Do you think SpaceX will rush to replace the rest of this heat shield, or will they fly ship 31 with what they already have? Let me know your thoughts!
@@SeanDSarcasm never say never. not in the near future, but i wouldnt discount the possibillity. except if you mean that starship will be renamed at some point in the near future, cause then its quite possible that it might never happen.
Nobody in their right mind would want that. You want to hear 20 sonic booms every day where you live? If we do ever reach that kind of cadence putting cargo into LEO it will be with something less invasive than rocket launches
@@arthurlunar7835 they literally won't, they said that they would need 2 perfect landings of the same ship version, and S33 and 34 dont even have catch hardware so they literally cant catch them
If you want to show the true size of that rocket, comparing it to other rockets is fine to show how much larger they are to other space vehicles, but most people haven't seen those vehicles face to face. Maybe show a boeing 747, the statue of liberty, some other known buildings?
Good episode but I have some nit-picking - "after all there is no point in recovering a vehicle if it can't be reused" I understand your point, Felix, but this statement isn't true. Post-recovery inspection is extremely valuable for optimization, even if reuse is not intended. Such actions can significantly improve the launch and ascent margins while reducing mass.
On the FIRST Mars Mission, SpaceX can Send the OPTIMUS Robot along to Mars as a Visual Observer with sensors, possibly, and if it lands, perform some simple tasks and send the visual and other Data back to the SpaceX. That would be nice if they would do that.
I wonder if a self-deploying landing pad could be sent to the Moon as a Starship test payload. Designing something like that would make for an interesting Xprize.
Honestly, I feel like SpaceX needs to take a page from NASA and create a full-scale launch pad much like the Shuttle Program had. Flame Channels, water deluge, the whole 9 yards. Though, if they are still refining design, I can see them waiting to invest in that until they finalize a production model design.
You have to keep in mind that 39a and b are a Cold War Design. Pads can be developed as well. I’m not sure if what NASA did back then is still a good design. It did cost incredible amounts of money. There might be a more efficient design. One thing is clear. The first Starship pad wasn’t a good design.
@@Whataboutit That is very true, but as far as reliabilty and reusability, they held up to the task well. I completely agree that upgrades can happen, but also that the first design, and probably even the current upgrades are not the best designs. I guess that is a Stage 2 or 3 problem though. Right now, they rightfully focus on getting the ship system and design refined, viable, and safe.
It was loud as shyt! And, strangely late in the day. I live about 5 miles from the launch tower and it rattles the earth. It sounds like distant thunder.
I doubt it. It's added weight just for looks. Interplanetary versions and those for the Moon will LIKELY get one. Those uncrewed low earth orbit ones will likely not.
I think they're happy with most of the tiles. Its the tiles in certain high exposure areas that needed support. That under-blanket is an unnecessary part in most places.
Starship could be equipped with a deployable cone that would protect engines during reentry. Sections of the cone fitted on the sides of starship would be pushed into place with electric engines. Then retracted or released just prior to final landing burn.
The leg question about Mars got me thinking... why do all of the legs have to be the same length? What about the heat shield legs being inside the shield, and the other 2 could be longer, angled, and outside the ship.... like a chair. The front legs are often straight, and the back legs fan outward to create a larger base.
I think they’re not going waste time to replace heat shield tiles and main test will be catching tower again, future upgrade heat shield and concentrate on heat shield later.
I wonder just how much intelligence Space-X can get from the heat shield when the ship is lost in the depths of the ocean. I expect the best data will come only when they can recover and properly study it.
Oh NO, you say we have to wait to 2026 for Team SpaceX going to the moon. I was wishing they would achieve a Starship to the moon by the end of this year TF7 maybe? As I want a seat on it.
Hmm... SpaceX wants / needs to fly a SS back to Boca and catch it. They can't even think about that until they solve the flap heat shield problem. So, I wonder if they might not skip Ship 31 and instead go with the V2 Ship 32 to get a good, unblemished re-entry for flight six. That way, flight seven might be able to consider a RTLS catch of starship on flight seven in early 2025. Ship 31 goes to the rocket garded / gets scrapped...
Landing the ship is going to be a huge regulatory hurdle because it has to come in over land while the booster approaches from the sea. It might even be flying over Mexico as well as the US. If they move to Florida, it has to fly over the heavily populated Florida peninsula from West to East.
@@tempMentive Trouble is you need sea to the East for take off and sea to the West for landing. Oh, and it needs to land and take off from the same place!
You can always tell when someone is anti-Elon because they will say something stupid like see you can’t reuse the rocket. It takes 23 days to refurbish the launchpad. My polite answer to that is have you ever thought about the fact that they will have multiple launchpads and towers.
Alright Felix, let's jump forward for a moment to lunar transport. SpaceX ever talk about getting around once we get there? Here's my thinking....side by sides with electric drives. Motorbikes that run on hydrogen? Helium? Electric? Or electric helo's?
Starship won't land on the Moon as shown in that animation, that's for sure. Not without a landing pad first being constructed. Notice how tall and massive Starship is compared to Apollo lander?
Say with starship going to the moon ...why does it need refueling to get there ? The nasa rocket got to the moon by coasting there ..didn't need refueling because the engines weren't fired up ..once a mass in space is propelled, it keeps going ...right ??
Somebody smarter than me has already thought this out, I'm sure, but would an astronaut on the tallest volcano on Mars be able to wingsuit his way down? Hell, I'd give it a shot...
Not without some serious radiation protection. The surface of Mars has manageable radiation levels and especially in the canyons but higher elevations the radiation is high.
Mars' thin atmosphere would probably more than offset the reduced gravity making a wingsuit unable to fly. There's just not enough area between a humans outstretched limbs.
@1flash3571 replace fly with glide if that helps. Answer is no. You will become a bright red smear on the side of the mountain. If you get enough distance on the leap, you might hit the bottom at record speed.
Depends, if the mission profile is akin to Apollo missions. We have seen profiles where Starship returns for reuse, but those ideas are problematic for many reasons, I can't imagine they will fly
man asuming i live to the average age of death so 80 wich is in 2087, wich would mean id probely witness enormouse milestones asuming life spans dont get even longer or i dont just have a long lifespan in general
Imagine what SpaceX & Starship could have accomplished in the last 4 years with administration support instead of political malice obstruction, delays, & harassments. Humanity’s affordable space, occupy Mars, Starship would be years ahead.
Dude SoaceX wouldn’t be here if not for the support from NASA and government launch contracts. If anything SpaceX has overpromised and underdelivered and this is based on engineers actually working at SpaceX . They are still working in the design and administrative hurdles have had little to no effect on the engineering side of things. It’s lagging on its commitments to Artemis and all the 3 billion taxpayer money is already spent.
Based on the patterns of the actions taken by this admin his statement is a reasonable assessment. They left tesla out of EV day at the white house. They sued spaceX several times unsuccessfully,i. E. not hiring migrants. The admin looses all neutrality claims.
@@portcybertryx222I don't agree they're squandering funds--to summarize what you wrote. State of the art engineering is unpredictable and often falls. They're implementing many new things in one platform, which often fails. And they're pushing the regulatory environment, which often fails. But they're succeeding and showing good progress, so while failure is still possible, success appears inevitable with enough time. I do agree that the regulatory environment hasn't been much of a hindrance. Sure, IFT 5 was likely delayed a few weeks, which compounds in these lengthy projects. But you're correct, they needed most of the delays to work on improvements and engineering. They mostly get launch licenses soon after testing completes for each change. IFT 5 was a bit of an exception, but they seem to have figured out how to work through the bureaucracy.
Do you think SpaceX will rush to replace the rest of this heat shield, or will they fly ship 31 with what they already have? Let me know your thoughts!
Any speculation on what they may do for the landing and how they may be able to recover actual flown starship hardware?
@@BillDuBrul they probably won't bother as the ship is already very much outdated and the next generation will be much improved
@@Whataboutit i suspect they may address specific areas such as the flaps but leave the majority as is.
100 percent sure they are keeping the current, ship 33 holds the next version after all.
They have a lot of work on the shield, so I think they will opt for cadence this time and get the ship in the air.
Can't wait for 20 Starship launches a day
probably wont happen, not anytime soon
never gonna happen
@@SeanDSarcasm never say never. not in the near future, but i wouldnt discount the possibillity. except if you mean that starship will be renamed at some point in the near future, cause then its quite possible that it might never happen.
Yeah I’ll settle for a booster to be flown twice in a day
Nobody in their right mind would want that. You want to hear 20 sonic booms every day where you live? If we do ever reach that kind of cadence putting cargo into LEO it will be with something less invasive than rocket launches
Ahhh... how I love Felix and the crew being German and not catching him read 236 the German way at 17:55 :) Cute
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Can't wait for ship catch! Flight 7?
That would be awesome !
nope, and not flight 8 either
I feel like they won't go for a ship catch until V2 test models.
@@Lu.capuchino That's too much unbelief. SpaceX is faster
@@arthurlunar7835 they literally won't, they said that they would need 2 perfect landings of the same ship version, and S33 and 34 dont even have catch hardware so they literally cant catch them
8:58. French fried onions is the symbol for thanksgiving now?
Well....He isn't an American. He is British?......Although he is In the U.S....
For green bean casserole!
Take a look at all the previous episodes. We rotate the "symbol". Cause... all of that is yummy!
I love the slow motion static fire video! What a fantastic job from Sean!
Ty Stef ❤
If you want to show the true size of that rocket, comparing it to other rockets is fine to show how much larger they are to other space vehicles, but most people haven't seen those vehicles face to face. Maybe show a boeing 747, the statue of liberty, some other known buildings?
Good episode but I have some nit-picking -
"after all there is no point in recovering a vehicle if it can't be reused"
I understand your point, Felix, but this statement isn't true. Post-recovery inspection is extremely valuable for optimization, even if reuse is not intended. Such actions can significantly improve the launch and ascent margins while reducing mass.
On the FIRST Mars Mission, SpaceX can Send the OPTIMUS Robot along to Mars as a Visual Observer with sensors, possibly, and if it lands, perform some simple tasks and send the visual and other Data back to the SpaceX. That would be nice if they would do that.
I figure that's how they will build colonies, send thousands of Optimus and have them build it first, then a small crew of inspectors, then full use.
By the mars mission optimus prob would be on gen 4
I wonder if a self-deploying landing pad could be sent to the Moon as a Starship test payload.
Designing something like that would make for an interesting Xprize.
Honestly, I feel like SpaceX needs to take a page from NASA and create a full-scale launch pad much like the Shuttle Program had. Flame Channels, water deluge, the whole 9 yards. Though, if they are still refining design, I can see them waiting to invest in that until they finalize a production model design.
You have to keep in mind that 39a and b are a Cold War Design. Pads can be developed as well. I’m not sure if what NASA did back then is still a good design. It did cost incredible amounts of money. There might be a more efficient design. One thing is clear. The first Starship pad wasn’t a good design.
@@Whataboutit That is very true, but as far as reliabilty and reusability, they held up to the task well. I completely agree that upgrades can happen, but also that the first design, and probably even the current upgrades are not the best designs. I guess that is a Stage 2 or 3 problem though. Right now, they rightfully focus on getting the ship system and design refined, viable, and safe.
That could end up being a man-made island located off-shore
It was loud as shyt! And, strangely late in the day. I live about 5 miles from the launch tower and it rattles the earth. It sounds like distant thunder.
crazy how fast they can get those boosters back on the olm for a static fire
It is because it isn't the same Booster....They already built it beforehand.
It's just the start! They want to get this down to under one hour!
Don't say, "that begs the question..." That's not what that means. Rather, say something like, "So then the obvious next question might be..."
You can also... "as such, the question is if a rocket is launched in the forest and no one is there, did it in fact launched.?"
Why did they not used the seats five and sic to come back?
Then they wouldn’t have needed to change crew 9.
Hello again Felix! Really glad to see an upload 👍🏻
Hello Cortez!
I wonder if starship will get a paint job in the future. I hope they fix the issue with the flaps on re-entry.
Most likely not, that’s a lot of weight, with no benefits
@@666madull666 maybe the moon variant of starship.
No paint, it's just added mass with no benifit, as for the flaps the issue is fixed by V2 ships
I doubt it. It's added weight just for looks. Interplanetary versions and those for the Moon will LIKELY get one. Those uncrewed low earth orbit ones will likely not.
I can remember watching Apollo as a child , it was GREAT but this is so much BETTER. I’m wondering where we would be without ELON MUSK .
I think they're happy with most of the tiles. Its the tiles in certain high exposure areas that needed support. That under-blanket is an unnecessary part in most places.
10:50 The Cards Against Humanity wing😊
Why not land horizontally on Mars / Moon would be more stable
Starship could be equipped with a deployable cone that would protect engines during reentry. Sections of the cone fitted on the sides of starship would be pushed into place with electric engines. Then retracted or released just prior to final landing burn.
The leg question about Mars got me thinking... why do all of the legs have to be the same length? What about the heat shield legs being inside the shield, and the other 2 could be longer, angled, and outside the ship.... like a chair. The front legs are often straight, and the back legs fan outward to create a larger base.
One day they will cover the entire launch pad in those heat tiles. That should stop it from melting.
Ya sooooo a person onboard is probably the biggest milestone!!!!
Loving! the gravy on the calendar
Flight 6 gonna be awesome
spacex is on demon time
looking forward to ship 33 on flight 7.
I think they’re not going waste time to replace heat shield tiles and main test will be catching tower again, future upgrade heat shield and concentrate on heat shield later.
Humans for scale 0:58, just made the next shoot look even more impressive.
Thanks for fixing the date for Thanksgiving from previous video. 🙂
Sure thing! :)
cone of light! 4:40
The crispy onions 😂 nice detail whoever did that. I see you.
Why doesn't SpaceX use the heat shield tiles on the launch mount legs rather than repainting it after every launch.
Are they installing fire extinguishers on the tower? It looks like they need it!
Thanks Felix You Rock Man!
14:50 what starship needs heat shield on the moon exactly??
I wonder just how much intelligence Space-X can get from the heat shield when the ship is lost in the depths of the ocean.
I expect the best data will come only when they can recover and properly study it.
Next milestone 600 thousand members.... Let's go.
Man... I can't begin to describe how we're feeling on the team! THANK YOU!!!!
Nov 11 is my birthday please let us witness flight 6 on my birthday 🙏🛸
When engines melt on the way back to launch pad - just how safe could they be for immediate reuse?
Ship landing on Mars and being able to launch back to Earth in the same launch window. Not waiting for months.
Yeah..... What can I say.....Felix you rock 💪 🤜💥 🤛
Ship 31 might be kept in orbit to serve as a fuel depot. The heat shield will not needed or used if Ship 31 never lands.
no it wont, they won't go to orbit without a successful raptor relight test
Oh NO, you say we have to wait to 2026 for Team SpaceX going to the moon.
I was wishing they would achieve a Starship to the moon by the end of this year TF7 maybe? As I want a seat on it.
lmao no
Massive what ?? Now you’re click baiting . Shame on you Felix
First time on UA-cam? Welcome
17:50 is it 236 days in space as the graphic or 263 as the words?
Moon lander doesn't need a heat shield. Only the Earth-Moon transfer ship needs one.
I thought that the lunar Starship is meant to stay in space and doesn't need to have a heat shield.
It doesn't
263 / 236?
what are the goals for flight 6 ?
263 or 236? 😮
Question - How much refuel required and how much fuel payload delivered in Geo Orbit also exists orbit
3:24 Astronaut on fin😂
Hmm... SpaceX wants / needs to fly a SS back to Boca and catch it. They can't even think about that until they solve the flap heat shield problem. So, I wonder if they might not skip Ship 31 and instead go with the V2 Ship 32 to get a good, unblemished re-entry for flight six. That way, flight seven might be able to consider a RTLS catch of starship on flight seven in early 2025. Ship 31 goes to the rocket garded / gets scrapped...
The odds that starships with melted engines won’t RUD upon relaunch?
Landing the ship is going to be a huge regulatory hurdle because it has to come in over land while the booster approaches from the sea. It might even be flying over Mexico as well as the US. If they move to Florida, it has to fly over the heavily populated Florida peninsula from West to East.
Land it in Outback Australia? 🤷♂️
I'd say build a tower in Ca, but that would probably be an even bigger challenge, cuz Ca.
@@tempMentive Trouble is you need sea to the East for take off and sea to the West for landing. Oh, and it needs to land and take off from the same place!
It should launch from the middle of Shahara desert.
Tell AI to make stronger and lighter tiles and heat shield.When it was returning it became scary hot.
have they started using raptor 3 engines?
You can always tell when someone is anti-Elon because they will say something stupid like see you can’t reuse the rocket. It takes 23 days to refurbish the launchpad. My polite answer to that is have you ever thought about the fact that they will have multiple launchpads and towers.
They’re already developing the HLS life support systems in California. Just not making any of it public
Are they using the new upgraded raptor engines on the booster
No faa problems now.
5 starship to Mars:Elon, please put DonOLD on one of them.
120 launches from the cape is also not guaranteed. BO will sue against that.
"Two hundred and sixty three days" .... Caption says 236. WOOPS!
Starship should be equipped to land on its side on the moon by using inflatable wraps and retrorockets. No Tip over?
The odds that starship won’t tip over after landing on the moon?
Alright Felix, let's jump forward for a moment to lunar transport. SpaceX ever talk about getting around once we get there? Here's my thinking....side by sides with electric drives. Motorbikes that run on hydrogen? Helium? Electric? Or electric helo's?
Starship won't land on the Moon as shown in that animation, that's for sure. Not without a landing pad first being constructed. Notice how tall and massive Starship is compared to Apollo lander?
Is a heat shield needed for Mars landings?
LOL! So clickbaity! "unexpected MASSIVE...." big fireball!!!!! Great vid!
Would transporting the booster by a permanent tram line be quicker and more efficient?
I subscribed....🥳🥳🥳🎉👍👍👍
A hot stage ring is a waste of power and payload also thrust.
how so? can you explain?
Say with starship going to the moon ...why does it need refueling to get there ? The nasa rocket got to the moon by coasting there ..didn't need refueling because the engines weren't fired up ..once a mass in space is propelled, it keeps going ...right ??
They do have find solution for heat shield currently what they got not good enough.
Starship could couple with maneuverable inflatable landing ring units that dock prior to moon landing. Land sideways.
can spaceX send stellates around the gap from earth and mars to get a faster signal to earth?
The odds that starship won’t create an enormous amount of dust on the moon?
it wont, it will use thrusters further up on the ship
If the melted engines aren’t safe for immediate reuse - then why does SoaceX animation show this as their goal?
@TaylerKnox because that is their goal?
And you iterate a cycle of test, improve, test again. Until you reach your... goal.
pez dispenser could be tested
Is HLS coming back to land on earth? If not, does it need tiles?
No HLS is just for moon landing. They will come back in Orion, and it won't have a heat shield.
It wont
@@axolot_barabudaydabudidabuday Thx. Then the point about legs affceting tiles on HLS is moot.
If it ain’t broke it don’t need fixin
500000!
where did you get the nov 11 date from
People working at spacex that know him tell him about these estimates
Somebody smarter than me has already thought this out, I'm sure, but would an astronaut on the tallest volcano on Mars be able to wingsuit his way down? Hell, I'd give it a shot...
Not without some serious radiation protection. The surface of Mars has manageable radiation levels and especially in the canyons but higher elevations the radiation is high.
Mars' thin atmosphere would probably more than offset the reduced gravity making a wingsuit unable to fly. There's just not enough area between a humans outstretched limbs.
@@Wikkid2daCOR He didn't say fly. HE said Wingsuit his way down which means gradual falling down to the surface on the lower area.
@1flash3571 replace fly with glide if that helps. Answer is no. You will become a bright red smear on the side of the mountain. If you get enough distance on the leap, you might hit the bottom at record speed.
Are they planning on catching Flight 6?
What is he talking about? The lunar lander doesn't need heat shields, it's not coming back to earth.
Depends, if the mission profile is akin to Apollo missions. We have seen profiles where Starship returns for reuse, but those ideas are problematic for many reasons, I can't imagine they will fly
as is
Staticfire donne
So SpaceX is ready to blow more holes in our planets Ozone layer 👍
Bring on more Sun radiation levels.
man asuming i live to the average age of death so 80 wich is in 2087, wich would mean id probely witness enormouse milestones asuming life spans dont get even longer or i dont just have a long lifespan in general
"Inearly 8 month"'? Don't you mean "nearly 8 months"?
Erm, don't need a heat shield for the moon?
Yep, no atmosphere on the moon so heat shield is unnecessary to land there.
ELON ELON ELON.
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Imagine what SpaceX & Starship could have accomplished in the last 4 years with administration support instead of political malice obstruction, delays, & harassments. Humanity’s affordable space, occupy Mars, Starship would be years ahead.
How do you know the enhancements added between the FAA holds didn't lead to successful test results? It's all heresay
Dude SoaceX wouldn’t be here if not for the support from NASA and government launch contracts. If anything SpaceX has overpromised and underdelivered and this is based on engineers actually working at SpaceX . They are still working in the design and administrative hurdles have had little to no effect on the engineering side of things. It’s lagging on its commitments to Artemis and all the 3 billion taxpayer money is already spent.
Based on the patterns of the actions taken by this admin his statement is a reasonable assessment. They left tesla out of EV day at the white house. They sued spaceX several times unsuccessfully,i. E. not hiring migrants. The admin looses all neutrality claims.
We must remember that Musk's real super-power is the ability to annoy & insult people whose good opinion he will shortly need.
@@portcybertryx222I don't agree they're squandering funds--to summarize what you wrote. State of the art engineering is unpredictable and often falls. They're implementing many new things in one platform, which often fails. And they're pushing the regulatory environment, which often fails. But they're succeeding and showing good progress, so while failure is still possible, success appears inevitable with enough time.
I do agree that the regulatory environment hasn't been much of a hindrance. Sure, IFT 5 was likely delayed a few weeks, which compounds in these lengthy projects. But you're correct, they needed most of the delays to work on improvements and engineering. They mostly get launch licenses soon after testing completes for each change. IFT 5 was a bit of an exception, but they seem to have figured out how to work through the bureaucracy.