It's important to note that Angel's didn't start to appear as white smoke until after the fall when their wings were burned off and their powers crippled. Even after that, every angel that still possessed intact wings such as the archangels manifested exclusively as the beam of white light and never as the smoke. The only exception to this was when Jack pulled Michael from Rowena's body and nuked him but even then Michael was injured and weakened first by Jack. It's highly likely that the white smoke we the angel's take on later isn't actually a new form but rathers what their forms look like when drained of the majority of their power.
@@wivithar that was probably like what Jack did to alt Michael and he was forcfully pulled out of the body instead or leaving like he did with Cass in season 11
I honestly like how inconsistent ghosts' abilities were in the show, it shows how they're still people (to an extent) all with different mindsets and reasons behind why they do whatever they do. Everybody's different, so I like that every major ghost we see has some kind of oddity about them.
The first demonic posession we saw was weird because the demon was a different type of a demon, even its true form was different. The reason angels can manifest as a beam and a white blue smoke is because when they lose their wings they cant teleport and forced to be white smokes since they cant move fast. Reapers can manifest their own humanoid form and they can also possess people. When azazel possesed tessa, there wasnt a human in that case, he just possesed reaper.
Your point about angels isn’t true because Lucifer who never lost his wings also manifested as blue smoke when he was exorcised from the president back into his old vessel
@@obamaorb7426 I think that was because he couldn’t use his wings, since you know you he was being trapped by a spell. Thats why we saw his smoke form. Same happened to alternate michael when jack ate him.
Reapers do have vessels, even Tessa shows this later in the series when Castiel has his "Angel Army" going against Metatron. The reason no one sees her except Dean in the hospital is because reapers have the power to change the reality around them to whatever they want others to see. (Tessa explains this to Dean once he figures out what she is and not just another dying person.
I imagine a Demon's smoke form is invisible to normal humans, and the moments we usually see it are for viewer benefit. The times we don't actually see it happen seem like they're meant to show us the "Human view". It would make sense seeing as Azazel possessed a reaper, with their true form being astral based (also explaining why humans can't see it).
Yes, I absolutely plan to make a video about that! Not sure when I’ll get to it, I have several others in the works at the moment, but it’s definitely on my list.
Fairly sure the akrida should've been included, but even I forgot about them until you started describing *another* bug type monster that possesses people😅 (And I suppose they are not from "supernatural" if you want to go down that route😂)
Its kinda cleared that he was able to possess a Reaper only because of the deal due to "red tape". Without the power of a deal, Reaper possession i don't think is possible.
I don't know if it exactly counts, but there was that one episode where the teenagers found a spellbook and one of them swapped bodies with Sam, and yes, they did SWAP bodies, instead of the spellcaster simply taking over, but apparently that wasn't supposed to happen, the kids friends were suprised that Sam was in the kids body. Regardless, I think it's an honorable mention at least
I actually think Disaster Demons(They are literally called that) are a sub species of Demons that use that unique possession therefore meaning it is both canon and possible since they have a unique form of possession
I remember the season when Gadreel was living in Sam's body and Dean was trying to find a way to get the angel out of his body. And I thought, "Oh, are they going to find that Alastair spell?" No, it seems the writers completely forgot about angelic exorcism. By the way, it seems that the version with “a person can kick out an angel at any time” does not work. Jimmy didn't like being a vessel, but he couldn't kick Cas out. Hannah's female vessel wanted to return home to her husband, Hannah felt this, but she released her vessel voluntarily, and not because the woman ordered her to leave. The angels in this show are really assholes.
I've been possessed once before and the demon said what the hell is wrong with you I been to hell and dam. I just told him it's your meat suit so your problem now. He go a priest to exercise himself. Best vacation I ever had and best chiropractic session I ever had
4:01, whats actually crazy isnt that azazel might have possessed a non-physical being , its the fact that even if reapers turned out to possess people or have physical bodies , azazel still ended up using the reaper's powers to bring dean back. So like, even if the reaper really had a physical body , even if it was something separated to their essence, even if it fitted our model of "something that could be possessed" perfectly ... It COULD NOT BE only that, AZAZEL WOULD HAVE TO POSSESS HER ESSENCE/SOUL either way, body or no body , in order to use her reaper powers.... Like, imagine crowley seemingly possessing castiel's vessel, only for him to display castiels wings and take flight . This is basically what happened. The closest thing to this that actuallly happened is when Castiel absorbed purgatory souls
pretty sure when the woman touched iron and bobby popped out it was because bobby either did not resist at all or didn't know how to leave and that was the only way he could think of.
my theory for demons taking over bodies without any visual aspect is them doing it directly from hell. kind of like how they can go from hell directly to whatever they want. they could possess someone directly from hell.
i think the black goo (all the types) is simply because its gross to most people and probably SUPER cheap, probably even cheaper if they buy one color dye/ink/whatever in bulk hence why its usually black.
That is peobably the real reason. I always took it as a thing from Eve since she is refered to be the mother of the monsters. So it is basically a trait from her originally that she just passes by to the monsters she created. I guess it doesn't fit to all scenarion but it is the best in universe reason i could think of
In later seasons post-angel-fall it shows that reapers do possess hosts and not just make their own bodies.... Also on just a basic level reapers r technically angels and they say many times that ALL angels no matter what have to have a willing vessel.
I never viewed Castiels body as dead. When God rebuilt Cas he rebuilt him in that form. That body was no longer separate from him. Sort of like how Jesus and God are not separate.
biblically demons ARE angels just fallen ones, so the next time a shadow tells you it's an angel just recall it's not lying no matter if tis from hell or heaven.
depending on how early/far back you want to go into scriptures determines what Demons/Daemons are. In one set Daemons are the creations of Lucifer, In other Scriptures they are the creations of man, In others all of them are fallen Angels. But in every case most of the Demons were/are Gods from other religions outside of Judaism and Christianity. And that's just the scriptures we know of as there's suspected to be a whole library of Scriptures under Temple Mount in Jerusalem going back roughly 6 thousand years pre-dating all of the ones we have, most of which are Translations from Ancient Greek to an earlier version of Hebrew (basically all of the Old Testament). The main problem of getting to them being that after the Persian, Roman, European and Ottoman invasions/Occupations of Samaria and Judea no one is allowed on the Mount except for Muslims.
Well salt doesn't just force a ghost out of a body if u putt it into their mouth. Ghost have a weakness to salt so probably any biggee contact to it can force a ghost out of a body, as we see dean and sam use shotgun ammunition made out of or filled with salt (The episode with the ghost bound to the costumes, that is mentioned in the video, is one example). I guess you could also just throw a package of salt at someone who is posessed and it would do the trick lol
Also once Castiel allows Lucifer to possess him when getting ready to fight the Darkness/Amara and the boys r trying to get Lucifer out Crowley possess Castiel as well so theres 3 in that body as well Cas, Lucifer and Crowley... Would be the only time 4 are in one body but Jimmy was already dead and Castiel had be rebuilt by God.
Wat would happen if a angel get a human pregnant and a demon possess her while she still is pregnant? Could the demon corrupt the human side of the unborn baby?
@@Archiver_StudioNot the ability to consume souls at will, but the possession either destroys the soul or the leviathan consumes them due to their unending hunger. Probably not, the only example of someone surviving possession is Cass, well he technically died.
@@DefaultName-du3kr He died but his spirit was never eaten, this proves they cannot consume spirits, consumption of ghosts requires much greater use than just possession The body most likely just dies and the ghost is cast out into their afterlife prematurely
Still a bit salty about the leviathan "possessions". Demons and ghosts possessing humans? Works great. Angels? That was a bit of a stretch tbh. Not a typical take. But then again, if we look at many descriptions of angels in the literature, they are more like many eyed monsters from Lovecraft... so it may be fine. But Leviathans? They are supposed to be the most gigantic monsters god has created. And they are just another "we possess human" type of monster... Quite disappointing. Just as much as the "the phoenix has human form" or "the dragon has human form". Come on. If you do not want to spend the budget for giant monster cgi or props. Do not include them in your story...
I still think it's a highly overrated module but it doesn't deserve the level of condemnation the subject author gave it. As a trainer it's ok, but it doesn't make that intent very clear so that defense of it's shortcomings don't hold up with me. But it cannot be compared to any modern adventures because it was very specific to BECME/1e. Pro tip: Use the Temple of Chaos ( I think it was called ) as a detachment/ recruiting group for one of the Elemental groups in the Temple of Elemental Evil. I think I used earth and changed the cult in Temple of the Reptile God to the Water Temple. By then my players were ready to take out the trouble at it source, so they followed the clues I spoon fed them in those two modules to the ToEE. Where they died.
It's important to note that Angel's didn't start to appear as white smoke until after the fall when their wings were burned off and their powers crippled. Even after that, every angel that still possessed intact wings such as the archangels manifested exclusively as the beam of white light and never as the smoke. The only exception to this was when Jack pulled Michael from Rowena's body and nuked him but even then Michael was injured and weakened first by Jack. It's highly likely that the white smoke we the angel's take on later isn't actually a new form but rathers what their forms look like when drained of the majority of their power.
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when Lucifer left Vance's body, he also looked like blue smoke
@@wivithar that was probably like what Jack did to alt Michael and he was forcfully pulled out of the body instead or leaving like he did with Cass in season 11
i took the invisible possessions from demons to represent what your average person would see. just a gasp/
I honestly like how inconsistent ghosts' abilities were in the show, it shows how they're still people (to an extent) all with different mindsets and reasons behind why they do whatever they do.
Everybody's different, so I like that every major ghost we see has some kind of oddity about them.
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This is by far my favorite supernatural channel. You deserve way more subscribers bro, keep up the amazing work.
What are some other supernatural channels?
@@justJPofficial only one other I know of and I can’t remember the name
Wayward Winchester is one kind of. It’s more like clips and things like that than a channel talking about the show though
The first demonic posession we saw was weird because the demon was a different type of a demon, even its true form was different. The reason angels can manifest as a beam and a white blue smoke is because when they lose their wings they cant teleport and forced to be white smokes since they cant move fast. Reapers can manifest their own humanoid form and they can also possess people. When azazel possesed tessa, there wasnt a human in that case, he just possesed reaper.
Your point about angels isn’t true because Lucifer who never lost his wings also manifested as blue smoke when he was exorcised from the president back into his old vessel
@@obamaorb7426 nah he was bluish white. Celestial smoke. Not pure white nor pure blue but something in between like other angels.
@@obamaorb7426 I think that was because he couldn’t use his wings, since you know you he was being trapped by a spell. Thats why we saw his smoke form. Same happened to alternate michael when jack ate him.
Reapers do have vessels, even Tessa shows this later in the series when Castiel has his "Angel Army" going against Metatron. The reason no one sees her except Dean in the hospital is because reapers have the power to change the reality around them to whatever they want others to see. (Tessa explains this to Dean once he figures out what she is and not just another dying person.
And reapers are a class of angel so they all have to have vessels they can just choose who sees what around them.
My favorite part of this whole video was the stargate reference 😊
I imagine a Demon's smoke form is invisible to normal humans, and the moments we usually see it are for viewer benefit. The times we don't actually see it happen seem like they're meant to show us the "Human view". It would make sense seeing as Azazel possessed a reaper, with their true form being astral based (also explaining why humans can't see it).
Can you make a whole video about eve and her connection to the Levitations😅 great video!
Yes, I absolutely plan to make a video about that! Not sure when I’ll get to it, I have several others in the works at the moment, but it’s definitely on my list.
@@superfanatural8092 can't wait to see them all.
Fairly sure the akrida should've been included,
but even I forgot about them until you started describing *another* bug type monster that possesses people😅
(And I suppose they are not from "supernatural" if you want to go down that route😂)
well i think it was because "eyes are the windows to the soul" thing fir the first ever demon possesion
Its kinda cleared that he was able to possess a Reaper only because of the deal due to "red tape". Without the power of a deal, Reaper possession i don't think is possible.
I don't know if it exactly counts, but there was that one episode where the teenagers found a spellbook and one of them swapped bodies with Sam, and yes, they did SWAP bodies, instead of the spellcaster simply taking over, but apparently that wasn't supposed to happen, the kids friends were suprised that Sam was in the kids body. Regardless, I think it's an honorable mention at least
Don't judge people for wanting to be inside another person.
I would think a "Khan" worm would be a reference to the parasite of Ceti Alpha 5 in "The wrath of Khan" rather than being inspired by Goa'uld.
I actually think Disaster Demons(They are literally called that) are a sub species of Demons that use that unique possession therefore meaning it is both canon and possible since they have a unique form of possession
Every time I see your logo, I think SuperFatural 😂
I remember the season when Gadreel was living in Sam's body and Dean was trying to find a way to get the angel out of his body. And I thought, "Oh, are they going to find that Alastair spell?" No, it seems the writers completely forgot about angelic exorcism.
By the way, it seems that the version with “a person can kick out an angel at any time” does not work. Jimmy didn't like being a vessel, but he couldn't kick Cas out. Hannah's female vessel wanted to return home to her husband, Hannah felt this, but she released her vessel voluntarily, and not because the woman ordered her to leave. The angels in this show are really assholes.
The reason Bobby was expelled is because he did it himself. He pretty much touched a hot stove by touching iron and jumped out of the body ya idjiot.
I've been possessed once before and the demon said what the hell is wrong with you I been to hell and dam. I just told him it's your meat suit so your problem now. He go a priest to exercise himself. Best vacation I ever had and best chiropractic session I ever had
4:01, whats actually crazy isnt that azazel might have possessed a non-physical being , its the fact that even if reapers turned out to possess people or have physical bodies , azazel still ended up using the reaper's powers to bring dean back.
So like, even if the reaper really had a physical body , even if it was something separated to their essence, even if it fitted our model of "something that could be possessed" perfectly ... It COULD NOT BE only that, AZAZEL WOULD HAVE TO POSSESS HER ESSENCE/SOUL either way, body or no body , in order to use her reaper powers....
Like, imagine crowley seemingly possessing castiel's vessel, only for him to display castiels wings and take flight . This is basically what happened.
The closest thing to this that actuallly happened is when Castiel absorbed purgatory souls
Reapers is a type of angel at least that's what I thank
pretty sure when the woman touched iron and bobby popped out it was because bobby either did not resist at all or didn't know how to leave and that was the only way he could think of.
5:34 honestly is just sad and probably made me the most uncomfortable out of all of them in the series
8:52 That was Luci if i remember correctly not raph
What he said was correct but he played the wrong footage.
my theory for demons taking over bodies without any visual aspect is them doing it directly from hell. kind of like how they can go from hell directly to whatever they want. they could possess someone directly from hell.
i think the black goo (all the types) is simply because its gross to most people and probably SUPER cheap, probably even cheaper if they buy one color dye/ink/whatever in bulk hence why its usually black.
That is peobably the real reason. I always took it as a thing from Eve since she is refered to be the mother of the monsters. So it is basically a trait from her originally that she just passes by to the monsters she created. I guess it doesn't fit to all scenarion but it is the best in universe reason i could think of
the black goo is called Ectoplasma! ghost busters calls it ectoplasma, but the IRL substance is called Ecto plasma
I laughed when you said hello hunters cause that's my real first name
Eve can get it.
Season 9, ep 3. I'm No Angel
Reaper mentions that it is possessing a woman named April.
btw at 8:48 this is lucifer killing cass/jimmy right? not raphael?
In later seasons post-angel-fall it shows that reapers do possess hosts and not just make their own bodies.... Also on just a basic level reapers r technically angels and they say many times that ALL angels no matter what have to have a willing vessel.
That means Reapers do actually have natural ghostly forms and require hosts in order to do their own reaper stuff
I never viewed Castiels body as dead. When God rebuilt Cas he rebuilt him in that form. That body was no longer separate from him. Sort of like how Jesus and God are not separate.
I like your reviews
biblically demons ARE angels just fallen ones, so the next time a shadow tells you it's an angel just recall it's not lying no matter if tis from hell or heaven.
depending on how early/far back you want to go into scriptures determines what Demons/Daemons are. In one set Daemons are the creations of Lucifer, In other Scriptures they are the creations of man, In others all of them are fallen Angels. But in every case most of the Demons were/are Gods from other religions outside of Judaism and Christianity.
And that's just the scriptures we know of as there's suspected to be a whole library of Scriptures under Temple Mount in Jerusalem going back roughly 6 thousand years pre-dating all of the ones we have, most of which are Translations from Ancient Greek to an earlier version of Hebrew (basically all of the Old Testament). The main problem of getting to them being that after the Persian, Roman, European and Ottoman invasions/Occupations of Samaria and Judea no one is allowed on the Mount except for Muslims.
I remember watching the last one for the first time and i was shook. So weird, no genitals.
Kinda reminds me of the strigoi from the strain
early season issues as well for Azazel being black smokey, but, is what it is...
Well salt doesn't just force a ghost out of a body if u putt it into their mouth. Ghost have a weakness to salt so probably any biggee contact to it can force a ghost out of a body, as we see dean and sam use shotgun ammunition made out of or filled with salt (The episode with the ghost bound to the costumes, that is mentioned in the video, is one example). I guess you could also just throw a package of salt at someone who is posessed and it would do the trick lol
Also once Castiel allows Lucifer to possess him when getting ready to fight the Darkness/Amara and the boys r trying to get Lucifer out Crowley possess Castiel as well so theres 3 in that body as well Cas, Lucifer and Crowley... Would be the only time 4 are in one body but Jimmy was already dead and Castiel had be rebuilt by God.
If you are mute and an angel wants to possess you, can you then also use sign language or nod?
Wat would happen if a angel get a human pregnant and a demon possess her while she still is pregnant? Could the demon corrupt the human side of the unborn baby?
There are so many rules for angels
Lucifer exploded Cass, not Raphael.
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The Leviathans probably consume the human soul inside the body when possessing it.
Nah, they more than likely kill the host once entering the body cuz they never really display any soul sucking properties
@@Archiver_StudioNot the ability to consume souls at will, but the possession either destroys the soul or the leviathan consumes them due to their unending hunger.
Probably not, the only example of someone surviving possession is Cass, well he technically died.
@@DefaultName-du3kr He died but his spirit was never eaten, this proves they cannot consume spirits, consumption of ghosts requires much greater use than just possession
The body most likely just dies and the ghost is cast out into their afterlife prematurely
What episodes had the ear worms?
Season 6 episode 16 And then they were none.
You forgot the wicked witch
That was less possession and more mind control which allowed her to override their minds using her magic
I’d love a video about The Colt
I thought the one who was possessing through the eyes was a ghost? My memory is bad anyways 😂
I don’t remember that Alien thing, when was that?
S13 E17
Not Raphael killed Cass and Jimmy, that was Lucy
from what movie is the first scene from? the one with sam neil
It’s crazier when you actually see it in person. This shit actually happens in real life, strange shit going on since 2019 and way back.
Sorry but lucifer exploded castiel post holy fire maltov
If I recall correctly, that was lucifer exploding cas, also you forgot spectres leave green ectoplasm
Start about the word about the tablets
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You guys are who I imagine the angels ended up stuck with
Still a bit salty about the leviathan "possessions". Demons and ghosts possessing humans? Works great. Angels? That was a bit of a stretch tbh. Not a typical take. But then again, if we look at many descriptions of angels in the literature, they are more like many eyed monsters from Lovecraft... so it may be fine.
But Leviathans? They are supposed to be the most gigantic monsters god has created. And they are just another "we possess human" type of monster... Quite disappointing. Just as much as the "the phoenix has human form" or "the dragon has human form".
Come on. If you do not want to spend the budget for giant monster cgi or props. Do not include them in your story...
I still think it's a highly overrated module but it doesn't deserve the level of condemnation the subject author gave it. As a trainer it's ok, but it doesn't make that intent very clear so that defense of it's shortcomings don't hold up with me. But it cannot be compared to any modern adventures because it was very specific to BECME/1e. Pro tip: Use the Temple of Chaos ( I think it was called ) as a detachment/ recruiting group for one of the Elemental groups in the Temple of Elemental Evil. I think I used earth and changed the cult in Temple of the Reptile God to the Water Temple. By then my players were ready to take out the trouble at it source, so they followed the clues I spoon fed them in those two modules to the ToEE. Where they died.