Lol are ICE car better? They are containing hundreds of small explosion per minute with many moving parts, In where I live they are down 50% after year one. Batteries are expensive now but CATL and BYD are planing to cut them down about 80% by 2030.
@@williamdavenportii764 A BEV has exactly the same maintenance except for oil changes. The BEV still has wipers, brake fluid, brakes, tires, a 12V battery and washer fluid ALL of which need to be changed, the tires are more expensive and the brake service can be challenging. I forgot the battery cooling system and A/C.
Many newer vehicles have more technology now, especially when it comes to safety, fuel economy, and infotainment systems, thus many newer vehicles need larger batteries to power those items and that's why batteries are getting more expensive now.
@markhagopian3257 I have a 2020 Honda CR-V non hybrid, and the cheapest battery I could find for my vehicle is around $200. Like I said, the more technology these vehicles have, it seems that simple stuff like car batteries get more expensive.
Mines a standard 17 larado… one battery is 160.. The other battery is about 275 or so… But that’s not as bad as the headlights needing the whole front clip off the car change.
A $45,000 repair bill if a pebble hits a car? It's fairly common to hear a pebble hit the wheel well of my gasoline-powered car while driving on normal pavement. It's not uncommon for a pebble to take flight and crack a windshield. One of Safelight's 79,000 service stations dispatches the broken window pronto and on site. If it costs tens of thousands of dollars to replace a battery pack on a Tesla Cyber Truck, then why is Tesla touting the pleasures of off-road travel? Is Tesla looking to make big bucks from the rocks that hit the car's undercarriage? Gotta wonder.
So if you took a $75k lightning and a $75k gas f150. The entire drivetrain for the gasser would cost less than $25k, when removed would leave you with a $50k shell. For the lightning the entire drivetrain would cost atleast $50k, and when removed would leave you with the same shell, same options for 25k? Ford is either shoving it in their *** on the lightnings, or theyre shoving it up the customers *** on the ecoboosts
So if you took a $75k lightning and a $75k gas f150. The entire drivetrain for the gasser would cost less than $25k, when removed would leave you with a $50k shell. For the lightning the entire drivetrain would cost atleast $50k, and when removed would leave you with the same shell, same options for 25k? Ford is either shoving it in their *** on the lightnings, or theyre shoving it up the customers *** on the ecoboosts
Indeed , its bullshit mate , what a load of bollocks , if they quote an EV range as lets say 300 miles but to look after the stupid battery you have to remove 40% from that , so suddenly the range you actually have is 180 miles .......... and then the weather changes and your range goes down another 20 or 30% ...................... seriously , these EV things are a bloody joke .
@@mikldude9376 Just like my propane heater. Rated for 20pd tank @ 4.4 days on low but in reality it gets 3.0 days on low. Speakers. 500 watt peak but you may only ever see that a few times in the life of the speaker and only if every condition is met. I say this because it really is like anything. What they claim you get and what you actually get is 2 different things. One thing I didn't think of since I wont ever own an EV is heating. Heat requires a lot of energy. So they must base this on the perfect conditions possible for their range estimates which is very misleading.
I've seen in a video in here, where I guy was on his 3rd battery repair in a Model Y iirc.... and he was being given good, but used cells for replacement. I'm sticking with my spark plugs and fuel injectors. 😂
I have been sending out lots of comments saying EV’s are not reliable, dangerous because of fires, expensive to purchase, extremely expensive to repair and not good for the environment because of the battery manufacturing and disposal concerns if the battery needs to be tossed. Everyone should get an estimate on battery replacement before purchasing an EV so they understand the future repair costs. A battery failure could make many EV’s disposable which is not good for the environment. Glad to see more utube channels are talking about this major concern. 👍
Well , half the problem is The EV sellers tend to shrug that off as "just not going to happen" , and tell the customer it will easily see out the life of the car :) , ( but how long is the useful life of that battery and car with buggerall range ?) ! The other good story is "oh , by then battery will be cheap , dont worry about it" , and this bullshit has been said all along , and have a look today , they are far from being cheap , and if you have paid extra to get a bit more range with a bigger battery , guess what , you will be paying even more when that battery requires a replacement ! EV`s are the biggest con this side of the black stump .
Warranty will not cover accidental damage. Here in Australia many outback roads are unsealed and rocks hitting under vehicle is very common. Also driving through road works can cause same issue. These battery prices means battery damage will write-off a relatively new vehicle.
Yep , and aside from that , its not uncommon to find even in the city , some sort of bit of crap that has fallen off the back of a truck or tradies vehicle that is right in the middle of the road that often you dont see until its too late . And country roads are no doubt even more prone to this , i remember one night in my old ICE car hitting a bloody big solid wombat at speed at night time , which was like hitting a boulder , had i been in an electric car , i would have real concerns that there would be battery damage .
Great video Shari 🙏 Thank you for sharing the truth about batteries. Battery technology has been stagnant for decades and the only thing that changed last decade is thermal management components on Hybrid or EV. As a whole, this concept of Hybrid and EV are disastrous. Reliable old diesel or gasoline should be recognized as the best option for consumers with brains. We have not even touched on how dangerous these batteries. No one should park their Hybrid or EV in a garage. People should look at their cellphone to understand how fast anything with batteries will get obsolete.
@@Ljbuddy12😂 You sound like a Liberal. There is enough oil and gas for all lifetime. God created it this way for us to survive just the like the oxygen we breath…will never run out.
"Battery technology has been stagnant for decades and the only thing that changed last decade is thermal management components on Hybrid or EV." Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. "There is enough oil and gas for all lifetime. God created it this way" Confirmed.
The range issues for EV's is still a problem for us. We use our vehicles for long trips often. Hybrids or full ICE is much better for us than an EV until technology catches up. Maybe when solid state batteries become a viable option?
If this type of battery technology is so expensive, you can imagine the price of the solid-state battery vehicles. Electric cars were invented over 100 years ago, but they failed. They will fail again. We are still not ready to move entirely to EVs.
I'm not sure I agree with the idea that they will fail. There is a place for them, but it's a niche. I don't believe the ICE engines we currently use will be around forever, but they will be around a LOT longer than most people think. Diesels alone will live on for the next 75-100 years. Far too much commerce is conducted with diesels as the backbone. Hard to replace these economical torque monsters. @@beamrider2972
I've been driving the same ice car since August 2008 and I've had NO reduction in range in all that time. Even if I had to replace the engine, it's still really cheap compared to replacing a battery pack.
Thank you for the objective reality regarding electric vehicles! First let me state I am not anti EV; however, I am one who looks at the true reality! An electric vehicle may operate in a green way where the car is driven and used! I owned a 2001 Honda Insight manual that never had a single battery. I would still own it if I would not have crushed my hand in 2017 and could not drive stick for more than two years. This car was far greener than any EV using electric charging. Living in Pennsylvania it is a land of temperature extremes. First there exists a loss of electric when it is transferred through electric lines. Second, here the electric is generated by fossil fuels; thereby, creating a carbon footprint greater in another area. This carbon release to produce electric is in most cases produced in an area where people are living lives at lower income levels. Thirdly, the amount of carbon resources used to produce one EV is far greater than any ICE vehicle. My everyday driver is a 1996 Honda Accord with 250k miles. That makes it 28 model years old and since I purchased it with 99k miles for $2750 at Harrisburg Auto Auction I have less then $3000 in repairs, excluding oil changes and state inspection. The total of $3000 is since 2009 when I bought the car and includes, tires, coolant changes, brakes, one axle, transmission fluid changes, one battery, new head gasket, radiator one ball joint. Fourth, vehicles can catch fire for a variety of reasons ICE vehicles can be contained in most cases and yes there is environmental damage! However, with EV vehicles the fires are extremely toxic and usually cause extreme environmental damage! In grad school I worked in body shops and sold cars for a variety of different manufactures. Most ICE vehicles can be repaired at a reasonable cost; however, even some very minor accidents with an EV can result in a total loss. The true reality is plug in electric vehicles are not the solution to our global issues. In reality electric vehicles have become a social statement for those who accept falsehoods and half truths and want simple solutions to complex problems! Electric vehicles may play a part in the future; however, they are not the answer!
Its all a scam, there is no climate crisis AT ALL ZERO. How many ice ages BEFORE humanity? The earth has and will continue to change temps with or without us. But give them some more money and eat less, travel less, have less to do your part!
Very few people are anti ev. What most people are who are against evs, are against them because the technology isn’t here yet to make them a viable alternative outside of a few niche situations. We need much better batteries where they take up much less space and can be protected better, and make their range comparable to combustion vehicles. We also need much better charging technology. And finally, no electric grid is able to support a anything near half the cars on the road being an ev. So electric grids need hundreds of billions in upgrades if not trillions depending on where you live. But the issue with this is that who do you think will pay for the upgrades? We will by paying more for electricity.
I'm anti-EV. The idea that they are eco-friendly is a sham. The charging stations aren't powered by forest elves who run on treadmills. The U.S. Energy Information Administration says that 79% of energy consumption in the United States comes from fossil fuels (natural gas, oil and coal). Another 8% is nuclear power. Total renewable energy (hydroelectric, wind, solar, biomass and wood) accounts for just 13% of "green" electric technology. Regardless of the efficiency of the battery, EVs must rely for most of their energy on fossil fuels. Battery degradation means more frequent trips to the charging kiosk or home charger, which means even greater use of fossil fuels. Don't be charmed by the look of a shiny, new EV. The problem is the batteries. The extraction and refining of lithium, cobalt, manganese and nickel denudes forests, creates huge piles of tailings and damages ecosystems. You don't see any of that in the backseat of an EV. The sources are places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, where cobalt is strip-mined or dug by underground laborers. About 68% of the world's cobalt comes from the DRC. As for the sorry state of the U.S. electricity grid, check ERCOT, the Electric Reliability County of Texas. Texas has its own grid, untethered from the rest of the country. As such EROCT frequently asks residents and businesses to reduce power consumption during peak daytime hours. Texas is not always windy or sunny, as reports from Jan. 16, 2024, indicate. Nearly 85% of energy production is coming from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas. Remember February 2021? Massive blackouts lasting for days led to brownouts and the deaths of about 300 Texans. Pray that your EV has enough juice to get you home. You'll find a cold, powerless EV charger in your garage, but at least you will be safe and not stuck along a highway.. My involvement in environmental action goes back to 1972. When I first heard about EVs, I thought this was salvation. Then I began researching. Looking at the facts made me strongly anti-EV.
Fascinating video Shari! I knew I would enjoy it because you always make great content that is interesting, but this felt next level. A full EV would definitely give me range anxiety!!!! Not only do you need to not run out of range, but you really should keep it between 20-80%, and not have it in hot/cold environments! You are so correct, hybrids definitely seem to be the best route these days. A person could argue that a conventional gas powered car is better, however, in order to meet emission standards the industry has leaned hard into small turbo charged engines. No chance a Chevy Trax is a better value than the similar Toyota hybrid. Thanks for some great intel, and insight!
An even bigger concern when buying an EV now, imo, is the fact a much better battery technology being developed by Toyota (and maybe others) is just around the corner, which promises far greater range/service life and much faster charging speeds. I'd wait till that technology is available before considering an EV.
Well done brother, very informative as usual with your videos. I really can’t believe in EVs yet. Most people have issues also in very cold weather the batteries capacity drops and the power stations don’t work well in very cold weather.
Just like any battery with lithium , your not supposed to charge it above 80% and to not go below 20% so realistically you can take 40% off the top to any range a EV claims it has.
@chriscary9269 I understand the 80% recommendation. It is because as the batteries recharge the Li ions must find a place on the cathode, the electron must reside on the anode. As the battery get closer to full charge, it becomes harder to find charge locations. Thus the rate of charge drops, and the heat goes up. I can understand using a public charging station might lead to a longer period of time, and delay others from using those facilities. I have heard that 90% is an acceptable level. And even on occasions a 100% charge is acceptable when starting on a long trip. I don't understand the 20% restriction. Is this because of a lack of public charging stations? You risk not reaching your destination? I wonder why a completely empty battery could cause a recharging problem. Don't know what that problem could be. Maybe it is a long charging time a public stations. It seems 20% is too high for a home recharge. 10% might be more reasonable. Can you explain your understanding of these limits? From where did you get these guidelines?
I buy basic IC cars until it extinct, long term maintenance and initial cost i will never recoupe it over hybrid or ev. I can replace an engine n tranny cheaper than a full ev battery. EV never ever gonna be a sustainable option for everybody. Need new better technology.
This is a huge opportunity for the 3rd party market to offer refurbished and new batteries at significant discount to manufacturer prices especially out of warranty.
Based on these two Hyundai EV battery fiascos, the cost to insure these vehicle could become cost prohibitive. A minor side impact accident could rupture the battery pack resulting in the insurance company "totaling" the vehicle. Not good!
I’m driving a 2009 Toyota Camry Hybrid. Heard a battery replacement could cost C$8,000. I thought that was huge. Bought it anyway. Later, heard you could get a battery for $1,500 in nearest large city. Now, it’s 2025 and still haven’t faced this issue. Am envious of the low running cost of EV’s, but unless I win a lottery, I can’t afford a car with a huge battery replacement charge.
That's what I've seen as well. I was looking with a colleague on the price of 2018 Tesla Model 3 LRs that started around $27k with about 40-60k miles on it, which would seem pretty good to get in on the EV hype. But we see that at 50k mi, you lose the limited warranty, then at either by Year 2026 or 120k miles. (you lose the Drive train and Battery warranty). When it comes down to it, unless one is driving their car constantly to justify the gas savings, even used EVs are too risky. We know the batteries need to be replaced, can't be repaired as-of, resulting in an easy $15k+ expense. I've been taught that if you're paying over 50% of what the car is worth to do repair work, just replace the whole car. And so I started to see the used EV market differently where the reason we see these used EVs flood the market, bringing down the car value is because the original owners are essentially leasing the cars and trading in/up to when their warranty expires. And I'm sure Tesla knows this.
In your thumbnail you should really have the arrow pointing from the $60,000 to a Hyundai, not the Ford F-150. Kind of misleading to a casual observer.
@@carhelpcornerOkay, I heard 34 to 45, 000 and missed you were quoting US pricing. That makes sense as the F-150 battery must be bigger to move that extra weight. Still I haven't heard of Ford having similar problems with damaged batteries. Anyway I enjoy your videos.
This is a very well researched and presented video. The cost of battery replacement leaves you with a $0.00 trade in value. It would make more sense to lease and not buy one of these 100% depreciation vehicles. No one would ever by a used one without a certified new battery pack. Thank you for this EV replacement battery cost picture.
A whole house battery costs about $7,500 for 10 kWh. Thats $75,000 for the 98 kWh battery in a Ford Lightning or $30,000 for the 40 kWh in the Hyundai IONIQ. That cost doesn’t include the cost of installation either, that’s just the battery cost. Looking at the cost of other large battery systems I’m not surprised at the cost of a replacement battery for an EV since they use the same general type of battery.
there needs to be a common method of replacing bad cells instead of the entire pack....they don't even do this with standard hybrid vehicle batteries, they just replace the entire module and its expensive.
The battery is placed too low in the car, I believe. Going over a rock will happen from time to time. A well designed car would be able to deal with such an event. Just my view. I know little about cars but I have a scientific background.
6:37 I mean it's less first gen as the 1st gen on BEVs was back in the 1900s and more about old cars in general... Like most brands don't support most cars after about 20 years especly those they'll like to forget... And on the other hand if you drive a Mustang or Jeep you'll have parts for dacades to come if they remain popular that is.
I recently purchased a Honda CRV 2017 1.6 Diesel from a Honda Dealer with 65k miles and one owner - full history - comes with 12 month Warranty. Does over 50mpg and annual road tax of £20 - Cost £11k. If fed and watered and with a fair wind should last at least another 5 years. Build in say £500 at each annual MOT PLUS £500 for new set of tyres over its lifetime - assume re-sale value of say £2k - I calculate it will cost me around 20% of a comparable EV model. 80% is a lot to pay for a new car smell. PLUS insurance has cost me £350pa!
Hi I’m a Taxi owner Driver in Ireland and next time I be charging to a hybrid from diesel even do the government in Ireland are giving a 20,000 euro of a grant for an EV to put it in prospective they are basically given you half the price of a brand new EV because it f the reasons that you have been saying the price of Battery replacement and also the technology is charging yearly Taxi Drivers I know can’t get a fair trade in on there three year old Kia eNiro’s so next year Please God I will change to a Hybrid Toyota. Thank you for your great informative show and your great content see you in the future
Hyundai's is expensive because they're at the point where they can't diagnose the battery so they just replace the entire battery pack with a brand new battery pack. They do not fix the battery. The same is said for Ford. They don't "fix" the battery. This cannot be said for Tesla where they do not replace the battery with a new battery but instead, they replace the bad cells with used good cells retrieved from other recovered batteries. So while it's cheaper because they're not replacing the battery, you're essentially paying a lot for a battery that's not new and is supposed to be roughly the same age as your current battery. If they're going to go down the path of not giving you a new battery, then Tesla should charge cheaper and cheaper as your battery ages since you shouldn't have to pay new battery pricing when you're not getting a new battery.
Cost of battery replacement will ruin the used EV market. The success of a marque is measured by the strength of its used car market. And so far they’re leaving this up to the used car buyer. Who’d rather buy a Honda or a Toyota ICE vehicle.
With ev batterys costing at minimum eight to ten times more than a hybrid battery. And the placement of hybrid batteries aren't in a fragile place like the ev.
Well, that makes sense as cordless tool batteries cost more than the tool itself. BUT the saving grace is that EV battery packs are made up of several battery MODULES. Battery packs are designed so the modules are replaceable. It is VERY rare that ALL the modules need replacement. The Ford Lightning owners manual states - Using the AC slow charger that came with your Lightning will charge the battery pack better allowing the battery pack to last longer. By using high speed DC chargers, the battery life WILL be shortened. !
A lot of earier Hybrids have NIMH technology batteries, quite a lot less duration per charge so less range, but within that more reliable, and not the same fire risk AT ALL. Thing is, you cannot directly extrapolate that tech's reliability and life with newer tech packs. I have dragged NIMH model batteries out of 20 years laid up disuse, and after cycling, they have been usable. LiPo/Li-on, etc? NO!
I drive a hybrid now however an Ev is totally out of the question. As far as I’m concerned they are very expensive junk that has no place in a cold climate. Cost of repairs, charging times, range issues, cost of insurance, tire wear much heavier vehicle no thanks.
WHat about when Justin and Joe MANDATE it like they mandated something else that went in your arm? They do not want us plebs flying or driving. "You will own nothing and be happy."
@@khaterine-v5q they won’t get the chance to mandate it, both will be voted out of office and just be a bad memory as the countries hopefully regain our prominence in the world.
@@rayboudreault1452 So you think voting harder is the solution? they cheat fella, not being a PRK but there is way too much power and money at stake to give us a real vote/say. Like orange man or not he won that election, in fact he obliterated JB. It didnt matter, the money men gave their orders and they are obeyed. Canada, Europe, no different.
The part I don’t understand…. Why would we not create an industry standard for battery pack size and electrical connection?. Have all manufacturers build car designs around it. As battery technology improves, it could be made compatible for the previous vehicles, you could purchase just a base model replacement battery or potentially a long range option with more cells or output. Mass producing one style of pack would bring the manufacturing costs WAY down, there could also be remanufacturing companies. But this would require us actually wanting to improve things and save the environment, but that’s not actually the goal - it’s all just about money.
I was quoted $20,000CAD for battery replacement for a Mazda CX-90. Wasn't a repair, was just asking. And that battery is only 17.8kWh, not the 60-100kWh of these full BEVs. Manufacturers really need to step up to the plate with transparency about repair costs for their vehicles or consumers will just walk away. Up til now, the only answer they would give was "it lasts the lifetime of the vehicle" with no details on what lifetime means. The huge variation in prices across the different makes from Hyundai to Tesla is also reason for extreme skepticism. Bottom line, manufacturers HAVE to solve this issue so consumers aren't shafted once out of warranty. I used to think Dodge transmissions were expensive time bombs but now this........
Thanks for sharing. That's certainly on the high side for a PHEV. Probably because it's Mazda's first PHEV and economies of scale haven't kicked in yet.
@@carhelpcorner I would have thought the scale argument applies to the supplier, presumably panasonic, but perhaps they only supply the cells. Either way, this issue needs sorting quickly if they want to sell any EVs or PHEVs.
My Nissan leaf was a 2018 I bought brand new, but after 47k the battery died and I was told it was under warrentynbur there was no battery available so they bought it back under lemon law, my car sat on the dealership for 3 months before I called Nissan corperation and got the truth. But there were 2 other leafs on the lot waiting for a battery replacement.
Manufacturers NEED to provide consumers with a solid battery warranty. Standard for ICEs being 60k to 100k miles with normal use and maintenance. Should be at least that for EVs.
It's not surprising that people are hesitant to buy electric cars, because the battery technology hasn't improved in nearly 30 years. Most of the companies that were making any kind of progress on battery technology were quickly bought up by oil and gas companies, so we're left with these archaic, expensive and inefficient lithium battery cells.
If you have a warranty but the manufacturer doesn’t have the parts, like that Nissan Leaf, how is this legal? Also, a battery costs what a whole cheap new gas car costs or a decent used one is ridiculous.
I'm 59yrs old I grew up in Laporte IN.when I was in 6th grade we went to the museum there there is a electric car there the guy who made it died the kids gave the car to the museum and sold the plans to GM so they been around for over 40years
Well seeing how the cost of the battery is around 50% to even more than 100% of the value of the original msrp of the car, either electric cars are far from breaking even and are a huge loss for the manufacurers or they are severely price gouging people to force people to greatly overspend on a new battery or to buy a new car.
Do not waste your money on electric car. It's a big rip-off. You can't even start them in the cold weather. This is ridiculous butelectric cars what a waste of money
Just wait for LFP or LFPM batteries. A Hyundai NMC battery pack at $50,000 greatly out costs an entire MG4 that costs only $28,000. But of course the MG4 is not available in the States so good to those who has it like in Europe. LFP or LFPM let's you charge a 100 percent and has a much longer battery life than NMC batteries, along with a superior thermal threshold, while the battery itself is cheaper, lacking Cobalt and Nickel. Of course, power density is not as great so don't expect sub 5 second 0 to 60 acceleration but I can live with that.
I wouldn't want to fire risk from a remanufactured battery in my garage or car. I drive my ICE Honda and Toyotas to 200k and 20 years with never a major repair, much less engine replacement.
Those are not the COSTS of the battery. That is what dealers are CHARGING. That is the I don't want to divert batteries away from new vehicles price. Its scummy dealership practice. Same reason repairs on vehicles take months even though these companies sell millions of cars a year. They don't care about customers.
Not an EV fan, but they do diversify US energy needs for transportation. The cost of insurance is going to make the cost of ownership of these cars untenable.
Another advantage of leasing is don't have to bother about battery longevity by keeping between 20-80% and can thus get full range. EV Fanboys say that batteries are made from fully recyclable old batteies, so why don't they sell the old battery?
Well, when you buy an EV, you have to have working batteries, so I guess the answer is to NOT buy an EV unless you never have to worry about damaging the vehicle. My neighbor has a Tesla 3 and his car was totaled when someone hit his rear bumper when the guy let his foot slip off the brake. The damage to the Tesla was minimal, but the battery pack framing got bent, so the car was ruined. WOW! I'll stick to my ICE vehicle.
This END BEFORE WE KNEW IT MAYBE AN OTHER ONE HUNDRED YEARS ....TO ELECTRIC CARS Already this battery POLUTE more than a volcano 🌋 With all respect for TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE
thank you for sharing your research👍👍👍 a lot of manufacturer warranties are not worth the paper they're written on and that's not just vehicle manufacturers . this why there are so many class action lawsuits. solid state batteries are the next hot up and coming technology. those won't be cheap either
Yes you need to be very concerned about it. I've replaced several under warranty after only 4 years of ownership. I've given quotes on 10 years old EV's that were 36k for a new battery. I've even replaced a new Lyriq battery. There's nothing green about them. Whatever emissions are off set from charging is created from the refining and destruction of the EV batteries. When you have to replace 3 batteries over course of 12 years due to failure that is edging if not close up six figures just in batteries. This is the reason I will not own one.
BYD, the Chinese EV manufacturer that Telsa gets batteries from, sells EVs for as low price as US$10,000, that includes the battery. As of recently, BYD is the world's best selling EV brand, more than Tesla. BYD EVs are the best for the money. Tesla sales falling but BYD sales are up. BYD also makes electric buses.
That first story, I read the owner got rid of the car before Hyundai agreed to help him out-and as you said that was only after the media got involved.
Example 1 the Hyundai was just out of warranty. Example 2 the owner damaged the battery casing driving over something, so not covered. Example 3 with the Nissan it was covered, but Nissan said no replacement batteries are available so the customer waited over one year.
I drive a 26 year old Benz, which in itself is very durable... Will I ever be able to drive an over 20 year old battery equiped EV? I do not believe battery driven EVs are truly sustainable... Engine failure in an old ICE vehicle does not cost that much. If the engine would fail on my Benz, I can replace it with a good used unit for around 2500$ max... I have driven petrol Volvo's with over 400.000 miles without any problems... Very, very sustainable. If you stick to ICE cars with proper engines, i.e. not 1 liter engine with a number of turbo's just to make it economical, repair costs will be quite reasonable. Using older products (not just cars) is sustainable. And repairs usually are done by local shops, so you also support the local economy.
The percentage rate of fires in hybrids sold is, apparently, greater than that of ICE cars, which is also greater than that of EV's. It would be VERY informative to learn the percentages for each manufacturer's hybrid vehicles. (BTW, I owned a. 2010 Prius and a 2012 Prius V - both of which had zero problems of any kind.)
I'm not aware of any data for North America that breaks down fires by vehicle type. Sweden tracks this, however, and they found that ICE vehicles are about 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs.
With regards to hybrids I'm ok with standard hybrids that use old NiCad batteries. But I'm not a fan of PHEV or some of the newer generation hybrids. The reason for this is I'm not a fan of Lithium Ion NMC batteries next to gas lines. Internal combustion next to Lithium batteries sounds like the worst of both worlds. I would recommend only PHEV if like EV, they transition to the safer, longer lasting, cheaper although less power dense LFP or LFPM type batteries.
EV batteries should have lifelong reliability and warranty. Carmakers should replace the battery or the whole car or compensate based on fix rate fluctuation market value if it's broken in less than 15 years.
As people become aware of this, depreciation is going to be severe.
I'll never go back to gas junk too much maintenance for me
Lol are ICE car better? They are containing hundreds of small explosion per minute with many moving parts, In where I live they are down 50% after year one. Batteries are expensive now but CATL and BYD are planing to cut them down about 80% by 2030.
@williamdavenportii764 After my neighbor's ev burnt down his new house no thanks!
@@williamdavenportii764 A BEV has exactly the same maintenance except for oil changes. The BEV still has wipers, brake fluid, brakes, tires, a 12V battery and washer fluid ALL of which need to be changed, the tires are more expensive and the brake service can be challenging. I forgot the battery cooling system and A/C.
@@yulusleonard985 By burning them?
I thought my car battery for $150 was expensive 😳
It was 2020 now 230$ average in Canada 😊( battery cost) in 2024
Many newer vehicles have more technology now, especially when it comes to safety, fuel economy, and infotainment systems, thus many newer vehicles need larger batteries to power those items and that's why batteries are getting more expensive now.
My Grand Cherokee has two batteries. And it’s a standard ice vehicle.
@markhagopian3257 I have a 2020 Honda CR-V non hybrid, and the cheapest battery I could find for my vehicle is around $200. Like I said, the more technology these vehicles have, it seems that simple stuff like car batteries get more expensive.
Mines a standard 17 larado… one battery is 160.. The other battery is about 275 or so… But that’s not as bad as the headlights needing the whole front clip off the car change.
$45,000 repair cost because you drove over a rock................ i guess it is the joy & privilege of driving a EV! 🤣🤣🤣
A $45,000 repair bill if a pebble hits a car? It's fairly common to hear a pebble hit the wheel well of my gasoline-powered car while driving on normal pavement. It's not uncommon for a pebble to take flight and crack a windshield. One of Safelight's 79,000 service stations dispatches the broken window pronto and on site. If it costs tens of thousands of dollars to replace a battery pack on a Tesla Cyber Truck, then why is Tesla touting the pleasures of off-road travel? Is Tesla looking to make big bucks from the rocks that hit the car's undercarriage? Gotta wonder.
It was actually just a chunk of ice.
So if you took a $75k lightning and a $75k gas f150. The entire drivetrain for the gasser would cost less than $25k, when removed would leave you with a $50k shell. For the lightning the entire drivetrain would cost atleast $50k, and when removed would leave you with the same shell, same options for 25k? Ford is either shoving it in their *** on the lightnings, or theyre shoving it up the customers *** on the ecoboosts
It was a climate friendly rock 🪨
Toyota hybrid- yes
Anything EV- NO
GAS - most likely
Hybrids are the best of both worlds. Most people don't usually drive that far and the cost of battery repair is much lower
Agree
So if you took a $75k lightning and a $75k gas f150. The entire drivetrain for the gasser would cost less than $25k, when removed would leave you with a $50k shell. For the lightning the entire drivetrain would cost atleast $50k, and when removed would leave you with the same shell, same options for 25k? Ford is either shoving it in their *** on the lightnings, or theyre shoving it up the customers *** on the ecoboosts
Too bad these popular vehicles are just as popular to theives !!
So many charging rules to follow to increase the longevity of your battery. Didn’t think car ownership would ever get this complicated! 😂
Possibly increase it.
The more tech that is in the car the more problems you will run into. Simple is always better with a car.
@@vikinglife6316 yep.
Indeed , its bullshit mate , what a load of bollocks , if they quote an EV range as lets say 300 miles but to look after the stupid battery you have to remove 40% from that , so suddenly the range you actually have is 180 miles .......... and then the weather changes and your range goes down another 20 or 30% ...................... seriously , these EV things are a bloody joke .
@@mikldude9376 Just like my propane heater. Rated for 20pd tank @ 4.4 days on low but in reality it gets 3.0 days on low. Speakers. 500 watt peak but you may only ever see that a few times in the life of the speaker and only if every condition is met. I say this because it really is like anything. What they claim you get and what you actually get is 2 different things.
One thing I didn't think of since I wont ever own an EV is heating. Heat requires a lot of energy. So they must base this on the perfect conditions possible for their range estimates which is very misleading.
I've seen in a video in here, where I guy was on his 3rd battery repair in a Model Y iirc.... and he was being given good, but used cells for replacement. I'm sticking with my spark plugs and fuel injectors. 😂
I have been sending out lots of comments saying EV’s are not reliable, dangerous because of fires, expensive to purchase, extremely expensive to repair and not good for the environment because of the battery manufacturing and disposal concerns if the battery needs to be tossed. Everyone should get an estimate on battery replacement before purchasing an EV so they understand the future repair costs. A battery failure could make many EV’s disposable which is not good for the environment. Glad to see more utube channels are talking about this major concern. 👍
I agree. I don't understand why some people would choose to waste the cost of a brand new car on an EV battery pack.
Well , half the problem is The EV sellers tend to shrug that off as "just not going to happen" , and tell the customer it will easily see out the life of the car :) , ( but how long is the useful life of that battery and car with buggerall range ?) !
The other good story is "oh , by then battery will be cheap , dont worry about it" , and this bullshit has been said all along , and have a look today , they are far from being cheap , and if you have paid extra to get a bit more range with a bigger battery , guess what , you will be paying even more when that battery requires a replacement !
EV`s are the biggest con this side of the black stump .
@@mikldude9376taxis in China are now getting north of 500k kilometres on LFP batteries. If you have a crash insurance pays just like ice
Your sending out BS😮
Didn't watch the video until the end, did you?
Warranty will not cover accidental damage. Here in Australia many outback roads are unsealed and rocks hitting under vehicle is very common. Also driving through road works can cause same issue. These battery prices means battery damage will write-off a relatively new vehicle.
Yep , and aside from that , its not uncommon to find even in the city , some sort of bit of crap that has fallen off the back of a truck or tradies vehicle that is right in the middle of the road that often you dont see until its too late .
And country roads are no doubt even more prone to this , i remember one night in my old ICE car hitting a bloody big solid wombat at speed at night time , which was like hitting a boulder , had i been in an electric car , i would have real concerns that there would be battery damage .
Fear of speed bumps.
I saw that from another UA-camr, the insurance totaled the car, and his insurance went up.
Can you ever save that much in gas?
Even a small crack on battery pack, dealer may want the owner to change the whole battery pack that costs over $10,000. Sometimes $50,000.
Great video Shari 🙏
Thank you for sharing the truth about batteries. Battery technology has been stagnant for decades and the only thing that changed last decade is thermal management components on Hybrid or EV. As a whole, this concept of Hybrid and EV are disastrous. Reliable old diesel or gasoline should be recognized as the best option for consumers with brains.
We have not even touched on how dangerous these batteries. No one should park their Hybrid or EV in a garage. People should look at their cellphone to understand how fast anything with batteries will get obsolete.
The problem is only 40 years of oil reserves remains so switching to EV's is inevitable
You didn’t touch on the expense of insurance on these electric vehicles. Exorbitantly more expensive.
@@Ljbuddy12😂 You sound like a Liberal. There is enough oil and gas for all lifetime. God created it this way for us to survive just the like the oxygen we breath…will never run out.
@@Ljbuddy12 give me a break. I have been hearing this bullshit for 50 years. Nothing but constant FEAR MONGERING
"Battery technology has been stagnant for decades and the only thing that changed last decade is thermal management components on Hybrid or EV."
Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
"There is enough oil and gas for all lifetime. God created it this way"
Confirmed.
Funny they say maintenance on electric vehicles are a huge money saver over traditional combustion vehicles.. I'll stick with oil changes.
The higher cost of an EV will cover a lifetime of oil changes.
Battery replacement cost or any other OEM parts in south Korea cost much much less, meaning Hyundai Canada, USA takes too much margin on parts.
If you can't afford virtue signalling you don't deserve an EV.
The range issues for EV's is still a problem for us. We use our vehicles for long trips often. Hybrids or full ICE is much better for us than an EV until technology catches up. Maybe when solid state batteries become a viable option?
An EV is like a golf cart. How far would you drive a golf cart?
Yes can't wait to see the EV's with solid state batteries. They look very promising!
Especially when the deep freeze hits the US as it currently is.
If this type of battery technology is so expensive, you can imagine the price of the solid-state battery vehicles. Electric cars were invented over 100 years ago, but they failed. They will fail again. We are still not ready to move entirely to EVs.
I'm not sure I agree with the idea that they will fail. There is a place for them, but it's a niche. I don't believe the ICE engines we currently use will be around forever, but they will be around a LOT longer than most people think. Diesels alone will live on for the next 75-100 years. Far too much commerce is conducted with diesels as the backbone. Hard to replace these economical torque monsters. @@beamrider2972
Having watched several videos for EV crash repair (astronomical) are the insurance companies unfairly spreading that cost to all customer's?
Absolutely. This is why insurance rates for EV's can be very high.
Simply put, be smart buy a Toyota or Honda hybrid.
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❤👍 only for smart people 😊
Hybrid is way to go thanks
Ok boomer
@@stratoshd9043I'm an X...hybrid is tops
Hybrid is the way to go.
The manufacturer battery warranties EXCLUDE the first 30% range loss due to battery degradation.
I've been driving the same ice car since August 2008 and I've had NO reduction in range in all that time. Even if I had to replace the engine, it's still really cheap compared to replacing a battery pack.
Thank you for the objective reality regarding electric vehicles! First let me state I am not anti EV; however, I am one who looks at the true reality! An electric vehicle may operate in a green way where the car is driven and used! I owned a 2001 Honda Insight manual that never had a single battery. I would still own it if I would not have crushed my hand in 2017 and could not drive stick for more than two years. This car was far greener than any EV using electric charging. Living in Pennsylvania it is a land of temperature extremes. First there exists a loss of electric when it is transferred through electric lines. Second, here the electric is generated by fossil fuels; thereby, creating a carbon footprint greater in another area. This carbon release to produce electric is in most cases produced in an area where people are living lives at lower income levels. Thirdly, the amount of carbon resources used to produce one EV is far greater than any ICE vehicle. My everyday driver is a 1996 Honda Accord with 250k miles. That makes it 28 model years old and since I purchased it with 99k miles for $2750 at Harrisburg Auto Auction I have less then $3000 in repairs, excluding oil changes and state inspection. The total of $3000 is since 2009 when I bought the car and includes, tires, coolant changes, brakes, one axle, transmission fluid changes, one battery, new head gasket, radiator one ball joint. Fourth, vehicles can catch fire for a variety of reasons ICE vehicles can be contained in most cases and yes there is environmental damage! However, with EV vehicles the fires are extremely toxic and usually cause extreme environmental damage! In grad school I worked in body shops and sold cars for a variety of different manufactures. Most ICE vehicles can be repaired at a reasonable cost; however, even some very minor accidents with an EV can result in a total loss. The true reality is plug in electric vehicles are not the solution to our global issues. In reality electric vehicles have become a social statement for those who accept falsehoods and half truths and want simple solutions to complex problems! Electric vehicles may play a part in the future; however, they are not the answer!
Its all a scam, there is no climate crisis AT ALL ZERO. How many ice ages BEFORE humanity? The earth has and will continue to change temps with or without us.
But give them some more money and eat less, travel less, have less to do your part!
Very few people are anti ev. What most people are who are against evs, are against them because the technology isn’t here yet to make them a viable alternative outside of a few niche situations. We need much better batteries where they take up much less space and can be protected better, and make their range comparable to combustion vehicles. We also need much better charging technology. And finally, no electric grid is able to support a anything near half the cars on the road being an ev. So electric grids need hundreds of billions in upgrades if not trillions depending on where you live. But the issue with this is that who do you think will pay for the upgrades? We will by paying more for electricity.
I'm anti-EV. The idea that they are eco-friendly is a sham. The charging stations aren't powered by forest elves who run on treadmills.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration says that 79% of energy consumption in the United States comes from fossil fuels (natural gas, oil and coal). Another 8% is nuclear power. Total renewable energy (hydroelectric, wind, solar, biomass and wood) accounts for just 13% of "green" electric technology. Regardless of the efficiency of the battery, EVs must rely for most of their energy on fossil fuels. Battery degradation means more frequent trips to the charging kiosk or home charger, which means even greater use of fossil fuels.
Don't be charmed by the look of a shiny, new EV. The problem is the batteries. The extraction and refining of lithium, cobalt, manganese and nickel denudes forests, creates huge piles of tailings and damages ecosystems. You don't see any of that in the backseat of an EV. The sources are places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, where cobalt is strip-mined or dug by underground laborers. About 68% of the world's cobalt comes from the DRC.
As for the sorry state of the U.S. electricity grid, check ERCOT, the Electric Reliability County of Texas. Texas has its own grid, untethered from the rest of the country. As such EROCT frequently asks residents and businesses to reduce power consumption during peak daytime hours. Texas is not always windy or sunny, as reports from Jan. 16, 2024, indicate. Nearly 85% of energy production is coming from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas. Remember February 2021? Massive blackouts lasting for days led to brownouts and the deaths of about 300 Texans. Pray that your EV has enough juice to get you home. You'll find a cold, powerless EV charger in your garage, but at least you will be safe and not stuck along a highway..
My involvement in environmental action goes back to 1972. When I first heard about EVs, I thought this was salvation. Then I began researching. Looking at the facts made me strongly anti-EV.
Fascinating video Shari! I knew I would enjoy it because you always make great content that is interesting, but this felt next level. A full EV would definitely give me range anxiety!!!! Not only do you need to not run out of range, but you really should keep it between 20-80%, and not have it in hot/cold environments! You are so correct, hybrids definitely seem to be the best route these days. A person could argue that a conventional gas powered car is better, however, in order to meet emission standards the industry has leaned hard into small turbo charged engines. No chance a Chevy Trax is a better value than the similar Toyota hybrid. Thanks for some great intel, and insight!
You're welcome thanks for watching!
Note that LFP batteries can be charged daily to 100%.
An even bigger concern when buying an EV now, imo, is the fact a much better battery technology being developed by Toyota (and maybe others) is just around the corner, which promises far greater range/service life and much faster charging speeds. I'd wait till that technology is available before considering an EV.
It will be at least 20 years before "New" battery technology comes out. I watch battery tech closely as it could put me out of business, so I know.
@@robertkubrick3738YOU NEED A GIRLFRIEND MATE AND A LIFE IF YOU WATCH BATTERY TECHNOLOGY 🔋 WHAT A TOOL
Well done brother, very informative as usual with your videos. I really can’t believe in EVs yet. Most people have issues also in very cold weather the batteries capacity drops and the power stations don’t work well in very cold weather.
I was pissed paying $200 to replace my car battery. Now after hearing this to replace an EV battery I’m not so mad and am glad I will never buy an EV.
Thank you for the truth in this video. I’ve been looking for these answers a very long time.
Just like any battery with lithium , your not supposed to charge it above 80% and to not go below 20% so realistically you can take 40% off the top to any range a EV claims it has.
@chriscary9269 I understand the 80% recommendation. It is because as the batteries recharge the Li ions must find a place on the cathode, the electron must reside on the anode. As the battery get closer to full charge, it becomes harder to find charge locations. Thus the rate of charge drops, and the heat goes up. I can understand using a public charging station might lead to a longer period of time, and delay others from using those facilities. I have heard that 90% is an acceptable level. And even on occasions a 100% charge is acceptable when starting on a long trip.
I don't understand the 20% restriction. Is this because of a lack of public charging stations? You risk not reaching your destination? I wonder why a completely empty battery could cause a recharging problem. Don't know what that problem could be. Maybe it is a long charging time a public stations. It seems 20% is too high for a home recharge. 10% might be more reasonable.
Can you explain your understanding of these limits? From where did you get these guidelines?
I buy basic IC cars until it extinct, long term maintenance and initial cost i will never recoupe it over hybrid or ev. I can replace an engine n tranny cheaper than a full ev battery. EV never ever gonna be a sustainable option for everybody. Need new better technology.
This is a huge opportunity for the 3rd party market to offer refurbished and new batteries at significant discount to manufacturer prices especially out of warranty.
Based on these two Hyundai EV battery fiascos, the cost to insure these vehicle could become cost prohibitive. A minor side impact accident could rupture the battery pack resulting in the insurance company "totaling" the vehicle. Not good!
One insurance company in Finland don't give insurance anymore for Porche Taycan and two Audi ev models.
I’m driving a 2009 Toyota Camry Hybrid. Heard a battery replacement could cost C$8,000. I thought that was huge. Bought it anyway. Later, heard you could get a battery for $1,500 in nearest large city. Now, it’s 2025 and still haven’t faced this issue. Am envious of the low running cost of EV’s, but unless I win a lottery, I can’t afford a car with a huge battery replacement charge.
When the warranty expires, EVs are basically disposable. Not worth the cost of battery replacement. Battery prices don't include labor.
That's what I've seen as well. I was looking with a colleague on the price of 2018 Tesla Model 3 LRs that started around $27k with about 40-60k miles on it, which would seem pretty good to get in on the EV hype. But we see that at 50k mi, you lose the limited warranty, then at either by Year 2026 or 120k miles. (you lose the Drive train and Battery warranty). When it comes down to it, unless one is driving their car constantly to justify the gas savings, even used EVs are too risky. We know the batteries need to be replaced, can't be repaired as-of, resulting in an easy $15k+ expense. I've been taught that if you're paying over 50% of what the car is worth to do repair work, just replace the whole car.
And so I started to see the used EV market differently where the reason we see these used EVs flood the market, bringing down the car value is because the original owners are essentially leasing the cars and trading in/up to when their warranty expires. And I'm sure Tesla knows this.
Woah! Those are pricey.
No EV for me !!!
In your thumbnail you should really have the arrow pointing from the $60,000 to a Hyundai, not the Ford F-150. Kind of misleading to a casual observer.
But the F-150 Lightning long range battery is the same price. $45k USD or $60k CAD.
@@carhelpcornerOkay, I heard 34 to 45, 000 and missed you were quoting US pricing. That makes sense as the F-150 battery must be bigger to move that extra weight. Still I haven't heard of Ford having similar problems with damaged batteries. Anyway I enjoy your videos.
What's to keep the mfgs from coming out with a 3rd, 4th, and 5th gen batteries and discontinuing earlier batteries?
This is a very well researched and presented video. The cost of battery replacement leaves you with a $0.00 trade in value. It would make more sense to lease and not buy one of these 100% depreciation vehicles. No one would ever by a used one without a certified new battery pack. Thank you for this EV replacement battery cost picture.
A whole house battery costs about $7,500 for 10 kWh. Thats $75,000 for the 98 kWh battery in a Ford Lightning or $30,000 for the 40 kWh in the Hyundai IONIQ. That cost doesn’t include the cost of installation either, that’s just the battery cost.
Looking at the cost of other large battery systems I’m not surprised at the cost of a replacement battery for an EV since they use the same general type of battery.
there needs to be a common method of replacing bad cells instead of the entire pack....they don't even do this with standard hybrid vehicle batteries, they just replace the entire module and its expensive.
After seeing these batteries catch on fire I will not have one parked on my drive or garage charging. ICE for me until I have no other option.
The battery is placed too low in the car, I believe. Going over a rock will happen from time to time. A well designed car would be able to deal with such an event. Just my view. I know little about cars but I have a scientific background.
6:37 I mean it's less first gen as the 1st gen on BEVs was back in the 1900s and more about old cars in general... Like most brands don't support most cars after about 20 years especly those they'll like to forget... And on the other hand if you drive a Mustang or Jeep you'll have parts for dacades to come if they remain popular that is.
I recently purchased a Honda CRV 2017 1.6 Diesel from a Honda Dealer with 65k miles and one owner - full history - comes with 12 month Warranty. Does over 50mpg and annual road tax of £20 - Cost £11k. If fed and watered and with a fair wind should last at least another 5 years. Build in say £500 at each annual MOT PLUS £500 for new set of tyres over its lifetime - assume re-sale value of say £2k - I calculate it will cost me around 20% of a comparable EV model. 80% is a lot to pay for a new car smell. PLUS insurance has cost me £350pa!
Hi I’m a Taxi owner Driver in Ireland and next time I be charging to a hybrid from diesel even do the government in Ireland are giving a 20,000 euro of a grant for an EV to put it in prospective they are basically given you half the price of a brand new EV because it f the reasons that you have been saying the price of Battery replacement and also the technology is charging yearly Taxi Drivers I know can’t get a fair trade in on there three year old Kia eNiro’s so next year Please God I will change to a Hybrid Toyota. Thank you for your great informative show and your great content see you in the future
Hyundai's is expensive because they're at the point where they can't diagnose the battery so they just replace the entire battery pack with a brand new battery pack. They do not fix the battery. The same is said for Ford. They don't "fix" the battery. This cannot be said for Tesla where they do not replace the battery with a new battery but instead, they replace the bad cells with used good cells retrieved from other recovered batteries. So while it's cheaper because they're not replacing the battery, you're essentially paying a lot for a battery that's not new and is supposed to be roughly the same age as your current battery. If they're going to go down the path of not giving you a new battery, then Tesla should charge cheaper and cheaper as your battery ages since you shouldn't have to pay new battery pricing when you're not getting a new battery.
Cost of battery replacement will ruin the used EV market.
The success of a marque is measured by the strength of its used car market.
And so far they’re leaving this up to the used car buyer. Who’d rather buy a Honda or a Toyota ICE vehicle.
With ev batterys costing at minimum eight to ten times more than a hybrid battery. And the placement of hybrid batteries aren't in a fragile place like the ev.
Well, that makes sense as cordless tool batteries cost more than the tool itself.
BUT the saving grace is that EV battery packs are made up of several battery
MODULES. Battery packs are designed so the modules are replaceable. It is
VERY rare that ALL the modules need replacement.
The Ford Lightning owners manual states -
Using the AC slow charger that came with your Lightning will charge
the battery pack better allowing the battery pack to last longer. By using
high speed DC chargers, the battery life WILL be shortened.
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Module replacement is possible. But will not be done at a dealer. Liability
A lot of earier Hybrids have NIMH technology batteries, quite a lot less duration per charge so less range, but within that more reliable, and not the same fire risk AT ALL. Thing is, you cannot directly extrapolate that tech's reliability and life with newer tech packs. I have dragged NIMH model batteries out of 20 years laid up disuse, and after cycling, they have been usable. LiPo/Li-on, etc? NO!
I drive a hybrid now however an Ev is totally out of the question. As far as I’m concerned they are very expensive junk that has no place in a cold climate. Cost of repairs, charging times, range issues, cost of insurance, tire wear much heavier vehicle no thanks.
WHat about when Justin and Joe MANDATE it like they mandated something else that went in your arm?
They do not want us plebs flying or driving. "You will own nothing and be happy."
@@khaterine-v5q they won’t get the chance to mandate it, both will be voted out of office and just be a bad memory as the countries hopefully regain our prominence in the world.
@@rayboudreault1452 So you think voting harder is the solution? they cheat fella, not being a PRK but there is way too much power and money at stake to give us a real vote/say.
Like orange man or not he won that election, in fact he obliterated JB. It didnt matter, the money men gave their orders and they are obeyed.
Canada, Europe, no different.
Seems like Hyundai is way out on the extreme end compared with other manufacturers, at around 3 times as much for a battery.
The part I don’t understand…. Why would we not create an industry standard for battery pack size and electrical connection?. Have all manufacturers build car designs around it. As battery technology improves, it could be made compatible for the previous vehicles, you could purchase just a base model replacement battery or potentially a long range option with more cells or output. Mass producing one style of pack would bring the manufacturing costs WAY down, there could also be remanufacturing companies. But this would require us actually wanting to improve things and save the environment, but that’s not actually the goal - it’s all just about money.
I was quoted $20,000CAD for battery replacement for a Mazda CX-90. Wasn't a repair, was just asking. And that battery is only 17.8kWh, not the 60-100kWh of these full BEVs. Manufacturers really need to step up to the plate with transparency about repair costs for their vehicles or consumers will just walk away. Up til now, the only answer they would give was "it lasts the lifetime of the vehicle" with no details on what lifetime means. The huge variation in prices across the different makes from Hyundai to Tesla is also reason for extreme skepticism. Bottom line, manufacturers HAVE to solve this issue so consumers aren't shafted once out of warranty. I used to think Dodge transmissions were expensive time bombs but now this........
Thanks for sharing. That's certainly on the high side for a PHEV. Probably because it's Mazda's first PHEV and economies of scale haven't kicked in yet.
@@carhelpcorner I would have thought the scale argument applies to the supplier, presumably panasonic, but perhaps they only supply the cells. Either way, this issue needs sorting quickly if they want to sell any EVs or PHEVs.
My Nissan leaf was a 2018 I bought brand new, but after 47k the battery died and I was told it was under warrentynbur there was no battery available so they bought it back under lemon law, my car sat on the dealership for 3 months before I called Nissan corperation and got the truth. But there were 2 other leafs on the lot waiting for a battery replacement.
Manufacturers NEED to provide consumers with a solid battery warranty. Standard for ICEs being 60k to 100k miles with normal use and maintenance. Should be at least that for EVs.
It is
It's not surprising that people are hesitant to buy electric cars, because the battery technology hasn't improved in nearly 30 years. Most of the companies that were making any kind of progress on battery technology were quickly bought up by oil and gas companies, so we're left with these archaic, expensive and inefficient lithium battery cells.
meanwhile our Prius, we can get a replacement for $1500 and self install with simple hand tools.
The reasons you mention are exactly why I decided to lease my EV. Hoping we have some better battery pack in 2 1/2 years
If I had to, like at gun point. I'd go for a Toyota Hybrid...and that's it. Toyota Only. (I'm a Honda guy btw).
If you have a warranty but the manufacturer doesn’t have the parts, like that Nissan Leaf, how is this legal? Also, a battery costs what a whole cheap new gas car costs or a decent used one is ridiculous.
Person found frozen to death waiting for Ev TO CHARGE UP.
I'm 59yrs old I grew up in Laporte IN.when I was in 6th grade we went to the museum there there is a electric car there the guy who made it died the kids gave the car to the museum and sold the plans to GM so they been around for over 40years
Well seeing how the cost of the battery is around 50% to even more than 100% of the value of the original msrp of the car, either electric cars are far from breaking even and are a huge loss for the manufacurers or they are severely price gouging people to force people to greatly overspend on a new battery or to buy a new car.
However all manufactures look for any reason to not honor or even void a warranty.
Do not waste your money on electric car. It's a big rip-off. You can't even start them in the cold weather. This is ridiculous butelectric cars what a waste of money
Just wait for LFP or LFPM batteries. A Hyundai NMC battery pack at $50,000 greatly out costs an entire MG4 that costs only $28,000. But of course the MG4 is not available in the States so good to those who has it like in Europe. LFP or LFPM let's you charge a 100 percent and has a much longer battery life than NMC batteries, along with a superior thermal threshold, while the battery itself is cheaper, lacking Cobalt and Nickel. Of course, power density is not as great so don't expect sub 5 second 0 to 60 acceleration but I can live with that.
Specialist mechanics can repair EV's for an affordable price, don't go to a dealer.
At this point, I'm more inclined to purchase a hybrid. I don't think enough infrastructure has been put in place for EVs, and they're too expensive
I wouldn't want to fire risk from a remanufactured battery in my garage or car. I drive my ICE Honda and Toyotas to 200k and 20 years with never a major repair, much less engine replacement.
Those are not the COSTS of the battery. That is what dealers are CHARGING. That is the I don't want to divert batteries away from new vehicles price. Its scummy dealership practice. Same reason repairs on vehicles take months even though these companies sell millions of cars a year. They don't care about customers.
i get battery anxiety with my phone i cant magine what having an ev would be like
Buy ICE
Not an EV fan, but they do diversify US energy needs for transportation. The cost of insurance is going to make the cost of ownership of these cars untenable.
The new Ioniq 5 is around Ca $50000 and Ioniq 6 is around Ca$ 55000. Why is the battery replacement so expensive?
Another advantage of leasing is don't have to bother about battery longevity by keeping between 20-80% and can thus get full range.
EV Fanboys say that batteries are made from fully recyclable old batteies, so why don't they sell the old battery?
i would only buy a NIO as they have a battery swap system / no battery problems ever
Well, when you buy an EV, you have to have working batteries, so I guess the answer is to NOT buy an EV unless you never have to worry about damaging the vehicle. My neighbor has a Tesla 3 and his car was totaled when someone hit his rear bumper when the guy let his foot slip off the brake. The damage to the Tesla was minimal, but the battery pack framing got bent, so the car was ruined. WOW! I'll stick to my ICE vehicle.
Or just get insurance
This END BEFORE WE KNEW IT
MAYBE AN OTHER ONE HUNDRED YEARS ....TO ELECTRIC CARS
Already this battery POLUTE more than a volcano 🌋
With all respect for TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE
Great info and advice. The new Prius my dream car.
thank you for sharing your research👍👍👍 a lot of manufacturer warranties are not worth the paper they're written on and that's not just vehicle manufacturers . this why there are so many class action lawsuits.
solid state batteries are the next hot up and coming technology. those won't be cheap either
Solid State fails like a bomb in the lab, far too often. They charge fast, but they can discharge at the same speed, like a capacitor. Dangerous.
When we have billions of EV’s and the time does come for battery replacement is there going to be enough supply to keep up with demand?
The batteries are specific to a model. The batteries will become outdated and unavailable.
Yes you need to be very concerned about it. I've replaced several under warranty after only 4 years of ownership. I've given quotes on 10 years old EV's that were 36k for a new battery. I've even replaced a new Lyriq battery. There's nothing green about them. Whatever emissions are off set from charging is created from the refining and destruction of the EV batteries. When you have to replace 3 batteries over course of 12 years due to failure that is edging if not close up six figures just in batteries.
This is the reason I will not own one.
BYD, the Chinese EV manufacturer that Telsa gets batteries from, sells EVs for as low price as US$10,000, that includes the battery. As of recently, BYD is the world's best selling EV brand, more than Tesla. BYD EVs are the best for the money. Tesla sales falling but BYD sales are up.
BYD also makes electric buses.
That first story, I read the owner got rid of the car before Hyundai agreed to help him out-and as you said that was only after the media got involved.
He still had to replace the battery if he kept the car and Hyundai only offered him a discount on a new car lol
i don't understand, battery failure is not covered in warranty? if your car is in warranty they don't replace the battery?
Example 1 the Hyundai was just out of warranty. Example 2 the owner damaged the battery casing driving over something, so not covered. Example 3 with the Nissan it was covered, but Nissan said no replacement batteries are available so the customer waited over one year.
Buying EV’s now is silliness. Technically is changing so fast. I would never buy one currently.
This is in fact why I can’t jump on board with a EV as much as I’m willing too try …..
Why?
It's not just the price of the battery, but just how the labor is to fix it. They have to remove the whole bottom.
Hopefully , car manufacturers will develop their battery repair abilities so that you will rarely ever need to replace the complete battery.
Never happen. They use Proprietary technology to ensure nobody but them can touch their batteries.
I drive a 26 year old Benz, which in itself is very durable... Will I ever be able to drive an over 20 year old battery equiped EV? I do not believe battery driven EVs are truly sustainable... Engine failure in an old ICE vehicle does not cost that much. If the engine would fail on my Benz, I can replace it with a good used unit for around 2500$ max... I have driven petrol Volvo's with over 400.000 miles without any problems... Very, very sustainable. If you stick to ICE cars with proper engines, i.e. not 1 liter engine with a number of turbo's just to make it economical, repair costs will be quite reasonable. Using older products (not just cars) is sustainable. And repairs usually are done by local shops, so you also support the local economy.
Craps you can 3 used cars for the price of EV aaa battery pack
the most vulnerable part of an EV is the batteries, but it is also the part that is install in location that is most prone to damage....
you have to spend 15k every 100k miles? my old diesel mercedes will make a million with the original engine, is this a scam or what
One thing no one is mentioning is Resale value - should the original Owner want to sell.
Good luck with that.
The Hyundai DEALERSHIP wasn’t willing to cut the owner some some slack. Of course not, they were trying to rip them off.
The percentage rate of fires in hybrids sold is, apparently, greater than that of ICE cars, which is also greater than that of EV's. It would be VERY informative to learn the percentages for each manufacturer's hybrid vehicles. (BTW, I owned a. 2010 Prius and a 2012 Prius V - both of which had zero problems of any kind.)
I'm not aware of any data for North America that breaks down fires by vehicle type. Sweden tracks this, however, and they found that ICE vehicles are about 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs.
@@carhelpcorner Interesting to note that we see reports of of every EV fire, but few reports of ICE fires.
No aftermarket unit should be More expensive than the whole as purchased. Unless Is a rare, collective vehicle.
Isn't 2017 Ioniq a hybrid?
With regards to hybrids I'm ok with standard hybrids that use old NiCad batteries. But I'm not a fan of PHEV or some of the newer generation hybrids. The reason for this is I'm not a fan of Lithium Ion NMC batteries next to gas lines. Internal combustion next to Lithium batteries sounds like the worst of both worlds. I would recommend only PHEV if like EV, they transition to the safer, longer lasting, cheaper although less power dense LFP or LFPM type batteries.
EV batteries should have lifelong reliability and warranty. Carmakers should replace the battery or the whole car or compensate based on fix rate fluctuation market value if it's broken in less than 15 years.