I think the best way to realize why the necrons are humanities greatest ally is that quote from the infinite and the divine where trazyn says "Weak, frail, of short lifespans and dangerously advanced technology, don't they remind you of something orikan?" the necrons know exactly how it feels to be human
@livefromtheblacklibrary I kinda think that the Necrons will be interested in keeping Humanity around in some way or form because we might be their best hope for apotheosis and regaining bodies of flesh and blood. Necron'Tyr and humans seem pretty similar physiologically (atleast when comparing human skeletons to average Necron designs) and the Egyptian symbolism seems like a very intentional parallel. Not to mention the Void Dragon having come to Earth in the ancient past and the apparent presence of Necron tech on Mars when that random Necron fleet made a mad dash for it. The Necrons had to have known about Humanity to some extent after the Old Ones created us. Then there are the old Necron Pariahs. They may be old lore that is ignored or forgotten nowadays, but I always thought there had to be a particular reason that Humans, out of all the races in the galaxy, were the ones that Necrons chose to experiment on in such a way. And not just because of the Pariah gene that causes some humans to be born as blanks. While the origin of blanks and untouchables has never really been officially explained, considering that blanks are considered to be reverse-psykers of a kind, and the Necrons are the only known species to make use of the only material known to be capable of reversing warp energies (Blackstone), I really feel like Humanity and the Necrons have to have some bigger link, both in the past and possibly intended for future lore. I've always had a tinfoil hat theory that the Necrons and/or C'tan are actually the ones who created the Pariah gene in the first place, and that they introduced it to ancient Humanity while we were still "fresh". Possibly in an attempt to sabotage the Old Ones' newest weapon that was going to be used against them. Humans are obviously a relatively psychic race and getting more so all the time. So, I wonder if we would have been just as psychically gifted, if not moreso, than the Eldar if we evolved according to the Old One's original plan. But since we know the Necrons and C'tan fear warp energies above all else, I think their tampering could have stunted our psychic growth and even resulted in the occasional blank being born. Seems like a way of turning the Old Ones' newest pet species against them. This is why I really wish they would reintroduce Necron Pariahs back into the story. There are so many interesting ways they could move the story forward using them.
Or when Orikan says "they reproduce trough the same holes they dispose their trash" xDDD man I love Trazyn and Orikan duo, never thought that the relationship between two 65milion year old robots would bring tears of joy and sadness to my face.
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be oh perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not. Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic. Yeah. There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape. ANd this guy he's trustworthy. You know what isn't trustorthy? an elari
Trazyn's Cadia moment, atop the Dante thing, set a narrative tempo for the Necrons as being far more amiable than the dying race which birthed a chaos god. ...and comedies like the infinite & Divine, semi-humanizing these metal maniacs over their multi-millennia trolling sprees.
That would be a major lore crime. The Bone Kingdom of Drazakh is supposed to be in the Ghouls Stars on the other end of the Galaxy I thought. It’s not in segment I’m pacificus, or not supposed to be.
Wel because of their emotions and how they experience every while have been the dominate force in the galaxy for millions of years with superior technology will do that to you..look at the dark eldar. It's impressive all Eldar are not like that for living so long the way they are. Necron are more logical while Eldar have emotions cranked really high the whole time.
using the humans as shields is probably necessary from szarekh's perspective as every time he cant completely obliterate a tendril of the hive fleet, it sends a bit more info back to the hivemind about necrons. his greatest fear is probably the fleet creating an effective anti-necron form that resists molecular attacks through some fusion of sorcery and evolution. such a tyranid would be almost invincible to everyone who isnt capable of orokin or mephisto levels of power, or is a strong enough blank. tyranids adapting to kill humans is bad, tyranids adapting to kill necrons is far worse
the funny thing is the necrons could totally keep their civilisation perpetuated if they were willing to accept non necron as member of their dynasty (hell, hey can still use their bio furnaces to transform new member into necrons)
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be oh perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not. Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic. Yeah. There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape. ANd this guy he's trustworthy. You know what isn't trustorthy? an elari
So, a list of counter-arguments regarding the Necrons : -Trazyn being the reliable ally of Spire is put into perspective by the Necron side of the story. Trazyn effectively forced Amarkun (the Phaeron of the Nepheru) into defending his unactivated World Engine against Spire's assault, presumably because either outcome would benefit him. It's not Trazyn being a good ally, it's him trolling two people into ruining eachother day. (Granted, the narrative could change since, in the Imperium campaign, Amarkun is already dead, but it's Trazyn...he pulled a prank on Orikan once and created an Exterminatus because of it, he's anything but reliable). -Whilst Trazyn, Anrakyr and Szarekh have shown a modicum of respect toward Humanity , the vast majority of them do think Humans are slave-material at best and unworthy trashes at worst, because the Bio-transfert turned their previous megalomania to obsessive levels. And that's not counting those Necrons with genuine reasons to think the Imperium should crumble, as a revenge act for the destruction of Tomb Worlds. -Currently, Szarekh's plan against the Tyranids and Chaos is to build various "Nexuses" around the galaxy, where Noctilith technology basically block the Warp to the point that Humans "lose their souls" and die of inactivity. The Pariah Nexus is the most exposed one, but Psychic Awakening confirmed Szarekh had more built and he apparently plans to harvest the humans locked in it to see if they can be used to reverse the Bio-Transfert. Like, don't get me wrong, I agree with the vast majority of your points and I'm not even here to defend the Aeldari (it's not like there were much to defend anyway), but the idea that the Necrons are potential allies for the Imperium and not another major threats like Chaos, the Orks or the Tyranids is completely invalid now that Szarekh is fully active. I do not know if it's GW's writers forgetting what Szarekh did and say in "Words of the Silent King" or if there's yet unrevealed character traits between that short story and Pariah Nexus, but it's fair to say the Imperium has no hope for allies in this situation.
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be oh perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not. Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic. Yeah. There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape. ANd this guy he's trustworthy. You know what isn't trustorthy? an elari
-Trazyn is a slippery bastard but he is supresingly candid in his dealings, he helped Cawl with the Cadian pylons for instace, plus even the most pedestrian of Farseers outclass him on the field of double crossing and if you doubt me just look at almost any Dawn of War Campaign. -The most deference I've ever seen an Eldar show to a human was Eldrad talking to Guillimen (even there he chastised Robute for not speaking his Knife eared language properly lol) meanwhile Szarekh honored Sanguinius and it's outright stated that he respected him as apposed to Eldars viewing all humans as means to an end. "Esteemed foe" is a far cry more respectful than "Mon Keigh" -Unlike many of the Imperium's enemies, the Necrons can be reasonable. Ergo it's entirely possible for Bobby G to solve that situation with diplomacy.
@@Dogue83 Apparently, people missed the part where I said I wasn't defending the Aeldari. They also missed the part where Szarekh is now deeply entrenched in a plan that will cut off Humanity from communication, star voyages and even simple feelings as the Pariah Nexus expands. Yeah, I am sure that if Guilliman asks him nicely, the Silent King will stop being mean. That's how 40k works.
@@farseeraradrel4808 I'm just outlining how the Necrons are the superior Allies. Except It genuinely could work lol. I'm not talking about Guilliman going up Szarekh and hitting him with the talk no justso with sad emotional (Royalty free) music playing in the background. I'm talking about white peace after a bloody campaign, thats Bobby G's strong suit as well.
@@Dogue83 Okay, I see your point. It could happen, but I see Szarekh into too advantageous of a situation to concede a diplomatic solution. He's winning the War for the Nexus after all. My personnal take is that GW doesn't want to use alliances between aliens and the Imperium anymore. None of any described after Vigilus Ablaze has worked at all, either because the Imperium shot the alien party or because the alien party was unnanounced. The Ynnari moving from "allied to the Imperium to actively hunted by the Grey Knights" could be a symptom of that. You can also add the renewed aggression of more sensible species against Mankind since 9th Edition (Tau 4th Sphere of Expansion going berserk on them, Necron Pariah Nexuses and that kind of things). I admit my reasonning here willefully ignores BL novels, because whilst they can be awesome, it's pretty clear those novels are their own authors interpretation rather than some plan layed out by GW. Szarekh going from "We need Mankind" in WotSK to what he does in Warzone Nephilim shows this contradiction. For that reason, I wouldn't take Word of the Silent King as gospel. It is a 2014 novella released to explain the lore for Devil's Crag after the fact. Szarekh existed back then, but GW had no plan to exploit his character yet (he had no model after all). Ultimately, time will tell, but I'm well convinced GW will keep up with the motto "there is only war" and keep Szarekh and the Necrons as doom ennemies for the Imperium.
I think it's unfair to discount the eldar seeing as to how much they helped the return of guilleman, and his return to terra. That wasn't just Ynnari but also the laughing god's intervention and unlike tzeenitch he doesn't just do shit to 'do it' He's been screwing over slannesh with a fraction of her power and she can't even really handle them. Their death god and Khaine may be failures but it's likely they might be used or even fused to unite what little of the eldari there is. Not to mention the Eldari tried to prevent a decent amount of the Horus heresy, save their attack on Angron which cause the entire problem with angron, they were also being lured by the Eldari into conflict with xenos that would have otherwise remained hidden and became a huge problem for the imperium... So yea are the Eldari always trying to make sure they come out on top of each deal --Yes.... but that's what an Ally is and does they are not your slave or nation they got their own shit to worry about.
the problem is that the writers really fumbled the end of the ynnari books right as people have really been getting into 40k on masse because of darktide, and other factors. unfortunately we have to agree that the company is going to focus on factions based on who is going to buy them, and the eldar lacking in the ability to really even have recent cohesive story that doesn't fumble itself really sets it back. very few people buy eldar sets, focusing more on orks, humans or necrons. its an death spiral of 1. people don't play eldar much 2. eldar story gets less focus for eldar and so writing quality drops 3. because of worse/older/out-of-date lore people play it even less and you have models that are now over 20 years old for eldar 4. repeat. if the direction doesn't change soon the eldar may have a serious problem and the writers for 40k don't always have the best track record for non-human factions anyway.
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be oh perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not. Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic. Yeah. There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape. ANd this guy he's trustworthy. You know what isn't trustorthy? an elari
And Eldrad actually destroyed he Cabal which wanted to kill the Emperor He also took part in trying to stop the 13th Black Crusade by dueling Abaddon by himself Overhaul I would say that he got screwed by the Imperium more than the other way around
The necrons have aided the imperium multiple times including Trazyn who alongside Belisarius Caul almost closed the eye of terror during the fall of cadia which would have devastated the forces of chaos. the necrons are pretty reliable.
The tua have this problem where they are the most two faced faction to ally with and you can plainly see it in the Cain novels but I like the idea that the necrons will soon have to face a Tyranid force that can eat metal and pose a larger threat to them
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be oh perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not. Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic. Yeah. There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape. ANd this guy he's trustworthy. You know what isn't trustorthy? an elari
The Imperium always plans to execute their allies, even when their allies are within the Imperium itself. So, it’s not the Tau, but the Imperium that’s two-faced.
I would like Craftworld Iyanden to take action. The Eldar of Iyanden have had open diplomacy with the Imperium, no interest in taking territory from them like the Tau, or wiping them out like some of the more xenophobic Craftworlds. They also absolutely despise the Tyranids and almost certainly see the Imperium as the only force that could face them and win, so the Craftworld would give support.
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be oh perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not. Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic. Yeah. There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape. ANd this guy he's trustworthy. You know what isn't trustorthy? an elari
Eldar is the most reliable ally of the imperium. Both have work multiple times in the past, both knows the strength of each other, both knows not to trust each other and both knows when to backstab each other
The last one is...debatable. It's usually one-sided affair on humans end and there are many cases of Eldars don't even bother finishing their end of the bargain or holding their end of the deal. Ahd do I also have to mention they're suck at communicating with anyone who isn't an eldar?
I would play devil's advocate and argue that Orks are more reliable than Eldar by the same logic. The Imperium has hired ork mercenaries, from freebooter pirates to blood axe kommandoz, and even sided with an ork group to fight a larger foe. Despite these two groups' hostility, orks are even more dependable as their motives are more straightforward. They want a good fight and once the battle is over, they will predictably turn their shootahs on the imperium. The Eldar are naturally enigmatic and unpredictable great for behind-the-scenes manipulation, not great when they are your ally. If the Imperium sides with the Orks, they at least know the Orks will be on the front lines fighting, having a good time, unlike the Eldar.
Honestly, the Eldar need to accept the fact that they aren’t the top dog anymore. I still think they can be a great ally for the Imperium. But the quicker they recognize that their shit doesn’t smell any better than anyone else’s, the better. Also, the Grey Knights need to stop focusing on the Ynarri for a moment and redirect their focus on the Tyranids, mainly their psychic units like Zoanthopes. That way, the Ynarri can rebuild their strength… and so the Eldar can play a bigger part in the setting as a whole. Yes, I’m also aware that the Necrons are the most well equipped to fight the bugs. But Eldar Shuriken Launchers can tear the bugs apart with relative ease too. And better communication with Imperial Forces could also strengthen this partnership too.
@@antonyschenk4513 why the hell are the Grey Knights hunting the Ynarri? Didn't they revive a primarch for the Imperium? I thought The Imperium put them in the "talk first, shoot after" section of xenos?
As a massive Necron player/fan. Seeing a Silent King and Robute Guilliman alliance would make me so happy. Also as a side note. The best way I can describe the differences between the Eldar and the Necrons on the pretext that they both fill in that “Old but Powerful” trope. Is that the Eldar seem like that one guy whom tries really hard to come off as rich and successful but is actually one paycheck away from being broke. While the Necrons feel like someone whom comes from old money and genuinely knows their stuff.
Actually, I think GW was trying to make the imperium's representative for Necrons clone Fulgrim. Trazyn giving a small history lesson to Fulgrim about the truth about chaos and its nature and giving him a C'tan phase sword instead of the Laer blade would be amazing. It would also give Fulgrim a second chance at his intended role. Being an emmisary.
@@livefromtheblacklibraryTo be fair I think that's only really alluded to have happened by the Necrons, and it's not made clear whether Szarek and Sanguinius actually met, nor is the context of how/why/when it took place given. I'd love to see it confirmed and explored in depth in a novel set in the Great Crusade, in fact I would love for Black Library to put out more novels set during that era in general but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting.
The T’au aligned humans do kinda have a way of warding off Chaos influence through the goddess of the greater good that was inadvertently created through their power of belief, though she’s basically a sapling compared to the old oak Emperor.
I don’t think they’re gonna do anything in the grand scale of things, but Iyanden getting some revenge on the tyranids in a smaller scale battle could be neat
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be oh perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not. Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic. Yeah. There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape. ANd this guy he's trustworthy. You know what isn't trustorthy? an elari
For Xenos it depends on how the story plays out. If it is a last stand, no Tyranid crosses this line then yes the Necrons. But the story could just as much go in another way, as what if the Shadow in the Warp makes warp travel to hard to do so the Webway is needed. Guilliman has as many Inquisitors to find something they can make a deal for the Eldar use and guide of it. Of course not every Eldar will like this from all walks of life, so still combat can/will happen, but they are allies in more of a resource sharing sense. Another possibility is humanity's best ally is itself. It is in 2 main factions the Imperium and Chaos. "Let's celebrate what unites us all, Xenophobia". Have a story where the Thousand Sons and/or Red Corsairs save some Imperium ships from a sneak attack. Redo the whole Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors team up from the War of the Beast.
@@ghostra85he Eldar living in obscurity where they can circle jerk themselves into thinking that they're so much better than the Imperium. That is their only hope. Just being insignificant and hiding in a hidey hole in a corner of the galaxy.
@@ghostra85 To be fair, that argument was kind of turned on its head when Szarekh rose sector-wide "anti-living" arrays to strip Mankind of its connection to the Warp and souls. Like, I don't know what happend to him between WotSK and 9th Edition, but he seems to have changed his mind on this "Humans are the shield" ideology. Now, it's "Human are the sheeps".
@@farseeraradrel4808 Idk man, with everything that's been going on it's really, really hard not to believe the Eldar's role as unlikely ally has just been usurped by the Necrons, doomed to plot obscurity and irrelevance.
Given the direction Leviathan is coming from, we may also see more interactions/activity from the Q'orl. They are no friends of humanity, but there could be some interesting temporary alliances.
There's not much lore, but interesting spider zenox, they can't travel in the warp so not viewed as a threat by the imperium. However, their numbers are vast, can life almost anywhere, and I'm sure they could pad this lore with insights. I only know of them from the inquisitor books.
@@livefromtheblacklibrarye only reason the imperium hasn't lost it's shit with them, even though they are an entire xenos empire with more industrial capacity than the IMPERIUM, right NEXT to terra, is the fact they don't have ftl at all. Unfortunately they have been kidnapping navigators and human psykers to try and figure it out. So they are the 40k equivalent of the Skaven. If you think of the Tyranids like the lizardmen. They are, hands down, one of the factions the imperium keeps an eye out for just of sheer dread they become a problem. They are very unique race that GW could bring out at anytime since they work like a fusion between the Tau, the imperial guardsmen, and the Tyranids, but but with heavy aerial emphasis. It's quite interesting to look into.
@@sgtwarford - _"... they can't travel in the warp ... "_ Or can they? ... mind-controlled Navigators, stollen Warp drives, something like that ... IIRC.
Considering there's THREE entire fucking tyranid tendrils barreling straight to earth two of which are leviathan, the imperium really needs to suck it up as ask for help from anyone they can. Eldar, Votan, Tau, hell even the quarantined tomb worlds in segmentum Solar
Barely 1:42 seconds in but I'd bet it's the eldar because for the most part they've helped the imperium a fair bit with the resurrection of Bobby G and to my knowledge a fair bit of inqusitors associate with them. Edit:I see your point with the necrons and you have won me over but i think it's fair enough to mention to my knowledge the eldar has helped the imperium more than many others but in the defence of the tua and necrons they have been around long enough to help as much as the eldar have. And Also YES FUCK THE XENOS! Praise be to the god emporer!
GLORY TO EMPEROR, FUCK THE BUGS 😤 also if you asked me like a few years ago I’d say yeah Eldar for sure but GW has just been giving less and less of a shit about them in the lore which I doubt will change anytime soon
Personally I think it'd be the Harlequins, Votann leagues, a select few craftworlds AKA Ulthwe and Iyanden and the Silent king's faction amongst the Necrons. I am saying this purely for strategy which is different than what would actually happen if you want to make a story The Votann would in some manner see the Imperium at least as related to them and you know act like them meaning there's a far lesser cultural and straight up "our brains work differently" barrier than with the Eldar for example and in addition they focus largely on making good supply chains for entire planets they straight up crack and mine out of existence, all their tech is related to that of the Imperium but just better so there's less to learn about the weaponry used by the Votann in an ally situation, even with them in the galactic core they, as traders, would be exceedingly good at keeping up an actual supply chain The Harlequins is in it's entirety about the fact Cegorach would tell them to not be fucking morons. Isha the other Eldar god is just straight up benevolent by helping ANY race via telling them how to deal with Nurgle's plague and it's highly likely Cegorach is in some manner similar to her in mindset and attitude just... clowner in addition he would be most likely to force his followers to be less fucking arrogant for one his followers and they already seem to partially act more like the necrons with their thoughts and expression of superiority and secondly Cegorach in Eldar legend straight up tried to give the Eldar humility as a gift (not enough of it as we can see but still). He's likely to be closer to the silent king in mindset and attitude BUT just straight up more benevolent as the Eldar see and worship him likely as benevolent in his own way. Ulthwe I say WOULD work is because of Eldrad's entire philosophy on humanity and how humanity and the Eldar's fates are glued together AND with his former friendship with the Big E he's also likely to tell people he has influence over to not be as arrogant. Iyanden because we've just straight up seen them not be arrogant when we have the small short story of the Grey Knights giving them soulstones and have at least cordial relations with the Imperium as a whole as a regular ass human could STEAL ONE OF THEIR BIKES and they had AN EMBASSY FOR AN INQUISITOR on their craftworld. They already seemingly have similar or most likely better relationship than the T'au have with the Imperium You already went over the Silent King but I must specify HIM specifically since there's also Imotekh who's his own can of worms
I mostly agree what you say, but I think we yet to see what the space dwarves can bring to the table (if we going to get any books or stories with them). And I think that new god of 'Greater good' might yet become descent protection against chaos. If writers will not drop that idea as they did with eldars magic swords.
In older lore, it's implied that the Necrons meddled with the genetics of earth species long ago. Psychic blanks were the result of Necrons manipulation. They had a unit called Pariahs which were made from human blanks.
I feel the T’au would be the best ally in that the Imperium could still squish them once a Nid threat is (hopefully) dealt with. The Necrons would prove a great ally only as long as it served their interest, and facing a fully awakened Necron xenos would be like jumping out of the pan and into the fire for the Imperium
Eventually the Imperium may have to choose between the Eldar and the Necrons as the Tyranid threat becomes unmanageable but the Ynnari get stronger and the Necrons more fully awaken. Then a split could emerge between a Gulliman pro-Eldar faction and a Dante pro-Necron faction. Don't forget, the Eldar and the Necrons are ancient blood enemies from the War of the Gods.
@Tigran-Abazyan Now that would be an interesting situation. If there was one Traitor Primarch who might side with the Necrons that could be Perturabo....
The Necrons are definitely the best option. The tau are a insignificant force on a galactic scale. Well the eldar are in a similar position, with the addition of being incapable of holding any agreement for longer than 10 minutes. With Necrons assuming that they bother to talk to humans, there generally pretty good for there word. That trust makes them alot more appealing as a ally
Judging from nuggets in Necron lore from the Infinite and the Divine, other stories, previous codex editions/video games and the Void Dragon... I think the GW is planning on refreshing the Pariah models and the future lore. Some Necrons desire to reverse the bio transference and the blight of the Flayer Curse seems to give them some reasoning for 'harvesting' Humanity as the C'tan set in place eons ago. The Pariah Nexus show trailer with Illuminor Szeras seemed to tease that he is up to his own shenanigans on par with Trazyn and Orikan.
There’s also the fact that the necrons need the fleshy factions alive so they can become mortal again, and they can’t do that because the nids are eating them all, so I think it would be alliance between them
I think it could be cool if the alpha legion and iron warriors, kind of become a neutral faction because of the space cockroaches, not loyalist, but not exactly chaos because of it, and maybe have the return of another primark as well
I do not mind eldar getting the sharp end of the stick, honestly I would like to see a little xeno co-operation with any faction I'd like to see the reaction across the imperium
Necrons are indeed Humanity's best chance of an ally. That's really all I have to say on the matter. The Aeldari, Ynnari and the rest of the knife ears are too busy being treacherous little sweat goblins, meanwhile the Tau have the situational awareness of Hellen Keller on a good day. The Necrons recognise that the Tyranids are overall, on par with Chaos for galaxy ending crisis. However the Tyranids more-so are a threat to one of the secondary goals of the Necrons, reversing their bio-transference. Due in part to the fact that if the galaxy doesn't have organics in it for them to try an draw specimens from for experimentation in that, they cannot even possibly hope to begin those experiments.
I mean. Necrons only make sense against Tyrannids. Tomb Wolrds are void of life, Necrons are metal, any Tyrannid offensive against Necrons is a net-loss of biomass for the hive fleet. I think there is no greater advantage a faction can have against the Devourer.
Never seen your channel before but I love this first impression. It’s so rare to see anyone outright state that the imperium is necessary to humanity’s survival. I think people can’t see past “imperium bad”, and don’t realise that part of the horror and grimdark is that, in a setting as violent and brutal as 40k’s galaxy, only a culture that abandons compassion could truly stand against all threats without any other esoteric tools of war, such as mechanical immortality or mastery of the warp. I will, however, go to bat for the Kin, at least a little, as a fanboy often must. While I lament their lack of integration into the story so far (and am overjoyed to hear the rumours you mention about a novel, as I hadn’t heard them before), we do have some information about them to go on in terms of how they could contribute. For one, we’ve heard that the kin actually had a presence in the segmentum, mining worlds that were abandoned as the oncoming swarm approached. They clearly have enough presence across the galaxy to be able to at least reach the conflict. But moreso, the Kin have been known to work as mercenaries for any who can provide a tempting enough payment. They’ve worked with the imperium plenty enough, trading with them and hiring on as mercenaries. They definitely could be convinced to join the Tyrannic war, if offered a prize tempting enough. But we also know the Kin are so ballsy and industrious that they have followed around hive fleet tendrils, launching frequent small raids, in order to acquire biomass to use in scientific pursuits and as raw material for their cloning crucibles. They respect the tyranids, but they are not above taking them on for the sake of it. Now, this video is about “who’s the best ally”, and so we can’t really say for sure with the Votann, just because they’re so knew and unproven, so I can understand why you wouldn’t put them at number one. But I would be shocked if they don’t make some showing in the conflict, and most likely as a party nuetral to the imperium.
That script delivered by the necrons on them wearing these trinkets to honour their dead even when they do not mourn their losses was brilliantly sculpted. Necrons are a very interesting race, some dynasties behave very differently than others, and when they have been given their "minds" or personality back they really change because their motives are still unknown. They are not a big as threat to the imperium as Orks, chaos, Tyranids, and other malign races. Even though Necrons are truly deadly. Them forming an alliance with humans and assisting survival of humanity, though with selfish goals in mind, does lend them a certain credibility. And Necrons would find they share a lot with the Mechanicus. Necron or necrontyr returned in mind and spirit whilst still in bodies of living metal, could become a great ally to the Imperium at the most desperate times. There is this AUDIObook with GREAT voice acting and sound effects that has a necron lord trapped by Ahriman, The dialogue for him with those voice effects were masterful, "We conquered the stars and broke mortality, our wars burned reality and the dominion of our kings is without limit."
Necrons and there null zone is bit wild if they can make a better weapon or awaken more tomb worlds they can be more ally then foe to the Imperium but honestly Black Templar’s or inquisition probably wouldn’t want any or allow such heresy unless it’s given okay by powerful people
The inquistion is full of radical inquisitors who employ xenos, use heretical weaponry and often skirt the bounds on what most of the imperium finds traditional. Theres a ton of grey to be found with the relationships of races in the greater 40k setting than whats typically shown.
just from the headline, I asked myself that question while getting some water. I came to the same conclusion, from other bits of lore and thinking. 1st one entire faction in the Human Imperium is basically Necron Light (Although don't let the Adeptus Mechanicus hear that). 2nd Necron stand for Order. Something that the Imperium tries very hard to achieve. While Tau and Eldar are basically on the side of Order, they are too chaotic to really be Allied properly to it. 3rd Squats... I mean Leagues of Votann, while being Standards of Order, and basically being Human descended. They are weak and ineffective at this point in history. (Glad they are back with better lore than just "Space Dwarf") 4th Orcs you can bait them to be useful, but they aren't even allied to themselves. 5th... by the year 50k (if humans don't succumb to chaos, or are eaten by Nyds.) Necrons might find a way to control the Imperium, as Humans are very much like Necrontyr, and because of this Necrons might one day decide Humans are worth being a part of their empire. ((Note not much is know about the Necrontyr, but the few clues about them, and because the Old Ones died out 65 million years ago, means Humanity is not one of their creations, but we might be a creation of the Silent King. As to the Fan theory of the Tau being creations of the Silent King, the evidence actually disproves it rather quickly when you look closely. ))
Tau, as much as i love and main them, are too small and lack ftl, as you mentioned, although giving them control over a section of the imperium to then take it back once stabilized the situation could work in the imperiums favor, granted that they can ever stabilize it, and they cant, so necrons are indeed the best ally as things stand
I actually think an alliance with specific craft world’s could be made and in a more long term way now I’m not referring to craftworlds like biel tan or even ulthwe relations with them would remain the same but I could imagine a non aggression treaty and partial alliance working with the likes of Iyanden and Il-Kaithe hell there’s roomer of an inquisitorial embassy on Iyanden at one point so yeah the imperium can definitely chill out with certain ecldar
Necrons are the superior race to ally with Humanity. And them allying with the Imperium is basicallya grandpa with a 12g Shotgun helping a child with a airsoft gun fight off a bunch of wild animals to keep them off their lawn. They are superior, but are will to help others when it aids their goals. And them actually respecting humans, by name as well, shows how superior they are to everyone else, but also how honorable they are to those they actually consider allies. More Necron Human Alliances! That needs to happen! Both Chaos and the Tyranids would be screwed by the ultimate alliance between the true strongest factions in 40k.
The necrons where alive during their peak. They know they are confident in themselves as they remember being in top. The elder almost none of them where around during their peak. They have confidence issues cuz they know they where number one but now see not as powerful as races their ancestors thought as primitives. I think that’s a great point you mentioned about the difference between Necrons and elder in their views of superiority
Wait why would T'au worlds be falling to Nurgle specifically? Wouldn't Slannesh or Tzeench have more appeal given the caste system and vast classism? Like having things go stagnant sounds like it wouldnt appeal to T'au dissedents to me?
Tau are lucky because they have a tiny warp footprint and the chaos gods don't pay so much attention to them. Humans have a much bigger warp impact and thus are bothered far more by chaos.
After having read both The Twice Dead King and The Infinite & The Divine, I'm fully convinced the Necrons are the only actual heroes of the 40k universe, which says a lot about the 40k universe if the Necrons are the heroes... Yeah, the Imperium kinda needs the Necrons right about now. Not a single thing is going their way, and quite a few of the 'Crons have a few key assets that would really swing things Humanity's way in this upcoming war.
The WD 500 battle report says that a compliant imperial world can have a population of 28 million Squats. Which is insane, that’s an entire Peru’s worth of Xenos just vibing on a human planet.
Honestly necrons and humans are so alike I suspect a shared lineage (my theory is Old Ones seeded Terra with proto-necrontyr DNA as another gamble at a weaponized species like eldar and krork). That said, humans may be too similar to necrons for their own good. If necrons manage to reposition themselves as the dominant faction, one of their stated goals is to reverse the biotransferance by taking over HUMAN bodies.
I believe that theory myself and it fits the old ones. The old ones probably did it as one last Good deed. Reseeding the extinct race on an unmentionable planet to the galactic south.
The Necrons are just Space Tomb Kings. In Total Warhammer, the usual diplomatic penalty you get from being too powerful is flipped on the Tomb Kings, who are in awe of your mighty empire and thus see you as equals, turning their usual contempt for lesser Empires into a diplomacy bonus. Making them one of the few factions you can count on to not break away from you in the end game.
The Imperium should have a flexible Foreign Policy depending on local conditions using Rogue Traders and Inquisitors as Intermediaries with other factions.
The greyknights are doing WHAT?!, can´t games workshop just...give them a break?, they already put the last macguffin that the ynnari needed in the worst possible place freezing all of the plot line, now the greknights are hunting them down?, the next imperial civil war thing sure does look more believable
Necron Supremacy! The only xenos I'll ever tolerate! Serious tho, I agree 100% that the crons are the best option for humanity's ally. I really hope GW finally does something with Silent King in 10th
The Eldars are the better allies because they are not a threat for human domination and they have the litterally same enemies.. The problem with alliance is that humans want eldars to die for mankind. But it is just simple unneeded bullshit. If human army would be a meat shield and Eldar would attack shared enemy from their back, it still will be better then fight by yourself, actually. And in space Imperium fleet can be hammer, when eldar's warships will be scalpel on enemy's communication and supply lines. So Mankind just can make a deal of protection. Human army would protect Eldar's Craftworlds and Eldar's farseers would predict dangers for humans and eldars both and eldar armies would attack flanks and rear of their shared enemies.
Probably the Eldar I mean it was because of them that Guillumen is back. To their credit they did try and stop/warn the imperium about the Horus Hersey. And the Eldar and Grey Knights are pretty cool with each given the grey knights saved a lot of Eldar soul stones from being consumed. And returned them to the Eldar to. And craftworld Lyanden has open diplomacy with the imperium seeks to take no territory from them and even houses inquisitors on board it sometimes. Which should say something. Overall the Eldar and imperium have had probably the most amount of positive encounters and have made the most progress.
Necrons are probs the race that could benefit the most from humanity. A couple of under the table deals necrons could get several hive planets for biomass and biotranference and humanity gets necrom tech.
What do you mean "nothing" about the Votann? Firstly there's a bunch of old Squat lore retconned into the current Votann lore so most of that still counts - for instance the Demiurg who allied with the Tau are just a League now who happened to be trading with them. The Squats of Necromunda are just Kin who basically got stranded and settled there 10k years ago. the Squats of 2nd edition 40k were just a large League that humanity mistook for the entirety of their race. But they were still largely canon. There's also a bunch of lore in the 9th Edition Codex as well as some in the Kill Team: Gallowfall box. While it's minimal it's not "nothing" by any stretch of the imagination and one of the things described is their relationship with humanity. Basically the Kin are in it for themselves above all but will quite happily work with humans, who they regard as distant cousins, in order to achieve mutual goals. Against the Tyranids specifically they'll probably be more than amenable since if the Tyranids consume planets there's bot all for the Kin to exploit themselves. In fact if you read the codex you'd know there's a short story in which the Blood Angels hire kin mercenaries to help fight the Tyranids. So the main question is whether the Imperium can afford them.
When we start to see the main forces of the hivemind converge on the galaxy, I think a Human/Necron alliance is pretty likely. I just really hope they also throw Tau and Eldar in there for the ultimate alliance. Maybe that's a little too noblebright, but with the darkest hours approaching it could be the only thing keeping the galaxy alive.
I think the silent king and sanguineous saw a small part of each other in each other. Both sound nobility royalty, but both also saw. Somebody who had it foisted upon them. Not somebody who ever made the choice to take up the Command in rule of a whole people. But who had to do what they had to do? Because it was the right thing to do for the people that they cared about. In that sense I could imagine them having a very good report with one another. To the point where yes I can genuinely see the silent king requesting to Be given a death mask of probably the one human friend he has ever had. Because just like sanguines , he understands the pain of having to wear the weight of the crown And have all the hopes of a people put upon your shoulders even if you never ask for it.
Szarekh might also look to revert biotransference and create living immortal bodies for his people but to achieve this goal, the necrons still need living organisms to study and as vessel. something that would be gone if tyranid nomed the galaxy.
Funny, before I just watched your video. I've always said the Necrons and Humanity stand the best chances together. Something to consider is the Necrons do complement humanity, and the humans even though indirect" something the Necron relize" complement the Necrons.
9:50 It is mystery to why GW can't write Craftrworlds as capable and cool faction, when their counterparts in FB/AOS are. 17:00 it's because every part of what made them unique and cool was ether stripped away, destroyed or given to everybody else. Strong magic? Now every army will have Farseer-level Psykers, even Squats. Anti-grav technology? Now Space Marines and Custodes have it. Wraithknight? Now Imperium and Chaos have entire Factions of Knights(and Chaos even have Psyker one, lol). Titan Psyker? NOPE! Now Imperium have Ordo Sinister and Xenos are forgotten in Adeptus Titanicus. Strong Demigod? We will turn him into a joke first and then give everybody else analog(without joke part). Super specialized soldier? Good chunk of Primaris Space Marines are just Aspect Warriors in Power Armor and better. Sense of superiority doesn't work when you don't have anything superior. Necrons at least have numbers and technology. Craftworlds don't have a shit.
9:50 is explained in 2 reasons 1. The writers suck and they rarely can create compelling characters regardless of faction. 2. The Eldar represents GW CEO’s which the writers hate, so they don’t want to write them well.
There are two major issues with your analysis: 1: battlefleet gothic 2 is non-cannon, the devs themselves said it was a "what if" timeline, there fore it is not a good source. 2: Not all of the necrons follow the slient king, the infinite empire is very, very fractured, and many pharaons just want to wipe out everything. Sense he got rid of the command protocols before his exlie, the slient king is having real problems keeping everyone in line. And one last thing, I think the tau could be WAY bigger of a player than you think, alibet indirectly. Remember, in short time farsight enclave earth caste members were able to engineer a virus, that while ultimnately lost due to how it was deployed, self replicated through and annihilated an entire hive fleet splinter. If the more flexible members of the inquisition work with the tau/farsight to make another virus like that, they could easily blunt the 4th tyrannic war.
The Orks are great against the Tyranids. Just spread the word about DA BIG FOIT, and they will come from all over to join. It's just the after party you gotta worry about. The Orks are more of a weapon than an ally. Also as a side note every time the Orks and humans have worked together they have been an unstoppable force. During a fight they work together perfectly, after, uhhhhhhhh....
I think the best way to realize why the necrons are humanities greatest ally is that quote from the infinite and the divine where trazyn says "Weak, frail, of short lifespans and dangerously advanced technology, don't they remind you of something orikan?" the necrons know exactly how it feels to be human
LMAO TRU, I really need to read that book
@livefromtheblacklibrary I kinda think that the Necrons will be interested in keeping Humanity around in some way or form because we might be their best hope for apotheosis and regaining bodies of flesh and blood. Necron'Tyr and humans seem pretty similar physiologically (atleast when comparing human skeletons to average Necron designs) and the Egyptian symbolism seems like a very intentional parallel. Not to mention the Void Dragon having come to Earth in the ancient past and the apparent presence of Necron tech on Mars when that random Necron fleet made a mad dash for it. The Necrons had to have known about Humanity to some extent after the Old Ones created us.
Then there are the old Necron Pariahs. They may be old lore that is ignored or forgotten nowadays, but I always thought there had to be a particular reason that Humans, out of all the races in the galaxy, were the ones that Necrons chose to experiment on in such a way. And not just because of the Pariah gene that causes some humans to be born as blanks.
While the origin of blanks and untouchables has never really been officially explained, considering that blanks are considered to be reverse-psykers of a kind, and the Necrons are the only known species to make use of the only material known to be capable of reversing warp energies (Blackstone), I really feel like Humanity and the Necrons have to have some bigger link, both in the past and possibly intended for future lore.
I've always had a tinfoil hat theory that the Necrons and/or C'tan are actually the ones who created the Pariah gene in the first place, and that they introduced it to ancient Humanity while we were still "fresh". Possibly in an attempt to sabotage the Old Ones' newest weapon that was going to be used against them.
Humans are obviously a relatively psychic race and getting more so all the time. So, I wonder if we would have been just as psychically gifted, if not moreso, than the Eldar if we evolved according to the Old One's original plan. But since we know the Necrons and C'tan fear warp energies above all else, I think their tampering could have stunted our psychic growth and even resulted in the occasional blank being born. Seems like a way of turning the Old Ones' newest pet species against them. This is why I really wish they would reintroduce Necron Pariahs back into the story. There are so many interesting ways they could move the story forward using them.
Or when Orikan says "they reproduce trough the same holes they dispose their trash" xDDD man I love Trazyn and Orikan duo, never thought that the relationship between two 65milion year old robots would bring tears of joy and sadness to my face.
@@livefromtheblacklibraryI'm not even a Necron fan, but Infinite and the Divine is the absolute best 40k novel. Hands down.
I would legitimately recommended the infinite and the divine to people as their first 40k book
Necrons also are, ironically, the most "human" xenos out there. They genuinely feel like an ancient human culture.
Exactly
And that's why I don't like how the Necrons were changed. Sure, they became *much* more interesting, but they lost their shtick as a faction.
@@steelbear2063You mean just the nids with the only difference being is that one is a bug and the other one is terminator?
The Eldar are pretty much humanoids just with pointy ears though
@@peaceunion5316Because their Elves!
I think an alliance with the Necrons would be really interesting but the one I'd like to see most is a team up with Farsight.
True but again, he’s on the other side of the galaxy
Farsight had his own problems right now. His domain of 5 worlds is constantly being raided by orks and Chaos
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be
oh
perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not.
Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic.
Yeah.
There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape.
ANd this guy
he's trustworthy.
You know what isn't trustorthy?
an elari
@bobsterclause342 Cegorach is like that. Still says a lot that he's more trustworthy than 99% of his people
@@phantomwraith1984 btw, there any que'vesa at farsight's enclave or its pure tau ( tau/kroot) faction ?
Trazyn's Cadia moment, atop the Dante thing, set a narrative tempo for the Necrons as being far more amiable than the dying race which birthed a chaos god.
...and comedies like the infinite & Divine, semi-humanizing these metal maniacs over their multi-millennia trolling sprees.
Oh absolutely, and the Twice Dead King books established that they’re near the region of the 4th Tyrannic war
That would be a major lore crime. The Bone Kingdom of Drazakh is supposed to be in the Ghouls Stars on the other end of the Galaxy I thought. It’s not in segment I’m pacificus, or not supposed to be.
Soulless mechanical beings having more respect and even little bite of humanity then the pointed stuck up space elves.
It really do be like that
Wel because of their emotions and how they experience every while have been the dominate force in the galaxy for millions of years with superior technology will do that to you..look at the dark eldar. It's impressive all Eldar are not like that for living so long the way they are. Necron are more logical while Eldar have emotions cranked really high the whole time.
using the humans as shields is probably necessary from szarekh's perspective as every time he cant completely obliterate a tendril of the hive fleet, it sends a bit more info back to the hivemind about necrons. his greatest fear is probably the fleet creating an effective anti-necron form that resists molecular attacks through some fusion of sorcery and evolution. such a tyranid would be almost invincible to everyone who isnt capable of orokin or mephisto levels of power, or is a strong enough blank. tyranids adapting to kill humans is bad, tyranids adapting to kill necrons is far worse
Also the Necrons cannot replace their losses but Humans can.
I vote necrons for sure
METALSUPREMACY
the funny thing is the necrons could totally keep their civilisation perpetuated if they were willing to accept non necron as member of their dynasty (hell, hey can still use their bio furnaces to transform new member into necrons)
Of course they would be good allies, they even took inspiration from the ancient Egyptians
They are great but bit too wild card like Silent King could see the humans as too Xeno hostile and war is inevitable
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be
oh
perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not.
Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic.
Yeah.
There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape.
ANd this guy
he's trustworthy.
You know what isn't trustorthy?
an elari
So, a list of counter-arguments regarding the Necrons :
-Trazyn being the reliable ally of Spire is put into perspective by the Necron side of the story. Trazyn effectively forced Amarkun (the Phaeron of the Nepheru) into defending his unactivated World Engine against Spire's assault, presumably because either outcome would benefit him. It's not Trazyn being a good ally, it's him trolling two people into ruining eachother day.
(Granted, the narrative could change since, in the Imperium campaign, Amarkun is already dead, but it's Trazyn...he pulled a prank on Orikan once and created an Exterminatus because of it, he's anything but reliable).
-Whilst Trazyn, Anrakyr and Szarekh have shown a modicum of respect toward Humanity , the vast majority of them do think Humans are slave-material at best and unworthy trashes at worst, because the Bio-transfert turned their previous megalomania to obsessive levels. And that's not counting those Necrons with genuine reasons to think the Imperium should crumble, as a revenge act for the destruction of Tomb Worlds.
-Currently, Szarekh's plan against the Tyranids and Chaos is to build various "Nexuses" around the galaxy, where Noctilith technology basically block the Warp to the point that Humans "lose their souls" and die of inactivity. The Pariah Nexus is the most exposed one, but Psychic Awakening confirmed Szarekh had more built and he apparently plans to harvest the humans locked in it to see if they can be used to reverse the Bio-Transfert.
Like, don't get me wrong, I agree with the vast majority of your points and I'm not even here to defend the Aeldari (it's not like there were much to defend anyway), but the idea that the Necrons are potential allies for the Imperium and not another major threats like Chaos, the Orks or the Tyranids is completely invalid now that Szarekh is fully active.
I do not know if it's GW's writers forgetting what Szarekh did and say in "Words of the Silent King" or if there's yet unrevealed character traits between that short story and Pariah Nexus, but it's fair to say the Imperium has no hope for allies in this situation.
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be
oh
perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not.
Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic.
Yeah.
There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape.
ANd this guy
he's trustworthy.
You know what isn't trustorthy?
an elari
-Trazyn is a slippery bastard but he is supresingly candid in his dealings, he helped Cawl with the Cadian pylons for instace, plus even the most pedestrian of Farseers outclass him on the field of double crossing and if you doubt me just look at almost any Dawn of War Campaign.
-The most deference I've ever seen an Eldar show to a human was Eldrad talking to Guillimen (even there he chastised Robute for not speaking his Knife eared language properly lol) meanwhile Szarekh honored Sanguinius and it's outright stated that he respected him as apposed to Eldars viewing all humans as means to an end.
"Esteemed foe" is a far cry more respectful than "Mon Keigh"
-Unlike many of the Imperium's enemies, the Necrons can be reasonable.
Ergo it's entirely possible for Bobby G to solve that situation with diplomacy.
@@Dogue83 Apparently, people missed the part where I said I wasn't defending the Aeldari.
They also missed the part where Szarekh is now deeply entrenched in a plan that will cut off Humanity from communication, star voyages and even simple feelings as the Pariah Nexus expands.
Yeah, I am sure that if Guilliman asks him nicely, the Silent King will stop being mean. That's how 40k works.
@@farseeraradrel4808 I'm just outlining how the Necrons are the superior Allies.
Except It genuinely could work lol.
I'm not talking about Guilliman going up Szarekh and hitting him with the talk no justso with sad emotional (Royalty free) music playing in the background.
I'm talking about white peace after a bloody campaign, thats Bobby G's strong suit as well.
@@Dogue83 Okay, I see your point.
It could happen, but I see Szarekh into too advantageous of a situation to concede a diplomatic solution. He's winning the War for the Nexus after all.
My personnal take is that GW doesn't want to use alliances between aliens and the Imperium anymore. None of any described after Vigilus Ablaze has worked at all, either because the Imperium shot the alien party or because the alien party was unnanounced. The Ynnari moving from "allied to the Imperium to actively hunted by the Grey Knights" could be a symptom of that. You can also add the renewed aggression of more sensible species against Mankind since 9th Edition (Tau 4th Sphere of Expansion going berserk on them, Necron Pariah Nexuses and that kind of things).
I admit my reasonning here willefully ignores BL novels, because whilst they can be awesome, it's pretty clear those novels are their own authors interpretation rather than some plan layed out by GW. Szarekh going from "We need Mankind" in WotSK to what he does in Warzone Nephilim shows this contradiction.
For that reason, I wouldn't take Word of the Silent King as gospel. It is a 2014 novella released to explain the lore for Devil's Crag after the fact. Szarekh existed back then, but GW had no plan to exploit his character yet (he had no model after all).
Ultimately, time will tell, but I'm well convinced GW will keep up with the motto "there is only war" and keep Szarekh and the Necrons as doom ennemies for the Imperium.
I think it's unfair to discount the eldar seeing as to how much they helped the return of guilleman, and his return to terra. That wasn't just Ynnari but also the laughing god's intervention and unlike tzeenitch he doesn't just do shit to 'do it' He's been screwing over slannesh with a fraction of her power and she can't even really handle them. Their death god and Khaine may be failures but it's likely they might be used or even fused to unite what little of the eldari there is.
Not to mention the Eldari tried to prevent a decent amount of the Horus heresy, save their attack on Angron which cause the entire problem with angron, they were also being lured by the Eldari into conflict with xenos that would have otherwise remained hidden and became a huge problem for the imperium... So yea are the Eldari always trying to make sure they come out on top of each deal --Yes.... but that's what an Ally is and does they are not your slave or nation they got their own shit to worry about.
the problem is that the writers really fumbled the end of the ynnari books right as people have really been getting into 40k on masse because of darktide, and other factors. unfortunately we have to agree that the company is going to focus on factions based on who is going to buy them, and the eldar lacking in the ability to really even have recent cohesive story that doesn't fumble itself really sets it back. very few people buy eldar sets, focusing more on orks, humans or necrons.
its an death spiral of 1. people don't play eldar much 2. eldar story gets less focus for eldar and so writing quality drops 3. because of worse/older/out-of-date lore people play it even less and you have models that are now over 20 years old for eldar 4. repeat.
if the direction doesn't change soon the eldar may have a serious problem and the writers for 40k don't always have the best track record for non-human factions anyway.
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be
oh
perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not.
Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic.
Yeah.
There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape.
ANd this guy
he's trustworthy.
You know what isn't trustorthy?
an elari
And Eldrad actually destroyed he Cabal which wanted to kill the Emperor
He also took part in trying to stop the 13th Black Crusade by dueling Abaddon by himself
Overhaul I would say that he got screwed by the Imperium more than the other way around
The necrons have aided the imperium multiple times including Trazyn who alongside Belisarius Caul almost closed the eye of terror during the fall of cadia which would have devastated the forces of chaos. the necrons are pretty reliable.
The tua have this problem where they are the most two faced faction to ally with and you can plainly see it in the Cain novels but I like the idea that the necrons will soon have to face a Tyranid force that can eat metal and pose a larger threat to them
OHHHH DAMN TRU, MECHA TYRANIDS INCOMING
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be
oh
perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not.
Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic.
Yeah.
There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape.
ANd this guy
he's trustworthy.
You know what isn't trustorthy?
an elari
I see it less as two-faced and more as understandably doubtful about the Imperium's sincerity beyond the immediate moment.
The Imperium always plans to execute their allies, even when their allies are within the Imperium itself.
So, it’s not the Tau, but the Imperium that’s two-faced.
Collin of Pancreasnowork would support Yvraine.
Same 👉👈
Didn't know his name was Colin, but yeah they're good allies because they NEED us as a Bulwark
Nothing quite like simping for the objectively correct choice.
I would like Craftworld Iyanden to take action. The Eldar of Iyanden have had open diplomacy with the Imperium, no interest in taking territory from them like the Tau, or wiping them out like some of the more xenophobic Craftworlds.
They also absolutely despise the Tyranids and almost certainly see the Imperium as the only force that could face them and win, so the Craftworld would give support.
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be
oh
perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not.
Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic.
Yeah.
There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape.
ANd this guy
he's trustworthy.
You know what isn't trustorthy?
an elari
@@bobsterclause342 stop fucking spamming this reported
@@bobsterclause342 You do realise that was Trazyn who trapped those chaos marines, it had nothing to do with the eldar.
Eldar is the most reliable ally of the imperium. Both have work multiple times in the past, both knows the strength of each other, both knows not to trust each other and both knows when to backstab each other
The last one is...debatable. It's usually one-sided affair on humans end and there are many cases of Eldars don't even bother finishing their end of the bargain or holding their end of the deal.
Ahd do I also have to mention they're suck at communicating with anyone who isn't an eldar?
I would play devil's advocate and argue that Orks are more reliable than Eldar by the same logic. The Imperium has hired ork mercenaries, from freebooter pirates to blood axe kommandoz, and even sided with an ork group to fight a larger foe. Despite these two groups' hostility, orks are even more dependable as their motives are more straightforward. They want a good fight and once the battle is over, they will predictably turn their shootahs on the imperium. The Eldar are naturally enigmatic and unpredictable great for behind-the-scenes manipulation, not great when they are your ally. If the Imperium sides with the Orks, they at least know the Orks will be on the front lines fighting, having a good time, unlike the Eldar.
Honestly, the Eldar need to accept the fact that they aren’t the top dog anymore. I still think they can be a great ally for the Imperium. But the quicker they recognize that their shit doesn’t smell any better than anyone else’s, the better. Also, the Grey Knights need to stop focusing on the Ynarri for a moment and redirect their focus on the Tyranids, mainly their psychic units like Zoanthopes. That way, the Ynarri can rebuild their strength… and so the Eldar can play a bigger part in the setting as a whole.
Yes, I’m also aware that the Necrons are the most well equipped to fight the bugs. But Eldar Shuriken Launchers can tear the bugs apart with relative ease too. And better communication with Imperial Forces could also strengthen this partnership too.
@@antonyschenk4513 why the hell are the Grey Knights hunting the Ynarri? Didn't they revive a primarch for the Imperium? I thought The Imperium put them in the "talk first, shoot after" section of xenos?
@@antonyschenk4513 psyker tyranids are still just tyranids. Not chaos. These are strictly the Deathwatchs problem.
Reminder that Trazyn and the Necrons were the biggest allies during the 13th Black Crusade
Common Necron W
As a massive Necron player/fan. Seeing a Silent King and Robute Guilliman alliance would make me so happy.
Also as a side note. The best way I can describe the differences between the Eldar and the Necrons on the pretext that they both fill in that “Old but Powerful” trope. Is that the Eldar seem like that one guy whom tries really hard to come off as rich and successful but is actually one paycheck away from being broke. While the Necrons feel like someone whom comes from old money and genuinely knows their stuff.
Actually, I think GW was trying to make the imperium's representative for Necrons clone Fulgrim.
Trazyn giving a small history lesson to Fulgrim about the truth about chaos and its nature and giving him a C'tan phase sword instead of the Laer blade would be amazing.
It would also give Fulgrim a second chance at his intended role. Being an emmisary.
It's not related to the Fourth Tyrannic War, but I could see Ghazghkull allying with the Steel Legion to hunt down Angron
I dont think sanguinius actually met the silent king I think the silent king just admired and observed him from afar
No apparently they met and almost struck up an alliance
@@livefromtheblacklibrary really? What book was that?
@@livefromtheblacklibraryTo be fair I think that's only really alluded to have happened by the Necrons, and it's not made clear whether Szarek and Sanguinius actually met, nor is the context of how/why/when it took place given. I'd love to see it confirmed and explored in depth in a novel set in the Great Crusade, in fact I would love for Black Library to put out more novels set during that era in general but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting.
I hope they drop that plot line all together
@@MrJara1018 Agreed. It turns 40k into Star Wars, as in, the setting becomes a soap opera where everyone knows everyone already.
The T’au aligned humans do kinda have a way of warding off Chaos influence through the goddess of the greater good that was inadvertently created through their power of belief, though she’s basically a sapling compared to the old oak Emperor.
I don’t think they’re gonna do anything in the grand scale of things, but Iyanden getting some revenge on the tyranids in a smaller scale battle could be neat
Oh true! Though honestly I think that was just a lore piece meant to carry on the meme of Lyanden getting fucked
Why do we not like or trust the eldar, why why why might that be
oh
perhaps it's becuase a troll god is honderable and they are not.
Did you know, there is this massive troll, who goes around collecting netire armies and putting modifications on them and giving them weird poses, all so that things look more spectacular and bombastic.
Yeah.
There are these asshole caos marines trapped in a time loop because he litterally goes in and tells them they jailed themselves becuase they choose to try to steal this trinket becase the reactions just never get old, even though if he fails, they probably escape.
ANd this guy
he's trustworthy.
You know what isn't trustorthy?
an elari
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Yeah, it’s hopeful thinking, but a elf can dream
For Xenos it depends on how the story plays out. If it is a last stand, no Tyranid crosses this line then yes the Necrons. But the story could just as much go in another way, as what if the Shadow in the Warp makes warp travel to hard to do so the Webway is needed. Guilliman has as many Inquisitors to find something they can make a deal for the Eldar use and guide of it. Of course not every Eldar will like this from all walks of life, so still combat can/will happen, but they are allies in more of a resource sharing sense.
Another possibility is humanity's best ally is itself. It is in 2 main factions the Imperium and Chaos. "Let's celebrate what unites us all, Xenophobia". Have a story where the Thousand Sons and/or Red Corsairs save some Imperium ships from a sneak attack. Redo the whole Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors team up from the War of the Beast.
I honestly am sick of this franchise with how it's done the Eldar. Like what is even the point
Unironically prayer circle for the Eldar…
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I mean you said it yourself, when even the Necrons are seen as more reliable what actually is the hope for them?
@@ghostra85he Eldar living in obscurity where they can circle jerk themselves into thinking that they're so much better than the Imperium. That is their only hope. Just being insignificant and hiding in a hidey hole in a corner of the galaxy.
@@ghostra85 To be fair, that argument was kind of turned on its head when Szarekh rose sector-wide "anti-living" arrays to strip Mankind of its connection to the Warp and souls.
Like, I don't know what happend to him between WotSK and 9th Edition, but he seems to have changed his mind on this "Humans are the shield" ideology. Now, it's "Human are the sheeps".
@@farseeraradrel4808 Idk man, with everything that's been going on it's really, really hard not to believe the Eldar's role as unlikely ally has just been usurped by the Necrons, doomed to plot obscurity and irrelevance.
Given the direction Leviathan is coming from, we may also see more interactions/activity from the Q'orl.
They are no friends of humanity, but there could be some interesting temporary alliances.
Ohhhh I haven’t heard of them 👀
There's not much lore, but interesting spider zenox, they can't travel in the warp so not viewed as a threat by the imperium. However, their numbers are vast, can life almost anywhere, and I'm sure they could pad this lore with insights.
I only know of them from the inquisitor books.
@@livefromtheblacklibrarye only reason the imperium hasn't lost it's shit with them, even though they are an entire xenos empire with more industrial capacity than the IMPERIUM, right NEXT to terra, is the fact they don't have ftl at all.
Unfortunately they have been kidnapping navigators and human psykers to try and figure it out.
So they are the 40k equivalent of the Skaven.
If you think of the Tyranids like the lizardmen.
They are, hands down, one of the factions the imperium keeps an eye out for just of sheer dread they become a problem.
They are very unique race that GW could bring out at anytime since they work like a fusion between the Tau, the imperial guardsmen, and the Tyranids, but but with heavy aerial emphasis.
It's quite interesting to look into.
@@sgtwarford - _"... they can't travel in the warp ... "_
Or can they? ... mind-controlled Navigators, stollen Warp drives, something like that ... IIRC.
Considering there's THREE entire fucking tyranid tendrils barreling straight to earth two of which are leviathan, the imperium really needs to suck it up as ask for help from anyone they can. Eldar, Votan, Tau, hell even the quarantined tomb worlds in segmentum Solar
YEEEEEEP and honestly it could make for a good storyline
Barely 1:42 seconds in but I'd bet it's the eldar because for the most part they've helped the imperium a fair bit with the resurrection of Bobby G and to my knowledge a fair bit of inqusitors associate with them.
Edit:I see your point with the necrons and you have won me over but i think it's fair enough to mention to my knowledge the eldar has helped the imperium more than many others but in the defence of the tua and necrons they have been around long enough to help as much as the eldar have. And Also YES FUCK THE XENOS! Praise be to the god emporer!
GLORY TO EMPEROR, FUCK THE BUGS 😤 also if you asked me like a few years ago I’d say yeah Eldar for sure but GW has just been giving less and less of a shit about them in the lore which I doubt will change anytime soon
Personally I think it'd be the Harlequins, Votann leagues, a select few craftworlds AKA Ulthwe and Iyanden and the Silent king's faction amongst the Necrons. I am saying this purely for strategy which is different than what would actually happen if you want to make a story
The Votann would in some manner see the Imperium at least as related to them and you know act like them meaning there's a far lesser cultural and straight up "our brains work differently" barrier than with the Eldar for example and in addition they focus largely on making good supply chains for entire planets they straight up crack and mine out of existence, all their tech is related to that of the Imperium but just better so there's less to learn about the weaponry used by the Votann in an ally situation, even with them in the galactic core they, as traders, would be exceedingly good at keeping up an actual supply chain
The Harlequins is in it's entirety about the fact Cegorach would tell them to not be fucking morons. Isha the other Eldar god is just straight up benevolent by helping ANY race via telling them how to deal with Nurgle's plague and it's highly likely Cegorach is in some manner similar to her in mindset and attitude just... clowner in addition he would be most likely to force his followers to be less fucking arrogant for one his followers and they already seem to partially act more like the necrons with their thoughts and expression of superiority and secondly Cegorach in Eldar legend straight up tried to give the Eldar humility as a gift (not enough of it as we can see but still). He's likely to be closer to the silent king in mindset and attitude BUT just straight up more benevolent as the Eldar see and worship him likely as benevolent in his own way.
Ulthwe I say WOULD work is because of Eldrad's entire philosophy on humanity and how humanity and the Eldar's fates are glued together AND with his former friendship with the Big E he's also likely to tell people he has influence over to not be as arrogant. Iyanden because we've just straight up seen them not be arrogant when we have the small short story of the Grey Knights giving them soulstones and have at least cordial relations with the Imperium as a whole as a regular ass human could STEAL ONE OF THEIR BIKES and they had AN EMBASSY FOR AN INQUISITOR on their craftworld. They already seemingly have similar or most likely better relationship than the T'au have with the Imperium
You already went over the Silent King but I must specify HIM specifically since there's also Imotekh who's his own can of worms
I made so many mistakes in names and spelling here and can't edit it... shit
Edit: I can edit again
I mostly agree what you say, but I think we yet to see what the space dwarves can bring to the table (if we going to get any books or stories with them). And I think that new god of 'Greater good' might yet become descent protection against chaos. If writers will not drop that idea as they did with eldars magic swords.
Yeeeaaahh lol
In older lore, it's implied that the Necrons meddled with the genetics of earth species long ago. Psychic blanks were the result of Necrons manipulation. They had a unit called Pariahs which were made from human blanks.
Dang I hope Kryptman is informed. He's basically Dr. Tyranid. Or is he still busy with Octarius 😅🤣
YEAH HES APPARENTLYCOMING BACK
Tyranids can't kill trillions of humans if you do it first.
@@samiamtheman7379 The man was exiled.
From the Inquisition.
For being TO CRUEL.
It’d be interesting if the lion and farsight made some sort of alliance
I feel the T’au would be the best ally in that the Imperium could still squish them once a Nid threat is (hopefully) dealt with. The Necrons would prove a great ally only as long as it served their interest, and facing a fully awakened Necron xenos would be like jumping out of the pan and into the fire for the Imperium
The Talleran and an eldar craft world made an alliance for all time.
The biggest Ork Waaagh will come when the devourers make it clear they are the better fight
There is only the Eldar, all others cook their own soup
This video was... I'm tired today
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@@livefromtheblacklibrary oOoOO a video analysis of the Hive Mind?
Eventually the Imperium may have to choose between the Eldar and the Necrons as the Tyranid threat becomes unmanageable but the Ynnari get stronger and the Necrons more fully awaken. Then a split could emerge between a Gulliman pro-Eldar faction and a Dante pro-Necron faction. Don't forget, the Eldar and the Necrons are ancient blood enemies from the War of the Gods.
@Tigran-Abazyan Now that would be an interesting situation. If there was one Traitor Primarch who might side with the Necrons that could be Perturabo....
The Necrons are definitely the best option. The tau are a insignificant force on a galactic scale.
Well the eldar are in a similar position, with the addition of being incapable of holding any agreement for longer than 10 minutes.
With Necrons assuming that they bother to talk to humans, there generally pretty good for there word. That trust makes them alot more appealing as a ally
Judging from nuggets in Necron lore from the Infinite and the Divine, other stories, previous codex editions/video games and the Void Dragon... I think the GW is planning on refreshing the Pariah models and the future lore. Some Necrons desire to reverse the bio transference and the blight of the Flayer Curse seems to give them some reasoning for 'harvesting' Humanity as the C'tan set in place eons ago.
The Pariah Nexus show trailer with Illuminor Szeras seemed to tease that he is up to his own shenanigans on par with Trazyn and Orikan.
Well I met this nice family that told me about some star gods, by the sounds of things I think they could make some pretty good ally’s for humanity.
There’s also the fact that the necrons need the fleshy factions alive so they can become mortal again, and they can’t do that because the nids are eating them all, so I think it would be alliance between them
I think it could be cool if the alpha legion and iron warriors, kind of become a neutral faction because of the space cockroaches, not loyalist, but not exactly chaos because of it, and maybe have the return of another primark as well
I do not mind eldar getting the sharp end of the stick, honestly I would like to see a little xeno co-operation with any faction I'd like to see the reaction across the imperium
Necrons are indeed Humanity's best chance of an ally.
That's really all I have to say on the matter.
The Aeldari, Ynnari and the rest of the knife ears are too busy being treacherous little sweat goblins, meanwhile the Tau have the situational awareness of Hellen Keller on a good day.
The Necrons recognise that the Tyranids are overall, on par with Chaos for galaxy ending crisis. However the Tyranids more-so are a threat to one of the secondary goals of the Necrons, reversing their bio-transference.
Due in part to the fact that if the galaxy doesn't have organics in it for them to try an draw specimens from for experimentation in that, they cannot even possibly hope to begin those experiments.
I mean. Necrons only make sense against Tyrannids. Tomb Wolrds are void of life, Necrons are metal, any Tyrannid offensive against Necrons is a net-loss of biomass for the hive fleet. I think there is no greater advantage a faction can have against the Devourer.
I think if Ghazghkull would ever grow into becoming a prime ork, some sort of alliance could be made with the orks.
Its clearly Da Orks. They'd never abandon the imperials during a fight *cough* Dark Angles
They really shafted the elfs
Never seen your channel before but I love this first impression. It’s so rare to see anyone outright state that the imperium is necessary to humanity’s survival. I think people can’t see past “imperium bad”, and don’t realise that part of the horror and grimdark is that, in a setting as violent and brutal as 40k’s galaxy, only a culture that abandons compassion could truly stand against all threats without any other esoteric tools of war, such as mechanical immortality or mastery of the warp.
I will, however, go to bat for the Kin, at least a little, as a fanboy often must.
While I lament their lack of integration into the story so far (and am overjoyed to hear the rumours you mention about a novel, as I hadn’t heard them before), we do have some information about them to go on in terms of how they could contribute.
For one, we’ve heard that the kin actually had a presence in the segmentum, mining worlds that were abandoned as the oncoming swarm approached. They clearly have enough presence across the galaxy to be able to at least reach the conflict.
But moreso, the Kin have been known to work as mercenaries for any who can provide a tempting enough payment. They’ve worked with the imperium plenty enough, trading with them and hiring on as mercenaries. They definitely could be convinced to join the Tyrannic war, if offered a prize tempting enough.
But we also know the Kin are so ballsy and industrious that they have followed around hive fleet tendrils, launching frequent small raids, in order to acquire biomass to use in scientific pursuits and as raw material for their cloning crucibles. They respect the tyranids, but they are not above taking them on for the sake of it.
Now, this video is about “who’s the best ally”, and so we can’t really say for sure with the Votann, just because they’re so knew and unproven, so I can understand why you wouldn’t put them at number one. But I would be shocked if they don’t make some showing in the conflict, and most likely as a party nuetral to the imperium.
friendship is magic and magic is heresy!
😤👏
''we respect their dead even if we do not mourne them''....thats cold....fitting
Absolutely!
This post right here, Lord Inquisitor
Having some necrons effectively join the Imperium and seek to become human would be outstanding.
That script delivered by the necrons on them wearing these trinkets to honour their dead even when they do not mourn their losses was brilliantly sculpted.
Necrons are a very interesting race, some dynasties behave very differently than others, and when they have been given their "minds" or personality back they really change because their motives are still unknown. They are not a big as threat to the imperium as Orks, chaos, Tyranids, and other malign races. Even though Necrons are truly deadly. Them forming an alliance with humans and assisting survival of humanity, though with selfish goals in mind, does lend them a certain credibility. And Necrons would find they share a lot with the Mechanicus. Necron or necrontyr returned in mind and spirit whilst still in bodies of living metal, could become a great ally to the Imperium at the most desperate times. There is this AUDIObook with GREAT voice acting and sound effects that has a necron lord trapped by Ahriman, The dialogue for him with those voice effects were masterful, "We conquered the stars and broke mortality, our wars burned reality and the dominion of our kings is without limit."
Necrons and there null zone is bit wild if they can make a better weapon or awaken more tomb worlds they can be more ally then foe to the Imperium but honestly Black Templar’s or inquisition probably wouldn’t want any or allow such heresy unless it’s given okay by powerful people
The inquistion is full of radical inquisitors who employ xenos, use heretical weaponry and often skirt the bounds on what most of the imperium finds traditional. Theres a ton of grey to be found with the relationships of races in the greater 40k setting than whats typically shown.
Skavens. Because humans turned into them in 40k
In a campaign I'm currently part of, my custom Chapter and Necron dynasty have made a non aggressive pact to deal with the bug problem
just from the headline, I asked myself that question while getting some water. I came to the same conclusion, from other bits of lore and thinking.
1st one entire faction in the Human Imperium is basically Necron Light (Although don't let the Adeptus Mechanicus hear that).
2nd Necron stand for Order. Something that the Imperium tries very hard to achieve. While Tau and Eldar are basically on the side of Order, they are too chaotic to really be Allied properly to it.
3rd Squats... I mean Leagues of Votann, while being Standards of Order, and basically being Human descended. They are weak and ineffective at this point in history. (Glad they are back with better lore than just "Space Dwarf")
4th Orcs you can bait them to be useful, but they aren't even allied to themselves.
5th... by the year 50k (if humans don't succumb to chaos, or are eaten by Nyds.) Necrons might find a way to control the Imperium, as Humans are very much like Necrontyr, and because of this Necrons might one day decide Humans are worth being a part of their empire. ((Note not much is know about the Necrontyr, but the few clues about them, and because the Old Ones died out 65 million years ago, means Humanity is not one of their creations, but we might be a creation of the Silent King. As to the Fan theory of the Tau being creations of the Silent King, the evidence actually disproves it rather quickly when you look closely. ))
That was a Necon playing the Banjo
When the tomb world awakens in the middle of nowhere
Tau, as much as i love and main them, are too small and lack ftl, as you mentioned, although giving them control over a section of the imperium to then take it back once stabilized the situation could work in the imperiums favor, granted that they can ever stabilize it, and they cant, so necrons are indeed the best ally as things stand
The only people who buy the "don't have FTL" argument are people who haven't taken two seconds to square that with the Damocles Gulf Crusade lore.
I actually think an alliance with specific craft world’s could be made and in a more long term way now I’m not referring to craftworlds like biel tan or even ulthwe relations with them would remain the same but I could imagine a non aggression treaty and partial alliance working with the likes of Iyanden and Il-Kaithe hell there’s roomer of an inquisitorial embassy on Iyanden at one point so yeah the imperium can definitely chill out with certain ecldar
Necrons are the superior race to ally with Humanity. And them allying with the Imperium is basicallya grandpa with a 12g Shotgun helping a child with a airsoft gun fight off a bunch of wild animals to keep them off their lawn. They are superior, but are will to help others when it aids their goals.
And them actually respecting humans, by name as well, shows how superior they are to everyone else, but also how honorable they are to those they actually consider allies.
More Necron Human Alliances! That needs to happen! Both Chaos and the Tyranids would be screwed by the ultimate alliance between the true strongest factions in 40k.
The necrons where alive during their peak. They know they are confident in themselves as they remember being in top. The elder almost none of them where around during their peak. They have confidence issues cuz they know they where number one but now see not as powerful as races their ancestors thought as primitives. I think that’s a great point you mentioned about the difference between Necrons and elder in their views of superiority
Chaos. They make Humans the scariest thing.
The alliance between the tau and the imperium against the nids already happened in a ciaphas cain book
"Back room deals." SO that's what Guilliman and Yvraine call their fun times.
That Tau goddess can't be retconned out of the lore soon enough.
Why? The sheer amount of fuckery and suffering it's likely to cause seems on brand for the setting to me.
Necrons are like that bro who's so much stronger than everyone, that he has no reason to feel insecure.
Wait why would T'au worlds be falling to Nurgle specifically? Wouldn't Slannesh or Tzeench have more appeal given the caste system and vast classism?
Like having things go stagnant sounds like it wouldnt appeal to T'au dissedents to me?
Tau are lucky because they have a tiny warp footprint and the chaos gods don't pay so much attention to them. Humans have a much bigger warp impact and thus are bothered far more by chaos.
After having read both The Twice Dead King and The Infinite & The Divine, I'm fully convinced the Necrons are the only actual heroes of the 40k universe, which says a lot about the 40k universe if the Necrons are the heroes...
Yeah, the Imperium kinda needs the Necrons right about now. Not a single thing is going their way, and quite a few of the 'Crons have a few key assets that would really swing things Humanity's way in this upcoming war.
NECRON SWEEP NECRON SWEEP
The WD 500 battle report says that a compliant imperial world can have a population of 28 million Squats. Which is insane, that’s an entire Peru’s worth of Xenos just vibing on a human planet.
01:43 Facts, human 🧌🏁🧌🏁🧌
There is a reason why Commander Farside split from the Tau Empire.
True and another split is coming
Honestly necrons and humans are so alike I suspect a shared lineage (my theory is Old Ones seeded Terra with proto-necrontyr DNA as another gamble at a weaponized species like eldar and krork).
That said, humans may be too similar to necrons for their own good. If necrons manage to reposition themselves as the dominant faction, one of their stated goals is to reverse the biotransferance by taking over HUMAN bodies.
I believe that theory myself and it fits the old ones. The old ones probably did it as one last Good deed. Reseeding the extinct race on an unmentionable planet to the galactic south.
Your content is excellent quality and I have no doubt you will continue to have steady viewer growth, keep up the great content.
The tau and imperium have teamed up to fight the nids in a ciaphus cain book im sure itll happen again
The T'au durring the 5th Tyranic War: Boy, I sure am glad that I aint anywhere near this shit.
*4th
@livefromtheblacklibrary oh right, my bad
The Necrons are just Space Tomb Kings. In Total Warhammer, the usual diplomatic penalty you get from being too powerful is flipped on the Tomb Kings, who are in awe of your mighty empire and thus see you as equals, turning their usual contempt for lesser Empires into a diplomacy bonus. Making them one of the few factions you can count on to not break away from you in the end game.
The Imperium should have a flexible Foreign Policy depending on local conditions using Rogue Traders and Inquisitors as Intermediaries with other factions.
The greyknights are doing WHAT?!, can´t games workshop just...give them a break?, they already put the last macguffin that the ynnari needed in the worst possible place freezing all of the plot line, now the greknights are hunting them down?, the next imperial civil war thing sure does look more believable
Space marines hunting down xenos, say it ain't so.....
Necron Supremacy! The only xenos I'll ever tolerate!
Serious tho, I agree 100% that the crons are the best option for humanity's ally. I really hope GW finally does something with Silent King in 10th
I think that necrons want to use humans as vessels to reverse bio transference and they are forced to keep humans surviving but not to dominate galaxy
The Eldars are the better allies because they are not a threat for human domination and they have the litterally same enemies..
The problem with alliance is that humans want eldars to die for mankind.
But it is just simple unneeded bullshit.
If human army would be a meat shield and Eldar would attack shared enemy from their back, it still will be better then fight by yourself, actually.
And in space Imperium fleet can be hammer, when eldar's warships will be scalpel on enemy's communication and supply lines.
So Mankind just can make a deal of protection.
Human army would protect Eldar's Craftworlds and Eldar's farseers would predict dangers for humans and eldars both and eldar armies would attack flanks and rear of their shared enemies.
@Tigran-Abazyan It is impossible because of Eldar's pride.
Allies, maybe.
Probably the Eldar I mean it was because of them that Guillumen is back. To their credit they did try and stop/warn the imperium about the Horus Hersey.
And the Eldar and Grey Knights are pretty cool with each given the grey knights saved a lot of Eldar soul stones from being consumed. And returned them to the Eldar to.
And craftworld Lyanden has open diplomacy with the imperium seeks to take no territory from them and even houses inquisitors on board it sometimes. Which should say something.
Overall the Eldar and imperium have had probably the most amount of positive encounters and have made the most progress.
Trazyn has collected/seen so much of human history at this point he'd have to have a soft spot for us.
Necrons are probs the race that could benefit the most from humanity. A couple of under the table deals necrons could get several hive planets for biomass and biotranference and humanity gets necrom tech.
Need to know more about this "End of the Ynnari" you speak of
What do you mean "nothing" about the Votann? Firstly there's a bunch of old Squat lore retconned into the current Votann lore so most of that still counts - for instance the Demiurg who allied with the Tau are just a League now who happened to be trading with them. The Squats of Necromunda are just Kin who basically got stranded and settled there 10k years ago. the Squats of 2nd edition 40k were just a large League that humanity mistook for the entirety of their race. But they were still largely canon.
There's also a bunch of lore in the 9th Edition Codex as well as some in the Kill Team: Gallowfall box. While it's minimal it's not "nothing" by any stretch of the imagination and one of the things described is their relationship with humanity. Basically the Kin are in it for themselves above all but will quite happily work with humans, who they regard as distant cousins, in order to achieve mutual goals.
Against the Tyranids specifically they'll probably be more than amenable since if the Tyranids consume planets there's bot all for the Kin to exploit themselves. In fact if you read the codex you'd know there's a short story in which the Blood Angels hire kin mercenaries to help fight the Tyranids. So the main question is whether the Imperium can afford them.
When we start to see the main forces of the hivemind converge on the galaxy, I think a Human/Necron alliance is pretty likely. I just really hope they also throw Tau and Eldar in there for the ultimate alliance. Maybe that's a little too noblebright, but with the darkest hours approaching it could be the only thing keeping the galaxy alive.
I, as a Tyranid supporter, gladly accept any and all who give biomass for the Great Devourer and it’s conquest of the galaxy.
What about biomass that has squiggly bits where there aren’t supposed to be squiggly bits? Surely you draw the line at chaos
I think the silent king and sanguineous saw a small part of each other in each other. Both sound nobility royalty, but both also saw. Somebody who had it foisted upon them. Not somebody who ever made the choice to take up the Command in rule of a whole people. But who had to do what they had to do? Because it was the right thing to do for the people that they cared about. In that sense I could imagine them having a very good report with one another. To the point where yes I can genuinely see the silent king requesting to Be given a death mask of probably the one human friend he has ever had. Because just like sanguines , he understands the pain of having to wear the weight of the crown And have all the hopes of a people put upon your shoulders even if you never ask for it.
As another Torontonian, I have never seen a banjo in person, much less heard it played.
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Szarekh might also look to revert biotransference and create living immortal bodies for his people but to achieve this goal, the necrons still need living organisms to study and as vessel.
something that would be gone if tyranid nomed the galaxy.
Funny, before I just watched your video. I've always said the Necrons and Humanity stand the best chances together. Something to consider is the Necrons do complement humanity, and the humans even though indirect" something the Necron relize" complement the Necrons.
9:50 It is mystery to why GW can't write Craftrworlds as capable and cool faction, when their counterparts in FB/AOS are. 17:00 it's because every part of what made them unique and cool was ether stripped away, destroyed or given to everybody else. Strong magic? Now every army will have Farseer-level Psykers, even Squats. Anti-grav technology? Now Space Marines and Custodes have it. Wraithknight? Now Imperium and Chaos have entire Factions of Knights(and Chaos even have Psyker one, lol). Titan Psyker? NOPE! Now Imperium have Ordo Sinister and Xenos are forgotten in Adeptus Titanicus. Strong Demigod? We will turn him into a joke first and then give everybody else analog(without joke part). Super specialized soldier? Good chunk of Primaris Space Marines are just Aspect Warriors in Power Armor and better. Sense of superiority doesn't work when you don't have anything superior. Necrons at least have numbers and technology. Craftworlds don't have a shit.
9:50 is explained in 2 reasons
1. The writers suck and they rarely can create compelling characters regardless of faction.
2. The Eldar represents GW CEO’s which the writers hate, so they don’t want to write them well.
Who the fuck ever talks about the white scars 😂
Really enjoyed this analysis! Can’t for your Tau videos!!
There are two major issues with your analysis:
1: battlefleet gothic 2 is non-cannon, the devs themselves said it was a "what if" timeline, there fore it is not a good source.
2: Not all of the necrons follow the slient king, the infinite empire is very, very fractured, and many pharaons just want to wipe out everything. Sense he got rid of the command protocols before his exlie, the slient king is having real problems keeping everyone in line.
And one last thing, I think the tau could be WAY bigger of a player than you think, alibet indirectly. Remember, in short time farsight enclave earth caste members were able to engineer a virus, that while ultimnately lost due to how it was deployed, self replicated through and annihilated an entire hive fleet splinter. If the more flexible members of the inquisition work with the tau/farsight to make another virus like that, they could easily blunt the 4th tyrannic war.
True but I don’t really view any of it as out of character, and I know that about the necrons, also that’s an interesting point!
Szarekh had Assholetep gagged for that meeting.
The Orks are great against the Tyranids. Just spread the word about DA BIG FOIT, and they will come from all over to join. It's just the after party you gotta worry about. The Orks are more of a weapon than an ally. Also as a side note every time the Orks and humans have worked together they have been an unstoppable force. During a fight they work together perfectly, after, uhhhhhhhh....