For more on this topic, Dr. Edith Humphrey goes through various views in Catholicism and Protestant communities (including Anglican and Methodist) and compares these with each other and with the Orthodox mindset, with more detail than this discussion. The link to her book is below! ⬇ www.amazon.com/Scripture-Tradition-Really-Studies-Theology/dp/0801039835/ref=sr_1_1?crid=C0W0WHBTGITK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z-1oyVIRmBK2EGPUBe6ywHHooprCGtSj3JKgowMatVC1hwQMxUyp231xusgfrm5jjPth-xhrKfsrW7IY1IwxTRBIMTHqO-T-nnDcvs2EfdgSzNY3KiUuW0gFeT5OVJh57jEFFC9YAuf4tCfK6S0mOCL_xsd804dPRM4y3QZUIrI9q9utByM8674ssR_hFt_b.qCXP7G1zMCUb-qwFeYfqhridb81uV4-YMCTAmYwKjjo&dib_tag=se&keywords=Scripture%20and%20Tradition%20Humphrey&qid=1718382966&sprefix=scripture%20and%20tradition%20humphrey%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3myUKfQIc8SCILkwnAZcaph0vdnVtZ1LW_qz--ZyWGMF3-g-J7paKWtoo_aem_AQvLkb1G7rPCCykvv-rbR_7oU0eDHqZuel1aAZxrygv3PvxrNqjtG6YSdqDIlVuaw2D0eqbDaGNy3s7oc3lTj-oo
@@TheTransfiguredLife honestly you guys have covered everything I’ve really been seeking answers for 🙏 I am coming from a reformed Calvinist background, really looking forward to the future videos, may god bless you both 🙏
Saint Cosmas of Aetolos preaches: "I read about priests, and about impious, heretical and atheists; I searched the depths of wisdom; all faiths are false; this I understood to be true, that only the faith of orthodox Christians is good and holy , to believe and be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This I say to you now in the end: rejoice where you are orthodox Christians, and weep for the impious and heretical who walk in darkness
After watching the whole video I want to admit that even though I’ve had Mrs. Humphreys book on my Amazon’s cart for a while now, I’m now even more convinced of buying and reading it with eagerness. Thanks all of you for the great content on the channel; even though I’m not a western “Orthodox”, I do find more connection theologically and personally with the Orthodox preservation of the Faith than with the Roman Catholic and Protestant ones. The “Roman” Catholic tradition is very compelling to me, except in the authoritarianism it has fallen into across history. As for Protestantism, I don’t sympathize very much with it, except for the personal/individual reverence it holds as concerns the Holy Scriptures. I’ve not been able to study a career in theology or church history but I would love to, yet I’ve dedicated a lot of time (I’m just 23 years old though) to reading and studying about the history of our Faith and I’m growing in my confidence that the Faith is Tradition… I recently bought John Zizoulas book “Being As Communion” and have been reading portions of it and it is very profound. But anyways, I wish I could have people like you to talk about all these things that concern the veracity of our Faith as christians… If Dostoyevsky said that “beauty will save the world”, I would say that Tradition will save the Church. May God bless us all with his finger.
As far as the 'by whose authority ' topic, as someone who was formerly Protestant and now Orthodox, when you hold to sola Scriptura, you are then saying that you yourself are the authority. There is no getting around that fact.
Glory to God! What an episode! That went way too quick! Please do have Dr Edith back to speak on her other book as well that she mentioned she had elsewhere, as it sounds like a really good topic. Thank you for putting this out there 🙏
Are any of you familiar with the work of John Behr on Irenaeus or Lyons? He points out that the way in which Irenaeus saw Scripture and its relationship with the “rule of faith” was very close to the understanding we get from the Protestant Reformation concerning the authority of the Scriptures in relation to the Church.
Good video. I would disagree with her interpretation of the Catholic view on Sacred Tradition and Scripture. We certainly consider the view of elevating aesthetic or form to the level of sacred tradition if it holds no affirmation from the Magisterium clarifying how the aesthetic and form comprise Sacred Tradition, else fall into a for of idolatry. So we see Sacred Tradition, Scripture, and Thr Magisterium WITH the Pope as the foundation of our faith.
Yes, and it’s also as if we wouldn’t ask if this or that conflict with Scripture (@32:44) when in fact we do, and it’s a concern that she doesn’t seem to know that. Also I was curious to see what doctrine she thinks Catholics added but finally it’s just the papacy, really. Because the truth is Catholics never added anything that wasn’t already there in one form or another. Interesting that it comes down to the big difference between Catholics and Orthodox (besides the Filioque).
@@regis_red "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector" Mathew 18:17. So which Orthodox church should you go to?
@@maxellton According to St. Ignatius, who was taught by St. Peter and St. John the Evangelist, the whole of the Church exists within the Bishop. So you go to your Bishop.
I'm sorry that I was so compressed in my description of Catholicism and tradition. In my book I give several different Catholic views, and consider them with more care.
This is why defending tradition as authority always seems sus. They spent a bunch of time on how the written word can be corrupted or misinterpreted. With the written word we know what changed and we can go back to verify if someone abused the scripture. With tradition you can’t. Every argument against the written word can be used against tradition and it is ten times worse for tradition. Every time tradition is argued there is lots of equivocation of the use of the term tradition. She mentions the different usages of tradition and then proceeds to not distinguish them most of her talk. Yes, there are positive usages of tradition in the Bible, but all are in context of their present time. When Jesus talks about traditions what is he talking about? Man made traditions that are added to the scriptures, these he describes as a burden and they can even take people away from God. Many of the traditions of today are clearly man made and in addition to the written word.
"They spent a bunch of time on how the written word can be corrupted or misinterpreted." Where did we spend a bunch of time discussing the corruption of the written text? "To an Orthodox Christian, Tradition means the Holy Bible; it means the Creed; it means the decrees of the Ecumenical Councils and the writings of the Fathers; it means the Canons, the Service Books, the Holy Icons, etc. In essence, it means the whole system of doctrine, ecclesiastical government, worship and art which Orthodoxy has articulated over the ages [Timothy Ware, The Orthodox Church, p.204]." Tradition is easy to defend because it has been taught by the Fathers and is a historical reality. What's "sus" is those that reject it yet call themselves Christian.
Is there a Bible you all recommend?? I am a Protestant but looking into the orthodox faith. Or is there a book that helps translate the Bible I have to Greek, so I actually know what words are actually used? Thanks for your help!
The OSB is a safe option (Orthodox Study Bible). I recommend the EOB. You will appreciate this bible. ⬇️ EOB: The Eastern Greek Orthodox New Testament: Based on the Patriarchal Text of 1904 with extensive variants a.co/d/03P19Uxb
There are interlinear Bibles that put the Greek word underneath the English. They aren't a substitute for actually learning Greek, or for reading patristic commentary on the Scriptures, but they are sometimes helpful.
Colossians 2:8 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Stop trying to condemn faithful believers in Christ.. you are NOT the one true church. You are A church and equally part of the body with all.
Where was anyone condemned? Please provide the timestamp. Also, Colossians 2 is about the "tradition of men" not the Holy Tradition spoken about in scripture. This was covered in the video.
@@TheTransfiguredLife I speak all in love but even so I shall speak it... to your point.. your assumed holy tradition is just as the Pharisees accounted there traditions as Holy but yet were still Rebuked sharply for them by Christ for they were continually added upon. Even Peter whom you say is this first pope.. is rebuked as Satan when speaking of things not of God but of man.. Notice the symbolism Jesus is instilling in whom Peter's nature is like..and what subsequently follows is an abundance of man's inspired tradition through the Catholic government/church which gets EXTREMELY in the way of one thing.. Jesus. The additions of the practice of your traditions ,in essence , are not the condemnation in which I speak of but rather I do see how they are simply worship and honoring components of scripture to glorify God.. HOWEVER this was fine...until they were made crucial for salvation! Every Catholic and Orthodox needs to start having a Legitimate Truth DISCLAIMER before the video. (Please educate me if this is wrong and I would gladly receive the wisdom) The Catholic and Orthodox (which expressly disagree with each other) have ANATHEMATIZED every individual that does not accept specific key doctrines about there faith that ARE NOT what Jesus our Lord taught but are the ADOPTED "earthy" additions and traditions of men. These anathema Claim that EVERY PERSON who has rejected these extra biblical additions to the Christian faith.. have been forever EXCOMMUNICATED, BANNED, SEPARATED from The Church of The Lord and have been CONDEMNED to HELL. This is a huge majority of the body of Christ, His ears, nose, eyes!! All trying to be put into flames! This is what you ALL are backing every time you have a debate or speak on a subject.. you all breeze over this like hey no big deal...but by becoming a Catholic/Orthodox you all submit to this! thankfully it is a "false" theology in which Christ personally has dissolved and cast down under His feet. You all need to start realizing that every time you speak you are "trying" to condemn FAITHFUL, HOLY SPIRIT FILLED, Followers and believers of Christ in the body that do not subscribe to these unbiblical anathema and God Forbid But Jesus Christ would never do such a thing.. but you all, would reject that they even are CHRISTIANS! Truly the satan is behind you Peter, I rebuke you... and mind yourself and I pray your faith stands. I'm asking you to wake up to the heinous nature of these anathema and to generally address your part taking place in a despicable crime to God. I met Jesus face to face during a Near Death Experience and I have been given more spiritual authority and had more supernatural experience with Christ in one hour than most in a LIFE TIME and I live now and work with Jesus DIRECTLY in POWER every day, and trust me Jesus is NOT for what these anathema are trying to do! Keep your tradition and honor God with them but they CANNOT condemn those who are not biblically required to practice them as though they were. This is THE FAITH Romans 8:38-39 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to SEPARATE us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 10:6-9 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”[a] (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’”[b] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[c] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. NOTHING can separate The believer from God and The SIMPLICITY of The GOSPEL is displayed in the second verse. Confess and be saved... you are all absolutely not following that. If I follow Jesus it seems it would be clear that I could not be following The Catholic faith tradition for His word speaks of something greater and more pure than the condemning of man. John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. " even those who simply believe on his name" All will come to be saved. God bless us all in Jesus name and thank you for reading.
"Tradition" is a perfectly good translation of paradidomi and paradosis. It is the pejorative connotation given to it by some Protestants that is flawed. And Tradition is not simply delivery but also reception: it is a two-way process.
@@edithmhumphrey2254 this is true. Unfortunately the taint given by Protestants has ruined it. It’s almost like we need to go back to the Greek & school them- which you did here- and give a full lesson on the Greek text. Even the notion of ‘something delivered & received’ seems to be lost w/ protestants. The same root word was used when Christ was ‘delivered’ to Pilate. The word ‘parade’ comes from the same root & It gives a very visual image. Protestants- when taking all different sects into account- have so many different ‘traditions’ & you did a good job of explaining them. The Revival movement tried to return to ‘the original’ but ended up with even more- SDA,JW, COC, Mormons, etc. Now Hebrew roots is another. Boggles the mind.
Jesus condemned the traditions of the Pharisees..'the traditions of men'.. That is not the same thing as the Holy traditions of the Church that was taught to the Apostles by Christ Himself, and later Paul compelled the Church to hold fast to them in 2 Thes. 2:15 .
Why does this have to be a criteria for authenticity? The true church is the church lead by the spirit John 16:13 following apostolic tradition 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and founded by Jesus Matthew 16:18
Why are you catholic if you reject the Vatican councils? If the pope can be in error when leading an infallible council then your whole system falls apart.
@@airpodman1259 Why? Because the Church has been infiltrated from within. By whom exactly? Well, I will leave that up to you to investigate. They had tried for centuries without success. After World War 2, things changed though. It is still the One True Church (The Seat of Peter) run by a few corrupt men. Hence there are Bishops and Cardinals leaving and organising their own traditional masses that stay true to Sacred Tradition. So, yes I am a traditionalist, not a fan of modernism in the Church. That's it really.
Let me ask you a question. Since the first 200 years of the faith didn't have anything but the OT, how was Christianity taught? By Tradition. Even Paul says so. And you owe your NT to the church. You're welcome.
Friend, where did you get your Bible? Where did you get those precise books in your Bible? Where did you get your English Translation? You believe that the Bible speaks to you today in English. Jesus spoke in Aramaic; the NT books are in Greek. Do you need to know those words, or do you trust the Holy Spirit to deliver them to you in English, through the Christian people that have translated and transmitted them to you? That is Holy Tradition.
For more on this topic, Dr. Edith Humphrey goes through various views in Catholicism and Protestant communities (including Anglican and Methodist) and compares these with each other and with the Orthodox mindset, with more detail than this discussion. The link to her book is below! ⬇
www.amazon.com/Scripture-Tradition-Really-Studies-Theology/dp/0801039835/ref=sr_1_1?crid=C0W0WHBTGITK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z-1oyVIRmBK2EGPUBe6ywHHooprCGtSj3JKgowMatVC1hwQMxUyp231xusgfrm5jjPth-xhrKfsrW7IY1IwxTRBIMTHqO-T-nnDcvs2EfdgSzNY3KiUuW0gFeT5OVJh57jEFFC9YAuf4tCfK6S0mOCL_xsd804dPRM4y3QZUIrI9q9utByM8674ssR_hFt_b.qCXP7G1zMCUb-qwFeYfqhridb81uV4-YMCTAmYwKjjo&dib_tag=se&keywords=Scripture%20and%20Tradition%20Humphrey&qid=1718382966&sprefix=scripture%20and%20tradition%20humphrey%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3myUKfQIc8SCILkwnAZcaph0vdnVtZ1LW_qz--ZyWGMF3-g-J7paKWtoo_aem_AQvLkb1G7rPCCykvv-rbR_7oU0eDHqZuel1aAZxrygv3PvxrNqjtG6YSdqDIlVuaw2D0eqbDaGNy3s7oc3lTj-oo
One of my favorite channels as someone who’s leaving Protestantism for orthodoxy
Thank you! We appreciate it! ☦️🔥🔥
If there's anything you want us to address in the future let us know. May God bless you on your journey towards Holy Orthodoxy!
@@TheTransfiguredLife honestly you guys have covered everything I’ve really been seeking answers for 🙏 I am coming from a reformed Calvinist background, really looking forward to the future videos, may god bless you both 🙏
Same here.
Very good questions!
I love hearing from Dr. Humphrey, she's a gem who deserves more exposure.
She's special! ☦️
Saint Cosmas of Aetolos preaches: "I read about priests, and about impious, heretical and atheists; I searched the depths of wisdom; all faiths are false; this I understood to be true, that only the faith of orthodox Christians is good and holy , to believe and be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This I say to you now in the end: rejoice where you are orthodox Christians, and weep for the impious and heretical who walk in darkness
After watching the whole video I want to admit that even though I’ve had Mrs. Humphreys book on my Amazon’s cart for a while now, I’m now even more convinced of buying and reading it with eagerness. Thanks all of you for the great content on the channel; even though I’m not a western “Orthodox”, I do find more connection theologically and personally with the Orthodox preservation of the Faith than with the Roman Catholic and Protestant ones. The “Roman” Catholic tradition is very compelling to me, except in the authoritarianism it has fallen into across history. As for Protestantism, I don’t sympathize very much with it, except for the personal/individual reverence it holds as concerns the Holy Scriptures. I’ve not been able to study a career in theology or church history but I would love to, yet I’ve dedicated a lot of time (I’m just 23 years old though) to reading and studying about the history of our Faith and I’m growing in my confidence that the Faith is Tradition… I recently bought John Zizoulas book “Being As Communion” and have been reading portions of it and it is very profound. But anyways, I wish I could have people like you to talk about all these things that concern the veracity of our Faith as christians… If Dostoyevsky said that “beauty will save the world”, I would say that Tradition will save the Church. May God bless us all with his finger.
Luther, you’re doing an excellent job, thank you. I could listen to this panel all day.
@@Mark-yb1sp Thanks we appreciate that! Much love ☦️
As far as the 'by whose authority ' topic, as someone who was formerly Protestant and now Orthodox, when you hold to sola Scriptura, you are then saying that you yourself are the authority. There is no getting around that fact.
@Bible-Christian What defines a true believer of the faith?
Excellent discussion! Maybe you could have Dr. Edith on again for a discussion on CS Lewis.
Thanks for the idea! We would love to have her again she's great! ☦️
Yes please!
Glory to God! What an episode! That went way too quick!
Please do have Dr Edith back to speak on her other book as well that she mentioned she had elsewhere, as it sounds like a really good topic.
Thank you for putting this out there 🙏
Glory to God! You got it brother! ☦️
What a wonderful interview!
Thank you!! ☦️☦️☦️
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It’s amazing very interesting topics 😊🎉
Are any of you familiar with the work of John Behr on Irenaeus or Lyons? He points out that the way in which Irenaeus saw Scripture and its relationship with the “rule of faith” was very close to the understanding we get from the Protestant Reformation concerning the authority of the Scriptures in relation to the Church.
John Behr is an orthodox scholar, I should have made clear.
Good video. I would disagree with her interpretation of the Catholic view on Sacred Tradition and Scripture. We certainly consider the view of elevating aesthetic or form to the level of sacred tradition if it holds no affirmation from the Magisterium clarifying how the aesthetic and form comprise Sacred Tradition, else fall into a for of idolatry. So we see Sacred Tradition, Scripture, and Thr Magisterium WITH the Pope as the foundation of our faith.
Yes, and it’s also as if we wouldn’t ask if this or that conflict with Scripture (@32:44) when in fact we do, and it’s a concern that she doesn’t seem to know that. Also I was curious to see what doctrine she thinks Catholics added but finally it’s just the papacy, really. Because the truth is Catholics never added anything that wasn’t already there in one form or another. Interesting that it comes down to the big difference between Catholics and Orthodox (besides the Filioque).
@@regis_red "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector" Mathew 18:17. So which Orthodox church should you go to?
@@maxellton
According to St. Ignatius, who was taught by St. Peter and St. John the Evangelist, the whole of the Church exists within the Bishop. So you go to your Bishop.
I'm sorry that I was so compressed in my description of Catholicism and tradition. In my book I give several different Catholic views, and consider them with more care.
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See: Concise Overview of the Critique of Jesus of Nazareth- D.C.S.
This is why defending tradition as authority always seems sus. They spent a bunch of time on how the written word can be corrupted or misinterpreted. With the written word we know what changed and we can go back to verify if someone abused the scripture. With tradition you can’t. Every argument against the written word can be used against tradition and it is ten times worse for tradition. Every time tradition is argued there is lots of equivocation of the use of the term tradition. She mentions the different usages of tradition and then proceeds to not distinguish them most of her talk. Yes, there are positive usages of tradition in the Bible, but all are in context of their present time. When Jesus talks about traditions what is he talking about? Man made traditions that are added to the scriptures, these he describes as a burden and they can even take people away from God. Many of the traditions of today are clearly man made and in addition to the written word.
"They spent a bunch of time on how the written word can be corrupted or misinterpreted." Where did we spend a bunch of time discussing the corruption of the written text?
"To an Orthodox Christian, Tradition means the Holy Bible; it means the Creed; it means the decrees of the Ecumenical Councils and the writings of the Fathers; it means the Canons, the Service Books, the Holy Icons, etc. In essence, it means the whole system of doctrine, ecclesiastical government, worship and art which Orthodoxy has articulated over the ages [Timothy Ware, The Orthodox Church, p.204]."
Tradition is easy to defend because it has been taught by the Fathers and is a historical reality. What's "sus" is those that reject it yet call themselves Christian.
Is there a Bible you all recommend?? I am a Protestant but looking into the orthodox faith. Or is there a book that helps translate the Bible I have to Greek, so I actually know what words are actually used? Thanks for your help!
The OSB is a safe option (Orthodox Study Bible). I recommend the EOB. You will appreciate this bible. ⬇️
EOB: The Eastern Greek Orthodox New Testament: Based on the Patriarchal Text of 1904 with extensive variants a.co/d/03P19Uxb
@@TheTransfiguredLife thank you so much!
There are interlinear Bibles that put the Greek word underneath the English. They aren't a substitute for actually learning Greek, or for reading patristic commentary on the Scriptures, but they are sometimes helpful.
@@edithmhumphrey2254 thank you!
Colossians 2:8
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Stop trying to condemn faithful believers in Christ.. you are NOT the one true church. You are A church and equally part of the body with all.
Where was anyone condemned? Please provide the timestamp.
Also, Colossians 2 is about the "tradition of men" not the Holy Tradition spoken about in scripture. This was covered in the video.
@@TheTransfiguredLife I speak all in love but even so I shall speak it...
to your point.. your assumed holy tradition is just as the Pharisees accounted there traditions as Holy but yet were still Rebuked sharply for them by Christ for they were continually added upon.
Even Peter whom you say is this first pope.. is rebuked as Satan when speaking of things not of God but of man..
Notice the symbolism Jesus is instilling in whom Peter's nature is like..and what subsequently follows is an abundance of man's inspired tradition through the Catholic government/church which gets EXTREMELY in the way of one thing.. Jesus.
The additions of the practice of your traditions ,in essence , are not the condemnation in which I speak of but rather I do see how they are simply worship and honoring components of scripture to glorify God..
HOWEVER this was fine...until they were made crucial for salvation!
Every Catholic and Orthodox needs to start having a Legitimate Truth DISCLAIMER before the video. (Please educate me if this is wrong and I would gladly receive the wisdom)
The Catholic and Orthodox (which expressly disagree with each other) have ANATHEMATIZED every individual that does not accept specific key doctrines about there faith that ARE NOT what Jesus our Lord taught but are the ADOPTED "earthy" additions and traditions of men. These anathema Claim that EVERY PERSON who has rejected these extra biblical additions to the Christian faith.. have been forever EXCOMMUNICATED, BANNED, SEPARATED from The Church of The Lord and have been CONDEMNED to HELL. This is a huge majority of the body of Christ, His ears, nose, eyes!! All trying to be put into flames! This is what you ALL are backing every time you have a debate or speak on a subject.. you all breeze over this like hey no big deal...but by becoming a Catholic/Orthodox you all submit to this! thankfully it is a "false" theology in which Christ personally has dissolved and cast down under His feet. You all need to start realizing that every time you speak you are "trying" to condemn FAITHFUL, HOLY SPIRIT FILLED, Followers and believers of Christ in the body that do not subscribe to these unbiblical anathema and God Forbid But Jesus Christ would never do such a thing.. but you all, would reject that they even are CHRISTIANS! Truly the satan is behind you Peter, I rebuke you... and mind yourself and I pray your faith stands. I'm asking you to wake up to the heinous nature of these anathema and to generally address your part taking place in a despicable crime to God. I met Jesus face to face during a Near Death Experience and I have been given more spiritual authority and had more supernatural experience with Christ in one hour than most in a LIFE TIME and I live now and work with Jesus DIRECTLY in POWER every day, and trust me Jesus is NOT for what these anathema are trying to do! Keep your tradition and honor God with them but they CANNOT condemn those who are not biblically required to practice them as though they were.
This is THE FAITH
Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to
SEPARATE us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 10:6-9
6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”[a] (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’”[b] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[c] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
NOTHING can separate The believer from God and The SIMPLICITY of The GOSPEL is displayed in the second verse.
Confess and be saved... you are all absolutely not following that. If I follow Jesus it seems it would be clear that I could not be following The Catholic faith tradition for His word speaks of something greater and more pure than the condemning of man.
John 1:12-13
But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
" even those who simply believe on his name"
All will come to be saved.
God bless us all in Jesus name and thank you for reading.
Tradition is a delivery. Deliver the delivery is like ‘mailing the mail’.
We get hung up on the word tradition and it’s a flawed English translation.
"Tradition" is a perfectly good translation of paradidomi and paradosis. It is the pejorative connotation given to it by some Protestants that is flawed. And Tradition is not simply delivery but also reception: it is a two-way process.
@@edithmhumphrey2254 this is true. Unfortunately the taint given by Protestants has ruined it. It’s almost like we need to go back to the Greek & school them- which you did here- and give a full lesson on the Greek text. Even the notion of ‘something delivered & received’ seems to be lost w/ protestants. The same root word was used when Christ was ‘delivered’ to Pilate. The word ‘parade’ comes from the same root & It gives a very visual image.
Protestants- when taking all different sects into account- have so many different ‘traditions’ & you did a good job of explaining them. The Revival movement tried to return to ‘the original’ but ended up with even more- SDA,JW, COC, Mormons, etc. Now Hebrew roots is another. Boggles the mind.
@@deekay2680, thanks for this! "Parade" actually is from the Latin paro, parare, paravi, paratum, and means "something prepared."
ALL denominations are man made including Catholic, Orthodoxy, Protestant, etc...
Jesus condemned tradition. They often got in the way of God's commands~
Traditions made up by men, not traditions full stop
Jesus condemned the traditions of the Pharisees..'the traditions of men'.. That is not the same thing as the Holy traditions of the Church that was taught to the Apostles by Christ Himself, and later Paul compelled the Church to hold fast to them in 2 Thes. 2:15 .
If your church is the true church then you should have the tomb of the apostle..
Huh?
We also have many relics of saints
Why does this have to be a criteria for authenticity? The true church is the church lead by the spirit John 16:13 following apostolic tradition 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and founded by Jesus Matthew 16:18
Catholic here...and for me..catholic is the true church....the tomb of saint Peter is in Rome basilica of saint Peter..
Don't forget the Traditional Catholics! We're not all adherents of Vatican I and/or II.
Why are you catholic if you reject the Vatican councils? If the pope can be in error when leading an infallible council then your whole system falls apart.
@@airpodman1259 Why? Because the Church has been infiltrated from within. By whom exactly? Well, I will leave that up to you to investigate. They had tried for centuries without success. After World War 2, things changed though. It is still the One True Church (The Seat of Peter) run by a few corrupt men. Hence there are Bishops and Cardinals leaving and organising their own traditional masses that stay true to Sacred Tradition. So, yes I am a traditionalist, not a fan of modernism in the Church. That's it really.
Look who's calling the kettle black. Satan himself.
Only the Holy Bible and Jesus are infallible so tradition when placed next to the word sacred is blasphemy
Let me ask you a question. Since the first 200 years of the faith didn't have anything but the OT, how was Christianity taught? By Tradition. Even Paul says so. And you owe your NT to the church. You're welcome.
@@CenterPorchNP Tradition is fine but its not HOLY and Perfect
@@julz.c Tradition is fine but its not HOLY and Perfect and infallible
Friend, where did you get your Bible? Where did you get those precise books in your Bible? Where did you get your English Translation? You believe that the Bible speaks to you today in English. Jesus spoke in Aramaic; the NT books are in Greek. Do you need to know those words, or do you trust the Holy Spirit to deliver them to you in English, through the Christian people that have translated and transmitted them to you? That is Holy Tradition.