Rory Sutherland: The secret to saving London - The View From 22 | SpectatorTV
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- William Moore, The Spectator's features editor, speaks to our Wikiman columnist, Rory Sutherland, about whether the case for living in London is dwindling. Why is the capital become so much less attractive a place to live? And what's the secret to saving it?
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OMG. Am I the only ordinary, which is to say working class, native born Londoner, who tuned in to this expecting to hear a discussion on matters which affect us all, as we see our city transformed into something alien and unrecognisable. Instead we have the ramblings of a pair of middle class prats, concentrating on whether London still holds its own in providing great food, and if a decent latte can be found outside the M25. He talks of 'interesting' people, by which I guess he refers to the Metropolitan elite, or to the flood of immigrants who are changing the face of London. Yet spoken of in a way that only those who live their lives in the leafy outer Boroughs, mostly still populated by people like themselves, can afford to do. Relishing the wide variety of cultures and food, ( my dears how wonderfully diverse), yet having no knowledge of what life is like for those of us who inhabit the inner-city, less salubrious areas. We old time Londoners have seen our beloved city changed, our neighbourhoods broken up, often into multicultural ghettos, and longstanding ties to our home city destroyed. London is increasingly a violent, lawless place, where social cohesion has broken down, as newcomers fight for dominance, leaving us natives feeling lost and isolated. Well that is the reality for many of us Londoners, as I said, living less priveleged lives. But hey, let's not concentrate of such trivial matters, not when the likes of these two have other more pressing concerns, like a great cup of coffee.
Graphic and perfectly described as a place not it once was. Thank you.
I admit I was also expecting to hear the type of discussion that you describe here, Christine
So true. 100% agree with you Christine. They sound like politicians - left leaning, metropolitan elites who are tone deaf & completely out of touch. It must be fabulous to get dirt cheap cleaners, nannies & waiters on tap. Not for them being on the council house list in an extremely overcrowded and expensive home city with shit schools and sky high crime. How dreadful for you, darling. Having 2 homes must be such a comfort when you need a decent organic vegan restaurant in Hastings. Christine - You forgot what’s happened to the traffic in London with bicycle lanes no one uses, exorbitant parking charges, mini Holland schemes & ULEZ. Super!
@@dcoughla681 State schools in London are much better than the UK average. They're a great success story that the government would love to be able to extend to places like Hastings. The London homicide rate is far lower than it was in the 1990s and 2000s. It's worse than the UK average, but the difference has narrowed a lot. Can you suggest any measurable things that are particularly bad about London, apart from high property prices and distance from the countryside? Rory Sutherland's obsession with food is almost a self-parody: fat man talks about how important food is. I like chamber and baroque music and if you want to hear live performances frequently, London is the only place in the UK to be. I'm not a theatre fan, but I expect for people who want to attend more than a few theatrical performances per year, London is the only place to be. If you want countryside or messing about in boats, London is a daft place to be.
Completely agree, es expecting they speaking about the truth about what's going on. Instead I got two middle age men talking about lattes, Vietnamese food and hip restaurants in Hastings. They're their own parody.
We moved to Norwich from London two years ago....we hardly miss it there's so much here, plus no traffic and gorgeous countryside and coast
I have lived in London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Paris, and spend a lot of time in New York and other major cities. For many years, the best meals I have had have all been in pubs and restaurants in the countryside in Staffordshire and Derbyshire.
This is a reset to an earlier era when a Glaswegian or Newcastle ship magnate, or a Manchester mill owner could look a London banker in the eye as an equal. Older people may recall provincial grandparents telling stories of local shops that sold fresh octopus or couture frocks from locations that would have been unimaginable in 60s or 70s decline. It was over by WW2 in truth, living on in named trains that took first class passengers to the capital to meet their accountant or dentist. Leave London to oligarchs and rent barons.
I’m shocked that they skated over the issue of immigration. These places they’re referring to are chock full of English. The London they’re leaving? Barely recognisable from even a decade ago. Don’t pretend it doesn’t rank alongside “Vietnamese restaurants” as a reason to leave.
You will not escape the immigrants anywhere there in a few decades. There will be hubble bubble shops and cannbis dens in Inverness and Abergawhatever. Salaam.
What exactly do you think the crop of turkish barbers shops sell :).
@@terencefield3204 You're right. The places that still feel British today will eventually be as bad as Bradford is right now. Britain is over, due to successive politicians who hate it continuing to be in power.
@@advocate1563 Turkish delight
Worse? Wtf....it's catastrophic what's going on!!!!
It’s too late. My son is in London and he’s told me walking around in the centre and no police?!!! What the hell is khan up to 👎🏻
The only place you’ll see a policeman in London is when you watch Line of Duty on the telly.
London is symbolic. Maybe it should just be a massive cultural centre rather than the place where all business is done and people come and go without any human interaction of value at all. London used to be a collection of villages - return to that and get rid of Khan
London is like living in a tiny sized aquarium where the owner shovels in more fish every day & doesn’t change the water.
Londoners have been moving to Tunbridge Wells since the 1990s but its sped up in recent years.
Londonstan and Birminghamstan, two cheeks of the same.
Pengistan. Chippenhamistan. Tee hee. You lot are done for! It's England Jim, but not as we know it!Yorkshirepuddwivchillies init!
@@terencefield3204 have you been drinking bleach again?
@@terencefield3204 were all done for then. Have you seen the state of pakistanstan
@@curiositycloset2359 Well your Mill Towns give me an insight whilst f ocussing only on Britain! No need to look at Pakistan in Pakistan!🤣😇🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥
@@terencefield3204 our Milltowns are mostly pakistani. Disaster zones
I no longer have any desire to even visit London, never mind live there.
Nowhere run by Ghengis Khan can be saved.
Root and stem clear out of illegals and foreign criminals would be a good start. Coupled with a complete moratorium on permanent immigration.
Rory is right on it. High prices are a nightmare - they turn banks into building societies for starters.
When my father was a child in the 1930s, stockbrokers commuted from the South Coast to work in the City., and even when I joined an investment bank in the 1980s, my boss also commuted from Brighton every day to London. I commuted from the Kings Road into the City so I could get as much sleep as possible with early starts and late finishes. Being a country lover and not a great fan of cities including London I admit I left London some way ahead of my peers. Since then (long before now) it strikes me London has become an increasingly less desirable place to live and work save as always for the money.
How far away did you move from London and did you continue to commute in to the City?
@@borderlord Because I had a place in London and a place in the country for some years, I tried leaving London on a Friday night and driving in on a Monday morning for a while but ended up returning to Chelsea on a Sunday afternoon to beat the rest of the weekend commuters. It was never going to really work out from over a hundred miles away, although as time passed as you will know massive “commutes” became more common if not almost obligatory.
@@bill8784 Having a place in town and the country is definitely a good solution!👍
London is a massive cesspool. Least English place in the UK and priced are sky high. Couldn't pay me to live there
Great analysis, the kind of calculations I’m doing, as I’m going to move out of London!
Interesting but for the misleading title
Who ate all the pies?
Not the guy with the beard.
I want to give him a kiss!
He is just so suave.
The world is full of married men.
Does anyone know what the music is on the start and end of this video?
Rory's theory doesn't apply to Sittingbourne.
Not yet.
I like Sittingbourne. Pretty town. Give it a year or so!
The second city?
Londoner - Birmingham
Brummie - Birmingham
Manc. - London
West Hampstead's cool now but you'll need a baseball cap. (Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉 Consume or Die!
My gawd, that's spooky.
I've never agreed with a Spectator video so thoroughly. I'm a few years younger than Rory but he is exactly correct about everything related to this topic.
Its like hes been hacking my phone or something.
Spot on.
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put a donk on it
fat fat is right
Interesting, but totally wrong about coffee outside of London. There's no way you can get a decent coffee made with full fat milk at exactly the right volume and temperature so that its texture is stretched and velvety. Everywhere you go outside of London, you may as well get yourself a coffee from Macdonald's. Even Costa outside of London is a disgrace - made extra hot whether you like it or not.
Frankly this individual looks as if he’s had enough Food And Drink up to this point,,,,,, over 45 ,,,,,, I’m over 65 and frankly LONDON IS VERY FAR FROM FINISHED .
IF YOU HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF LONDON,,,, PACK UP AND po.