desert. I've lived here my entire life and I constantly hear about someone going missing.
Also, Nic was definitely killed by a mountain lion.
But if nic was killed by a mountain lion wouldn’t there be blood found?
The M cave story is quite terrifying. Not because of the disappearance, but because of the cave. There have been reports from hikers at Mt. Shasta of similar caves causing extreme and sudden feelings of dread and being watched. In some instances people have reported seeing glowing eyes and elongated, non-human beings watching them or stalking them after getting close to the cave. In one instance, a hiker encountered a similar being inside the cave and blacked out, waking up quite a distance from the cave many hours later. The general theory is that these caves are inhabited by some sort of ET that possess telepathic abilities and use the overwhelming dread to keep people from entering the caves. Both Mt. Shasta and McKinley Air Force base are known for anomalous activity, which makes the story even more interesting.
Fun fact: the salton sea was actually made by a mining accident that diverted the colorado river. It flowed into a basin which is where you would find salt plains and with no more water flowing into it the water evaporated and over time became more and more salty. The fish they added into the sea are all dead now and their crushed up bones make up the beaches.
It reminds me of the disappearance of 4everlalaloopsy. I’m case if you didn’t who she was, she was a toy channel UA-camr who is well known for her toy reviews and Lalaloopsy videos back in the 2010s. As a kid, I always loved her content; mostly due to my hyper fixation to Lalaloopsy as it was my childhood. But recently she hasn’t been active on her UA-cam channel, her last upload being on 2016 I think. I remember checking her Twitter to see her updates and it wasn’t updated at all. I felt worried for this person, wondering where she was all these years ago.
Hopefully they just quit UA-cam
i used 2 watch them 2!!
@@undeadhaiena2926 Same here, I just hope that she’s safe given her inactivity online
seems like she just quit youtube either because its not profit or she just growing up
@@ratterkin Could be that
22:28 dude it’s a ghost town nobody owns that house anymore nobody’s gonna charge a few homeless dudes for taking some wire
People forget that humans are animals, too. Instinct isn't some sort of myth. When you sense danger that's crippling and unfamiliar, you sense death or extreme harm
Always makes a day a little better when wavy drops a video
Great stuff
The first story I think was the most interesting. A real and true mystery that I find both intriguing and sad.
But honestly I guess if I was feeling that way and had that experience I probably would disappear completely myself. The idea of going to the trouble to completely make sure there is no trace of you left is truly impressive. It's hard to completely vanish but people who do it it's truly both scary and impressive.
Your videos are so great my man, the topics, the research and delivery.
Hey man randomly found this video and loved it keep it up
Taleka's case, while could probably be attributed to schizophrenia and paranoia, also sounds like her obsession could be compared with a case of erotomania. It's really sad how there was a clear untreated mental health issue that possibly lead to her dissapearance and death.
Wavy, i love your videos. Just wanted to let you know. Ive been silently watching your videos for 3 or 4 years now. Theyre facinating and never cease to be of really good quality, editing and reasarch wise.