Thank you for this very interesting video. I have driven past this area many times on the way to other hiking destinations. I would say to myself that I should make this a destination hike, But I have not done it, YET. I'll have to get a few of my hiking buddies together and explore this area when the temperatures drop in a few weeks. I live in Apache Junction, so it would probably be about a 40-mile drive out there. Thank you again the beautiful scenic views.
Meanwhile we expect all the things we use in life on a daily basis to always be there that copper makes possible. Including the car (even more for electric cars) you drove to Oak Flat and the drone used for the video etc. Remember, nothing gets done/built without farming or mining....nothing. Anyone can find beauty in anything, including a dirt parking lot. It doesn't mean you shouldn't park your car there.
I did not know that those were ore wagon tracks?! I see them every time I'm out there. I love that place! Top side site with that giant oak is my favorite spot to camp. I really hope the mining company loses this battle! That's pretty sacred land. Treasure it for its beauty and history above the ground. .not the "treasure" below.....
Hey Jay..I had a mine worker parked by those wagon tracks years ago and he told me about them and if you look farther down the road there's more. Thanks for watching.
Such a narrow-minded perception of the world is a beautiful country,take a good look at West Virginia they strip mied that state and it's torn to pieced the mine company left it the way it was once done
The surface of Oak Flat is a very small area to sacrifice in order to obtain 40 billion pounds of copper. A deposit like this is exceedingly rare anywhere in the world. Copper has to be mined from where it exists not where we might like it to be. The oak trees and volcanic boulders are found many other places in Arizona that are not underlain by a world class ore deposit. Mining of the Resolution deposit is the highest and best use of this land.
There is no other place like Oak Flat. Simple logic is what's caused the controversy. It does seem like a small parcel of land, insignificant. Another treaty between the local apache tribes and the u.s. government has been all but destroyed. The residents surrounding the area could use 40 years of mine work. So the controversy continues. I would suggest a trip to oak flat.
@charleysdaytrippin I've been there many times and agree that it is a nice spot. As a former exploration geologist, I'm acutely aware of how rare a deposit like Resolution is, the difficulty of finding it in the first place and developing it. It's not just about money but its help in meeting critical US need for copper. Especially since the present political world is so obsessed with electric everything.
@@AZGUY643 I believe the mining interests will prevail. The point you make about the need for copper will be the final consideration. Seems a shame to lose the place. I'm thinking about making another Oak Flat video spending more time discussing the issues on both sides. the comments would be interesting thanks for watching
Thank you for making this beautiful film. I am from here and I strand with Apache Stronghold to protect this ceremonial and sacred area. The No 9 shaft has taken enough copper from rich veins for all its worth. It time to leave what is left alone. The copper in a phorphy type of deposit is far too destructive to take and the dewatering and use of water is outlandish. The Apache Mountain is also in danger of being affected Not to mention my beautiful home town Superior. The mine is run by Rio Tinto a foreign company who has not been transparent on everything from the environmental process to stakeholders, and where the copper would all go. This is one project that should not tale place! More harm on so many levels outweigh temporary profits that do not pay out per the use of water and the complete irreversible destruction to such a most precious and sacred place. I could go on and on with the reasons why this mining operation should not be done.
This Copper will be Sent to China...Not Our Best Ally. This is Sacred land to the Apache people...Would You Feel the Same way if this Copper was Under the The White House or Lincoln Memorial ?,,,Colonial Attitudes STILL Exist ....
It would be nice but I doubt they'd listen. Politicians have been paid off. John McCain sold this place out years ago when he swapped a worthless piece of land owned by Rio Tinto in Arizona for the parcel of land that is Oak Flat. All parties knew of the copper load at oak flat and secretly installed this land swap provision into a much larger energy bill. It passed without notice. Washington: criminals all!
don't worry the top people will be paid off... What you should suggest and require is do what Alaska did with the oil companies! The tribe and ALL members should get a piece not just the top! This could change the lives of everyone on the Reservation and future babies if they follow alaska lead... I hope the best for them!
Oak Flat (also known as Chíchʼil Bił Dagoteel in Western Apache and Chéchʼil Bił Dahoteel in Navajo) is not located on a reservation. It is situated in Pinal County, approximately 40 miles (64 km) east of Phoenix, within the Tonto National Forest. The area is characterized by a high desert setting at an elevation of 3,900 feet (1,200 meters)... nope its not on rez
The North Magnetic Pole has been moving towards Siberia, and the Magnetism that was surrounding Canada, USA, and Mexico is becoming less each year, strangely that Magnetism was much stronger 100 years ago when many resources of Canada USA and Mexico still hadn't been mined, that Magnetism is very important to Life on Earth including humans, the day that magnetism falls down Earth could suffer an extintion level event that could kill even humans, Now the question why 100 years ago Magnetism was strong in North America, and now is becoming less is it due to extraction of minerals of all kinds and destruction of the original structures of the Earth (like rivers, mountains, hills, etc) or is there any other reason, because flipping magnetic poles by themselfs is not an explanation, and if we lie or cheat or keep acting wrong is going to wipe us with life as well.
That’s a stunningly beautiful area. Leave it alone.
Is this the area near Superior?
It is
Thank you for this very interesting video. I have driven past this area many times on the way to other hiking destinations. I would say to myself that I should make this a destination hike, But I have not done it, YET. I'll have to get a few of my hiking buddies together and explore this area when the temperatures drop in a few weeks. I live in Apache Junction, so it would probably be about a 40-mile drive out there. Thank you again the beautiful scenic views.
Hry Phil,
Thanks for the great comment. It is about 40 miles from Apache junction.
Its just east of Superior.
Thanks again..Charley
Meanwhile we expect all the things we use in life on a daily basis to always be there that copper makes possible. Including the car (even more for electric cars) you drove to Oak Flat and the drone used for the video etc. Remember, nothing gets done/built without farming or mining....nothing. Anyone can find beauty in anything, including a dirt parking lot. It doesn't mean you shouldn't park your car there.
There goes the neighborhood
The neighborhood is already gone. It is way to close to Phoenix and is being trashed by the weekend warriors.
I am poor I grew Up on the farm I know what struggle is but When is Enough Enough?! Leave it Alone!!!!
I did not know that those were ore wagon tracks?! I see them every time I'm out there. I love that place! Top side site with that giant oak is my favorite spot to camp. I really hope the mining company loses this battle! That's pretty sacred land. Treasure it for its beauty and history above the ground. .not the "treasure" below.....
Hey Jay..I had a mine worker parked by those wagon tracks years ago and he told me about them and if you look farther down the road there's more.
Thanks for watching.
Its pretty country.
8 year. 😢
Dig baby Dig.. mine and plunder
Such a narrow-minded perception of the world is a beautiful country,take a good look at West Virginia they strip mied that state and it's torn to pieced the mine company left it the way it was once done
The surface of Oak Flat is a very small area to sacrifice in order to obtain 40 billion pounds of copper. A deposit like this is exceedingly rare anywhere in the world. Copper has to be mined from where it exists not where we might like it to be. The oak trees and volcanic boulders are found many other places in Arizona that are not underlain by a world class ore deposit. Mining of the Resolution deposit is the highest and best use of this land.
There is no other place like Oak Flat.
Simple logic is what's caused the controversy.
It does seem like a small parcel of land, insignificant. Another treaty between the local apache tribes and the u.s. government has been all but destroyed. The residents surrounding the area could use 40 years of mine work. So the controversy continues.
I would suggest a trip to oak flat.
@charleysdaytrippin I've been there many times and agree that it is a nice spot. As a former exploration geologist, I'm acutely aware of how rare a deposit like Resolution is, the difficulty of finding it in the first place and developing it. It's not just about money but its help in meeting critical US need for copper. Especially since the present political world is so obsessed with electric everything.
@@AZGUY643 I believe the mining interests will prevail. The point you make about the need for copper will be the final consideration.
Seems a shame to lose the place.
I'm thinking about making another Oak Flat video spending more time discussing the issues on both sides.
the comments would be interesting
thanks for watching
Thank you for making this beautiful film. I am from here and I strand with Apache Stronghold to protect this ceremonial and sacred area. The No 9 shaft has taken enough copper from rich veins for all its worth. It time to leave what is left alone. The copper in a phorphy type of deposit is far too destructive to take and the dewatering and use of water is outlandish. The Apache Mountain is also in danger of being affected
Not to mention my beautiful home town Superior. The mine is run by Rio Tinto a foreign company who has not been transparent on everything from the environmental process to stakeholders, and where the copper would all go. This is one project that should not tale place! More harm on so many levels outweigh temporary profits that do not pay out per the use of water and the complete irreversible destruction to such a most precious and sacred place. I could go on and on with the reasons why this mining operation should not be done.
This Copper will be Sent to China...Not Our Best Ally. This is Sacred land to the Apache people...Would You Feel the Same way if this Copper was Under the The White House or Lincoln Memorial ?,,,Colonial Attitudes STILL Exist ....
Why do they have to get all 40 billion pounds? Tell them they only can do a percentage.
It would be nice but I doubt they'd listen. Politicians have been paid off.
John McCain sold this place out years ago when he swapped a worthless piece of land owned by Rio Tinto in Arizona for the parcel of land that is Oak Flat. All parties knew of the copper load at oak flat and secretly installed this land swap provision into a much larger energy bill. It passed without notice.
Washington: criminals all!
@@charleysdaytrippin thats why I cringed every time I voted for him , I knew something was up with him , definitely a rhino
It will be consumed.
Trump will make sure of it.
A thunderstorms wish.
I will defend oak flats with my life as will many others who come from this area.
Still stealing from People ???
its on the apache reservation....back off!
Can you imagine how much money the Indians will make, they will probably want it.
don't worry the top people will be paid off... What you should suggest and require is do what Alaska did with the oil companies! The tribe and ALL members should get a piece not just the top! This could change the lives of everyone on the Reservation and future babies if they follow alaska lead... I hope the best for them!
Oak Flat (also known as Chíchʼil Bił Dagoteel in Western Apache and Chéchʼil Bił Dahoteel in Navajo) is not located on a reservation. It is situated in Pinal County, approximately 40 miles (64 km) east of Phoenix, within the Tonto National Forest. The area is characterized by a high desert setting at an elevation of 3,900 feet (1,200 meters)... nope its not on rez
@@azjeep look at what the reservation used to look like before ranchers stole it all away
@@azjeep not only that, oak flats is sacred to the apache.the cultural incensitivity is astounding
The North Magnetic Pole has been moving towards Siberia, and the Magnetism that was surrounding Canada, USA, and Mexico is becoming less each year, strangely that Magnetism was much stronger 100 years ago when many resources of Canada USA and Mexico still hadn't been mined, that Magnetism is very important to Life on Earth including humans, the day that magnetism falls down Earth could suffer an extintion level event that could kill even humans, Now the question why 100 years ago Magnetism was strong in North America, and now is becoming less is it due to extraction of minerals of all kinds and destruction of the original structures of the Earth (like rivers, mountains, hills, etc) or is there any other reason, because flipping magnetic poles by themselfs is not an explanation, and if we lie or cheat or keep acting wrong is going to wipe us with life as well.
Are you ok? copper isn't magnetic plus This is going to happen anyways the flip will happen... nothing on earth stays the same
@@azjeep Yeah I'm ok, thanks I hadn't considered last thing you said.
Let the Apache make money, if they want.,.progress