To be honest, these parts should never have been made from plastic in my opinion. Even the brand new one in the video is already starting to show signs of wear and I've only used it for demonstration in this video. Not too sure about selling but happy to document my discoveries for others.
You should just make it out of sheet metal or 5mm bar stock. Someone on here with a waterjet or laser could make it pretty. But you could just fit a small tab on the worn out ones replacing contact edge of the jig. Maybe I will make you one if I have everything on hand.
@@rhinejuice Yes, was thinking the same thing but that pin on the back has me a bit stumped. I can make the shape and the top but how would I get that pin to stick out at exactly the right spot?
Great video thanks for sharing, it will be interesting to see how it developes. One in Titanium would be brilliant - Can I have one please? Have you discussed the issue with Tormek?
Glad you enjoyed it. I've sent them this video, they're getting back to me next week. I also would be interested to see how much a titanium one would cost. I think they print them out with metal printing which is fascinating. Apparently they use powdered metal, super heat it then use a laser to shape it. Not sure how they'd get that little pin underneath though. With plastic I can sort of understand how they'd do it but not the metal version. I will keep everyone updated. Keep an eye out on this channel.
Yes, I saw the movie. I like the speed and simplicity of this one.It does everything I need and is widely adaptable to every type of blade. It's fast and simple. The new one looks a bit too fiddly for my liking. Might get one just to be sure but as they were (painstakingly) demonstrating it I found myself shaking my head. Then again, I'm old and weird which is never a good combo. 🙂
Not everything new is good. For example, I can't use the new knife jig because of that funky handle. I'm used to tucking my thumb into that cup on the back. It's better at centering knives but I've never found that to be a real world problem to be honest. I'm looking at snapping up any last remaining old jigs I see. I'm too old to change with the modern times sometimes.
@@iSharpen The WM200 is not going anywhere. It's still the go-to product for single beveled tools like chisels and plane blades. Wolfknives gives a good demo visually. I don't know German so I can't understand a word. It looks like you could almost use it one handed.
@@paulsherry8272 I kind of love all the little tools and jigs that got me started and have lead to my sharpening career (dare I say) "success". They're like my friends. The KS is interesting but nothing could be the instant speed of the WM200. These days I leave it on 13-14 and work the knives off the gap. If you know, you know. Have you tried auto translate for the german?
You should consider the new KS-123 jig... the AngleMaster doesn't account for blade taper from spine to edge, which can result in an error that could be greater than what you're seeing with your worn-down part. 😉
Yeah I saw it when it first came out. Not convinced it's necessary for me yet. I like that I can set the angle in 3 seconds then get on with the job. As for the error, I've measured the worn out part against the new one and the more worn out it gets the higher the eventual angle by about 1-2 degrees and you know? I'm think "who cares?" Angles aren't essentially set in stone anyway. They were determined by some random human and treated as the word of god ever since. I say pfffft! As long as they're around or preferably a bit less than 15 per side they'll do the job. This obsession with exact angles makes no difference in real life use which is what I deal in day in and day out. I can deliver a knife with a measured angle of anywhere between 13 and 18 per side and I'd put money on no one being able to tell the difference. The only time it makes a difference is on really thick knives when the 13 creates a large bevel but I simply dial it back a bit so it "looks right". Thoughts?
@@cbwx34 Nah, the bevels are 1-3 degrees, half of that translated down to a tiny 1mm bevel right on the edge is almost insignificant. I think people are making way too much of a big deal about micro angles. It makes almost no difference. In fact the only difference might be on the bleeding edge of BESS testing but even then the deburring has more of an effect on sharpness than a poofteenth of a degree of angle on a bevel that's often less than 1mm. In my opinion, the only thing that matters is; does a knife cut well in it's intended purpose? And there's a great deal of flexibility when it comes to that as almost any knife at almost any angle if ground and deburred properly will do more than a good enough job for almost all intended purposes. After having ground thousands of knives, I'm convinced. I've been thinking of this a lot lately.
@@iSharpen The taper on some knives can be 5 deg. or greater per side... like I said, bigger than you're saying. Just pointing out that it was bigger than your "concern" for the error in your damaged AngleMaster. You're right, exact angles don't matter.
@@cbwx34 Very few kitchen knives (which is what I sharpen 98% of the time) are that large. I'm not that concerned. The reason is that I've sharpened thick cleavers at 50 degrees and thin Jap knives at 24 degrees and they all slice cigarette paper and glide through all foods. Angles are probably more of a concern with longevity and fragility than sharpness and I'm in the business of sharpness...as long as people stay away from trying to pry frozen foods apart with $1,000 super thin jap knives like they were crow bars I think I'm good at any small-ish angle for almost any knife. In fact I'd be able to deliver sharp knives with correct looking angles even without an angle master...just as all the belt sanding guys do. They don;t even measure angles. They just guess and slap it on a fast moving belt sander without a single care or concern about angle. The same goes for stone sharpeners. They never measure. And yet we all produce hyper sharp knives. I think that's interesting and my conclusion is that exact angles make almost no difference to "guess and close enough".
Fantastic video! Keep us informed how it goes. Would love to see the new part made in metal. I reckon it'd be a sellable item as well.
To be honest, these parts should never have been made from plastic in my opinion. Even the brand new one in the video is already starting to show signs of wear and I've only used it for demonstration in this video. Not too sure about selling but happy to document my discoveries for others.
Thanks so much for this video. I have a buddy with a 3D printer. He's going to print me a few ....thanks again
Let us know how it turns out. That little pin on the back is going to be a bugger to get right. It's pretty crucial.
@iSharpen that's good info on the pin. I will tell him to print 1 and I'll try it. Not much use having 3 with a wrongly located pin
Titanium! That will be worth it.
Great video as well baz.
I love a permanent solution too. But any metal should be fine. Stainless works too.
You should just make it out of sheet metal or 5mm bar stock. Someone on here with a waterjet or laser could make it pretty. But you could just fit a small tab on the worn out ones replacing contact edge of the jig. Maybe I will make you one if I have everything on hand.
I was tossing up just making one by hand but I think the dimensions have to be exact. Still might. Is that a double dare? 😂
@@iSharpen make a template while it is still in good shape
@@rhinejuice Yes, was thinking the same thing but that pin on the back has me a bit stumped. I can make the shape and the top but how would I get that pin to stick out at exactly the right spot?
Great video thanks for sharing, it will be interesting to see how it developes. One in Titanium would be brilliant - Can I have one please? Have you discussed the issue with Tormek?
Glad you enjoyed it. I've sent them this video, they're getting back to me next week. I also would be interested to see how much a titanium one would cost.
I think they print them out with metal printing which is fascinating. Apparently they use powdered metal, super heat it then use a laser to shape it. Not sure how they'd get that little pin underneath though. With plastic I can sort of understand how they'd do it but not the metal version.
I will keep everyone updated. Keep an eye out on this channel.
Baz, Tormek has just released a new knife angle setter. The KS-123. I have ordered one. Works on all models and stones. looks good
Yes, I saw the movie. I like the speed and simplicity of this one.It does everything I need and is widely adaptable to every type of blade. It's fast and simple. The new one looks a bit too fiddly for my liking. Might get one just to be sure but as they were (painstakingly) demonstrating it I found myself shaking my head. Then again, I'm old and weird which is never a good combo. 🙂
Not everything new is good. For example, I can't use the new knife jig because of that funky handle. I'm used to tucking my thumb into that cup on the back. It's better at centering knives but I've never found that to be a real world problem to be honest. I'm looking at snapping up any last remaining old jigs I see. I'm too old to change with the modern times sometimes.
@@iSharpen The WM200 is not going anywhere. It's still the go-to product for single beveled tools like chisels and plane blades. Wolfknives gives a good demo visually. I don't know German so I can't understand a word. It looks like you could almost use it one handed.
@@paulsherry8272 I kind of love all the little tools and jigs that got me started and have lead to my sharpening career (dare I say) "success". They're like my friends. The KS is interesting but nothing could be the instant speed of the WM200. These days I leave it on 13-14 and work the knives off the gap. If you know, you know.
Have you tried auto translate for the german?
@@iSharpen Was not available for that video. I could try an AI app but I got what I needed visually
You should consider the new KS-123 jig... the AngleMaster doesn't account for blade taper from spine to edge, which can result in an error that could be greater than what you're seeing with your worn-down part. 😉
Yeah I saw it when it first came out. Not convinced it's necessary for me yet. I like that I can set the angle in 3 seconds then get on with the job. As for the error, I've measured the worn out part against the new one and the more worn out it gets the higher the eventual angle by about 1-2 degrees and you know? I'm think "who cares?" Angles aren't essentially set in stone anyway. They were determined by some random human and treated as the word of god ever since. I say pfffft!
As long as they're around or preferably a bit less than 15 per side they'll do the job. This obsession with exact angles makes no difference in real life use which is what I deal in day in and day out. I can deliver a knife with a measured angle of anywhere between 13 and 18 per side and I'd put money on no one being able to tell the difference. The only time it makes a difference is on really thick knives when the 13 creates a large bevel but I simply dial it back a bit so it "looks right".
Thoughts?
@@iSharpen I think the difference setting the AngleMaster on a tapered bevel can be greater than you think.
@@cbwx34 Nah, the bevels are 1-3 degrees, half of that translated down to a tiny 1mm bevel right on the edge is almost insignificant. I think people are making way too much of a big deal about micro angles. It makes almost no difference. In fact the only difference might be on the bleeding edge of BESS testing but even then the deburring has more of an effect on sharpness than a poofteenth of a degree of angle on a bevel that's often less than 1mm.
In my opinion, the only thing that matters is; does a knife cut well in it's intended purpose? And there's a great deal of flexibility when it comes to that as almost any knife at almost any angle if ground and deburred properly will do more than a good enough job for almost all intended purposes. After having ground thousands of knives, I'm convinced. I've been thinking of this a lot lately.
@@iSharpen The taper on some knives can be 5 deg. or greater per side... like I said, bigger than you're saying. Just pointing out that it was bigger than your "concern" for the error in your damaged AngleMaster. You're right, exact angles don't matter.
@@cbwx34 Very few kitchen knives (which is what I sharpen 98% of the time) are that large. I'm not that concerned. The reason is that I've sharpened thick cleavers at 50 degrees and thin Jap knives at 24 degrees and they all slice cigarette paper and glide through all foods.
Angles are probably more of a concern with longevity and fragility than sharpness and I'm in the business of sharpness...as long as people stay away from trying to pry frozen foods apart with $1,000 super thin jap knives like they were crow bars I think I'm good at any small-ish angle for almost any knife.
In fact I'd be able to deliver sharp knives with correct looking angles even without an angle master...just as all the belt sanding guys do. They don;t even measure angles. They just guess and slap it on a fast moving belt sander without a single care or concern about angle. The same goes for stone sharpeners. They never measure. And yet we all produce hyper sharp knives.
I think that's interesting and my conclusion is that exact angles make almost no difference to "guess and close enough".