in highschool, Economics is an Elective, and only a third of the students ever take it. and we are supposed to believe our education system ISNT FAILING OUR CHILDREN and isnt rigged to produce complacent little worker bees to serve as labor slaves to the 1% for the rest of eternity ?
Thanks to everyone here for listening to me act like I know what I'm talking about. I noticed some comments about the audio messing up...it gets better about 20 minutes in.
I found this conversation super interesting. Love your videos, by the way. This was a collaboration I was looking forward to. Ever since you talked to Steven.
@@Dloopgroopi feel like i align more with the conservative party on most topics but i still like listening to others and mr.beat seems to be good faith
@@ghxst7951 yeah I doubt it.... mostly because Mr beat is the definition of bad faith propaganda. Destiny is an example of relatively good faith leftist. If you treat him with respect he won't go all l schizo on you.
Haven’t watched this entire video yet, but I’ve been watching Mr. Beat since the 6th grade and now I’m turning 20 soon. He’s the only UA-camr I consistently watch and I honestly wish he did more things like this. Genuinely a great guy.
Love mr Beat. I’ve always loved history, but didn’t want to be a teacher so now I’m a truss designer 😂 Mr beat sates my curiosity and gaps in knowledge on American history.
Its annoying that people choose to only have a healthy distrust in government systems without any verification behind those systems, yet they choose to fully trust conspiracy theories without any verification whatsoever.
That's because most people that hate the government have no idea what the government does, or the way it works. They all would fail an actual civics class.
A random conspiracy theory is at least as likely to be true as the government is to be honest. Because the government always lies, investigating them can lead you FURTHER from the truth. Investigating a conspiracy will create one, even if one didn't exist yet.
Hey, I really love hearing Destiny and Mr Beat interact. One of the parts that resonated with me was talking about the friend that had a kid and became a lot more right wing. I would say I grew up fairly conservative, but as I got older I started hearing better arguments for policies associated with the left. Healthcare was the start of it because I've had type one diabetes since I was 13. I had a weird situation when I was around 20 where I couldn't be on my parents insurance anymore. I was in school and had two jobs at the time but neither gave me health insurance and I was only able to afford a plan because of Obamacare. I admit I have no clue what prices were before Obamacare, but I was paying I think less than $50 a month and it was some of the best insurance I've had still to this day. But learning about the cost of just keeping myself alive and hearing stories of other diabetics who were in similar situations to me and died because they couldn't afford insulin was really eye opening. So over time I became more left leaning. I starting seeing clips from Hasan, my brother in law introduced my to Vaush and eventually I succumbed to the Destiny orbit. All of this caused a good amount of tension in my marriage. My wife grew up similar to me, but her parents were much more into politics and very conservative. She's moderated her views quite a bit, but still could probably never vote for a Democrat. Finally my point, we had our first kid last year and both our moms and her Grandma have become super antivax and beg her not to vaccinate our kid at all (even though all of their kids were fully vaccinated with even new vaccines at the time). It's caused a lot of fights and it makes her stressed out going to doctors appointments because she knows I'm always going to want to get him vaccinated with at least something. I had sent my mother in law the hbomberguy video about the antivax movement in the 80s hoping it could change her mind even a little bit. She only got about 15 minutes in before turning it off. Later she told my wife and i to read a book called turtles all the way down (not the John Green one, the antivax one that makes it really hard to find any criticism of it) that's like 500 pages long. I read a few sections with easily found wrong information and told her I'm not going to waste hours of my life on this trash when she wouldn't watch an hour and a half long video I sent her. All this is to say I understand how it could be very easy to go along with wrong beliefs in the interest of maintaining family relationships. I've fought tooth and nail and it's barely made a difference. My kid is still behind on vaccines and I've literally changed no one's mind. Also note for Destiny about the actual podcast, I noticed a faint humming and lots of low frequency noses when people would hit the table or blow into the mics. I have some experience in audio, but I don't get the chance to practice that much so take this with a grain of salt. The humming sounds like a ground issue. My understanding is if you have different pieces of audio equipment plugged into different circuits, there can be a difference in the ground circuits that causes a weird humming. From what I've heard the solution is to just plug everything audio into one outlet, but that's not always possible. If you're going to wait a week or two before posting the video anyway, you could just use a noise reducer effect on it and that should clean it up nicely. For the rumbling, insulators in-between the table and mic stands can help, but you might be able to get away with a high pass filter up to 100ish hz. Voices don't really go that low so cutting out frequencies below that probably won't lose anything other than the booming sound. I'm pretty sure OBS has a built-in plug-in for that, but I'm sure there are also add-ons you can use.
I don't know your whole situation nor the other sides of the story but if your wife is knowingly endangering the health of your child just to appease political beliefs then it may be time for intervention. It is fine to debate politics and to disagree but when a childs health is at risk because of the disagreement it is no longer ok. You are a father and have every right just as much as her to make decisions for the child and I would assert this.
I don't know your whole situation nor the other sides of the story but if your wife is knowingly endangering the health of your child just to appease political beliefs then it may be time for intervention. It is fine to debate politics and to disagree but when a childs health is at risk because of the disagreement it is no longer ok. You are a father and have every right just as much as her to make decisions for the child and I would assert this.
@@cr082080 I appreciate the concern. The issue with an intervention is I don't have the support system who will fight to get him vaccinated. Right now our agreement is to get at least one vaccine every appointment unless he's not feeling well, and we're scheduling extra appointments to make up vaccines we have skipped. My wife's concern is if he gets multiple vaccines at once and has a bad reaction to one we won't know which one caused it. I have suggested that once he has one dose of a vaccine and has shown to not have a severe reaction, then it should be okay to get the next dose if it's on the schedule along with a new vaccine, but she still isn't comfortable with that idea. We've had lots of discussions and arguments about it and unfortunately it's hard to keep fighting when everyone else disagrees with me. If I were to bring it up with our less unhinged family and friends, they would likely conclude that my wife's opinion is more reasonable and I'm being crazy because government bad and vaccine scary. I keep pushing to keep our son protected and I feel like where we've landed is better than him not getting vaccinated at all. He got his first dose of the MMR recently and has done really well so far and feel accomplished with that because I knew that one in particular would be a battle.
Anyone else been binging Mr. Beat content? Never thought I'd consume this much content from a high school teacher in Kansas lol! Love him! About to dig into this convo 🍽
kyla, you did an excellent job co-leading the engagement in this podcast. you were truly listening, and asking thought-provoking questions. keep it up.
Just getting through the start I’m glad she acknowledged the active listening thing it bothered me a lot because it seemed fake 😂 knowing it’s just a habit makes me feel better
Watching these people talk is like watching what goes on in my brain every day. I never have anyone to have such discussions with. I greatly appreciate you guys sharing these discussions, your thoughts and insights.
34:00 - Kyla's input îs so true. A society that doesn't value humility is one that is intellectually stunted. This is a problem that should be fixed, not embraced.
To what Kyla was saying about negative consequences around admitting fault: Yes, it is great to immediately admit being wrong and switch your position when receiving appropriate info/understanding. However, the better ideal to strive for is not having a stance/hard opinion and saying "I dont have the relative info to have an opinion, therefore I dont know", instead of giving a misinformed or under informed opinion and admitting being wrong constantly. Its totally possible Kyla believes this for the same reasons, but the way she framed it left some ambiguity.
Very glad to see this episode after my macroecon college textbook tried to tell me that “if we redistribute wealth people will be less inclined to work making the economy pie smaller”
“Pro-tariff” _can_ be a red flag. Context and implementation is key. An agrarian society rich in natural resources is more poised to shift toward industry and manufacturing both artisanal and mechanized, providing the agricultural sector is protected as a key player in building and maintaining autonomy. A trinity of agriculture, industrial, and manufacturing policy; it repeatably works, as history shows. Made in 19th century USA. However. Wells run dry, mines become exhausted. Then you must adapt. Service economies in developed post-industrial states are trickier… unsuitable to protection as they are much more reliant on complicated foreign relations; susceptible to global supply chain disruption. Plus policy has to protect mostly amorphous abstracts rather than tangibles. Theoretical whackamole. Good luck!
Idk he only referenced neoliberal economic theory as "economics". That is a red flag for me. It's not the only theory and it cannot explain a lot of history, especially developemental economics. Currently reading HaJoon Chang and he is very explicit about that.
@@UnofficialLesTwins Nocuh thinks there are cases where tariffs are a good idea, such as in developing countries. South Korea built its car industry by tariffing foreign car companies, so only the domestic manufacturers were competing. These were subsidised by the South Korean Government. There was also a requirement to sell some cars abroad, to prove that company could provide a car that's competitive for the international market. Anyone who couldn't, lost their subsidies. @Clemsmartin1034 says Mr Beast is only talking about neoliberal economics/economies, which is broadly Western countries + Japan and Korea. It's a part of economics and a red flag to me that Br Meat doesn't recognise the use cases for tariffs.
Several eastern asian countries had phenomenal growth over the last decades, all of them implementing strong tariffs in the sectors they were developing in their country to make it work. Many countries are to this day held down from developing their own sectors because of strongly developed competition from other countries and free trade agreements with those. This is (seems to me to be) clear empirical evidence that this blanket statement of >free trade is good< is wrong. Mr. Beat hopefully has a much mor nuanced view and has just reacted here very one sided, one would have to watch his videos on economy, but after this and the Georgianism I fear I'd dislike his content and I'd rather spend my time with content I like (=my bubble ;) )
It seems that Canada (some parts of it at least) are introducing a Vacant Home Tax of 1% of property value per year. If the homes been vacant for 6+months, the owner pays the fee. This is combat the many rich or corporate businesses that use homes as investment and hold up the market by refusing to rent/sell homes at sane prices, keeping the floor pricing very high. At 1% it may not be enough to solve the problem but its a good start and will hopefully push the investors to at least lower pricing and fill out more homes.
Off topic: I was thinking how it would be nice to archive history books form around the country and was thinking maybe a guy like you (Mr. Beat) could set up a way to collect them to show how they are tailored to specific areas of our country and how they have changed things over time. Make a museum! The Museum of US History Books.
The first time I came to the internal realization really that "history is not inevitable" was reading about Hitler's rise, and there was a lutheran, protestant, something pastor who spoke after the war. And the cliff notes of his comments were "We knew it was wrong, and if we had the courage to stand and say "No, we refuse to let this happen" at the start, 40 or 50 or 60 thousand of us, we may all have died but the collective shock of that might have driven germany away from Hitler"
at 10:00 - tariffs are essential, I think, because, here in EU union we have strict regulations on how to produce goods(pollution/waste management for example) whereas outside of EU they dont have those - they can save a lot of money by not adhering to standards, import and cripple the competition inside EU
The video Destiny is referring to at 1:18:52 is called "Oswald Acted Alone" by Sean Munger. The part of the video he's referring to is "chapter 4 The Bank Robbery Analogy"
He misused the term negative reinforcement... negative reinforcement is NOT the application of punishment, it is the REMOVAL of a negative when the desired behavior is observed.
I also hate that we have to accept others false use of words. Like theory, racism, and i even heard religion being misused and it's just to enforce an agenda or train of thought that just makes further division. We have definite define definition for these words and context of use. Idk why we are giving the average person weight on defining words 10 ways for dumb leaps of ignorance and logic. We should have some institutions to regulate how things are define. I'm fine with language changing and evolving but not in a way that makes things 10 times harder ans divisive
@@hopeintruth5119 Don't turn it into a conspiracy. Terms like negative reinforcement simply acquire new meanings because regular people encounter them and don't quite understand what they mean to scientists. It's a very reasonable and easy mistake to assume negative reinforcement means reinforcing a behaviour by applying punishment. You can't say you're fine with language changing and then object when language changes in completely natural and common ways.
It’s a lot easier for socially awkward people to explore new ideas. If you’ve never had that many friends or don’t fit in it’s easy to give that up to make yourself happier. Your family can destroy your life. Your friends can destroy your life if you just fall in line with everyone
@@connorpeppermint8635these guys got my thoughts going lol I was just thinking that people just go along with stuff if they feel like they belong in a group and are well respected by that group and taken care of by that group. The person who gets outcasted or doesn’t belong to a group and may not feel taken care of by that group may separate themselves from that group or its ideas in order to protect themselves or better take care of themselves. If you get bullied a lot for example you might find another way of living your life superior to what the mainstream group believes is the best way to move forward. Especially because that group may not be beneficial to your survival. Sometimes it’s good to take a step back and think for yourself instead of just doing what others think you should do. Of course there’s bad ideas that people have like becoming a criminal or getting themselves into trouble but as long as you aren’t hurting people it can be smart to find your own direction to move forward.
@@Odinarcade00 I've maintained for a while now that no one (rarely) comes to political conclusions through rational analysis and this idea feels like it fills in the gaps
@@connorpeppermint8635 oh well that’s good! Glad I could help. I do feel like there is always a bias on both sides. I personally vote on concrete policies rather than political characters. I’m more interested in the results of right now because it affects me and my family. Best advice I could ever give is pay attention to the push and pull of both corporations and the government. Those two institutions control everything.
That makes alot of sense as someone on the spectrum for Autism. Because I’m wired differently, I’ve never fully fit in. But that has probably enabled me to think for myself more.
What kids forget is that they were dumb. The teacher is constantly dumbing down telling the lesson to connect the lesson to our current everyday life. If a teacher connects his lessons to gaming but nobody is a gamer or played the games they wont be interested. What we need are more teachers who are willing to deal with the daily bs that comes with job. A raise would help.
"I'm not going to sit here and debate whether or not you can eat children alive because it's a super French belief" really threw me off until I realized lol. Listening to Destiny at high speed is not easy at times
One of the best teachers I ever had let students "sacrifice" themselves for this marshmallow diminishing returns experiment. Basically had to eat as many as you could, rating how satisfying each one was. By like 20 people were rating them 2's and 1's. Some kid got like 80ish and the record was in the hundreds. Cool guy, he's living his dream rn so I'm glad for him
@@bluesh0es just because something is in high demand initially, once the population has had enough and can't keep up with the supply, it becomes unwanted and ultimately a burden
95% of the country doesnt have 500k to dump in stock and get insanely lucky with NVIDIA or Tesla, so I agree the bias is heavily in favor against poor and middle class people.
@@wemakecookie This is questionable. Yes, they serve a function only because it enhances their profitability, but they aren't doing it for charity or to affect some world good. There is a reason most food in the US isn't healthy.
Mr Beat was a great guest, teaching high achool econ is not an easy topic to get students engaged so he's doing great work engaging fresh minds in an important topic to our daily lives. Unrelated but opening with the conversation about Kyla actively listening has primed me to notice her resisting her urges and it's really funny.
1:56:40 This is why more zoning and housing policy needs to be done at the state and maybe county level. The interests of present residents is weighed way too heavily against the interests of people interested in moving there. In the case of California for example, the state government has started to do a lot more YIMBY policies while cities like SF are stalling. In most states especially large ones, there tends to be a majority in favor of pro housing supply policies, it is mostly just city level governments that are blocking progress. The good thing is that the state government has total power in this regard if they choose to use it, and we have seen this start to change in a few states as the majority is waking up to how NIMBYism is screwing our cost of living. I am pretty bullish on us succeeding, I don't think the democratic problem is as bad as Destiny seems to think it is. Even in many of these NIMBY cities the NIMBYs are just a loud effective minority. Most people there are not homeowners
my marketing professor made me fall asleep 💀 cause ik most of thing things being taught i was providing 70% of the answers in that class when he tried to engage us
also will always have examples to prove his ideological bias rather than be even and provide examples from both sides. trust institutions unless i don't like the outcome
My sister and i are the lone liberals in our whole family. The best thanksgiving ever was when it was my nanas turn to say what she was greatful for she said that we accept and love one another despire our differances and our disagreements and lifestyle. That no matter what we will always be family. I got up and gave her a hug regardless if that was directed towards me or not. Ill never torget that. I really do feel badly for people who arent able to be themselves around their love ones. That reminds me. I need to call mt grandparents😊
As someone who is generally pretty critical of Destiny (from the left), I have to say this was a good conversation. However, things really fall apart for me when pro-capitalist folks start talking about how billionaire CEO's would be fine is they just had some kind of "moral obligation" to reinvest their money into the common good. This reward system cannot exist under capitalism because the idea of unending growth and wealth is inherent to the fabric of capitalism. You cannot expect those to benefit from a system which is geared towards wealth and income disparity to use their profits to benefit the working class. It would be a complete contradiction of what capitalists are trying to achieve. This is why folks on the left see capitalism as an immoral and unviable system. You cannot extract morality from exploitation.
That growth thing more of an effect of fiat currency I think. Without constant growth, fiat kinda fails. But with fiat there's a lot of levers to keep things from really failing. I think fiat is a necessary evil, but capitalism doesn't have to go hand in hand with fiat currency.
Capitalism is good for a country, but only to a point. If you do not constrain capitalism with regulation and balance it with socialism (while also putting some constraints around socialism), then it will create massive wealth inequality, financialize every aspect of life, and psychological manipulation will grow as a marketing method as it becomes harder and harder to sustain growth.
@@DougDepker you cannot have socialism and capitalism coexisting in the same system as they are diametrically opposed to one another. They will always battle each other. One argument against capitalism is that with its concentration of power at the top, you will inevitably lead to monopolies, wealth inequality, etc. because it is in the capitalists best interest to do this. Capitalism is not good for anyone but those who own capital. Not the workers.
10:09, there is an economist, I can look him up and info in the book if this sparks a convo, where in which it goes over how America used tariffs in order to focus on industry at home rather than shipping products to be manufactured elsewhere. He used South Korea as well as an instance of this, but also discussed how it was part of their development and better with free trade now. The point being tariffs in itself isn’t a negative and can be argued for on the basis of the condition of your country. If someone wants to correct me here, I am not an economist.
This is an intersting observation and I wonder if it point to a cause. If information used to be some much harder to obtain maybe we respected it more, we respected the people who had that information more because it was proof they did the work to find it, where as now everyone thinks they've "read the paper" if they read a little or tweet about it. I wonder if being able to just google something and read a headline has made people both lazy and arrogant about the amount of knowledge they have, that it has attack our ability to be humble when it comes to knowledge. Then on top of that we have the demand for everyone everwhere to have an opinion on everything as a form of purity test and its no wonder so many groups are so divested form reality and actually facts. Not only have the sophists taken power, but their behavior is actively rewarded and encouraged by our various reward systems.
I think one of the big shifts in American history was the move away from the pension system to individual retirements. Pension systems forced people to save for retirement and also allowed people to benefit from business and capital growth. Now YOU have to choose to purchase stocks and not everyone does that, therefore not everyone benefits from the growth in American business. Instead a lot of those resources have went into the consumer economy.
This show is rapidly improving. The resources you can put into it certainly help, but this feels like a lot of good research and conversation coming together to really better the product. The quality of the video/sound has gotten so much better, but also you two are finding a better rhythm a lot more quickly that podcast cohosts tend to
The amount of people that think its even possible to be 100% sure of something is scary. But on a practical level they still think everything they know or believe are correct. We are bad at brain stuff
In most interactions between humans and other animals the humans are the ones at fault because humans are intrusive, invasive, exploitative, and abusive to other animals as a rule- and even if they mean well humans are moral agents whereas other animals are moral patients. It is a recognition of what makes us unique and holding ourselves to a higher standard when people defend animals.
Destiny is not geared for interviewing. Your skill, and the work you've done to be an active listener are apparent and more than functional. But there is an empathy exercise in consistently giving the space for another to talk at the expense of one's own ideas. If you want to podcast better, put your interviewee as more important than yourself in your mind.
Did they seriously all admit they have no idea what critical thinking is, then spend actual time describing critical thinking and lamenting it's not taught enough?
When NotSoErudite talked about experts who are terrible at predictions, I immediately thought of Nate Silver, the pollster guy who is now being funded by Peter Thiel after leaving FiveThirtyEight
Previous Ep (RUGGED MAN)
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can you see economics away from power and psychology?
Erudite is so fine
@@b1bbscraz3y i bet you can fix her
@@kungfujoe2136 I can 🙏
in highschool, Economics is an Elective, and only a third of the students ever take it. and we are supposed to believe our education system ISNT FAILING OUR CHILDREN and isnt rigged to produce complacent little worker bees to serve as labor slaves to the 1% for the rest of eternity ?
Thanks to everyone here for listening to me act like I know what I'm talking about. I noticed some comments about the audio messing up...it gets better about 20 minutes in.
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You know way more than most
I found this conversation super interesting. Love your videos, by the way. This was a collaboration I was looking forward to. Ever since you talked to Steven.
@@iammrbeat are your the lead singer of weezer
Luv ya Mr beat. There should be a whole series of you teaching Destiny history! Good chemistry here
We need to acknowledge not only is Mr. Beat very smart.
He’s also jacked. Definition of a sleeper build.
Fr I had no idea mrbeat was so swole i figured he was skinny lol I guess because his face and neck are pretty thin
Mr. Beat Yo Ass
@@XavierKhrone Why does that go so hard lol
My arms were that thick once…
Mr. Meat
Legendary guest pick. My faith in humanity increases as Mr. Beat becomes more popular.
😂🤣 you act like leftist propaganda is some new genre.
@@Dloopgroopi feel like i align more with the conservative party on most topics but i still like listening to others and mr.beat seems to be good faith
@@ghxst7951 yeah I doubt it.... mostly because Mr beat is the definition of bad faith propaganda. Destiny is an example of relatively good faith leftist. If you treat him with respect he won't go all l schizo on you.
@@ghxst7951 mr beat is the opposite of good faith. Destiny is good faith mostly as a leftist. Mr beat is a liar. Propagandist. Like phil defranco.
@@Dloopgroophistorical and economic reasoning upset you?
Mr beat gives off massive weezer fan energy
Ooo-wee-ooo, he looks just like Buddy Holly
@@trax72 this guy wrestles! (with jimmy)
he said before that weezer is his favorite band, much of the music that he makes is very weezer (blue and pinkerton especially) inspired
He is 💀
Nice pfp
If Mr. Beast were here I wouldn't have clicked the video. I'm here for Mr. Beat
Haven’t watched this entire video yet, but I’ve been watching Mr. Beat since the 6th grade and now I’m turning 20 soon. He’s the only UA-camr I consistently watch and I honestly wish he did more things like this. Genuinely a great guy.
Ong he's so cool
Yessir :)
Love mr Beat. I’ve always loved history, but didn’t want to be a teacher so now I’m a truss designer 😂 Mr beat sates my curiosity and gaps in knowledge on American history.
One of the most wholesome, regular dudes online honestly.
Yeah he supports the based cause through and through and I can support fhat
"We live in a society" -Mr Beat 🗣🗣🗣
mrs breast is best
hey try convincing maga people of that... they certainly don't give a damn
Its annoying that people choose to only have a healthy distrust in government systems without any verification behind those systems, yet they choose to fully trust conspiracy theories without any verification whatsoever.
B-b-b-but the tuskegee experiment!!!
That's because most people that hate the government have no idea what the government does, or the way it works. They all would fail an actual civics class.
A random conspiracy theory is at least as likely to be true as the government is to be honest.
Because the government always lies, investigating them can lead you FURTHER from the truth.
Investigating a conspiracy will create one, even if one didn't exist yet.
@@realGBx64 And they will bring tuskegee or mkultra as if no one is aware of those programs. But they are literally in history textbooks.
I agree
The guest list on this podcast is really really high quality please keep it up
much better than Ivanka Trump lmao. Lex is so lost.
When Mr Beat was walking about people making wrong predictions, I was reminded of Tim Pool's "50 state landslide" prediction...
oh yeah he hates tim pool, I knew immediately that's who he was talking about
Tim “civil war any day now “ Pool
@@thelevelbeyondhuman the fella from Canada calling for civil war in America. Such a strange world we live in
Tim pool has tin foil lining his beanie.
Change that too "Tim Pool's prediction".
Hey, I really love hearing Destiny and Mr Beat interact. One of the parts that resonated with me was talking about the friend that had a kid and became a lot more right wing. I would say I grew up fairly conservative, but as I got older I started hearing better arguments for policies associated with the left. Healthcare was the start of it because I've had type one diabetes since I was 13. I had a weird situation when I was around 20 where I couldn't be on my parents insurance anymore. I was in school and had two jobs at the time but neither gave me health insurance and I was only able to afford a plan because of Obamacare. I admit I have no clue what prices were before Obamacare, but I was paying I think less than $50 a month and it was some of the best insurance I've had still to this day. But learning about the cost of just keeping myself alive and hearing stories of other diabetics who were in similar situations to me and died because they couldn't afford insulin was really eye opening. So over time I became more left leaning. I starting seeing clips from Hasan, my brother in law introduced my to Vaush and eventually I succumbed to the Destiny orbit.
All of this caused a good amount of tension in my marriage. My wife grew up similar to me, but her parents were much more into politics and very conservative. She's moderated her views quite a bit, but still could probably never vote for a Democrat. Finally my point, we had our first kid last year and both our moms and her Grandma have become super antivax and beg her not to vaccinate our kid at all (even though all of their kids were fully vaccinated with even new vaccines at the time). It's caused a lot of fights and it makes her stressed out going to doctors appointments because she knows I'm always going to want to get him vaccinated with at least something. I had sent my mother in law the hbomberguy video about the antivax movement in the 80s hoping it could change her mind even a little bit. She only got about 15 minutes in before turning it off. Later she told my wife and i to read a book called turtles all the way down (not the John Green one, the antivax one that makes it really hard to find any criticism of it) that's like 500 pages long. I read a few sections with easily found wrong information and told her I'm not going to waste hours of my life on this trash when she wouldn't watch an hour and a half long video I sent her.
All this is to say I understand how it could be very easy to go along with wrong beliefs in the interest of maintaining family relationships. I've fought tooth and nail and it's barely made a difference. My kid is still behind on vaccines and I've literally changed no one's mind.
Also note for Destiny about the actual podcast, I noticed a faint humming and lots of low frequency noses when people would hit the table or blow into the mics. I have some experience in audio, but I don't get the chance to practice that much so take this with a grain of salt. The humming sounds like a ground issue. My understanding is if you have different pieces of audio equipment plugged into different circuits, there can be a difference in the ground circuits that causes a weird humming. From what I've heard the solution is to just plug everything audio into one outlet, but that's not always possible. If you're going to wait a week or two before posting the video anyway, you could just use a noise reducer effect on it and that should clean it up nicely. For the rumbling, insulators in-between the table and mic stands can help, but you might be able to get away with a high pass filter up to 100ish hz. Voices don't really go that low so cutting out frequencies below that probably won't lose anything other than the booming sound. I'm pretty sure OBS has a built-in plug-in for that, but I'm sure there are also add-ons you can use.
I don't know your whole situation nor the other sides of the story but if your wife is knowingly endangering the health of your child just to appease political beliefs then it may be time for intervention. It is fine to debate politics and to disagree but when a childs health is at risk because of the disagreement it is no longer ok.
You are a father and have every right just as much as her to make decisions for the child and I would assert this.
I don't know your whole situation nor the other sides of the story but if your wife is knowingly endangering the health of your child just to appease political beliefs then it may be time for intervention. It is fine to debate politics and to disagree but when a childs health is at risk because of the disagreement it is no longer ok.
You are a father and have every right just as much as her to make decisions for the child and I would assert this.
@@cr082080 I appreciate the concern. The issue with an intervention is I don't have the support system who will fight to get him vaccinated. Right now our agreement is to get at least one vaccine every appointment unless he's not feeling well, and we're scheduling extra appointments to make up vaccines we have skipped. My wife's concern is if he gets multiple vaccines at once and has a bad reaction to one we won't know which one caused it. I have suggested that once he has one dose of a vaccine and has shown to not have a severe reaction, then it should be okay to get the next dose if it's on the schedule along with a new vaccine, but she still isn't comfortable with that idea. We've had lots of discussions and arguments about it and unfortunately it's hard to keep fighting when everyone else disagrees with me. If I were to bring it up with our less unhinged family and friends, they would likely conclude that my wife's opinion is more reasonable and I'm being crazy because government bad and vaccine scary. I keep pushing to keep our son protected and I feel like where we've landed is better than him not getting vaccinated at all. He got his first dose of the MMR recently and has done really well so far and feel accomplished with that because I knew that one in particular would be a battle.
Mr Beat. Good call.
love him
Anyone else been binging Mr. Beat content? Never thought I'd consume this much content from a high school teacher in Kansas lol! Love him! About to dig into this convo 🍽
he’s awesome, and i really appreciate what he’s done in terms of making accessible free educational content 🙏🏻
Dude I love his supreme court videos. There's so much knowledge in a bitesized youtube video!
kyla, you did an excellent job co-leading the engagement in this podcast. you were truly listening, and asking thought-provoking questions.
keep it up.
Just getting through the start I’m glad she acknowledged the active listening thing it bothered me a lot because it seemed fake 😂 knowing it’s just a habit makes me feel better
Glazing
I agree
@@henry-jsIs it glazing when its a woman? Is it licking? What is the terminologh here.
@@viderevero1338 Major simp here 🤣
Watching these people talk is like watching what goes on in my brain every day. I never have anyone to have such discussions with. I greatly appreciate you guys sharing these discussions, your thoughts and insights.
So happy to see Mr beast giving back to the community by showing up on smaller shows
I actually found this guy when i was searching for Mr. Beast videos. Glad i misclicked onto his channel.
34:00 - Kyla's input îs so true. A society that doesn't value humility is one that is intellectually stunted. This is a problem that should be fixed, not embraced.
Mr. Beat is a very rare case of a sane human being on the internet.
Fearmongering gets more clicks
Hoomans are not even real.
Amazing audio, love the ear bleed inducing buzz in the background. Very high quality
Its destiny's Ki that is causing that buzz. Nothing can be done about it. He's too powerful
Just finished #9 and #10 just dropped, I'm so happy.
To what Kyla was saying about negative consequences around admitting fault:
Yes, it is great to immediately admit being wrong and switch your position when receiving appropriate info/understanding. However, the better ideal to strive for is not having a stance/hard opinion and saying "I dont have the relative info to have an opinion, therefore I dont know", instead of giving a misinformed or under informed opinion and admitting being wrong constantly.
Its totally possible Kyla believes this for the same reasons, but the way she framed it left some ambiguity.
Very glad to see this episode after my macroecon college textbook tried to tell me that “if we redistribute wealth people will be less inclined to work making the economy pie smaller”
The best way to teach kids about percentages other than 0, 50, 100 is to force them to play XCOM and watch their soldiers miss 95% accuracy shots.
“Pro-tariff” _can_ be a red flag. Context and implementation is key.
An agrarian society rich in natural resources is more poised to shift toward industry and manufacturing both artisanal and mechanized, providing the agricultural sector is protected as a key player in building and maintaining autonomy. A trinity of agriculture, industrial, and manufacturing policy; it repeatably works, as history shows. Made in 19th century USA.
However. Wells run dry, mines become exhausted. Then you must adapt.
Service economies in developed post-industrial states are trickier… unsuitable to protection as they are much more reliant on complicated foreign relations; susceptible to global supply chain disruption. Plus policy has to protect mostly amorphous abstracts rather than tangibles. Theoretical whackamole. Good luck!
Idk he only referenced neoliberal economic theory as "economics". That is a red flag for me. It's not the only theory and it cannot explain a lot of history, especially developemental economics. Currently reading HaJoon Chang and he is very explicit about that.
I’m going to pretend like I understand what you guys are saying and just nod my head because it sounds smart
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Nocuh thinks there are cases where tariffs are a good idea, such as in developing countries.
South Korea built its car industry by tariffing foreign car companies, so only the domestic manufacturers were competing. These were subsidised by the South Korean Government. There was also a requirement to sell some cars abroad, to prove that company could provide a car that's competitive for the international market. Anyone who couldn't, lost their subsidies.
@Clemsmartin1034 says Mr Beast is only talking about neoliberal economics/economies, which is broadly Western countries + Japan and Korea. It's a part of economics and a red flag to me that Br Meat doesn't recognise the use cases for tariffs.
Several eastern asian countries had phenomenal growth over the last decades, all of them implementing strong tariffs in the sectors they were developing in their country to make it work. Many countries are to this day held down from developing their own sectors because of strongly developed competition from other countries and free trade agreements with those.
This is (seems to me to be) clear empirical evidence that this blanket statement of >free trade is good< is wrong. Mr. Beat hopefully has a much mor nuanced view and has just reacted here very one sided, one would have to watch his videos on economy, but after this and the Georgianism I fear I'd dislike his content and I'd rather spend my time with content I like (=my bubble ;) )
It seems that Canada (some parts of it at least) are introducing a Vacant Home Tax of 1% of property value per year. If the homes been vacant for 6+months, the owner pays the fee. This is combat the many rich or corporate businesses that use homes as investment and hold up the market by refusing to rent/sell homes at sane prices, keeping the floor pricing very high.
At 1% it may not be enough to solve the problem but its a good start and will hopefully push the investors to at least lower pricing and fill out more homes.
Off topic: I was thinking how it would be nice to archive history books form around the country and was thinking maybe a guy like you (Mr. Beat) could set up a way to collect them to show how they are tailored to specific areas of our country and how they have changed things over time. Make a museum! The Museum of US History Books.
The first time I came to the internal realization really that "history is not inevitable" was reading about Hitler's rise, and there was a lutheran, protestant, something pastor who spoke after the war. And the cliff notes of his comments were "We knew it was wrong, and if we had the courage to stand and say "No, we refuse to let this happen" at the start, 40 or 50 or 60 thousand of us, we may all have died but the collective shock of that might have driven germany away from Hitler"
I thought our girl Destiny was on a little too much red bull when I first started watching him, but damn Erudite moves like a straight up cartoon.
at 10:00 - tariffs are essential, I think, because, here in EU union we have strict regulations on how to produce goods(pollution/waste management for example) whereas outside of EU they dont have those - they can save a lot of money by not adhering to standards, import and cripple the competition inside EU
there are reasons to do tariffs they just aren't economic reasons also there is other remedies for this
@@elijahwebster4325what is another solution for it?
The guy obviously is an ideologue. Very shallow takes.
Yea, giant red flag that he does not understand the utility of tariffs.
This is the nicest I’ve ever seen Destiny look and I have mixed feelings 😂😅
I know his face looks nice
Love Mr. Beat, this episode made me happy
The video Destiny is referring to at 1:18:52 is called "Oswald Acted Alone" by Sean Munger. The part of the video he's referring to is "chapter 4 The Bank Robbery Analogy"
That Munger vid is amazing. That dude should also come on the podcast
He misused the term negative reinforcement... negative reinforcement is NOT the application of punishment, it is the REMOVAL of a negative when the desired behavior is observed.
interesting
I also hate that we have to accept others false use of words. Like theory, racism, and i even heard religion being misused and it's just to enforce an agenda or train of thought that just makes further division. We have definite define definition for these words and context of use. Idk why we are giving the average person weight on defining words 10 ways for dumb leaps of ignorance and logic. We should have some institutions to regulate how things are define. I'm fine with language changing and evolving but not in a way that makes things 10 times harder ans divisive
@@hopeintruth5119 Don't turn it into a conspiracy. Terms like negative reinforcement simply acquire new meanings because regular people encounter them and don't quite understand what they mean to scientists. It's a very reasonable and easy mistake to assume negative reinforcement means reinforcing a behaviour by applying punishment. You can't say you're fine with language changing and then object when language changes in completely natural and common ways.
It’s a lot easier for socially awkward people to explore new ideas. If you’ve never had that many friends or don’t fit in it’s easy to give that up to make yourself happier. Your family can destroy your life. Your friends can destroy your life if you just fall in line with everyone
Holy shit never thought of it this way. Very well put
@@connorpeppermint8635these guys got my thoughts going lol I was just thinking that people just go along with stuff if they feel like they belong in a group and are well respected by that group and taken care of by that group. The person who gets outcasted or doesn’t belong to a group and may not feel taken care of by that group may separate themselves from that group or its ideas in order to protect themselves or better take care of themselves. If you get bullied a lot for example you might find another way of living your life superior to what the mainstream group believes is the best way to move forward. Especially because that group may not be beneficial to your survival. Sometimes it’s good to take a step back and think for yourself instead of just doing what others think you should do. Of course there’s bad ideas that people have like becoming a criminal or getting themselves into trouble but as long as you aren’t hurting people it can be smart to find your own direction to move forward.
@@Odinarcade00 I've maintained for a while now that no one (rarely) comes to political conclusions through rational analysis and this idea feels like it fills in the gaps
@@connorpeppermint8635 oh well that’s good! Glad I could help. I do feel like there is always a bias on both sides. I personally vote on concrete policies rather than political characters. I’m more interested in the results of right now because it affects me and my family. Best advice I could ever give is pay attention to the push and pull of both corporations and the government. Those two institutions control everything.
That makes alot of sense as someone on the spectrum for Autism. Because I’m wired differently, I’ve never fully fit in. But that has probably enabled me to think for myself more.
What kids forget is that they were dumb. The teacher is constantly dumbing down telling the lesson to connect the lesson to our current everyday life. If a teacher connects his lessons to gaming but nobody is a gamer or played the games they wont be interested. What we need are more teachers who are willing to deal with the daily bs that comes with job. A raise would help.
Dear god I love mr beat so much
Wasn't this supposed to be a premiere? 🤔
Other than that: LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!!!
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The most frustrating thing about listening to intellectuals is that they don't ever seem to ask "what ok for an average person to be ignorant of?"
Paradox warning (ease up, you'll poop better): would you not listen to the answer, removing your ignorance?
@@therealcorosorry, maybe it's too late where I'm from but I'm not getting what you mean and I'm curious. I think OP has a good point
Celebrities
Sports
Stuff that nobody is talking about when they say that democracy requires an educated public
Mr. Beat’s calm demeanor adds so much weight to his commentary.
Woah Mr. BEAT in a long form podcast. Instant watch....damn near have an instant subscription off one video.
I have been listening to Mr. Beat's content for years. Thanks for having him on!
"I'm not going to sit here and debate whether or not you can eat children alive because it's a super French belief" really threw me off until I realized lol. Listening to Destiny at high speed is not easy at times
We need to get Dan Carlin as a guest.
Help me out by emailing him as a fan, have sent an email inviting but never heard back
One of the best teachers I ever had let students "sacrifice" themselves for this marshmallow diminishing returns experiment. Basically had to eat as many as you could, rating how satisfying each one was. By like 20 people were rating them 2's and 1's. Some kid got like 80ish and the record was in the hundreds.
Cool guy, he's living his dream rn so I'm glad for him
@@bluesh0es just because something is in high demand initially, once the population has had enough and can't keep up with the supply, it becomes unwanted and ultimately a burden
Three of the few people on the internet or in the world who I would consider reputable.
This comment will go unnoticed so I'm going to say - I want someone to look at me like erudite looks at destiny when he's speaking
real recognize real
I noticed ur comment
@@ingmar89 better like and comment mtherfcker
I am looking at you like that rn and you can't see me 😳
FINALLY
"Why can't we celebrate the success of huge corporations?"
95% of the country doesnt have 500k to dump in stock and get insanely lucky with NVIDIA or Tesla, so I agree the bias is heavily in favor against poor and middle class people.
Doesn't mean he's wrong though. Huge corporations create huge value for society undeniably.
@@wemakecookie This is questionable. Yes, they serve a function only because it enhances their profitability, but they aren't doing it for charity or to affect some world good. There is a reason most food in the US isn't healthy.
Wealth disparity isn't an issue. However, when power and law breaking become purchasable then the problem is real.
like he can be very open minded but then simultaneously be dense on certain issues. interesting to watch.
@@Tbot_2 very true
Mr Beat was a great guest, teaching high achool econ is not an easy topic to get students engaged so he's doing great work engaging fresh minds in an important topic to our daily lives.
Unrelated but opening with the conversation about Kyla actively listening has primed me to notice her resisting her urges and it's really funny.
My key strategy for avoiding audience capture is not having an audience.
Steven: Anything else?
Kayla: Im so curious ...
What a nice couple.
Great episode, really good discussion! Bonus Meme at 01:18:21 : Whetchen Gritmer
1:56:40 This is why more zoning and housing policy needs to be done at the state and maybe county level. The interests of present residents is weighed way too heavily against the interests of people interested in moving there. In the case of California for example, the state government has started to do a lot more YIMBY policies while cities like SF are stalling. In most states especially large ones, there tends to be a majority in favor of pro housing supply policies, it is mostly just city level governments that are blocking progress. The good thing is that the state government has total power in this regard if they choose to use it, and we have seen this start to change in a few states as the majority is waking up to how NIMBYism is screwing our cost of living. I am pretty bullish on us succeeding, I don't think the democratic problem is as bad as Destiny seems to think it is. Even in many of these NIMBY cities the NIMBYs are just a loud effective minority. Most people there are not homeowners
my marketing professor made me fall asleep 💀 cause ik most of thing things being taught i was providing 70% of the answers in that class when he tried to engage us
Thanks for interviewing Destiny, mr. Beat!
This was a refreshingly awesome talk. Thank you for this! 💛
also will always have examples to prove his ideological bias rather than be even and provide examples from both sides. trust institutions unless i don't like the outcome
I uncritically agree with everything said in this podcast
I love Mr. Beat. Smart guy, and always fair.
I think the Bridges podcast is the one of the best things Destiny is working on at the moment
My sister and i are the lone liberals in our whole family. The best thanksgiving ever was when it was my nanas turn to say what she was greatful for she said that we accept and love one another despire our differances and our disagreements and lifestyle. That no matter what we will always be family. I got up and gave her a hug regardless if that was directed towards me or not. Ill never torget that. I really do feel badly for people who arent able to be themselves around their love ones. That reminds me. I need to call mt grandparents😊
The only issue with the free trade is: some of us only have their workforce to trade and if you outsource most of that you end up in a desaster
Steven did not figure out what was causing that buzzing sound lol
I also fell asleep in Econ 101. Our professor's opening statement to the class was he didn't want to be there, and it showed.
As someone who is generally pretty critical of Destiny (from the left), I have to say this was a good conversation. However, things really fall apart for me when pro-capitalist folks start talking about how billionaire CEO's would be fine is they just had some kind of "moral obligation" to reinvest their money into the common good. This reward system cannot exist under capitalism because the idea of unending growth and wealth is inherent to the fabric of capitalism. You cannot expect those to benefit from a system which is geared towards wealth and income disparity to use their profits to benefit the working class. It would be a complete contradiction of what capitalists are trying to achieve. This is why folks on the left see capitalism as an immoral and unviable system. You cannot extract morality from exploitation.
That growth thing more of an effect of fiat currency I think. Without constant growth, fiat kinda fails. But with fiat there's a lot of levers to keep things from really failing. I think fiat is a necessary evil, but capitalism doesn't have to go hand in hand with fiat currency.
Capitalism is good for a country, but only to a point. If you do not constrain capitalism with regulation and balance it with socialism (while also putting some constraints around socialism), then it will create massive wealth inequality, financialize every aspect of life, and psychological manipulation will grow as a marketing method as it becomes harder and harder to sustain growth.
@@DougDepker you cannot have socialism and capitalism coexisting in the same system as they are diametrically opposed to one another. They will always battle each other.
One argument against capitalism is that with its concentration of power at the top, you will inevitably lead to monopolies, wealth inequality, etc. because it is in the capitalists best interest to do this. Capitalism is not good for anyone but those who own capital. Not the workers.
@@pwalshofficialactually you can’t have capitalism long term without socialist policies
@@SigFigNewton you either have capitalism or socialism. Regulated capitalism is still capitalism and therefore exploitative.
This was a crazy mash-up to show on my front page. I've seen Destiny outside of the serious debates, but never in this type of light.
Good conversation. Though the audio quality is a bit distracting at times
Mr. Beat mentions tariffs as a kind of negative punisher, but in psychology it would be considered a positive punisher.
Great discussion btw.
10:09, there is an economist, I can look him up and info in the book if this sparks a convo, where in which it goes over how America used tariffs in order to focus on industry at home rather than shipping products to be manufactured elsewhere. He used South Korea as well as an instance of this, but also discussed how it was part of their development and better with free trade now. The point being tariffs in itself isn’t a negative and can be argued for on the basis of the condition of your country. If someone wants to correct me here, I am not an economist.
damn I mustve been a weird kid I loved history books, especially about shipwrecks and disasters
Mr. Beat and Destiny in the same room and I'm like "WOW!!!!"
Keep the quality high on these podcasts, it will pay dividends.
This is an intersting observation and I wonder if it point to a cause. If information used to be some much harder to obtain maybe we respected it more, we respected the people who had that information more because it was proof they did the work to find it, where as now everyone thinks they've "read the paper" if they read a little or tweet about it. I wonder if being able to just google something and read a headline has made people both lazy and arrogant about the amount of knowledge they have, that it has attack our ability to be humble when it comes to knowledge. Then on top of that we have the demand for everyone everwhere to have an opinion on everything as a form of purity test and its no wonder so many groups are so divested form reality and actually facts.
Not only have the sophists taken power, but their behavior is actively rewarded and encouraged by our various reward systems.
Mr. Beat, one of my absolute favorite UA-cam personalities! 💯💯💯
Mr breast give me money
Love how well the podcast is improving, definitely my favorite episode
I think one of the big shifts in American history was the move away from the pension system to individual retirements. Pension systems forced people to save for retirement and also allowed people to benefit from business and capital growth. Now YOU have to choose to purchase stocks and not everyone does that, therefore not everyone benefits from the growth in American business. Instead a lot of those resources have went into the consumer economy.
i love this podcast guys, but what is the audio buzzing?
The audio buzz is actually a coded message tell you to release the Trucker video Dev.
This show is rapidly improving. The resources you can put into it certainly help, but this feels like a lot of good research and conversation coming together to really better the product. The quality of the video/sound has gotten so much better, but also you two are finding a better rhythm a lot more quickly that podcast cohosts tend to
The amount of people that think its even possible to be 100% sure of something is scary. But on a practical level they still think everything they know or believe are correct. We are bad at brain stuff
This was so good! Huge props to everyone involved.
Great video. I don’t agree with everything Mr Beat says, but it’s impossible to argue that he’s not a genuinely good person.
30:50 You could teach people what 15% looks like by having them farm an item from a runescape enemy a few times. 15% is usually a quick drop....
And here we go
This was a fantastic episode, with a guest I had never heard of but was very thoughtful. Thanks keep it up
Love Mr. Beat so much
In most interactions between humans and other animals the humans are the ones at fault because humans are intrusive, invasive, exploitative, and abusive to other animals as a rule- and even if they mean well humans are moral agents whereas other animals are moral patients. It is a recognition of what makes us unique and holding ourselves to a higher standard when people defend animals.
Is it me or did Destiny talk more than the guest lol. Feel like they needed more pointed questions around his expertise.
Destiny is not geared for interviewing. Your skill, and the work you've done to be an active listener are apparent and more than functional. But there is an empathy exercise in consistently giving the space for another to talk at the expense of one's own ideas.
If you want to podcast better, put your interviewee as more important than yourself in your mind.
This guy is great
His name's mr beat because he could obviously beat my ass
Wtf are those arms
America is like a giant Truman show the rest of the world is watching.
Did they seriously all admit they have no idea what critical thinking is, then spend actual time describing critical thinking and lamenting it's not taught enough?
Came for Mr. Beat. Learned something from Kyla too, well done.
When NotSoErudite talked about experts who are terrible at predictions, I immediately thought of Nate Silver, the pollster guy who is now being funded by Peter Thiel after leaving FiveThirtyEight
This has been an eye opening conversation