Honestly I find Hapkido so interesting. I do sambo and wrestling and when I get older I might dabble in some Hapkido. I also find Tang Soo Do to be very interesting as well. Would love for you to make some Hapkido vids
@@CombatSelfDefense Although I haven't practiced it technically, I just see that the body mechanics and the skills it develops would make someone ridiculously agile and acrobatic, they'll develop decent distance management, really good control over their body, and if they do deliver strikes, they're delivered with their entire body. Basically, although its somewhat of a gimmicky martial art, it'll develop some very useful attributes to help someone run away, avoid damage, and deliver exceptionally powerful strikes when needed (It looks like the love child of Capoeira and Karate, but done in a way that makes the attributes of both better).
Good list. I do think that any martial art can be more effective in a fight if, and this is the major caveat, the school includes some form of controlled contact sparring. Being hit can teach you a lot about how to apply what you've learned. There are plenty of MMA fighters who demonstrate that Wing Chun or Taekwondo tools can be quite effective in the hands of a skilled fighter.
Muay Chaiya is a good option for the street and also the cage and ring. If you go to sport that includes Small gloves like Combat sambo and headbuts muay chaiya is a very good base in striking and some grappling. In my muay chaiya school we did a lot of sparring. And that is the key of everything, doing sparring.
Great Episode!! My evolution from 8 years old started with sport karate and sport jujitsu. Now at 56 with some pretty significant injuries and a disability I have settled with Hapkido, Catch Wrestling, Panantukan and a dash of old school combatives. The Panantukan is great for striking, Hapkido for standing grappling and Catch for the unfortunate moments I have to go to the ground. Their also my fun favorites to practice. Thanks!!
Some of the best words you ever said. Out of around 25 street fights in my life, only around 2 necessitated serious violence rather than physical deesculation. I've trained in all sorts, but mostly I've used grip breaks, standing chokes, and strong pushes (as well as body/head movement to avoid being hit by surprise strikes by fists and weapons). Self defense isn't one on one, and indeed approaching a fight like that just escalates things very rapidly. Yep. Just run away is bs. My only 'failure' in self defense was running away. Both guys chased, takled me to the floor, and I was done. One beat me while the other one was on top.
For the mobility aspect I find American Kickboxing and Boxe Français more useful just because you don't have to do light contact. I've seen many point competitors not be able to do meaningful damage while striking when having to because they're conditioned not to. I like Shuai Jiao, but it is just standing throws, no pins, or groundfighting. Panantukan I've learned the Inosanto system and Pekiti Tersia system both require having a foundation in Boxing and Greco-Roman Wrestling to truly take advantage of its drills.
I think training for self-defense is more about having the right coach and mindset who is looking at the techniques for that kind of practicality than it is the specific art that you're drawing from. But, in the spirit of your video, if we're talking about arts that might have surprising self-defense value -- I'd put taijitsu/ninjitsu on the list (if you have a serious instructor, not a goofball grifter) because its such a great blend of dirty striking, movement, and stand up grappling. Hardy Quest from North Carolina has great self-defense applications at his ninjitsu school. I'd also put WWII-era combatives (anything from Douglas Fairbairn) on the list. Its like Krav Maga's hard core grandfather. It was made to teach people of all sizes in a short training period (weeks, maybe months at most).
I practiced hapkido, for me, as a base martial art, is A tier, once you have a good base on it, you can pretty much go to a shotokan class, to a kiokushin class, to a bjj or judo class, and be rolling in a really short time. With western disciplines is true is harder to adapt. That was my experience with later doing bjj and kickboxing. Btw yes we learn techniques like grabbing fingers(we train grip streghent) and for example are great when somebody gets you in a rear choke. And wristlocks are surprisingly easily when you are doing ne waza xD. Check also taekkyon, they have a quite solid grappling usually.
If you mensioned point karate, you could also take into consideration point Taekwondo or maybe ift taekwondo...this art is the best at distance control and keeping the opponent at distance while striking him. Capoeira also does a similar job. I can tell you that almost all martial arts are underrated, they get a bad reputation due to the shitty practitioners that we have today. Anyway this was still a good video with good systems mensioned, especially those of Thailand and Philippines or Indonesia. Most Kung fu styles can really work well for mortal kombat modalities, but never for sport combat.
Running will work, the reason most people say it doesn't is because when you go into flight mode you also tend to just run hoping you'll get away, but if you run and instead of running needlessly to get away plan to run into the nearest pub, shop, if possible a crowded area you may still get caught but there will be witnesses and cctv, having said that I have done different martial arts since 1981 and practice shotokan karate all arts have there good and bad points for self defence it's better to know something than not, I haven't been in many street fights but the 1s I have been in the simple techniques are what works just my experience
I read somewhere that in most cases of self defence the defender knows the attacker, so I fully agree with the approach that you don't really want to beat the attacker up until he can't get up anymore...
I don't give a d@mn if I know you or not. If you put your d@mn hands on Me in violence you have risked murdering Me purposefully or accidentally. And I will not allow that. Don't like that? Don't strike Me or try to. 😂
I love that you added point karate. The timing and distance management is all there and most places allow a fair bit of contact to at least know what has a high success rate (offensively and defensively) for the practitioner. Cool list overall as well.
Your type of realistic talk and approach suits me best, exactly just the thing that I am looking for in the sea of Martial Artists and Self Defense Combat channels I see in UA-cam every single day. Subscribed! bring us more please...thanks in advance.
I was just beginning to look into Panantukan; would be curious to hear more about it, especially form your perspective since you practice Bang Muay Thai. I'm curious about both those systems so a comparison would be interesting to me.
None of the Arts you mentioned at the start that others often recommend would I recommend...."maybe" Krav Maga but definitely not the others. Nice list you did and you did include Pnanatukan which is a part of FMA which is the one I would suggest most. Navy Seal Pat Tray said it best...no one system is complete but Kali comes the closest
Way to have a different perspective and make great points as to why there are other good arts for self defense besides boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling and bjj - which is so true
From a historical perspective. The "grab my wrist" martial arts make a lot more sense when you are carrying a sword. An attacker in that scenario has a very good reason to grab your wrist/arm and not let go when you start moving. To keep you from drawing your sword and stabbing him. There is some good stuff in there for people that carry firearms, especially in the open, like cops or security.
Thanks for making this and addressing the “in the Cage,” argument head on! Also, I saw this right after your Black Belt BS (paraphrase) video and I also appreciate that one, perhaps more. Cheers!
This was introspective, and I love it. Nuanced opening. Here for it. I personally think Okinawan karate and Bajiquan can make someone pretty decent. Shui Jiao is dope but I doubt we finding it out in the states. I didnt expect you to mention Hapkido.
Yoseikan Budo is a traditional, self defence oriented, fully hybrid MA. Judo, Karate, Kenjutsu, Sumo, Kobudo, western boxing and wrestling, aikido. It aims at re-creating what samurai’s were. It looks something like Kudo, but it’s more well rounded. I tried it and loved it.
In my personal opinion, the following are underrated: 1) High School Wrestling 2) Karate if it teaches old school clinch fighting, close range strikes (elbows & knees), throws and takedowns 3) Judo, again old school Judo not necessarily Olympic Judo 4) HEMA if it includes European wrestling and grappling with daggers 5) Sumo
Tai chi push hands also comes very close to Shuai Jiao in its sparring/competitive format, the difference is largely in the approach, biomechanics and the inclusion of pushes/body checks. The problem of course is that the majority of Tai chi schools don't even spar/compete, and even if they do compete, the talent pool is very small and skew towards an older demographic.
Alright teacher, your channel is very good. Panantukan or pangamut is a great martial art, it covers aspects of boxing with elbows, knees and low kicks, as well as different forms of attack with the hands such as heel of the hand, hammer punch, etc. In addition to the grappling part that consists of immobilizations on the ground, takedowns and joint locks. The issue is the school that teaches this martial art and not the art itself. The problem with many schools is that they focus too much on weapons and not enough physical fighting sparring. At school in my country there is a big emphasis on full contact sparring and before that basic western boxing is taught. The various techniques that you see on UA-cam videos with various strikes are for pure demonstration, on the streets there are a maximum of 5 strikes that are used. 
What about bajiquan? I keep hearing that its Quite effective. Not sure how true that is because it seems they only use linear movement but a baijie Quan. Master said that it's actually zigzag zag.
I think the question that needs to be asked is what is the effectiveness of both pushing and pulling while striking at the same time. With Chinese martial arts there's an idea that it's hard to land a good hit if your unbalanced. The idea of most Chinese martial arts is to attack your body as a unit. Needless to say it's good to mix traditional arts with sport arts to learn different ways to use your body.
I do Mantis Kung fu but the system i follow incorporates Shuai Jiao as well my Sigung trained under Bu Enfu this double national champion in Boxing and Wrestling in China. There are videos of him teaching a seminar tossing people twice his size but of course people will give the ole its fake or choreographed comments.
All styles will work if you spar against resistance and uncooperative opponents long enough. Run away? Once it starts don't stop until he can't continue. Why just defend against weapons? If its worth fighting (i. e. real self defence) defend Using Weapons. (I study Combative Arnis). Although i study H2H ,its pretty much wishful thinking that no weapons will be involved in real SD situations.
I mean I hear about the styles jus spar but alot of wing chun ppl spar but still get beat up,bc most of the strikes they defend against are Kung Fu strikes.strikes u will never see in the real world bc the majority r untrained.they have a hard time dealing with hooks,I would say line up your martial art WITH the real world attacks,
I was very surprised not to see Aikijujutsu here as well. I teach it to children (10-12 years : the older ones go with the adults) and very much emphasise self defense as in "he grabs you and want to slap you" or "he pushes you with both arms" or "threatens you by grabbing your collar" wich are very common beginnings of fights. Grabbing an arm is also very common against women like in "come with me in that dark corner". Knowing how to get out of a grip is practical self defense, throwing high kicks not so much.
Honestly, I was pretty torn between Hapkido and Aikijujutsu. I ended up going with Hapkido because of the dynamic kicking element of it, but I think Aikijujutsu would slot in just as well - especially for people who maybe don't care about developing kicking ability.
I think the problem with most karate gyms is that focus to much on defending against karate attacks like the reverse punch,rather then spending time dealing with real world punches…Also they kinda focus to much on kata and it’s application making it difficult to get in sparring and conditioning making it longer to get better at self defense,I’m at karateka mysekf,best way to train a new student is to teach the fighting techniques first THEN later they can learn kata and bunkai,back when karate was in Okinawa it only had 5 to 4 kata,…karate is effective….but most schools do not want to teach it at its roots or evolve including the ones in okinawa.
@AyeJordan7 I agree kyokushin is a prime example of how effective karate could be if kumite had more emphasis. At my goju school we practice full contact randori sparring(kumite techniques with grappling and throws)
@@Gojukid that’s amazing!!most karate schools barely do any grappling which is weird to me bc it’s a self defense art,to me arts like that are meant to evolve so it can fit into modern day society.not one fight video u see online dosnt have grappling,it dosnt have to be bjj perfect but atleast acknowledge it
The reason Karate is under rated is because the dangerous techniques have been weeded-out or simply just forbidden , for obvious reasons, for instance me-tsuki (eye gouging) or kinteki/groin kicking (or groin grabbing).
So Panantukan is basically "New School Pugilism"with emphasis on quantity instead of quality we were taught "Boxing for the ring" Sport Pugilism and "Boxing for the streets" Combat Pugilism which included some knees, some stomp\stop kicks, some foot stomps, head butts and hitting with everything past the shoulder, Plus some basic grappling defense with post, frames, & shucks, some grappling from the clinch which included arm locks, with hip and shoulder throws, and none of our kicks went above the groin, With emphasis on speed and precision at a singular point of destruction and a lot of our techniques utilized open hands so we wouldn't get in trouble with the laws and we could claim I didn't use my boxing, Also we were told to never go to the ground
All martial arts work if you train against resistance. I used to think traditional martial arts were garbage because I got a lot more useful things from wrestling. Then I started training JKD and MMA. I noticed that some of the weirder postures from my Kung Fu and Karate forms were popping up in my wrestling and grappling. Then I started dabbling with Bagua Jian and as soon as I was taught the ‘’snake form’’ I recognized exactly what it is. You are defending a single leg takedown and using under hooks to stand up and establish a clinch. You will never be able to use it training the way they do now but if you cross train a traditional martial art and a modern one you’ll surprise your training partners with a lot of useful stuff that they have never seen before.
Muay Chaiya (or any Muay Boran styles) has open hands to grab and/or counter and I like using open hands a lot. This is definitely something I would encourage trying, but I’m a huge traditionalist. Kung Fu gets a bad rep because many fake “masters” faced Xu XiaoDong and these people know more modern wushu (which is more performative gymnastics and no fighting aspect), while the good teachers are in villages and don’t do flashy moves. I also learned many MMA fighters use traditional pose training. I am curious what you think of Okinawan karate styles (Goju Ryu, Shorin Ryu, Uechi Ryu, etc.) on its own based on your expertise and research.
Personally I think the Okinawan styles are a lot more effective than they first appear, and when they place more of an emphasis on clinch rather than point style striking, they’re VERY effective in fighting.
You're my favorite martial arts analyst. "Just run away", yea that's great if you're an Olympic sprinter or your opponent is a 400 lbs. blob and you can just walk away, but in these cases, why run? This idea does not work with people like me, I have bad legs (old age) and can't really run, so I have to rely on my hands, upper body strength and skill to deal with any problem and of course there is always "verbal judo" to deal with lower IQ people!
I don't think the lower IQ ones respond to reason. They're usually the more violent ones. When we [humans] can't solve a problem with thinking then we often turn to violence heh. Violence is literally the dumbest way to solve problems xD
@@CombatSelfDefense I would agree only because most of us don't run regularly or take care of ourselves well enough for that. I think quite a bit of us also do not know the areas we travel well enough for that. How many of us only know what the insides of our car, houses, or places of business look like? Or even how long it would take us to walk to some of the places we go to on a weekly basis? Running away isn't necessarily bad advice. The only problem is that we don't train it the like we train confronting people. Heck while we're at it do we even train how to de-escalate situations? That's a skill we could definitely build up.
How do you feel about Greco-Roman wrestling? My list so far is Muay Thai or similar for striking and basic clinching, Greco-Roman Wrestling, enough BJJ to get up off the ground quickly should I find myself there, and a few throws from Judo or similar. I would also add something like Filipino martial arts for weapons but wouldn't focus as much on it - I know it's not necessarily "self-defense" but "a good defense is a strong offense" and I'd like to have the option, just in case lol. To be fair, I do carry pepper spray on me everywhere I go lol
Like this list- well thought out. Where does one train in any of these? Just saying some of these aren't ready to find qualified training in. The only reason i didn't train in hapkido is because my lack of confidence in the grappling side of the training. The striking side isn't that good compared to other arts. Your thoughts on this make sense to me. I've not trained in this so please... no one get offended. The videos online don't instill confidence in its realistic abilities. Currently train in shotokan and goju ryu. Very long route to realistic abilities, but having trained in tkd classic, and judo i understand how to make the training effective.
All Martial Arts work in real life self defense as long as they incorporate Striking, Grappling and Weapons combined and are able to flow in one into other. I just don't favor sport systems that focus in one thing only like Boxing =punching, TKD=Kicking, BJJ=Ground Grappling, Judo=Throwing...
It's nice to learn more about unpopular martial arts but Hapkido and Point / Traditional Karate are more approachable than the other three. Additionally, talking about effective Chinese martial arts, Sanda should be mentioned
@@CombatSelfDefense it's just when they play in publice, literally in the street circles that everyone is allowed to attend. It's called "Roda de Rua". The thing is you don't really know when something might pop off. You'll see two guys playing then the next thing you know someone is on top of the other throwing punches and elbows. It can get wild. If attending those types of events doesn't boost your situational awareness then I don't know what will.
This is certainly an interesting list, but I think you’ve chosen mostly subsystems and niche martial arts, with none of them having a particularly strong base in the three ranges of combat. I would recommend subbing out capoeira or taido for something like judo or boxing.
@@CombatSelfDefense You are sarcastic. I hope you find it. If you are close to Newbury Park, CA at all... There is an instructor who teaches the system at the Borchard Community center on Thursdays at 8Pm.
@@CombatSelfDefense Ah! The state of FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOM (and high temperatures). I'm sure you will find a lead. It's been around since 1951 and they tended to intermingle with DanZanRyu Jiujutsu guys back in the day... isn't that the style that's the JU in Kajukenbo?
What kind of grappling or wrestling martial art that is not bjj that use their hands and arms to attack, grapple,and won’t let go like an animal with a really strong sharp bite.
Hapkido seem like it would be effective. It is a well rounded martial arts. There's punching,kicking and ground fighting. Obviously not as much as BJJ but still enough to help you if your taken to the ground. I wanted a martial arts that had striking and ground fighting defense I would pick Hapkido.
Hapkido is based from a philosophical perapective. Application-wise, it's a shitshow. Varies completely between schools it seems. luckily, i trained at a really good hapkido school that approached it more like mma. Unfortunately, it seems like that was a hiddem gem of a hkd school. Gongkwon yusul seems like it largely addresses many common complaints that hapkido has....hard to find a school tho
no single martial arts works in real world self defense. it never works.the only one that works is the MIXED "martial arts.the ones refer to as MMA. thats not a "sport" like what you normally deem it to be. just because it is being used in competition like UFC, dont make it a mere sport. the sports competitions simply put that system to STRESS and HONE it to effectiveness. so, the ONLY THING that works in real world situations, whether that is should be lethal or not, is MMA , which is consisting of BASICS of judo/jujitsu/graplings, and the BASICS of KICK BOXING. thats it. simplicity. if you need to "disable" an opponent without harming them, when they aggres towards you, you simply close the gap and clinch, like those in boxing rings. hugging. thats it. no need some unique martials arts with some "do" suffix for that solution. the BASICS will work. every single martial arts that has some fancy "stance" and "dancing" will REVERT to MMA in real situation. its just gimmicks. for example, indonesian "pencak silat". its just a "bullshido" at best.
@@alphaomega154 you're funny. Because, MMA as you put it IS derived from the traditional martial arts before it. And if you pay attention a lot of the higher level fighters came from TMA backgrounds and you see more and more of those "fancy/gimmicky" moves popping up in MMA. Rose Namaunuez trained some FMA before she took on Wei Lei, Toney Ferguson was known to step outside the box with what he trained. Having a good 1 2 double leg is great. But what happens when someone has an answer for that? What happens when you're in waist deep water so pulling guard ain't a good idea. I think you should go look into the history and culture of different MAs and see what brough them about and why they developed the way that they did. And also keep in mind that not that long ago the entire world was much more dangerous than it is now and people threw hands more regularly than today. MAs were pressure tested in daily life than in the cage. Here's the thing basics are the core they are the foundation. But you're supposed to build from there. Stuff like silat and such came from basics and grew to become what they are now. You can see the same with BJJ it's not the same art that it was 20yrs ago. Wrestling has a lot of fancy moves. Muay Thai has a plethora of fancy moves as well as boxing. All of them are effective apart as well as together. The fancy stuff came about when everyone became accustomed to the basics and they needed to adapt to beat people that adapted to them.
@@adhyjc8 while it was originally to identify an athlete that is of MULTIPLE martial arts beckground, the BASIC known MMA system of todays basically just the combination of 2 : WRESTLING AND KICK BOXING. these are NOT martial arts. these are HAND TO HAND COMBAT SYSTEM even EXISTED in the medieval era in europe long before the european ever heard of karate. MMA is by ESSENCE is the most BASIC functional hand to hand COMBAT that requires no discipline but EFFECTIVENESS. which gotten from training. not from following certain discipline of stance etc. from sparring(all combat apparatus in ancient times all over the world practice this), or to do dummy targets. like sandbags punching. no standing in llne doing dancing(kata) and craps. basically learn BY DOING IT. instead of philosophize. it is based on SPORT, since for combat it was treated as sport in ancient military. thats why IT IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL. NO GIMMICKS.
I love your reasoning in this video. I've always loved point Karate simply because it brings me joy to train it. Your reasoning for its applicability to self defense really changed my perspective on it.
Muay Chaiya practitioners will be beaten by modern Muay Thai 99.9% of the time. The body mechanic of many moves in Muay Chaiya are questionable especially the weird kick with low impact.
@@CombatSelfDefense Muay Chaiya has been never been battle tested either. There's no hard sparring. The art itself was developed after our warring era. Some guards are useful and many moves are beautiful(but useless to pull off in a self-defense or competition). Another problem is there are so few legit masters most of them are self-proclaimed without evidence of the lineage unlike Gracie Bjj. In my humble opinion, just go for modern Muay Thai.
To be honest with you and I am going to tell you the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I hate brutality boxing 🥊🥊and I hate brutality boxers in general
What's punching your brother and I got your wife have to do with self-defense your wife will not hurt you hopefully neither will your brother hopefully
The thing about shuai jiao Is it actually proves that traditional Kung Fu styles can be used for fighting, the thing is there's really no significant difference between it and other chinese martial arts, They have forms/taolu/kata that are just as expansive and elaborate as other chinese martial arts, Literally the only difference is that they learn to use it for wrestling and to learn throws and take downs and they Pressure test them and sparring and wrestling matches. It really proves that you can use forms this way and there's really no reason why other kung fu styles can’t start using their stuff in more similar practical ways either, just sayin' 🤷
That "how would I fix Hapkido" topic seems like a good idea to expand on in a separate video.
Now we’re cookin
Honestly I find Hapkido so interesting. I do sambo and wrestling and when I get older I might dabble in some Hapkido. I also find Tang Soo Do to be very interesting as well. Would love for you to make some Hapkido vids
Hapkido is one of the best and complete martial arts 🥋 ever created. It offers response for every situation
Besides the ones that everyone lists, mine now includes:
-Bajiquan
-Pencak Silat
-Savate
-52 Blocks
-Taido
Can you explain why you say taido?
@@CombatSelfDefense Although I haven't practiced it technically, I just see that the body mechanics and the skills it develops would make someone ridiculously agile and acrobatic, they'll develop decent distance management, really good control over their body, and if they do deliver strikes, they're delivered with their entire body.
Basically, although its somewhat of a gimmicky martial art, it'll develop some very useful attributes to help someone run away, avoid damage, and deliver exceptionally powerful strikes when needed (It looks like the love child of Capoeira and Karate, but done in a way that makes the attributes of both better).
These are all the ones that also tend to pop up in my head as underrated.
Dude pencak silat is to general it's like you saying kungfu without specific style
@@4321-q4z Silat Suffian Bela Diri and Kali Majapahit
Good list. I do think that any martial art can be more effective in a fight if, and this is the major caveat, the school includes some form of controlled contact sparring. Being hit can teach you a lot about how to apply what you've learned. There are plenty of MMA fighters who demonstrate that Wing Chun or Taekwondo tools can be quite effective in the hands of a skilled fighter.
Agreed.
Wing Chun definitely has some uses in self defense, I think
Muay Chaiya is a good option for the street and also the cage and ring. If you go to sport that includes Small gloves like Combat sambo and headbuts muay chaiya is a very good base in striking and some grappling. In my muay chaiya school we did a lot of sparring. And that is the key of everything, doing sparring.
Thumbs up for pointing out “just run away” !
Appreciate it!
Great Episode!!
My evolution from 8 years old started with sport karate and sport jujitsu. Now at 56 with some pretty significant injuries and a disability I have settled with Hapkido, Catch Wrestling, Panantukan and a dash of old school combatives. The Panantukan is great for striking, Hapkido for standing grappling and Catch for the unfortunate moments I have to go to the ground. Their also my fun favorites to practice.
Thanks!!
Some of the best words you ever said. Out of around 25 street fights in my life, only around 2 necessitated serious violence rather than physical deesculation. I've trained in all sorts, but mostly I've used grip breaks, standing chokes, and strong pushes (as well as body/head movement to avoid being hit by surprise strikes by fists and weapons). Self defense isn't one on one, and indeed approaching a fight like that just escalates things very rapidly. Yep. Just run away is bs. My only 'failure' in self defense was running away. Both guys chased, takled me to the floor, and I was done. One beat me while the other one was on top.
For the mobility aspect I find American Kickboxing and Boxe Français more useful just because you don't have to do light contact. I've seen many point competitors not be able to do meaningful damage while striking when having to because they're conditioned not to. I like Shuai Jiao, but it is just standing throws, no pins, or groundfighting. Panantukan I've learned the Inosanto system and Pekiti Tersia system both require having a foundation in Boxing and Greco-Roman Wrestling to truly take advantage of its drills.
I think training for self-defense is more about having the right coach and mindset who is looking at the techniques for that kind of practicality than it is the specific art that you're drawing from.
But, in the spirit of your video, if we're talking about arts that might have surprising self-defense value -- I'd put taijitsu/ninjitsu on the list (if you have a serious instructor, not a goofball grifter) because its such a great blend of dirty striking, movement, and stand up grappling. Hardy Quest from North Carolina has great self-defense applications at his ninjitsu school.
I'd also put WWII-era combatives (anything from Douglas Fairbairn) on the list. Its like Krav Maga's hard core grandfather. It was made to teach people of all sizes in a short training period (weeks, maybe months at most).
Great picks.
Hey, as you mentioned Muay chaiya, can you make a video on Muay lerdrit?
I practiced hapkido, for me, as a base martial art, is A tier, once you have a good base on it, you can pretty much go to a shotokan class, to a kiokushin class, to a bjj or judo class, and be rolling in a really short time. With western disciplines is true is harder to adapt. That was my experience with later doing bjj and kickboxing. Btw yes we learn techniques like grabbing fingers(we train grip streghent) and for example are great when somebody gets you in a rear choke. And wristlocks are surprisingly easily when you are doing ne waza xD. Check also taekkyon, they have a quite solid grappling usually.
If you mensioned point karate, you could also take into consideration point Taekwondo or maybe ift taekwondo...this art is the best at distance control and keeping the opponent at distance while striking him. Capoeira also does a similar job. I can tell you that almost all martial arts are underrated, they get a bad reputation due to the shitty practitioners that we have today. Anyway this was still a good video with good systems mensioned, especially those of Thailand and Philippines or Indonesia. Most Kung fu styles can really work well for mortal kombat modalities, but never for sport combat.
You really know, how to make videos 'bout this topic. Good work again
Thank you, I appreciate it
The first rule of being a ninja is to do no harm. Unless you mean to do harm, then do lots of harm.
I’m glad you got that.
Running will work, the reason most people say it doesn't is because when you go into flight mode you also tend to just run hoping you'll get away, but if you run and instead of running needlessly to get away plan to run into the nearest pub, shop, if possible a crowded area you may still get caught but there will be witnesses and cctv, having said that I have done different martial arts since 1981 and practice shotokan karate all arts have there good and bad points for self defence it's better to know something than not, I haven't been in many street fights but the 1s I have been in the simple techniques are what works just my experience
I read somewhere that in most cases of self defence the defender knows the attacker, so I fully agree with the approach that you don't really want to beat the attacker up until he can't get up anymore...
Exactly.
I don't give a d@mn if I know you or not. If you put your d@mn hands on Me in violence you have risked murdering Me purposefully or accidentally.
And I will not allow that.
Don't like that? Don't
strike Me or try to. 😂
Awesome learned a lot from this. Nice seeing fresh answers to this topic
I love that you added point karate. The timing and distance management is all there and most places allow a fair bit of contact to at least know what has a high success rate (offensively and defensively) for the practitioner. Cool list overall as well.
In Hung Gar a block is a strike.
Your type of realistic talk and approach suits me best, exactly just the thing that I am looking for in the sea of Martial Artists and Self Defense Combat channels I see in UA-cam every single day. Subscribed!
bring us more please...thanks in advance.
I’ll do my best!
I was just beginning to look into Panantukan; would be curious to hear more about it, especially form your perspective since you practice Bang Muay Thai. I'm curious about both those systems so a comparison would be interesting to me.
Maybe I’ll make a video on it.
This was really enjoyable! I had missed your content.
None of the Arts you mentioned at the start that others often recommend would I recommend...."maybe" Krav Maga but definitely not the others. Nice list you did and you did include Pnanatukan which is a part of FMA which is the one I would suggest most. Navy Seal Pat Tray said it best...no one system is complete but Kali comes the closest
Way to have a different perspective and make great points as to why there are other good arts for self defense besides boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling and bjj - which is so true
From a historical perspective. The "grab my wrist" martial arts make a lot more sense when you are carrying a sword. An attacker in that scenario has a very good reason to grab your wrist/arm and not let go when you start moving. To keep you from drawing your sword and stabbing him.
There is some good stuff in there for people that carry firearms, especially in the open, like cops or security.
I actually address that in my aikido video.
Thanks for making this and addressing the “in the Cage,” argument head on! Also, I saw this right after your Black Belt BS (paraphrase) video and I also appreciate that one, perhaps more. Cheers!
Thanks for the support!
I would vote for Shorinji Kempo. They are really good at groin kicks and wrist looks.
That’s a good one too.
Great video brother! I may do a reaction short to it. I really enjoyed this one great info keep em coming!
Would love to see it!
This was introspective, and I love it. Nuanced opening. Here for it.
I personally think Okinawan karate and Bajiquan can make someone pretty decent.
Shui Jiao is dope but I doubt we finding it out in the states.
I didnt expect you to mention Hapkido.
Yoseikan Budo is a traditional, self defence oriented, fully hybrid MA. Judo, Karate, Kenjutsu, Sumo, Kobudo, western boxing and wrestling, aikido. It aims at re-creating what samurai’s were. It looks something like Kudo, but it’s more well rounded. I tried it and loved it.
In my personal opinion, the following are underrated:
1) High School Wrestling
2) Karate if it teaches old school clinch fighting, close range strikes (elbows & knees), throws and takedowns
3) Judo, again old school Judo not necessarily Olympic Judo
4) HEMA if it includes European wrestling and grappling with daggers
5) Sumo
Good selection of underrated systems. I feel hapkido doesn’t get enough love.
Same.
Tai chi push hands also comes very close to Shuai Jiao in its sparring/competitive format, the difference is largely in the approach, biomechanics and the inclusion of pushes/body checks. The problem of course is that the majority of Tai chi schools don't even spar/compete, and even if they do compete, the talent pool is very small and skew towards an older demographic.
Alright teacher, your channel is very good. Panantukan or pangamut is a great martial art, it covers aspects of boxing with elbows, knees and low kicks, as well as different forms of attack with the hands such as heel of the hand, hammer punch, etc. In addition to the grappling part that consists of immobilizations on the ground, takedowns and joint locks. The issue is the school that teaches this martial art and not the art itself. The problem with many schools is that they focus too much on weapons and not enough physical fighting sparring. At school in my country there is a big emphasis on full contact sparring and before that basic western boxing is taught. The various techniques that you see on UA-cam videos with various strikes are for pure demonstration, on the streets there are a maximum of 5 strikes that are used.

What about bajiquan? I keep hearing that its Quite effective. Not sure how true that is because it seems they only use linear movement but a baijie Quan. Master said that it's actually zigzag zag.
Bajiquan is a great style and gives you strong structure while using your entire body as a weapon.
Bajiquan is cool, but I haven’t seen too much of it in real time.
@@CombatSelfDefense if you’re able to travel, go to NYC and check out WuTan NJ under Vincent Mei. He’s a great Baji teacher
I think the question that needs to be asked is what is the effectiveness of both pushing and pulling while striking at the same time. With Chinese martial arts there's an idea that it's hard to land a good hit if your unbalanced. The idea of most Chinese martial arts is to attack your body as a unit. Needless to say it's good to mix traditional arts with sport arts to learn different ways to use your body.
I do Mantis Kung fu but the system i follow incorporates Shuai Jiao as well my Sigung trained under Bu Enfu this double national champion in Boxing and Wrestling in China. There are videos of him teaching a seminar tossing people twice his size but of course people will give the ole its fake or choreographed comments.
My top 5 are
-HEMA
-52 Blocks
-Bajiquan
-Yaw Yan
-Defendu
Those are good choices
All styles will work if you spar against resistance and uncooperative opponents long enough. Run away? Once it starts don't stop until he can't continue. Why just defend against weapons? If its worth fighting (i. e. real self defence) defend Using Weapons. (I study Combative Arnis).
Although i study H2H ,its pretty much wishful thinking that no weapons will be involved in real SD situations.
I mean I hear about the styles jus spar but alot of wing chun ppl spar but still get beat up,bc most of the strikes they defend against are Kung Fu strikes.strikes u will never see in the real world bc the majority r untrained.they have a hard time dealing with hooks,I would say line up your martial art WITH the real world attacks,
Muay Chaiya, I would love to train is this style, but never heard of a training school here in the US
I was very surprised not to see Aikijujutsu here as well. I teach it to children (10-12 years : the older ones go with the adults) and very much emphasise self defense as in "he grabs you and want to slap you" or "he pushes you with both arms" or "threatens you by grabbing your collar" wich are very common beginnings of fights.
Grabbing an arm is also very common against women like in "come with me in that dark corner". Knowing how to get out of a grip is practical self defense, throwing high kicks not so much.
Honestly, I was pretty torn between Hapkido and Aikijujutsu. I ended up going with Hapkido because of the dynamic kicking element of it, but I think Aikijujutsu would slot in just as well - especially for people who maybe don't care about developing kicking ability.
I think karate is honestly very underrated. Styles like Goju ryu Uechi Ryu or even ashihara those styles are legit if trained properly.
I think the problem with most karate gyms is that focus to much on defending against karate attacks like the reverse punch,rather then spending time dealing with real world punches…Also they kinda focus to much on kata and it’s application making it difficult to get in sparring and conditioning making it longer to get better at self defense,I’m at karateka mysekf,best way to train a new student is to teach the fighting techniques first THEN later they can learn kata and bunkai,back when karate was in Okinawa it only had 5 to 4 kata,…karate is effective….but most schools do not want to teach it at its roots or evolve including the ones in okinawa.
@AyeJordan7 I agree kyokushin is a prime example of how effective karate could be if kumite had more emphasis. At my goju school we practice full contact randori sparring(kumite techniques with grappling and throws)
@@Gojukid that’s amazing!!most karate schools barely do any grappling which is weird to me bc it’s a self defense art,to me arts like that are meant to evolve so it can fit into modern day society.not one fight video u see online dosnt have grappling,it dosnt have to be bjj perfect but atleast acknowledge it
The reason Karate is under rated is because the dangerous techniques have been weeded-out or simply just forbidden , for obvious reasons, for instance me-tsuki (eye gouging) or kinteki/groin kicking (or groin grabbing).
@@hagaibinsealtiel3745 it’s been proven that those moves don’t stop fights tho..
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So Panantukan is basically "New School Pugilism"with emphasis on quantity instead of quality we were taught "Boxing for the ring" Sport Pugilism and "Boxing for the streets" Combat Pugilism which included some knees, some stomp\stop kicks, some foot stomps, head butts and hitting with everything past the shoulder, Plus some basic grappling defense with post, frames, & shucks, some grappling from the clinch which included arm locks, with hip and shoulder throws, and none of our kicks went above the groin, With emphasis on speed and precision at a singular point of destruction and a lot of our techniques utilized open hands so we wouldn't get in trouble with the laws and we could claim I didn't use my boxing, Also we were told to never go to the ground
When it comes to the “never go to the ground,” adage, I’ve learned the answer is usually “can you help it?”
All martial arts work if you train against resistance. I used to think traditional martial arts were garbage because I got a lot more useful things from wrestling. Then I started training JKD and MMA. I noticed that some of the weirder postures from my Kung Fu and Karate forms were popping up in my wrestling and grappling. Then I started dabbling with Bagua Jian and as soon as I was taught the ‘’snake form’’ I recognized exactly what it is. You are defending a single leg takedown and using under hooks to stand up and establish a clinch. You will never be able to use it training the way they do now but if you cross train a traditional martial art and a modern one you’ll surprise your training partners with a lot of useful stuff that they have never seen before.
Muay Chaiya (or any Muay Boran styles) has open hands to grab and/or counter and I like using open hands a lot. This is definitely something I would encourage trying, but I’m a huge traditionalist.
Kung Fu gets a bad rep because many fake “masters” faced Xu XiaoDong and these people know more modern wushu (which is more performative gymnastics and no fighting aspect), while the good teachers are in villages and don’t do flashy moves. I also learned many MMA fighters use traditional pose training.
I am curious what you think of Okinawan karate styles (Goju Ryu, Shorin Ryu, Uechi Ryu, etc.) on its own based on your expertise and research.
Personally I think the Okinawan styles are a lot more effective than they first appear, and when they place more of an emphasis on clinch rather than point style striking, they’re VERY effective in fighting.
You're my favorite martial arts analyst. "Just run away", yea that's great if you're an Olympic sprinter or your opponent is a 400 lbs. blob and you can just walk away, but in these cases, why run? This idea does not work with people like me, I have bad legs (old age) and can't really run, so I have to rely on my hands, upper body strength and skill to deal with any problem and of course there is always "verbal judo" to deal with lower IQ people!
Appreciate that!
And yeah, “just run away” is awful advice
I don't think the lower IQ ones respond to reason. They're usually the more violent ones. When we [humans] can't solve a problem with thinking then we often turn to violence heh. Violence is literally the dumbest way to solve problems xD
@@CombatSelfDefense I would agree only because most of us don't run regularly or take care of ourselves well enough for that. I think quite a bit of us also do not know the areas we travel well enough for that. How many of us only know what the insides of our car, houses, or places of business look like? Or even how long it would take us to walk to some of the places we go to on a weekly basis? Running away isn't necessarily bad advice. The only problem is that we don't train it the like we train confronting people. Heck while we're at it do we even train how to de-escalate situations? That's a skill we could definitely build up.
How do you feel about Greco-Roman wrestling?
My list so far is Muay Thai or similar for striking and basic clinching, Greco-Roman Wrestling, enough BJJ to get up off the ground quickly should I find myself there, and a few throws from Judo or similar. I would also add something like Filipino martial arts for weapons but wouldn't focus as much on it - I know it's not necessarily "self-defense" but "a good defense is a strong offense" and I'd like to have the option, just in case lol. To be fair, I do carry pepper spray on me everywhere I go lol
Definitely have mad respect for Greco Roman. Wish it was easier to find.
muitai is brutal. They keep it simple, and no hollywood stuff.
Like this list- well thought out.
Where does one train in any of these? Just saying some of these aren't ready to find qualified training in.
The only reason i didn't train in hapkido is because my lack of confidence in the grappling side of the training. The striking side isn't that good compared to other arts. Your thoughts on this make sense to me. I've not trained in this so please... no one get offended. The videos online don't instill confidence in its realistic abilities.
Currently train in shotokan and goju ryu. Very long route to realistic abilities, but having trained in tkd classic, and judo i understand how to make the training effective.
Hapkido is definitely hit or miss, but you gotta find the right school.
Which is true of all systems
All Martial Arts work in real life self defense as long as they incorporate Striking, Grappling and Weapons combined and are able to flow in one into other. I just don't favor sport systems that focus in one thing only like Boxing =punching, TKD=Kicking, BJJ=Ground Grappling, Judo=Throwing...
It's nice to learn more about unpopular martial arts but Hapkido and Point / Traditional Karate are more approachable than the other three. Additionally, talking about effective Chinese martial arts, Sanda should be mentioned
The problem with that is, for this video, Sanda is NOT underrated. I respect it, but it’s definitely the preeminent Chinese martial art
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This is solid
I'm ready for the hate. I submit to you Capoeira! Specifically street Capoeira.
2 days and no hate haha. Can you tell me more about street capoeira?
@@CombatSelfDefense it's just when they play in publice, literally in the street circles that everyone is allowed to attend. It's called "Roda de Rua". The thing is you don't really know when something might pop off. You'll see two guys playing then the next thing you know someone is on top of the other throwing punches and elbows. It can get wild. If attending those types of events doesn't boost your situational awareness then I don't know what will.
Seidokan Aikido ☯️
My list of martial arts that could be good against and untrained attacker is:
KEYSI FIGHTING METHOD
CAPOEIRA
TAIDO
TAEKKION
PIGUA ZHANG
JEET KUNE DO
This is certainly an interesting list, but I think you’ve chosen mostly subsystems and niche martial arts, with none of them having a particularly strong base in the three ranges of combat.
I would recommend subbing out capoeira or taido for something like judo or boxing.
The bottom line is if you teach it right, it will work.
Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu.
I would have gone with that but I wanted a kick focused art as well.
For me. Best is Krav maga.
But im huge fan of
Savate
Capoeira
Tanglang quan
But for you and your video i have
Allkampf-jitsu
Do you know that?
I do not. Tell me about it.
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I feel like only old heads from the 70s ever talk about Ketsugo Jiujutsu 😢.
You’re subtle. I’ll look into it.
@@CombatSelfDefense You are sarcastic. I hope you find it.
If you are close to Newbury Park, CA at all... There is an instructor who teaches the system at the Borchard Community center on Thursdays at 8Pm.
I’m in Texas, unfortunately. But I’ll do some internet digging.
@@CombatSelfDefense Ah! The state of FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOM (and high temperatures).
I'm sure you will find a lead. It's been around since 1951 and they tended to intermingle with DanZanRyu Jiujutsu guys back in the day... isn't that the style that's the JU in Kajukenbo?
@@PhilipAJones sure is.
Folkstyle Wrestling
Kali
Combat Sambo
Kodokan Judo
Gracie Jiu Jitsu
What kind of grappling or wrestling martial art that is not bjj that use their hands and arms to attack, grapple,and won’t let go like an animal with a really strong sharp bite.
Tbh how many trained fighters are you planning to fight on the street?
I think panantukan is a very very effective way of self protection
The was Kru Pol. I thought she looked familiar.
I just begin muay boran …. I think it has the same approach than letwei
Silat & kajukenbo
I tend to not consider kajukenbo underrated since it’s such a mixed bag and depends highly on the instructor’s individual training.
I'm about to start taking silat
Hapkido seem like it would be effective. It is a well rounded martial arts. There's punching,kicking and ground fighting. Obviously not as much as BJJ but still enough to help you if your taken to the ground. I wanted a martial arts that had striking and ground fighting defense I would pick Hapkido.
I haven’t seen any ground work from hapkido. Do you have any videos you can link?
Underrated martial arts:
1. Daido juku karate(kudo)
2. Ashihara Karate
3. Shidokan karate
4. Seidokaikan karate
5. Machida karate
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I think it’s important to separate “underrated” from “under represented.”
@@CombatSelfDefense good point
"Point karate isn't about fighting, but neither is self-defense."
That's it. That's combat self defense boiled down to its core concept.
Sure is
Hapkido works if they get hardcore training ie look at the Flower Knights Hwa Rang Do.
I’ve never heard of them.
@@CombatSelfDefense in California and Arizona. The son of the founder had a youtube channel.
I think okinawan karate is pretty cool and westren boxing and judo and others
Yeah but those martial arts aren’t underrated.
Judo, silat, sambo, batista
I love martial arts and in the future create a martial arts UA-cam Channel
Let me know when you do. Would love to see what you create.
Do you know about butthan?
The biggest problem with any of these is just finding a gym.
Hapkido is based from a philosophical perapective. Application-wise, it's a shitshow. Varies completely between schools it seems. luckily, i trained at a really good hapkido school that approached it more like mma. Unfortunately, it seems like that was a hiddem gem of a hkd school. Gongkwon yusul seems like it largely addresses many common complaints that hapkido has....hard to find a school tho
Just run doesn't really cut it compare with stomp foot and run.
What if that doesn’t work
Point Karate will make you win at matches.
I hate everything about brutality boxers and I hate anything about brutality boxers in general
As a judoka I find Shuai jiao amazing. Makes me wish the Chinese government spread it around the world
I’m surprised they don’t.
I hate everything about brutality boxing 🥊 🥊 and I hate anything about brutality boxing
no single martial arts works in real world self defense. it never works.the only one that works is the MIXED "martial arts.the ones refer to as MMA. thats not a "sport" like what you normally deem it to be. just because it is being used in competition like UFC, dont make it a mere sport. the sports competitions simply put that system to STRESS and HONE it to effectiveness.
so, the ONLY THING that works in real world situations, whether that is should be lethal or not, is MMA , which is consisting of BASICS of judo/jujitsu/graplings, and the BASICS of KICK BOXING. thats it. simplicity.
if you need to "disable" an opponent without harming them, when they aggres towards you, you simply close the gap and clinch, like those in boxing rings. hugging. thats it. no need some unique martials arts with some "do" suffix for that solution. the BASICS will work.
every single martial arts that has some fancy "stance" and "dancing" will REVERT to MMA in real situation. its just gimmicks. for example, indonesian "pencak silat". its just a "bullshido" at best.
@@alphaomega154 you're funny. Because, MMA as you put it IS derived from the traditional martial arts before it. And if you pay attention a lot of the higher level fighters came from TMA backgrounds and you see more and more of those "fancy/gimmicky" moves popping up in MMA. Rose Namaunuez trained some FMA before she took on Wei Lei, Toney Ferguson was known to step outside the box with what he trained. Having a good 1 2 double leg is great. But what happens when someone has an answer for that? What happens when you're in waist deep water so pulling guard ain't a good idea. I think you should go look into the history and culture of different MAs and see what brough them about and why they developed the way that they did. And also keep in mind that not that long ago the entire world was much more dangerous than it is now and people threw hands more regularly than today. MAs were pressure tested in daily life than in the cage.
Here's the thing basics are the core they are the foundation. But you're supposed to build from there. Stuff like silat and such came from basics and grew to become what they are now. You can see the same with BJJ it's not the same art that it was 20yrs ago. Wrestling has a lot of fancy moves. Muay Thai has a plethora of fancy moves as well as boxing. All of them are effective apart as well as together. The fancy stuff came about when everyone became accustomed to the basics and they needed to adapt to beat people that adapted to them.
@@adhyjc8 while it was originally to identify an athlete that is of MULTIPLE martial arts beckground, the BASIC known MMA system of todays basically just the combination of 2 : WRESTLING AND KICK BOXING. these are NOT martial arts. these are HAND TO HAND COMBAT SYSTEM even EXISTED in the medieval era in europe long before the european ever heard of karate.
MMA is by ESSENCE is the most BASIC functional hand to hand COMBAT that requires no discipline but EFFECTIVENESS. which gotten from training. not from following certain discipline of stance etc. from sparring(all combat apparatus in ancient times all over the world practice this), or to do dummy targets. like sandbags punching. no standing in llne doing dancing(kata) and craps. basically learn BY DOING IT. instead of philosophize. it is based on SPORT, since for combat it was treated as sport in ancient military. thats why IT IS FULLY FUNCTIONAL. NO GIMMICKS.
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Says no weapons but mentions kali
I love your reasoning in this video. I've always loved point Karate simply because it brings me joy to train it. Your reasoning for its applicability to self defense really changed my perspective on it.
What about Yellow Bamboo.just kidding Bro
Yeah because no one practices them how they should Kung Fu works it's just not practiced in a way that I allow it to work
Hapkido is a bit to much like kook sool won. The Scientology of martial arts.
Can you explain that?
@@CombatSelfDefense well Scientology is a cult that’s quite expensive to join and believes some things I would consider unrealistic.
@@CombatSelfDefense well Scientology is an expensive cult with some crazy ideas. KSW is a expensive mcdojo with some crazy ideas.
Muay Chaiya practitioners will be beaten by modern Muay Thai 99.9% of the time. The body mechanic of many moves in Muay Chaiya are questionable especially the weird kick with low impact.
There’s definitely things to be worked on.
@@CombatSelfDefense Muay Chaiya has been never been battle tested either. There's no hard sparring. The art itself was developed after our warring era. Some guards are useful and many moves are beautiful(but useless to pull off in a self-defense or competition). Another problem is there are so few legit masters most of them are self-proclaimed without evidence of the lineage unlike Gracie Bjj. In my humble opinion, just go for modern Muay Thai.
To be honest with you and I am going to tell you the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I hate brutality boxing 🥊🥊and I hate brutality boxers in general
What's punching your brother and I got your wife have to do with self-defense your wife will not hurt you hopefully neither will your brother hopefully
I study hapkido but we practice grappling joint locks in sparring and by the way who gives a fuk bout ufc crap
Lots of people. It’s the fastest growing sport in the world, actually.
The thing about shuai jiao Is it actually proves that traditional Kung Fu styles can be used for fighting, the thing is there's really no significant difference between it and other chinese martial arts, They have forms/taolu/kata that are just as expansive and elaborate as other chinese martial arts, Literally the only difference is that they learn to use it for wrestling and to learn throws and take downs and they Pressure test them and sparring and wrestling matches. It really proves that you can use forms this way and there's really no reason why other kung fu styles can’t start using their stuff in more similar practical ways either, just sayin' 🤷
That’s a good point.
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