The M1 Carbine's Pointless Controversy
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- It's an old topic, but I like to complain.
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My grandfather used a M1 Carbine in WWII and in Korea. I asked how it worked and he said it worked well but it wasn't no M1 Garand. Meaning out to 200 yards it worked fine...To add a historical note my dad served in Vietnam , he said he knew many guys that carried a M1 Carbine and liked them for jungle fighting over the M16 and that was in 1968........
Yeah the Carbines were still very useful even in the Vietnam era! There's even some cool photos of some US soldiers that carried around sawn-off M2 carbines for clearing out tunnels! Really neat stuff.
Thanks for watching!
Of note, in 1968 you could get as many 30-round mags for the Carbine as you like but the M16 only had 20 round mags.
Honestly i'd rather have a Carbine with me than a Thompson.
It is lighter, has a better stock and better sights.
Has a very handy magazine and the .30 carbine is a pretty decent caliber for its pourpuse.
Same here. I appreciate the Thompson but it's a very heavy weapon for it's size. The Carbine just has a lot of knockdown power for such a light and portable platform.
My dad was at omaha dog green and later okinawa. He loved it. Bought his own gov issued post ww2. Left it to me. With the impact of a 1911 45 at 50 yrds i love it. Hardly a pea shooter.
That's awesome! The fact that you have the actual one he used is super cool. I bet it served him well!
And I agree, the Carbine is a powerhouse that exceeds .357 Magnum ballistics. Love mine! Thanks for watching
@@BangoJay_Official he actually bought it in 1955 or so for 25$ from the gov.It was issued for the war though. He was a radioman with the 7th navy beach btln. 2nd wave on omaha and where he received his purple heart. Keep it oiled and it's a dream.
That's cool, I had an uncle in the Seabees that was in the first wave at Omaha, He managed to bring 3 carbines back from the war and then sold them all for $15 each when he needed money (dam) different times I guess.
@@timothybagrowski643 wow. My buddy in NY. his dad was sea bee at okinawa also. Very under appreciated men. Doing construction work can be dangerous enough, but under fire? Respect!
This was Audie Murphy’s favorite rifle.
Enough said.
I didn't know that, that's really cool!
I'm sure he loved it for the same reasons I do. It was ahead of it's time for sure!
Audie would swap out his carbine for an m1 or a Thompson when shots were long or short. But yeah he preferred a carbine.
He was also 5'5" and 112lbs.
In a rare Audie Murphy's movie, "The Gun Runners (1958)", he showed how to use the M1 carbine effectively, like a crackshot. I love that scene.
@@jimbob465 When the going gets tough, he'd swap out his carbine with the MG-42 from someone who didn't need it. I love these stories. But, who's going to swap with him? If my life depends on the M1 or Thompson, I won't swap it for no body.
He was also known for using MA-2 50 caliber machine gun to mow down a whole bunch of German infantry
My late uncle was an ETO combat vet. He came back from Europe with all gray hair and never said anything about what he did. He sent back Belgium paper money dated 1944 to my grandma, if that means anything. He wouldn't even touch my M1 carbine but got a smile when he picked up my Garand. He just said " Hold on tight when you shoot this".
From what I understand, a Lot Of People don't realize that the extremely old magazine springs are basically worn out! In the field, most US Army and Marine personnel would only reload the magazine two or three times before changing them out with an entire new magazines!!
Wolf Springs makes some excellent springs!
i think the problem with the carbine, is that people forget what it was originally designed for.
If you think a carbine sucks? I'll give you a 50 yard head start.
Lots of people that claim it's too weak and an insufficient weapon certainly wouldn't want to be on the other end of one!
M1/M2 carbine isn't a bad long gun. It's a bad battle rifle, yes, but it's a good combat arm.
The M2 is a lighter, more accurate, select fire submachine gun but it shoots ammo that hits like 357 magnum. That, you can't say no to. Compared to an M1A1 or M3 SMG, the M1 and M2 is much more capable and versatile for less the weight. Remember, this was before most of the enemy had flak vests let alone proper level 2/3a soft armor.
Even the M1 was basically just as good since you won't be using full auto much anyways. The 15 round stick was a major limitation for modern shooting techniques (pop them till they collapse), but the 30 round stick solved that problem even if you're restricted to semi auto. And that's the real issue. People back then typically shot, reassess, then shot again, expecting one shot or two would do the trick. If you ran your carbine like you would an AR these days, failure to stop would've been much less of an issue. Treat it like a more accurate, extended range submachine gun.
Given that most engagements take place within 200 meters, there's no real disadvantage in taking the 30 carbine if you can carry 3-4 times the ammo for the same weight.
That said, they also had a tendency to work all the time, 95% of the time. Not bad for their era.
Not exactly. Mags did, and actually still do, have weak springs, so a failure to reload was an issue.
On top of that, many of the M1 carbines that showed up in Korea had been in bad storage conditions for 5 years.
Your "one shot" theory is kind of off too. Two to three-round bursts were the name of the game, even with the semi-auto M1 Garand. You usually didn't have time to "re-assess" as there were three or four other guys you had to shoot.
M1 carbine, in good condition, is a great PDW for non-combat roles, but less than ideal in just about every other condition.
My grandpa preferred the 20 lb BAR, even as a radioman. Then again, he was a big dude.
I also hear a lot of complaints about Arisakas but I think they’re pretty fun and I’ve never had reliably problems with any of them.
Oh yeah, the Arisaka gets even worse rep even though they're fantastic rifles. I own two myself and they're awesome!
The Arisaka series was considered one of, if not THE strongest actions of the time. Definitely one of the best bolt actions in WW2.
Thanks for watching!
Montana mountain men did a video to debunk the Frozen Chosin debacle
The U.S. carbine caliber 30 m1 was designed for support troops that needed to defend themselves within 200 to 300 yards. And was much more effective than the sidearms of the day
The receipts are out there. You need to dig and find them to see just how great and the purpose of the m1 carbine
Almost all aimed rifle fire was within 200 to 300 yards, this was confirmed through battlefield studies of WW2 and Korean War. Many assumed that rifle fire would be at much farther range but in almost every environment attackers will have some way to get within at least 300 yards (80-90% within 200 yards) before they need to start using their firepower to continue their advance.
The attackers just aren't stupid enough to begin fighting from 500 or 600 yards away so they have to fight over an extra 200-400yards. You could almost always use cover to get within at least 300 yards.
So though intended for support troops, what they didn't realise until late into WW2 was that this was well within the range requirements of combat. It ended up being used more and more in combat because the enemy was so rarely exposing himself at any range where .30 carbine isn't enough and .30-06 is needed.
How is your channel not better known? I know all about the M1 Carbine and yet you were able to put a very fresh perspective upon it. Well Done good sir!!
This old Grandpa loves the M1 Carbine. My all time favorite rifle.
The M1 Carbine has made a huge resurgence in recent years and alotta the myths surrounding it have largely been disproven.
The mags were made to be used 1 time. They came loaded and were to be discarded. Those that followed that loved the M1 carbine. Excellent vid on forgotten weapons, UA-cam video.
wow this is really good. i can see you getting really popular in the future.
That means a lot! Thanks for watching! More stuff to come in the near future.
When I finally got a chance to fire one, I loved it! While I still prefer the M-14 I trained on in the Corps, I've fired the 03, M-1, & even a BAR; & there is nothing wrong with the M1 carbine a little time on the firing range can't fix.
It's a sweet shooter! It just has a really pleasant recoil impulse and was always a favorite during range trips. At least when .30 Carbine ammo was cheap!
That's kind of the issue. Nothing wrong with the M1 carbine outright, you just prefer something else more.
Now, take M1 carbines that have been sitting around unoiled and in damp conditions for 5 years, and throw them at 3 divisions of men used to M1 Garands, M3 smgs, BARs, and Browning lmgs, and tell them that these are what they get as comvat arms. Also, don't give them new mags for about six months.
You can see where the bad reputation comes from. It's not a bad gun for its job. The Korean War was just the perfect storm of problems.
If you sold a shirt with "Eatin' Drugs and Catchin' Slugs" in WW2 pinup font id buy out the whole damn store. Keep up the great work I look forward to witnessing your progress.
Oddly enough my friend just bought one so I proceeded to send him this.
I've got the M1A1 Carbine that my great uncle (US Army Lt. Col.) Carried in Korea and smuggled home when he retired. I love that little carbine
I owned a M1 Carbine and it used to RatTrap(jam) cases exiting the ejection port. A young gunsmith told me to take it to a WWII gunsmith and ask him to "Tune it Up". I did that, problem solved. Never RatTrapped ever, even with reloads. Perfect.
My dad was issus an m1 carbine during the vietnam war. Because us southeast asian are short so the m1 garand was to big. So U.S give alot of m1 carbine to southeast asian allies
You hit the nail on the head...partially.
The main "issue" with the M1 carbine was that, in Korea, soldiers were handed them as a replacement for...every other weapon.
Both grandfathers fought in Korea. One with the 1st Cav. He was trained as the squad machine gunner, and was used to lugging a BAR. A 20 lb boom stick with 20 rounds of full-auto kick ass to 5 lb peashooter. Hm.
The other was in the Marines. He was trained both as a sharpshooter with a 1903 with scope and as a flamethrower operator, and his back up there was an M3A1. The M1 carbine lacked the range of the 1903 and the close range stopping power (and intimidation) of the flamethrower/M3 combo.
The reason why the M1 carbine was forced into this position was because it was mass-produced and a bunch were stored in Japan at the end of WWII. When the US jumped into Korea, they had about 1 week to find weapons for 3 divisions. What was available were a bunch of M1 carbines stored in humid and damp conditions. On top of this, magazines were in short supply, so troops in Korea often had no choice but to reuse them despite the fact that reuse was a bad idea.
The result was a bunch of guys trained on better combat rifles forced to use light carbines that were already in bad shape due to mishandled and poor storage. Both my grandpas were career military and understood the problem was logistical and not the gun. Most grunts and draftees didn't.
The worst (or most ironic) part was that some Chinese "volunteers" who showed up were carrying M1 Garands and even BARs that the USA had given to Nationalist China during WWII. My grandpa once joked about how the US could find the time to give the Chinese rifles without training to use them, while giving US troops the training to use them, but not the guns. Hell of a motivation to kill...you could get a better gun.
Absolutely love mine. It was my grandfathers, also it was the first rifle I ever shot when I was 6 or 7 years old.
I miss my m1 carbine, damned exwife. This is funny. You're funny. I am now one of your subscribers.
Ahh in if you have it the manual that came with it believe its page five section on sniper fire distance..speed windage... dad had one in service and later purchased one still packed in cosmoline and that paper they rolled them up in got to fire it as a child was fun
They're definitely fun shooters! So little recoil and so light.
And that's great that you have such fond memories of the carbine. Lots of people have fun stories of their parents and grandparents owning them. It's definitely something with cherishing!
My Dad loved it. He fought at Pelau , Solomon, Truk, Philippines,etc. Of course , he preferred the 30 06 when they were in more open area.
Sounds like your dad has good taste! It certainly sounds like he had a well-rounded combat career for sure, his service is very much appreciated!
He actually only came up with the short stroke system prior to the Army asking for a carbine and he backed out of that design because of personality
That's a beautiful stock.
I love my M1 Carbine. Its a fun plinker and i usually bring along with me on road trips. I keep the mags in an old alice pistol belt with a pouch that hold 4 of them 30 round magazines. aesthetic AF
Sounds like a sweet setup! The M1 Carbine is such a handy and fun little rifle.
The ONLY thing Williams contributed to the carbine was the gas tappet system which Winchester was using on their light weight full battle rifle the W.A.R.
The M 1 carbine was ment for support personnel. It was issued to some front line troops. And to this day it's still a viable home defensive weapon, useing 110 grain lead tipped bullets. And has the power of a 357magnum revolver, but with greater accuracy, with it's three points of contact and it's longer site radius. Unfortunately I got rif of mine. But my ar9 carbine is a effective short range defensive weapon and more accurate than a handgun. And useing 124 grain plus p plus hollowpoints is a reliable accurate weapon out to 50 yards. And is a great home defensive weapon. And adding a dot scope and in my case a streamlight protac HLX light and laser allows me to identify potential threats and make precise hits to neutralize any threat out to fifty yards. And it's a fun range weapon and can be used on many indoor ranges. And no my ar9 carbine can never replace my ar15 carbine. But for any situation were a submachine gun would be appropriate and needed a ar9 pistol or carbine works better than a handgun. It's three points of contact and it's longer site radius and increased velocity just makes it a better choice. And long range shoot outs are basically never a major occurrence for police and less for armed civilians. And the advantages of a ar9 pistol or carbine is far Superior to any handgun. And as someone said years ago only a fool carries a handgun to a gunfight. And even ar9 pistols with a 10.5 inch barrel gives better preformance than a handgun due to the same three points of contact and increased velocity and accuracy. And adding a effective weaponslight and getting training in its proper use in no light or no light situations is a necessity. And I was so impressed by the streamlight on my ar9 I added one to my ar15 carbine. And I added streamlights pistol mounted lights to my glock19 and 23 and my sig320c. Are weapons mounted lights worth it. As a retired federal law enforcement officer I would say yes. My first weapons mounted light was a surefire 6p. And it was only 60 or 65 lumens mounted on a ar15 carbine. Due to its dimpled reflector it did manage to put out a fair amount of light. But the 500 lumens lights on my handguns far surpasse it in preformance. And I consider weapons mounted lights a necessity for any low light or no light situations that might occur. But as a retired law enforcement officer low light and no light training is important. And I keep a 450lumens pocket light available when I'm out. Because not every identification of a suspicious sound needs to be identified by a weapons mounted light.
I asked to fire one of these at the Celeritas range in Budapest. The RO pulled it off the rack and said “ah, the Mickey Mouse gun” I really enjoyed it. Lots of fun to shoot!
What in the regular car reviews for guns did I find here?
Just got an M1A1 yesterday ❤ The FFL I picked it up from was telling me stories about when he carried an M2 in Vietnam. Said it was a great gun on it's own, but a lot of the guys carrying it disliked it because they trained with Garands and initially deployed with either BARs or M14s before eventually being issued carbines for field testing. Lack of stopping power compared to the Garand or M14 and a lack of full-auto control compared to the BAR was a massive downgrade. Then they all got M16s which they hated even more because they'd frequently jam and/or cook rounds off after extended full-auto fire. Said he and his men were basically guinea pigs for ineffective weapons. They just wanted their old shit back 😂
Makes sense! This seems that after world War II there was a lot of weird stuff going on with decisions towards issued weapons. Can't go wrong with the good ol' M1!
I bought an M1 Carbine a few years back and love it since. Anyone that says the M1 Carbine sucks probably never used one tbh.
Imagine the M1 carbine if it was 7.62 by 39
That would be pretty cool! A few companies played around with the idea of the M1 Carbine in different calibers, but 7.62x39 was likely too large for the platform. While not mechanically similar to a Carbine, the Ruger Mini 30 in 7.62x39 is probably the closest we'd ever get to that. Thanks for watching!
My father use an M1 Carabine in Nam. And he love it.
Basically it’s 1) people comparing it to all the wrong things (an AR15, M14 and even a M1 Garand) instead of a PDW. It’s not a battle rifle, it’s a PDW on steroids that is light, less bulky, and more powerful and longer range than the Thompson, Uzi or MP5. And 2) anecdotal tale or two that gun magazines have repeated for years about it “not having stopping power” and “not penetrating Korean uniforms” by some old man who calls it “a piece of junk” after smashing it. In reality, he probably just couldn’t shoot as good as his buddies back then.
The M1 Carbine is a fine PDW that I carry in the woods, in the car and next to my bed. It is fun to shoot and you barely feel it slung over your shoulder
Couldn't agree more! The more people take the M1 carbine out of it's intended role, there's more complaints about it not performing. Thanks for watching!
I absolutely agree with his statement about the 1911. I don’t see there being a big difference between the m1911 and the 1911A1. So with that being said I have a good condition 1914 m1911. And that thing is extremely difficult to shoot good. Best I can do with it is pie plate accuracy. Now my p38 is a sniper pistol the trigger on the m1911 is terrible.
It was pretty popular with British paratroops and those engaged in jungle fighting in both World War II and the Malayan emergency. Light, with a better effective range than a submachine gun.
Special Forces Advisors in Vietnam in the early 1960s carried M1 carbines into the field with them. The M1 carbine has been popular in the Philippines used by soldiers and guerrillas. They were used all the way up to the 1990s.
amt made a 1911 type pistol chambered for that cartridge, its a joy to shoot very accurate, and lets you know you hit something with it
The Automag III! Those are so cool, I hear they throw a mean fireball.
Thanks for watching!
My grandpa and opa both loved it. No kidding. American grandpa had one as an artillery gunner in the ardennes, and german grandpa used one too in market garden. German grandpa was luftwaffe pressed to fight as infantry when the largest airborne invasion in history occurred said that in the piles of captured allied weapons available to pick from, almost everything was dismissed except the m1 carbine (and bren) Being lightweight and magazine fed was appreciated by the underequiped german troops that were refitting and resting around Nijmegen and Arnhem.
Yeah, i'm taking a five pound carbine over a ten pound thompson anyday of the week
lot of people here to support it, Im throwing out my opinion, The irons suck, rifle is useless for range, not only because it cant reach what you need, but its 30 cal still kicks, its not a SMG, Its not a rifle, Its a hybrid and im sure some found its use, But id rather a Thompson or a Garand
Ok, hear me out.
Modern Pederson divice in .30 carbine
Love my M1 carbine….even found a bayonet and sheath for it.
Here's a thing you left out:
The carbines themeslves that got into civilian hands were for a long time often commercial copies, not USGI examples, that weren't well made or else were not made to USGI specification. Universal made a lot of poor M1 carbine copies that carbines made by Inland, Saginaw, Rockola, IBM, etc took heat for.
I was unaware it was “hated”
"Hate" is definitely a strong word, I'll agree lol. But the Carbine has been controversial for a long time for silly reasons. Some people just think it's a trash weapon, but many others (who used it properly) beg to differ. Thanks for watching!
My Great Grandfather was in the Army in the Pacific in ww2. During the battles he was in paratroopers were desperately trying to swap their carbines for his M1 Garand.
The reasoning for this was often having a carbine In the Pacific was a death sentence if you were on the front fighting Japanese.
Think of it no different than the Philippine interaction on the southern islands trying to use the standard issued revolver at the time, 9 times out of 10 one shot wouldn't put them down and often had to put one cylinder into one person before they went down which lead to death of the user in numerous cases.
Often was the same case for front line soldiers with the Carbine in the Pacific.
Pacific Theatre fighters also liked the ability to shoot THROUGH cover like trees and small berms, which Win 30 just couldn't do. 30-06, on the other hand...
@@samuelzuleger5134 that was going to be my other point. Just I didn't want to make the comment too long.
You're most likely going to be in a jungle in the front lines in the Pacific, 30 carbine isn't the best brush cartridge quite bad honestly. 30-06 at least had enough power to go through brush and trees.
Yeah it was meant more for close quarter combat. I liked it myself although I never had one but I've always wanted one. But I would love to have one of each. Just think of the fun you could have. Yes they were pretty awesome weapons. 😀👍
I love mine! It's incredibly soft shooting but still quite powerful. I've met people that even use them for deer hunting, which is cool!
If I had one of every carbine I'd go out in the woods with an M3 looking for Sasquatch 😎
Thanks for watching!
Sure, argue semantics and sexy over effective and better. 45 acp is a great cartridge. But at besr is effective 50 to 100 yards.
Take 10 companies that were not firearms manufacturers (exclude Winchester) and you have 6.1 million made. 30 carbine is great from 100nto 250 yards
There are many stories about Mr Marshall has nothing to do with the M1 carbine. In fact some says that he said " i dont want to do anything with that proyect" who knows what is the truth???
Yeah I've heard similar stories as well. He's credited with the piston system that allows it to function, but it pretty much ends there. There's a really good forgotten weapons video that highlights this exact topic, it's worth checking out if you haven't watched it already!
@@BangoJay_Official yeah. Mr Ian talks abou it !!!! Even explain how they rebuilt the bolt almos by memory!!!!
@@BangoJay_Official You did a great job with the video!!! From Argentina , keep doing more of them!!!!
Jason... Jason... I'm dying and I don't give a shit about guns.... UUUUGGGGHHHHH
I'm bumping you up a 1000 cool points for correctly pronouncing M1 GARAND, That whole Gerund BS comes from a footnote in Hatchers book of the Garand which oddly enough spells it Garand on the cover and not Gerund like a few UA-cam gun snobs insist it be called. Yeah, we all get he was French/Canadian and it's correctly pronounced Gerund in French, Garand didn't care and neither should anyone else, Millions of GI's and American civilians call it the Garand, I see it as disrespect to those who fought with it, I guess next certain gunsnobs will insist we stop referring to the M60 as the PIG or some other nonsense.
Huh, I never knew that! That's an interesting bit of info there.
For some reason I've always pronounced it "Garand" and nobody cared until recently it seems.
But that's okay, as a Midwesterner I'm used to people saying I pronounce things weird! Lol
Thanks for watching! :)
@@BangoJay_Official If you never read Hatchers book, it's a great read if you're interested in the M1 Rifle. Hatcher was a friend of Garand, and was there for a lot of the development and testing, in the book, he makes that footnote clearing up the name, but goes on to say, Gerund was perfectly fine with people calling him Garand. So, Garand it is.
Fudd ideals overwhelmingly prefer a Garand over M1 carbine, they cannot admit that a longer+heavier rifle too heavy to quickly aim and hold on target for long as they cannot stand the suggestion they're "a weak pansy who can't handle a real man's gun". The fudd cannot openly state they prefer a larger capacity of 15-30 rounds as they're so vulnerable to jibes "what, can't hit them with just one shot?".
So with those insecurities blocking them valuing any of the advantages of the M1 carbine it just seems to be giving up in power and the one things Fudds all rally around is blaming external factors the power of ammunition. The fudd never misses, the only reason for failure can be underpowered ammunition. Fudds hate science, don't talk to them about kinetic energy, .30 carbine is a small straight walled round with little recoil or blast while .30-06 is huge, bottleneck, kicks hard with a big bang so they devalue .30 carbine for that reason.
The Carbine was not pushed into frontline use, it was steadily drawn into frontline use by veterans who appreciated how a shorter lighter rifle was so important when crawling through foxholes and barbed wire even if it wasn't monstrously powerful. A .30-carbine bullet that hits is better than a .30-06 round that misses.
The Carbine is far better for reloading. It's far easier to bring a magazine UP into a rifle that's being pushed back DOWN into the magazine by gravity. Especially compared to pushing a clip down into the open top of the Garand where you're fighting the spring the whole way down. Troops surveys found the garand clips were NOT great in combat due to the problem of accidentally pushing rounds out of the clip as being moved into the magazine. Also, if you hand is covered in mud or wet sand it's really hard to avoid getting dirt onto the exposed cartridges of the en-bloc clips. The carbine's magazines by comparison mostly seals away the ammo and you only touch the external magazine not the ammunition, the action also never locks open and the magazine is pointing down as standard. And with a 30-round mag you just won't have to reload as often.
The same reason they hate all semis, I'd guess... Cause they aren't bolt actions or double barrels.
The M1 Carbine was Audi Murphy's preferred weapon in the forests of Europe in WWII.
The M1 C is bad ass.. you just cannot compare it to the Garand which is the Greatest battle implement ever devised.
Eating drugs and catching slugs... I need a new tattoo
If your Grandpa was in Indochina and loved his M1 Carbine, smash that like button.
Thanks for the vid
the israeli police loved chaote stock m1 carbines. very bizarre. I thought Bermuda's past use of choate stock Mini14s was weird, hoo boy.
the m1 carbine was designed to be carried by officers and REMFs.
its a wimpe caliber that has very little knock down power. it jams when dirty. BUT in use as an automatic at ranges under 150 yds it is effective.
It has similar power to a .357 and more range. Definitely not a weak round. It has served longer than the Garrand in military and police service..
First step for any New owner of a Carbine is to replace every single spring and make certain it has a type2 gas nut, I still come across carbines with type1's and that is a major contributor to them being unreliable.
Overall your videos are really interesting and quite unusual for a complete layman.
Maybe a stupid question, but really the difference between owning an M1 Carbine and a handgun was that big on the battlefield? If I'm not mistaken, the range of the pistol was 70 yards, and the M1 was 200-300? This is practically over 4-5 more range. I never would have guessed there were such big differences.
Really the draw to using an M1 Carbine over a handgun was the capacity, lethality, and ease of use. A pistol of the era, like a 1911, of course had a lethal range that far exceeded the skill of the average user - which was expected to be 25 yards or less. Anything beyond that, however, wasn't expected or really part of any training given.
Pistols are much more difficult to make consistent and accurate hits than a rifle, and typically only held 7 or 8 rounds during this era. There's actually some historic training films on UA-cam that instruct the soldier to "point" and shoot one-handed, without even using the sights! Pretty odd to think of now.
But if the same soldier was given a light, handy carbine they could easily carry with their gear - and held 15 rounds of a more powerful cartridge, the defensive capabilities of medics, artillery crews, radiomen, etc. was considerably enhanced in comparison to a single pistol.
Though range was not the primary focus, it was an added benefit. So you would be much better at engaging an unexpected wave of enemy soldiers, whether they're at arms length - or fastly approaching from 200 meters.
In my opinion, the M1 carbine was a really well designed PDW from the era, and really was the best choice for support troops that couldn't carry a full size rifle.
I hope this answered your question!
@@BangoJay_Official och it's really weird then. It was a life or death matters and they didn't teach a proper way of handling the guns.
It's so confusing for me. They didn't know or didn't care ? Like when you were using sword and any melee weapons in middle ages you were teach something that works , right ?
If it didn't people would die and don't teach anyone other xd
I just wish .30 carbine wasnt almost a dollar a round
why your grandpa probably "hated"(as in died years ago) m1 carbine
More WW2 stuff please...
For sure! WW2 guns were my OBSESSION when I first started collecting. So I'll definitely make some videos on those guns in the future.
@BangoJay_Official Thank you Sir, looking forward to seeing them. 🙂
My FATHER, came back from the korean war with one. said he sold it for $20 a few years later.
You'd be an idiot to hate the M1 Carbine or the Ruger Mini 14.
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Is your mic weird or is that just an effect?
The mic is weird, I'm going to get a replacement for it soon hopefully. I've tried messing with the sound levels to make it sound better for the newer videos, but usually it ends up being loud and crackly, or too quiet overall.
@@BangoJay_Official It sounds as if something is changing all the time. If you aren't moving around then maybe it's the software.
Yeah I'll have to look into that. It's entirely possible that it's something on the software side of things. Thanks for the tip!
What is a Fudd?
It's a slang term derived from "Elmer Fudd," the Looney Tunes character. "Fudd" is a catch-all used to describe somebody that knows very little about guns because they only own a couple strictly for hunting (which is fine, I hunt too), BUT they wildly spread misinformation and rumors about certain guns, inevitably causing conflict in the gun world. Some "Fudd rumors" you may have heard before include:
- The .380 can't penetrate a Carhartt Coat (one I hear too much where I live)
- .22lr is the best self defense round because it bounces around in your skull
- You can't hunt with an AR
- Women need revolvers because they can't comprehend a semi automatic pistol
- The M1 Carbine is incapable of lethal damage, it was designed to wound
- Loudly pumping a shotgun will deter a home invader every time
- The 5.56 is inaccurate and tumbles through the air
- AKs are garbage and unreliable
- 9mm is too weak for self defense
- you should carry a revolver because you'll never need more than 5 or 6 rounds
The list goes on and on, but I hope this helped!
The U.S. M1 carbine was submitted as a replacement for the 1911 pistol. The idea of comparing it to a full patch service rifle like the Garand is idiotic, just plain dumb and stupid. It served well enough in Europe and the South Pacific when used and applied in its proper role.
The Korean issue and stories of not penetrating winter clothing is true, but not because of any lack in the rifle itself! 1953-54 Army ordnance reviewed the issue in depth and the truth was finally revealed. As you said, the Military likes to hold on to, and reuse as much equipment as possible. Unfortunately, this also applied to the millions of rounds of surplus .30 carbine ammo manufactured for WWII South Pacific use. The biggest problem in this theater of operations was humidity and corrosion and this affected carbine ammo to the point where all powder was modified with a specially designed desiccant that obviated the humidity quite successfully. This was the ammo sent with our troops to Korea, and unfortunately the WWII "desiccated" ammo responded to sub-zero temps by decreasing the amount of powder burned in each cartridge. The muzzle velocity was dropped on the average of 60% which reduced stopping power, cycling, dependability resulting in frequent jams, failure to feed, failure to extract, and a lot of carbines left to rot because of their "reputation" when salvage teams cleaned up weapons along with graves registration.
It was the powder, not the piece!
Reminds me of the M16. It was quite dependable when using the IMR powder it was designed for. When Remington's production lagged due to the increased need in Nam, the Army substituted WWII ball powder. This drove the full auto rate of the M16 past 700 rd per minute to almost 950! This broke bolts, blew gas tubes, burned out barrels in no time, caused jams, failure to feed, failure to eject, and a lot of soldiers got killed. Once again the Army, in it's superior wisdom, changed the power and the weapon system was vilified!
Well it is a pistol round for one thing
Its a PDW not a rifle. Treated as such a weapon with considerable wounding capacity effective to two or three times the range of a handgun yet easily carried and you have an excellent carbine. I recall reading some time ago and apologies as I don't recall the source that these weapons or their pistol variants (the Iver Johnson Enforcer) were when loaded with soft points considered especially deadly in the 70's early 80's the pre AR period as well.
Like you I don't recall but easy to research, the actual guy the movie Serpico was based off, stated that the M1 Carbine put them down everytime, he even went on to say not even a 12 gauge was that reliable, 200 yards or less the carbine is a force to be reckoned with imo.
@@timothybagrowski643 Its little wonder I couldn't remember I've never seen Serpico
The M1 Carbine is amazingly easy to shoot which contributes a lot to its effectiveness.
Its only modern flaw is probably its bullet profile which is not great on Kevlar which these days even bad guys might have.
Its 5.7 Spitfire variant is also quite interesting, its basically an M4 with shorter range also do to its bullet profile. I've never shot one though I'm told the report is awful.
I know nothing about weapons, but 4:56 that looks so unpractical lol ;D
Yeah it was certainly a strange variant for sure! The M3 Carbine was one of the USAs first endeavors into using night vision scopes in a "marksman" role. It only had an effective range of ~75 yards, but they were surprisingly lethal at night in the jungles of the Pacific.
The infrared scope itself was absolutely massive, and it also had those dinner plate sized infrared spotlights for illumination. The user also had to carry a giant battery in a backpack, which is not shown in the picture.
Truly a unique and strange weapon for sure! We definitely take night vision capabilities for granted nowadays. Thanks for watching!
I love mine.
The M1 carbine similar to the mini 14 has an open bolt and does not adapt a scope to it without a cantilever mount and on top of that the mounting on the receiver isn’t set up for a rigid and stable enough mounting system for this reason it’s an open sites firearm it doesn’t let itself to sporty use likely A.R. 15
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1911A1 holds “ boomer “ bullets. Yeah tell that to the two VC I found in the tunnels I wormed my way thru in 68.
The future is now, old man
@@509Gman and it still has the 1911 not just kiddy guns
Dude we don’t need a recap of the history of it ok. Long before you were born we had things called books and since then the History channel has done 12 shows on it and the NRA magazine has to run a repeat article on it every other month. We don’t need a hipster to tell the world what we’ll all know.. just get to your point and stop trying to be something more
go hug your mother goddamn
That's a good story grandpa!
Darn, sorry for hurting your feelings by spreading the word about historical firearms to new people!
I didn't even know these "book" things existed until just now! I guess newer generations should be barred from learning about this stuff because they don't meet your standards for how they consume information?
Thanks for watching!
And yet, He still showed up to watch. I for one appreciate it, Anything about firearms, in fact before watching this video I tried reading about the carbine, but unfortunately all my books only go back to pre WW2 so everything was about the 03A1 Springfield, dam, if there was only a place to go. Hmmmm 🤔 - what a sad commenter.