another evil thing mnet did was have saebis mom and fukos mom next to each other so while we watch one mother smile proudly for her daughter who achieved what shed been fighting for the other was in the back watching her daughter have a mental break down on international television with no way of comforting her forcing tears back herself
FUKO was literally exploited. I can't forget how taeyang dgaf about fuko's emotions while she was crying and giving her speech after elimination. That man lost all my Respect just in millisecond. Justice for fuko I really wanna see her debuting and being able to show her talent to this world. I will cheer for you until you debut FUKO fighting
she's a very good singer, a stable dancer, a bilingual and empathetic leader, not to mention the fact she's super smart and kind h1ghr music better debut her asap
fukos story is disgustingly common in these shows, for example, lee sunwoo from gp999, was eliminated after 1 round and got basically no screentime, was kept in a companies basement, then re-appeared on universe ticket with an insanely all-rounded skill-set, she ultimately came 10, making her 2 spots away from debuting with unis. same with nayoung from dream academy/girls on fire, yuju on iland, etc. (also doesnt help that fuko, gyuri and yuju were all my top 4 😭😭😭😭)
iland 2 is such a scam honestly, if the judges were smart they would pick Yuju because she has decent vocals and dancing, really strong rap skill which is what izna lacks, I'm not a Mai anti but she got picked because of her visual, and they add Saebi, basically Jeemin if she was a bit younger
@@kimkardashi-un2.051tbh as a fuko stan, mai was picked because of her insane commitment, leadership skills and work ethic AS WELL AS her pretty visuals they didn't want fuko, so they needed mai, because none of the other girls are as good at leadership as mai and fuko mai is super motivated and she's very good at organizing and leading
They tanked her. The judges were more impressed by Sarang’s voice crack than Fuko’s perfect performance for 4 walls. I knew the fix was in at that point.
Fuko just didn't stand out, and would feel more like a filler member. Jungeun and Jiyoon are already 2 vocalists Sarang replaces Fuko as a vocalist since she can also rap and has a bigger fanbase than her And everybody else in izna balances the group. If Fuko debuted, she would honestly just be there. It's not like I didn't want her to debut. I even had her in my lineup. But what confused me was why I had her in my lineup. She didn't really stand out much, and sarang (despite performance anxiety) would most likely be a better pick!
@@alekhamen at least someone agrees 😭 it's not like she's bad, she just doesn't stand out. Only in vocals did she stand out but we have jiyoon and jungeun.
@Cataclysmicrose why are we acting like having 3 main vocals wouldn't be a good thing considering the insane hate trains that were recently started bcs of poor vocals
I feel particularly bad for Fuko because she’s 19 at the time of filming. Nearly 20. And while by any reasonable measure this is so extremely young, and that she by all rights has her whole life ahead of her, the K-pop industry by and large doesn’t think that way. And if she isn’t given an opportunity in the coming months she may never get another. This to me is the difference between Fuko and contestants like 15 year old Gyuri, 16 year olds Yuju, Sujung and Yui. All of these girls still have 3+ years left to be given the next opportunity, Fuko is unfortunately fighting a ticking clock that has been unfairly pushed on her from the industry
I felt the same about Gyuri. You get attached and hopeful, then crushed when they don’t make it. At least with Gyuri, I understood why she likely didn’t make it (too young). With Fuko, I am absolutely baffled. 😢 She did so well.
I feel different about Gyuri. She’s only 15 years old and has an extensive acting resume, Gyuri will get a second chance sooner or later, she is still on the young end of “ideal” debut ages (for companies I think the best age is 18+ but obviously the industry feels differently) Gyuri is looking really at another 4 - 5 solid years of taking new opportunities to debut. Fuko on the other hand has to find something soon or she will be fighting an uphill battle against an industry who has written her off as some old hag because she’s no longer a teenager. I’m just hoping someone has the sense to reach out their hand and say, “hey we have a group you would be perfect for” and that she has the sense to leave wakeone and take it
This is also why I didn't like Yoonchae debuting in Katseye, she fits the group great now but she was the trainee who would have been the biggest chance of debuting even after the show especially since her dream was originally being a kpop idol and not a global idol. Being 15 years old she had plenty of time, whereas people from different countries are likely not to make it and bring probably the same or even more to the table.
As someone who didn't follow the actual contest much, I was absolutely sure Fuko was guaranteed. I was so confident in that that I didn't notice when she wasn't in the final line up until a few weeks later. It was so shocking.
Just a few days ago I was stumbled upon this interview w MYTEEN's Kim Kookheon who was also one of the trainees who joined Produce X 101. There he stated that he almost took his own life by jumping off a bridge after the show finished. It was so heartbreaking to know that bcs eventhough he's not my pick, he did steal my attention bcs his dancing are really great, and is also pretty good looking. Kinda giving the same vibe like 2PM's Junho amd Highlighg's Gikwang (yes this is for the 2nd gen fellas out there) Up until the PDX just ended there was always a rumor abt the show being rigged, only after the authorities did an investigation on the show being a scam to the viewers, bcs the result was indeed rigged. And after that, am calling it stop, PDX is gonna be my last kpop survival show. Now, imagine being so power and money hungry, you may actually destroy a person's mental. Sick
Im so glad this isnt just me. After one single show I swore I could never see another survival show again. It’s too cruel, too heartbreaking as an audience to be able to do nothing while the people they made you grow attached to dont make the cut. I can never look at the final group the same way, knowing all the people who were more talented and deserving who aren’t there.
I felt the same thing about Fuko, even thought when i watched girls planet, i didn't got a chance to get to know her because of the vast number of girls that were included in that show. But when i started watching iland2 and saw her, i was like she absolutely must debut. I felt very proud everytime she had a chance to perform and do well. I supported her and voted for her during the show and when i learned that she didn't make it, i was devastated because she would in my mind debut for sure. I wish the best for her in whatever she will do in her life
i see a lot of people excusing fuko not making it into izna because she failed to rap at the END OF THE SHOW mind you. the judges were way more generous to contestants who were lacking in some areas when all fuko couldn’t do was rap. don’t get me wrong, i love izna with my whole being, but still, fuko was sabotaged.
Respectfully, I feel like some i-mates take this out of proportion. Fuko wrote 1 sentence of IWALY. If not, 2. Some I-mates believe she wrote 80% of the song and therefore should debut, and I have to respectfully disagree.
@@kdyrmdn She has been practicing the language, that's why she was also seen helping koko and other Japanese trainees. And although it is impressive and noteworthy, that doesn't mean she should debut because she can write 1 sentence of a song. It's not fair to judge based on that. The other girls in izna easily make up for Fuko's absence. She would 100% become a filler member of izna if she debuted. She's a good vocalists and is good in high-notes, but Jungeun and Jiyoon make up for that. And Sarang also makes up for that since she can sing, rap, and is a really good dancer. I have a question. What would Fuko bring to the group? I genuinely can't see anything she would add. More fans? Just please the general audience? But then Sarang stans would be upset. Seriously, there is no winning here..
@Cataclysmicrosefuko has more stable vocals than sarang and has a clean dance line. She would’ve definitely helped the group have a bigger audience in japan which they don’t have surprisingly
@@kdyrmdn I don’t think much would change for there Japanese fan base. Sure they would get quite a bit more fans, but having 2 Japanese members is already enough. Sarang has good vocals, and I do agree that Fuko’s vocals are better, but sarang is an ace that can sing decently, dance really good, can rap, and she has a lot of fans, which is why she ranked 5th.
I stopped since produce X. Imagine voting for that one contestant who made it to the finals but didn't made it into the team but that team also got dibanded after 5 fvcking months. It felt like the whole survivor show was a joke.
thank you for making this video cus i was starting to feel delusional with all the izna fans tryna gaslight me into believing that mai deserved a spot but fuko didn’t .. when fuko was an insane all rounder the entire show .. she should’ve got all the focus that jeemin got tbh considering she was a better performer and team mate
While Fuko was talented/ skillful (more than Mai) she definitely wasn’t an Allrounder, like she was a decent vocalist and an okay dancer, but she couldn’t rap and her dance skills weren’t good enough for a dance position. The only position she would get in most kpop groups would be lead vocalist, which means she isn’t an Allrounder.
@hello-dh4nk Imo i think Fuko's rap was good. In the show, Fuko's rap in Fake it was given away to jungeun but the producers never explicitly said her rap was bad. The translated captions said that the part would fit Jungeun better. Regarding her dance, she is a good dancer as well. Her dance never faltered during the show the dance break during Bad Boy and 4 walls showed that too. Just because someone doesn't get a main role doesn't mean they're bad at that role. They got to choose their parts or they were assigned so saying someone isn't good enough for a position is completely meaningless. (Kang Jiwon got main vocal but she wasn't a good vocalist). Also, saying Fuko is a decent vocalist is an understatement knowing that she was singing all the ad-libs in ITNW and usually sings the most lines in her performances which is a difficult feat. The top 3 vocals noted by fans during the show were Jiyoon Junguen AND Fuko. I agree that Fuko might not get the role of all-rounder in a group with jungeun but she would be lead vocal and lead dancer, maybe even sub-rapper (not enough rap performances to know yet).
When you mentioned that you put effort into the choice of visuals as well as audio in your content, I just wanted to say i could really tell from the start of the video!! Putting clips of Jay when you talked about trainee's personalities, or Project 7 when you talked about 1-2 hour episodes announcing voting was so genius
I mean I think it's an open secret that for a lot of these shows the producers already have some idea on who they want to end up with in the group. Perhaps that list isn't set in stone and that through the process of the contest they'll see things they hadn't before, but overall they want certain key figures to create a group around. The show also is a way to gauge what the public is responding to like an unpaid focus group. At the same time, you can't give the public 100% power of choice with these things because they have no inside knowledge on how the process works. Most people vote for emotions or popularity and if you're the producer you need people who are talented and compliment others. So I really do believe most of the time these contests are just for show and the majority of the time idols/trainees are voted up, down, or off in an attempt to make the secret members the producers like shine more. Also editing and the judges/producers play a role in shaping a story for drama and eliminations. With Fuko there's no way of knowing what wet wrong, but the producers obviously did not want to deal with her in the final group for one reason or another. Perhaps she shined to much and didn't compliment the others, maybe she had too many health issues, maybe she clashed with people back stage. We'll never know unless someone spills the beans.
Yeah i would say 90% of the group is already chosen before the show starts, the show itself is a good marketing strategy to make the audience connect to the struggles of the idols and then support them when they debut
i rlly loved fuko, she was my top 1 ever since day 1. i voted her everyday, and was telling all my friends to vote her. i was crying when she didn't make it, i rlly wish the best for her and hope she continues fighting for her dream. also, universe ticket is an amazing survival show! it was the 2nd one that i kept up with, and you should watch it!!! i rlly enjoyed it and the final lineup
This video made think of all the contestants I used to support in Produce 101, Idol School, and produce 48 that could've made it in the group...but then I also see that some of them made it big due to that experience and hardworking like Natty, Huh Yunjin and more
I geniunely think that Fuko is gonna be in the higher music group that they are making from former iland2 contestant that didnt debut. Her debut is coming soon, i just know it.
For those who don't keep up with Kpop rumors, H1GHER MUSIC is rumored to be debuting a group from the eliminated trainees of I-Land 2 (the company has debuted groups from eliminated trainees of survival shows in the past). Fuko is assumed to still be training with WakeOne, so she is thought to be one of the tentative members for that group along with Yeeun and a few other I-Land 2 trainees still at WakeOne. Regarding the actual show, Fuko was more of a wholesome personality about teamwork. During Part 2, the producers cut the teamwork and pushed the competition. Certain members who emphasized teamwork were pushed to the back in favor of more competitive trainees like Sujung, Sarang, etc.
As I was watching this something clicked for me. I think that the producers (the ones making the show, not the judges) changed their minds about who they wanted in the group between part 1 and part 2. In part 1 it seemed like they were pushing Mai, Fuko and Jungeun hard (along with Jeemin, Saebi and Sarang) and were setting up Jiyoon as the villain along the lines of Chanmi (PD 101). But, to their surprise, Jiyoon got more popular after that villain story and I think that duet with Jungeun is what changed their minds about wanting her in the group. I also think that Jiyoon caught on to what they were doing and wasn't about to let it happen. Funny enough, this also reminds me of Chanmi because she didn't give the producers a single tiny bit to work with when she appeared on Mix Nine after failing to debut on PD101. She even supported keeping fan favorite Ryujin (who eventually debuted in Itzy) in a group despite knowing that only the member with the most votes would get an advantage. Of course it didn't work out for her again but at least she wasn't the villain. Luckily for Jiyoon, it worked out better for her (I think due to the fan support, tbh). The producers also seemed to decide that they wanted Koko and, since Kpop companies (other than YG with Baemon) seem to be allergic to having more than 1/3 of a group be non-korean, it seems like they just stopped pushing either Mai or Fuko... probably hoping that only one of the two of them would make it. I think that, if all 3 had made it, that would have been a disaster in the producers' minds.They still seemed to go back and forth with Mai, sometimes giving her the underdog edit, but then she was basically non-existent in several episodes. On the other hand, they switched up and gave Jiyoon a redemption arc while trying to make Jungeun look bad. They still kept pushing Jeemin and Sarang but they kind of laid off on Saebi too. But, in the end, people voted for who they wanted and the editing of the entire show didn't affect the voting as much as usual. It seems like people are catching on, especially after Dayeon was literally shoved down our throats on GP 999 but still only managed to come in 4th place, lol. On this show it seems like Jeemin and Sarang were the two that they were really pushing but neither could beat Jungeun who they were trying to make into a villain. The whole thing kind of reminds me of JYP's Sixteen. When you're watching it, you get the distinct feeling of who JYP wants and doesn't want in the group the entire time. And he seemed to REALLY want Minyoung as the main vocal for a good part of the show. However, Minyoung kept cracking under pressure while Jihyo (who he always seemed to want, but didn't originally seem to consider as the main vocal) proved that she could handle the main vocal spot. This allowed him to change course and add a member he didn't seem all that interested in in the beginning (Tzuyu). I-Land 2 gave me that same sort of feeling only, on that show, the producers didn't change their minds because the girls they were originally pushing failed to live up to expectations. It seems more like they were checking boxes in their own minds. They had Jeemin as the center, Sarang as the all-rounder, Jungeun and then Jiyoon as the main vocal and then Fuko (part 1)/Koko (part 2) as the Japanese member with 1 possible slot open for another Japanese member. They also had Sarang and Koko who could both be main rapper and main dancer so it was like there were 4 slots filled (Jiyoon, Jeemin, Sarang and Koko) and then they didn't care about the last 3 slots other than wanting at least 2 of them to go to Korean members.
I just finished project 7 and had Fuko flashbacks. I am glad now that she did not get with Izna and I hope she ends up in a group that fits her better like K and &Team.
i do not think your parasocial attachment to idols--to the point of crying over them in your day-to-day life-- is healthy. this is a very kind and empathetic video, though. remember that the idol industry wants you to form these one-sided attachments, and that you may be unknowingly reinforcing the industry you have problems with.
yeah, as a normie I was weirded out by how he was depressed by Fuko's elimination. I know it's sad and all, but bruh she doesn't even know him. But then I remember people crying about Ace's death in One Piece, so it might be just me not understanding how these kinda stuff affects people.
@@whiteRiceSupremacist yeah like i get disappointed when contestants i like get eliminated too but i can't fathom this amount of attachment to them at all
@@whiteRiceSupremacist yeah, it's more of an empathy thing, some people just tend to feel more attached, getting extremely depressed is definitely over the top, but crying and stuff like that is normal when you watch a person or a character for some time then get hit with the death of that character or when the person you were watching doesn't reach what they were working so hard for. A lot of people also just exaggerate, using expressions like "this got me depressed'' etc to express their disappointment
Even after the Produce scandal, production company still lowkey rigged the competition by evil editing & biased screentime. And also not reveal at the first place how many spots are there to debut. E.g Baby KARA. Everyone thought it would be 2 spots but in the end it was only 1.
I didn't know about Fuko bc after getting my heart broken with Produce48 and the later disbandment of IZ*ONE I distanced myself from them. But after watching this video, I recognize your feelings, bc I also had very similar ones towards some contestants in Produce48. I wish Fuko the best, even as a soloist she seems to be someone who can go very far
As someone that went through that twice with both IOI and Iz*One, I get what you mean. But I-Land 2, like the original I-Land, made a permanent group so it felt more comfortable for me to watch it.
Nice video. This might sound obvious, but I feel like getting so emotionally invested in kpop survival shows and individual contestants is at the end of the day, your choice. Personally, I choose to stay positive and think that if a contestant that i like does not make it to the final and debut in whatever given group, he or she will debut later on in another group. It is been like this with Boys Planet (at least 5 groups came out of that), and I-land 1. If for whatever reason someone decides to give up and go to university, or open a business, then good for them as well. As long as they have support from their loved ones and their mental health is not affected, everything should be alright. And if for some reason their mental health was somehow affected, then I advise to stay away from that industry for good. I would like to remind you another obvious fact. Not even debuting means having a successful, peaceful and happy career (produce 101, fantasy boys, I am sure there are more examples). We see contestants joining survival shows again and again after years of having had their debut. These guys, regardless if they are in a group or not, are freelancers. And they have chosen and extremely tough career. It is what it is. They should know, their families should know and we should know. The only thing we can do is support them and stay hopeful. Supporting them for fair job conditions and contracts, for example. Turning them into victims, obsessing over them and/or having a toxic attachment to them will not help them and will certainly not make any good to your own mental health and wellbeing. My point is, if Fuko really loves this job she will probably debut sooner or later, solo or in a group in S.Korea or in Japan. And, no offence, this video will be a great example of manipulative storytelling, following the school of MNETS survival shows manipulative narratives.
i feel the same way about jay chang from boys planet and he basically had the same thing happen to him, being well liked on the show on the first half by getting lots of screen time and moments then to barely seeing him pop up in the screen, seeing him crying in the finale and being called as a candidate for the final member and then him not getting the final spot, it broke me, and i have a moot who was a fuko pick and went through what you did but it was worse for her cuz this was the third time something like this happened to her, first she one picked jay chang, then jiwoo from runext and now fuko but thankfully now jay chang has now debuted (3 times🤭) and most likely fuko is gonna be apart of the iland 2 group that’s gonna be under h1gher ent so i cant wait for her to debut
Normally they would show candidates but Boys Planet finale never did like that. I think it's because they were in short of time and rushed it to announce the final member straight up. He only got to know he was just one place away from the cut after the show.
I'm actually so surprised makemate1 was even mentioned!! it's probably my favorite survival show, every contestant had the talent already, there was no obvious favoritism and with a perfect number of cast i was rooting for everyone and not only for my 1pick like I did in boysplanet!
3:22 no the addiction is real, ive watched airing and even past survival shows in the last few months (iland 2, gp999, bp, half of iland, just finished P7, starting UL, started UT, plan to watch Starlight Boys, Queendom Puzzle, once i can, and RUN if i can find it) 10:04 I-Land is the correct answer for a starting survival show, the amount of contestants is perfect, and it shows a general standard with the format and all
I participated in the I-land voting but I didn't watch the show until it was finished. Three participants that I voted for blindly were: Jeemin, Mai and Fuko. After watching the entire show, I was happy to know that they were exactly what I had imagined while voting. When I found out that Fuko and Jeemin had already participated in other survival shows, I rooted for them even more. I recognized their talents and saw them as complete idols. I was very happy that Jeemin made it, but I understood the general "revolt" that I saw in the comments on Instagram and Twitter at the time. Fuko has all the characteristics and talent to be an idol. She has evolved completely since Girls Planet and needed to debut. After Izna debuted in November, part of me was happy that she didn't debut in this group. She really is an all-arounder and deserves to be in a group that challenges her but also makes her comfortable. The concept Fuko's is diverse and I know she has great potential and definitely deserves something big, I still haven't accepted the producers' statements about her but I hope she gets something better than izna (ps: I love all the members, and this comment is 100% about Fuko)
I had ended up like you 6 years ago when Produce 48 took away Kaeun's last chance to re-debut despite that she really made it to the final lineup of Iz*one. The group did well but they always remind me that Mnet did dirty with the girls. Also Chowon, Lightsum didn't make it. Both Kaeun and Chowon could have had better opportunities if weren't robbed by that rigged group.
Although I didn't follow PDX101, I keep thinking about the case of Lee Hangyul, who has already debuted in 3 groups and the only one that was successful, X1, simply ended after 5 months of activity, he even in Starlight Boys, which he would like to return to in 2019 because it was the happiest moment of his life. 😢
Awesome video. I've never watched the survival shows as I only got into kpop a year ago. Though two of my favourite groups - Kep1er and ILLIT - happened to come from them! I was obviously aware of the concept of the survival show but didn't put much thought into it.
I watched both runext and iland as they were airing and I must say that the finale of iland was so brutal I swore off survival shows for a minute. The only consolation I can give you is that my picks from RUNext (Chanelle and Jeemin) ended up debuting in groups only a month apart from each other around a year from when they eliminated from the show. I am hopeful 2025 brings us Fuko debuting.
The thing with these survival shows is that no one is ever "safe". Every debut group from these shows have an agenda of sorts. In the beginning, the agenda (for the show makers & producers & judges) is just to get to know everyone and see who they can work with. Once they eliminated enough people, then they need to start thinking about who's left and what kind of group they can make with these girls (and ultimately how to audiences to tilt their votes to those girls subtilty if they exist). Personally I think all survival shows are rigged in a sense that the showmakers might not know exactly who will make it, but I think they know who and what kind of people they don't want in their line-up.
This is why every single member of the cast in Netflix's Dream Academy that made Katseye are all memorable ! It was a small enough group for people to get attached to every single contestant. Like you have people on Tiktok talking about Narjeese, Mia, and Angelina despite not having ANY screentime as they were cut out.
I guess i was lucky... I watched Boys planet, rooted for Zhang Hao and he won the 1st place. But i can understand how survival show can crush a heart, watching it for 3 months you get attached so much, you rooting for a contestants...
Im really sad bc people are ignoring Fuko and Gyuri both of them are good and everything and i was also like you how tf did 2 people make it to the group and they not
Thats why I stopped watching kpop survival shows. the amount of anxiety I get from these shows crushing all these contestants’ dreams is so unbearable.
Awesome video man! I got my wife into Kpop and the survival side of how groups are basically made. My recommendation to people who are new to Kpop would be to watch the worst and best survival shows. To me the worst one has to be Mixnine because it pretty much wasted everyone's time and made no groups. It's a good educator in showing how much companies are actually out there aside from the famous ones and you get to see the talents that will eventually be in groups that are famous today. The best one to me is the one that made Stray Kids because it shows the level of freedom certain companies give and how self producing idols work. Maybe No Mercy for MonstaX or Idol Producer from China would work too, but JYP gave Bang Chan the freedom I have never seen in doing his thing and it paid off. It's an awesome genre of music and people should explore how each company runs. SM is unique, YG is the ghetto, JYP is it's own color, and Hybe is basically Thanos' infinity glove. There is a company out there for everyone with a select sound in music. You like ballads then Antena Music is for you and if you like straight bars then AOMG or Higher Music if for you. Just explore peeps!
Um belo vídeo, uma pena os comentários serem só fãs de kpop com o cérebro derretido pela desumanização dos idol discutindo sobre a Fuko merecer ou não estar no grupo enquanto o vídeo simplesmente não é sobre isso, mas imagino que tentar olhar esses idols/trainees como seres humanos com sonhos, vontades e desejos que podem não se realizar como acontece com qualquer um de nós (que é o ponto do vídeo) é pedir demais de vocês.
I didn’t watch iland2 but watching fuko’s performance of girls generation after hearing you talk about her broke my heart and I cried because you could feel how genuine? That performance was from her. I can never watch a survival show again but I hope she debuts one day and finds the fame and success she deserves shame, we are the same age and wow that poor girl she is awesome!
Okay but what a sweet love letter to Fuko this video is. She was my top pick from the first week, I voted every day for her. I was so sure she would make the final group I knew I didn’t want to pick a top girl I wasn’t sure of after getting burned so badly from R U Next? I love Izna and every girl that debuted deserved too but so did Fuko.
Hahahaha! Imagine all this happening for a girl that should’ve been in ioi and/or izone. And knowing the latter was a result of vote manipulation for someone whose solo career didn’t even try to get off the ground. It sucks! But that’s life. 😅
I don't watch kpop survival shows the first ever kpop survival show I've watched is BOYS PLANET and let me tell you I was so invested like emotionally mentally I was CERTAIN my faves would make it but in the end they didn't like wdym JAY CHANG DIDN'T MAKE IT??? AND AND KIETA??? well I mean they're all doing great now and absolutely no hate to the other boys but I remember feeling so angry and betrayed at that time 💀💀well I'm fine now BUT NEVER NEVER AGAIN AM I WATCHING SURVIVAL SHOWS BRO I'M TRAUMATIZED.
i can't even fathom how fuko felt failing to debut while being watched by kep1er... i wish she and yuju made it in :( hopefully she still gets to pursue her dream, if not i wish her nothing but happiness
I liked Fuko but honestly I'm glad she didn't place. She's beautiful and talented but I didn't think she could pull off any concept other than cute. She did well with "Bad Boy" mostly because everyone else was weaker. She wouldn't stand out out in the final lineup simply because the others are either better singers, dancers, and performers. Fuko is great.... but not for Izna. She would be great for a group like Twice 🥰
100% agreed. And Bad Boy does fit her image. Elegant and classy. And yeah, she only stood out mostly because everyone else was weaker. In ITNW, she got overshadowed if not for her high note towards the end.
@Cataclysmicrose I think a lot of people don't know how to be unbiased when it comes to these things. For example, I love EXO! They will always be #1 but I def know there are a couple of members with some weak skills. I still love them but it's a fact.
For me after watching RU Next, with the they way that show was run I couldn't watch any more survival show ever again. The only shows I have watched was Boys Planet and RU Next. I can't watch one ever again and with what they did to Fuko in the worst way possible.
I appreciate the effort you put into this video. It felt like a love letter from a far away admirer that you decided to share with the world because you couldn't do it directly. Well done! I remember watching the final episode a day or so after it aired. I didn't check social media before watching. I had a general idea as to who would for sure be in (Jungeun, Jeemin, Koko, Jiyoon) and knew the last two spots would be tough because I had come to really like the final group of candidates. They all had their charms and I had grown attached to each one for various reasons. I knew they all couldn't make it and I accepted that. The lineup that made the most sense to me was the aforementioned four, plus Mai or Fuko with Saebi. When Sarang was called for the fifth spot, I was surprised but understood. She stepped up when she was challenged with rapping and brought a certain look and personality that I'm sure was very appealing. I agree that the editing towards the end likely helped her a substantial amount, but she absolutely still deserves her spot. When it came down to the sixth spot, I thought it would be Saebi. Even with my one pick being Mai, I felt like Saebi's natural charisma was undeniable. I think Fuko felt the same. If Saebi was called for the sixth spot instead of Mai, Fuko probably wouldn't have looked so defeated for the seventh pick. I was holding it together pretty well since I generally watch this kind of content trying to figure out who wins rather than painfully hoping my pick makes it. That was until Saebi was giving her speech and turned to acknowledge Fuko to say she wanted to debut with her. Holy crap that part broke me. I had no idea I was this emotionally invested. I'm still hopeful Fuko debuts one day. She exemplifies what I want to see in a role model. She's talented, kind, helpful and honest. Your thumbnail says "I will never forgive them", but I'll choose to go with "I will never forget her". 😊
I was disappointed that Fuko did not debut with Izna. I honestly think that if she had been able to perform the part that she was originally given for the final challenge, the judges would have picked her to debut. You cannot control who fans vote for but, I think the judges were trying to see how diverse she was and she could not do it and had to change her part.
did guys forget that fuko ranked 9th out the 10 finalists so if you guys tried mass voting for her and getting people to help to vote then prehaps she could've mde into the lineup. It was not only the producer's and mnet's role that played a part but also yours.
Great video! Just finished project 7 and starlight boys .. omg I can’t believe who they chose on both shows in the end .. so many on starlight boys got FUKOED .. some got picked for so called “looks” but could not sing or barely dance… Back to your video .. I absolutely loved FUKO from day 1.. I also liked Mai.. in the end I never thought FUKO wouldn’t debut.. she was on everyone’s picks list.. I was heartbroken for her esp when they showed her mom… I was ok with everyone else except that bang big foreheaded bioch and the one you showed that had no facial expressions I hated her because she was a “mean girl “ her personality was the worst. And lastly I hate that one with the bangs .. she was cold and has no expression in her eyes (they never change) she might have been able to sing and dance but she was annoying AF. (.I didn’t mention those bioches names due to not liking them not because I don’t know their names)…Great videos, keep making them. You’re funny as well😂
In general, shows with less contestants are better to connect to the contestants as most people can be highlighted at some point, however, it hurts more if the girls did not make it. In the lineup of Izna are some girls, which I personally would have exchanged and yes a group needs balance and fit a certain picture but all of the girl from the show could have sung 'Izna' as song. I think this phenomenon was even more extreme in RUNext, my top pick did make it and then left the group even before debut and I get it. The concept is really not hers. The girls who made it, fit it perfectly, but almost non of them were my picks. The evil editing in these shows is insane, one wrong line and your dreams can be crushed. For groups like Classy, the survival show was really stupid and had a dumb conepts. In the end, it didn't matter what class the trainees came from. But I guess everyone who did not make it, is happy since the group is not promoted. All this drama for what? GP999 was also so rigged, i think they really improved with BP999 and they already announced another one. Also here for what? Anyway, I will never understand how people vote visuals, nepos etc. over people burning with passion and talent, especially then hating on the bad live performances of the final lineup, like no sh*t sherlock. I don't know if you are familiar with Karlee from dream academy, she made an amazing youtube video about the live after loosing the chance of reaching your dream and getting back up
If anyones looking for something messy to watch go watch mixnine, every loona contestant pretended to be bad or to fight to get higher screen time and its hilarious
Great video. I may add the popularity / marketing / star power appeal is also part of the candidate skill set. I see it as the sum of personality / showmanship in and out of music performance on video content. As with funny and quirk type. Visual appeal. Story / relatibility with the fans, but more specific then just superation, as sharing hobbies, telling about their simbiling dinamics. -- Takuma from Ma1, so talented in every skill, was my Fuko. Too bad that non korean quota is a thing. -- I recommend this shows: & the howling that formed hybe's &team. They had 4 from out the gate producers garanty pick members. Ex i land contestants. From a pool of 15 traines. So its kinda more honest then just screentime and storyline pushing candidates. So kinda similar to an actual casting process. But the same problem as other hybes survivals that the vocal coaching is not enought. -- Jyp niziu 2 and a2k (90% in spoken eng) also did a great job showcasing every member, smaller pools. Both officially on yt with eng subtitles. Miraku from ma1 was there. Its a pitty how vcha girls were treated after debut. -- Girls on fire for a vocal gg mostly adults competition. Unfortunally they wont debut. But the show has way better vocal performances then the contemporary i land 2. -- Currently airing : universe league. has game rules for teams competing, so team balance is a major factor then just how the audience votes in their favs. Has a bench and starring team dinamics that is similar to ground / i land game system too. And its well paced too ! not hours and hours milking a excel sheet of rankings .
another evil thing mnet did was have saebis mom and fukos mom next to each other so while we watch one mother smile proudly for her daughter who achieved what shed been fighting for the other was in the back watching her daughter have a mental break down on international television with no way of comforting her forcing tears back herself
i can never forgive them for calling her up there TWICE and not picking her, that’s just the producers enjoying crushing her spirit
FUKO was literally exploited.
I can't forget how taeyang dgaf about fuko's emotions while she was crying and giving her speech after elimination. That man lost all my Respect just in millisecond. Justice for fuko I really wanna see her debuting and being able to show her talent to this world. I will cheer for you until you debut FUKO fighting
Justice for Fuko! She's adorable
this part 30:28 BROKE ME
1.1.2025, izna will introduce new additional members: Fuko
she reminds me of chuu idk why! I really hope she can debut in a group or even solo, she has so much potential!
It's okay,izna's concept doesn't even fit her that much and it seems like she'll debut in the h1ghr girl group where she'll be able to shine more!
she's a very good singer, a stable dancer, a bilingual and empathetic leader, not to mention the fact she's super smart and kind
h1ghr music better debut her asap
fukos story is disgustingly common in these shows, for example, lee sunwoo from gp999, was eliminated after 1 round and got basically no screentime, was kept in a companies basement, then re-appeared on universe ticket with an insanely all-rounded skill-set, she ultimately came 10, making her 2 spots away from debuting with unis. same with nayoung from dream academy/girls on fire, yuju on iland, etc. (also doesnt help that fuko, gyuri and yuju were all my top 4 😭😭😭😭)
iland 2 is such a scam honestly, if the judges were smart they would pick Yuju because she has decent vocals and dancing, really strong rap skill which is what izna lacks, I'm not a Mai anti but she got picked because of her visual, and they add Saebi, basically Jeemin if she was a bit younger
sunwoo and yuju are both evermore muse trainees now, that agency is packed with talent
@@kimkardashi-un2.051tbh as a fuko stan, mai was picked because of her insane commitment, leadership skills and work ethic AS WELL AS her pretty visuals
they didn't want fuko, so they needed mai, because none of the other girls are as good at leadership as mai and fuko
mai is super motivated and she's very good at organizing and leading
But has no money
objectively fuko is better but group dynamics and marketable visuals but then we cant do nothing, anyways support izna
They tanked her. The judges were more impressed by Sarang’s voice crack than Fuko’s perfect performance for 4 walls. I knew the fix was in at that point.
She was 8th in votes tho
To many people felt that she was save for some reason
Fuko just didn't stand out, and would feel more like a filler member.
Jungeun and Jiyoon are already 2 vocalists
Sarang replaces Fuko as a vocalist since she can also rap and has a bigger fanbase than her
And everybody else in izna balances the group. If Fuko debuted, she would honestly just be there. It's not like I didn't want her to debut. I even had her in my lineup. But what confused me was why I had her in my lineup. She didn't really stand out much, and sarang (despite performance anxiety) would most likely be a better pick!
@Cataclysmicrose I literally just commented something similar. Totally agree with you!!! She really doesn't stand out.
@@alekhamen at least someone agrees 😭 it's not like she's bad, she just doesn't stand out. Only in vocals did she stand out but we have jiyoon and jungeun.
@Cataclysmicrose why are we acting like having 3 main vocals wouldn't be a good thing considering the insane hate trains that were recently started bcs of poor vocals
I feel particularly bad for Fuko because she’s 19 at the time of filming. Nearly 20. And while by any reasonable measure this is so extremely young, and that she by all rights has her whole life ahead of her, the K-pop industry by and large doesn’t think that way. And if she isn’t given an opportunity in the coming months she may never get another. This to me is the difference between Fuko and contestants like 15 year old Gyuri, 16 year olds Yuju, Sujung and Yui. All of these girls still have 3+ years left to be given the next opportunity, Fuko is unfortunately fighting a ticking clock that has been unfairly pushed on her from the industry
So true, it's how I feel about Jiwoo from RUNext as well
I felt the same about Gyuri. You get attached and hopeful, then crushed when they don’t make it. At least with Gyuri, I understood why she likely didn’t make it (too young). With Fuko, I am absolutely baffled. 😢 She did so well.
Real..
I needed Fuko, Gyuri and Jiyoon together 😭Their friendship was insane
@@Radiant__Moonnfrr I cried when I found out only Jiyoon debuted from the trio
@mysnowlin THIS WAS ME THE WHOLE TIME. 😭😭
I feel different about Gyuri. She’s only 15 years old and has an extensive acting resume, Gyuri will get a second chance sooner or later, she is still on the young end of “ideal” debut ages (for companies I think the best age is 18+ but obviously the industry feels differently) Gyuri is looking really at another 4 - 5 solid years of taking new opportunities to debut. Fuko on the other hand has to find something soon or she will be fighting an uphill battle against an industry who has written her off as some old hag because she’s no longer a teenager. I’m just hoping someone has the sense to reach out their hand and say, “hey we have a group you would be perfect for” and that she has the sense to leave wakeone and take it
This is also why I didn't like Yoonchae debuting in Katseye, she fits the group great now but she was the trainee who would have been the biggest chance of debuting even after the show especially since her dream was originally being a kpop idol and not a global idol. Being 15 years old she had plenty of time, whereas people from different countries are likely not to make it and bring probably the same or even more to the table.
As someone who didn't follow the actual contest much, I was absolutely sure Fuko was guaranteed. I was so confident in that that I didn't notice when she wasn't in the final line up until a few weeks later. It was so shocking.
MY Korean friends said she was fat :( first of all WHERE she is fit!
it makes me wonder if she was maybe disliked in Asia for her visual...
@@mariasol1545 Which is crazy cause I found her to be sooo pretty!
Just a few days ago I was stumbled upon this interview w MYTEEN's Kim Kookheon who was also one of the trainees who joined Produce X 101. There he stated that he almost took his own life by jumping off a bridge after the show finished. It was so heartbreaking to know that bcs eventhough he's not my pick, he did steal my attention bcs his dancing are really great, and is also pretty good looking. Kinda giving the same vibe like 2PM's Junho amd Highlighg's Gikwang (yes this is for the 2nd gen fellas out there)
Up until the PDX just ended there was always a rumor abt the show being rigged, only after the authorities did an investigation on the show being a scam to the viewers, bcs the result was indeed rigged. And after that, am calling it stop, PDX is gonna be my last kpop survival show.
Now, imagine being so power and money hungry, you may actually destroy a person's mental. Sick
18:00 my jaw genuinely dropped-- planting that seed and telling the viewer it died only to reveal it might not be was so good.
Im so glad this isnt just me. After one single show I swore I could never see another survival show again. It’s too cruel, too heartbreaking as an audience to be able to do nothing while the people they made you grow attached to dont make the cut. I can never look at the final group the same way, knowing all the people who were more talented and deserving who aren’t there.
Preach, I simply made the mistake to tune in again....
I felt the same thing about Fuko, even thought when i watched girls planet, i didn't got a chance to get to know her because of the vast number of girls that were included in that show. But when i started watching iland2 and saw her, i was like she absolutely must debut. I felt very proud everytime she had a chance to perform and do well. I supported her and voted for her during the show and when i learned that she didn't make it, i was devastated because she would in my mind debut for sure. I wish the best for her in whatever she will do in her life
i see a lot of people excusing fuko not making it into izna because she failed to rap at the END OF THE SHOW mind you. the judges were way more generous to contestants who were lacking in some areas when all fuko couldn’t do was rap. don’t get me wrong, i love izna with my whole being, but still, fuko was sabotaged.
SUCH an empathetic and well-put together video. Well done on all fronts!
22:00 Fuko also wrote part of the song 💀
Respectfully, I feel like some i-mates take this out of proportion. Fuko wrote 1 sentence of IWALY. If not, 2. Some I-mates believe she wrote 80% of the song and therefore should debut, and I have to respectfully disagree.
@Cataclysmicrosebla bla bla she won a korean songwriting mission over korean NATIVES
@@kdyrmdn She has been practicing the language, that's why she was also seen helping koko and other Japanese trainees. And although it is impressive and noteworthy, that doesn't mean she should debut because she can write 1 sentence of a song. It's not fair to judge based on that.
The other girls in izna easily make up for Fuko's absence. She would 100% become a filler member of izna if she debuted. She's a good vocalists and is good in high-notes, but Jungeun and Jiyoon make up for that. And Sarang also makes up for that since she can sing, rap, and is a really good dancer.
I have a question. What would Fuko bring to the group? I genuinely can't see anything she would add. More fans? Just please the general audience? But then Sarang stans would be upset. Seriously, there is no winning here..
@Cataclysmicrosefuko has more stable vocals than sarang and has a clean dance line. She would’ve definitely helped the group have a bigger audience in japan which they don’t have surprisingly
@@kdyrmdn I don’t think much would change for there Japanese fan base. Sure they would get quite a bit more fans, but having 2 Japanese members is already enough.
Sarang has good vocals, and I do agree that Fuko’s vocals are better, but sarang is an ace that can sing decently, dance really good, can rap, and she has a lot of fans, which is why she ranked 5th.
I stopped since produce X. Imagine voting for that one contestant who made it to the finals but didn't made it into the team but that team also got dibanded after 5 fvcking months. It felt like the whole survivor show was a joke.
thank you for making this video cus i was starting to feel delusional with all the izna fans tryna gaslight me into believing that mai deserved a spot but fuko didn’t .. when fuko was an insane all rounder the entire show .. she should’ve got all the focus that jeemin got tbh considering she was a better performer and team mate
While Fuko was talented/ skillful (more than Mai) she definitely wasn’t an Allrounder, like she was a decent vocalist and an okay dancer, but she couldn’t rap and her dance skills weren’t good enough for a dance position. The only position she would get in most kpop groups would be lead vocalist, which means she isn’t an Allrounder.
@hello-dh4nk Imo i think Fuko's rap was good. In the show, Fuko's rap in Fake it was given away to jungeun but the producers never explicitly said her rap was bad. The translated captions said that the part would fit Jungeun better. Regarding her dance, she is a good dancer as well. Her dance never faltered during the show the dance break during Bad Boy and 4 walls showed that too. Just because someone doesn't get a main role doesn't mean they're bad at that role. They got to choose their parts or they were assigned so saying someone isn't good enough for a position is completely meaningless. (Kang Jiwon got main vocal but she wasn't a good vocalist). Also, saying Fuko is a decent vocalist is an understatement knowing that she was singing all the ad-libs in ITNW and usually sings the most lines in her performances which is a difficult feat. The top 3 vocals noted by fans during the show were Jiyoon Junguen AND Fuko. I agree that Fuko might not get the role of all-rounder in a group with jungeun but she would be lead vocal and lead dancer, maybe even sub-rapper (not enough rap performances to know yet).
When you mentioned that you put effort into the choice of visuals as well as audio in your content, I just wanted to say i could really tell from the start of the video!! Putting clips of Jay when you talked about trainee's personalities, or Project 7 when you talked about 1-2 hour episodes announcing voting was so genius
I mean I think it's an open secret that for a lot of these shows the producers already have some idea on who they want to end up with in the group. Perhaps that list isn't set in stone and that through the process of the contest they'll see things they hadn't before, but overall they want certain key figures to create a group around. The show also is a way to gauge what the public is responding to like an unpaid focus group. At the same time, you can't give the public 100% power of choice with these things because they have no inside knowledge on how the process works. Most people vote for emotions or popularity and if you're the producer you need people who are talented and compliment others. So I really do believe most of the time these contests are just for show and the majority of the time idols/trainees are voted up, down, or off in an attempt to make the secret members the producers like shine more. Also editing and the judges/producers play a role in shaping a story for drama and eliminations. With Fuko there's no way of knowing what wet wrong, but the producers obviously did not want to deal with her in the final group for one reason or another. Perhaps she shined to much and didn't compliment the others, maybe she had too many health issues, maybe she clashed with people back stage. We'll never know unless someone spills the beans.
Yeah i would say 90% of the group is already chosen before the show starts, the show itself is a good marketing strategy to make the audience connect to the struggles of the idols and then support them when they debut
I was heartbroken too when I learned Fuko didn’t debut. She was one of my favorites, along with Jungeun.
i rlly loved fuko, she was my top 1 ever since day 1. i voted her everyday, and was telling all my friends to vote her. i was crying when she didn't make it, i rlly wish the best for her and hope she continues fighting for her dream.
also, universe ticket is an amazing survival show! it was the 2nd one that i kept up with, and you should watch it!!! i rlly enjoyed it and the final lineup
This video made think of all the contestants I used to support in Produce 101, Idol School, and produce 48 that could've made it in the group...but then I also see that some of them made it big due to that experience and hardworking like Natty, Huh Yunjin and more
fuko's loss on i-land 2 broke my heart 😭
They were so cruel on her in the last episode
I hope she can debut in other group.
I don't know but the narration feels like a super eye patch wolf video just add bg music too it and this will become perfect
so true! especially the parts around 24:22
the switch up on fuko after the final was crazy💀 like everybody started hating on her for no reason hopefully she does make it in the H1GHRgg
still sad for fuko.
But izna is wakeone and enhypen is hybe, so it will be different for them. i really hope wakeone will do izna good.
I geniunely think that Fuko is gonna be in the higher music group that they are making from former iland2 contestant that didnt debut. Her debut is coming soon, i just know it.
For those who don't keep up with Kpop rumors, H1GHER MUSIC is rumored to be debuting a group from the eliminated trainees of I-Land 2 (the company has debuted groups from eliminated trainees of survival shows in the past). Fuko is assumed to still be training with WakeOne, so she is thought to be one of the tentative members for that group along with Yeeun and a few other I-Land 2 trainees still at WakeOne.
Regarding the actual show, Fuko was more of a wholesome personality about teamwork. During Part 2, the producers cut the teamwork and pushed the competition. Certain members who emphasized teamwork were pushed to the back in favor of more competitive trainees like Sujung, Sarang, etc.
I will never forgive Iland for what they did to Fuko, idc
I didn't even know fuku but this video made me love her, hoping that she debuts as soon as possible! I hope she doesn't give up in her dream 🙏
please look forward to her debut. it’s rumored that she’ll be in a new girl group along with other i-land 2 contestants!!
Additional member of izna
As I was watching this something clicked for me. I think that the producers (the ones making the show, not the judges) changed their minds about who they wanted in the group between part 1 and part 2. In part 1 it seemed like they were pushing Mai, Fuko and Jungeun hard (along with Jeemin, Saebi and Sarang) and were setting up Jiyoon as the villain along the lines of Chanmi (PD 101). But, to their surprise, Jiyoon got more popular after that villain story and I think that duet with Jungeun is what changed their minds about wanting her in the group. I also think that Jiyoon caught on to what they were doing and wasn't about to let it happen. Funny enough, this also reminds me of Chanmi because she didn't give the producers a single tiny bit to work with when she appeared on Mix Nine after failing to debut on PD101. She even supported keeping fan favorite Ryujin (who eventually debuted in Itzy) in a group despite knowing that only the member with the most votes would get an advantage. Of course it didn't work out for her again but at least she wasn't the villain. Luckily for Jiyoon, it worked out better for her (I think due to the fan support, tbh).
The producers also seemed to decide that they wanted Koko and, since Kpop companies (other than YG with Baemon) seem to be allergic to having more than 1/3 of a group be non-korean, it seems like they just stopped pushing either Mai or Fuko... probably hoping that only one of the two of them would make it. I think that, if all 3 had made it, that would have been a disaster in the producers' minds.They still seemed to go back and forth with Mai, sometimes giving her the underdog edit, but then she was basically non-existent in several episodes. On the other hand, they switched up and gave Jiyoon a redemption arc while trying to make Jungeun look bad. They still kept pushing Jeemin and Sarang but they kind of laid off on Saebi too. But, in the end, people voted for who they wanted and the editing of the entire show didn't affect the voting as much as usual. It seems like people are catching on, especially after Dayeon was literally shoved down our throats on GP 999 but still only managed to come in 4th place, lol. On this show it seems like Jeemin and Sarang were the two that they were really pushing but neither could beat Jungeun who they were trying to make into a villain.
The whole thing kind of reminds me of JYP's Sixteen. When you're watching it, you get the distinct feeling of who JYP wants and doesn't want in the group the entire time. And he seemed to REALLY want Minyoung as the main vocal for a good part of the show. However, Minyoung kept cracking under pressure while Jihyo (who he always seemed to want, but didn't originally seem to consider as the main vocal) proved that she could handle the main vocal spot. This allowed him to change course and add a member he didn't seem all that interested in in the beginning (Tzuyu). I-Land 2 gave me that same sort of feeling only, on that show, the producers didn't change their minds because the girls they were originally pushing failed to live up to expectations. It seems more like they were checking boxes in their own minds. They had Jeemin as the center, Sarang as the all-rounder, Jungeun and then Jiyoon as the main vocal and then Fuko (part 1)/Koko (part 2) as the Japanese member with 1 possible slot open for another Japanese member. They also had Sarang and Koko who could both be main rapper and main dancer so it was like there were 4 slots filled (Jiyoon, Jeemin, Sarang and Koko) and then they didn't care about the last 3 slots other than wanting at least 2 of them to go to Korean members.
My poor Fuko :(
I didn’t watch girls planet or I-land 2, thus I didn’t know fuko. But her story is making me cry right now 😭😭😭. How devastated she must have been.
I just finished project 7 and had Fuko flashbacks. I am glad now that she did not get with Izna and I hope she ends up in a group that fits her better like K and &Team.
i do not think your parasocial attachment to idols--to the point of crying over them in your day-to-day life-- is healthy. this is a very kind and empathetic video, though. remember that the idol industry wants you to form these one-sided attachments, and that you may be unknowingly reinforcing the industry you have problems with.
yeah, as a normie I was weirded out by how he was depressed by Fuko's elimination. I know it's sad and all, but bruh she doesn't even know him. But then I remember people crying about Ace's death in One Piece, so it might be just me not understanding how these kinda stuff affects people.
@@whiteRiceSupremacist yeah like i get disappointed when contestants i like get eliminated too but i can't fathom this amount of attachment to them at all
@@whiteRiceSupremacist yeah, it's more of an empathy thing, some people just tend to feel more attached, getting extremely depressed is definitely over the top, but crying and stuff like that is normal when you watch a person or a character for some time then get hit with the death of that character or when the person you were watching doesn't reach what they were working so hard for. A lot of people also just exaggerate, using expressions like "this got me depressed'' etc to express their disappointment
This is exactly what I thought 😅
Even after the Produce scandal, production company still lowkey rigged the competition by evil editing & biased screentime.
And also not reveal at the first place how many spots are there to debut. E.g Baby KARA. Everyone thought it would be 2 spots but in the end it was only 1.
I didn't know about Fuko bc after getting my heart broken with Produce48 and the later disbandment of IZ*ONE I distanced myself from them. But after watching this video, I recognize your feelings, bc I also had very similar ones towards some contestants in Produce48. I wish Fuko the best, even as a soloist she seems to be someone who can go very far
As someone that went through that twice with both IOI and Iz*One, I get what you mean. But I-Land 2, like the original I-Land, made a permanent group so it felt more comfortable for me to watch it.
Also, Fuko. Juwon and Yuju were my girls. I hope they all debut one day somewhere.
Nice video. This might sound obvious, but I feel like getting so emotionally invested in kpop survival shows and individual contestants is at the end of the day, your choice. Personally, I choose to stay positive and think that if a contestant that i like does not make it to the final and debut in whatever given group, he or she will debut later on in another group. It is been like this with Boys Planet (at least 5 groups came out of that), and I-land 1. If for whatever reason someone decides to give up and go to university, or open a business, then good for them as well. As long as they have support from their loved ones and their mental health is not affected, everything should be alright. And if for some reason their mental health was somehow affected, then I advise to stay away from that industry for good.
I would like to remind you another obvious fact. Not even debuting means having a successful, peaceful and happy career (produce 101, fantasy boys, I am sure there are more examples). We see contestants joining survival shows again and again after years of having had their debut.
These guys, regardless if they are in a group or not, are freelancers. And they have chosen and extremely tough career. It is what it is. They should know, their families should know and we should know. The only thing we can do is support them and stay hopeful. Supporting them for fair job conditions and contracts, for example. Turning them into victims, obsessing over them and/or having a toxic attachment to them will not help them and will certainly not make any good to your own mental health and wellbeing.
My point is, if Fuko really loves this job she will probably debut sooner or later, solo or in a group in S.Korea or in Japan. And, no offence, this video will be a great example of manipulative storytelling, following the school of MNETS survival shows manipulative narratives.
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honestly all of part 2 deserved to debut
i feel the same way about jay chang from boys planet and he basically had the same thing happen to him, being well liked on the show on the first half by getting lots of screen time and moments then to barely seeing him pop up in the screen, seeing him crying in the finale and being called as a candidate for the final member and then him not getting the final spot, it broke me, and i have a moot who was a fuko pick and went through what you did but it was worse for her cuz this was the third time something like this happened to her, first she one picked jay chang, then jiwoo from runext and now fuko but thankfully now jay chang has now debuted (3 times🤭) and most likely fuko is gonna be apart of the iland 2 group that’s gonna be under h1gher ent so i cant wait for her to debut
Normally they would show candidates but Boys Planet finale never did like that. I think it's because they were in short of time and rushed it to announce the final member straight up. He only got to know he was just one place away from the cut after the show.
i need a vid about the Girls On Fire Survival show because the group never debuted 😔
I'm actually so surprised makemate1 was even mentioned!! it's probably my favorite survival show, every contestant had the talent already, there was no obvious favoritism and with a perfect number of cast i was rooting for everyone and not only for my 1pick like I did in boysplanet!
10:03 Sixteen has 16 contestants and formed Twice!
3:22 no the addiction is real, ive watched airing and even past survival shows in the last few months (iland 2, gp999, bp, half of iland, just finished P7, starting UL, started UT, plan to watch Starlight Boys, Queendom Puzzle, once i can, and RUN if i can find it)
10:04 I-Land is the correct answer for a starting survival show, the amount of contestants is perfect, and it shows a general standard with the format and all
I participated in the I-land voting but I didn't watch the show until it was finished. Three participants that I voted for blindly were: Jeemin, Mai and Fuko. After watching the entire show, I was happy to know that they were exactly what I had imagined while voting. When I found out that Fuko and Jeemin had already participated in other survival shows, I rooted for them even more. I recognized their talents and saw them as complete idols. I was very happy that Jeemin made it, but I understood the general "revolt" that I saw in the comments on Instagram and Twitter at the time. Fuko has all the characteristics and talent to be an idol. She has evolved completely since Girls Planet and needed to debut. After Izna debuted in November, part of me was happy that she didn't debut in this group. She really is an all-arounder and deserves to be in a group that challenges her but also makes her comfortable. The concept Fuko's is diverse and I know she has great potential and definitely deserves something big, I still haven't accepted the producers' statements about her but I hope she gets something better than izna (ps: I love all the members, and this comment is 100% about Fuko)
I had ended up like you 6 years ago when Produce 48 took away Kaeun's last chance to re-debut despite that she really made it to the final lineup of Iz*one. The group did well but they always remind me that Mnet did dirty with the girls.
Also Chowon, Lightsum didn't make it. Both Kaeun and Chowon could have had better opportunities if weren't robbed by that rigged group.
Although I didn't follow PDX101, I keep thinking about the case of Lee Hangyul, who has already debuted in 3 groups and the only one that was successful, X1, simply ended after 5 months of activity, he even in Starlight Boys, which he would like to return to in 2019 because it was the happiest moment of his life. 😢
@ X1 boys are another victims of Produce series rigging. So many dreams were shattered because of it.
@oddterpsichore96 I can't count on my fingers how many dreams were destroyed on PD48 and PDX101, I only like the original songs from these programs
i felt goosebumps while watching you highlight Fuko's vocals!
Awesome video. I've never watched the survival shows as I only got into kpop a year ago. Though two of my favourite groups - Kep1er and ILLIT - happened to come from them! I was obviously aware of the concept of the survival show but didn't put much thought into it.
Fuko is so good. I can't hear/watch izna without her
I watched both runext and iland as they were airing and I must say that the finale of iland was so brutal I swore off survival shows for a minute. The only consolation I can give you is that my picks from RUNext (Chanelle and Jeemin) ended up debuting in groups only a month apart from each other around a year from when they eliminated from the show. I am hopeful 2025 brings us Fuko debuting.
The thing with these survival shows is that no one is ever "safe". Every debut group from these shows have an agenda of sorts. In the beginning, the agenda (for the show makers & producers & judges) is just to get to know everyone and see who they can work with. Once they eliminated enough people, then they need to start thinking about who's left and what kind of group they can make with these girls (and ultimately how to audiences to tilt their votes to those girls subtilty if they exist). Personally I think all survival shows are rigged in a sense that the showmakers might not know exactly who will make it, but I think they know who and what kind of people they don't want in their line-up.
This is why every single member of the cast in Netflix's Dream Academy that made Katseye are all memorable ! It was a small enough group for people to get attached to every single contestant. Like you have people on Tiktok talking about Narjeese, Mia, and Angelina despite not having ANY screentime as they were cut out.
It's so frustrating when (for internationally voting shows), the SoKo votes are worth 3-4 weight of the international.
I guess i was lucky... I watched Boys planet, rooted for Zhang Hao and he won the 1st place.
But i can understand how survival show can crush a heart, watching it for 3 months you get attached so much, you rooting for a contestants...
survival shows are so obviously rigged that it's sad for the ones that make it as well. a2k showed me that!
Im really sad bc people are ignoring Fuko and Gyuri both of them are good and everything and i was also like you how tf did 2 people make it to the group and they not
Thats why I stopped watching kpop survival shows. the amount of anxiety I get from these shows crushing all these contestants’ dreams is so unbearable.
JUSTICE FOR HONGSUNGMIN he was robbed
Awesome video man! I got my wife into Kpop and the survival side of how groups are basically made. My recommendation to people who are new to Kpop would be to watch the worst and best survival shows. To me the worst one has to be Mixnine because it pretty much wasted everyone's time and made no groups. It's a good educator in showing how much companies are actually out there aside from the famous ones and you get to see the talents that will eventually be in groups that are famous today. The best one to me is the one that made Stray Kids because it shows the level of freedom certain companies give and how self producing idols work. Maybe No Mercy for MonstaX or Idol Producer from China would work too, but JYP gave Bang Chan the freedom I have never seen in doing his thing and it paid off.
It's an awesome genre of music and people should explore how each company runs. SM is unique, YG is the ghetto, JYP is it's own color, and Hybe is basically Thanos' infinity glove. There is a company out there for everyone with a select sound in music. You like ballads then Antena Music is for you and if you like straight bars then AOMG or Higher Music if for you. Just explore peeps!
Um belo vídeo, uma pena os comentários serem só fãs de kpop com o cérebro derretido pela desumanização dos idol discutindo sobre a Fuko merecer ou não estar no grupo enquanto o vídeo simplesmente não é sobre isso, mas imagino que tentar olhar esses idols/trainees como seres humanos com sonhos, vontades e desejos que podem não se realizar como acontece com qualquer um de nós (que é o ponto do vídeo) é pedir demais de vocês.
I need Fuko and Gyuri in Universe Ticket 😭they would dominate
There'll be another season of that?
@ yep, the Universe Survival shows will keep going if Universe League won’t flop
I didn’t watch iland2 but watching fuko’s performance of girls generation after hearing you talk about her broke my heart and I cried because you could feel how genuine? That performance was from her. I can never watch a survival show again but I hope she debuts one day and finds the fame and success she deserves shame, we are the same age and wow that poor girl she is awesome!
There were SO MANY in I-Land 2 who deserves to debut
Okay but what a sweet love letter to Fuko this video is. She was my top pick from the first week, I voted every day for her.
I was so sure she would make the final group I knew I didn’t want to pick a top girl I wasn’t sure of after getting burned so badly from R U Next?
I love Izna and every girl that debuted deserved too but so did Fuko.
everyone was so sure that fuko was gonna make it… let’s look forward to her debut that’s (hopefully!) coming in 2025
As additional izna member
RUNEXT was horrible!
@@urieommarang but Time Turner is more horrible than that.
When I read "survival shows", I was thinking about a version of Survivor featuring K-Pop artists.
Hahahaha! Imagine all this happening for a girl that should’ve been in ioi and/or izone. And knowing the latter was a result of vote manipulation for someone whose solo career didn’t even try to get off the ground. It sucks! But that’s life. 😅
I don't watch kpop survival shows the first ever kpop survival show I've watched is BOYS PLANET and let me tell you I was so invested like emotionally mentally I was CERTAIN my faves would make it but in the end they didn't like wdym JAY CHANG DIDN'T MAKE IT??? AND AND KIETA??? well I mean they're all doing great now and absolutely no hate to the other boys but I remember feeling so angry and betrayed at that time 💀💀well I'm fine now BUT NEVER NEVER AGAIN AM I WATCHING SURVIVAL SHOWS BRO I'M TRAUMATIZED.
this was me with lee sunwoo in universe ticket and fong atilla in project 7 😢
i can't even fathom how fuko felt failing to debut while being watched by kep1er... i wish she and yuju made it in :( hopefully she still gets to pursue her dream, if not i wish her nothing but happiness
I liked Fuko but honestly I'm glad she didn't place. She's beautiful and talented but I didn't think she could pull off any concept other than cute. She did well with "Bad Boy" mostly because everyone else was weaker. She wouldn't stand out out in the final lineup simply because the others are either better singers, dancers, and performers. Fuko is great.... but not for Izna. She would be great for a group like Twice 🥰
100% agreed. And Bad Boy does fit her image. Elegant and classy. And yeah, she only stood out mostly because everyone else was weaker. In ITNW, she got overshadowed if not for her high note towards the end.
I disagree
@@elh7149 I'm not the person you replied to, but if you disagree then you should probably state why.
Totally agreed
@Cataclysmicrose I think a lot of people don't know how to be unbiased when it comes to these things. For example, I love EXO! They will always be #1 but I def know there are a couple of members with some weak skills. I still love them but it's a fact.
For me after watching RU Next, with the they way that show was run I couldn't watch any more survival show ever again. The only shows I have watched was Boys Planet and RU Next. I can't watch one ever again and with what they did to Fuko in the worst way possible.
I appreciate the effort you put into this video. It felt like a love letter from a far away admirer that you decided to share with the world because you couldn't do it directly. Well done!
I remember watching the final episode a day or so after it aired. I didn't check social media before watching. I had a general idea as to who would for sure be in (Jungeun, Jeemin, Koko, Jiyoon) and knew the last two spots would be tough because I had come to really like the final group of candidates. They all had their charms and I had grown attached to each one for various reasons. I knew they all couldn't make it and I accepted that.
The lineup that made the most sense to me was the aforementioned four, plus Mai or Fuko with Saebi. When Sarang was called for the fifth spot, I was surprised but understood. She stepped up when she was challenged with rapping and brought a certain look and personality that I'm sure was very appealing. I agree that the editing towards the end likely helped her a substantial amount, but she absolutely still deserves her spot.
When it came down to the sixth spot, I thought it would be Saebi. Even with my one pick being Mai, I felt like Saebi's natural charisma was undeniable. I think Fuko felt the same. If Saebi was called for the sixth spot instead of Mai, Fuko probably wouldn't have looked so defeated for the seventh pick.
I was holding it together pretty well since I generally watch this kind of content trying to figure out who wins rather than painfully hoping my pick makes it. That was until Saebi was giving her speech and turned to acknowledge Fuko to say she wanted to debut with her. Holy crap that part broke me. I had no idea I was this emotionally invested.
I'm still hopeful Fuko debuts one day. She exemplifies what I want to see in a role model. She's talented, kind, helpful and honest. Your thumbnail says "I will never forgive them", but I'll choose to go with "I will never forget her". 😊
I want fuko solo debut
I was disappointed that Fuko did not debut with Izna. I honestly think that if she had been able to perform the part that she was originally given for the final challenge, the judges would have picked her to debut. You cannot control who fans vote for but, I think the judges were trying to see how diverse she was and she could not do it and had to change her part.
As someone who’s dedicated a lot to this dream too, it was really nice to hear your thoughts ❤
yeah you don’t have to tell me 😭 I just know I’ll become attached
The biggest post produce rigging was in GP999 when they made a field day to Dayeons parents 😂
I felt your emotions bro truly
fuko will definitely debut sometime soon
did guys forget that fuko ranked 9th out the 10 finalists so if you guys tried mass voting for her and getting people to help to vote then prehaps she could've mde into the lineup. It was not only the producer's and mnet's role that played a part but also yours.
fuko in the thumbnail… i will always wait for her
Great video! Just finished project 7 and starlight boys .. omg I can’t believe who they chose on both shows in the end .. so many on starlight boys got FUKOED .. some got picked for so called “looks” but could not sing or barely dance…
Back to your video .. I absolutely loved FUKO from day 1.. I also liked Mai.. in the end I never thought FUKO wouldn’t debut.. she was on everyone’s picks list.. I was heartbroken for her esp when they showed her mom… I was ok with everyone else except that bang big foreheaded bioch and the one you showed that had no facial expressions I hated her because she was a “mean girl “ her personality was the worst. And lastly I hate that one with the bangs .. she was cold and has no expression in her eyes (they never change) she might have been able to sing and dance but she was annoying AF. (.I didn’t mention those bioches names due to not liking them not because I don’t know their names)…Great videos, keep making them. You’re funny as well😂
I still cry about Fuko not getting picked...
Why do you blur the idols on the fqncams?
i swear im not coping but the concept of izna doesnt suit her at all.
In general, shows with less contestants are better to connect to the contestants as most people can be highlighted at some point, however, it hurts more if the girls did not make it. In the lineup of Izna are some girls, which I personally would have exchanged and yes a group needs balance and fit a certain picture but all of the girl from the show could have sung 'Izna' as song. I think this phenomenon was even more extreme in RUNext, my top pick did make it and then left the group even before debut and I get it. The concept is really not hers. The girls who made it, fit it perfectly, but almost non of them were my picks.
The evil editing in these shows is insane, one wrong line and your dreams can be crushed.
For groups like Classy, the survival show was really stupid and had a dumb conepts. In the end, it didn't matter what class the trainees came from. But I guess everyone who did not make it, is happy since the group is not promoted. All this drama for what?
GP999 was also so rigged, i think they really improved with BP999 and they already announced another one. Also here for what?
Anyway, I will never understand how people vote visuals, nepos etc. over people burning with passion and talent, especially then hating on the bad live performances of the final lineup, like no sh*t sherlock.
I don't know if you are familiar with Karlee from dream academy, she made an amazing youtube video about the live after loosing the chance of reaching your dream and getting back up
I experience sonder often. Interesting to have a word for it.
I have stopped watching Korean idol survival shows because they clearly aren’t transparent.
If anyones looking for something messy to watch go watch mixnine, every loona contestant pretended to be bad or to fight to get higher screen time and its hilarious
Great video.
I may add the popularity / marketing / star power appeal is also part of the candidate skill set.
I see it as the sum of personality / showmanship in and out of music performance on video content. As with funny and quirk type.
Visual appeal.
Story / relatibility with the fans, but more specific then just superation, as sharing hobbies, telling about their simbiling dinamics.
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Takuma from Ma1, so talented in every skill, was my Fuko. Too bad that non korean quota is a thing.
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I recommend this shows:
& the howling that formed hybe's &team.
They had 4 from out the gate producers garanty pick members. Ex i land contestants. From a pool of 15 traines.
So its kinda more honest then just screentime and storyline pushing candidates. So kinda similar to an actual casting process.
But the same problem as other hybes survivals that the vocal coaching is not enought.
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Jyp niziu 2 and a2k (90% in spoken eng) also did a great job showcasing every member, smaller pools. Both officially on yt with eng subtitles.
Miraku from ma1 was there.
Its a pitty how vcha girls were treated after debut.
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Girls on fire
for a vocal gg mostly adults competition.
Unfortunally they wont debut. But the show has way better vocal performances then the contemporary i land 2.
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Currently airing : universe league.
has game rules for teams competing, so team balance is a major factor then just how the audience votes in their favs. Has a bench and starring team dinamics that is similar to ground / i land game system too.
And its well paced too ! not hours and hours milking a excel sheet of rankings .
STOP WHY AM I CRYING
Great vid. I feel your pain...
Ah! The Enhyphen shoe
5:43 modu uri cheodabwaa 😭😭
you made me cry :(
It’s pronounced “ en-hy-pen”
I hate survival shows honestly
we'll wait for you fuko