The Bizarre History of Bart Simpson Dating Episodes
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Or, "How Bart Repeatedly Fumbled the Bag" in many Simpsons episodes.
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Bart and Mary forever
F U Season 24
"Love Is a Many Splintered" thing is a garbage episode and should be removed from Disney+
Thank you.
I wonder if 24 is jims least favorite season, personally I think 26 and 30 are worse but tbf I haven't sat through every single one
I agree, I absolutely hated that episode,
I shipped Bart and Mary hard as a kid and was so annoyed when they brought her back only to torpedo the relationship... my first experience with ship sinking 😔
Idea for new episode, Are Bart and Milhouse real friends? They seem to backstab and bicker all the time
i was excited at first to hear there was a third episode with her in and they even got to properly cement their relationship.
its depressing that we keep getting "bart never grows up and becomes a loser who lives a miserable life" stories. these characters have been around for decades, many of us grew up with them, is it so much to ask for for the show to make us feel good sometimes?
Most of these Bart romance episodes completely convince me that the show was became desperate to age up the characters a few years. If Bart is 13, a lot of these episodes just make way more sense.
Full disclosure, I barely watched a few episodes since season 23 but like since season 10 Bart and Lisa could have easily been aged up to like 15 and 13 to make most of their plotlines make more sense (including a couple of status quo changes in the middle like having Skinner promoted to middle school principal and Krabappel promoted to middle school teacher). I can't think of any storyline from season 10 or later where it wouldn't make more sense for Bart and Lisa to be teenagers than for them to be little kids.
I think the main reason they never came around to that is keeping Maggie a baby, even having her be just two or three years older would force them to jump around to prevent her from speaking like they do in future episodes and keep her non-speaking character going on. I think for that it would have been awesome to make her actually be mute (and retcon the few times where she did talk or it was implied she could talk, although that would kind of ruin the ending to one of the most beautiful episodes of the show).
The series never aged them up, but at some point you can tell the writers started portraying Bart and Lisa as somewhat older. You could make Bart 14 and Lisa 12, and not a lot would change.
@@sebastiancarreira5832 I mean I would just do what Meatgiri does, just have Maggie always chewing gum
The show should age Bart and Lisa up to 16 and 14.
The Shauna episode is full on perverse the way they obviously depict the age differences between the two. Just make him a badass teenager
"he sabotages her boyfriend by calling a madman to threaten him with a knife"
Well when you put it that way
Jimbo does suck pretty hard tho
tbf Bart probably didn’t know he was gonna show up with a knife, though he didn’t seem surprised at all lol
I mean after all the threats Moe gave after the prank calls Bart should know Moe wasnt all talk and no action
Well anything can sound bad if you say it!
They were making out in his house, he had it coming
It's kinda fascinating how as the show progressed, you can tell the writers ran out of relatable 10 year old stories for Bart, so they started portraying him as more of a teenager in order to give him more varied stories. The two episodes where Bart gets a driving license show this image perfectly, in one he invites his friends to a roadtrip with no plan, in another he immediately tries to pick up girls.
Highlights what a huge mistake it was not to age the characters up as the series wore on
Yeah but in other episodes he's written more like a 7 year old.
Lisa is atleast consistently written as a kid in nane only. She is written like a 25 year old Harvard grad so much in the blue moon when they do treat her as a little girl it counterintuitively feels odd
@@stephaniewilliams6756 It was a huge mistake not to cancel the series before it reached its zombified state.
@@nifralo2752 Harford ?
@@WeirdWonderful havered ^
It's a shame we never really saw Laura again. I think they could've even dropped the romance subplot and just given Bart and Lisa a chill older friend to hang out with every now and then. The idea of her being their babysitter even opens up a lot of opportunities to make that happen.
Oh well I guess.
Kinda like Wendy from Gravity Falls?
@@zeoxdragon
Kind of... if they didn't wait until there were just 20 episodes left of the show... of which Laura only had a major role in about 6 of lol.
The problem is that every episode has to have a return to status quo, so Bart's relationships can never last. It always ends in plot mandated heartbreak.
Yeah, Bart not staying in a stable relationship is part of the show's determination to stick to the status quo.
Same reason why every single time Lisa gets A best friend (cause she really doesn't have one canonically), they have to write them out of the series last minute.
And then randomly fluctuate Lisa hanging out with girls from her class and being a social outcast, to artificially keep this problem going, instead of just giving a bigger role to Sherri and Terri and be done with this whole charade.
At least the relationship with Mary was revisited, so there is some continuity there
Kind of a recurring problem with the show is that many of the characters in the first eight seasons who actually pushed interesting development for the family were guests, forcing the show to fall back on characters who were never supposed to be taken seriously originally as it went on.@@WeirdWonderful
It's a little uncomfortable how often he's paired with older women.
It's a pretty cheeky double standard
Yeah, I was watching this like "oh yeah I remember that, that's cute I guess" then as it went on it just got more fucked up.
@@mrboerger1620i mean is it tho? As in if lisa was 10 sure but shes supposed to be 7,and its older women not adult women
The only one that worked was Laura and that’s because it was an innocent crush and not a relationship
I dare them to do an episode where Lisa dates Otto
The music teacher episode has one of the best jokes. Skinner comes off something like a greyhound bus looking rough and says "It could have been a day and could have been forever." Bart is nearby and says "You've been gone three months." Skinner, looking like a proud doofus replies "Groovy." That little sequence always gets a laugh out of me.
I like that episode a lot as it's probably Skinners' most genuine win to date and the nicest the writers have ever been to him. Yes arguably even more than Grade School Confidential given he didn't need to publically humiliate himself this time to get a decent relationship out of it, and it sure ended with him in a better place than it eventually would with Edna.
do you mind telling me which ep that was
@@zeroslit S22E11, Flaming Moe
I'm reminded of a joke in "The Squirt and the Whale" that I use as an example of the show still being really funny at times in the HD era.
There's a scene where the guy in the sun suit at the solar panel booth says something like "Solar energy is a bright idea!" and Homer replies with "Here's a brighter idea... getting a real job!" and the guy in the sun suit just hangs his head in sadness. It's delivered really well and it's straight to the point without the typical Jean era fluff. Really caught me off guard.
i'm convinced that Bart and Skinner are one of, if not the best chemistry of any pair in the show when they aren't being antagonistic to one another. I love basically any moment where Bart and Skinner are just being earnest and affable to one another,
Bart and Shauna was the creepiest relationship. Bart is 10 years old, and Shauna is a high-school teenager. Both of them aren’t adults, but their young age and age gaps are what made their relationship creepy; even if the two of them don’t realize that.
He's a boy, age gaps are only creepy for girls remember?
Ironically one of his better relationships.
All these bart relationship stories REALLY make we wish the show would age up the characters by this point. Make Bart and Lisa 16 and 17 and Maggie 8.
So you can still do your kid stuff with Maggie, but you can do more with Bard and Lisa without it feeling super weird.
Yeah, I agree
Should've happened when Disney took over. I don't want to see Homer be a teen in the 2000s. Too weird.
The Wiki calls Shauna a predator and sex offender lol. Its so weird how the writers even wrote this.
What I always really appreciated about the "Bart's crush" episodes from earlier episodes is how authentically they seem to capture how those relationships feel to you at that age. Episodes like New Kid On The Block and Bart's Girlfriend do a great job of putting us in Bart's shoes, and accurately capturing how enormous and life-or-death those feelings... feel at an age where perspective is very limited and fleeting. Watching those episodes always resurrect brief glimpses of my own childhood crushes, and how it felt going through them at the time. Later episodes of this kind seem far too removed from that childhood perspective, and lose a lot of their appeal as a result
New Kid On The Block is so akwardly relateable. Especially because of the "I got a crush on a older cool girl"-aspect.
New Kid On The Block really captures that feeling of being a kid and suddenly seeing your first glimpse of being a teenager, too. There's the crush, there's the fact that Marge and Homer leave Laura to babysit and Bart tries to be more "grown up" as a result, etc. It's really resonant, especially since I was Bart's age around the time that episode originally aired and was just starting to find girls interesting.
Good thing The Simpsons only lasted 8 seasons.
I miss that in the new ones, sometimes i think they treat him like an older teenaer and need to remind in the thrid act that he is 10
@@AdmiralBonetoPick very true
Bart never sent anyone a drunken postcard from a brewery. The key to anybody's heart.
5 dollars??? Get outta here
Maybe it's the beer talking, Marge, but you've got a butt that won't quit. They got these big chewy pretzels here and wurghadarghadrghdagrhh...
@@Spudcore Ha! That's hilarious
always found it very sad and a bit callous that bart's life was consistently shown to be a disaster in flash-forwards where lisa became variations of highly successful. he's only a 10yr old child, yet there's this sense that he's rightfully doomed for eternity for being such an asshole...it doesn't leave much room for hope and optimism
This is why my favorite one is the one where he ends up a Supreme Court Justice. I love that even the ones where he is a fuck-up sometimes foreshadow that (like when he mentions that he's doing the crane operator thing as part of series of odd jobs to save up for law school). And it even kinda fits with his sister having been President, probably helped him get a foothold in politics. Plus, like, it just feels weirdly real to me. Like, if someone only ever knew you at age 10, and then saw how you are now, would they be surprised? I'll bet.
@@billyweed835 It was actually consistent with a Future Lisa ep where he worked in construction. Turns out those lessons in law worked out for him!
@@falconeshield Yep. If we take President Lisa as something that happens, I assume his family's political connections gave him a bit of a leg up rising to higher office.
@@billyweed835 That's the only bart future i personally accept
The craziest aspect of Bart's romance failings is how despite handling Mary well, he caused her to become an adult in a couple years flat. And then turn back into a child in only a few months. Who does he think she is, Gary Coleman?
I always hate the future episodes for how pathetically sad they make Bart’s adulthood.
At least in the very first future episode he was just a construction worker doing what he loved (destroying buildings). He wasn’t chief justice of the Supreme Court, but he did seem to be in a good place.
which episode was the construction one?
@@quiethere45 Lisa’s Wedding - the very first future/prediction episode from season 6.
@@AllG98 The futuristic year of 2010....
He still becomes the chief of justice in those episodes he says hes getting all his anger out of him before he goes to law school
GOD, that teen pregnancy/marriage episode was weird, especially how easily the whole thing was resolved at the end. No idea what they were thinking with that premise...
Interesting thoughts on Bart being inspired by what he's seen from his parents - particularly as it leads to comparing Homer and Bart's personalities. Homer was always a fool whereas Bart is clearly more intelligent, so he can't get away with the same things. He uses the inspiration of Homer's idiocy as an excuse to be lazy and self-centered, whereas Homer's lack of intelligence is more forgivable because it is authentic. Homer is more willing to let his big heart shine because he often really just doesn't know better. Homer doesn't pretend to be smart. Bart is more calculating and manipulative.
Fantastically put.
He’s got homers impulsiveness but his intelligence and self awareness must come from Marge.
Maybe he'd have more success if he snorted a crayon.
I would say this better describes early homer and late Bart. I feel like Homer became a lot less likable and forgiving as the series went on and Bart was a brat in early seasons but still had a heart which is clear in the way he interacts with Lisa and Marge in many episodes
“Forget it, Bart. She’s with ‘The House’ now.” Possibly Milhouse’s greatest line. I’ll fight you over that “Everything’s coming up Milhouse” stuff.
Honorable mention is the name he chose for Bonestorm "Thrillhouse"
@@JargonMadjin You mean THRILLHO
I’d love to see a video on Lisa’s history of romance next, a little obvious but I wonder how she fares compared to Bart, she has almost as many friends as him but is arguably at least a bit more successful than her brother in the romance department.
I guess with her the thing is consistency. She’s had a lot of crushes but then you’ve got a few characters like Nelson who she can always come back to. She is also bi and technically has more options (I mean, Bart could be anything I guess, but as far as we know he’s straight lmao)
Lisa's a bit interesting because she falls in love fast and loose. She's willing to make things work with whoever (gender, social status, not withstanding) as long as there's a spark. But, in the end, would come back to what's comfortable (Nelson) or outright settles (Milhouse).
In a way, it does reflect on Lisa's character as someone who is willing to try different things but, in the end, remains a Simpsons through and through.
I would love to see that!
@@Deadss2796i dunno if it tells us anything about lisa vis a vis returning to her steady romances, vs that it tells us the show is determined to stick to status quo and lisa was paired with full time characters
I need a whole video about her on and off relationship with Nelson alone, it's her most interesting relationship
Bart having relationships beyond small crushes always felt off to me - guess it's part of how the Simpsons kids can go up and down in maturity levels depending on the story they want to tell.
You think *Bart* having relationships beyond small crushes is off? You should check out the "Maggie Simpson in "Playdate with Destiny"" short, it's even weirder.
I recently watched Treehouse of Horror XXII (it was awful BTW) and in the episode Bart turns into an alien like Kang and Kodos and has alien sex. It's not even an adult version of Bart, it's just ten year old Bart in an alien body impregnating another alien. It wasn't explicit by any means, but that shit was weird as hell.
Matt Groening was on Epstiens flight logs after all
@@endaburns2121yeah what a horrible story, how a teenager girl massaged his feet. Ew, dude that would make me have to wash my soul
Here's a much more depressing thought. As you said, a lot of his relationships are based off of deception. But as we also know, Bart has a huge complex about his self worth. So, from his point of view, why would he ever show his true pathetic, fuck up self to anyone? That'd just guarantee he'd never get with anyone anyway. It's also part of why he doesn't mind getting married for what he thinks are good causes (saving a cow or being a dad to an otherwise fatherless kid); he doesn't believe he has any worth to begin with, so sacrificing his future for some good to happen seems like a good path. It's not like anything he ever does is ever allowed to go well anyway, even when he plays by the rules and does good things, so who cares, right?
Reminds me of another 10 year old boy who had problematic relationships based on deception: Timmy Turner from the Fairly Oddparents. With Trixie Tang and Cindy Vortex (from Jimmy Neutron), Timmy used magic to make his crushes like him. For ex., he wished to be a popular kid to get Trixie's attention and he pretended to be a genius to impress Cindy. Like Bart, Timmy doesn't feel like he has much to offer anyone and that he's not good enough, so he makes wishes to at least appear important or make someone pay attention to him.
That reminds me of the thought I had about Homer being a menace to society and morally is worse than Peter from Family Guy. It's basically because of the status quo and how long this show been on, it implies despite all of the lessons he learned, he does not change. Man this show is depressing if you think about it
@@StarViewer68 but timmy only likes Trixie cause of her appearance
@@nifralo2752 originally, but during that episode where he wished to be a girl and learnt that Trixie had a love for comics he seemed to like her beyond just her appearance.
Though it feels like the show forgot about that detail.
@@reddeadspartan yeah at keast they remmbered her. Timmy's friends vanished without a trace same with the bully
If The Simpsons ever ends, the least they could do in the final episode is give Bart a happy, stable relationship that he doesn't screw up.
He does at the age of 90,but he dies immediately after.
I just hope the shitty eps where Lisa and Millhouse are a thing are made non canon. I loved the ep where Bart was a part of the Supreme Court.
I wish they'd explore the "My sister likes you!" angle (i.e one of the twins having a crush on Bart). They're fun characters.
Honestly, I think the biggest problem with Bart in romantic situations is that he's *ten*. If you want to write a relatable awkward teen romance storyline, you do it with a *teenager*.
Bart sure is not 13 years old, but it feels like the modern Simpsons writers really really wish he was one, or even older.
Sometimes I believe that they should have made Bart 13, but decided 10 and then they were stuck with that age. He has a lot of storylines about getting close to things that sgould be too far from this reach at 10. At least three episodes where he drives a car. And the emotional maturity that is demanded from him at his dating live. As well as episodes about getting his first job, or learning the dark truths about adulthood.
Os another perspective. It they would be able to expand their ground if the three Simpsons children were in different stages of Childhood. Maggie as a baby. Lisa in the middle of childhood, and Bart with one foot on teen years and other in childhood.
The simpsons have a billion episodes, so it would make some episodes better and some words, but it would make some serious episodes a lot of less awkward.
Eh, Bart's first job was as mobster bartender. If he was actually a teen, it would just be playing the trope straight.
A lot of the humour of seeing Bart doing adult jobs is that he's so obviously too young for them. A teenager boyband or being roped into the mob life isn't funny because it's too real.
"She literally rebounds to dating The Dud": that's Simpson IQ 10,000
"hey! He looks like you!"
*slowly smiles*
This is one of those things where none of this really makes sense because he's 10 and not really capable of romance, so a lot of the romantic stories are weird things where he sort of just acts like a teen or adult, much like how Lisa seems to generally act like she's 30 these days.
Yeah, although it is harder to notice with her because, well...Lisa was always meant to be very mature and intelligent for her age. She's certainly more mature then Bart typically.
@@billyweed835 I miss the eps where Lisa was a kid with Greta T elements (though she wasn't even born when Simpsons started lol) now she's a 30 something year old without motive
Lisa was always wtitten as essentially 16 in the body of a 7 year old
I love the analysis about Bart taking up the practices of his parents
It's almost like 10 year olds aren't meant to participate in the dating game or something.
I buy 100% that the writers intended Bart's bad dating habits to stem from how Homer is with Marge. So much of Bart's psychology is informed by his father, as was Homer by his father Abe.
It runs in the family, hopefully the cycle gets broken at some point
To be honest, i feel kind of bad for Jessica Lovejoy. It's very clear her parents don't listen to her. I believe that is probably the reason for the way she acts.
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“Bringing in the sheaves, bringing in the sheaves”
that analysis of Bart's view on romance being based on his parents was so good so was the conclusion. Excellent video
20:30 Alone.. but judging by his uniform, at least he still managed to become a chief Justice! 😆
Hey, its PhantomStrider!
“I like music and dinner by candlelight. And oh yes… I really hate yoyos” - Woodrow Wilson
I never understood why the series treated Mary Spuckler as a Bart love interest, when in her first appearance it's clear they have no interest in one another. And somehow it was treated like one of Bart's most important relationships?
Seeing the image at 12:34 makes me want to see what’s up with Moleman’s dating life.
I believe he dated Lunchlady Dora for quite some time 🤔
@@TheRealJims So she's gay for Moleman?
I love Shauna as a character but the fact she basically groomed Bart for a whole episode is a massive asterisk lmao
They never revealed her age, and she is seen going to Springfield Elementary, but with the jokes about Jimbo and co. being held back several times, to the point Kearney has a kid, it seems weirdly likely she may be around 14.
Mind you, the alluded to Rygelian Avatar parody made me all kinds of uncomfortable, cause they just straight up had Bart do it, while in an alien's body but still.
Or then there's that joke about Martin really being an adult working undercover at Springield Elementary...and he has a wife and three kids. And the writers just never realised how gross this actually is, cause they said this grown woman conceived 3 kids with someone who, even according to him, can pass as a ten year old.
Just.....shows you the writers on the show have a weird detachement from how old their characters are ACTUALLY supposed to be.
@@WeirdWonderful the Martin one I get as being supposed to be out of left field and dodgy, but having the entire plot of your episode revolve around an older person being sexually explicit with a 10 year old is weird af, especially considering how sweet the Shauna/Lisa episode is
@@ulti.matt04 I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just listing even more examples of this sorta thing.
@@WeirdWonderful oh I know I’m not trying to argue just discussing
I just realized looking at Flashforward!Nelson, that he kinda reminds of Muscle Man design wise from Regular Show.
"You know who else is going out for cigarettes?"
*Peace Fingers and phases out of reality.*
For a 10 year old, he sure gets around.
Exactly 💯💯😭😂😂
For someone who’s been 10 yo for over 30 years now
Remember: The reason why Bart is actually *cool* and not a poochie level tryhard is because, if anything, he's actually as much a loser as he is cool.
Maybe in the 90s. After the movie Bart forgot te cool part of him.
I’m born and bred in Utah, and from what I’ve seen in my community, you’re not even allowed to think about holding someone’s hand until you’re 16.
How did this turn into me self-analyzing my past and current relationships? This got pretty deep before I even realized. Awesome video I love your content!!
I find the Shauna episode deeply uncomfortable, she is meant to be 12-14 and she flashes a 10 year old. Bart is visibly shaken in the next scene but then their relationship just continues? Boys who experience sexual assault aren’t taken seriously
Shauna isn't 12-14, she looks More 15/16 what makes it worse, I always found that scene strange and innapropiate
@@ivannasophiamansilla5601 Its also fairly realistic. These kind of romantic shenanigans are common among minors who don't know any better yet are striving for more mature sexuality. I don't think the audience was supposed to approve or condemn, but simply understand and relate.
@@jasonseipler2665No. It's never, ever okay for a teenager to purposefully flash a child. He was not only unable to consent as a child, but also because she had isolated him was using it to manipulate him, with the latent threat of physical violence from his bully. It's messed up.
He's not saying it's okay he's saying it's a terrible thing that people can relate to. We're not meant to approve of Homer strangling Bart either.
kids these days find A LOT of things deeply uncomfortable
women got the rights to go topless 30 yrs ago
guys crying over the girl's acknowledgement that they're eyebanging them;
that passive object assaulted me waah waah
There are so many episodes here I've never seen, but my reaction to them is mostly the same:
He's 10. Years. Old. Geez!
Stopped watching after 2009 how bad did it get?
That's a great analysis on how Homer and Marge's example could've impacted his relationship with Jenda.
I would also like to see a flash-forward episode where things are going really well for Bart. Isn't there a throwaway snippet where he's become a judge of some sort? I would love to see a flash-forward that has him on his way to that. It'd be fun for the continuity.
He becomes a Supreme Court justice, and finally sees the Itchy & Scratchy Movie!
He becomes a supreme court justice, and some other future episodes do hint at that (in one of them, where he's working as a construction worker, he mentions he's doing it as part of a series of odd jobs because he's saving up for law school).
They definitely ran out of relatable stories for 10 years old Bart and began trying to age him up with the stories he was a major part of. I feel like it's a bit of a side effect of the show going on as long as it has. Notably, Lisa has suffered something of the same issue, although with her being more emotionally mature and intelligent than Bart from the beginning, it isn't quite as apparent.
As a kid growing up with the Simpsons it was odd to see Lisa celebrate her 9th birthday and Barth his 11th....to then reset next ep
The writers definitely run the gambit of putting Bart in the same situation it doesn't help when they continuously get a big celebrity to voice the character hes crushing on which I think immediately deflates any interest cause A: we know its not gonna work out for him, B: The character is unlikely to be seen again and C: the show has to stick to the status quo, I think the early seasons knew the best way to deal with it was making them lessons for Bart since they had wide spread of scenarios to put the characters through but the writers have him running circles where he learns nothing in newer episodes especially making it his fault when character wise hes just a kid can only be used as an excuse so often.
This is why I find it kind of odd keeping a character the same age forever and never letting them grow, I understand the idea of keeping a series going on longer, even though 25+ seasons is a bit much, but if you refuse to age up a character, it's going to make it harder for them to develop as a character
The Bart romance episodes are my go-to example of how The Simpsons has suffered from continuing too long and reusing the same plot concepts too many times. It's not only very unrealistic but outright disturbing that 10-year-old would have had this many romantic relationships. The first couple ones had the charm of being innocent yet momentous coming-of-age stories ("when Bart fell in love for the first time", "when Bart had his very first girlfriend") but after that it's just diminishing returns. The nth time Bart fell in love is automatically going to be a lot less charming than the first time so they have to jump the shark with some weird and far-fetched plot that doesn't fit a character of his age at all (An already sexually active teenage girl has a relationship with Bart and wants to marry him even after finding out his real age? Had they done the same story with Lisa and a teenage boy, The Simpsons would have likely been instantly cancelled).
I'll add that I don't really want the central child characters in The Simpsons to have regular girlfriends or boyfriends so as long as they'll keep doing these romantic stories with Bart and Lisa anyway I think every relationship should always be terminated by the end of the episode, one way or the other (I guess this is something that the Bart episodes at least technically do better than some of the Lisa ones).
I concur with your sentiments. Maybe I'm just being neurotic, but the whole pregnant-teen-marrying-little-boy thing is so inappropriate, it makes me want to investigate the writers' browser history.
@@Spudcore Well Matt was on those flight logs
I just want to say that they couldn’t do that same premise with Lisa because she would have to be the pregnant one and in the Bert story it works because it’s conceivable that she got pregnant before meeting Ernie.
I’m not saying it’s not a disturbing plot premise but your argument is just a bit dumb
@@smokeyjoe291 Obviously they couldn't have done the exact same plot with swapped genders, but the pregnancy part isn't really that important to my argument (other than indicating Darcy's level of experience in sex). What I meant with "the same story" was any story where Lisa would be in a relationship with and trying to marry an older boy who has already had sex with his previous partner(s). I guess I should have written "a similar story" rather than "the same story".
@@tarvinneekomainitakaanlisa is also supposed to be even younger. Like 10-11 can be a start of being a tween
But 7?
this is only tangentially related but i think the simpsons would really benefit from a permanent timeskip. not a big one, but they could pull a su future and age everyone up just a few years. it would open up a lot of new story opportunities, most especially for maggie, but also the kids in general. i think it might suit the show if it committed to a status quo change like that. idk.
also! what do you think of hurricane neddy? it's one of my favourite episodes of that season and my fave ned episode overall and contains some amazing character moments, like bart defending marge when ned blows up at her. i would love to hear your thoughts on that episode some day!
This is the best character analysis you've done in awhile. Excellent work.
Man, this video made me realize how sad this show can be.
"Bart Simpson sucks at romance!"
is probably the best and most hilarious way to open up this video!
The way bart ruined milhouse's relationship, he deserves every bit of this
dude i was literally just watching the simpsons and some of your vids just now!! what awesome timing, cant wait to watch the vid!!! 🙏🏼
Man. What a great video. Good job. I didn't expect your conclusion to be so strong.
some of these stories definitely hit close to home as an oblivious kid/teen too :'(
Great video putting together the narrative though! Another interesting insight
I really enjoy these in depth breakdowns about different aspects of the show. Good stuff!
Just a quick head's up though, Jims, it's probably for the best not to use the word "spaz". It doesn't mean much to us Americans, but it's actually a super offensive disability slur in other countries. You might wanna stray away from it in future scripts to avoid any potential issues. Regardless, good video as always.
Thanks for the heads up, I will make sure not to use the term in the future. Totally messed things up, right there
Agreed. I'm sure no offense was intended, but I'd like to echo this. Love your vids, btw. ❤
There's a reason his last name is SIMP-son
I don’t know where else I’m going to say it so I might as well say it here. Back when Nick magazine was a thing they had these weird fake gossip magazines about cartoon characters. The one I remember vividly was Bart Simpson being paired with Sakura from Naruto. It was weird as shit but honestly that gag relationship sounds better then most of these
Nicktendo has a video about it if it's of your interest
And thus, kids were introduced to the world of crossover ships.
Wait, Nick Magazine was still a thing when Naruto became a thing?
16:40 This made me so confused as a kid, because in the brazilain dub she literally says "we had sex", but when I grew up and watched the episode in english I found out that it was a miss translation.
That was a really really messed up miss translation.......
It is very weird that Bart has had about as many girlfriends as the James Bond.
And before he turned 11!
Playdates are a thing but cmoon
This is a stunning video. Deeply stunning. Very nice, I hope you produce more like this, it flows well, leaves nothing to be desired at the end and feels really complete.
He’s like a story with a really grabbing hook, but nothing past the first sentence
I love your vids.
Lon lon ranch at 17:00 is so perfect lmao
25:58 Listen, I know people love Maya and Moe together, but thanks to you, I’m Selmoe for life, and it’s rough out here
I was just thinking last night, it's about time for a realjims upload XD
for years now I've always wanted a spiritual successor to the episode The Way We Was where Bart meets Jenda and Bart tells the story to his kids Picard & Kirk even though with the show being continued to be renewed I fear that such an episode will never be made.
make a video about how the writers make Bart suffer ALL THE TIME. He can't win at anything he likes, it always backfires.
Great video.
Of all the title suggestions you got on twitter, you picked the best one.
For a out of universe explanation, I put it all down to the Simpsons being a status quo show. They don't seem to want to shake things up much
They retired or killed off a few major characters which is rare for animation.
I actually agree but a major problem with your conclusion is that you are looking at it from the narrative to writers put out instead of the bigger picture. A few of these girls weren’t innocent victims in fact a lot of times it was the other way around.
Shauna molested bart plain and simple there is no argument she had all the power in that relationship the same with darcy there is nothing sympathetic about these girls and the fact that not only did the writers present them as victims but bart and the one in the wrong and who needs to be punished. Darcy’s cameo in Moonshine River says more about her then her entire episode bart was meal ticket and the moment he didn’t give her what she wanted it was drop dead.
People taking Love Is a Many-Splintered Thing at face value is a real pet peeve of mine. I actually compare it to The Haw-Hawed Couple. Bart is forced to be friends with nelson by marge. The underlining joke is that this is an abusive relationships with the shout outs to goodfellas and brokeback mountain with nelson taking the role of henry and bart the role of Karen. When bart is told that is subservient to nelson he doesn’t want that type of relationship. nelson does after bart wants nothing to do nelson so nelson accuses him of being being a bad friend. Every single one of nelsons actions is text book abusive behavior yet he is the one you are supposed to sympathize with.
It’s the same thing with mary only replace marge with lisa and physical abuse with emotional. Taken at face value everything you said is correct. He was too busy playing video games instead of spending time and bonding with her. She broke up with him bcuz Mary felt like she was nothing to Bart because he kept ignoring her.
The problem is that the episode its self states that bart was only playing video games for 30 minutes during which she did nothing but moan and complain and for the rest of the episode he did try to spend time with her. they listened to her parent play music for hours and afterwards she wanted to play music some more. all bart did was pet a her dog that came up to him he didn't complain he didn't ignore her, he didn't stop listening he just pet pet the dog.
if it was an equal thing with her being obsessed with music and him being obsessed with video games i wouldn’t complained but she treated bart like an in animate object giving literally impossible standards yet not budging a millimeter. the catalyst for them breaking up was after once again spending all day listening and playing music she wanted so go off and basically flirt with a guy only for bart to go can we do something else besides this. They did the same thing they did with darcy playing up barts idiocy and using that as an excuse to justify her behavior him not being able to articulate encouragement isn’t the end of the world. it also didn’t go from the dog to the concert there was a montage of bart doing everything she wanted. it was a completely one sided all take no give relationship.
she Was too busy playing music instead of spending time and bonding with him. She broke Up with him bcuz bart wasn't a potted plant with eyes who would just sit in the corner as she did her thing and only speak when when spoken to. those are impossible standards that no one could meet. bart wanted a relationship she wanted a stuffed animal
Modern bart has become less of a character and more a composite of traits stolen from other shows. We have the designated monkey dysfunctional lightning rod but unlike meg, butters, orel bart is more like timmy turner punished for having the audacity to react negatively to his lot in life or try to subvert it.
You know what the sad thing is Pretty Whittle Liar was the perfect opportunity to bring mary back and explain her behavior instead they have lisa who is so insecure it is pretty much canon that bart can’t be successful as long as she is in his life and merge who’se response to lisa crippling bart was to not only blame him because it wouldn’t have happen if he wasn’t better then her but call him a sociopath for not feeling sorry for her give the Aesop.
Bart is surrounded by people who constantly belittle him and he is a love martyr willing to except fault and sacrifice himself at a moments notice because of those self same people. He needs someone who will build him up that’s why my favorite is jenny she seems to be the only who made him a better person. I don’t blame her for leaving him as he did lie to her but it sad that her only role seems to be a satellite love interest.
I feel like the deception angle comes from what is I think one of the strongest elements of Bart's character when it's used properly: his low self esteem. Early seasons made good use of the fact that Bart knows he's a screw up. He isn't smart or talented, so acting out is his way of getting attention. He doesn't try because he is convinced that he'll fail (whether or not he's right kind of depends on the episode). Some of the best Bart moments are the ones that reveal that he really is a good kid who does bad things because he feels like what he has to do to fit in, or because his natural impulsivity is stronger than his good nature. In the Jenny episode I think he really just doesn't believe she or any girl would want to be with him unless he pretends to be someone else. It'd be nice if the show gave him a successful relationship that could help him learn the things about himself that make him worth it.
I had the BIGGEST crush on Gina. Come to think of it, I was 7 when that ep came out, that might be my earliest cartoon crush. And it *definitely* influenced my taste in women...
I also had a huge crush on Gina when I first saw the episode. She's a really cool character, I think she should make a comeback. I have a headcanon that she gets adopted by Moe, because both are ugly, surly lowlives who have a soft side despite their often unsavory behavior.
makes me think of how George in Seinfeld dated like 300 women by the end of the show but was still a "loser"
Well yeah, you don't date that many people unless you fail often
Well it's like they're are carrying levels of loser, right? The ones that can't get a date, the ones that can but can't keep it together long enough to have a lasting relationship, and the ones who reply to UA-cam comments.
Harsh reality to find that I can't edit comments on UA-cam mobile web and I now forever have to appear as though I don't know the difference between there, their and they're. A new kind of loser.
I'm one of the few people who really hated Holidays of Future Passed (and thus by extension Days of Future Future). A big part of that was that Bart and Jenda breaking up at the end of Future Drama is ultimately a noble thing he does for himself and for Lisa, and both subsequent episodes undo that by getting Bart and Jenda back together and making them miserable together (I similarly hate them for putting Lisa and Milhouse together, which I feel is clearly the worst outcome for Lisa). I try not to be the old fan who complains about newer Simpsons, but I rarely felt the writers were as creatively bankrupt as when they treated the future episodes as canon to follow for subsequent episodes. The writers don't care that much about about past continuity (and they shouldn't necessarily have to); why care about it for future stories!?
Great video
I think the problem is two fold, and both on the writers. I think it depends on the writers, but they don't know how much of a 10 year old they want to make him. He either doesn't get what love is, or he's just in a relationship he's just immature enough for. The other problem being they want to write Bart as more of a loser as time goes on, rather than the overly popular kid that gets along with everybody that he started off as. And they REALLY love making him a loser in the flash forward episodes. I hate that. Even with Lisa's Wedding, he gets a blue collar job, but a blue collar job he absolutely loves. Screw the episode where he's a failure in a band with Ralph. Jeez. Not even Milhouse. Ralph.
Yeah, much of this stems from the writers.
I like that little spoof of that scene from the movie Wanted. Also like the computerized music in the background. It's the episode that guest voice was Sarah Silverman
I mean I'd say give him a break, he's 10. But also, the amount of women this kid has seemingly dated all within the span of one year, while being 10, is kind of concerning.
Amazing! :)
Disappointed you didn't include Ralph, especially since they later become life partners who play in an awesome cover band.
Exactly. We all know that the only guys who wear Hawaiian shirts are gay or big fat party animals, and he didn't look like a big fat party animal to me.
@@theMoporter Bart and Ralph have nothing in common besides terrible social manners and making music.
It always rubs me the wrong way when the writers write this 8 year old kid as a bad apple that deserves failure in life.
In the first few seasons these relationships were written in a more relatable puppy love kind of way, like with Laura.
He is not eight, he is ten
I genuinely don't know what they were thinking with the Shawna episode 😕
I truly forgot that really weird scene with Shawna. I guess my mind erases it along with Scorpion’s Tail ending
Really cool structure for a video
So excited you are on the Four Finger Discount. Nice!
can you make a vid about the "inspired/concept" eps like 24, barthood, that one with linguo robot, etc
love your vids
Still here for the upload despite having a new job that is taking all of my time, you come first tho jims, I'd much rather listen to you than the people at my work who don't know how to control their volume level
The Greta Wolfcastle episode brings up memories of me not realising girls liked me…
Same. And by the time you could pick up on it, girls either don't like you anymore or are too scared to even hint at it.
Good video Jim's
You forgot about Terri or Sherri who he was dating at age 16 kissing him in episode Barthood.
This is surprisingly relevant.
Please can we get a video like this for all four of the Simpsons.
Yes, it's because I want to learn more about Debbie Pinsen, if there is anything.
Bart kissing Shauna is the creepiest thing I've ever seen.
You literally advocate for men butt plunging and wearing dresses and doing a woman face routine ?
Get therapy
A bizarre love triangle with Skinner. What!
hello therealjims. i think it would be cool if you reviewed the simpsons video games. there are many unique stories over the years featuring character arcs and tropes that you could analyse in your signature style i think