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  • As Margaret (Gillian Anderson) sits with the Royal Family at a Scottish traditions event, she tells her husband that the country needs to change fundamentally from top to bottom.
    From Season 4, Episode 2: The Balmoral Test
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  • @joryadamson7854
    @joryadamson7854 20 днів тому +492

    Watching this episode, it felt like Thatcher was expecting the weekend at Balmoral to be a working weekend where she and the Queen would spend all day going through the Red Boxes

    • @arynrowland862
      @arynrowland862 20 днів тому +64

      Probably a better use of time than the usual royal minutiae.

    • @here_we_go_again2571
      @here_we_go_again2571 19 днів тому +40

      @@arynrowland862
      Thatcher was a workaholic
      who did not know how to
      relax. The BRF .... reflect
      the British people European
      royals have always poked
      fun at the BRF's "middle class"
      attitudes. Because they sat
      through the Highland games
      and spent so much time
      visiting the "common" people.

    • @boscovilante4068
      @boscovilante4068 16 днів тому +21

      The show is depicting Thatcher as a revolutionary here and I think there's truth to that.

    • @joshuaclement1161
      @joshuaclement1161 13 днів тому

      It was the end of the post-war consensus.

    • @zacmumblethunder7466
      @zacmumblethunder7466 6 днів тому +4

      ​@boscovilante4068 People always assume Tories are fervent Royalists. But they're not. They hate the idea that we have a non-politucal head of state.

  • @martin13145
    @martin13145 20 днів тому +342

    Gillian Anderson's expression in this scene reminds me of a quote about Thatcher attributed to French president François Mitterrand: "She had the lips of Marilyn Monroe and the eyes of Caligula".

    • @andrewnorth6472
      @andrewnorth6472 20 днів тому +33

      I've always thought that Mitterrand wanted to say 'the eyes of Hitler' but didn't dare to go that far.

    • @edwardmuse2106
      @edwardmuse2106 19 днів тому +10

      HER FALL WAS A BLESSING TO THE WORLD

    • @sylvaineusebe2924
      @sylvaineusebe2924 17 днів тому +11

      @@andrewnorth6472 Nah he would never have done that. Keep in mind he respected her, despite the disagreements. He was a strong support for her during Falklands.
      Also he would have avoided that, because the risk of some backfire regarding his own past during WWII would have been too strong.

    • @m.ceniza4688
      @m.ceniza4688 17 днів тому +9

      @@andrewnorth6472 Thatcher was a negligent, divisive leader but definitely no Hitler. That man was a different kind of crazy.

    • @user-sv2pt4xj9t
      @user-sv2pt4xj9t 16 днів тому +5

      @@andrewnorth6472Let’s not trivialise the Nazis..

  • @thomasllewelynjones5546
    @thomasllewelynjones5546 18 днів тому +413

    I love how she and Dennis says the Royal Family are boorish, snobbish, and rude, while they are there sneering at the traditions and the Royals interacting with the common people and they’re sticking in the VIP tent

    • @allshookup1640
      @allshookup1640 18 днів тому +32

      I am American so the RF has nothing to do with me at all. However, I always found it so nice that the RF spent time to speak with the people and interact with them. They don’t ignore them and float above it all. They shakes hands with the people, go to events, and speak to them. They are still Royal and carry themselves as such, but I always thought that was nice

    • @anthonyferris8912
      @anthonyferris8912 17 днів тому +25

      Worth remembering it's not a documentary.

    • @ArmyJames
      @ArmyJames 17 днів тому

      The worst part about Margaret Thatcher was her hypocrisy.

    • @NUSORCA
      @NUSORCA 17 днів тому +7

      Worth remembering we were in Cold War

    • @ArmyJames
      @ArmyJames 17 днів тому

      The worst part about Margaret Thatcher was the hypocrisy.

  • @ToniT-to9rr
    @ToniT-to9rr 20 днів тому +163

    The Balmoral Test, perhaps my favorite S4 episode. Loved the juxtaposition of Thatcher and Diana handling the challenge.

    • @michelletodd4893
      @michelletodd4893 18 днів тому

      Because she didn't want to tromp around in cold, muddy land; killing any thing & everything. Staying in a cold old castle with furniture you couldn't sit in because it was "Queen Victorias" Well get rid of the worn out chair. She was the Prime Minister. How dare the "royals" test her. For what. The joy of snickering. Because nothing better to do.

    • @bananamanchester4156
      @bananamanchester4156 16 днів тому +2

      Indeed! Diana had a modicum of charisma and respect for people as human beings. Margaret on the other hand...

    • @joshuaclement1161
      @joshuaclement1161 13 днів тому +10

      Diana was able to pass the challenge because she was already an aristocrat and grew up around the royal family and their staff. Her grandmother was a lady of the bedchamber to the Queen Mother. It would have been more remarkable if she hadn't known how to behave. Thatcher, on the other hand, was from a lower middle-class background and didn't know the unspoken assumptions and rituals of aristocrats.

    • @JoanMorrison-vq2jc
      @JoanMorrison-vq2jc 11 днів тому +2

      @@joshuaclement1161 It was "remarkable" how the devious Diana fooled Charles and the royal family ( except for Princess Ann ) when Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral. I'm guessing Diana is officially a grown woman now and at 19 a woman just has to do what she has to do to get that title of Princess of Wales. Poor Charlie - people don't see his side. What a selfish, stubborn and spoiled shrew Diana was!!

    • @zacmumblethunder7466
      @zacmumblethunder7466 6 днів тому +1

      ​@@joshuaclement1161Diana passed the test because her father and stepmother tutored on what to say and do. They never bothered to wonder how she'd cope with being expected to go traipsing through wet heather on _every_ holiday when she'd rather be shopping in Knightsbridge.

  • @zakatista5246
    @zakatista5246 19 днів тому +89

    I can't imagine how anyone wouldn't love Balmoral.

    • @AlexS-oj8qf
      @AlexS-oj8qf 18 днів тому +17

      It’s rural and muddy

    • @allshookup1640
      @allshookup1640 18 днів тому +6

      Right!? I would LOVE to go there for a visit. I would LOVE to watch these games! They seem like they would be so incredibly fun!

    • @envinyatar5712
      @envinyatar5712 18 днів тому +5

      As a Mediterranean, I wouldn't love it probably. Its climate is colder and far too rainier for my taste. Not enough sunlight.

    • @anonUK
      @anonUK 17 днів тому +1

      ​@@AlexS-oj8qf
      And co-o-o-ld. Even for Northern Scotland.

    • @AlexS-oj8qf
      @AlexS-oj8qf 17 днів тому

      @@anonUK Haha I look it up and it’s in a valley I bet it is windy af 😆

  • @louthegiantcookie
    @louthegiantcookie 17 днів тому +86

    A bit strange for the Thatchers to lambaste this event as 'half-Germanic, half-Scottish' - when we English are ourselves a strange blend of German and Celtic influences. It certainly doesn't paint them in a very flattering light to be so judgemental and bigoted.

    • @muhammadrizqiandrian2910
      @muhammadrizqiandrian2910 16 днів тому +6

      With a touch of french viking, dont forget

    • @TheShamblingUnknown
      @TheShamblingUnknown 15 днів тому +6

      I thought it was a reference to The Windsors being Saxe Coburg Gotha.

    • @XAKatiyax
      @XAKatiyax 15 днів тому +1

      remember this is fictional. I truly doubt she said anything like this just like how the Lord Mountbatten plot of forming a coup was based on rumours not reality.

    • @joshuag.4873
      @joshuag.4873 15 днів тому +2

      Damn actors. Damn script…!

    • @Stefanthenautilus
      @Stefanthenautilus 15 днів тому

      @@muhammadrizqiandrian2910 And Norse Viking, as one heads north

  • @fsm___
    @fsm___ 23 години тому +1

    I just love how the show portrayed with subtlety the fact that Thatcher didn't really care for the people.

  • @usagi18
    @usagi18 20 днів тому +112

    I thought Tatcher was an obnoxious snob in this scene... then my hometown's cattle festival started, I see her point now.

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому +6

      She was an obnoxious snob in this scene. But then she was an obnoxious snob in reality.

    • @usagi18
      @usagi18 15 днів тому

      @@JimMac23 for better or worse,a butt-kicking obnoxious snob.

    • @Kai555100
      @Kai555100 14 днів тому +3

      ​@@JimMac23I mean thouse people participating in these activities she obviously hates are the hard working people for which she claims to stay for

    • @hans7686
      @hans7686 12 днів тому +9

      She was criticizing the royal family not the people at the festival.

    • @usagi18
      @usagi18 12 днів тому +1

      @@hans7686 there are also rich specimens at the cattle festival. They're the ones dressed up as Woody from Toy Story at the VIP area

  • @joshuaclement1161
    @joshuaclement1161 13 днів тому +32

    While Thatcher comes across as grumpy and bigoted here, her point is that she's a very busy woman running a government and is frustrated that she's sitting watching what is essentially a country fair when she has a million things to do in London. Also, is it Scotland and the Scottish she's being critical of, or the royals and their (what seems to her) pointless activities?

    • @hans7686
      @hans7686 12 днів тому +5

      Given that the camera pans to the right and focuses directly on the royal family I'd say she was criticizing them.

    • @IrishCarney
      @IrishCarney День тому +2

      And one of the benefits of having a parliamentary system is supposed to be that the figurehead head of state is supposed to do all the feel-good ceremonial stuff like this, and the actual head of government is freed up to do the actual running of government executive affairs. While the President of the United States (which merges both roles) has to spend time pardoning turkeys and throwing out the first pitch of the baseball season etc.

    • @jaylam
      @jaylam 20 годин тому

      @@IrishCarneyI actually think the Secretary of State is the real dogs body and does most of the actual work.

  • @123brownjames
    @123brownjames 18 днів тому +22

    She definitely didn’t take to Scotland sadly, but she was a monarchist and a big fan of the Queen Mother apparently.

  • @dianecrow6068
    @dianecrow6068 16 днів тому +8

    In my view, Margaret is fully aware of the mess that the UK is and Margaret cannot understand how the BRF is so unconcerned.

  • @aperson22222
    @aperson22222 6 днів тому +3

    The ominous music that swells with “top to bottom” seems to suggest Thatcher’s plotting some sort of revolution. 😂

  • @edwinfeindt8055
    @edwinfeindt8055 13 днів тому +11

    I don't like Mrs. Thatcher, but Gillian Andersons impersonation is so wonderful!

  • @brianhodgman3542
    @brianhodgman3542 20 днів тому +166

    "bread and circuses" -- politicians who can't understand the simple desires of their constituents shouldn't be in representative government...

    • @freemason4979
      @freemason4979 20 днів тому +28

      She saw it for what it was

    • @SamBrickell
      @SamBrickell 20 днів тому +1

      Tv shows have writers. Writers are ALMOST ALWAYS on the left. Leftists will always portray those in the Right poorly. (Also the average age of writers on this tv show means they were likely either not alive, or not adults during the time when Thatcher was prime minister.)

    • @arynrowland862
      @arynrowland862 20 днів тому

      “Bread and circuses” is used by ineffective leadership to distract from very real problems. She wanted to be in government, not a pageant.

    • @here_we_go_again2571
      @here_we_go_again2571 19 днів тому

      @@freemason4979
      Thatcher was an
      elitist. The same
      type of person who
      dominate the WEF.

    • @dan_38
      @dan_38 18 днів тому +19

      ​@freemason4979 and mishandled it in the worst way possible, and not just her. Diana also noticed the bread and circuses, and also mishandled it in her own way.
      Thatcher:taking them away led to a widespread financial crises that many low to average citizens still never fully recovered to this day.
      Diana: gave herself over to the circuses so much, that the people never did stop chasing her up until all the way up to her car accident.

  • @poodtang2104
    @poodtang2104 20 днів тому +101

    The Royal Family were country folk and Thatcher was a city women. Diana even though a Aristocrat was also a city women.

    • @here_we_go_again2571
      @here_we_go_again2571 19 днів тому

      Diana grew up in the country. She
      had her own class consciousness
      but she did not deplore the common
      people. *Thatcher was a snob*

    • @JoanMorrison-vq2jc
      @JoanMorrison-vq2jc 19 днів тому +2

      ​@@here_we_go_again2571 "Lady" Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral before she married Charles. Poor Charles fell for this! After they were married Diana had to be dragged to Scotland! Shy Di was sly Di. What a phoney!!!

    • @user-sz4hp6kz8c
      @user-sz4hp6kz8c 18 днів тому +3

      So it seems

    • @poodtang2104
      @poodtang2104 18 днів тому

      @@user-sz4hp6kz8c Indeed.

    • @jshipp5469
      @jshipp5469 17 днів тому

      They’re wanna be country folk, as evident that none of them know how to actually cook. Prince Philip being the exception but that’s cuz he was born to family that was exiled and had to learn those skills

  • @kevinlongman007
    @kevinlongman007 7 днів тому +4

    This scene makes it look as though Thatcher had no respect for The Queen which was totally untrue. She was 100% a Royalist.

    • @maxr5799
      @maxr5799 20 годин тому

      Yeah the writing for Thatcher was awful. It was even more awful seeing one of my favorite actresses, Gillian Anderson portray Thatcher the way it was written.
      I don’t get me wrong, I’m far from a fan of Thatcher, but she was so much more nuanced and complex than how the Crown portrayed her

  • @tauIrrydah
    @tauIrrydah 19 днів тому +67

    Thatcher really did have contempt for anyone who wasn't part of what would become 'The City'.

  • @Pisti846
    @Pisti846 20 днів тому +61

    This makes Thatcher look boorish and snobby, not the native Scots or the Royal Family.

    • @cherylannemason
      @cherylannemason 19 днів тому +1

      True enough, and Thatcher was blinkered enough not to see it

  • @TheWchurchill4pm
    @TheWchurchill4pm 15 днів тому +2

    I liked the way Thatcher was portrayed in the show - meaning I liked the character. It’s hard not to admire someone who takes an interest in their work; and whose goal is to do the job to the highest standard of excellence.

  • @allshookup1640
    @allshookup1640 18 днів тому +8

    I would LOVE to go to the Scottish Games!!! They seem so fun!

    • @louthegiantcookie
      @louthegiantcookie 17 днів тому

      Looks like there's some real skill to it, too. I have no idea how a man can toss an entire log like that without hurting himself. It's really quite impressive!

    • @audradixon8286
      @audradixon8286 9 днів тому

      Oh it’s so much fun.

  • @AtlasBlizzard
    @AtlasBlizzard 12 днів тому +18

    I never thought I would empathize with Margaret Thatcher, but during this episode, I felt the royal family were so alien.

  • @elitefencer777
    @elitefencer777 20 днів тому +19

    It's come full circle: Scully is now the Cancer Man.

  • @tylerkochman1007
    @tylerkochman1007 20 днів тому +36

    On a show with two major figures named “Margaret”, they should include the last name in the title

    • @e.leohassanmodeste756
      @e.leohassanmodeste756 18 днів тому +2

      The royal one would never be addressed just as Margaret but Princess Margaret whereas Thatcher would be addressed just Margaret or in other terms, The Iron Lady

    • @anonymousname5860
      @anonymousname5860 17 днів тому +1

      ⁠@@e.leohassanmodeste756or worse. I can think of a few other names I’d call thatcher than her name or nicknames.

    • @nahuelma97
      @nahuelma97 16 днів тому

      The miniature is an image of Margaret Thatcher and, as someone else has pointed out, Elizabeth's sister would never be formally referred to as Margaret, but rather as Princes Margaret, so I think there's enough context for any reasonable person to understand the title refers to the Prime Minister and not the Queen's sister.

  • @jamesmurray3889
    @jamesmurray3889 20 днів тому +7

    What a performance.

  • @thomasbunyarracampbell7243
    @thomasbunyarracampbell7243 19 днів тому +23

    The real Margaret Thatcher would have harbored no such thoughts. She would have loved this.

    • @growinsane9123
      @growinsane9123 19 днів тому +13

      Yes, they made the character far too wooden and singularly minded which of course she was in politics but there is plenty of evidence as to her softer side.

    • @JoanMorrison-vq2jc
      @JoanMorrison-vq2jc 19 днів тому +10

      ​​​@@growinsane9123 I think PM Thatcher would have been careful and cautious with the media around and microphones would pick up everything. Scotland is a major part of the UK! Thatcher and her husband would have probably liked the fresh air and games and sports events for the day. I doubt Thatcher and her husband Denis said these insensitive things.

    • @forsociopoliticalstuff2629
      @forsociopoliticalstuff2629 16 днів тому +1

      @@growinsane9123the creators of the show apparently have had a particular persuasion in politics, including, among other things, supposedly republicanism.

  • @ANProductionsOfficialChannel
    @ANProductionsOfficialChannel 16 днів тому +4

    I adore the music in this scene. Anyone know the track name?

  • @Duquedecastro
    @Duquedecastro 9 днів тому +2

    Just because she was a conservative do they paint her like this, which is doubtful, at least to that degree

  • @vodkagal28
    @vodkagal28 16 днів тому +2

    This looks like fun!! What was Thatcher talking about??

  • @merkury06
    @merkury06 17 днів тому +2

    I didn't recognize Thatcher in her performance.

  • @IrishCarney
    @IrishCarney День тому

    One of the benefits of having a parliamentary system is supposed to that the figurehead head of state does all the feel-good ceremonial stuff like this, and the actual head of government is freed up to do the actual running of government executive affairs. While by contrast the President of the United States (which merges both roles) has to spend time pardoning turkeys and throwing out the first pitch of the baseball season etc. So it's not just Thatcher being an ideologue and workaholic

  • @XanathosZero
    @XanathosZero 20 днів тому +5

    Well... at least she got a good idea. One must be positive =)

  • @maurooliveira984
    @maurooliveira984 15 днів тому

    E realmente impressionante. A mesma empáfia, a mesma arrogância

  • @glennhubbard5008
    @glennhubbard5008 2 дні тому

    It is not the place of a commoner to question the comportment or disposition of his or her betters, far less the Sovereign.

  • @TheImperialChannel
    @TheImperialChannel 20 днів тому +45

    *She distills all that is wrong with the monarchy. But in reality, she was happy to become a baroness. Too much of a romanticised version of the "Iron Lady."*

    • @willbentley8856
      @willbentley8856 20 днів тому

      I don't think this is the intended impression. Thatcher was never anti-monarchy, she just saw the aristocratic class as weak-willed wets who let the country go the wrong way.

    • @Kvltklassik
      @Kvltklassik 20 днів тому +10

      I mean it's kind of expounding on her perspective, that there were very very few actual competent powers in our society. And that a great period of reform would be required to properly remove them and reset the social hierarchy.
      Her ideas were sound. She was correct in her assessment of people who were supposed to be her peers, and they're people we all still agree today are bad leaders... Her only issue was that she pushed it too hard when she had basically no allies, none in her party or the opposition, nor in the media or public or monarchy.
      But she was right. About all of it and all of them. Her one single flaw was pushing it without support, but she only had no support because of how corrupt all other powerful figures were and still are.

    • @loganmcallen9067
      @loganmcallen9067 20 днів тому +3

      ​@@KvltklassikShe seems to resent noble birth privilege, can't blame her too.

    • @lewiswood1693
      @lewiswood1693 20 днів тому

      ​@@Kvltklassik tbh I feel she is more reviled because neo-librialism her main ideology failed to deliver the wealth to the masses it promised and only really succeeded in swapping one upper class for another.
      The power just went to corporate elitists over aristocrat elitists.
      And the workers suffered arguably worse.

    • @Uiiiiuybn
      @Uiiiiuybn 20 днів тому +9

      You forgot to mention that she changed her accent into a snobbish exaggerated RP and switched from Methodist to Anglican!

  • @Margret-Anne
    @Margret-Anne 17 днів тому +11

    Of course the crown is going to represent Thatcher in the worst way as she was a conservative.

    • @Duquedecastro
      @Duquedecastro 9 днів тому +3

      My thoughts exactly!! I doubt very much she was that horrible

  • @Knappa22
    @Knappa22 4 дні тому +1

    Lol - she then went on to accept a life peerage and before that she created a *hereditary* baronetcy for her husband and his successors. To put that into context, only three non-royal hereditary titles have been created in the UK in the last sixty years. And Denis Thatcher was one of them.
    If she actually did sneer at the royals and their traditions and status she was a bit of a hypocrite.

  • @slylataupe4272
    @slylataupe4272 13 днів тому +5

    Thatcher was so right, clever lady.

  • @JamesDevereuxWebber
    @JamesDevereuxWebber 17 днів тому +8

    Pure fantasy. Balmoral may not have been her cup of tea but Thatcher was an avid monarchist to her core.

    • @JoeLondon-te3hf
      @JoeLondon-te3hf 14 днів тому +1

      No: there was an excellent book recently by a university professor solely devotee to the vexed topic of the Queen and Maggie's interaction. It was much worse than can be surmised, and giving tge OM etc to Maggie on her way out was the Establishmemts way of effectively silencing her and sweeping things under the carpet. Buck House and No. 10 were basically at loggerheads for the entire 11 years of Maggie's tenure.

    • @JamesDevereuxWebber
      @JamesDevereuxWebber 14 днів тому +1

      @@JoeLondon-te3hf and I suppose her ceremonial funeral with full military honours and the Queen’s attendance at said funeral was designed to silence her from beyond the grave?!!

    • @joshuaclement1161
      @joshuaclement1161 13 днів тому +1

      ​@@JamesDevereuxWebber Parliament and the government of the day determine who is entitled to what sort of public funeral. The Queen's attendance can't be taken as a measure of her personal feelings either way. If her ministers advise her to attend, she must follow their advice.

    • @JamesDevereuxWebber
      @JamesDevereuxWebber 12 днів тому

      @@joshuaclement1161 actually that is not correct. Parliament is only required to vote in favour of granting a STATE funeral. CEREMONIAL funerals only require the consent of the monarch who may or may not be advised by the Government of the day. Monarchs themselves are an exception as the right to a State Funeral is automatic in their case.
      In terms of Baroness Thatcher, the late Queen’s attendance was not presumed.

    • @Amanditititito
      @Amanditititito 8 днів тому

      @@JamesDevereuxWebber Thatcher a monarchist? LOL, nope.

  • @cardenioscouse6238
    @cardenioscouse6238 17 днів тому +1

    When Cherie Booth was invited to the Highland games she gave out a huge yawn, apparently upsetting the queen who saw it as rude.

    • @pendorran
      @pendorran 6 днів тому

      It IS rude, plain and simple. It's like spitting out the food served to you as a guest.

    • @cardenioscouse6238
      @cardenioscouse6238 6 днів тому

      To be fair the Highland games do look a bore.

  • @ElvenSkywalker
    @ElvenSkywalker 11 днів тому +1

    I agree with her. What struck me in this episode was the scale of uncivilised behaviour to ‘test’ your guests and be rude to them. Eww 🤮
    These ‘royals’ have no qualifications other than being born into some old fashioned royal-blood scam deal. She was someone who rose to the rank of PM through her hardwork, education and achievements. Shameful behaviour from the so called ‘royals’.
    Currently I can admire Prince William & Catherine - they seem like decent folk who are gracefully transforming the crass out of the royal family. Everyone else, especially that adulterous duo wearing crowns and only halfway liked thanks to years of PR lies, are trash.

    • @user-ne3yw2cu6c
      @user-ne3yw2cu6c 8 днів тому +1

      How dare you sully the reputation of HRH Charles and Queen Tampax.

    • @ElvenSkywalker
      @ElvenSkywalker 8 днів тому

      @@user-ne3yw2cu6c 😄😄😄

    • @h.r7050
      @h.r7050 3 дні тому

      There are whole articles on social attitudes devoted to the cruel pursuits of the upper classes - to invite guests and laugh at them, setting 'social traps' for them - what fork, spoon, etc. Delighting in humiliating people. Vile.

  • @abdelhamidsherif4995
    @abdelhamidsherif4995 6 днів тому

    Of course, someone who would claw their way up would be repulsed by people who get it by circumstances of birth.....

  • @Afroman29
    @Afroman29 20 днів тому +73

    Pretty sure Scotland didn't want Margaret there. She grew up working class, then became a pompous snob.

    • @justsayin3228
      @justsayin3228 20 днів тому +16

      Pompous snob? Thatcher? You mean between helping to end Communism and the Cold War? While Scotland ate haggis?

    • @kb4903
      @kb4903 20 днів тому +8

      @@justsayin3228 Thatcher wasnt working class.

    • @ErnestoHerrera2002
      @ErnestoHerrera2002 20 днів тому

      @@justsayin3228you’re right. She was a pompous witch.

    • @manmaje3596
      @manmaje3596 20 днів тому +18

      @@kb4903She was born to a grocer. She certainly was working class and worked her way up.

    • @mesamies123
      @mesamies123 19 днів тому +23

      She hated Scotland, and she proved it, horrifically.

  • @MDobri-sy1ce
    @MDobri-sy1ce 17 днів тому

    I just watched this episode and found the whole thing odd. Especially, the scenes with that great stag looping around being used as a plot device through out the episode.

  • @JK-nx7my
    @JK-nx7my 3 дні тому

    Approves of Apartheid, disapproves of a Scottish good time... She was a real gem.

    • @kincaidwolf5184
      @kincaidwolf5184 День тому

      It was upper-class Scottish good time

    • @liamsandal6360
      @liamsandal6360 4 години тому

      How are the poor White Boers doing? For that matter, how are the murder, r*pe, literacy and unemployment rates in SA doing?

  • @BwInNewJersey
    @BwInNewJersey 20 днів тому +7

    Never underestimate the subconscious resilience of class or race. These instincts are embedded over thousands of years and still impact our lives in 2024z

    • @TheWinston86
      @TheWinston86 18 днів тому +1

      Yes. Indeed. I’ve also felt this way

  • @Mimi-up5ro
    @Mimi-up5ro 16 днів тому

    She belonged in the office though it was part of her duty to understand her people.😂

  • @Xfranman
    @Xfranman 2 дні тому

    She was right. Save HM and HRH the Prince Phillip, they are a gruesome lot.

  • @TheSuperPsychoKiller
    @TheSuperPsychoKiller 16 днів тому +1

    So….she’s like the bad evil character in this show, gotcha

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому +1

      Because she was the bad evil character in reality.

  • @thomasstuart6861
    @thomasstuart6861 20 днів тому

    Well?

  • @stevebaker6149
    @stevebaker6149 13 днів тому +2

    Who is tha lady in blue with laryngitis meant to be?

  • @bigdogzone3177
    @bigdogzone3177 2 дні тому

    To put it simple - Tradition might not be the most entertaining show for you but a country should respect it's traditions being Scotish Irish or anyone's who consider himself member or the United Kingdom. After all you kept all those countries together sometimes at gunpoint least you can do is sit thru an exibition several hours long after all the endured The British Empire for centuries !!

  • @DouglasThomson-pl6sl
    @DouglasThomson-pl6sl 17 днів тому +3

    Bar some of it's obvious artistic licence scenes, the Crown was a well written and cast series bar the casting of Gillian Anderson as Thatcher. I'm struggling to understand how she didn't get a well deserved Rasberry for such a comedy classic performance.

  • @Victrola66
    @Victrola66 20 днів тому +27

    Have to say here one cannot not be on Margaret's side. I think season 4 was really great at showing how out of touch with reality the monarchy was.

    • @robloughrey
      @robloughrey 20 днів тому +7

      Yes, goodness me Thatcher never wanted to be boorish, snobbish, or rude. :) She completely missed her husbands jab.

    • @Ethne67
      @Ethne67 20 днів тому +8

      They really were. At least from the show's perspective. They were all incredibly rude to her and to Diana. They expected people to know where to sit, how to curtsy, whom to curtsy to first, what to wear for casual drinks versus dinner. I thought the entire family treated anyone not in the family abhorrently.

    • @lovedaybebe5881
      @lovedaybebe5881 20 днів тому +1

      Is ……. And always will be

    • @juliaalexander5788
      @juliaalexander5788 20 днів тому +3

      Hum, so @1:10 was her character referencing Scottish people or just the monarchy?

    • @Ethne67
      @Ethne67 20 днів тому +3

      @@juliaalexander5788 I believe she was talking about the monarchy.

  • @Edwards-Videos
    @Edwards-Videos 18 днів тому +2

    So, it's a bad thing to support Scottish culture? This scene doesn't paint Margaret Thatcher in a good light at all.

    • @Kai555100
      @Kai555100 14 днів тому

      I mean the scots did not lile her when she was PM, they feelt very much neglected by her time in office

    • @kincaidwolf5184
      @kincaidwolf5184 День тому

      It's upper-class Scottish culture. Thatcher loathed the upper class, and this isn't real event

  • @markjd4
    @markjd4 13 днів тому

    As an American, this is just an average college football pregame ceremony.

  • @watchflexwatchflex5956
    @watchflexwatchflex5956 13 днів тому +3

    Pure fantasy

  • @smoovechi1
    @smoovechi1 8 днів тому

    Thatcher seems to really dislike the royals

  • @christophernewcombe9524
    @christophernewcombe9524 18 днів тому +23

    Adolf had a similar attitude to the German elite.

  • @SeanScot36
    @SeanScot36 17 днів тому

    There are some things I like about Scotland, but the balmoral games are not one of them.

  • @robbieross6646
    @robbieross6646 13 днів тому

    As usual, Maggie was right.

  • @sikandersingh3145
    @sikandersingh3145 13 днів тому

    Did I see the flag of USA?

  • @jakesingerman9257
    @jakesingerman9257 18 днів тому +13

    I always like to think of Margaret Thatcher spending eternity wishing for a glass of water….

    • @rde4017
      @rde4017 16 днів тому

      Too bad she fired Satan and closed all the furnaces....

  • @JarodFarrant
    @JarodFarrant 15 днів тому

    1:10 did she really feel this way about the Scottish?

    • @user-pg2kj7ps7o
      @user-pg2kj7ps7o 4 дні тому

      Not the Scots, the royals.

    • @kincaidwolf5184
      @kincaidwolf5184 День тому +1

      It's a fake scene, but Thatcher hated the upper-class. This event is an upper-class Scottish event.

  • @alstonlossett8418
    @alstonlossett8418 7 днів тому +2

    I’m not British, so I have no idea what it was like under Thatcher’s premiership. At the same time, I understand what she is getting at here. She came from a working class background, as opposed to the royals, and she found satisfaction in working hard. Not to mention she came from a Christian family, which means she also learned, “If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.” She found purpose in her work, which is why she didn’t feel normal just sitting around enjoying a cultural event. Which also shows how she became a workaholic. Yes, she seams snobby but that’s primarily because she feels out of place and useless because she’s not doing anything that she considers important. She embodies what happens when you overemphasize work and not value rest.

  • @VincentSandoya
    @VincentSandoya 8 днів тому

    Margareth es como del.clan de mis tias...siempre incomoda en lugares inapropiados 😂😂

  • @gaguy1967
    @gaguy1967 13 днів тому +1

    sheisi way too stiff

  • @meisterwue
    @meisterwue 15 днів тому +1

    Why they made such series .....simply no need.

  • @lorenzomagazzeni5425
    @lorenzomagazzeni5425 День тому

    What happened to King Charles ? Hiding in some bunker in NZ ?

  • @EuDianaMartins
    @EuDianaMartins 20 днів тому +2

    ¡Hola, buenas tardes! 🌧️

  • @leonhue722
    @leonhue722 12 днів тому

    My fair comments being deleted ?

  • @albertlugosi
    @albertlugosi 20 днів тому +11

    Mrs Thatcher could never remove the stick from her behind, could she?

    • @maestroCanuck
      @maestroCanuck 20 днів тому

      this is a fictionalized story....the Thatcher I remember was far from what you may think, and far from having a stick up her behind.

    • @anthonycovarrubias5949
      @anthonycovarrubias5949 20 днів тому +3

      @@maestroCanuck An absolutely horrible PM.

    • @justsayin3228
      @justsayin3228 20 днів тому +4

      Stick? She was helping to remove Communism and the Cold War. Bit more important than parlor games.

    • @maestroCanuck
      @maestroCanuck 19 днів тому

      @@anthonycovarrubias5949 that is your opinion but here's mine: she was a better PM than any other since.

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому

      She was the worst PM that the U.K. ever had.

  • @causticchameleon7861
    @causticchameleon7861 20 днів тому +4

    I truly wondering if this represents her true feelings or the scriptwriters bias against her seeing as she is only being overheard by her husband. I’m thinking it’s the scriptwriters. She was a tough woman and made some tough decisions but she was right.

    • @maestroCanuck
      @maestroCanuck 20 днів тому

      they have no idea what really was said, so make it up trying to be interesting and happily inserting their own biases. That's entertainment!

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому

      She was never right. She was a terrible person.

  • @NellBelle
    @NellBelle 20 днів тому +4

    Not being from the the UK, can't say I have dog in this fight, but she ain't wrong.

  • @ErickHumboldt
    @ErickHumboldt 17 днів тому +3

    Mrs Thatcher we miss you ❤❤

    • @intorainbowzOG
      @intorainbowzOG 17 днів тому +1

      No we don't.

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому +1

      Who would miss a dictator like her?

  • @user-mx6sh2hy8x
    @user-mx6sh2hy8x 20 днів тому +19

    Margaret Thatcher treated the Prime Ministership as a job, not a privilege, and she worked very hard. She is leaps and bounds ahead of any of her successors. I wish she was PM during Covid.

    • @justsayin3228
      @justsayin3228 20 днів тому +2

      She would have saved thousands of lives from idiocy

    • @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty
      @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty 19 днів тому +1

      Thatcher was a monster. Had she still been PM today she'd have let a million die from COVID.

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому

      She was an old witch. She destroyed many people's lives.

  • @luxann292
    @luxann292 17 днів тому +3

    I still dont get why she was a baroness. Shes the real snob.

    • @joshuaclement1161
      @joshuaclement1161 13 днів тому

      It's tradition for retiring prime ministers to be offered a peerage or life peerage.

    • @luxann292
      @luxann292 11 днів тому

      @joshuaclement1161 again, still doesn't make sense if the PM in question was not wholsomly loyal to your monarch.

  • @Celisar1
    @Celisar1 17 днів тому +2

    Gillian Anderson“s performance is an insult to the real Margret Thatcher.
    Such a pity that many people believe it.

    • @jonathanraithel1025
      @jonathanraithel1025 16 днів тому

      To be fair, an honest depiction of Thatcher isn't very nice either. She had her virtues, but her legacy largely rests on how cruel she was to the working class for the benefit of the rich.

    • @Celisar1
      @Celisar1 19 годин тому

      @@jonathanraithel1025
      That is not the case.
      She saved Britain and lead it from being the poorhouse of Europe, ungovernable in the suffocating grip of unions, back to a flourishing , wealthy country.
      Even if you completely disagree with that just watch and discussion or interview with her: she was brilliant and an animated speaker with lively mimic and intonation, not the ridiculous sounding sleeping pill Anderson made her to be.

  • @dukeofglasgow9354
    @dukeofglasgow9354 20 днів тому +8

    Just an English who doesn't appreciate the Scottish tradition

    • @justsayin3228
      @justsayin3228 20 днів тому +3

      Or she values world events more than parlor events?

    • @here_we_go_again2571
      @here_we_go_again2571 19 днів тому +1

      @@justsayin3228
      Thatcher was a snob.
      The monarchy are not
      about world events. The
      British monarchy is about
      local events.

    • @sergeanthowiefromthemainland
      @sergeanthowiefromthemainland 16 днів тому +2

      English visitors lap this stuff up more than most Scots. Most Scots find it boring.

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому

      Because she was a snob.

    • @here_we_go_again2571
      @here_we_go_again2571 14 днів тому

      @@JimMac23
      Thatcher was indeed a snob.
      Thatcher's contempt and disrespect of "the people" is the exact opposite of that
      of the public face of the BRF.
      I do not believe that her late majesty,
      Elizabeth ii or Prince Philip had contempt
      for the people, nor do any of any of the
      older royals (with the possible exception
      of Prince Michael's wife).
      The monarchy and the people's efforts to survive and to win WW2 was a unifying factor for that generation.
      It is obvious that Prince Andrew has
      contempt for the people. The rest of his
      generation do not appear to have
      contempt for the common British
      man or woman. Nor do William or
      Catherine.
      Harry has contempt for everyone; as
      does Meghan. The two of them
      probably have some sort of narcissism,
      or another mental/emotional disorder.
      Nearing 40, Prince Harry is probably
      realizing that he has failed at everything
      that he has set his hand to; except for
      disrespecting and disparaging his father.

  • @pendorran
    @pendorran 6 днів тому

    This portrayal is utter rubbish. Thatcher wasn't politically stupid enough to be openly disgusted by ordinary people. Denis was by all accounts a very sociable and down-to-earth person. The showrunners just couldn't throwing as much shit at Thatcher as they could fit into a script. Masturbation disguised as drama.

  • @user-qf6si9vz7p
    @user-qf6si9vz7p 13 днів тому

    Почему я Германии не нравится что такое вот что он делает а потому что Маргарет Тэтчер не очень любила немцев потому что слишком они набожны были слишком приставучие из-за этого она так себя вела что немцы ей не очень нравятся как их как их вот это вот танцы разные которые они делают и ей это не нравится не нравится она и критиковала не Германию вот и всё за такие танцы и всё такое я это не раз она любила спокойно тихое такие танцы типа э успокаивающие музыку а это что нет конечно это она и критиковала их всех неравенеся

  • @tessdurberville711
    @tessdurberville711 14 днів тому +1

    What an insult to Mrs. Thatcher. It is bad enough that Gillian Anderson let her looks go south after the X-Files ended (the first time), but to cast her as Mrs. Thatcher was terribly low, even for "The Crown". Frankly, with all of the trained actors and the upcoming ones in the UK, I do not know why they allow her to stay.

  • @gayan2517
    @gayan2517 17 днів тому +6

    She was right. ❤. Abolish the monarchy ☠️

    • @kadykianus
      @kadykianus 12 днів тому

      No. Monarchy can be useful. Balmoral is a thing of the past but young 🤴 is what GB needs.

  • @dmartig1
    @dmartig1 20 днів тому +16

    Thatcher grew up working class.

    • @jws1948ja
      @jws1948ja 20 днів тому +1

      I think she had to learn received English.

    • @elitefencer777
      @elitefencer777 20 днів тому +4

      She certainly had the characteristic lack of self-awareness or humility! XD

    • @chrisw1090
      @chrisw1090 20 днів тому +15

      Hardly working class, her father owned his own business and when she went to grammar school it was fee-paying.

    • @BobG-pi8bb
      @BobG-pi8bb 20 днів тому +8

      Middle/ working class. Her dad ran a local store and was a local politician. Small business owner. And she was given a good education as well, which took advantage of studying chemistry. I would call her solidly middle class in upbringing.

    • @neilmcbeath954
      @neilmcbeath954 18 днів тому +1

      Not really, she was lower middle class, from Lincolnshire. Tellingly, when at school she was known as "snobby Roberts".

  • @indefatigable8193
    @indefatigable8193 18 днів тому +3

    Peter Morgan handled this episode so well. Thatchers battle with Soames deserved to be told from the lens of two middle class Britons done with having a choice between either feudal Britain or socialist Britain. As an American, watching the middle class restore sanity to that island is class A entertainment.

  • @lachlanmccall1012
    @lachlanmccall1012 17 днів тому +1

    Thatcher was an upper middle-class snob.

  • @sjucrewguy
    @sjucrewguy 18 днів тому +1

    Well in fairness to her though, Thatcher was a gigantic toolbag.

  • @FabulezII
    @FabulezII 19 днів тому +2

    «What am I doing here… miles from Westminster» is this really about Thatcher’s attitude towards the royals and aristocracy? Or is it rather about Thatcher’s attitude towards the people of Great Britain outside the south of England… as opposed to that of the royal family.

    • @growinsane9123
      @growinsane9123 19 днів тому +2

      I think it is more about the producers attitude toward Thatcher.

    • @JoanMorrison-vq2jc
      @JoanMorrison-vq2jc 19 днів тому +1

      I'm not so sure that PM Thatcher wanted to change Scotland from "top to bottom ". Why!? What's wrong with the Scots? They are wonderful just as they are!! I'm a very proud American but my ancestors were Italian ( not sure how we got the Scottish name of Morrison ) and I enjoyed visiting Scotland. The Scotts were smart and nice and fun! Maybe Thatcher in reality had a great time in the Highlands and meeting with people. Thatcher would have known to accept people as they are. Elvis had Scottish roots. That's one for Scotland! A big one!! 😂 LoL

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому

      @@JoanMorrison-vq2jc If she really felt that way about Scotland, then she was a hateful old hag.

  • @BOBMAN1980
    @BOBMAN1980 6 годин тому

    Some people claim that Thatcher was cold, joyless, heartless, and unable to find commonality between herself and any of her population.
    I say She's been gone awhile, now; there's no need to try and flatter her.

  • @japanjack62
    @japanjack62 20 днів тому +14

    Love her or hate her, she put the Great back in Britian. made it a force to be reckoned with.

    • @cjjk9142
      @cjjk9142 20 днів тому +13

      Her privatisation of public services has cost us dearly

    • @jayargonauts7428
      @jayargonauts7428 20 днів тому +3

      Yes, one the greatest prime ministers ever!

    • @maestroCanuck
      @maestroCanuck 20 днів тому +2

      @@cjjk9142 can you say if nothing had been privatised that things would be any better? I highly doubt it since from my experience the public sector makes an expensive mess of things, just as it was in the 1970's. It is accountability and smart thinking that is needed whether private or public, if you don't have that you get a corrupt mess.

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому

      She was a hateful old hag who destroyed many people's lives.

  • @frankiechong3819
    @frankiechong3819 20 днів тому +10

    Humanity disapproves of her.

    • @justsayin3228
      @justsayin3228 20 днів тому +6

      But freedom approves of her

    • @ErnestoHerrera2002
      @ErnestoHerrera2002 20 днів тому +4

      @@justsayin3228Freedom to die of poverty?

    • @Heretomakeyourage
      @Heretomakeyourage 20 днів тому +5

      ​@@justsayin3228freedom to wait years for a flat. Freedom to lose your job. Freedom to lose your life for some pointless island in the ocean. Freedom to be taxed more and more eh

    • @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty
      @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty 19 днів тому +2

      ​@@justsayin3228 Negative freedom vs positive freedom.

    • @KasbashPlays
      @KasbashPlays 19 днів тому +1

      @@ErnestoHerrera2002 pay them no heed. They’ve been going on every anti-Thatcher comment and singing paeans about her.

  • @liamsandal6360
    @liamsandal6360 4 години тому

    She really was filled with jealousy. Enraged that she wasn't queen herself.

  • @Gurkha73able
    @Gurkha73able 15 днів тому +1

    Maggie actually thought she was in the same league as Her Majesty, LOL

    • @JimMac23
      @JimMac23 15 днів тому +1

      And she was quite wrong about that. As she was wrong about many things.

  • @KarlRove-vk7gg
    @KarlRove-vk7gg 20 днів тому +14

    Margret Thatcher is the greatest example of leadership I can possibly think of.

    • @chrisw1090
      @chrisw1090 20 днів тому +10

      Is that after or before Hitler? Both Mussolini and Franco were in charge for much longer.

    • @KarlRove-vk7gg
      @KarlRove-vk7gg 20 днів тому

      @@chrisw1090 Are you an emotionally retared man child?

    • @scottr.7077
      @scottr.7077 20 днів тому +14

      Think harder.

    • @elitefencer777
      @elitefencer777 20 днів тому

      @@scottr.7077 Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf is the finest military mind I can conceive of, from my pool of 1 candidate(s).

    • @lewiswood1693
      @lewiswood1693 20 днів тому +2

      Too bad her economic policy has had horrible effects for Britain

  • @user-tx4yn7en9u
    @user-tx4yn7en9u 11 днів тому

    My Pastor is an Anglo Saxon himself, but he says "Anglos" Saxons have traits... from Fallen "Angels"
    I am not really sure about his statement.
    But Israelites were dark skinned.
    Anglos Saxons spread the Godspell to Koreans including my mother's side family.
    Anglo Saxons gave us electricity train airplane motors penicillin list goes on...

  • @AB-zl4nh
    @AB-zl4nh 19 днів тому +1

    This show made me almost back Thatcher. My problem with Thatcher, among many, is not her self-belief and sense of pride. I respect that & understand it. It's the view you have to always put the individual before the community. When the evidence shows they are often complementary and self-strengthening,

  • @coreyledin-bristol7068
    @coreyledin-bristol7068 14 днів тому +1

    Typical Thatcher. Completely missing the point that these events are important to the people and therefore should be important to their leaders as well. The peoples needs and interests are not a waste of anyone's time

  • @ReaverLordTonus
    @ReaverLordTonus 15 днів тому +3

    Like it or not Maggie, you're in Scotland, which is part of the UK, the country you were elected to govern. You don't get to choose what parts of the country matter more or less.

  • @jonathanstanford843
    @jonathanstanford843 День тому

    Just asking, is that the only tune that can ever be played on the bagpipe? It’s a terribly annoying instrument to start, but then to not have any diversity in what is played makes it even worse.

  • @seanbumstead1250
    @seanbumstead1250 17 днів тому +2

    A snob plain and simple

  • @mypointofview1111
    @mypointofview1111 15 днів тому

    3 words: pot, kettle, black