Analysis: The WORST Goku In DBFZ?!

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  • @GMP1isReal
    @GMP1isReal 11 місяців тому +55

    Yeah, as a Base Goku main, they buffed his combo potential, but not actually getting the hit to where all his moves feel power crept as a result. I also hate how they further incentivized doing raw supers in neutral with him. Very glad to see Cloud (like Inzem) understanding his actual problems instead of simply being like "big damage = he good now" like everyone else thinks.

    • @Senji-ki
      @Senji-ki 11 місяців тому +8

      Exactly, I also main him too. People think big damage automatically = good but it’s almost pointless if you can’t get the hit, his problem is opening people up even with mental stack and staggering, his 2m is BS compared to his other forms that go WAY farther too

    • @jahkareramkissoon419
      @jahkareramkissoon419 11 місяців тому

      ​@@Senji-kiUI goku is currently worst in every flaw that you named for Base goku

    • @GMP1isReal
      @GMP1isReal 11 місяців тому +3

      ​​@@jahkareramkissoon419 Not really. UI Goku was far more mix options like plus frames and a grab you don't need vanish to convert for, and has full screen tools that make up for smaller normals like 5S being so fast and a nicely angled beam, and his weakness being damage with is understandable considering he also has multiple reversals. Base Goku lacks all of that, like his 236h being terrible in the corner.

    • @Senji-ki
      @Senji-ki 11 місяців тому +3

      @@GMP1isReal thank you, you understand. Someone like UI has way more options than baseku

    • @lexFGC
      @lexFGC 11 місяців тому +1

      as a professional base goku glazer and/or meatrider this is factuals

  • @emmawatson3532
    @emmawatson3532 11 місяців тому +7

    Something to note about baseku’s pressure in the corner: He relies on his command grab to open folks up. However, if you use the light command grab, you ain’t gaining no metre because you have to confirm with vanish. Also, it scales terribly. Ideally, you want to hit people with the ex command grab because it’s as fast as the light, and the reward is better in terms of both damage and metre gain (even though metre gain takes a hit because it’s an ex move, it’s still more than you’d get with a vanish), and it’s less expensive. However, people can react to the ex flash. Here’s the set up: after the third hit of his auto combo either ex command grab (delayed because of block stun), or ex elbow. The elbow with catch them mashing and jumping/ back dashing the command grab, and the grab with cover reflect and blocking. If they guard cancel the third hit of the auto combo you have plenty of time to react with an ex elbow. Also, there’s a weird interaction after the third hit of the auto combo in the corner, where follow up special moves push baseku out; making it even more ambiguous. The thing to remember is that this is still RPS and you can get smoked with a reversal. Combine this with the way super dash interacts with the third hit of his auto combo, and that it’s safe on block, it leads to some interesting ways to overload his pressure based on this one move. He’s still outshined by basically every other character in the roster though, lol.

  • @Naruyami4
    @Naruyami4 11 місяців тому +41

    Since we knocking out the Goku's, might as well do the next video on SSJ-ku

    • @TheCaptainTV_
      @TheCaptainTV_ 11 місяців тому

      Please, he's the second worst goku only in front of UI. At least base goku has a command grab to make you scared of his staggers.

    • @OG_joshie
      @OG_joshie 11 місяців тому +5

      @@TheCaptainTV_you haven’t met the better SSjku players then?

    • @trollninja904
      @trollninja904 11 місяців тому

      ​@@TheCaptainTV_carrot soup is not bad bro

    • @TheCaptainTV_
      @TheCaptainTV_ 11 місяців тому

      @@OG_joshie genuine question, who plays ssj goku these days? I've been grinding him for the past few patches and he definitely has some strong stuff but I can't find very many players other than Wawa messing around.

    • @TheCaptainTV_
      @TheCaptainTV_ 11 місяців тому

      @@trollninja904 didn't say bad, just isn't as strong as most of the current characters in the game this patch. His damage is insane, he has pretty good buttons and decent neutral but really struggles to open people up without bar or assists.

  • @TonyG-ui1to
    @TonyG-ui1to 11 місяців тому +12

    "Grandpa where were you when Cloud did the Baseku video"
    I was there

  • @Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS
    @Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS 11 місяців тому +6

    To me, Base Goku is an extremely valuable character to the meter nerf characters of this game. As a Labcoat 21 fan, his B assist gives her and the fusions like Vegito and SSB Gogeta the meter to two touch their opponents like before. I know he's lacking a modern 2m and frame data on his buttons, but to me he's still a valuable anchor character for a team, especially those who like LC21, Vegito, and SSB Gogeta.

    • @torankusu3445
      @torankusu3445 11 місяців тому +1

      Even with the meter nerf they can still 2 touch you

    • @Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS
      @Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS 11 місяців тому

      @@torankusu3445 It depends on who they play with though.

    • @torankusu3445
      @torankusu3445 11 місяців тому

      @@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS humm not rlly especially lab coat she got mad damage with her new routes now

    • @Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS
      @Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS 11 місяців тому

      @@torankusu3445 Sorry for the delayed response, I was busy, but yeah your right about her new routes. Still Baseku's B assist still makes her life a lot easier for meter build.

  • @riastradh
    @riastradh 11 місяців тому +7

    All I wanted was a 2M buff, a normal beam and more invul frames on heavy elbow
    Calling spirit bomb spirit ball all video got me twitchin

    • @hatchell18
      @hatchell18 11 місяців тому

      His 2m has fine range. His 5l and 5m needs a range buff though and he needs frame 1 ki blast invul on his ex elbow tackle. Also make his medium elbow tackle faster, lower the recovery on his js by 3-4f and make his 5s -1 on block. Also make his beam multi hitting.

    • @1stJC1
      @1stJC1 11 місяців тому

      @@hatchell18 5s -1 on block? No character has that, that's too broken. You can pretty much stagger infinitely with that with no downside.

    • @hatchell18
      @hatchell18 11 місяців тому

      @@1stJC1 ughh yes they do? Did you even pay attention to this video? Lol both bardock and ssj goku have a -1 on block 5s. And it’s not too broken for them at all. So wtf are you talking about?😂 No character has that? False.

    • @hatchell18
      @hatchell18 11 місяців тому +1

      @@1stJC1 and anyone with a 0 on block 2l can stagger indefinitely. Janemba, goku black etc. Also ss4 Gogeta can stagger indefinitely with his new shit, jiren can too etc. But sureee base goku being able to stagger with a -1 on block is just too broken😂 bro get your facts straight lol

    • @1stJC1
      @1stJC1 11 місяців тому

      @@hatchell18 I was going from memory and ssj goku’s 2s is -1 rather than 5s. Forgot about that move. You’re basically right though.

  • @pnx073
    @pnx073 11 місяців тому +5

    Gotta wait for heart virus Goku

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 11 місяців тому

      What if Goku MASTERED the Heart Virus? (Part 78)

  • @willdangerfield50468
    @willdangerfield50468 11 місяців тому +1

    God I’ve been playing this dumpster fire of a character for years. Id like to remind everyone that this character could not normally combo into level three for YEARS. He didn’t even get buffed this patch, he got normalized.

  • @SnipersUpTheMex
    @SnipersUpTheMex 11 місяців тому

    I like Baseku point with C assists. Some C assists will allow a meterless combo opportunity from L Command Grab. Any hit with both assists online can lead to combos where you can hit 2 fully charged Spirit Bombs. Then Super Spirit Bomb to setup a guess for character situation. Practically any C assist will open up an unfair way to combo. Where all you have to do is get a lucky hit to snowball in a ridiculous way.
    My team is Baseku (A), SSJ4 Gogeta (C), Hit (C). With all the meter gain, I can summon Shenron rather easily, and build up the Dragon Balls via Gogeta (C). Hit (C) assist is such a fascinating tool. It works too well on the unsuspecting. You can cancel any level Spirit Bomb into fully charging another Spirit Bomb before the opponent flips out of the 1st one and be able to react to what they do. Getting any hit while already having level 3 Spirit Bomb, with both assists online is potential ToD. In Sparking, 2 Spirit Bombs in a combo will give almost 7 bars instantly. The combos are dirt easy. The hardest thing is confirming after Spirit Bomb with 1S, 2S, or 3S, then learning the assist and cancel timing to get the Fully Charged Spirit Bomb and toss it.

  • @Shiro_Okami5
    @Shiro_Okami5 11 місяців тому +4

    I feel like UI Goku is the worst. Baseku will spirit bomb is a nuke, and he has a good grab. UI Goku damage is not good, and hitting the opponent is harder.

  • @germanschneider-tdm7883
    @germanschneider-tdm7883 11 місяців тому +1

    The KaioKen + LM (R1, the kick that throws into the air) beats almost everything. Even some lvl's 3. Sry if my english is bad.

  • @Addyrail
    @Addyrail 11 місяців тому

    fun fact: with spark and limit break, 2m -> 5h -> lvl3 spirit ball -> spirit bomb ToDs.

  • @gingeysnap2090
    @gingeysnap2090 11 місяців тому

    In defense of Beam > SD.
    It allows him to have meterless corner loops.
    And how the rejumps work is you need to delay the beam as much as you would for a normal 5H rejump (to about f37).

  • @PetSonoDog-iq6rq
    @PetSonoDog-iq6rq 11 місяців тому

    Baseku’s other assists are good too; his B is good for building meter maybe good for Gogeta Red, or possibly Blue. His C assist is good for neutral, because it’s a beam C with pretty low scaling and ok blockstun.

  • @1stJC1
    @1stJC1 11 місяців тому

    Only big flaw he has is his medium buttons are really bad compared to the other gokus but if he had blue gokus 2l and mediums, he would probably be the best goku. Having a 20 frame command grab, that lets you convert is really strong. As well as him having zoning nearly as good ssj goku. He's a really strong character held back by mid normals. Where as so many other characters in the game have far reaching normals now, after all the patches. Also give the ex elbow real invincibility.

  • @ChromeGonzalez
    @ChromeGonzalez 11 місяців тому +1

    Hey do you guys remember when they said they wanted all the goku's 2ms to be different? Then they just decided to give blueku and ssj goku the same 2m but leave baseku with his old shit 2m? Lol

  • @deathbringer9893
    @deathbringer9893 11 місяців тому

    something i want is if they will not increase his move ranges make his beam 5 hits and either 5M is 0 on block or even plus 1

  • @hatchell18
    @hatchell18 11 місяців тому

    Base Goku would be a lot better if they gave him these buffs
    Buff the range on his 5l
    Buff the range on his 5m
    Buff the range on his 2m
    Make his medium elbow tackle 24f
    Buff the range on his ex shoulder tackle and give it frame 1 invul
    Lower the recovery on his js by 3f
    Lower the recovery on his 1s, 2s and 3s by 10f
    Made his 5s -1 on block
    Make his beam multi hitting

  • @PetSonoDog-iq6rq
    @PetSonoDog-iq6rq 11 місяців тому

    5:28 you might be able to extend that with 3S.

  • @kevinarzate44
    @kevinarzate44 11 місяців тому

    "yall base goku players need everything you can get, cuz yall struggling out here" i felt that 🥲

  • @rodimusprime8616
    @rodimusprime8616 11 місяців тому

    As a Baseku main, honestly its the finicky stuff that kept him from getting back to the mountain top. I don't like that he's incentivized as a raw super abuser over more conditioning with a kit structure like his.

    • @ABasedTohan
      @ABasedTohan 11 місяців тому +1

      Man I might have to try to play this again it’s been a few months

  • @MullilluM
    @MullilluM 11 місяців тому

    The gokus are kind of struggling this patch. Team all gokus used to destroy team all Vegeta, but its heavily skewed now.

  • @GohanOXG
    @GohanOXG 11 місяців тому

    It's hilarious that people have referred to Goku's 236x as "- Shoulder" for years when its his *elbow*. Like who throws out a hit with their shoulder??😭

  • @PetSonoDog-iq6rq
    @PetSonoDog-iq6rq 11 місяців тому

    Grounded 2H -> J2M is an instant overhead, as well as Yamcha 2H -> J2H.

  • @bobrianfo104
    @bobrianfo104 11 місяців тому

    Baseku and SBroly feel like they need very little to be an absolute menace, they're now in the same position as Gogeta blue was in season 2 and early season 3 IMO

  • @ParadygmRift
    @ParadygmRift 11 місяців тому

    Always found it crazy that Level 1-3 spirit bomb has level 1 super priority.

  • @Sk0rchy
    @Sk0rchy 11 місяців тому

    now I really want that B assist buff

  • @kingky9600
    @kingky9600 11 місяців тому

    Z Broly or SS Goku next?

  • @fupalover
    @fupalover 11 місяців тому

    You can 2H into spirit bomb as well.

  • @ACobalt
    @ACobalt 11 місяців тому

    You can’t hide from Yamcha forever Cloud, we all know why you were calling it Spirit Ball this whole damn video lol.

  • @bladsniper2222
    @bladsniper2222 11 місяців тому

    First lmfao love these videos love you cloud

  • @bluu-skyssow5607
    @bluu-skyssow5607 11 місяців тому

    Cloud can you do a analysis on kid gohan?

  • @ThatWolfArrow
    @ThatWolfArrow 11 місяців тому

    This goku is 100% a victim of power creep. He's not really a dysfunctional character, it's just that other characters can do what he tries to do better.

  • @xXSonTJXx
    @xXSonTJXx 11 місяців тому

    "Spirit Ball"

  • @philplouis84
    @philplouis84 11 місяців тому

    I mean Base Goku has some mic tho unlike UI. I think they're fighting for worst tho.

  • @dindoyop7478
    @dindoyop7478 11 місяців тому

    The Spirit bomb spam is so annoying now

  • @angel-gp2io
    @angel-gp2io 11 місяців тому +1

    My fav boi 😢

  • @Jayyy_654.
    @Jayyy_654. 11 місяців тому +2

    Give base goku a better 2m

  • @yandor4799
    @yandor4799 11 місяців тому +1

    The worst goku is Goku SSJ

  • @blacklab3608
    @blacklab3608 11 місяців тому

    Damage was never his problem

  • @eat00002
    @eat00002 11 місяців тому

    🎉

  • @raqueltyrant
    @raqueltyrant 11 місяців тому +1

    You can tell that chrome is a Base Goku main. Defending his character at every corner

    • @ChromeGonzalez
      @ChromeGonzalez 11 місяців тому

      I was a 21/baseku main and both of them lost tools that were both unique and interesting to them and were made overall weaker because game sucks I fear

  • @bluu-skyssow5607
    @bluu-skyssow5607 11 місяців тому

    LETS GOOO

  • @lorddharak596
    @lorddharak596 11 місяців тому +2

    Nah UI is the worst Goku

  • @thinkofdacontent
    @thinkofdacontent 11 місяців тому

    Him and ui man

  • @era_GG
    @era_GG 11 місяців тому

    hey leave base Goku alone!

  • @ryankelty1781
    @ryankelty1781 11 місяців тому

    I need ui

  • @askeholmandersen1510
    @askeholmandersen1510 11 місяців тому

    day 7 asking for super baby 2 video

  • @Titopr1998
    @Titopr1998 11 місяців тому

    the "worst"

  • @williamhowells806
    @williamhowells806 11 місяців тому

    ui kinda dog tho

  • @ferrucciocaracciuolo8139
    @ferrucciocaracciuolo8139 11 місяців тому

    -

  • @giovannipowell6763
    @giovannipowell6763 11 місяців тому

    Ez

  • @xaviax1239
    @xaviax1239 11 місяців тому

    First pls give me fame and riches 🙏