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Mothball Warships US Navy Ghost Fleet Abandoned Ships
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- How the US Navy keeps old ships in storage at ports all across the country. The mothball reserve fleet of warships has included hundreds of battleships, frigates, destroyers, cruisers and aircraft carriers over the years. A naval history and tour of the nation's aging ghost fleet of historic ships. The Mothball Fleet might be called by some the battleship graveyard but there is more to the story than meets the eye. Take a full tour with us and learn the history of this fascinating hidden place. The storage and dismantling of ships at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.
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The Mothball Fleet of the US Navy, Abandoned Destroyers, Cruisers and Aircraft Carriers. A battleship graveyard. The Dismantling of USS Kitty Hawk. Wreck of the USS Nevada.
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National Archives
US Navy
US Maritime Administration, Department of Transportation
Library of Congress
Department of Defense
Image of USS Iowa in Long Beach by Jonathan Williams
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Image of Bremerton Ship Yard by Jelson25
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Kitty Hawk
Falklands
Belgrano
Battleships
Ghost Fleet
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History
Naval history
Mothball Ships
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USS Arleigh Burke
Arleigh Burke Class
USS Kitty Hawk
Wreck of the USS Nevada
Nimitz class
USS Oliver Hazard Perry
Perry Class
USS Iowa, USS New Jersey, USS Missouri, USS Wisconsin
Great inspiration:
Mark Felton
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In my 29 years of active duty Naval Service, I served on 7 different ships, from aircraft carriers to amphibious assault ships. All but one of them are gone from the fleet, this is to be expected with time. Just like many of us Fleet Sailors, our time will come. With that said, we have all made our mark in history which will live on forever. I salute each and every one of you, Thank You for your service. Fair Winds and Following Seas.
I applaud your service to our country. Thank you sir.
Thank you for your service
I served in USS Ranger for 2 years. I was part of the effort to try and save her.
Basically, I think we need at least 15-17 super carriers. These should be converted back to CVAs (Attack Aircraft Carriers) and smaller carriers to handle the ASW work, as we had when I was in. We need another ship building facility, like Newport News, on the west coast. There's only one dry dock big enough for the carriers - Bremerton, WA. Having only one major ship building company is absolutely absurd, this is exacerbated by Newport News being the only place to build new carriers, to refuel them, and do other maintenance. This whole setup was extremely short sighted by the Navy and the government.
I served on a Korean class destroyer in the late 70s she has been scraped in NC it was based in Charleston SC the ship was the USS DAVIS DD 937 1200 Psi super heated steam plants we made 42 knots I Time after a freshing in the ship yard that old girl was tough took me half way around the world twice and I became a shellback on that ship along with the captain and the exo got a cruise book to prove it.Those 4 years turned me from a boy into a man .I don't regret any of it I'm 65 now and proud I am a veteran.
The Davis came to our on the USS Liberty, AGTR-5, on June 9, 1967.
USS Lexington CVT 16 1979 , 1980. I can still remember the smell to this day, like all Naval Ships
I toured that ship before in Corpus Christi.
I was a Mustang officer for 24 years, but I have been retired from active duty for 20+ years. I was assigned to four ships and rode several others for various lengths of time including several submarines. Every vessel has since been decommissioned, sold to foreign governments, sold as scrap, or sunk during large-scale training exercises. It breaks my heart to think about all of those great ships & boats that were our homes and beloved vessels for decades being put out to pasture like that.
Thank you for your service.
Not many hot mid day sunny days in Bremerton.
Hi served on the USS, John F Kennedy and USS forestall in the 70s. I was an AO, and ran the elevator shop on the Forrestal when I was discharged. I would love to see some of the mothball fleet return to service.
Every ship I served on has been decommissioned (USS Sea Devil SSN 664, USS Saratoga CV 60, USS Taylor FFG 50. The USS Frank Cable AS 40 may still be in active service. We need at least a 500 ship Navy.
I served on THACH FFG 43. She was sunk in a RIMPAC sinkex. At least she died with her boots on rather than being cut up or sold off to some third world navy.
I served on the Kitty Hawk in the mid-sixties. A bit of trivia...in the movie, "Seven Days in May", a movie about a plot by the Chairman and several members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff t ol overthrow the government, the Counsel to the President is sent somewhere in the Mediterranean to obtain a sworn affidavit from the Commander of the Sixth Fleet as to his role in the plot. The counsel, portrayed by Martin Balsam, arrives at the Admiral's flagship and as he is escorted across the flight deck, you can plainly see the number 63 emblazoned on the superstructure, which is the number of the USS Kity Hawk! At the time this scene was filmed Kitty Hawk was in San Diego undergoing repairs and I was aboard her. I remember watching the scene being shot while standing well out of camera range!
Just mustering the personnel to serve on those ships right now would be a challenge. Then there's the extra complexity of finding ways to train them on non-current technical systems when the ones who used them in the past are no longer around to teach. Younger generations seem to rely on Googling everything at the last second. Nobody seems to have ready knowledge anymore.
Great point, you're absolutely right. It's infuriating, rather depressing and (I find) quite honestly pretty dangerous as well. Definitely nothing like how it used to be & had been for a very, very long time
I was a radioman on USS Flatley (FFG-21). She decommisioned in '96 and was transferred to the Turkish Navy as TCG Gemlik (F 492).
Yes I served on submarine my first boat the USS Andrew Jackson was decommissioned and entered the submarine recycling program and it’s reactor compartment is buried out west. The size of the Navy should be between 400-600 ships and submarine’s however i believe submarine are more effective.
Thank you for your service.
I served on the Ranger in 1970-71, I believe it was her 4th West-Pac during the Vietnam War. Years later we tried, unsuccessfully to have her saved as a museum ship but she ended up being towed to Brownsville TX. and scrapped. It would have been nice if at least one Forrestall class Super Carrier could have been saved.
The teaser pix includes Forrestals; CV-61 Ranger, and CV-62 Independence, and Kitty hawks; CV-63 Kitty Hawk, CV-64 constellation. Those 4 carriers were in a pix in 2012 at Bremerton. At this time in 2023 all 4 have been sold for scrapping.
All but Kitty Hawk have been entirely scrapped.
Kitty Hawk is probably 65% scrapped at this point. The job will be done by the end of this year... They have saved artifacts and bit and pieces of the hulls and interiors from most if not all these ships. Largest piece of hull saved was the nameplate from the Forrestal. Usually the biggest recycled items are the anchors and anchor chains -- those weigh tons!!! The anchors and anchor chains will go back into active fleet use until they're worn out. The bow anchors for the USS Enterprise/CVN-65 are 67 years old and were both cycled back into the frontline after clean-up and repainting.
A ship's bell was probably saved from all these carriers.
I served on the America and Independence between 1977-1980. I know the America sits 262 miles due east of Cape Hattersa of the N.C. shore. Just found out the Indy is in Bremerton, great ships and better memories!!!
The Independence was scrapped in Brownsville, TX between 2017 and 2019.
Was on the USS Hayler DD997 from 2000-03. Was a Spruance class destroyer. I’m not as much worried about the size of the navy but more worried about the training needed. I think 350 though would be a good number. Oh Hayler was sunk a few years after I transferred. There’s a video of the sinkex online somewhere. Never had the heart to watch it. That was home to me for 3 years
I served on the Coast Guard Cutter WHEC-716 USCGC Dallas, commissioned in 1967 . She was decommissioned in 2012. The vessel was then transferred to the Philippine Navy and renamed BRP Ramon Alcaraz (FF-16). There are some Coast Guard ships that are in some of the storage areas that you spoke about in your video. I know there is one Ice Breaker and I think at least 1 Buoy Tender
It's very difficult for us old salts that served on many different ships and we all bonded not only with the ships but our shipmates as well and it's hard to see the old ones get retired but it's was also retire ourselves. We need a strong navy and well trained sailors to man those ships. 350 is not good enough with all the global bs going on. I'm more in tune with 500 like what president Regan said was needed.
I was an E-2C pilot and served mostly on the USS Kennedy. I also has a few weeks on the Kitty Hawk. Both of those ships are now decommissioned. Last I heard was that the Kennedy was already sold off for scrap which does not sit well with me since I went to war on that ship and have most of my memories of service from that time frame. As for the size of a Navy that we need to properly do the job we are tasked with we will most likely never have enough ships to properly carry out those tasks due to budgets constraints.
Yup- "On 6 October 2021, John F. Kennedy and Kitty Hawk were sold for one-cent each to International Shipbreaking Limited"
I served on a destroyer tender in the 90s. All have been removed from service making it that much harder to repair surface ships overseas. Now ships have to come all the way home to get repaired or we have to pay a shipyard in a foreign country to fix them. A waste of money either way.
I think that some of the month ball fleet should be refitted into backup power stations placed along coastal cities and rivers that are plaged with natural disasters such as hurricanes and tornadoes. By floating these ships that have been refitted up into a dirty dry dock, then after water supply from rivers have been setup, can be filled in with dirt to prevent from sinking. Can supply electricity from each ships original ship board generators. The current fuel tanks can hold long term fuel storage for lengthy power runtime. In addition each ship is already setup with a helo pad that handle air reps and arrival and departure of personal for various reasons. Not withstanding radar and in house medical facilities that can handle small emergencies.
The bigger the cities the more ships. The biggest cities can have non nuclear aircraft carriers that can handle large numbers of helicopter operations simultaneously. Plus having onboard repair shops.
This is a really great idea. You ought to run this by your Senators and congressmen
@@abusdriver1967 Great idea, and FEMA may like it.
That's actually a rather remarkably good concept. Not sure how practical, safe or realistic it would be to carry out, but at the very least still definitely a fantastic repurposing idea worth exploring. Without a doubt a much better end result for these old girls than a damn scrap yard or some shit. I'd appreciate your idea here no matter what, or where I lived, but considering I currently live (& have lived for most of my life) in coastal areas off of or at least near the eastern seaboard of the US... Virginia, Massachusetts, South Carolina, [especially] on St. Thomas (1 of 3 islands that make up the US Virgin Islands) & [the island of] Puerto Rico (down in the Caribbean), and finally (most of all) all over the southeastern portion of North Carolina... I find your suggestion/solution especially useful, helpful, smart & that much more worth looking into. I've lost count the number of times in my life where, usually due to weather-related events and/or natural disasters, particularly hurricanes (although lots of flooding as well as a few tornadoes too) have either damaged or destroyed countless facilities and other very necessary infrastructure systems of various types & purposes, and been anywhere from days to weeks, and even several months in a few cases, without electricity, water, gas, internet/phones & communications, and it's also greatly upended or at least affected transportation & travel, first responders (LEO/EMS/FIRE), medical, business & finance, trade & commerce, education, tourism, etc and so on.... Basically EVERYTHING. and depending on the damage, there's sometimes no telling how long or what it's gonna take in order to fix whatever it is requiring repair, replacement or whichever solution. So again, I think it's definitely worth extensively looking into and figuring out. Bravo & well done for thinking outside the box
@@hippiesaboteur2556 very impractical, very unsafe, very unrealistic… how do you find replacement parts and trained technicians for obsolete military hardware? It would be impractical as when the Abrams rolled off the line, proposing turning the old Shermans into bulldozers for road construction
@@MrSheckstr I agree.
i served on the uss racine and it was moth balled in pearl harbor until it was sunk for training . there is a youtube video of this sinking amazing to watch
When I got to my ship USS Carl Vinson cvn-70, it was on this base in Bremerton WA. We had shipyard workers who sometimes had to go on these "mothballed" ships... I don't know exactly why, but more than one of them told us stories of hauntings... And I could tell it was REAL fear in their eyes as they told us the stories!
Wow... That's incredible, and I find that very interesting. That's not at all to say I don't believe you (or them); in fact QUITE the opposite sir. I absolutely believe it, but there's just not a lot of information or good, solid, reliable and/or consistent sources on the matter out there with which to go by, investigate or further delve deeper into, in order to find out more about the subject. Regardless, even without actually knowing anything certain, that was always my suspicion, but your statement serves to only reinforce & corroborate my thoughts, and I genuinely appreciate you sharing your past experiences here. Thank you sir
I served aboard the USS Independence in Damage Control during the late 60s. She is no longer in Washington. She was towed to Texas and sold for scrap metal. I really hated to see her go. She was like an old friend. Great video. Thanks, RT
Friend at work served on Indy during the late 80s early 90s.
Love talking to him about it
The Indy was my father's last ship and my first. It was great when he got to give me a tour of her in San Diego right before the Indy/Midway Swapout in 1991. I had only been on her for a few weeks and he flew out and showed me around. It's something I will never forget.
Awesome video. USS IOWA is docked in SAN PEDRO,CA. 🤙
0:10 It doesn't get hot here in the Puget Sound area plus low humidity.
Served on the aircraft carrier CV 60 Saratoga with attack squadron VA 37 in 74-76 just wished they they would of saved any of the first super carriers CV 59 thru CV 67. They are all gone. Scrapped ! None saved for museums. Would of loved to take my family aboard to show them what it was like aboard one of those awesome ships. 😮
Yeah, I served aboard the Saratoga as well and made the final 1994 deployment.
US Navy firepower is awesome 👍
I have been told that all four of the carriers that were stored at Bremerton, WA have been sold for scrap at $1 each. One requirement of sale was that they be scrapped in the US and not overseas. If the sale price seems ridiculous, the cost of towing to Texas needs to be kept in mind. It is sad to see these older warriors being scrapped, but technology marches on.
Where is that auction - forget scraping them, turn them into a museum that can still operate. Just image - we are going out on a 3-day cruise aboard one of them.
@@daemanj there was no market for any more carrier sized museums especially considering the cost of conversion to museum and the ticket revenue of such a museum…. Hell the CURRENT society of US navy museum ships is going bankrupt.
People forget just how few carrier museums ships there are now…. How OLD they are… and how much larger the last conventional carrier class is in comparison.
Opening picture seems dated - I'm pretty sure that ALL of the Forestall and "Improved Forestall" class ships (at least 2 and I believe ALL of the carriers in that picture) have been scrapped by now.
5:05
Ah, a 2012 picture.
That explains the issue.
Turns out I knew 3 of those 4 ships when they were active - served on Ranger, Kitty Hawk and Connie were also based out of North Island at the time.
I served on the constellation cv64 from 1987 to 1992. she served us well. DC 2 REPAIR DEPARTMENT HAVE MANY FOND MEMORIES. SAD TO SEE HER GO 😢
This was excellent and very informative! I was engaged from beginning to end by the great narration and script
Great upload! Thanks☺️
I used to live in Hell's Kitchen, NYC. Four blocks from the Intrepid. Pretty neat having that in my neighborhood. When you watch a Miramax movie, you can see the Intrepid in the logo at the beginning. About the damnedest thing I ever saw was when they got a Concord added to the museum. There was a Concord on a barge chugging up the Hudson. That was a sight.
I work DOD Army when I got out.... after the Jeep CJ-5 was delivered, we started to take the older styled Jeep MA1...we removed ALL badges and manufacture markings... resprayed the M-AI's with different camouflage color groups and shipped them over seas ... I was in charge of property books and signed them over to our maintenance division.... so I wan't told where we were shipping them, but I had the same camouflage color groups Army manuals, from desert to snow and mountain areas....??? I know we kept one for the hell of it in 1976...
In December 1984 I visited Ft. Eustis in Virginia, and got a very cold tour of the James River ghost fleet in an old landing craft. They were mostly older cargo ships, kept as a way to move supplies to Europe in a WW3 scenario. They were painted white, and in the morning fog looked truly ghostly.
When you are at Busch Gardens and riding Apollos Chariot you can see what's left of the James River fleet . It was huge back in the late 90s but it's gotten really small. Maybe 15 ships ???
@@eac1235 I was at Eustis from 2002 to 2006 and there were still quite a few of them up there back then, most were in no shape to ever go to sea again. After some of them broke loose from their moorings and went aground during hurricane Isabel the state of VA put a huge amount of pressure on the Feds to get rid of those rusting hulks before one of them caused an oil spill.
I served on board USS Enterprise CVN-65, from 89-90, right before she went back in the yards, then USS Ranger CV-61 90-91 Iraq Pac, the ranger has been scrapped 😔
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My buddy Steve joined the Navy to see the world and got stationed aboard the Enterprise about that time when she was in drydock Iam thinking around '79 he had an apartment in Tacoma and spent weekends in Federal Way then he got stationed aboard the USS implicit the last of the wooden hull minesweepers, out of Tacoma he never got out of Puget sound. When the Enterprise was coming into the sound, we were out in our little sea scout ship an old 63 foot air sea rescue boat to see her come in, and she was big damn big as in hard a port and balls to the wall to ride out her wake. Woohoo.
One thing is for sure, in an emergency. Bbringing back one of these ships would be faster than building a new one given how few ship yards we have, how few trained ship builders there are, and the BIG fact that you don't have to build it. Lots of the repairs and such can be done by the crew. Just as the crews did in WWII.
Most of those ships were gone to brownsville and scrapped before this video was assembled. Right now we only have two retired carriers Enterprise and JFK. All the others prior to the Nimitz class are gone. Neither one of them could be brought back as they have been heavily stripped for parts.
@@starrionx1 Sadly True
Your commentary indicates that the carriers at the Bremerton ship yard are still there, even though they have all been scrapped by already.
First set of carriers, left to right : Independence CV-62 (my ship), KItty Hawk CV-63, Constellation CV-64 and Ranger CV-61.
I also served aboard the Indy. 1968-70... Damage Control
@@rrtownsend6432 82-84 for me. Photographer in a fighter squadron.
That is an old picture, those carriers have already been scrapped in Texas.
700 surface destroyers and frigates 25 new boomer class subs. Needed now..
I have seen it but as of 2021 i think it was the kitty hawk was the last carrier to leave no clue when the others left but it was always nice to see the kitty hawk.
My ship is still around for a little while longer, 1976 to 1980 on the Nimitz.
Didn’t think I would see myself in this video but that was a nice surprise.
I served on LST 1157, LST 1195, DE 1078, DD 878
USS Horne DLG-30 commissioning crew at Mare Island Naval Shipyard..finally used at cingpac for target practice.
Knowing her capabilites can only guess what the newest ships are capable of!
My first duty station right out of boot camp was the PACRESFLT at Rough & Ready Island, Stockton, CA, May 1962-63. CWO4 USN Ret.
I served aboard hull #1094 in the video . Knox class frigate USS Pharris 89-92
I miss the perry class frigates and the Austin lpds
USS Independence 1976-77. Med cruise and all associated workups. VA-65, CVW-7.
USS Midway CV-41 June ‘77 - June ‘79, USS Milwaukee AOR-2 July ‘79 - September’80 and then Special Boat Unit 22 Oct ‘88 - Oct ‘90
The good old frigate Jylland "even though she is over 100 years old ;) . she is Danish but still wants to be able to shoot and defend herself ;)
America should donate a couple of these large ships to the Philippines to drive onto the Second Thomas Shoal. This will help the Philippines maintain their hold on their territory and piss China off. It would also cement positive feelings within the Philippines towards the US.
Some of these ships can get turned into remote control ships with missiles on it and other uses instead of scrapping them specially on the Frontline they are expendable
joe barber4030 served on the Sucken 60 at the same time loved that old lady AIMD hyd shop
Problem with reactivating some of those old ships is they are just worn out! Those frigates (Perry Class for sure) pivot points had to be fixed after commissioning. While some of the other classes could be repurposed they will not be. Why, to many people in the pipeline with hands in their pockets who want to purchase the next innovation in surface warfare? Sometimes you just have to go with what works! I do agree with some of the comments about the US ship building capabilities. Why Wisconsin? I believe that is where the new frigates are being built?
Always wondered where all of the electronic equipment from these ships end up once they are scrapped- I never see them advertised by military surplus companies (Fair Radio Sales or others)
I served on 1:20 1:20 Ticonderoga CVA 14 1965-1966 and next Enterprise CVN 65 1967-1968. The Ti was a great old ship and the Big E was for me at the time a modern wonder to serve on.
Thank you for your service!
1:47 FF-1094 USS Pharris Red Storm Rising. Her sister FF-1081 USS Aylwin just to port of her.
Good eye. I always liked the look of that class of frigate. Great book too!
My ship was decommissioned and sunk off the coast of Key West for a reef. Search Uss Spiegel Grove LSD 32. I hear it's a great place to scuba dive to.
I will look that ship up for sure. Thanks for watching and than you for your service.
...all those carriers are now gone from Bremerton. scrapped.
Sad. Was cool as you rounded the road into Bremerton you saw all these ships.
I 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡 all ships and men who were on them! I still think the ships join the fleet again , or serve as a memorial ship !
This makes me miss active duty 😢
I'd love to see the old carriers turned into drone carriers.
Saw my old boat (uss bridge) on google earth mothballed at Bremerton. Such a shame.
i remember seeing Bridge at NASSCO shipyard in San Diego under construction.
Surely they can be given to a nation like Canada or Australia.
USS EVANS DE 1023 And USS CHANDLER DD 717 both razor blades now
I waved on the USS THORN DD988 Spruance class destroyer. The Thorn is now a coral reef off the coast of NC and SC! Sad
the US Navy needs to have 1,200 strong active deployable warships by 2040 . . .
The US needs the Battleships back and completly get rid of The Arleigh Burke class Destroyers
Use to for basic training for new sailor
tenders need kept maybe lph or carrier turned into drone carrier
My father served on uss john f kennedy aircraft carrier as a boiler tech i was wondering if there are tours for visitors. He pass away this march would love to see what he saw if anyone can give info on how to visit let me know please and thank you
The John F. Kennedy has been sold for scrap.
Hi. Just returned last Saturday from the Philadelphia Navy Yard and Drydock Tour of Battleship New Jersey. Awesome tour. Stopped at the dock where the JFK is berthed and took some photo's of her. I had not seen her since 1995 when I received a tour on board when she was the last Carrier overhauled at the Yard prior to the Yard closing. She is scheduled to be towed this year to Brownsville, Texas for scrapping so if you wish to see it get down to Philadelphia soon.
With china getting really aggressive and their use of plane there needs to be lots of extra ship to air and ship to ship missiles available to counteract this threat.these ships could carry the extra missiles that are needed.
Served aboard the USS Oriskany CVA 34 During the Vietnam war which was sunk off the coast of Florida in 2006. as an artificial reef. It's sad to see many of these great ships scrapped. But as mentioned technology and budget constraints are killing the size of our fleet. Warfare is changing fast. And many new ships can be manned with less personnel savings 10s of billions of dollars over many years.
Thank you for your service. Agree we need new ships that can do more with less for a new era.
@@situation_zero
Thank you for your support. I am 100% disabled but that is nothing compared to those who laid down their lives. Semper Fortis.
None of the carriers were likely nuclear, and didn't support diagonal landing or likely catapults. Could make them glorified helicopter landing ships.
They had catapults .
Nail two carriers together at their keels to make a "Dance Floor" between them and turn them into a monstrously large floating drydock/repair facility. Lots of storage space for parts, specialty shops and heavy-duty cranes. This drydock could keep up with the fleet, and be on hand to repair battle damage.
Ex: They're having problems re-charging ships with missiles. 'Stability issues'. Park a destroyer in this Dry Dock and re-supply it with missiles on a much more stable platform with special jigs, fixtures, and lifting devices. They won't have to travel all the way back to a port and be out of the action. They could be resupplied in hours (instead of days or even weeks).
These drydocks could also be anchored out (like at Ulithi Atoll) and become an instant port facility, and, a great asset to the fleet. A whole lot better than just becoming razor blades.
Todas esas máquinas se pueden ( modernizar y reparar???) , porque contra china se necesitará todo lo que sea. Y si no sirven habrá que reciclar rápido ( porque paradas, ocupan lugar y generan gasto).
So basically we don't have a Navy, Thats just great...........
What are you talking about? The current active US Navy represents HALF of ALL the Naval tonnage in the world, and has twice the tonnage and firepower of the Chinese Navy. All that aside from being the most technologically advanced Navy in human history.
I worked and supplied the carriers many times its a shame they are not being respected any more, shame on the Pentagon
These 4 ships have been gone for years.
They should just give them to our Allies that need them. We can just build new Modern Carriers!
We may need to reactikki some of the ghost fleet For if the true 3rd war breaks out we will need them
Maybe allow coastal states to acquire some of the older ships and outfit them for coastal defense. Almost like a naval national guard
Decommission Aircraft carrier can be transformed to the mega carrier. By connecting the 4 aircraft carrier into one as a giga carrier
Philly shipyard is CLOSED.. SHIPS THERE SCHEDULED FOR RAZOR BLADES
The fleet should be 1,000 ships.
We need at least 450, seriously
I remember hearing about the sinking of the belgrano while trying to kip in my foxhole and burst out laughing and cheering on the iron lady’s name then and with the exception of the rt hon John major in my opinion were two of the best pm’s the uk has ever had
Do you mean a foxhole on the Falklands ? Because the Belgrano was sunk on the day the troops started landing on the Falklands 2nd of May .
Bigger the better
Technology outpaces their use.
The majority of these ships are totally obsolete.
Right now a minumn of 650 different ship in the world we are living in,
400 ships
On the upper Elizabeth River in Va. A battleship and a carrier were going to be anchored on the patuxent river off of Fishing point . 40' deep water 30' from shore. Also the test pilot school has a concrete sea wall in 30' of water . The liberal weenies didn't want them there. Sad .
The U.S navy should be of a sufficient size and capability that can counter several foes at once as well as defend the coastlines of the US. With Russia, China and India on a naval expansion and upgrade programs would soon surpass the U.S Navy.
Why have so many of the same types of ships located in the same location? Would it not make more sense to have them located in different locations so it harder to destroy them? Look at what happened in Pearl Harbor 😳
How long would it take to build a new ship? Verses a refit your guess. The stupidity is just incredible dry dock and refit.
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I don’t get the whole ‘Budget’ - ‘Limited Resources’ thing…I mean we just printed $61 Billion to just give away to Ukraine. What’s the point of heeding a budget when we’re some $34 Trillion in debt ?
- That’s like an average American household having say $125K a year income being a Billion in debt. It’s just absurd.
Should of given 1 of those aircraft carriers to Ukraine, now they would have a navy.