LIVE CONVO: Karen Read's Mistrial with 13th Juror Podcast Host, Brandi Churchwell
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Ashley Flowers of @CrimeJunkie & @brandichurchwell talk about the Karen Read case, the mistrial, Michael Proctor, and what's happening next!
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the fact is , they did NOT prove this beyond a reasonable doubt - end of case - NOT GUILTY!
I feel guilty totally
@@maryw1129 then you are a science denier. Sorry but the ARCCA testimony thoroughly disproved the ridiculous CW Troopah Pah fantasy.
@@maryw1129 lol feel? Cars don't create dog bite wounds!
@maryw1129 I respect your opinion, with that said if your a juror you can honestly sit here and tell me you would say GUILTY? I must ask about reasonable doubt and what gives you your feelings of guilt? Thank you
Yep, reasonable was plentiful
Proctor belongs in prison!!!
They ALL belong in prison … they perjured themselves. Period!
For what? Sending nasty texts to friends?
Ridiculous. Where's your tin foil hat
*Yes he, along with the alberts, maccabes and their supporters AreVileBastards
Preda(octo)r
The dog bites are also very clear.
No dog DNA That theory was make-believe everyone is buying it.I don't get it
😂😂😂😂those are scratches from that narcissist cold B aptly named Karen
@patriciaspiers1574 no dog you are uninformed
@@maryw1129you brainwashed ?
@@PK-gw2rzlook up dog bites or police officers that work with k9
The CW is corrupt to the bone!!!!
With even the medical examiner even saying his injuries weren't consistent with being hit at 24mph, the entire reason Lally put the ME up last was he needed at least one juror to have decided that Read was definitely guilty BEFORE hearing the me and disregarding that testimony.
Exactly. And maybe it’s not true but it seemed to me that the M.E. looked more comfortable when on cross saying that his injuries could have been due to everything the Defense suggested. I firmly believe that Procter et al. pressured her. She was brave but I do wish she’d been even braver…
@@AleisterCrowleyMagus I wish numpties would stick to the Cartoons.
Polycarbonate tail lights do not shatter.
Pigskin taillights leave Pig DNA on people though, ....kidding
A glass will crack a taillight also they become brittle in the cold. Do your research.
@@rhondajones-zs7nwcrack not shattered is the key word
I was frustrated that wasn’t brought up! They kept just calling it plastic! They even make bulletproof shields out of polycarbonate plastic!
Only at very high speed impact, certainly not at 25 mph. The defence experts dealt with this question.
And no way did officer O’Keefe get hit by a car . The crack became a problem when that car got into proctors hands. The Tail light lens got completely smashed off .
Proctor is just the tip of the iceberg...
Let's hope so.
He did not impede the investigation.He just added inappropriate text.There's a big difference
@@maryw1129 "He did not impede the investigation"======= Proctor did NOT DO an investigation. He set up the GOSSIP by sending all the townies nasty stuff blaming Karen instead of investigating. Never even went into the Albert house to investigate and he WAS an investigator!
He didn’t investigate it properly period
He was in charge and they used solo cups , no pics of tail light, inverted video, etc.
It is just absolutely insane that jury didn't acquit. Shameful.
Your channel has never popped in my feed and I watch so much similar content... I'm glad you were in the random feed today 🎉🎉🎉 New Subscriber
Same!!🎉
If he loses his job or is reprimanded in any way, it will be gold for the defense if they do go forward with a retrial. Unfortunately, if Bev is still on the bench, she'll be the judge again.
If Read jad not gone looking for him that morning, the Canton PD would have put the snow plow driver up as the sacrificial lamb.
That is what another UA-cam person had said that does investigation stuff. Makes sense Right?!
They would’ve still pinned Karen. They knew what they were doing. Jen tried to get Karen to leave the bar with her that night while John & her hubby Matt was still inside. She was trying to separate them that night so the guys could do what they wanted to John without Karen as a witness.
Word is that: Brian A punched him in the nose and John fell back and smacked his head and Chloe attacked him to protect her owner - either they threw him in the shower (thus wet clothing) and then John didn’t wake up - threw up after having a convulsion - threw John at the edge of the property with the hopes that they could say the plow hit him (as a plow had recently hit someone else in the area recently) - So many podcasters have done great on this case!! I think the towns people realized how bad the police in the area are - you need to look into Sandra Birchmore
And where did that word come from? There are so many stories out there. I still believe Karen is not guilty of anything. But the Alberts and McCabes did something. Higgins as well! If this was an accident they should have called and admitted it to begin with. They all make themselves look really stupid and liars!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Dee-ny6uo what are you laughing at?
@@coffeecake1803 🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵
If that's the truth, were you there and why didn't someone testify to that? Tell the prosecutor your version and let the legal process work, not gossip. Karen is doing enough of that when she's not cuddled up to Alan Jackson, her defense attorney.
ZERO worries from those of us who support KAREN READ!! More will come out ! Truth will be REVEALED!!
There was no documentation of evidence,no photographs, and no interview with the occupants of the house where the body on the lawn was found.
Investigation 101.
Wouldn't these be the first 3 things done in an investigation?
Canton Police Department got the order to steer clear of 34 Fairview Rd.
Almost like a Mafia boss is calling the shots.
The first responder,that never came out of the house,to ask what is going on with the ambulance and fire trucks,also known as Brian Albert, would qualify as a mob boss.
Nobody likes him,and everyone knows not to go near him and his orders.
He looks like a mean person. I do not believe they were sleeping when the investigation was going on. B...S...
I learned alot from 13th jurror, just found her podcast last night, wow have I learned alot.
They don’t all have to be in on anything….only a select group. The firefighters have been rumored to be corrupt as well so they may have been told what to say. I wouldn’t doubt that even the ppl in the house even knew…they could have kept it under wraps until they all left and then moved his body and came up with a story. The Albert’s, Mccabes and proctors absolutely know what happened to him.
And Higgins…clearly as he headed straight to the canton PD to oversee what was being reported there…
@@lacierowell8623I wish so bad we had Higgins phone - I’m betting that 22 second phone call - was ‘get over here! We have to move him’
I agree only a few know what really happened and Chloe
@lacierowell8623 oneisgerring charged with perjury ohh the ppl in the house now the fbi have been doing an investigation on them for over a year now
@@user-ut3ft4qn5fChloe carried the body from the house to the lawn with her top teeth. Colin and Higgins removed bottom teeth to throw police off. Brian Albert sprayed the snow white to cover the trail of blood from the house to the lawn. All in on it!
Proof beyond "reasonable" doubt only applies when jurors aren't UNREASONABLE! For an effective jury panel, most people lack the requisite emotional intelligence to be fair & the ability to give someone grace in times of trauma or grief. They don't realize that people all respond differently when experiencing trauma, or that "not crying during the trial" isn't an indication of guilt.
The lunatics who hear factual, credible, common sense evidence that the car didn't strike a person - and John's injuries weren't caused by a car - from the best independent experts in the nation used by the DOJ & NHL...and _still_ refuse to accept their testimony as true - are serving on juries & putting innocent people in prison ALL over...ALL the time.
So, _why_ is this our chosen justice system? Any of us could be imprisoned for something we didn't do because of those people. There are countless examples of this happening to people who were later exonerated upon further investigation. We cannot stand for this. I don't want these people on my jury if I'm ever falsely accused of a crime! I don't want my freedom taken because of a few people's blind faith in law enforcement or critique of my facial expressions.
Why do we put such an important decision in the hands of a jury with NO prerequisite IQ, education, life experience, or proven open-mindedness? Why wouldn't potential jurors have to pass a thorough screening interview, mental health assessment, psychological evaluation, or emotional intelligence screening? We all agree that our current system is wrought with human error & bias, yet we've done nothing to correct it in over 200 years!
Without enacting a more rigorous jury screening process, here's how we could improve the process to ensure defendants receive the benefit of the doubt while preventing wrongful convictions:
A "guilty" verdict must be unanimous. A 10-2 or 11-1 "not guilty" verdict is an acquittal. That way, 1 or 2 "unreasonable" people won't cause a mistrial!
I agree about a large majority for not guilty leading to acquittal but not the rest. A jury only gets a case when professionals decide to prosecute. A defendant could opt for a bench trial but obviously no same person would if Aunty Bev is the judge.
Karen lost her house, she sold it. Her job, her vehicle. Hope the Karen fund continues to grow.
She sold her house?
She was already planning to sell her house - she was texting Higgins about it
No conspiracy ..she backed into John and he died in the snow .
Proctor and these DIRTY COPS NEED TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY!!!
Dr. Baden has now stated she was murdered. And she was preg with married cop’s baby when murdered. The Sandra Birchmore case is heartbreaking - many similar MA creeps involved - cops SAd Sandra when she was a minor child, texted out n00dz and vile messages about her, and abused her for years.
Yes, I think Proctor was the lead detective; will not be anymore.
Who was a daddy?
Did that relate to the same PD?? Same officers??
I still consider, that Jen, Brian, and Colin appearing in court for the closing arguments was a form of intimidation of some jurors. Someone on the internet made a point of Colin maybe knowing some juror's kids, having cross pass with them, might have something to do with his presence in the court.
Lucky, the snowplow guy who testified is having threats, intimidation and harassment towards him.
Thank you for telling me that,please spread this as much as you can please !!- this is not right he lost his wife and that really bothers him and you know how they'll attack him-!!!! He is related to a Canton council member with the same last name.❤❤
LEAVE LUCKY ALONE!!
That right there proves these cops are crooks AF or why would ppl be attacking a witness or had zero to gain by coming in and telling truth? Those cops had EVERYTHING to lose!! Ppl who attack ppl like Lucky are disgusting!!
They won’t retry her.. they have no evidence
I think Procters Rehomong deal was made before trial. He won't go away - he knows too much about other Officers and department heads.
I think jury was intimidated in some way
Or paid 😊😊
Duhhhh or they just see that she’s obviously guilty and banging her lawyer and trying to bang Higgins and being a general piece of garbage.
you only need one, or even one Troll
She is INNOCENT!!
Guilty
@@maryw1129I admire your courage to take to social media and celebrate your ignorance, congratulations.
28:04 The problem is that within 16 hours, Proctor had decided how it was going to go and he was going to make the evidence fit. My Red Flags started with the Leafblower and so cups. Then, over the next few hours the Canton is recused but conveniently the case was somehow assigned to a family friend and a cold case partner. What are the chances of is that happening with no shady business, Slim to none. I looked up the roster for MSP in 2022 and there were many MSP Troopers, far more than I expected! Then the fact that Proctor called Sert to assemble however told them to hold off until he got approval. I think it was more like until he could get KE’s interview over and get her vehicle. He had time with the vehicle before (I believe the evidence clearly showed that).
Then the prosecution played the inverted video and that really put me over the edge. That video shouldn’t have been allowed but regardless, it took the Defense pointing out that what the jurors were led to believe until then was absolutely disgraceful and I thoroughly believed mistrial WITH prejudice was warranted for this purposeful act by the Prosecution and witness (as well as a number of other Prosecutorial and Judicial errors) That was clear and convincing evidence the Prosecutor was not coming from a position of truth, but rather he just wanted the win. That included all the testimony from the multiple liars that the Prosecution knew had already lied and would continue to do so. Witnesses in the beginning like B Albert and M McCabe were steadily looking at what was likely texts on their phones or watches. It was blatantly obvious!
Same for me. I went into this case without listening to any pre trial hearings. Slowly but surely so many red flags popped up. I think the cherry on top, was Troooer Paul's reenactment. That to me was ludicrous. Also Trooper Greano (sorry about spelling), trying to prove the cellubrite information was wrong. We know, as avid trial watchers, so many murderers were found guilty because of their phones. Are we to expect appeals on all of these cases 😂. And I think the gaslighting by unlikable Jen, was just the deciding factor for me. After her performance I would also say "I hit him", even though I am in another country. IMO it can only be "flar earthers" who do not believe in science, proving that it was impossible that the car hit him. I still have a private chuckle when I try and picture OJO, being hit on the arm, smashes his head, then does a 360, and then flies 30 feet.😂
I am actually looking forward the the next trial. I want to see the squirming, of all the liars.
@@charmainesanders8734 I mean a Jackson “Pirouette”. I almost spit out my coffee. Of course what happened to IJO was not funny but the state sure treated it like a comedy. My theory about Mani McCabe (manipulative McCabe) is that after her eerily quite call to 911 (the call cleaned up without the background noise is VERY telling)
Jen leans into Karen when EMT’s are there and quietly says: Did you possibly hit him, do you think you could have hit him?”
Karen responds with incredulity REPEATING what Jen said “Did I hit him, could I have hit him” as in “are you freaking serious right now?
Given both of there personalities, I could absolutely see that happening. I would probably say the same thing Karen did. She thought this witch was her friend…far from it
Jen didn’t say any of it in her initial interview and it wasn’t until after the family and friend pow wow that she called the investigator back and gave the first version of what she claimed KR blurted out. Of course that statement changed more times and basically took on a life if it’s own…morphing into something completely different than all other testimony she gave about it. I wish someone caught her off guard and asked her contextual questions about that conversation. Her face doesn’t hide lies well AT ALL!
He's on paid vacation to the tune of $184k/ year.
And they say crime doesn't pay.
Troopers start salary in Massachusetts is 69k he’s been working for a few years, I assure you the little worm wishes he made that. It’s not even close to that tho. You can google it
@@redsassyfox1912he is definitely not qualified to be a lead detective
@@redsassyfox1912it was reported he made $144k plus almost $40k in overtime. Its crazy
It is RIDICULOUS that ALL government employees are paid more than the local taxpayers who pay their salary, then they act like they are somebody better than the rest. They should not be paid more than the average wage. Teachers in my neck of the woods are topping off $100k when worker bees average less than $50k! Another thing on the list that must change!
Have you see Paul’s interview? I couldn’t watch it. I watched until he told why they believe Karen is guilty, then I turned it off. I already have negative feelings toward he and his mother. The way his mother behaved during the trial would have not gone over in any other courtroom in America. She was laughing when they were reading proctors text messages and I saw twice where the defense objected to something and she had her hands up and plop them down in her lap. Judges usually tell family members if they can’t keep from crying during autopsy or crime scene pictures to leave the courtroom. They don’t want the family to show any emotion. That tiny courtroom had the O’Keefe family directly in front of the jurors. Paul said the reason they KNEW she was guilty because of the way she behaved the day of John‘s death. They’re basing her guilt on her behavior, but they said in that courtroom and saw all that evidence that proved she did not hit him with her vehicle. She didn’t hit him with her vehicle then how did the tail light pieces get there? That’s where all the conspiracy ideas come from. That the Canton remnants of a drinking glass, and some blood. They blew the snow around with a leaf blower, and didn’t see one piece of bright red plastic! so many people like to say it’s strains credulity! (Sp?).
It was disgusting- He is a hypocrite- he was arrested for DUI where he paralyzed a man and called Karen to bail him out. Did you notice that he didn’t sit with his parents or look at them and they didn’t look at him during the trial. H e lied during the interview Karen NEVER smirked at him during the trial, she NEVER looked at him, I watched the entire trial. He however tried to drill holes into her with his nasty all day stare.
Idk how I’ve been an avid crime junkie listener for YEARS and never knew you had a UA-cam channel? WTF is wrong with me. This is amazing! so happy I found your channel, especially collaborating with the brilliant and beautiful Brandi!!
Neither did I! I only listen on audible 😂 and just found this
Same. This is the first time I've seen the channel. Perfect case for it though!
If the split was in favour of the Prosecution, we'd have heard the Jury pole by now.
The Trooper Union’s statement makes it very clear that Proctor is only being investigated for his texts at this time. This does NOT surprise as they have had ALL of this information for 16 months whilst carrying out an ‘internal investigation’. Clearly their internal investigations department is as inept as the Canton PD and the majority of State troopers that testified at trial. It’s so incredibly concerning that not one department seems to be looking at the entirety of what has happened here and that less than satisfactory Troopers are still patrolling the streets and highways of MA.
If Read was found guilty no action would’ve been taken against Proctor and I firmly believe that any action taken against him now will be minimal as it could not be clearer that this is just a poorly conceived PR stunt.
Perhaps both for and against Read protesters can come together and agree that MA citizens deserve better?!
Sadly, there are more reasons than this case that would cause B. Albert and Higgins to destroy their phones. It may not be tied to this case, or only tied to this case. It is suss though.
& remodel the basement? Hellooooo!
are you kidding me?😂 They destroyed their phones because they are guilty!
@@reginamacleod7478 exactly!
@beththompson417 Mike morrisseeytold them too destroy them another wouldcjange the numbers in the report and yanatti caught it ..there'll numbersdidntmatch up
@@reginamacleod7478i think she is referring to the ongoing fed investigation. There are rumors that there is a lot more to come for the DA & state police once the fed investigation is over and ppl are starting to think BA & BH destroyed their phones not only bc of the JOK case but also bc they are knee deep into whatever the feds are looking into and by destroying the phones they thought they could k*ll two birds with one stone so to speak.
Very refreshing to watch 2 attractive & intelligent women who have meaningful involvement in the Karen Read case do this ‘one-on-one’ presentation. I’m a bit surprised that you didn’t mention the ‘dog bite’ wounds on John O’Keefe’s arm and the expert testimony concerning them. Looking forward to future presentations from both of you.
Loved this commentary on the case. Brandi is amazing with presenting the data and making that her compass.
Proctors been rehomed. Chloe’s been rehomed. Albert’s phones have been rehomed. Higgins phone could not be rehomed because he destroyed it.
Brandi!!! She is Awesome
She is!!
I'm sorry - not to me. I love Ashley. And, this was Ashley's show!! And, I thought it was very rude when Brandi kept interrupting Ashley, and then drone on with almost everything she wanted to say, right after she interrupts her. Actually, 2 women chatting online was the only way I found out about Brandi. They, and others online can't stand her trying to break into convos and freakin hog so much of the time. I remember that group telling me that it did not just happen on her channel, which might make more sense..... But no, she can attempt to take over and give main points of cases, before the 2 or the panel would even begin to start to talk about that specific part in case. Well, I agree with those women - I loathe constant interrupting, but even more so, when you are a supposed "guest"? Ahhhhh.
FINALLY YOU ARE ON UA-cam!!! 😃
If only forensic investigators could get inside that 34 Fairview house and tear up the basement linoleum flooring that had been since laid post O JO’s death to sell the house, and spray luminal to test for O JO blood.
I was hoping for that too.
Only in MA does “relieved of duty” NOT mean fired!
The stress and everything has got to be over the top in regards to how it will affect her already compromised health. Pray for KR
Maybe stopping drinking will improve her heath. She’s an alcoholic.
The Judge should have recused herself from the beginning also! 😡
Newer news than Proctor: 3 "Not Guilty" leaning jurors were dismissed on the last day of trial. 2 others were similarly released or dismissed previous to these. That's 5!
In addition to my list of unanswered questions, I keep coming back to his wounds. It isn’t logical to think his wounds were a result of being hit by a car.
I don’t think even a ton of people knew what happened - if JOK immediately got out of car (nagel brother said Karen was alone in car)
We also know at that point Higgins plow was Not where he said it was - I think jok went straight to him - a scuffle and if jok fell back into plow and especially area of attachment / lots of sharp metal that could have caused abrasions/ scratches on arm-if he fell between plow and keep) Higgins runs into house for help ( the time period when BA and BH we’re supposedly in other room looking at photos)
Now BA tells Jen / Matt to clear out house - sends Higgins on his way - says go to canton PD so u have alibi …
Then BA moved body and plan is to say - never saw him - must have been hit by plow - he was really drunk - think they switched to KR at the early morning meeting at Albert’s
Also important - at fed grand jury Higgins says see man in house - he was alluding to nagel brother not Jok…. So why say u saw someone in house who we know never went in house ? He got confused as to whether angel bro went in house - and Higgins wants to be in house at that point - because that is alibi
My favorite was “who if anyone, was driving the ambulance?” Huh? I assume SOMEONE was driving the ambulance DA! That doesn’t mean district attorney! 😮
The evidence showed that he was not hit by a car to me that’s the end of the game. she’s not guilty!
the problem is, ashley, they DID change their stories over and over, thats one reason why most ppl think these 2 families are hiding something.
We do not need to hear about Aruba
35:38 my speculation: You hit the nail on the head, about why the FBI got involved... This case is only a feather on a camels back.
Why do I believe this? Proctor was speaking freely with everyone he worked with, worked for, went to school with, and even witnesses he knew. He believed he could control the narrative so strongly, that no jaws dropped. This was a normal day in the office. Not like it was the first time.
At this point, a hung jury has not just an effect on Karen Read. But for every previous conviction involving evidence provided by Michael Proctor. This is why the FBI needed to investigate. (In theory)
NOT GUILTY!!!
Insane to me that his family really seems to think she did it. I know its hard to accept that his fellow cops could've done this, but the evidence is so clear that it's not her
The "Crash Daddies" testimony Crushed the anything the CW had...simple physics, imo 👍👍
Two beautiful hosts here, but is the laughter during the convo necessary. It bothers me to the core that everyone, except for the O’Keefe family, finds this trial and mistrial to be entertaining. I don’t know the affected families at all, but this should be a fight for justice for Officer O’Keefe and his family, not about the defendant and her newfound celebrity persona.
I love listening to your Crime Junkie podcast....
Everyone should go watch the interview between A friend interview with microdots.
Turtle Boy is in Canton in front of D&E pizza protesting ❤❤❤
He’s a complete loser and he’ll end up in jail like he deserves and has crested a fictitious story and you’ve all brought into it.
Love seeing you two together!
It was the prosecutors strategy to put pressure on the jury with all the testimony
OK that's important, why did no one talk about the vomit? And the how long to digest food?How did he vomit? No bruising around his stomach from car or being boxed in the stomach?
Head injuries can make you vomit
He seized and vomited after being knocked out in Brian Albert's basement.
Intimidation by Brian Albert and Jen McCabe staring down the jury. Remember this is a small town and they carry power.
It’s pathetic though. They’re literally nobody’s.
Why didn’t they judge ask what question they were deadlocked on?
She went back and spoke to the jury. So she knows the count for and against Karen. I’m sure she asked plenty of questions not on the record.
@@acovert8241 that was after she declared a mistrial. She should have asked before that.
I would love to see a
6-person panel half and half NG/G and disect the evidence to compare what G sees vs what NG sees.
Then the town has to deal with the Sandra B. Case as well. It involves some of the same investigators!
I appreciate this collab. I was distracted by the filters, so I just listened like a podcast.
New sub ! Enjoyed your balanced perspectives well done .
I wholeheartedly believe this was a cover that was pinned on the most believeable suspect, being Karen. Had she not cracked her taillight after hitting John's car, they probably would've tried to pin it on Lucky, the plow driver.
An EMT remembering something that didn't exist??? Ok I don't know if that makes sense? 🤔 Mmmmhhhhhhhh??🤔
That's a little bit to far for my imagination to stretch I'm afraid??🧐.
Usually EMTs are pretty Thorough & accurate as to what did and did not happen...
They don't usually pull something out of thin air- like a big puffy jacket??
Plus because it was big an puffy- in it by itself would have made it that much easier to remember what the jacket looked like would it not??
Were there any crime scene photos taken of John O'Keefe before his body was moved- to verify whether or not John was actually wearing a big puffy jacket??? 🤔
And we know the chances of Katie the first responder lying -goes up significantly if her story has evolved from one testimony to the other... With actual memory of an a event- a person story will never change- because it's being pulled from real time memory... And trauma keeps the memory intact over time.
Where's a person who is fabricating their version of a story will struggle to keep their story straight... Which was definitely the case with Katie...
So, more likely then not Katie was indeed falsifying her testimony to fit into the narrative that Lily was presenting. Hence 2+2=4. 😘✌️
She testified that they spoke about it often at the firehouse. It's not a stretch for people who were at the scene and in the firehouse to hear and participate in the discussions to misremember that they heard Read say something that was actually something they heard at the firehouse discussions. It was over two years ago. I wonder if the juror(s) who voted guilty have gone back and watched any of the voir dire of the witnesses and other evidence they didn't get. It would be interesting to know the split. Bev should have polled the jurors for the record!
The e m t was just telling what he heard There.
Wasn't a slew of people in on a cover up?That's all b.S
@@B_Bodziak You're saying they all tainted each other's recollection by sharing amongst one another. Witnesses are specifically kept separate for the purpose of _not_ tainting each other's memories. None of their testimony is reliable. Human memory is notoriously unreliable.
Guarano the guy that had the hot mic moment "Kill Me" .... was on the Sandra Birchmore case. the family's ME said her hyoid bone was fx and that happens in strangulation not hanging typically...
I have heard they can postpone scheduling the "hearing" indefinitely... he gets paid, he retires......
People that live in Massachusetts should be monitoring this investigation and hold them accountable
Dang I've never seen your channel till now! Glad I found you❤
So I know you probably didn't want to mention the details incase of being wrong or whatever, but It was Bev's BROTHER that represented Chris Albert, a current Canton Select Board member, for a fatal hit and run... Just wow, the irony, maybe that's where they got the idea?
Brandi is awesome!
I don’t know if anyone in the house is truly guilty. I think they all are afraid they will be accused of being guilty which they have been. That’s the cover-up.. I think John might’ve been passed out snow plow scooped him up. Also , these cops are dirty! They are a band of brothers and are sticking together, Karen is innocent!
Just because he isnt "fired" doesnt mean he shouldnt be. Sometimes unions are not good when it comes to some things
I love this perspective. New listener and subscriber to you both.
I urge you both to watch Truth and Transparency to get a very thorough breakdown. She has the full defense file and breaks this down. Contact Lana from Truth and Transparency! She does a fantastic job!
This case is like a true crime innocent project podcast in reverse. Like undisclosed in reverse etc.
Personally, I think it was a bunch of drunks, just like it was at the bar punching around. When John went inside, the dog was there and all it takes is that dog to feel protective against his owners to lunge him if he was near the steps and went down it would’ve put him at a place Where he was injured or if he was already down in the basement and them play fighting, let’s call it and the dog comes up and sees it going on and intercedes he could’ve fell and hit his head and cracked it. It’s the cover-up is usually the thing it’s going to get them all. Instead of calling 911 for help, they left him to die my opinion. And then the cover-up they brought him outside to try to blame it on Karin only person that was not part of the group and was not there. They just didn’t expect her phone to connect to John’s Internet at his house at the time. Hence, the reason why all the videos in the entire community didn’t work as well as losing the one at John’s house, one site and noted it. As far as the timeline, I think it fixed it when the defense expert went and got an identical phone with an identical app to prove the time was correct to the defense. Not to mention the experts that said that car did not hit John which just sealed the rest of the evidence for me. I have never known before cops so willing to destroy their phones or have anyone allowed to destroy their phone with an investigation going on. That screams cover up to me.
I've been saying the same as you. Something happened in that house whether it was planned or not, but they didn't try and help him and tossed him on the front lawn like garbage. I dont know if they planned to pin it on Karen or plow driver (Lucky) but they for sure were not taking the blame for it!
Then lucky people they knew were "investigating" the death which was also lucky for the McAlberts.
Paul OKeefe did interviews this weekend and they believe she’s guilty because she didn’t hand around the house that morning and she gathered her things and left 🤦♀️
Yup! The O'Keefes think she is guilty because she gathered some of her things and drove in the snow back home! They think they solved it based on her actions during a traumatic time for her. Ridiculous they believe their gut over the experts and facts that came out during the trial. 🙄
Some jurors had to believe she hit him. So they didn't believe the FBI experts. I think it's fear. The case shld have been moved.
I heard a comment yesterday who called people who inserted themselves into people's real life during this trial called "true crime slime" so I told my friend about this true crime slime, she only watches True Crime Junkie because you are the only only channel that does a ASL version. So she hit me. She thought I was referring to TCJ, I had to fight for my life. You have a loyal AF subbie Ashley.
Plenty of John's blood would have been found in Brian Albert's basement where John was beaten and fell with the back of his head on one of the gym tools that were installed there
The house wasn’t searched and the flooring in the Albert’s basement now have laminate laid
I hate it for John’s family because they’re not going to get real justice. It has to be terribly hard to face the fact that people who were supposed to be your son and family members /friends and coworkers would think of covering up something instead of facing what really happened.
I have become very obsessed with this case !
All Dog trainers, all agree Those are bite marks on John’s arm ! Indicating John was in the house
( Chloe the dog )
Became involved in the obvious altercation autopsy photos show John eyes Black and blue , face mauled 😱
My question for theO’Keefe family , why does the family have tunnel vision?
89% of the public all agree Karen, Read is innocent !!!
I realized during closing arguments that Lally both looks and sounds like Jon Arbuckle’s brother, Doc Boy. specifically from the Garfield Christmas Special.
Someone on that jury said s going to spill the tea… at least one wants a book/movie.
I think they should change venue for too many close connections in that town and I think there should be a new judge… definitely venue Change though
I feel tricked, I actually thought this was one of the jurors. There are too many channels covering the same thing. You all need to get together.
Great video kids!
The one cop said not full damaged twice. Lucky 🍀 drove by multiple times n didn’t see a person. Those r eyewitnesses whereas other ppl r going off a hysterical drunk woman’s guilty cries trying to make sense of what happened.
Lank, Guarini and Kevin Albert were all involved in the Sandra Birchmore case.
,microdots has an actual interview with a friend of John OKeefe.Very eyeopening
It wasn’t the grass or the kid or the Boston detective or the dog or the love struck ATF agent or the housewives or their kids There was never a piloette by the victim. Nobody looked away. These are part of a performance. it simply was the defendant. For those that gave their money to a paid activist hired by the defendant to create this you have been played. Look to the interviews in the initial part of this investigation and what was stated Nightline comes to mind.
I have your podcast on my audible playlist
It’s not a conspiracy? Then how did Karen’s taillight get on that lawn? Who killed John? It only took a few to plant evidence. People who say Karen is innocent but there’s no planted evidence make me shake my head.
Why when people hear cover-up, they have this idea in their head that a cover-up NEEDS to involve every single person. All you need is key players, and it's easier to do when you have the kind of loyalty that law enforcement has with each other.
I think that they asked for the police report(which Bev scoffed and said nope) because some jurors missed the connection between lying about the time car was picked up and the time pieces showed up, when there were not pieces in the AM. So had that report been provided to the jury o fully believe it would have been a hands down NG, which is why Bev said NOPE.
One of the main reasons I believe she is guilty is because she at first said she had left him at the bar. Why would she lie? If her excuse is she was so drunk she forgot taking him to the party then she could have been drunk enough to hit him and maybe not even remember it.
The defense’s witnesses are also suspicious to me. SOMEBODY is paying them.
This is the first video I've watched on this channel, and I keep hitting the thumbs up button, but it's not registering. Anyone know why?
That happens to me every few days, and it seems to be a glitch in the UA-cam app. Just completely close the app and restart it.
28:20 and given the brief recording in the PD when Karen said something like “your in on the joke to? My taillight has a crack and John is pulverized. This is really indicative of her personality. I actually believe that Karen never asked or made statements about her involvement the way it was presented. I think what happened:
Jen calls 911 in the mist eerily calm way and states “guy”or “Man” is in the snow. She speaks so quietly as on this call. That is crazy to me because I would be all losing my mind just , however I believe with all my heart:
Jen almost whispered, to Jaren the same way she spoke to 911 “do you think you hit him, do you think you could have hit him?
Karen responded with absolute incredulity and disbelief that her friend would even ask her that and she REPEATED what Karen just said. “Did I hit him, could I have hit him? As in, you have got to be kidding!
Then once the fam got together to figure out their story, Hen remembered this situation, likely Jerri brought it up and would only would likely have states s
And what judge ever picks out the leader to begin with and then do it before they relieve the extra jurors. She picked this person out before the wheel ever spun for the other two to be taken off and strangely enough I wouldn’t trust the person who spun the wheel anymore than I trust her And I don’t. The family has already spoken that auntie Bev is going to cover for them, and if you watch the majority of her actions unless she was forced to blatantly have to support defense she didn’t. And picking out the leader let us know right off the bat she handpicked the jury is much as she could, taking off those she knew would say not guilty and putting in those she knew would say guilty. My opinion.