How to choose the right board in windsurfing! The basics of what you need to know.
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2021
- We are back with another video! Another long video... I know, I know! I promise I will make my next ones shorter.
This video we will be touching on the subject of boards and how to choose the right one. This goes for people thinking of buying a board or maybe for those visiting a windsurf centre and wanting to know a little extra in order to make the right choice!
The subject of boards has a lot of things that we could talk about and so much information we could go really in depth on but not in this video! In this video we will be sticking with the basics and answering some of the frequent questions I get from customer coming to Windsurfers' World or followers asking for advice online.
So we will be basically looking into just 2 things:
1. Volume of a board
2. Shape of a board
I keep it as simple as possible so hopefully even the most inexperienced can get some advice!
Hope this video helps someone and if you enjoy it dont forget to Like, Subscribe and drop a comment with any questions or even to just say hello!
See you on the water! :)
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Great info not just for renting but also buying!There are no demos available in Canada so most people buy online. This is the only cross brand review/comparison video on UA-cam, keep them coming. Bottom shape video as well as the sail video would be great.
Thank you! I am glad it helps... I will put the other videos on my list :)
I thought it was my board there for a sec.pretty good intro btw
You dont own a board.... YET!
Hey Kyriakos, I rented gear a couple of years ago from your place in Rhodes. Thanks again for the great help and great restaurant tips. Ofcourse instantly subscribed to your channel. Great work!
Thank you for your kind words!
I hope you enjoyed your stay in Rhodes and I hope we see you again! :)
It doesn't matter how long this video is man! After days of research, and looking at listings online I still keep coming back to your video because it's packed with all the right information! Thank you! 🙏🏼
I am glad you liked it and glad I could help! Maybe I will make a special 5hr long video just for you with all the info I have in my head! hahahaha
New rider from Cyprus here. Incredible and very informative video! helped me make my first choice. Cant wait for more!
Thanks! I hope it helps with what you need :)
If you're a beginner and go for a board that is only bodyweight + 10L, you will be VERY frustrated.
This video applies to advanced riders only.
As a beginner you want AT LEAST 140L regardless of your bodyweight
Hi, many thanks for your help to us.
Great, simply and clever.
Best winds
Thank you! I hope it helps :)
Great video, gave me plenty to think about (being a tall heavyset amateur looking out for a board to buy).
I am glad it helped you! If you have any specific questions I can help you with on your search for a board, dont hesitate to ask!
Learnt tons on this video. Had no idea. Thanks you tons Sir!
Glad I could help! Keep learning!
Great video! I would like to see videos on waterstart and recovery in waves and tougher conditions.
Hey, thank you!
I do have a video on waterstarting so check that out :)
ua-cam.com/video/9wS7Q__aaGA/v-deo.html
Very comprehensive Video, right to the point! 🙏 make a Video on how to ride different boards (freestyle, wave, freeride..)
Thank you!
Do you mean the different styles of riding?
That is a pretty interesting idea... :)
There are not good videos on riding styles. It would be a great idea to cover that subject
This Video helped me so much! Thank you!
Glad to be of service! :)
Very well done, I am 38 and 2 years surfing, no know little bit more about board. One day will come to this site of world or Kos island to surf. I have RRD evo 360 158L and bought used tabou rocker 125L. This year coal is waterstart.
I am glad you liked the video!
Sounds like a good plan! Good luckw ith your waterstarts...
I hope this can helps you:
ua-cam.com/video/9wS7Q__aaGA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=KyriakosGiakoumarosWindsurfCoaching
Another great video nice and simply perfect any chance of a video on self help (broken /mast/ boom /fin and how to get back to beach .
That is an interesting idea... will keep it in mind and try to make one! Would probably have to wait for summer to film in warmer water :D
Top class ! Please keep up the good work. 😒 More boards needed 👏😁😁
Thank you!!! :D
There are never enough boards...
Please make one about sails!
Will put it on the list! :)
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind 🇪🇪🤙🇬🇷
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind has the video about sails been made already? Or what sail do you use with your 96l tabou?
@@MM-kz9pd Not been made yet due to lack of time!!!
However the sail range on most boards is pretty big so it has to do mostly with your conditions and style. For me I use a 4.5 Manic with my 96 litre Tabou 3s+
Very interesting and informative. Thanks
I miss your videos :) pls keep it up !
Thank you for you kind words.
I am not done making videos its just that in the summer I am super busy running my windsurf and wingfoil centres in Rhodes.
Check out Windsurfers' World and Reckless Riders Rhodes
Excellent. Thanks.
Thank you! Hope it helps
How you maneuver the boards in and out without hitting the others is impressiv!
Years of experience! :D
Very good!!!
Thank you! :)
Hi, many thanks for the informative video. Would be great if you include some information on the difference between long and short boards? Thanks much!
Hey! No problem! Hope it helps :)
Will be making some more videos soon but just some quick info on board length:
I would say the main difference is in the maneuverability of the boards. So a shorter board will maneuver and turn much faster and smoother but a long board will not. On the other hand, longer boards usually get planning sooner and have a higher top speed.
excellent video!!!!!!
Thank you! Glad you liked it :)
I found your video great. The scenery is so beautiful. Wish I could go there once. Thank you so I found your video great. The scenery is so bea. I like too. Good like tooooooo!!......!’
Thank you! You should really visit Rhodes... it is an amazing place :)
Would be great to have a similar video on sails and sizes
Planning to make one as soon as I have the time! Stay posted :)
Ευχαριστώ πολύ, με ξεμπερδέψατε!
Παρακαλω! Παντα χαρα μου να βοηθαω!
Great and very well rounded up video! Keep it up good Sir! I'm around 120kg kg beginner windsurfer - I'm thinking between a used JP Magic Ride or a Fanatic Gecko for my first board - but the bigger boards (150+l) in this categorys all have a dagger board. That beeing said, I dont know if thats fun after a couple months...?
Hey! i am glad you liked it!
You are right that a dagger board will not be fun after a while! But I am positive that the JP Magic Ride has boards around 150lt without a middle fin.
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind thank you for the reply! If we're allowed to travel again this summer here in germany i'll bring my gf to rhodos's windsurfers world and give it a try 😉
@@Riseagainstandi Sounds like a plan! We are here and waiting... hopefully you can make it out! :)
Nice video! What would you recommend as freeride in choppy condition for someone learning to carve jibe? JP Super Ride? Kode? What do they mean by bump and jump? Thanks
Hey! Thank you!
first of pump and jump is when the water is choppy with small wakes (not really rolling waves). So its good for some burtsing around, jumping, carving etc...
As for a freeride board like I said it depends what you want it for... If you are looking for a dedicated freeride board the Tabou Rocket is an amazing and smooth board. The JP Super Ride you mentioned is also a super nice board. A bit shorter in length but if you get used to it its a board that you can advance a lot with and even start getting into slalom with. Both amazing choices....
The other option would be smth like Kode or JP freewave but those fall under the freestyle wave category although they are still fantastic boards to burst around on, especially if you conditions are on the messy side!
Hope this helps :)
Kind of explains why I'm struggling on a 111 litre JP magic ride, after using a 161 litre Starboard carve (which I still very much enjoy). Being at the lower end of intermediate, 80kgs, what would you suggest for my next challenge?
I want to see a video with the sails please
Read a story recently about a guy swimming for one night due to have chosen a sinker.. Good point choosing a board which carries the rider’s weight.
That is a dangerous and unpleasant scenario! Sinkers of that sort are only necessary in super strong winds and aggressive conditions... especially with new boards, the bigger volumes feel so easy that there is no need to take smaller. :)
Thanks for the video!! It helps but I still have a question 😁.
I have been windsurfing for 25 years, mainly into waveriding. I have less time to sail but I want to go into freestyle. I speed loop and I start to Vulcan. I am 60kg and bought a 87l ignite from 2020, but even with my combat 5.3, it needs wind… so I want to buy a bigger freestyle board for lighter winds. What would you recommend between a tabou twister 93 and 103 (from 2022)?
Thanks for your insights
Hey!
Firstly I would say you should change the sail to be honest. Freestyle sails are usually much better for early and lightwind starting, especially compared to a combat.
However, to answer you actual question for our weight I would go for the 93 twister. It will feel as small and easy to move around as your 87 but gets plannign much faster. The 103 also remains a valid option for very light winds as its still as short as the 93 but I think you dont really need the extra volume.
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind tkanks for answering so fast :)
Hi. Great videos man! I just wanna start with windsurfing (complete beggener) I need your advice what type (volume) of board should I find and what size of sail. I'm 50 years old and 100 kilos heawy. And one more thing... can I go on a calm windy lake and try to teach my self? Regards from Sarajevo, Bosnia.
Hey! Of course its possible but will be much harder than going to a school and taking at least a couple of lessons to get the basics. Also buying equipment at your level is not generally advised because you will soon want to change to something more advanced! If you are thinking of starting on more advance equipment from the start then that will make your learning period even harder!
Excellent video and thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I’m a 50 year old that would love to get back into sail boarding, I do have experience from my 20’s when I used to go and hire them.
Are these models available in Australia 🇦🇺 and if there are any subscribers on here from Australia what are some great shops I could contact ?
Thanks in advance 👍
Hi Darrin!
I am glad you liked the video and that it helped!
I dont know much about the situation in Australia but I am sure JP-Australia must have some boards there! Hopefully someone else can answer your question here! :)
Hey Darrin. I am also a 50-year old getting into sailboarding. I grew up sailing dinghies, but all the cool kids are riding sail boards, so I have to keep up with my kids! Try SurfFX on the Gold Coast. I have been riding a Fanatic Gecko and loving it, although I have nothing to compare it against.
Hello there I would like to know how much weight a 104 liter board can take ?!
Very useful video, efxaristo para poli!
I have Bullitt 155L and Matrix 7,2 sail. I'm with full gear ca. 70kg. I know its hard to answer that question but what board (volume) would be good allrounder for freeride? I cant do waterstart and i dont ride in footsatraps, yet :)
Thank you for you kind words...
Yes its is hard to answer that question because it depends a lot on your level and the wind power. But most importantly you must first learn footstraps and waterstart as soon as possible! (I have some videos on these to help)
However, I am guessing from the size of you sail that you ride in light wind conditions mostly so you should stick to a floaty board. Maybe for your weight something around 115-120 when you are at a good level... if you want first a board to get better on from your 155 you could drop down to a 125-130 freeride board!
I hope this helps
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind Thank you, it definitely helps and cleard out some things for me.
I want be a long distance surfer but I am also a beginner and I am around 70kg and 190cm , What would you suggest?
I need a confident booster as I don't handle sails over 4.0 well being 50 kilos, 6'2 and 65 yrs old. I sail in very gusty flat water conditions that are rarely ideal. I am not in footstraps, harness and have made only a few sucessful beach starts. I have a 145 liter Tabou guru no dagger and it feels super comfortable until I get power in the sail at >18 knots. Have my eye on the JP magic but am not sure of the number of liters. Weight is also important as I find that I struggle with carrying my 145 liters alone. Am open t another Tabou am would love if you made a suggestion. Thank you for all you do for the windsurf community.
The magic ride is definitely a nice board for the conditions and level you describe. I think you would be happy with one.
As for the volume it depends how often your want to change your boards. For example a 129 MR would be the next easy step but you would get used to it pretty fast and want to change down again.
i would go for something like a MR 119. Although it sounds small it actually has the same width as many 135 freeride boards and due to your light weight you dont really care about the volume. Also can be used in a variety of conditions!
Hope this helps!
Thx K. I will probably go down to 109 liters as many of my fellow club members who have seen me surf say that I should be able to handle it. Although your suggestion may be a bit more appropiate, the new lxt 2021 model might get me planing even with a small sail. If all else fails I will have tocheck out your coaching skills in real life. Its on my bucket list.
@@claudiafrers8923 Its always good to push yourself as much as possible! So if you are happy going for the 109 do it!
And if you ever need real life coaching you know where to find me! :)
Finally pulled the trigger on MR 119 as you originally suggested. It has been such an extraordinary game changer. No need to adapt..and I have been so much more in the water and reaching new levels. Been following the comments on your videos and am so happy to see you getting the praise and appreciation you deserve for your generous contribution to the windsurf community. Thx.
Rails, concaves, side-shape, nose lift, fins, tail-shape. We need moar info! ("why does a slalom board have this shape compared to wave.. etc")
Hey! Like I mentioned in the video I am only giving the very basic specifications for people first time trying to choose a board. If I were to go in depth it would be too much info!
So hopefully in the future I will be able to make another video describing more in detail info like what you just mentioned!
Stay posted! :)
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind Oh ofcourse! I just meant for a future video. This video is great as is.
Reason I'm asking for those specifics because there seems to be little to none of those around yet!
@@Apoz That is mainly because of the amount of information one would have to give and the many different options. Making it a hard video to make and one that is probably never completely perfect :D
But if i get the chance I will try the best i can to give the most complete info! If you have any specific questions dont hesitate to ask... I might be able to help! :)
Heyy i have a question are the new boards like the tabou twister 2018 2019 etc good for beginner freestyle windsurfers, or will older versions better for beginners. Im asking this because i want 2 know if learning a vulcan or flaka is easier on a newer shaped board or older?
I would say that it doesnt really matter because if you are new to the moves then your will simply get used to doing them on whatever board you have!
However, if I was gonna be picky I would say that the older boards are better for vulcan and flaka because of the extra length. I have to stress the being picky part!
I absolutely love the new boards!
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind thanks for the response and i agree, i have the tabou twister 2018 now and its sick so not gonne switch but i was just wondering🤙🏼
Speaking of shapes and volumen... How big should go a light sailor? Because, apparently, I've been riding oversized boards my whole life. Being 65Kg and sailing most of the time with 6.4m on a lake, I'm thinking to replace my current freeride board with a JP's SuperRide 113. I guess 68cm wide is sweet spot for 6.4 -6.6 and 14-15knots + but I'm considering also the 102 model, less floaty but more in control when conditions get on. What would be your recommendation, Kyriakos?
Hello Tom,
It is really hard to say without having seen you, your riding and style or the conditions you ride it.
The gear you ride now may be considered oversized but dont forget the matter of style. So if that is your style and what you are happy with then its not "wrong". However, if you havent tried other style then I do recommend you do that.
AS for the gear you mentioned, first I should say I really do like the Super Ride and it is a board that get planing easily. It is also quite a short board for its style so that makes it feel more maneuverable.
So 113 would not be a bad choice and it would be safe for light winds. But for the wind you mentioned and if you get chop or waves then the 102 will probably be much more comfortable and under control. Also, 102 for your weight should be no problem at all!
Personally, in your shoes, I would go for the 102 but like i said it is also a matter of style and knowing your conditions.
Hope this helps! Enjoy! :D
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind Thanks for your advice!
@@TomKazanskyPolakow Glad to help! :)
Hey Kyriakos, great video. I'm 62 and looking to get back into surfing. Haven't done it for 40 yrs. I'm looking at the Tabou 3S as the allround one for me and my conditions. Do you think the 106ltr version has enough volume for my weight, 70kg + rig (Gaastra Matrix 5.7, 100% carbon RDM mast, Tiki boom), say 25kg. I could waterstart OK and am quite fit now but am just a little worried i might not be able to uphaul if i need to. Conditions here can get choppy (Costa Blanca). Thanks. PS - i used to sail an F2 Starlit semi sinker, 195cm. It came factory fitted with oxygen tank and periscope. I don't want that malarkey again.
Hey!
First let me say welcome back!
Second, it is highly recommended to try out the board if you can simply because you can never suggest a board to someone and be 100% sure they will like it. No matter how well you know them.
Of course trying out boards first is not always an option, I understand that.
The volume you mention should be plenty but for uphauling there might still be a challenge! Not to say that it is not possible. I have uphauled on my 96 and I am 90kg! Its just a matter of practice.
Are you aiming for the classic 3S or the 3S+ ?
I am not too familiar with the classic as it feels more like a small freeride board rather than a pure freewave board. But due to its length you might find the 3S classic easier for starting and balancing. The 3S+ on the other hand resembles more of a wave board so although the volume is there the shape makes it feel a little smaller.
Again I should mention my experience with the 3S classic is limited!
One more thing I would say, is that like I mention in the video bigger models of these boards still feel quite small and if you check dimensions they hardly (if at all) make them longer. So if you want something extra safe you could even think of 116.
But I think you would enjoy the 106 more longterm especially and like I said the volume is plenty!!!
Hope this helps! Feel free to ask anything else
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind Thanks a lot for your feedback. I'm going to see a second hand 3S Classic 2moro. It's a 116 ltr. so i will soon find out.
@@fedup3449 I hope you find what you are looking for!
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind I've been persuaded to change to a Rocket 135. More buoyancy but still high speed and good in the chop apparently. I'll let you know when i finally get out on it. Might even make a video of first outing in 40 years!
@@fedup3449 The tabou rocket is a nice boards. I am sure you will enjoy it!
And making a video sounds like a great idea!
I’ve been leaning on a older Tabou Rocket 125 around 2009 and it seems that my strap location (front) is right out near the edge of the board but the modern boards you have seem to have their straps much further in. I know straps can be moved but it looks like your boards they won’t even go out that far so has there been a change in theory in that having your straps a bit further in us better?
I don't think so... the theory behind straps remains the same. The more out on the edge they are they will be harder to get into but they provide more control and speed. The more inboard they are the easier they are to get into but you will loose some of the above. The modern boards we have here still have the option to go right out to the edge for sure. If anything there are even more strap inserts in the boards giving more options than before.
Hope that helps a little.
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind thanks, useful to know. Hope you and your business has been ok with all the fires over there.
@@russellscott1151 The fires were in the South part of the island which is far away from where we are. Although davestating for the nature and some villages in the area the situation in Rhodes have been greatly exaggerated by the news in other countries. People are fine and Rhodes in safe to visit.
Thank you for your concern
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind glad to hear it
Im looking for a super fast board, that isn’t s sensitive as the slalom.
Or if u have to suggest me a durable slalom board .. thank you
From the boards I have personally tried ( and I dont usually ride for speed or slalom ) I would say the JP Superride is a nice board and I also really enjoy the Rocket 115lt carbon construction.
Not sure if they are fast enough for you but especially the Super ride has a kind of slalom feel to it but with the construction and easy of a freeride.
Hope this helps!
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind thank you Kyriakos, if tou know any slalom that i can trust for durability pls tell me. I read that fmx invictus is stronger than others
@@ErmisAnargyrosAvgoustidis havent had any experience with them but generally slalom will always be more fragile! hope you find what you are looking for
What types of windsurf exist? I just know waves/freestyle, slalom and freeride
Those are the basic I guess and the most well know! But there are definitely more... a quick google search will probably give you a more comprehensive list than I will!
But windsurfing is more diverse than you think So look into it. You might just find your next style! :)
Hey! I'm 100-ish KG beginner/intermediate, and hesitating between freewave or wave. I sail in Sangatte ( northern france) which is a wave focused spot, but i'm heavy... So what should I do? Thanks
Beginner in wave sailing i should say* ( i did slalom on lake before) 🤟
Hey Simon,
I am also a heavy rider and I love wave sailing. There are a lot of good options out there for bigger wave boards and it all comes down to your conditions and your style.
Personally, I prefer a good freewave board that has the ability to cut hard and will still get me planing easier and faster through turns and through shore break. My board of choice is the 96lt 3S plus from Tabou and i like riding as small a sail as possible so the bigger board helps. (I am approx 90kg)
Goya also has nice and similar boards to that both in their wave and freewave range.
Hope this helps and let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.
Im in a dilema. Im 202cm tall and 135kg of weight. What board would be right for me?
Hey Rok!
Like I mentioned during the video this all depends a lot on your style, level and most common conditions, such as windspeed and water state.
If you have strong winds you could be happy with a board around 130 but if you have light wind then I would guess something like a 145lt +
I have a customer similar to your size and weight and he loves using the Magic Ride series from JP-Australia. Specifically the 149 and 154lt
Hope this helps!
It helped a lot... im looking for my first board so i think i will go with 160 that is being sold used
Hi, so you think it's possible to sail at around 135kg? I understand it's very weight related.
I am 6'9 as well
Of course... there is a huge variety of equipment and styles to choose from! Obviously being heavy might have some things that it will make much harder, like getting into freestyle etc, but generally you can get nice freeride boards at 145lt or 160lt so riding is not a problem. :)
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind thanks alot for the answer.
What sail size do in your opinion? I guess around 10 meters?
@@simonclarent3742 Really depends on your wind! But unless you are riding in very light wind I dont think you need to go that big.
Also, remember that although it takes time to learn, better technique means you can use a smaller sail :)
Καλησπέρα Κυριάκο,
με 115 lt σκάφος & πανιά 4.2 η 6.0 μ (βάρος 72kg) ποιες είναι οι ιδανικές συνθήκες αέρα για πλανάρισμα αν κάποιος μπαίνει δέστρες κ γάντζο;
Γεια σου Δημητρη!
Η ερωτηση σου βασιζεται πολυ στο επιπεδο του αναβατη και το στυλ του.
Για παραδειγμα εγω που ειμαι βαρυς (90κιλα) αλλα εχω εμπειρια και κανω πιο πολυ freestyle χρησιμοποιω 4.8 πανι και 100 λιτρα σε 18 κομβους και πανω. Καποιος με τα ιδια κιλα αλλα λιγοτερη εμπειρια μπορει να χρειαζεται 5.2 σε αντιστοιχεσ συνθηκες. Επισης, καποιος που κανει αλλο στυλ οπους freeride, slalom κλπ επισης θα θελει μεγαλυτερο πανι.
Αλλα για να σου δωσω μια απαντηση θα ελεγα για το 4.2 γυρο στους 25 κομβους και για το 6.0 απο15-20 κομβους. Αλλο οπως ειμαι αυτα μπορει να μην ισχυουν καθολου αναλογα με τις μεταβλητες.
Ελπιζω να καταλαβες :)
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind Σε ευχαριστω για την απάντηση, με κάλυψες!
very good!! what about the same kind of video but on sails?
Thank you!
I will put it on the list and see what I can do! :D
Help please selling 2nd hand for 890 CAD
I’m 5”9 and 180 pounds
Thoughts on budgets less then 1k
Specs
Length 372cm
Width 70cm
Volume 230 litres
Sail Neil Pryde 6.0 m
good job 😰
Thanks! :)
@@kyriakosgiakoumaroswingandwind windsurfersworld forever
Hi, tks your information.
Pls help me, I'm going to buy a board in Miami. And I don't shure for me.
Pls your suggestion
My weight is 80/85 Kg, and the wind here in Playas Ecuador Is about 14/16 knots.
I saw characteristic from Starboard Carve 125 liter's 2021.
Pls your assistance. Sorry my english
Hello! I am glad you liked the video...
Unfortunately I cannot give you a correct answer because what board you will choose depends on your level, your style and also the conditions (waves, wind and more)
If you are a good rider and you want a freeride board for that wind anything over 115 liters should be good. After that you should look at the width and length of the board to see what suits u.
The Starboard Carve is a nice freeride board for sure and easy planing. So I am sure you will enjoy it. Also the Tabou Rockets I know are smooth and easy to use. There is not a huge difference between pure freeride boards in those liters so dont worry too much and buy something you can possible get a good deal on or even better something you can test first to see if you like it.
Hope this helps a little :)
Tks very much for answer. I'm a freeride and I looking velocity and board for easy jib because I don't expert
@@eduardogranja3904 Well like I said before the Carve is a good board and I find the Rocket smooth and easy.
Another 2 boards that you might want to check are JP Magic Ride (this one is wide and helps you progress, also it can get planing easily as long as the waves are not big) AND JP Super Ride is a more advanced board that is short and smooth but also very fast. This board will be harder to start with but allows alot of progress.
No, sorry but Volume is something different. Volume is the mass of the board. The bigger the mass, the stronger is the force from the surface of the water to the board (see big container ships, cruise ships etc..) Pls avoid scientific explanations. Volume is not the max weight you can apply on the board. So, you too you are between the people who dnt know what is the Volume. Sorry.
American here. Holy shit, just realized how easy the metric system is. 90 liters is 90kg of displacement. And I learned it from a Greek, go figure.
Haha yes there is a reason most of the world uses metric. Simplifies a lot of things :D