Thanks for the great history lesson, Brodie, as I learned some new things! I have been a die-hard A’s fan since I was 9 years old after going to my first A’s game at the Coliseum in May 1971. I have been fascinated by the history of the A’s since I was a kid, after seeing Lefty Grove throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the Coliseum during the 1972 World Series. Two other players that emerged from the Kansas City A’s, who I consider key to the A’s success in Oakland, were Rick Monday and Dave Duncan, even though both were traded the players they got were also keys to the A’s success, Monday for Ken Holtzman after the ’71 season and Duncan for Ray Fosse after the ’72 season. Even though I have been living in Anchorage, Alaska since 1978, I still listen to the A’s radio broadcast on MLB audio, just like when I loyally listened to Monte Moore when I was a kid. I will be heartbroken to see the A’s leave Oakland and I am still hoping for a miracle, like in 1978 when the A’s moving to Denver was almost a done deal with Marvin Davis buying the team.
I appreciate the research. Just you mentioning that the royals and chiefs play in the Truman sports complex. Had my hats of to you. I’m from Kansas City and really proud of my city
@@christopherking9338 yes great bbq. Arrowhead don’t have much, but we got all the beautiful color red, amazing history, a true classic. An oh… 3 championships🤣 see you at the arrowhead invitational. Much love brother
@@christopherking9338 Sucks??? What hallucinating drug are you on? Many people who are not personally fans of the Chiefs across America, have stated all over social media, that want to see a game at Arrowhead to experience it's one pf a kind atmosphere that they see on TV.
I became a fan of the KC Athletics in 1967 - and the team moved to Oakland in 1968. This is a good video but there are multiple sides of the story with moving from Kansas City to Oakland. Many do not realize this but the foundation for the A's championships from 1972-74 began in Kansas City. The team developed and flourished in Oakland. The local media has never helped the A's franchise and many individuals who follow MLB need to recognize how Charles O. Finley created the team that won championships.
Actually the A's did have their own ballpark. In Philadelphia. Shibe Park (later known as Connie Mack Stadium) was built by the A's owners. Pictures of it show that it was a beautiful place. Eventually they shared it with the Phillies, but it was owned by the A's.
The Rochester/Cincinnati Royals actually changed their name to the Kings because of the existence of the KC Royals baseball team when they moved to Kansas City.
Thanks for the great podcast. I'm an A's fan living here in Milwaukee. I very saddened by this move. You were right about the Sacramento Kings having four homes. They started as the Rochester Royals, moved to Cincinnati in about 1957, moved to Kansas City/Omaha in about 1972, and changed name to Kings, and then just Kansas City in about 1975. They moved on to Sacramento in about 1985. They almost moved again to Anaheim. That would have been their fifth home. I REALLY hope something happens, and they stay in Oakland.
I absolutely LOVED this video Brodie, thanks for doing all the work and research on this, so interesting! I'm amazed at the up and down history the A's have had over their 120+ year history! :D
More attention should be drawn to the way Charlie Finley ran the A's straight into the ground. It's not only a somewhat entertaining story - particularly the side plot where he shopped the A's, both before and after moving them to Oakland, around to Louisville, Denver, New Orleans and other cities, only to have them all say, "Yeah, we'll gladly take the A's, provided *you* aren't part of the package."
I see someone else pointed out that the Sacramento Kings evolved from the Kansas City/Omaha Kings, Kansas City Kings, Cincinnati Royals, and the Rochester Royals/Seagrams...I think that franchise should keep the American Tourister Award...I became a fan of the Oakland A's because of the Irascible Charlie Finley. In fact, Oakland has, in true Hell's Angels tradition, been a major pain in the side of at least two of the Big Four major league sports - with BOTH Charlie Finley AND Al Davis constantly flipping their respective leagues the proverbial bird. Before and after court battles. Charlie O was responsible for the A's attitude during the halcyon years; everything from the outrageous (for the time) facial hair, including Rollie Fingers' handlebar, barbershop quartet production to the white cleats and flashy uniforms (for the time) that were a huge middle finger to baseball - in particular to the New York Yankers - highly visible on national television...That alone would forever endear the A's franchise to me, but sad to say this John Fishwrap character is the polar opposite of Finley - a two-bit jerk who was born on third base and thinks he hit a grand slam. I don't see progress being made on the stability of this storied franchise until Fishwrap is separated from it completely, and his bestie Manfred also gets the heave-ho. Neither will admit to a mistake, much less malfeasance, so they will continue to double down on this fustercluck until it's all a pile of ashes...
The 1969 MLB expansion only happened because the Missouri Senator threatened MLBs antitrust exemption. That's also why the Pilots lasted only one season. No one was ready
Charlie Finley was one of the greatest innovators in the history of modern sports; post-season night baseball, the Designated Hitter, his idea for a Designated Runner to speed up the game, and memorable promotions like Peter Cottontail the mechanical rabbit ball boy, Charlie O the live mule mascot, and the kelly green and fort knox gold uniforms that make the A's stand out to this day. Finley also built one of the great modern day baseball dynasties, 72, 73 74 World Champions, and 71, 72,73,74, 75 western division champions. His run was ended after he lost virtually all his top players in the first free agent draft in 1976. As a young fan following from across the country, I watched riveted as he used every trick in the book to rebuild the team,. I remember in the months after that first free agent draft, he traded his Manager, Chuck Tanner, to Pittsburgh for $100,000 and catcher Manny Sanguillen - to this day, I have never heard of anyone trading a manager. Finley was able to rebuild the team to the point where the A's won a division championship in the shortened season a few years after he sold the team, hiring manager Billy Martin prior to selling the team. He did the rebuild on a shoestring, with nothing but determination and his innovative flair. Finley saw the writing on the wall and understood that undercapitalized teams would have a hard time succeeding in the free agent era. I recall he tried to sell the team to Denver oilman Marvin Davis, who was going to move the team to that city. Oakland got a reprieve when the sale fell through.
One historical fact I would have mentioned was in 1980 Charlie Finley was on the verge of selling to someone that was going to move the team to Denver. That deal fell through and Charlie Finley sold the A's to Walter Haas. Here's to history repeating itself and John Fisher being forced to sell the A's!
As an Expos fan of the past, I can sympathize with A's fans. If the A's do in fact move to Las Vegas, I suspect Montreal and Oakland will be the only two former MLB cities that won't be awarded a new team anytime in the foreseeable future, if ever.
So we’ve had: Philadelphia Athletics Kansas City Athletics Dallas Athletics* Atlanta Athletics* Louisville Athletics* Denver Athletics* San Diego Athletics* Oakland Athletics San Jose Athletics* Las Vegas Athletics** *-was attempted at some point **-may be happening So many alternate timelines, I had no idea. Makes me wonder had the St. Louis Browns moving to Los Angeles for the 1942 season would the A’s have relocated to the West Coast from KC sooner, or if they would’ve gone to KC in the first place.
You forgot an important aspect of the Athletics move to KC: it shouldn't have happened. There was a deal in place, agreed to, and signed, that would've kept them in Philly. However Johnson convinced one of Connie Mack's sons to vote against the deal in exchange for a job for he and his son when the team moved to KC.
Charlie O., after three consecutive World Series championship, had lost most of his star players through free agency, and Athletics in the late 1970s were dead in last place, and in attendance. In 1980, he attempted to sell tge team to a businessman whose intention was to move the team to Denver.
The sad thing man, Oakland let their teams go. Can't tell other city who has lost their 3 major teams.. devastating. And we will not see another pro sports team in Oakland. Should've took care of them
@@andred3299 Minnesota Stars existed from 1967 to 1993. The Cleveland Barons lasted only 3 seasons 1976 to 1979. So the Cleveland Barons didn't go to Minnesota !
That's where I'm really upset with Manfred. There were transient teams before Sac Kings, NJ Devils (KC then Col) that needed some moves before they found their "forever home". Some differences in this case: 1) Again, the A's are playing in their 56th season in Oakland. No team that started after the 1800's has played in a market that long only to leave the market. Unlike 60 years ago, we have teams from coast to coast already. When the Kings were threatening to move from Sac 10 years ago, you could make a better argument they were still transient as they were in Sac only about 25-30 years. Yet, Stern fought for them to stay. I'm sure Silver would jump at the chance to bring NBA back to Seattle when presented with the opportunity. The A's forever home should be the Bay Area. Some people see the commissioner as the keeper of the game, yet Selig and Manfred haven't lifted a finger to try to keep the A's in the Bay Area. Manfred is just nonchalant about the A's moving as if they've been in Oakland less than 10 years, didn't really win, and it was just a short stop for them. 2) In this day and age, we have the internet and social media. We have great media people like Brodie and Casey Pratt, and others who can call out the BS and give us the real information in real time instead of the powers that be pulling the wool over our eyes. We can see right through Fisher, Kaval, and Manfred. Thank you for that.
I have no dog in this fight, but I can see that MLB covets Las Vegas and doesn't think highly of Oakland. Not to mention that Oakland A's fans seem to have a blindspot towards the actions of Oakland and California officials' incompetence. I have been following this from the beginning, and Oakland has been stuck on slow and/or stop for some time. The A's are not a priority of this or the previous Oakland Administration. Hell, even the hotdog economist gets it. Someone needs to tell Casey Pratt.
The Braves weren’t in Milwaukee very long either 1953-1965. But the big difference between the Braves time in Milwaukee and the A’s time in Kansas City is that the Braves actually had success in Milwaukee as they won the 1957 World Series and were in the World Series in 1958.
The Raiders have moved three times-Oakland to L.A., back to Oakland, and finally to Vegas. The Rams have moved four times-Cleveland to L.A., to St. Louis, and back to L.A.
Thanks for the correction. The Rams are another team that has moved at least 3 times. They started in Cleveland and moved to LA to St. Louis and back to LA. I'm not counting the stadium move from the LA Coliseum to Anaheim. The A's won't even be the first team in Oakland to have moved three times. The Raiders started in Oakland moved to LA then moved back to Oakland and are now in Las Vegas.
Interesting review of the history. The A's may very well have had their own stadium in Philadelphia. But Shibe park was old, and Connie Mack was a much earlier, much different owner in Philadelphia. Teams were often their own financial entity, where today no one owns a team that doesn't have big financial interests elsewhere. I saw in the comments and it's correct the Rochester/Cincinnati Royals became the Kansas City Kings (and for some fun, for a couple years were the Kansas City/Omaha Kings). Then moved to Sacramento. I also think that's 4x moves. Also, KC actually had a very short lived National League Franchise called the Cowboys, and also had a short lived NFL franchise, that went by both the name Blues and Cowboys. Another very interesting piece regarding the history of the move is that when the A's were finally allowed to move, Stuart Symington, Senator from Missouri pitched a major fit, and threatened all of MLB with the removal of the anti-trust exemption. This scared all of the owners, so they agreed to expand and provide Kansas City an expansion team in 1971. But Symington didn't want to wait that long, and it got pushed up to 1969. They came into the AL with the Seattle Pilots, that only lasted one year, and then promptly moved to Milwaukee as the Brewers. The NL brought in the Astros (started as Colt .45's) and the Montreal Expos (now Nationals). The A's in Kansas City was one of the biggest jokes. Arnold Johnson made them just a minor league team for the Yankee's since he had financial ties to the Yankee's owners. And Charlie Finley, who had some great ideas, also proved quickly he was not a good owner for baseball. And it's fascinating that while he had some great teams in Oakland, he also had some of the absolute worst teams in baseball, and embarrassing attendance levels in Oakland as well. And as a kid growing up in Kansas City, we were basically taught to hate the A's because of all of this history, and how KC was cheated by the A's & Finley. And then having the Chiefs biggest rival, the Raider's, also being in Oakland left KC very jaded over the A's. But KC got their team and while far from a perfect ride, we've had much better ownership. Interestingly the A's 70's dynasty was taken over by the Royals in the later 70's, but that didn't end in a World Series title. And many of those ALCS against the Yank's had former A's players. So that kid that grew up hating the A's because of their shafting my hometown just smiles a little as I watch the latest moving fiasco.
Shibe Park was most definitely specifically built for Mr. Mack and Mr. Shibe's Athletics. Other sports did not use it until much later, and that was more or less as an afterthought. KC Muni was built for baseball, but the Chiefs would later use it once the AFL started in 1960.
Also, there was a slight little thing that happened after Finley announced the move: Sen. Stuart Symington of Missouri threatened to pass legislation removing MLB's anti-trust exemption if KC didn't get a team. The AL wasn't planning on expanding until 1970-71, but because of the threat, they placated KC with the Royals - and forced Seattle to field a team three years before they had a decent ballpark. (That did NOT end well. Just ask Bud Selig.)
One thing you didn’t mention is the fact the Seattle Pilots (Milwaukee) and Kc Royals weren’t supposed to expand into the league until 1971. The plan was to add 2 NL teams San Diego and Montreal (Washington) …. The Missouri politicians were pissed and went to bat to push up the expansion. This had devastating effects for Seattle bc their city wasn’t ready for them and the team moved after one season. Also with 4 teams in one expansion draft …. It set back each team…. Two of them still have yet to win a World Series…
History is definitely repeating itself that the A's are making trades that don't make sense to contending teams essentially for nothing. Now the Braves have took advantage of them like the Yankees did in the past. The braves with Murphy most.
If Vegas fell through, what's the plan? The A's would have to get out of the coliseum and let's be honest, the coliseum is at the end. You have to get new owners, a land deal, a stadium deal with private money. In the interim, your best bet is striking a deal with sacramento and Fresno and maybe a college team in the region, to balance out your home schedule. Also, they have the big Union deal and union's run the state legislature in Nevada. I used to live there and started my news and broadcasting career there. They can raise the 500 Million. Again the warning sign's go back to 1995 when the renovations were horrible.
Sad, the A's spent all the years in Oakland and never got a new stadium. Even Philly managed to build Shibe Park, the only stadium the team ever got built specifically for them.
The Athletics never should have left Philly! I was robbed of cross town rivalry . I’ve said for years they should move back (realignment?) Phila could definitely support 2 franchises.
Yes, perhaps all the distraction of talk of of moving in 1967 helped the A's to only win 62 games the last year, because the team was much better. The first year in Oakland they won 82 games, a winning record for the first time ever and with the same team as in 1967. KC was so close to all of that championship winning!!!
As someone who lives in Seattle, the domed stadium proposal that failed in KC also was tried here to keep the Pilots from moving following the 1969 season. It was passed but not before the Pilots moved to Milwaukee & became the Brewers for the 1970 season. That domed stadium became the Kingdome & became home not only to the Mariners but also the Seahawks, the first version of the Sounders & even for 7 years in the late 70's & early 80's home of the Sonics.
The domed stadium was approved by Seattle voters in 1968. The Pilots weren't supposed to start until 1971 and it was expected that Sick's Stadium could be expanded and make do until the domed stadium was ready (similar to what happened in Milwaukee for the Braves and KC for the A's). But the A's flight from KC moved the expansion up, the Seattle ownership wasn't ready and the Pilots fled to Milwaukee.
The Sacramento Royals were the Cincinnati Royals then became the Kansas City-Omaha Kings (to not be confused with Kansas City Royals baseball team) dropped Omaha then became the Sacramento Kings.
Hell Yeah The A's Athletics... History is Repeating Itself...."They've Screwed A Whole Lot Of Towns"....They Treated KCMO so terrible.. That's how we got the Kansas City Royals...Charles Findley Couldn't walk down a Kansas City Street! "Wouldn't sign a 3 year lease!!..💯👀✔️🎯
I really feel that MiLB should experiment with yellow balls with red stitching. Players had problems seeing the stitching with red stitching on orange balls. This would make the game more friendly for fans and television cameras.
Why not move to Aukland? The Aukland As? Sounds good. New Zealand is about as far west as you can go, I believe, without beginning to go east. Long plane trips are fun too.
Oh, the A's would *not* be the first major pro sports franchise to move three times. The Atlanta Hawks' history is positively nomadic, even by comparison.
The Kings started out in Rochester, then Cincinnati, then KansasCity/Omaha, now Sacramento. They've got the A's beat! (Also, both the Rams and the Raiders have moved three times, albeit they each moved "back" to a former city.)
As for the Hawks: Tri-Cities (aka what we'd call the Quad Cities today), Milwaukee, St. Louis, and then Atlanta. So they're right up there with the Rochester-Cincinnati Royals/Kansas City-Omaha-Sacramento Kings.
@@josephhouk6703 I believe lv where they were from was on their radar too before lv got new arena there. Then nhl vgk moved into lv. Thats why they decided on anaheim to be closer to lv.
Another fact in A's move to KC. Yankee owners Dan Topping and Del Webb had business relationship with Arnold Johnson and championed Johnson with with othet AL owners to purchase A's. Topping and Webb were the most influential among AL owners at the time. So, Johnson buys team relocates to KC and A's become, in actuality, farm team of Yankees. A lot of questionable
Haha meanwhile Kansas City just a few years later built a baseball only stadium for the new Royals and a football only stadium for the Chiefs. So the guy who listed not wanting to share stadiums moved his team and shared a junk stadium for 50 years. Had he stayed in KC he'd have a brand new baseball only stadium and one of the only baseball only stadiums built between the late 1960s and 1990s. He clearly just hated that city he wasn’t staying no matter what! A KC girl must have dumped him haha
Hi I enjoyed the video But there's a part there that you forgot to mention that Kansas city did to the A.'s They doubled the rent Before the 1968 And that was before They promise not Not to raise his rent And I was the And I was the final straw I got this information From Charlie's daughter from her book Bought her dad
What are the chances that Rob Manford realizes what Fisher is doing? If I were Manford, I would tell him this: "Mr. Fisher, you are purposely deceiving us with this Las Vegas deal. You need to put a team together with some veterans the fans can recognize who can help the younger players. If the team finishes in last place with this current roster, it' s your fault. I will then deny your request for relocation and you will have to stay in Oakland. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you sell the team before 2024, if not sooner." I may not be an As fan, but I care about the team staying in Oakland.
@@tvpmark There's no "maybe" the Manfred and the other owners wants the MLB to have a presence in Vegas. They don't give a single shit if the A's are competitive all they care about it access to a new market. If need be they can always force Fisher to sell AFTER the team is relocated. If your hoping the men counting stacks are going to come and force a team to stay in Oakland "for the fans" your dreaming.
@@tvpmark Rob Manfred is nothing but a liar himself, from the Astros scandal to moving the All-Star game on a lie to the A 's moving, and is actively destroying the game. You're dreaming if you think he's going to do anything about this.
Rams cleveland to la to st.l back to la. Raiders oakland to la back to oakland to lv. Charlie finley ruined an a's dynasty that could have won four more w s titles by the end of the '70's. Should have been a's vs. big red machine/dodgers instead of yanks who stole reggie, catfish from cheap ass finley. And a's nearly left for denver in '77 when oilman marvin davis wanted to buy a's. N O was also a possible re-location site to play out of the superdome then too. and roch/cincyroyals/kcomaha/sacto kings nearly moved to a fifth site anaheim to be royals again before nba nixed the maloof bros plan leading to sale of kings and new arena in sacto. A's in a two year span'75-'77 went from five time a l west champs to 95 loss cellar of west as team that replaced a's in kc royals became the dominant west team for 10 years. And a''s attendance dropped to bottom of a l too. Even worse than indians in the spacious masoleum in those days.
In 1979 when they went 54-108 the A's somehow enticed 280,000 fans through the turnstiles... Modern-day fans just can't comprehend such a paltry attendance figure...
@@bombasticanimal1853 yep. A's may beat that this year. That's when a's brought in billy martin using some billy ball to entice fans back to a's games as he wore the shit out of his pitching staff. Got a's to post season in '81 strike season. Last one until larussa bash bros days.
@@WestPac-ny9vi true but he was traded because with free agency out there finley knew he would lose reggie as a f a and yanks would outspend everyone to get reggie. a's traded him to get some return.
Dont see Oakland getting another pro sports team if the A's leave. This wont go down like the KC Athletics saga where KC got a new franchise. Oakland mayor gotta know better after losing the Raiders then Warriors across the bay and get the A's deal done but chose to drag her feet.
There’s a slight push for a potential soccer team, given the fact that a soccer specific stadium has already been proposed. However that’s about it!! The soccer team already exists, it’s the Oakland Roots. If they manage to get their stadium built, that’ll be all that Oakland will have as far as sports.
No, you got the Oakland Raiders, to Los Angeles Raiders, to Oakland Raiders again, and now the Las Vegas Raiders, you also have the Los Angeles Rams, the St. Louis Rams, and now the Los Angeles Rams, you also have the Chicago Cardinals, the St. Louis Cardinals, and the Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, that's 3 NFL franchises that gave moved 3 times. So the A's are not going to be the first major professional sports team to relocate three times, and I haven't even looked at the NBA or NHL. First professional pro baseball team to move three times in franchise history yes, but not the first pro team to do so.
nba-buff braves to sd clippers to la clippers. nhl-kc scouts to col rockies to nj devils. Also whalers started off in boston then n e whalers/hartford whalers after move to conn. and then car. canes.
d c lost sens to minny then gained new sens and lost them to texas as rangers. And same stadium city but la, cali, anaheim, angels of la, la angels. mlb braves-boston, milw, atlanta. nba-braves buffalo, sd clippers, la. nfl-braves boston wash redskins d c commanders. mlb-st.l cards. nfl cards chicago st. l phx/az. Only once in nhl-kc denver nj-has a team has three different cities. But could happen again soon if az. yote arena vote goes down may 16. Would be winn jets-phx/(glendale/tempe)/az yotes-houston? qc/ kc?
I was just reading the Wikipedia page for the Coliseum earlier today and I had to laugh. Where have we heard this story before?! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Coliseum
Need to correct a mistake! A’s would be MLB’s first team to move 3x. Sacramento kings have moved 4x.
Royals-Kings franchise was Rochester, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Kansas City-Omaha, Sacramento.
Nah. /
Rams moved from Cleveland to L.A. to St. Louis to L.A.
In the NFL the Raiders have moved 3x's Oakland,LA, Oakland, LV
Right he must've forgot the Raiders and Rams.
Thanks for the great history lesson, Brodie, as I learned some new things! I have been a die-hard A’s fan since I was 9 years old after going to my first A’s game at the Coliseum in May 1971. I have been fascinated by the history of the A’s since I was a kid, after seeing Lefty Grove throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the Coliseum during the 1972 World Series. Two other players that emerged from the Kansas City A’s, who I consider key to the A’s success in Oakland, were Rick Monday and Dave Duncan, even though both were traded the players they got were also keys to the A’s success, Monday for Ken Holtzman after the ’71 season and Duncan for Ray Fosse after the ’72 season. Even though I have been living in Anchorage, Alaska since 1978, I still listen to the A’s radio broadcast on MLB audio, just like when I loyally listened to Monte Moore when I was a kid. I will be heartbroken to see the A’s leave Oakland and I am still hoping for a miracle, like in 1978 when the A’s moving to Denver was almost a done deal with Marvin Davis buying the team.
5:41 The irony is the Yankees won the 1977 & 1978 World Series with players from the A’s dynasty, Reggie Jackson and Catfish Hunter
The Raiders moved 3 times... once to LA, then once back to Oakland, then to Las Vegas
The Rams moved from Cleveland to La to STL to LA
The Braves also moved twice Milwaukee until 1966, then Atlanta. Boston, Milwaukee, Atlanta two moves.
the Braves won a World Series In every city they played in Atlanta was the first they won 2 in
I appreciate the research. Just you mentioning that the royals and chiefs play in the Truman sports complex. Had my hats of to you. I’m from Kansas City and really proud of my city
Great BBQ!!! But Narrowhead Sucks!!!
@@christopherking9338 yes great bbq. Arrowhead don’t have much, but we got all the beautiful color red, amazing history, a true classic. An oh… 3 championships🤣 see you at the arrowhead invitational.
Much love brother
@@christopherking9338 Sucks??? What hallucinating drug are you on? Many people who are not personally fans of the Chiefs across America, have stated all over social media, that want to see a game at Arrowhead to experience it's one pf a kind atmosphere that they see on TV.
I became a fan of the KC Athletics in 1967 - and the team moved to Oakland in 1968. This is a good video but there are multiple sides of the story with moving from Kansas City to Oakland. Many do not realize this but the foundation for the A's championships from 1972-74 began in Kansas City. The team developed and flourished in Oakland. The local media has never helped the A's franchise and many individuals who follow MLB need to recognize how Charles O. Finley created the team that won championships.
Actually the A's did have their own ballpark. In Philadelphia. Shibe Park (later known as Connie Mack Stadium) was built by the A's owners. Pictures of it show that it was a beautiful place. Eventually they shared it with the Phillies, but it was owned by the A's.
also the Athletics won 5 World Series in Philadelphia while the Phillies won won 2 World Series to date in Philadelphia 🤔
The Rochester/Cincinnati Royals actually changed their name to the Kings because of the existence of the KC Royals baseball team when they moved to Kansas City.
Thanks for correcting that. Good job.
Thanks for the great podcast. I'm an A's fan living here in Milwaukee. I very saddened by this move. You were right about the Sacramento Kings having four homes. They started as the Rochester Royals, moved to Cincinnati in about 1957, moved to Kansas City/Omaha in about 1972, and changed name to Kings, and then just Kansas City in about 1975. They moved on to Sacramento in about 1985. They almost moved again to Anaheim. That would have been their fifth home. I REALLY hope something happens, and they stay in Oakland.
I absolutely LOVED this video Brodie, thanks for doing all the work and research on this, so interesting! I'm amazed at the up and down history the A's have had over their 120+ year history! :D
More attention should be drawn to the way Charlie Finley ran the A's straight into the ground. It's not only a somewhat entertaining story - particularly the side plot where he shopped the A's, both before and after moving them to Oakland, around to Louisville, Denver, New Orleans and other cities, only to have them all say, "Yeah, we'll gladly take the A's, provided *you* aren't part of the package."
I see someone else pointed out that the Sacramento Kings evolved from the Kansas City/Omaha Kings, Kansas City Kings, Cincinnati Royals, and the Rochester Royals/Seagrams...I think that franchise should keep the American Tourister Award...I became a fan of the Oakland A's because of the Irascible Charlie Finley. In fact, Oakland has, in true Hell's Angels tradition, been a major pain in the side of at least two of the Big Four major league sports - with BOTH Charlie Finley AND Al Davis constantly flipping their respective leagues the proverbial bird. Before and after court battles. Charlie O was responsible for the A's attitude during the halcyon years; everything from the outrageous (for the time) facial hair, including Rollie Fingers' handlebar, barbershop quartet production to the white cleats and flashy uniforms (for the time) that were a huge middle finger to baseball - in particular to the New York Yankers - highly visible on national television...That alone would forever endear the A's franchise to me, but sad to say this John Fishwrap character is the polar opposite of Finley - a two-bit jerk who was born on third base and thinks he hit a grand slam. I don't see progress being made on the stability of this storied franchise until Fishwrap is separated from it completely, and his bestie Manfred also gets the heave-ho. Neither will admit to a mistake, much less malfeasance, so they will continue to double down on this fustercluck until it's all a pile of ashes...
The 1969 MLB expansion only happened because the Missouri Senator threatened MLBs antitrust exemption. That's also why the Pilots lasted only one season. No one was ready
Stu Stymie was his name I believe.
Charlie Finley was one of the greatest innovators in the history of modern sports; post-season night baseball, the Designated Hitter, his idea for a Designated Runner to speed up the game, and memorable promotions like Peter Cottontail the mechanical rabbit ball boy, Charlie O the live mule mascot, and the kelly green and fort knox gold uniforms that make the A's stand out to this day. Finley also built one of the great modern day baseball dynasties, 72, 73 74 World Champions, and 71, 72,73,74, 75 western division champions. His run was ended after he lost virtually all his top players in the first free agent draft in 1976. As a young fan following from across the country, I watched riveted as he used every trick in the book to rebuild the team,. I remember in the months after that first free agent draft, he traded his Manager, Chuck Tanner, to Pittsburgh for $100,000 and catcher Manny Sanguillen - to this day, I have never heard of anyone trading a manager. Finley was able to rebuild the team to the point where the A's won a division championship in the shortened season a few years after he sold the team, hiring manager Billy Martin prior to selling the team. He did the rebuild on a shoestring, with nothing but determination and his innovative flair. Finley saw the writing on the wall and understood that undercapitalized teams would have a hard time succeeding in the free agent era. I recall he tried to sell the team to Denver oilman Marvin Davis, who was going to move the team to that city. Oakland got a reprieve when the sale fell through.
Say what you will about Charlie O. Finley but he was passionate about baseball and his A's. He should definitely be in the Hall of Fame.
The Green and Gold uniforms took the field in 1963 in Kansas City
@@michaelleroy9281 Yes - Finley purchased the team in the early sixties, and introduced the uniforms in Kansas City.
One historical fact I would have mentioned was in 1980 Charlie Finley was on the verge of selling to someone that was going to move the team to Denver. That deal fell through and Charlie Finley sold the A's to Walter Haas. Here's to history repeating itself and John Fisher being forced to sell the A's!
The A’s proposed move to Denver was 1978. It was a nearly finalized deal.
As an Expos fan of the past, I can sympathize with A's fans. If the A's do in fact move to Las Vegas, I suspect Montreal and Oakland will be the only two former MLB cities that won't be awarded a new team anytime in the foreseeable future, if ever.
As a SF Giants fan, I really hope the A's stay in the Bay Area so we can still have more American League Baseball close to home!
It’s over
So we’ve had:
Philadelphia Athletics
Kansas City Athletics
Dallas Athletics*
Atlanta Athletics*
Louisville Athletics*
Denver Athletics*
San Diego Athletics*
Oakland Athletics
San Jose Athletics*
Las Vegas Athletics**
*-was attempted at some point
**-may be happening
So many alternate timelines, I had no idea. Makes me wonder had the St. Louis Browns moving to Los Angeles for the 1942 season would the A’s have relocated to the West Coast from KC sooner, or if they would’ve gone to KC in the first place.
don't forget new orleans*
dont forget freemont
Finley threatened to move the A's to Peculiar, Missouri and have them play in a cow pasture. So add the Peculiar A's to your list.
Finley also thought about Seattle but the stadium was an issue even then (before the Pilots).
@@BobGlassett that stadium was sick.
You forgot an important aspect of the Athletics move to KC: it shouldn't have happened. There was a deal in place, agreed to, and signed, that would've kept them in Philly. However Johnson convinced one of Connie Mack's sons to vote against the deal in exchange for a job for he and his son when the team moved to KC.
Charlie O., after three consecutive World Series championship, had lost most of his star players through free agency, and Athletics in the late 1970s were dead in last place, and in attendance. In 1980, he attempted to sell tge team to a businessman whose intention was to move the team to Denver.
Rochester Royals moved to Cincinnati before moving to Kansas City. They played games in Omaha too.
The sad thing man, Oakland let their teams go. Can't tell other city who has lost their 3 major teams.. devastating. And we will not see another pro sports team in Oakland. Should've took care of them
lost another finley clusterfk the golden seals to cleveland in '76 too.
The kings did move 3 times, rochester to Cincinnati to kc to Sacramento
I stand corrected!
shared kc and omaha for a few seasons.
@@andred3299 gunds owned alll of them until he got bay area and sj sharks. womanizer norm green took n stars to dallas.
@@andred3299 Minnesota Stars existed from 1967 to 1993. The Cleveland Barons lasted only 3 seasons 1976 to 1979. So the Cleveland Barons didn't go to Minnesota !
@stephanechamberland8486 they were merged
That's where I'm really upset with Manfred. There were transient teams before Sac Kings, NJ Devils (KC then Col) that needed some moves before they found their "forever home". Some differences in this case:
1) Again, the A's are playing in their 56th season in Oakland. No team that started after the 1800's has played in a market that long only to leave the market. Unlike 60 years ago, we have teams from coast to coast already. When the Kings were threatening to move from Sac 10 years ago, you could make a better argument they were still transient as they were in Sac only about 25-30 years. Yet, Stern fought for them to stay. I'm sure Silver would jump at the chance to bring NBA back to Seattle when presented with the opportunity. The A's forever home should be the Bay Area. Some people see the commissioner as the keeper of the game, yet Selig and Manfred haven't lifted a finger to try to keep the A's in the Bay Area. Manfred is just nonchalant about the A's moving as if they've been in Oakland less than 10 years, didn't really win, and it was just a short stop for them.
2) In this day and age, we have the internet and social media. We have great media people like Brodie and Casey Pratt, and others who can call out the BS and give us the real information in real time instead of the powers that be pulling the wool over our eyes. We can see right through Fisher, Kaval, and Manfred. Thank you for that.
I have no dog in this fight, but I can see that MLB covets Las Vegas and doesn't think highly of Oakland. Not to mention that Oakland A's fans seem to have a blindspot towards the actions of Oakland and California officials' incompetence. I have been following this from the beginning, and Oakland has been stuck on slow and/or stop for some time. The A's are not a priority of this or the previous Oakland Administration. Hell, even the hotdog economist gets it. Someone needs to tell Casey Pratt.
@@philknox That was because Sacramento’s mayor at the time was a former NBA all star.
It's best the team moves away from such a decaying ghetto.
@@mikeblevins4277 I'm sorry, how exactly is a site next to Jack London Square a "decaying ghetto"?
@@dcfog81 Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a fine city for someone like you.
The Braves weren’t in Milwaukee very long either 1953-1965. But the big difference between the Braves time in Milwaukee and the A’s time in Kansas City is that the Braves actually had success in Milwaukee as they won the 1957 World Series and were in the World Series in 1958.
After 1958 the fan interest started to wane and for the 1966 season they became the Atlanta Braves
And Finley ultimately would have to share the Coliseum to the Raiders which the A's would share with the Raiders from 1968-1981, 1995-2019.
Pre-Finley, the A's colluded with the Yankees to basically be their minor league team.
Aren't the Philadelphia Phillys an older franchise than the A's. This means that Phillys were already playing baseball when the A's left.
The Phillies go way back to the 1880 s maybe even before
@@michaelleroy9281 1883. They also were the one who essentially got left holding the bag that was Shibe Park when the A's left in '55.
Thank you for the history, love it ❤ always learning something new from you
The Raiders have moved three times-Oakland to L.A., back to Oakland, and finally to Vegas. The Rams have moved four times-Cleveland to L.A., to St. Louis, and back to L.A.
Thanks for the correction. The Rams are another team that has moved at least 3 times. They started in Cleveland and moved to LA to St. Louis and back to LA. I'm not counting the stadium move from the LA Coliseum to Anaheim.
The A's won't even be the first team in Oakland to have moved three times. The Raiders started in Oakland moved to LA then moved back to Oakland and are now in Las Vegas.
Yes. Amazing too that Oakland would lose two major league teams to the same city. Don't think that has ever happened before.
Don't forget the NFL Cardinals as well (Chicago, St. Louis, Arizona).
Interesting review of the history. The A's may very well have had their own stadium in Philadelphia. But Shibe park was old, and Connie Mack was a much earlier, much different owner in Philadelphia. Teams were often their own financial entity, where today no one owns a team that doesn't have big financial interests elsewhere.
I saw in the comments and it's correct the Rochester/Cincinnati Royals became the Kansas City Kings (and for some fun, for a couple years were the Kansas City/Omaha Kings). Then moved to Sacramento. I also think that's 4x moves.
Also, KC actually had a very short lived National League Franchise called the Cowboys, and also had a short lived NFL franchise, that went by both the name Blues and Cowboys.
Another very interesting piece regarding the history of the move is that when the A's were finally allowed to move, Stuart Symington, Senator from Missouri pitched a major fit, and threatened all of MLB with the removal of the anti-trust exemption. This scared all of the owners, so they agreed to expand and provide Kansas City an expansion team in 1971. But Symington didn't want to wait that long, and it got pushed up to 1969. They came into the AL with the Seattle Pilots, that only lasted one year, and then promptly moved to Milwaukee as the Brewers. The NL brought in the Astros (started as Colt .45's) and the Montreal Expos (now Nationals).
The A's in Kansas City was one of the biggest jokes. Arnold Johnson made them just a minor league team for the Yankee's since he had financial ties to the Yankee's owners. And Charlie Finley, who had some great ideas, also proved quickly he was not a good owner for baseball. And it's fascinating that while he had some great teams in Oakland, he also had some of the absolute worst teams in baseball, and embarrassing attendance levels in Oakland as well.
And as a kid growing up in Kansas City, we were basically taught to hate the A's because of all of this history, and how KC was cheated by the A's & Finley. And then having the Chiefs biggest rival, the Raider's, also being in Oakland left KC very jaded over the A's.
But KC got their team and while far from a perfect ride, we've had much better ownership. Interestingly the A's 70's dynasty was taken over by the Royals in the later 70's, but that didn't end in a World Series title. And many of those ALCS against the Yank's had former A's players.
So that kid that grew up hating the A's because of their shafting my hometown just smiles a little as I watch the latest moving fiasco.
Shibe Park was most definitely specifically built for Mr. Mack and Mr. Shibe's Athletics. Other sports did not use it until much later, and that was more or less as an afterthought. KC Muni was built for baseball, but the Chiefs would later use it once the AFL started in 1960.
Also, there was a slight little thing that happened after Finley announced the move: Sen. Stuart Symington of Missouri threatened to pass legislation removing MLB's anti-trust exemption if KC didn't get a team. The AL wasn't planning on expanding until 1970-71, but because of the threat, they placated KC with the Royals - and forced Seattle to field a team three years before they had a decent ballpark. (That did NOT end well. Just ask Bud Selig.)
Phillies, A’s, and Eagles shared Shibe Park from 1942 to 1954. The Mets had to share Shea Stadium with Yankees, Giants, and Jets in 1975.
I picked the A's as my favorite American league team in the early 70's. They were doing well and their players were cool. 😎
One thing you didn’t mention is the fact the Seattle Pilots (Milwaukee) and Kc Royals weren’t supposed to expand into the league until
1971. The plan was to add 2 NL teams San Diego and Montreal (Washington) …. The Missouri politicians were pissed and went to bat to push up the expansion.
This had devastating effects for Seattle bc their city wasn’t ready for them and the team moved after one season. Also with 4 teams in one expansion draft …. It set back each team…. Two of them still have yet to win a World Series…
Atlanta hawks started as the tri cites Blackhawks, Milwaukee hawks, st. Louis hawks. That's 3x
History is definitely repeating itself that the A's are making trades that don't make sense to contending teams essentially for nothing. Now the Braves have took advantage of them like the Yankees did in the past. The braves with Murphy most.
If Vegas fell through, what's the plan? The A's would have to get out of the coliseum and let's be honest, the coliseum is at the end. You have to get new owners, a land deal, a stadium deal with private money. In the interim, your best bet is striking a deal with sacramento and Fresno and maybe a college team in the region, to balance out your home schedule. Also, they have the big Union deal and union's run the state legislature in Nevada. I used to live there and started my news and broadcasting career there. They can raise the 500 Million. Again the warning sign's go back to 1995 when the renovations were horrible.
How the A's franchise is still exist to this day is mind-blowing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏👏👏
The Kansas City - Omaha Kings had Nate "Tiny" Archibald on their roster. Just Sayin'.......
Sad, the A's spent all the years in Oakland and never got a new stadium. Even Philly managed to build Shibe Park, the only stadium the team ever got built specifically for them.
The Athletics never should have left Philly! I was robbed of cross town rivalry . I’ve said for years they should move back (realignment?) Phila could definitely support 2 franchises.
You forgot the Cincinnati Royals. Rochester to Cinci to KC to Sacramento.
Also, the Baltimore Orioles.
The A's best year in Kansas City was probably 1966 when they won 74 games
Yes, perhaps all the distraction of talk of of moving in 1967 helped the A's to only win 62 games the last year, because the team was much better. The first year in Oakland they won 82 games, a winning record for the first time ever and with the same team as in 1967. KC was so close to all of that championship winning!!!
The Kings franchise moves
Rochester
Cincinnati
Kansas City
K.C.-Omaha
Sacramento
As someone who lives in Seattle, the domed stadium proposal that failed in KC also was tried here to keep the Pilots from moving following the 1969 season. It was passed but not before the Pilots moved to Milwaukee & became the Brewers for the 1970 season. That domed stadium became the Kingdome & became home not only to the Mariners but also the Seahawks, the first version of the Sounders & even for 7 years in the late 70's & early 80's home of the Sonics.
The domed stadium was approved by Seattle voters in 1968. The Pilots weren't supposed to start until 1971 and it was expected that Sick's Stadium could be expanded and make do until the domed stadium was ready (similar to what happened in Milwaukee for the Braves and KC for the A's). But the A's flight from KC moved the expansion up, the Seattle ownership wasn't ready and the Pilots fled to Milwaukee.
@BobGlassett braves left Milwaukee cuz the new owners wanted to move the team. Stadium was only 13 years old and lasted til 2000.
The Sacramento Royals were the Cincinnati Royals then became the Kansas City-Omaha Kings (to not be confused with Kansas City Royals baseball team) dropped Omaha then became the Sacramento Kings.
What about Braves from Boston to Milwaukee to atlanta
The A’S played 54 in Philadelphia and 54 years in Oakland just a little trivia
They're already in their 56th in Oakland actually...
Philadelphia 1901-1954 (54 years)
Kansas City 1955-1967 (13 years)
Oakland 1968-2023 (56 years)
Hell Yeah The A's Athletics... History is Repeating Itself...."They've Screwed A Whole Lot Of Towns"....They Treated KCMO so terrible.. That's how we got the Kansas City Royals...Charles Findley Couldn't walk down a Kansas City Street! "Wouldn't sign a 3 year lease!!..💯👀✔️🎯
Braves moved 3 times
both braves a third moved twice.
I really feel that MiLB should experiment with yellow balls with red stitching.
Players had problems seeing the stitching with red stitching on orange balls.
This would make the game more friendly for fans and television cameras.
Why not move to Aukland? The Aukland As? Sounds good. New Zealand is about as far west as you can go, I believe, without beginning to go east. Long plane trips are fun too.
I'll believe the move when they play their 1st game in Vegas.
This is unbelievable the franchise of the A's is a disaster I didn't know what was going on in the sixties about this 😳 it's crazy 🤔
Great video! By the way, Rochester Royals, Cincinnati Royals, Kansas City Kings, and Sacramento Kings
Thanks. And I know 😳 missed one along the way. Thanks for catching me.
kc/omaha were dual cities for a few years too. that be five cities kings have played in. maloofs nearly moved sacto to anaheim a few years back. l
Send this to Casey Pratt. He needs a history lesson.
Oh, the A's would *not* be the first major pro sports franchise to move three times. The Atlanta Hawks' history is positively nomadic, even by comparison.
The Kings started out in Rochester, then Cincinnati, then KansasCity/Omaha, now Sacramento. They've got the A's beat! (Also, both the Rams and the Raiders have moved three times, albeit they each moved "back" to a former city.)
@@bombasticanimal1853 don't forget the sixth city they almost moved to. anaheim to play in ducks arena before maloofs plan was nixed by nba.
@@stevenbauer4799 Didn't the Maloofs want to move the Kings to Las Vegas at one point?
As for the Hawks: Tri-Cities (aka what we'd call the Quad Cities today), Milwaukee, St. Louis, and then Atlanta. So they're right up there with the Rochester-Cincinnati Royals/Kansas City-Omaha-Sacramento Kings.
@@josephhouk6703 I believe lv where they were from was on their radar too before lv got new arena there. Then nhl vgk moved into lv. Thats why they decided on anaheim to be closer to lv.
Another fact in A's move to KC. Yankee owners Dan Topping and Del Webb had business relationship with Arnold Johnson and championed Johnson with with othet AL owners to purchase A's. Topping and Webb were the most influential among AL owners at the time. So, Johnson buys team relocates to KC and A's become, in actuality, farm team of Yankees. A lot of questionable
Sell the Team to Warriors owner and Stay on Oakland
Rochester Royals to Cincinnati Royals to kc kings to Sacramento kings.
For a transient team, they have won more World Series than the Dodgers and the Giants.
Do you think Oakland will play temporarily in Sacramento !!!!????
The kings have moved to Rochester to Cincinnati to Kansas city and Sacramento
Rochester Royals became the Cincinnati Royals.
Where did the Philadelphia Athletics go?
To KC in 1955.
Rochester Royals!!! YEAAAHH!!
Haha meanwhile Kansas City just a few years later built a baseball only stadium for the new Royals and a football only stadium for the Chiefs. So the guy who listed not wanting to share stadiums moved his team and shared a junk stadium for 50 years. Had he stayed in KC he'd have a brand new baseball only stadium and one of the only baseball only stadiums built between the late 1960s and 1990s. He clearly just hated that city he wasn’t staying no matter what! A KC girl must have dumped him haha
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Hi I enjoyed the video But there's a part there that you forgot to mention that Kansas city did to the A.'s They doubled the rent Before the 1968 And that was before They promise not Not to raise his rent And I was the And I was the final straw I got this information From Charlie's daughter from her book Bought her dad
You forgot the Cincinnati Royals
What are the chances that Rob Manford realizes what Fisher is doing? If I were Manford, I would tell him this:
"Mr. Fisher, you are purposely deceiving us with this Las Vegas deal. You need to put a team together with some veterans the fans can recognize who can help the younger players. If the team finishes in last place with this current roster, it' s your fault. I will then deny your request for relocation and you will have to stay in Oakland. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you sell the team before 2024, if not sooner."
I may not be an As fan, but I care about the team staying in Oakland.
Manfred is the one who told Fisher to look at relocating the team. 😄
@@louiscypher4186 maybe, but Manfred realizes what Fishhead is doing, he could change his mind.
@@tvpmark There's no "maybe" the Manfred and the other owners wants the MLB to have a presence in Vegas.
They don't give a single shit if the A's are competitive all they care about it access to a new market. If need be they can always force Fisher to sell AFTER the team is relocated.
If your hoping the men counting stacks are going to come and force a team to stay in Oakland "for the fans" your dreaming.
@@louiscypher4186 I don't know. Seems as if A's ownership is losing precious time in getting an approval to build a ballpark in Vegas.
@@tvpmark Rob Manfred is nothing but a liar himself, from the Astros scandal to moving the All-Star game on a lie to the A 's moving, and is actively destroying the game. You're dreaming if you think he's going to do anything about this.
"begs the question" doesn't mean what you think it means.
Charlie O. Built it. Nobody but him was gonna tear it down. 😡😡😡
Joe Lacob rumors abound!!!🙂🙂🙂
Cleveland- LA- St. Louis-back to LA
The Rams
Looks like the Kansas City Chiefs push out the A's out Kansas City.
The Rams and Raiders have moved three times the raiders may have moved four
Oakland got straight A’s students!
A’s and Raiders are exsactly the same, they like backstabbing there own home fanzz , by moving cities 20-30 years later to a new stadium 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Designed runner not hitter
You forgot the Rochester Royals we’re the Cincinnati Royals, the KC Kings and so on.
At least 50% chance Vegas deal falls through.
Of course it's 50%
It either the deal is sealed or the deal falls through
So, Charlie Finley was a prototype for Señor Stan #KroenkeOut - shitting on a good Missouri sports town for no good reason.
Rams cleveland to la to st.l back to la. Raiders oakland to la back to oakland to lv. Charlie finley ruined an a's dynasty that could have won four more w s titles by the end of the '70's. Should have been a's vs. big red machine/dodgers instead of yanks who stole reggie, catfish from cheap ass finley. And a's nearly left for denver in '77 when oilman marvin davis wanted to buy a's. N O was also a possible re-location site to play out of the superdome then too. and roch/cincyroyals/kcomaha/sacto kings nearly moved to a fifth site anaheim to be royals again before nba nixed the maloof bros plan leading to sale of kings and new arena in sacto. A's in a two year span'75-'77 went from five time a l west champs to 95 loss cellar of west as team that replaced a's in kc royals became the dominant west team for 10 years. And a''s attendance dropped to bottom of a l too. Even worse than indians in the spacious masoleum in those days.
In 1979 when they went 54-108 the A's somehow enticed 280,000 fans through the turnstiles... Modern-day fans just can't comprehend such a paltry attendance figure...
@@bombasticanimal1853 yep. A's may beat that this year. That's when a's brought in billy martin using some billy ball to entice fans back to a's games as he wore the shit out of his pitching staff. Got a's to post season in '81 strike season. Last one until larussa bash bros days.
Reggie Jackson was traded to Baltimore before signing with the Yanks the next year
@@WestPac-ny9vi true but he was traded because with free agency out there finley knew he would lose reggie as a f a and yanks would outspend everyone to get reggie. a's traded him to get some return.
Dont see Oakland getting another pro sports team if the A's leave.
This wont go down like the KC Athletics saga where KC got a new franchise.
Oakland mayor gotta know better after losing the Raiders then Warriors across the bay and get the A's deal done but chose to drag her feet.
There’s a slight push for a potential soccer team, given the fact that a soccer specific stadium has already been proposed.
However that’s about it!!
The soccer team already exists, it’s the Oakland Roots.
If they manage to get their stadium built, that’ll be all that Oakland will have as far as sports.
I would be all for the A's staying in Oakland only if the team was renamed the Oakland Ghetto boys. Or perhaps the Oakland Savages.
No, you got the Oakland Raiders, to Los Angeles Raiders, to Oakland Raiders again, and now the Las Vegas Raiders, you also have the Los Angeles Rams, the St. Louis Rams, and now the Los Angeles Rams, you also have the Chicago Cardinals, the St. Louis Cardinals, and the Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, that's 3 NFL franchises that gave moved 3 times. So the A's are not going to be the first major professional sports team to relocate three times, and I haven't even looked at the NBA or NHL. First professional pro baseball team to move three times in franchise history yes, but not the first pro team to do so.
Cardinals only moved twice (Chicago to STL and STL to Arizona). They have been in 3 different regions.
@@darryljorden9177 az yotes who started off as winn jets will be off to a third city if tempe arena vote fails on may 16.
Rams moved three times: Cleveland to LA, LA to St. Louis, St. Louis to LA.
nba-buff braves to sd clippers to la clippers. nhl-kc scouts to col rockies to nj devils. Also whalers started off in boston then n e whalers/hartford whalers after move to conn. and then car. canes.
@@stevenbauer4799 I hope it fails. The team would do better in Houston or Quebec City.
The Bay area would still have the Giants.
d c lost sens to minny then gained new sens and lost them to texas as rangers. And same stadium city but la, cali, anaheim, angels of la, la angels. mlb braves-boston, milw, atlanta. nba-braves buffalo, sd clippers, la. nfl-braves boston wash redskins d c commanders. mlb-st.l cards. nfl cards chicago st. l phx/az. Only once in nhl-kc denver nj-has a team has three different cities. But could happen again soon if az. yote arena vote goes down may 16. Would be winn jets-phx/(glendale/tempe)/az yotes-houston? qc/ kc?
Coyotes could move to Houston sooner than you think
@@michaelleroy9281 I hope so...
I was just reading the Wikipedia page for the Coliseum earlier today and I had to laugh. Where have we heard this story before?!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Coliseum