Thank you. I just finished the book. Your video is awesome and helpful , especially for me because English is not my mother tongue, and it's like I review a book again to understand better.
When you were reading the parts about women, I was glad I was sitting down because I felt progressively woozier and more light headed, didn't know whether to cry or throw up. Thank you for sharing these crucial facts. Astonished that I hadn't heard of this book before 😢
I read your comment and I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way when hearing about this stuff. I see so many women around me be uninterested about gender and generally unaware about inequality, and it's bizarre to me.
I don't normally read non-fiction & in all honesty just wanted a brain candy hit and learn a thing or two, but now I actually have to read it. This books seems to have solid theories & maybe actual answers to SO many questions that have baffled me for decades! Brilliant! Thanks for sharing this one. Mary Wollstonecraft!!! omg
Oh, I had added this book to my wishlist earlier this month. Taking it as a sign that I need to get my hands on a copy. The excerpts you read were brilliant, thank you for the video.
Thank you! A fascinating video and a book that I need to read eventually. (As a side note:) I think you said before that you don't really read about neurodiversity, or it is not really in your interests, but for anyone else (or if I am remembering mistakenly) I would like to recommend a book: I am currently reading Empire of Normality: Neurodiversity and Capitalism by Robert Chapman. I am only around 1/3rd of the book but it is so far really good in my opinion, and I think it will be really interesting to read these two books after each other to see capitalism from these different point of views. This book (Empire of Normality) already provided me with similar mind blowing moments, for example how capitalism contributed to our view of health and our bodies as machines to be fixed, and how all this affected and shaped the view or definition of being healthy or average/ normal. Anyway, thank you again for the video. I will definitely check out this book later ^^
Thank you for covering this book. I've been seeing the name Caliban get thrown into Warhammer, Destiny and Warframe and usually just dub over it with their own lore featuring something or someone of infernal aspect.
Your comment about "boomers" reminded me of a study which i read recently. I'll cite it if I can find it again. It was an international study, quite large, of attitudes over time. Its conclusion was that labeling generations and attributing characteristics to them is erroneous. It went on to explain that its findings were that attitude had everything to do with stage of life and nothing to do with era of birth. So "boomers" are of an age now when they may have certain attitudes, but that didn't hold true for their whole lives. For example, the hard work ethic, which is not held by ALL "boomers" anyway, is relatively recent in their lives. Remember that "boomers" were the hippies, commune residents, etc of years gone by. Those "boomers" who still work in non-profits or are public servants like teachers are still not likely to push the "gotta work more" ethic. So, as someone who was born on the cusp of "boomer" and Gen X and who works in a social service capacity, I'd love to turn this generation labeling off. It's meaningless. It has more to do with perspective than anything else. And blanket judgments are no more helpful when it comes to age than they are when it comes to any other social expectations. Thanks for keeping me thinking, Willow!
This is very enlightening! I actually have an ex-friend who’s a cop, a climate change-denier, and a transphobe. When talking about her once, I caught myself using the phrase “boomer is a state of mind”. It does a disservice to good boomers but the point carries, I think
‘Boomer’ is more than meaningless, it’s hurtful. I’m a boomer, a life-long non-violence advocate, a lesbian, practitioner of simple living, and an environmentalist. ‘Boomer’ is a dismissal, ageist, and hurtful. And a way of erasing your own history…I came out in the 70’s when people were still being involuntarily committed to mental hospitals for being homosexual (happened to a friend of mine), and trans folks…well, they were even further beyond the pale. But yeah, go ahead and dismiss me as a ‘boomer’, lump us all together as some sort of monolithic thing. We are as varied and diverse as your own age group.
@@LaughingStockfarm1 Thanks for sharing your voice and experience. I came out in the 90's in southern America, when it still wasn't super-easy or safe, I look up to people in your generation who fought hard and bravely to help us have freedoms and legal protections we wouldn't have without you. I also look back at the civil rights movement & am in awe of how so much WAS accomplished so quickly, even if we still have so far to go & are sadly in a state of backlash. As an x-ennial with very liberal friends in the boomer generation who are still fighting every good fight, the boomer generation, to me, has its warts and racists AND its heroes and heroines, and I can't separate the two psychologically. BUT... I am absolutely certain when people say "boomer," it is being used to describe the opposite of you- it is to say- the very people (& additionally the mindset of those) who sought- and likely still seek- to suppress/oppress you...POC... and all marginalized people. It is a NEW definition, influenced by but not identical to the definition we knew before. It's a shortcut and a marketable, memorable device for an important conversation. To me, it's similar to "Karen," which is absolutely shitty & offensive to anyone walking around with that name that is actually a good person. However, the concept of "Don't be a ''Karen'" is valid, important and worthy and something we need to look at and talk about as a society. It spread, because people find it humorous & catchy, but what's important is it calls people out on horrible behavior, by making this caricature people can spot & say... no I don't want to be that kind of person. If fewer white people assume seeing someone walking around while being black is a reason to call the cops... something very important is happening and I can get behind the result if not the term. Does that make sense? I honestly think this is the intention with the phrase much of the time. "Don't trust anyone over 40" was similar. It meant don't trust the majority-held, constrictive and oppressive social mores of the previous generations, and for good reason. I know I've gone on, but I felt for you reading the comment & I hope maybe this helps.
Willow, I love you, but I'm glad the commenter pointed this out. In the last video of yours that I watched, you quoted a poet who disparaged "boomers," and I felt your enjoyment was for his message vs. the quality of the poetry, the writing style.
Lihayes, Great points! I'm on that Gen-X cusp too, same age as Douglas Coupland, who wrote Generation X (how many people don't even know that book?) In my observation, ageism is one of the few remaining acceptable "isms." I so often hear or read things from people who would never say things they consider non-PC, but they disparage elders without a qualm. I'm also not a fan of the non verbal plot/fantasy of so many stories and movies where older people are pushed aside so the younger ones can take their place.
I want to imagine an alternate reality where the catholic church had been repelled and not gotten a toehold in Ireland. What would the world be like today? Would they have been able to retain their traditions and would they have been able to avoid English colonialism? What an interesting idea.
I think not, the Catholic Church was just a means to an end if the Catholic Church had not got a foot hold in Ireland another means would of been found.
I'm about halfway through this book, and I am having a similar experience of being completely blown away by it. I consider myself more a Marxist than a feminist, but the history and arguments in this book are incredible. I didn't know too much about the transition from Slavery to Feudalism or the transition from feudalism to capitalism. The analysis of the enclosures was something I'd never seen before. And similarly to you, I had no idea about the real content of the heretic movement. I've told this to just about everyone I know since I read that. I still disagree with the assertion that capitalism represented an increase of oppression, or somehow a step backward for liberation of the masses or women in general. The development of productivity has created the economic basis for the elimination of chattel slavery and the new sexual revolution. Even if you take for granted the claim that Caliban, or the laboring masses in say China or Honduras have been three subject of the export of horrific laboring conditions and their status is worse than a serf or poor peasant in 15th century Europe (which I think is difficult to make considering even things like the prevalence of literacy), the access to democratic rights has clearly expanded over what just belongs to a tiny handful of nobles in medieval times. Also, I think this narrative makes it difficult to analyze the decay of the imperialist system. One other thing I found interesting in the book is that almost every single strategy or moral used to discipline and shame women written about in the book has a reflection, usually in a crude form in red pill youtube videos. It's interesting reading this book in that context, because it is on the one hand a reflection of an outdated system that likely isn't coming back, but on the other a result if the type of alienation between members of the oppressed classes that Federici talks about. Anyway, i have been living this book and was looking for videos of people discussing it and this video was great.
Wow sounds like an amazing book. They had to disenchant the world in order to dominate it. It’s interesting to note that women were medical practitioners and guilde members. They dominated those areas with herbs and whatnot, that couldn’t be allowed. It was good to see your adorable book kitten Mary w.
I wonder whether this book is exploring the roots of lateral violence? The creation of a structural approach that gives permission to act violently towards someone who in reality is an equal. Someone who is 99.6% the same as you.
My brother just sent me this book in the mail and it sounded right up my alley, but you've convinced me even more to read through it!
This really does sound like essential reading. Top of my list to purchase.
I’m so happy that you loved it. It’s probably my favorite piece of non fiction ever and I’d hoped more people would be interested in it ! 🌸🌸🌸
Thank you. I just finished the book. Your video is awesome and helpful , especially for me because English is not my mother tongue, and it's like I review a book again to understand better.
When you were reading the parts about women, I was glad I was sitting down because I felt progressively woozier and more light headed, didn't know whether to cry or throw up. Thank you for sharing these crucial facts. Astonished that I hadn't heard of this book before 😢
I read your comment and I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way when hearing about this stuff. I see so many women around me be uninterested about gender and generally unaware about inequality, and it's bizarre to me.
@@anayrre2062 Bizarre and a bit dangerous, really.
This book is amazing! I learned so much from it when I read it. Thank you for bringing this discussion to the booktube.
I don't normally read non-fiction & in all honesty just wanted a brain candy hit and learn a thing or two, but now I actually have to read it. This books seems to have solid theories & maybe actual answers to SO many questions that have baffled me for decades! Brilliant! Thanks for sharing this one. Mary Wollstonecraft!!! omg
Oh, I had added this book to my wishlist earlier this month. Taking it as a sign that I need to get my hands on a copy. The excerpts you read were brilliant, thank you for the video.
Thank you, Willow. Amazing information! This book will be my next purchase.
Sold! Thanks for sharing with so much passion.
Fascinating!! This has been added to my list.
Thank you! A fascinating video and a book that I need to read eventually.
(As a side note:) I think you said before that you don't really read about neurodiversity, or it is not really in your interests, but for anyone else (or if I am remembering mistakenly) I would like to recommend a book: I am currently reading Empire of Normality: Neurodiversity and Capitalism by Robert Chapman.
I am only around 1/3rd of the book but it is so far really good in my opinion, and I think it will be really interesting to read these two books after each other to see capitalism from these different point of views.
This book (Empire of Normality) already provided me with similar mind blowing moments, for example how capitalism contributed to our view of health and our bodies as machines to be fixed, and how all this affected and shaped the view or definition of being healthy or average/ normal.
Anyway, thank you again for the video. I will definitely check out this book later ^^
the fact that I finished reading it yesterday and this was uploaded today
Really enjoyed the video please do more of this sort of thing. Always find your Videos, informative
This is such an amazing book. But also so very depressing.
It's like having a family member pass and then reading their autopsy report.
All ur vids are so good! I feel like this videos gonna be popular
Thank you for covering this book. I've been seeing the name Caliban get thrown into Warhammer, Destiny and Warframe and usually just dub over it with their own lore featuring something or someone of infernal aspect.
what a powerful finding,
thank you for breaking it
down with your insights. 💡
Thank you. Good review 🙏🏽
Yes absolute fave has 100% changed my worldview
Your comment about "boomers" reminded me of a study which i read recently. I'll cite it if I can find it again. It was an international study, quite large, of attitudes over time. Its conclusion was that labeling generations and attributing characteristics to them is erroneous. It went on to explain that its findings were that attitude had everything to do with stage of life and nothing to do with era of birth. So "boomers" are of an age now when they may have certain attitudes, but that didn't hold true for their whole lives. For example, the hard work ethic, which is not held by ALL "boomers" anyway, is relatively recent in their lives. Remember that "boomers" were the hippies, commune residents, etc of years gone by. Those "boomers" who still work in non-profits or are public servants like teachers are still not likely to push the "gotta work more" ethic. So, as someone who was born on the cusp of "boomer" and Gen X and who works in a social service capacity, I'd love to turn this generation labeling off. It's meaningless. It has more to do with perspective than anything else. And blanket judgments are no more helpful when it comes to age than they are when it comes to any other social expectations. Thanks for keeping me thinking, Willow!
This is very enlightening! I actually have an ex-friend who’s a cop, a climate change-denier, and a transphobe. When talking about her once, I caught myself using the phrase “boomer is a state of mind”. It does a disservice to good boomers but the point carries, I think
‘Boomer’ is more than meaningless, it’s hurtful. I’m a boomer, a life-long non-violence advocate, a lesbian, practitioner of simple living, and an environmentalist. ‘Boomer’ is a dismissal, ageist, and hurtful. And a way of erasing your own history…I came out in the 70’s when people were still being involuntarily committed to mental hospitals for being homosexual (happened to a friend of mine), and trans folks…well, they were even further beyond the pale. But yeah, go ahead and dismiss me as a ‘boomer’, lump us all together as some sort of monolithic thing. We are as varied and diverse as your own age group.
@@LaughingStockfarm1 Thanks for sharing your voice and experience. I came out in the 90's in southern America, when it still wasn't super-easy or safe, I look up to people in your generation who fought hard and bravely to help us have freedoms and legal protections we wouldn't have without you. I also look back at the civil rights movement & am in awe of how so much WAS accomplished so quickly, even if we still have so far to go & are sadly in a state of backlash. As an x-ennial with very liberal friends in the boomer generation who are still fighting every good fight, the boomer generation, to me, has its warts and racists AND its heroes and heroines, and I can't separate the two psychologically. BUT... I am absolutely certain when people say "boomer," it is being used to describe the opposite of you- it is to say- the very people (& additionally the mindset of those) who sought- and likely still seek- to suppress/oppress you...POC... and all marginalized people. It is a NEW definition, influenced by but not identical to the definition we knew before. It's a shortcut and a marketable, memorable device for an important conversation. To me, it's similar to "Karen," which is absolutely shitty & offensive to anyone walking around with that name that is actually a good person. However, the concept of "Don't be a ''Karen'" is valid, important and worthy and something we need to look at and talk about as a society. It spread, because people find it humorous & catchy, but what's important is it calls people out on horrible behavior, by making this caricature people can spot & say... no I don't want to be that kind of person. If fewer white people assume seeing someone walking around while being black is a reason to call the cops... something very important is happening and I can get behind the result if not the term. Does that make sense? I honestly think this is the intention with the phrase much of the time. "Don't trust anyone over 40" was similar. It meant don't trust the majority-held, constrictive and oppressive social mores of the previous generations, and for good reason. I know I've gone on, but I felt for you reading the comment & I hope maybe this helps.
Willow, I love you, but I'm glad the commenter pointed this out. In the last video of yours that I watched, you quoted a poet who disparaged "boomers," and I felt your enjoyment was for his message vs. the quality of the poetry, the writing style.
Lihayes, Great points! I'm on that Gen-X cusp too, same age as Douglas Coupland, who wrote Generation X (how many people don't even know that book?) In my observation, ageism is one of the few remaining acceptable "isms." I so often hear or read things from people who would never say things they consider non-PC, but they disparage elders without a qualm. I'm also not a fan of the non verbal plot/fantasy of so many stories and movies where older people are pushed aside so the younger ones can take their place.
This book sounds incredible! Thanks for sharing Willow!
So intriguing! Thank you so much, it goes right up there on my wishlist 🩷
WOW! Well done!!!
I'm really looking forward to someday reading this book. Thanks very much for promoting it. 😊
A comrade of mine recommended this to me today, I can’t wait to pick it up at my local bookshop!!
Just purchased.
Fantastic.
I want to imagine an alternate reality where the catholic church had been repelled and not gotten a toehold in Ireland. What would the world be like today? Would they have been able to retain their traditions and would they have been able to avoid English colonialism? What an interesting idea.
I think not, the Catholic Church was just a means to an end if the Catholic Church had not got a foot hold in Ireland another means would of been found.
I'm about halfway through this book, and I am having a similar experience of being completely blown away by it. I consider myself more a Marxist than a feminist, but the history and arguments in this book are incredible. I didn't know too much about the transition from Slavery to Feudalism or the transition from feudalism to capitalism. The analysis of the enclosures was something I'd never seen before. And similarly to you, I had no idea about the real content of the heretic movement. I've told this to just about everyone I know since I read that.
I still disagree with the assertion that capitalism represented an increase of oppression, or somehow a step backward for liberation of the masses or women in general. The development of productivity has created the economic basis for the elimination of chattel slavery and the new sexual revolution. Even if you take for granted the claim that Caliban, or the laboring masses in say China or Honduras have been three subject of the export of horrific laboring conditions and their status is worse than a serf or poor peasant in 15th century Europe (which I think is difficult to make considering even things like the prevalence of literacy), the access to democratic rights has clearly expanded over what just belongs to a tiny handful of nobles in medieval times. Also, I think this narrative makes it difficult to analyze the decay of the imperialist system.
One other thing I found interesting in the book is that almost every single strategy or moral used to discipline and shame women written about in the book has a reflection, usually in a crude form in red pill youtube videos. It's interesting reading this book in that context, because it is on the one hand a reflection of an outdated system that likely isn't coming back, but on the other a result if the type of alienation between members of the oppressed classes that Federici talks about.
Anyway, i have been living this book and was looking for videos of people discussing it and this video was great.
Wow sounds like an amazing book. They had to disenchant the world in order to dominate it. It’s interesting to note that women were medical practitioners and guilde members. They dominated those areas with herbs and whatnot, that couldn’t be allowed. It was good to see your adorable book kitten Mary w.
omg willow!!! you did it 😆😆 you did the thing and read it finally!!! weee 🎉🎉
Sold! Thank you!
Even though I feel this book will give me some anxiety 😩😅
I wonder whether this book is exploring the roots of lateral violence? The creation of a structural approach that gives permission to act violently towards someone who in reality is an equal. Someone who is 99.6% the same as you.