Once again, well explained. Sifu Le clearly trains the structure and mechanics traditionally, but he validates the traditional methods through modern and realistic combat scenarios. Traditional martial arts needs more practitioners like Sifu Le. 👏👏👏
Using a big and tall training partner demonstrates clear principles of timing, angle and distance control, as well as counter techniques. The centerline principle is maintained well. Thanks for sharing!
Excellent demonstration, thank you very much, Sifu Le! I know you from a video with Kevin Lee and a podcast with a german guy. Currently i am a beginner learning a Hakka Mantis family style with Jook Lum and Chu Gar elements mixed into it so i am always eager to get some material on UA-cam. Subbed :)
@@MikeS24-v4s I really appreciate it, thank you! It was more free form play than truly sparring, but I find hard sparring less valuable these days, though we do mix things up in various ways. Cheers!
Oh wow, the movement actually looks really interesting. I already felt you were using a long guard but to use the forearms as opposed to the palms? really interesting. I'm glad to see actual Southern Mantis
This is so refreshing to see--a TCMA practitioner, who advocates using sparring and pressure testing to hone his techniques. Akil is lucky to have you as his Sifu.
Thank you so much. Akil is actually my senior brother in Bajiquan and is constantly kind enough to be my demo partner for SPM since I don’t formally teach (again) yet. You should check out his videos(link in bio); they’re great stuff!
@ I don’t like making promises until I have everything ironed out, but my goal is to teach in NYC and also have instruction available to those outside of the region.
@@Phillip-Le I understand and appreciate your prudence. I'm in Brooklyn and I'd love to learn when you start up again. Until then, I hope you have a healthy and happy new year.
@@mooselee902 Appreciate the compliment! Bridge softness, pliability, and structure are all very important to our Philadelphia Jook Lum practice. Not to send you to yet another video, but I talk a bit about your question in the interview below. I’m only an expert in my art and so am generalizing based on my experience, but generally I’d say Chow Gar has tremendous internal power externalized; they are extremely powerful and it’s awing how they express it as soon as they bridge you. Jook Lum’s expertise is in a soft springy power accentuated by small short bursts. Each style has elements of each other, they just each emphasize things slight more and slightly less respectively. ua-cam.com/video/ErnV7GF6ltM/v-deo.htmlsi=5nMb0M8ZKmn1QiEx
@@cjythandle I practiced judo and BJJ for a short time-not long enough to be proficient, but enough to grasp its basics-and I found my Jook Lum background let me quickly find and switch grips, easily pummel and move, and the chi sao allowing for an easier flow in the clinch. With this, I’m certain with some cross training each art would make the other better.
most of the traditional kung fu 99.9% are peasant kung fu, all are insubstantial superficial usually one sided , ether too hard or too soft and have zero ground game, not suited for combat
His punches are too slow and predictable. When you add lightning, fast flicker jabs, footwork, and feints, it makes the whole framing thing open up your chin and body if you attempt to frame those fast punches or a feinted punch.
@@bigm0e89 You are correct in that the movements here are generally slower and therefore more predictable than a fight. It’s all for training purposes and intentional in that way. Both of my Jook Lum teachers were boxers (and I train in boxing and Muay Thai as well) so we trained against fast jabs, stiff jabs, feints, hooks, uppercuts, peekaboo blows and more. You’re right it’s a lot harder to react to those thrown at speed and power. We trained up to it. I’m not a professional fighter, so the cost benefit of sparring hard like a fighter isn’t there for me. I always assume those who critique also craft, and so presume you train against fast punches and as/against a boxer/s. Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/twE-zdUkB_U/v-deo.html
@Phillip-Le I'm recovering from an injury, but Muay Thai is my main sport. I think those moves are nice when used sparingly but the muay thai stance by default doesn't leave openings so it's tough to want to use those frames when feints and other unorthodox movements are in play. My gym also embodies that philosophy of being against hard sparring. As a matter of fact, most Muay Thai gyms where the teacher has reached the Arjan title and associated with gyms in Thailand also adopt a sparring as play mentality and it's something that the thais have always done. So my prior comment is saying this with that in mind. I do think that it's a great to use once or twice because it is unexpected, but if I feint and you step into that frame the low kick is gonna come as a reflex.
@@bigm0e89 I don’t disagree with the nuance you’re talking about. The Muay Thai jengwa has a lot of similarities to this beggar hand frame, as are the Muay Thai post and Muay Thai clinch being similar to what we call our bao shu as well as to how we clinch. If you feint and I step into you, I may not only eat your low kick, but also an uppercut, elbow spike, overhead elbow, etc. Training the frame and using the frame has nuanced distinctions too. I appreciate the articulate discussion.
@Phillip-Le I won't lie and say I'm not interested in picking up some Kung fu skills to apply. Thanks for not being defensive and having a conversation about it. I still learned something and will still watch your videos to see if I can incorporate certain things.
Appreciate the civil and well intentioned conversation. I always presume positive intent and I like good martial arts discourse. It’s how we learn and how we all get better. Thank you for watching and the exchange.
Once again, well explained. Sifu Le clearly trains the structure and mechanics traditionally, but he validates the traditional methods through modern and realistic combat scenarios. Traditional martial arts needs more practitioners like Sifu Le. 👏👏👏
@@TheMartialArtsVault Really appreciate the validation and support from the Tsáng Wǔ Gé community!
Using a big and tall training partner demonstrates clear principles of timing, angle and distance control, as well as counter techniques. The centerline principle is maintained well. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for watching and your support!
Excellent demonstration, thank you very much, Sifu Le! I know you from a video with Kevin Lee and a podcast with a german guy. Currently i am a beginner learning a Hakka Mantis family style with Jook Lum and Chu Gar elements mixed into it so i am always eager to get some material on UA-cam. Subbed :)
Nice!! You don't see too many SPM guys demonstrating sparring. Great Job!
@@MikeS24-v4s I really appreciate it, thank you! It was more free form play than truly sparring, but I find hard sparring less valuable these days, though we do mix things up in various ways. Cheers!
Oh wow, the movement actually looks really interesting. I already felt you were using a long guard but to use the forearms as opposed to the palms? really interesting. I'm glad to see actual Southern Mantis
Man, this is incredible to learn. Thanks for this great lesson and demo
Thank you for watching and your continued support!
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This is so refreshing to see--a TCMA practitioner, who advocates using sparring and pressure testing to hone his techniques. Akil is lucky to have you as his Sifu.
Thank you so much. Akil is actually my senior brother in Bajiquan and is constantly kind enough to be my demo partner for SPM since I don’t formally teach (again) yet. You should check out his videos(link in bio); they’re great stuff!
@Phillip-Le Awesome. Will do! When you resume teaching, will it be in Philadelphia or NYC?
@ I don’t like making promises until I have everything ironed out, but my goal is to teach in NYC and also have instruction available to those outside of the region.
@@Phillip-Le I understand and appreciate your prudence. I'm in Brooklyn and I'd love to learn when you start up again. Until then, I hope you have a healthy and happy new year.
👏😁 FIIINNNAAALLLY! A smaller instructor agsinst a big guy👏😁. It's just about always the other way around 😁👍
Great video! Great explanation!
Really appreciate it, thank you!
Whats the difference between jook lum and chow gar? Do they have a common root? you guys have a real nice adaptable bridge
@@mooselee902 Appreciate the compliment! Bridge softness, pliability, and structure are all very important to our Philadelphia Jook Lum practice.
Not to send you to yet another video, but I talk a bit about your question in the interview below. I’m only an expert in my art and so am generalizing based on my experience, but generally I’d say Chow Gar has tremendous internal power externalized; they are extremely powerful and it’s awing how they express it as soon as they bridge you. Jook Lum’s expertise is in a soft springy power accentuated by small short bursts. Each style has elements of each other, they just each emphasize things slight more and slightly less respectively.
ua-cam.com/video/ErnV7GF6ltM/v-deo.htmlsi=5nMb0M8ZKmn1QiEx
Thank you. Which style of southern praying mantis is this?
Great break down!
Thank you, brother!
I wonder if you could use this technique as a grappler, using it to get into judo takedowns.
@@cjythandle I practiced judo and BJJ for a short time-not long enough to be proficient, but enough to grasp its basics-and I found my Jook Lum background let me quickly find and switch grips, easily pummel and move, and the chi sao allowing for an easier flow in the clinch. With this, I’m certain with some cross training each art would make the other better.
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is good drill but its not full speed
excited to see it in full speed
@@RedRiverGroup Agree, it’s much more exciting to see at full speed. Do you have examples from your own practice?
most of the traditional kung fu 99.9% are peasant kung fu, all are insubstantial superficial usually one sided , ether too hard or too soft and have zero ground game, not suited for combat
His punches are too slow and predictable. When you add lightning, fast flicker jabs, footwork, and feints, it makes the whole framing thing open up your chin and body if you attempt to frame those fast punches or a feinted punch.
@@bigm0e89 You are correct in that the movements here are generally slower and therefore more predictable than a fight. It’s all for training purposes and intentional in that way. Both of my Jook Lum teachers were boxers (and I train in boxing and Muay Thai as well) so we trained against fast jabs, stiff jabs, feints, hooks, uppercuts, peekaboo blows and more. You’re right it’s a lot harder to react to those thrown at speed and power. We trained up to it. I’m not a professional fighter, so the cost benefit of sparring hard like a fighter isn’t there for me.
I always assume those who critique also craft, and so presume you train against fast punches and as/against a boxer/s. Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/twE-zdUkB_U/v-deo.html
@Phillip-Le I'm recovering from an injury, but Muay Thai is my main sport. I think those moves are nice when used sparingly but the muay thai stance by default doesn't leave openings so it's tough to want to use those frames when feints and other unorthodox movements are in play.
My gym also embodies that philosophy of being against hard sparring. As a matter of fact, most Muay Thai gyms where the teacher has reached the Arjan title and associated with gyms in Thailand also adopt a sparring as play mentality and it's something that the thais have always done. So my prior comment is saying this with that in mind.
I do think that it's a great to use once or twice because it is unexpected, but if I feint and you step into that frame the low kick is gonna come as a reflex.
@@bigm0e89 I don’t disagree with the nuance you’re talking about.
The Muay Thai jengwa has a lot of similarities to this beggar hand frame, as are the Muay Thai post and Muay Thai clinch being similar to what we call our bao shu as well as to how we clinch.
If you feint and I step into you, I may not only eat your low kick, but also an uppercut, elbow spike, overhead elbow, etc.
Training the frame and using the frame has nuanced distinctions too. I appreciate the articulate discussion.
@Phillip-Le I won't lie and say I'm not interested in picking up some Kung fu skills to apply.
Thanks for not being defensive and having a conversation about it. I still learned something and will still watch your videos to see if I can incorporate certain things.
Appreciate the civil and well intentioned conversation. I always presume positive intent and I like good martial arts discourse. It’s how we learn and how we all get better. Thank you for watching and the exchange.