The 472/500 was originally designed to support 600 cubic inch . A Cadillac spokesman back in the mid 70s said the reason the 600 cubic inch program was cancelled was simply because of the gas wars and insurance companies complaining.
Yes that is true I have read quite a bit of the engineer's notes from back then they did indeed plan on a 600 CID but like you said by the mid 70's everything changed for all of these engines They also had a limited edition V16 with 1000 HP but it never was a production car
@@Myvintageiron7512 they also were looking into making a V12 in the 60’s but stayed with the big V8’s. Also, you didn’t speak on the new Blackwing V8’s that wouldn’t fit into the the bulk of their cars😂
Man I own an automotive machine shop and I've still learned a lot from your series of the "American V8's" videos. I enjoy all of them. Thank you for putting the time in to make these videos. Don't worry about the trolls and the keyboard experts, most of them have never turned a wrench. Take care Brother.....
Thanks on covering one of my favorite and fascinating engine families. One of the most fascinating Cadillac engines is not a V8, but the V-16, especially the 1938-40 design of the block cast angle 135 degrees, still keeping the firing pulses 22.5 degrees apart and still fit in the engine compartment, and the dual manifolding, water pumps, ignition coils and distributors with the pair of points in one of them. You are doing a great job on your engine histories, along with Jay on his What's it like channel. His channel has been doing a lot of the 6 cylinder engines, so both your channel's engine histories complement each other.
Also some of the large gasoline engines that were used in American LaFrance fire trucks? I think some of more than 8 cylinders and had twined distributors and ignition coils? Was Cadillac's V16 used in an early fire truck or pumper?
@@davidpowell3347 I have not heard or read anywhere of the Cadillac v-16 used in fire engines , or commercial vehicles outside the few hearses and ambulances built with those engines, La France and Seagrave fire engines used either, or patterned after the Pierce Arrow V-12 car engine for years with dual ignitions like the Nash Jay featured until the 60's when the big block V-8's and diesel engines were comparable in power the V12's were phased out. I read in an Hemmings article that Seagrave made some of their V-12's with 0ver 900 cubic inches. That is larger than the GMC 702 V-12 engine, which was used in some GMC fire truckc.
I just love all this content! So much to learn. You spoke of them reintroducing the 472....Ford did this with tractor engines through the years. Had 3 different iterations of a 233 ci. Two 4 cylinders and one 6 cylinder. I'm sure it could be a real hoot at a dealership parts counter back in the day! Awesome series!
My mother had a ‘92 sedan deville with the 4.9…that car was actually very nice and moved down the road quite well….my caddilac has a 556hp supercharged LS in it and my god it is a hoot to drive
I want to thank you man for this interesting series of the American V8:s amazing how much work you have done to give us all the information served with pictures and data on each and every engine.👍
14:49 The 425 V-8 was the last Cadillac engine where the alternator was mounted in the V, the valley in between cylinder banks, which reduced vibration. The last model year you could get this engine in was 1979.
I'm a total Cadillac geek, when it comes to using the '49-79 V8 in HP applications. Yes, you made some errors and left some things out, but I'm not going to call you an idiot and correct you. Love your channel, watch most of your videos, and really appreciate you doing this V8 series! I've learned a lot from it.
My observation is that the 500 cu in V8 was first offered in the Elderado models in 1970, then thru the 1976 model year. It follows that the 472 was in the De Ville models from 68 thru the 73 model year, the 74, 75 & 76 full sized Cadillacs all had the 500 cu in V8, I really enjoy your presentations.
I absolutely love this series. I think the hydramatic was introduced in the 1940 model year I have a 46 and a 47 series 62 that both have hydramatics. Also have a 79 coupe de ville with the 425, great car, great engine. My 4100 leaked from everywhere. The factory fix I believe was to add stop leak to the radiator. It solved the leak, but the situation wasn’t really satisfactory. It’s refreshing to get great information from a grown up. Many many thanks.
I was a Goodwrench technician in the 80's and 90's. This was a good presentation. I have a little mop up or "who cares" info on the Northstar V8. The Genesis of it was the Quad 4 in the Cutlass Calais and Somerset Regals. An Olds creation that was so successful that Olds decided to take that technology and make a Quad 8. Quad meaning V8 with 4 valves per cylinder. They called it the Aurora 4.6 V8. I had classes at GM Training Center for it. It was supposed to be the best engine ever designed. (aren't they all?) Then desperate Cadillac scammed up on it through company politics and stretched the engine displacement out beyond its intended design. The original Olds version was pretty reliable.
I have a high compression Cadillac 390 with Tri Power 3×2 Barrel carburetors in a old 16' flat bottom V drive boat. It runs really strong. Has a top speed of 67 mph which is pretty good considering its a fairly heavy mahogany boat .
I've owned 14 Cadillacs over the years. Cadillac is always the BEST! Of the 14 three of them are 1981 6-8-4s. Yeah, mine worked, shifting from 8 to 6 to 4 and back again but had their hesitations lugging etc. So I solved these issues by rewiring the rocker solenoids where now they are activated manually by toggle switches on the dash. Works for me!
This should have been under manual driver control by the driver from the get-go. Did it require spooky low viscosity oil in order for the leakdown/pumpup function of the actuators not to take excessive time to complete?
Sounds good I'm looking forward to the International v-8 engines you should also do the same for inline 6 engines. Great job on all the videos look forward to seeing some more
I as well would like to see an inline 6 video as well. Some that come to mind: the Ford 300ci Big Six, Chrysler slant six, GM stovebolt six....maybe possibly even do the Jaguar 4.2/4.0L that was produced for decades, also perhaps the BMW inlines of years past. Id be interested in knowing the backstory and linageages of any of those, especially the Ford 300 six and the details of what made it so good and long lived.
Well, I'll be, Never knew that me and CADILLAC had a 5" stroke in common. Jokes aside I love your engine history series and I hope you keep them coming !!
I would like to see a video on all of the Packard 6 and 8 cylinder engines. I know Packard has been out of business for almost 70 years but I like all of the automobiles and engines they produced.
The 4.9 has become a favorite swap into Fieros. It fits with no cobbling of the spaceframe whatsoever. Some of us have added the intake and steel rocker supports from the 4.5 Allante. It runs out of breath before 5K, but it has enough torque to drag my house out into the road. (The 4.9 pictured in your video, with the two long tube intake runners and the TPI throttle body, was a Fiero installation.) It also doesn't hurt that the stock Fiero transaxles - even the manuals - bolt right up.
The modern version of the 4/6/8 concept is called AFM (active fuel management) on some current engines. It is theoretically better but it has introduced new failure modes. Early lifter failure is a big problem on a lot of these and it is a common practice to delete/disable it.
Very nice presentation. You didn't mention the 1957 dual quad 365 engine rated @325 HP. Straight linkage, bat wing air cleaner. I had one in a 53 Mercury, great memories. Thanks
Always wanted to see how the caddy 500 did in a pickup truck, towing a trailer up the mountain interstates; compared to the early turbo diesels with 4 speed automatic transmissions or older manual equivalent.
I glad you brought this up as i remember hearing about a farmer who installed one in his truck. I dont know if it was 3/4 or a one ton dual. That was a long time ago. I was told it ran well ..i doubt it got the fuel economy of a first gen 12 valve but it was a good gasoline truck ..I heard of farmers installed some diesels also back then in there trucks . This is about the time chev tried the old diesel bomb ..
I love Cadillac as I've been around them all my life. A few mistakes but that's ok. I have owned and worked on pretty much most of the engines listed after 1949. I know my grandfather worked and specialized on most of the early Cadillac V8's being very different and unique in design. Personally, my favorite classic V8 is the 390 from 1959-62 and my favorite modern Cadillac V8 is the 4.6L NorthStar. This engine does not receive the credit or recognition anymore it seems to me via these you tube videos. The early Northstar were actually very problem free than many think. Oil leaks will be common the gaskets that an engine uses. Oil problems and fuel injection problems is incorrect. Head gasket problems all stemmed from poorly maintained cooling systems and one major thing that happened with GM during the later 90s was the introduction of Dexcool antifreeze. This is still a great engine that doesn't get the recognition that is should be getting. My oldest is 1961 and my newest is 2005 and all of them have been excellent. It just takes the right person to know what they're doing.
Interesting, learn something new every day! I did not know the Caddy 4.1 and 4.5 were actually one in the same, I was always led to believe the 4.5 was basically a whole new redesign. That's great to know when fishing for parts! International Harvester would indeed be super interesting. But so would Hudson, Nash and Studebaker - all pre-AMC stuff I don't know all that much about!
we put that 472 in a 72 Chevy c-10 works great, street raced 1977-1989 caddliac Big Block only aftermarket part was a Holley carburetor everything else was stock even the points distributor 👍💪
The 5.7DX (Diesel) engines were not as bad as everybody thought. There were a couple of problems though ... not with the robustness of the block, which was bulletproof --- but the head bolts were a failure as there weren't enough of them and the Roosa-Master injection pump was better suited for a trash compactor or sewage pump that would run at a set RPM for days and not be required to constantly accelerate and idle for long periods of time. I worked on these D and DX engines exclusively in a diesel shop for a few years, and even owned a Canadian Calibrated version in a 1982 Pontiac Bonneville Grand Safari station wagon that towed a 36 foot RV Camping trailer for over 475,000 miles with one engine failure when a piston decided it would like to see what it was like outside of the block and (maybe) 5 sets of head bolts and FelPro "Purple" gaskets. I later on, studded this engine and never failed another head gasket - or bolt again. There were several levels of buildups for these engines --- 1. Canadian with higher 22:1 compression and camshaft indexed at 0° TDC, 2. the Federal version with an 8° RETARDED camshaft and lower, 19:1 compression and then the biggest mistake was the 3. CalEPA version with a 12° RETARDED cam and only 17:1 compression - which promoted a lot of smoke and ran a lot hotter while producing lower horsepower and torque. I got so fast at changing head gaskets and bolts on the Cadillac Sevilles, that I could get 2 done in a single work day. IIRC, the first D-engine in the Cadillacs was a 4.3L/D which was quickly jerked out and replaced with a 5.7L/DX because the first engine couldn't pull your hat off in a windstorm.
Well i remember my friends who worked in the oil field drove them for a while . Head gaskets and of course heater cores blown up from that . Broken cranks and oil leaks . Seems that gm fix for the high blow by was to drill out the breather . When Ford came out with there diesel the chev diesel was dropped like a hot rock lol. I rode in a car once with the diesel and it did pretty good as i remember..That was a long time ago ..later on it thrashed to lol
@@jimkillen1065 Most humbly, James, you are wrong on a lot of your "factoids" ... > Drilling out the KV Breather was a trick on the 6.2s, not the 5.7s. I know --- I had the TSB on that as a Smog Inspector in SoCal during that time. > That said --- there were two GM 5.7L Diesels (not to mention the 4.3L/D too) --- the D and the DX. The Ds were weak and had lower end troubles until the nodular crank was replaced with a forged version. > One could tell the "D" from the "DX" by both a head casting designation and that the "D" used the "pencil injectors" and the DX used the screw-in versions by both Bosch and Roosa-Master/Stanodyne. > Ford never "came out" with a diesel --- they got the GM v Ford corporate short straw and had to assume the 6.9 from IHC because Harvester dropped all their gasoline engines and ceased making both Diesel or gasoline-powered pickup trucks and Scouts so they didn't have to be in the same shark-infested waters with CAFE Standards. > The 6.9L IHC engine in original form was a tough engine and when Ford got it, their F-series pickup front ends couldn't support the weight so they lightened them about 125 lbs by taking out "spurious cast iron" in the block and heads --- and jacking up the front spring rates (remember the crazy tire wear on the front tires on F&E series trucks/vans? Uh huh! > I know this because I worked with Ford Assembly Line engineers at their Rosecrans Plaant where they were trying to find out how to keep the now unsupported "wings" on the heads - where they met the block - from rising up and you could stick a butterknive between the head and the block. > Remember the strange coolant leaks that LOOKED like the oil/heat exchanger was leaking but it turned out to be the head surface not staying flat? > FelPro came up with a new-designed head gasket with a "device" - (not my terminology - but Ford's) - that had a bellows in that to compensate for the badly weakened area where the crossover coolant flowed, to keep it from leaking when it cooled down and opened up. > The FekPro gaskets worked very well - I know --- I installed dozens if not a few hundred of them. > Ford however, refused to put another $3.00 each into those much better gaskets, staying with the cheaper Detroit or Victor gaskets - and the problem was there until the 6.9L was phased out for the 7.3L. Yeah --- Ford had a great engine .... not! Then they created the 7.3 from the original 6.9 by taking out MORE cast iron and somehow it worked.
Have been looking forward to the chapter on Cadillac. I think you transposed some digits on the 1949 OHV 331 V8. Bore was 3.8125 inches... It was an oversquare design. Although not widely publicized in brochures, the torque rating was ~288 lb.ft. SAE Gross at ~1800 rpm. The 429 cu.in. engine debutted concurrently with the new generation Turbo Hydra-matic transmission, aka THM400. MY 1964 cars produced with the earlier 390 cu.in. engine also used the earlier fluid coupling Hydra-matic transmission in its last year of production.
I don't know how, but my grandmother drove her 1982 Cadillac Sedan Deville for 11 years. I absolutely loved it because the interior had so many gizmos. It had even more gizmos than my mom's 1985 Nissan Maxima. Also, I am grateful it didn't have one gizmo, a robot voice. 24:17 Looks like they also replaced the TBI system with multi port injection. Maybe that was the Allante 4.1 only?
my Dad had a 1972 Coupe de Ville with the 472 engine. that was hands down in the top 3 cars he ever owned. everything worked, all the time, with one exception. It would break the nose of the starter motor off around every 8-10k miles. after it happened the third time, we did a compression check. we were flabbergasted. it blew apart a 300 psi compression gauge! we took the head off, thinking there would be a lot of carbon build up, or a mis-casted head. but everything was normal. we even measured how far up the cylinder the piston traveled. thinking maybe a rod was stretched, or a piston mis-machined. nope, again, everything was normal. the only thing we could come up with was that that cylinder had perfect piston ring seal. we were not about to pull the bottom end apart. so Dad got a very small very fine triangle shaped file, and we filed a tiny groove from about an inch down from the top of the cylinder down to the top of the piston. we cleaned everything up, replaced the gaskets, and assembled the engine. that cylinder still had 40 more psi than any other cylinders. but it cured the starter breaking problem. and it never burned any appreciable amount of oil. it lasted dad another 4 or 5 years. until he wanted a newer car. it was a great car.
1958 - 1962 Had a 390 cid version of the earlier 365. Bore 4" and stroke 3.875. It had 325 hp and 430 tq with a four barrel, and 345 hp and 435 tq with 3 x 2 barrel
I worked on many of these engine up to 1986. I once worked on a 41 flat head. The 472-500 were my favoites ,biggest issue was weak and broken valve springs. If you did a 3 angle valve job ,and 2 angles on the valves it really woke them up. I always put new springs in too. The ht4100 was a piece of crap. No gaskets, almost everything was silicone...and they leaked real badif you mixed and matched flat top piston short bloke with a 70 head with small chambers that would make some power with high er compression. The 425 had a aluminum intake...and it always leaked at number#7 & give it a rough idle. They finally stapled a paper gasket to the metal "turkey pan" and that sloved it. I think the blocks were machined wrong or the manifold. Or maybe they warpped due to all the weight (metal) they removed from the blocks and head. We were told the rotating assembly was from the olds 425...???
I just watched your flat tappet video. Im in process of overhauling a a 4l jeep when i found out the cam and lifter problems. Can you recommend a roller set up for it. I was just going with an rv cam as its a driver. thanks. no other way to contact you.
That’s weird my parents owned a 1959 Coupe De Ville 2 door hard top that had a 390 overhead valve engine I remember changing the fuel pump on it when I was 16 in 1966. They had bought the car used in 1963 or 1964. Dad and two of his co workers ran a AA/F dragster in 1964 at Santa Maria, CA.
Good info! Observations. Not unique to Cadillac is GM's tendencies to introduce half baked designs. I wonder if, without proof, Corporate production pressure led the divisions to put out designs before working out the bugs? Direct experience: 472/500s used a high nickel/ high tin alloy that enhanced thermal performance & reduced bore wear. It is not uncommon to source a u-pull-it with little or no bore wear. In fact it was used in high stress small block Chevys & big block GM performance engines. On the ...010 Chevy blocks, if one looks behind the cam sprocket, there may be two 3 digit numbers cast there. 10 for hi tin & 30 for high nickel. I tore down one that had
For it's intended use as a truck engine even tho the TBI and heads had terrible potential for a high performance application the TBI 5.7 Chevy engine was a great truck engine big improvement compared to GMs old smog headed Qjet 350, the 350 the tbi 5.7 felt pretty lively. That swirl port head made great TQ, but that hugely obstructive swirl ramp was making any high rpm HP impossible but surprisingly they will still pull smoothly out to 5000rpm or so how I have no idea. I had a 2wd regular cab Silverado with a TBI 350 and it had a mild c.a.r.b. approved crane compucam it had 210/216 during @0.50 and .440/.454 lift 112° lsa a cat delete dual exhaust and 3.73 it ran strong even with the 3.42 gear it came with. With those few mods it had a bit more TQ and midrange power, it wasn't fast per se but I ran strong and would do respectable posi burnouts lol.
True! Hot Rod magazine tech editor ,Steve Mangante did built a budget 11 second car that was all motor! Of course it was just an oversized engine in an undersize car!
I know England and Europe made some nice small V8's but please don't forget about GM's Australian arm, Holden, had a few top V8's. Kind of a SBC cross 400 Buick, that found there way into many drag and burnout cars. I race one myself, see my page.
Did the later HT engines get some kind of girdle that the head bolt threads or studs anchored into? Strange that Cadillac would make the same mistake again with the NorthStar (weak head bolt threads and/or undersized head bolts/studs that stretched,pulled or otherwise allowed the cylinder heads to "lift" Diesel engine makers such as Cummins solved a lot of these problems with cylinder head lift and head gasket sealing many years ago ? The round "pills" that were supplied by GM dealers for use in the coolant of HT engines? Did they help? Some sort of stopleak?
I understood you to say about 8 minutes into your presentation that Cadillac brought out the 390 V8 in 1963. Motor's repair manual shows this 390 V8 used for a 5 year span, 59 thru 63. Could Motor's be mistaken? In the late 70s and early 80s I owned & drove regularly a 70 Cad Couple DeVille w/ that 472 V8. I found it went thru starter motors one right after the other. Also the sloppy idle I later determined was due to a drain plug installed in the torque converter, thru it out of balance. The 390 V8 had fuel pump in front, not on the side.
I owned both a 1959 Cadillac (SdV) and a 1963 Cadillac (CdV) and they had both the first and the last 390CI run for engines, IIFR. BTW ---> the 1959 could run circles around the 1963. >> I don't understand how you arrived at the unbalancing of the convertor from a drain plug or how it could happen. The balancing is done after the drain plug was installed during manufacture --- anything other then that would not be in general balance-engineering because the guys with slide-rules would NOT let that happen. >> But then again ... since I owned a transmission shop and worked at a few more --- I never saw a drain plug installed in anything GM offered --- unless some driveway wrench decided to put one in himself. >> Still though ---> drilling out some metal (for a hole) in the convertor --- and putting some metal back in (the plug) --- wouldn't go very far into an unbalanced situation anyway.
59 to 63 is correct the 1963 version was a revised addition of the engine that was 52 Lbs lighter and uses different crankshaft and connecting rods, as well as being narrower and shorter
You should have had noted about Cadillac engines that were marinized. The earliest were 331 then 354 and finally the 390 all converted by the company that became Crusader Marine. Originally DRE. Detroit Racing Engines, then Cal Connel Cadillac then Cadillac Crusader as and finally Crusader Marine. .the last year for Cadillac in (Crusader Marine) was 1963. Crusader went to Chevy blocks after that.
My bad. It was 331. I knew it was a match to a hemi. The hemi was also marinized. Both the 331 & 354. And maybe 392. (I haven't seen one of those). Cadillac were marinized 331, 365, and 390. Ranging from 230, 240, 250, 275, 275, 285,300, and 325. Depending on the year, carburetor , cid, and compression. There were two different 325 hp. one was the 365, one was the 390. The 365 was considered a racing engine. The earliest ones came out in 1953 ish. Basically custom built by DRE. There were between 30 & 36 of those. # 1200 thru 1230 & 1236. Cal Connell Cadillac name change started between 1231 and 1236. We believe the first DRE Marine engine was #1200. DRE, Cal Connell Cadillac & Crusader Marine built a 1000 + between 1953 & 1963. Working on figuring out exactly how many were built from boat manufacturers records. Crusader has no records from 1963 and earlier.
@tmiklos4 yes the popular hemi's were the 331,354,392 and some baby hemi's around 270 cid from trucks I believe. The 365 definitely was a popular swap as the 56 Eldorado had the dual quad intake all cool engines. I have a 56 4 dr hdtp sedan deville with the 365. I also picked up a pair of 354's that I'd like to use up in something. Have a good one 🤙
We ( my brothers and me) have several marine Cadillac engines. And several Chryslers .. as far as what engine can be run at WOT . Chryslers can be run WOT almost endlessly. Not so much with the Cadillac . Finding a boat with a good original engine today is about 80 times easier with a Chrysler. They are bulletproof. Cadillac engines tended to fail due to oil returns. This problem can be fixed in a rebuilt. Oil returns are enlarged. Also a higher volume oil pump helps. We have run 365 and 390 Cadillac. 354 hemis 413 and 440 Chryslers. Both dual 4 bbl and single , on both Cadillac and Chrysler. We have Also run big fords fe 352 390, 427. Also big block Chevy, 427 454. My favorite of all of these is the 413 Chrysler. I know im rambling.
The 1949 Cad ohv engine was the premier engine of the time. It would move the hesvy Cadillac up beyond 110 mph. FAST FOR THE TIME. A common conversion was to transplant these engines into 1953 1954and 1955 light weight Studabaker voupes. These made very fast street rods.
Had a buddy in high school in 1963-4 who was a Studebaker/Cadillac nut! He had a Golden Commando and a Silver Hawk with Cads in them ... I think he mentioned the name; "Kettering" all the time and how the Studes were designed to accept the Cad engines since Kettering worked for both companies. He called his hybrids: "Studellacs".
Restored, swapped engines, trans, several older Caddys. Heads cracked web between cyl, exhaust, intake valve. Leaked coolant into combustion if severe. Experience.. Studebakers, Hawks above 100 mph were barely controllable, felt like a basket of parts through the twisties on old two lanes, to say nothing for brakes.. ;/
The four seventy and the five hundred five hundred was actually five hundred and ten cubic in the El dorado where's the best Snow machine ever made. That Front wheel drive was totally awesome
International would be interesting! Ok I have a question about Cadillac blocks such as the 472 & 500. I've heard some refer to them as weak, or just being puuny. Like main caps, skinny & light. But then others have said they used a special recipie for the metal the cast their blocks with, so they might look light but are actually very strong & durable? Is there any truth in any of this stuff???
Yes, they were high nickel blocks and quite strong. The rods were relatively weak, and the oiling system was not meant for high RPM service. These things are easily corrected when hotrodding them, though.
13:40 It must be remembered that some (but not all) of the reduction in advertised horsepower ratings was due to the difference between the SAE gross ratings advertised prior to 1972 and the SAE net ratings advertised in later years.
>>> Continental produced a LOT of engines for various automobile and tractor engines at the same time back from mebbe the 1920s to the mid-1950s. >>> I believe that Kettering/Cadillac also produced a few Kettering/Studebaker engines - but maybe you've just noticed that a Ford engine (f'rinstance) was in a Mercury and as well as Fords --- and GM - who got their corporate butts handed to them for doing the same thing but not changing a decal, was using their GM/ Chevy/ Olds/ Buick/ Pontiac engines kinda indiscriminately in their whole lineup for a while. >>> Ford used the term: "Ford Powered" and avoided the lawsuits and GM just let the individual badges stay with their different engine, no matter where they wound up. >>> It wasn't uncommon to find an Oldsmobile engine in a Chev or vice-versa. Hence the lawsuits from Nancy-car owners.
HP numbers really came down in early '70s because they changed from gross HP at the crank to net HP at the wheels. In addition to the smog controls. Hp didn't come back until there were computers fast enough to control the engines.
The 472/500 was originally designed to support 600 cubic inch . A Cadillac spokesman back in the mid 70s said the reason the 600 cubic inch program was cancelled was simply because of the gas wars and insurance companies complaining.
Cadillacs are the geniuses, luxury in a muscle car
Yes that is true I have read quite a bit of the engineer's notes from back then they did indeed plan on a 600 CID but like you said by the mid 70's everything changed for all of these engines They also had a limited edition V16 with 1000 HP but it never was a production car
@@Myvintageiron7512 they also were looking into making a V12 in the 60’s but stayed with the big V8’s.
Also, you didn’t speak on the new Blackwing V8’s that wouldn’t fit into the the bulk of their cars😂
That would make for one incredible airboat engine!
@@Myvintageiron7512 liberal-19!
This is the information we needed. No sponsor plugs, no fancy editing, just straightforward information.
Man I own an automotive machine shop and I've still learned a lot from your series of the "American V8's" videos. I enjoy all of them. Thank you for putting the time in to make these videos. Don't worry about the trolls and the keyboard experts, most of them have never turned a wrench. Take care Brother.....
Right on!
I have owned over 20 Cadillacs. I'm addicted to the brand. Thank you for the video
For the 429, he said "Chrysler produced" 😮 so many videos, so many engines.... 😉😉😉 Can't wait for the International Video!
I have thoroughly enjoyed all of the series
Thanks on covering one of my favorite and fascinating engine families. One of the most fascinating Cadillac engines is not a V8, but the V-16, especially the 1938-40 design of the block cast angle 135 degrees, still keeping the firing pulses 22.5 degrees apart and still fit in the engine compartment, and the dual manifolding, water pumps, ignition coils and distributors with the pair of points in one of them. You are doing a great job on your engine histories, along with Jay on his What's it like channel. His channel has been doing a lot of the 6 cylinder engines, so both your channel's engine histories complement each other.
Also some of the large gasoline engines that were used in American LaFrance fire trucks? I think some of more than 8 cylinders and had twined distributors and ignition coils?
Was Cadillac's V16 used in an early fire truck or pumper?
@@davidpowell3347 I have not heard or read anywhere of the Cadillac v-16 used in fire engines , or commercial vehicles outside the few hearses and ambulances built with those engines,
La France and Seagrave fire engines used either, or patterned after the Pierce Arrow V-12 car engine for years with dual ignitions like the Nash Jay featured until the 60's when the big block V-8's and diesel engines were comparable in power the V12's were phased out. I read in an Hemmings article that Seagrave made some of their V-12's with 0ver 900 cubic inches. That is larger than the GMC 702 V-12 engine, which was used in some GMC fire truckc.
I remember someone build a 472 for Engine Masters, bored out to 500ci and made like 780hp on pump gas. Really really nice engine.
Engine Masters has connection with all the aftermarket companies! I love their show.
I just love all this content! So much to learn. You spoke of them reintroducing the 472....Ford did this with tractor engines through the years. Had 3 different iterations of a 233 ci. Two 4 cylinders and one 6 cylinder. I'm sure it could be a real hoot at a dealership parts counter back in the day! Awesome series!
My mother had a ‘92 sedan deville with the 4.9…that car was actually very nice and moved down the road quite well….my caddilac has a 556hp supercharged LS in it and my god it is a hoot to drive
I want to thank you man for this interesting series of the American V8:s amazing how much work you have done to give us all the information served with pictures and data on each and every engine.👍
happy to do it I love V8 engines if you love what you do you won't work a day in your life
14:49 The 425 V-8 was the last Cadillac engine where the alternator was mounted in the V, the valley in between cylinder banks, which reduced vibration. The last model year you could get this engine in was 1979.
Lots of good knowledge grew up with them caddy's still have two 73 500 and a 93 4.9 can't wait to see more thanks
I'm a total Cadillac geek, when it comes to using the '49-79 V8 in HP applications. Yes, you made some errors and left some things out, but I'm not going to call you an idiot and correct you. Love your channel, watch most of your videos, and really appreciate you doing this V8 series! I've learned a lot from it.
Thank you for another interesting video. You can always take on six cylinders if you too bored. Awesome series. thanks again.
My observation is that the 500 cu in V8 was first offered in the Elderado models in 1970, then thru the 1976 model year. It follows that the 472 was in the De Ville models from 68 thru the 73 model year, the 74, 75 & 76 full sized Cadillacs all had the 500 cu in V8, I really enjoy your presentations.
Another class video, I enjoy them all. Thank you for all the content. Cheers
Very welcome
Love ur knowledge!! Thx man.
I absolutely love this series.
I think the hydramatic was introduced in the 1940 model year
I have a 46 and a 47 series 62 that both have hydramatics.
Also have a 79 coupe de ville with the 425, great car, great engine.
My 4100 leaked from everywhere.
The factory fix I believe was to add stop leak to the radiator.
It solved the leak, but the situation wasn’t really satisfactory.
It’s refreshing to get great information from a grown up.
Many many thanks.
Very cool!
Hopefully he does one on the international harvester SV engine family.
I was a Goodwrench technician in the 80's and 90's. This was a good presentation. I have a little mop up or "who cares" info on the Northstar V8. The Genesis of it was the Quad 4 in the Cutlass Calais and Somerset Regals. An Olds creation that was so successful that Olds decided to take that technology and make a Quad 8. Quad meaning V8 with 4 valves per cylinder. They called it the Aurora 4.6 V8. I had classes at GM Training Center for it. It was supposed to be the best engine ever designed. (aren't they all?) Then desperate Cadillac scammed up on it through company politics and stretched the engine displacement out beyond its intended design. The original Olds version was pretty reliable.
Thanks for the great videos!
I have a high compression Cadillac 390 with Tri Power 3×2 Barrel carburetors in a old 16' flat bottom V drive boat. It runs really strong. Has a top speed of 67 mph which is pretty good considering its a fairly heavy mahogany boat .
Yea thats pretty decent for sure .
I've owned 14 Cadillacs over the years. Cadillac is always the BEST! Of the 14 three of them are 1981 6-8-4s. Yeah, mine worked, shifting from 8 to 6 to 4 and back again but had their hesitations lugging etc. So I solved these issues by rewiring the rocker solenoids where now they are activated manually by toggle switches on the dash. Works for me!
This should have been under manual driver control by the driver from the get-go. Did it require spooky low viscosity oil in order for the leakdown/pumpup function of the actuators not to take excessive time to complete?
Very informative video. I had a '99 Seville with a Northstar 4.6 and it was an overheating nightmare!
I had a ‘99 Aurora that was rock solid reliable. It had over 200k miles and still going strong when my son hit a deer with it.
Would love the IHC engines. In the 70s, they were a 300,000 mile engine when all other engine manufactures were end of life about 100,000 miles.
wow so much knowledge. thanx a lot.
Sounds good I'm looking forward to the International v-8 engines you should also do the same for inline 6 engines. Great job on all the videos look forward to seeing some more
I as well would like to see an inline 6 video as well. Some that come to mind: the Ford 300ci Big Six, Chrysler slant six, GM stovebolt six....maybe possibly even do the Jaguar 4.2/4.0L that was produced for decades, also perhaps the BMW inlines of years past. Id be interested in knowing the backstory and linageages of any of those, especially the Ford 300 six and the details of what made it so good and long lived.
Very Good Video SIR Keep Them Up
Well, I'll be, Never knew that me and CADILLAC had a 5" stroke in common. Jokes aside I love your engine history series and I hope you keep them coming !!
I would like to see a video on all of the Packard 6 and 8 cylinder engines. I know Packard has been out of business for almost 70 years but I like all of the automobiles and engines they produced.
Pulled the HT 4100 out of my 83 Coupe De Ville swapped in a nice small block Chevy about 425 hp using all factory parts! What a screamer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the video very nice awesome content ❤❤❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it
The 4.9 has become a favorite swap into Fieros. It fits with no cobbling of the spaceframe whatsoever. Some of us have added the intake and steel rocker supports from the 4.5 Allante. It runs out of breath before 5K, but it has enough torque to drag my house out into the road. (The 4.9 pictured in your video, with the two long tube intake runners and the TPI throttle body, was a Fiero installation.) It also doesn't hurt that the stock Fiero transaxles - even the manuals - bolt right up.
very interesting I didn't know that
The modern version of the 4/6/8 concept is called AFM (active fuel management) on some current engines. It is theoretically better but it has introduced new failure modes. Early lifter failure is a big problem on a lot of these and it is a common practice to delete/disable it.
Junk.
I wish I saw Your video before I bought the ‘85 DeVille, (Short Stretch Limo), back in 2013.
That motor would sure look nice in a vintage street rod
Thank you have owned lots of the daddy's good and bad still one backed in garage enjoyed your work
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Good info Teach!
I would definitely watch a video on the history of international engines!
Coming soon!
@@Myvintageiron7512 I’m subscribed and got my bell 🔔 ready to let me know when it drops!
Very nice presentation. You didn't mention the 1957 dual quad 365 engine rated @325 HP. Straight linkage, bat wing air cleaner. I had one in a 53 Mercury, great memories.
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I'm a Cadillac guy, you didn't butcher it too badly.. lol.. :)
Very cool 🤙 I have about 20 cadillac's at the moment
The enthoutiastic way the knowledge you bring,must be the ,the most green thinking people be petrolheads,absolutely magnificent channel
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Always wanted to see how the caddy 500 did in a pickup truck, towing a trailer up the mountain interstates; compared to the early turbo diesels with 4 speed automatic transmissions or older manual equivalent.
I glad you brought this up as i remember hearing about a farmer who installed one in his truck. I dont know if it was 3/4 or a one ton dual. That was a long time ago. I was told it ran well ..i doubt it got the fuel economy of a first gen 12 valve but it was a good gasoline truck ..I heard of farmers installed some diesels also back then in there trucks . This is about the time chev tried the old diesel bomb ..
I love Cadillac as I've been around them all my life. A few mistakes but that's ok. I have owned and worked on pretty much most of the engines listed after 1949. I know my grandfather worked and specialized on most of the early Cadillac V8's being very different and unique in design. Personally, my favorite classic V8 is the 390 from 1959-62 and my favorite modern Cadillac V8 is the 4.6L NorthStar. This engine does not receive the credit or recognition anymore it seems to me via these you tube videos. The early Northstar were actually very problem free than many think. Oil leaks will be common the gaskets that an engine uses. Oil problems and fuel injection problems is incorrect. Head gasket problems all stemmed from poorly maintained cooling systems and one major thing that happened with GM during the later 90s was the introduction of Dexcool antifreeze. This is still a great engine that doesn't get the recognition that is should be getting. My oldest is 1961 and my newest is 2005 and all of them have been excellent. It just takes the right person to know what they're doing.
Interesting, learn something new every day! I did not know the Caddy 4.1 and 4.5 were actually one in the same, I was always led to believe the 4.5 was basically a whole new redesign. That's great to know when fishing for parts!
International Harvester would indeed be super interesting. But so would Hudson, Nash and Studebaker - all pre-AMC stuff I don't know all that much about!
great watch.
Those older cad and olds and others sure looked cool when dressed up
Can you help have two complete Caddy V* flathead eng looking to ID these two with updraft carb
we put that 472 in a 72 Chevy c-10 works great, street raced 1977-1989 caddliac Big Block only aftermarket part was a Holley carburetor everything else was stock even the points distributor 👍💪
Would love to see maybe some L6 videos!
The 5.7DX (Diesel) engines were not as bad as everybody thought. There were a couple of problems though ... not with the robustness of the block, which was bulletproof --- but the head bolts were a failure as there weren't enough of them and the Roosa-Master injection pump was better suited for a trash compactor or sewage pump that would run at a set RPM for days and not be required to constantly accelerate and idle for long periods of time.
I worked on these D and DX engines exclusively in a diesel shop for a few years, and even owned a Canadian Calibrated version in a 1982 Pontiac Bonneville Grand Safari station wagon that towed a 36 foot RV Camping trailer for over 475,000 miles with one engine failure when a piston decided it would like to see what it was like outside of the block and (maybe) 5 sets of head bolts and FelPro "Purple" gaskets. I later on, studded this engine and never failed another head gasket - or bolt again.
There were several levels of buildups for these engines --- 1. Canadian with higher 22:1 compression and camshaft indexed at 0° TDC, 2. the Federal version with an 8° RETARDED camshaft and lower, 19:1 compression and then the biggest mistake was the 3. CalEPA version with a 12° RETARDED cam and only 17:1 compression - which promoted a lot of smoke and ran a lot hotter while producing lower horsepower and torque.
I got so fast at changing head gaskets and bolts on the Cadillac Sevilles, that I could get 2 done in a single work day. IIRC, the first D-engine in the Cadillacs was a 4.3L/D which was quickly jerked out and replaced with a 5.7L/DX because the first engine couldn't pull your hat off in a windstorm.
Well i remember my friends who worked in the oil field drove them for a while . Head gaskets and of course heater cores blown up from that . Broken cranks and oil leaks . Seems that gm fix for the high blow by was to drill out the breather . When Ford came out with there diesel the chev diesel was dropped like a hot rock lol. I rode in a car once with the diesel and it did pretty good as i remember..That was a long time ago ..later on it thrashed to lol
@@jimkillen1065 Most humbly, James, you are wrong on a lot of your "factoids" ...
> Drilling out the KV Breather was a trick on the 6.2s, not the 5.7s. I know --- I had the TSB on that as a Smog Inspector in SoCal during that time.
> That said --- there were two GM 5.7L Diesels (not to mention the 4.3L/D too) --- the D and the DX. The Ds were weak and had lower end troubles until the nodular crank was replaced with a forged version.
> One could tell the "D" from the "DX" by both a head casting designation and that the "D" used the "pencil injectors" and the DX used the screw-in versions by both Bosch and Roosa-Master/Stanodyne.
> Ford never "came out" with a diesel --- they got the GM v Ford corporate short straw and had to assume the 6.9 from IHC because Harvester dropped all their gasoline engines and ceased making both Diesel or gasoline-powered pickup trucks and Scouts so they didn't have to be in the same shark-infested waters with CAFE Standards.
> The 6.9L IHC engine in original form was a tough engine and when Ford got it, their F-series pickup front ends couldn't support the weight so they lightened them about 125 lbs by taking out "spurious cast iron" in the block and heads --- and jacking up the front spring rates (remember the crazy tire wear on the front tires on F&E series trucks/vans? Uh huh!
> I know this because I worked with Ford Assembly Line engineers at their Rosecrans Plaant where they were trying to find out how to keep the now unsupported "wings" on the heads - where they met the block - from rising up and you could stick a butterknive between the head and the block.
> Remember the strange coolant leaks that LOOKED like the oil/heat exchanger was leaking but it turned out to be the head surface not staying flat?
> FelPro came up with a new-designed head gasket with a "device" - (not my terminology - but Ford's) - that had a bellows in that to compensate for the badly weakened area where the crossover coolant flowed, to keep it from leaking when it cooled down and opened up.
> The FekPro gaskets worked very well - I know --- I installed dozens if not a few hundred of them.
> Ford however, refused to put another $3.00 each into those much better gaskets, staying with the cheaper Detroit or Victor gaskets - and the problem was there until the 6.9L was phased out for the 7.3L.
Yeah --- Ford had a great engine .... not! Then they created the 7.3 from the original 6.9 by taking out MORE cast iron and somehow it worked.
Sounds like some of the blame pointed at IH by the automobile press really should have been pointed at Ford ! @@SurferJoe46
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Have been looking forward to the chapter on Cadillac. I think you transposed some digits on the 1949 OHV 331 V8. Bore was 3.8125 inches... It was an oversquare design.
Although not widely publicized in brochures, the torque rating was ~288 lb.ft. SAE Gross at ~1800 rpm. The 429 cu.in. engine debutted concurrently with the new generation Turbo Hydra-matic transmission, aka THM400. MY 1964 cars produced with the earlier 390 cu.in. engine also used the earlier fluid coupling Hydra-matic transmission in its last year of production.
You are correct
I love your content. Can you turn your intro music down just a bit?
Wondering wud it make a good towing or pulling truck engine? And bolt up to a 400 turbo Chevy 🤔
This is an amazing series! Can you do one on LS engines and the vehicles they're found in?
it's on the list
on the list
I don't know how, but my grandmother drove her 1982 Cadillac Sedan Deville for 11 years. I absolutely loved it because the interior had so many gizmos. It had even more gizmos than my mom's 1985 Nissan Maxima. Also, I am grateful it didn't have one gizmo, a robot voice.
24:17 Looks like they also replaced the TBI system with multi port injection. Maybe that was the Allante 4.1 only?
What motor is in the presidents limo THE BEAST?
The Aurora v8 was used in the Shelby series 1 and had a supercharged version.
my Dad had a 1972 Coupe de Ville with the 472 engine. that was hands down in the top 3 cars he ever owned. everything worked, all the time, with one exception. It would break the nose of the starter motor off around every 8-10k miles. after it happened the third time, we did a compression check. we were flabbergasted. it blew apart a 300 psi compression gauge! we took the head off, thinking there would be a lot of carbon build up, or a mis-casted head. but everything was normal. we even measured how far up the cylinder the piston traveled. thinking maybe a rod was stretched, or a piston mis-machined. nope, again, everything was normal. the only thing we could come up with was that that cylinder had perfect piston ring seal. we were not about to pull the bottom end apart. so Dad got a very small very fine triangle shaped file, and we filed a tiny groove from about an inch down from the top of the cylinder down to the top of the piston. we cleaned everything up, replaced the gaskets, and assembled the engine. that cylinder still had 40 more psi than any other cylinders. but it cured the starter breaking problem. and it never burned any appreciable amount of oil. it lasted dad another 4 or 5 years. until he wanted a newer car. it was a great car.
Any estimates or data as to torque on early small bore long stroke flatheads?
I will guess like 300 lb-ft at idle. lol
1958 - 1962 Had a 390 cid version of the earlier 365. Bore 4" and stroke 3.875. It had 325 hp and 430 tq with a four barrel, and 345 hp and 435 tq with 3 x 2 barrel
I worked on many of these engine up to 1986.
I once worked on a 41 flat head.
The 472-500 were my favoites ,biggest issue was weak and broken valve springs. If you did a 3 angle valve job ,and 2 angles on the valves it really woke them up. I always put new springs in too.
The ht4100 was a piece of crap. No gaskets, almost everything was silicone...and they leaked real badif you mixed and matched flat top piston short bloke with a 70 head with small chambers that would make some power with high er compression. The 425 had a aluminum intake...and it always leaked at number#7 & give it a rough idle. They finally stapled a paper gasket to the metal "turkey pan" and that sloved it. I think the blocks were machined wrong or the manifold. Or maybe they warpped due to all the weight (metal) they removed from the blocks and head. We were told the rotating assembly was from the olds 425...???
Thats Interesting I have never heard the rotating assembly was Olds but That does not mean it wasn't I'm curious now I'm gona look into that
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There used to be a lot of 472s and 500s on air boats in the Everglades.
I just watched your flat tappet video. Im in process of overhauling a a 4l jeep when i found out the cam and lifter problems. Can you recommend a roller set up for it. I was just going with an rv cam as its a driver. thanks. no other way to contact you.
505performance.com/shop/ols/products/jeep-40-stage-1-roller-cam-plus-lifters
How do you get such few horsepower out of so many cubic inches?
That’s weird my parents owned a 1959 Coupe De Ville 2 door hard top that had a 390 overhead valve engine I remember changing the fuel pump on it when I was 16 in 1966. They had bought the car used in 1963 or 1964. Dad and two of his co workers ran a AA/F dragster in 1964 at Santa Maria, CA.
Good info!
Observations. Not unique to Cadillac is GM's tendencies to introduce half baked designs. I wonder if, without proof, Corporate production pressure led the divisions to put out designs before working out the bugs?
Direct experience: 472/500s used a high nickel/ high tin alloy that enhanced thermal performance & reduced bore wear. It is not uncommon to source a u-pull-it with little or no bore wear.
In fact it was used in high stress small block Chevys & big block GM performance engines. On the ...010 Chevy blocks, if one looks behind the cam sprocket, there may be two 3 digit numbers cast there. 10 for hi tin & 30 for high nickel. I tore down one that had
I always remember the Northstar has the starter in the lifter valley!
I would love to see an IH engine video .....
For it's intended use as a truck engine even tho the TBI and heads had terrible potential for a high performance application the TBI 5.7 Chevy engine was a great truck engine big improvement compared to GMs old smog headed Qjet 350, the 350 the tbi 5.7 felt pretty lively. That swirl port head made great TQ, but that hugely obstructive swirl ramp was making any high rpm HP impossible but surprisingly they will still pull smoothly out to 5000rpm or so how I have no idea. I had a 2wd regular cab Silverado with a TBI 350 and it had a mild c.a.r.b. approved crane compucam it had 210/216 during @0.50 and .440/.454 lift 112° lsa a cat delete dual exhaust and 3.73 it ran strong even with the 3.42 gear it came with. With those few mods it had a bit more TQ and midrange power, it wasn't fast per se but I ran strong and would do respectable posi burnouts lol.
True! Hot Rod magazine tech editor ,Steve Mangante did built a budget 11 second car that was all motor! Of course it was just an oversized engine in an undersize car!
I loved my dad's 69 Coupe de Ville.
I had a 92 sedan DeVille with the 300 cady motor it got like 25 mpg. It wasnt fast but it moved.
I remember 5.0 being under the hood of some 80's Caddys.
That was an Oldsmobile only engine used into the large RWD Deville/Fleetwood models.
I know England and Europe made some nice small V8's but please don't forget about GM's Australian arm, Holden, had a few top V8's. Kind of a SBC cross 400 Buick, that found there way into many drag and burnout cars. I race one myself, see my page.
Thats very interesting I will look into that
@@Myvintageiron7512 you'll find a good rundown on wikipedia under Holden V8 engine
The 429 in my old ‘67 Calais was a beast. The problem with that engine was the oil pump design, which led to its sad downfall.
Did the later HT engines get some kind of girdle that the head bolt threads or studs anchored into? Strange that Cadillac would make the same mistake again with the NorthStar (weak head bolt threads and/or undersized head bolts/studs that stretched,pulled or otherwise allowed the cylinder heads to "lift"
Diesel engine makers such as Cummins solved a lot of these problems with cylinder head lift and head gasket sealing many years ago ?
The round "pills" that were supplied by GM dealers for use in the coolant of HT engines? Did they help? Some sort of stopleak?
I understood you to say about 8 minutes into your presentation that Cadillac brought out the 390 V8 in 1963. Motor's repair manual shows this 390 V8 used for a 5 year span, 59 thru 63. Could Motor's be mistaken? In the late 70s and early 80s I owned & drove regularly a 70 Cad Couple DeVille w/ that 472 V8. I found it went thru starter motors one right after the other. Also the sloppy idle I later determined was due to a drain plug installed in the torque converter, thru it out of balance. The 390 V8 had fuel pump in front, not on the side.
I owned both a 1959 Cadillac (SdV) and a 1963 Cadillac (CdV) and they had both the first and the last 390CI run for engines, IIFR.
BTW ---> the 1959 could run circles around the 1963.
>> I don't understand how you arrived at the unbalancing of the convertor from a drain plug or how it could happen. The balancing is done after the drain plug was installed during manufacture --- anything other then that would not be in general balance-engineering because the guys with slide-rules would NOT let that happen.
>> But then again ... since I owned a transmission shop and worked at a few more --- I never saw a drain plug installed in anything GM offered --- unless some driveway wrench decided to put one in himself.
>> Still though ---> drilling out some metal (for a hole) in the convertor --- and putting some metal back in (the plug) --- wouldn't go very far into an unbalanced situation anyway.
59 to 63 is correct the 1963 version was a revised addition of the engine that was 52 Lbs lighter and uses different crankshaft and connecting rods, as well as being narrower and shorter
The gold engine looks like an early DRE (Detroit Racing Engines) reworked engine.
I had a friend that worked at a junkyard for a while, and she said they sold more cadillac North Star engines than any part they had!
Do you sell 350
motors
The 390 came out before 1963, i think it was out in 58 or 59.
Back in high school I had a 51 shoebox Ford with a OHV Cadillac V8, I thought I was hot stuff.
you were
What happened to the 351m build from 7 yrs ago?
Customer backed out
Early WW2 Australia was desperate for armour. A tank called AC1 Sentinel was put into production powered by 3 Cadillac V8 engines.
You should have had noted about Cadillac engines that were marinized. The earliest were 331 then 354 and finally the 390 all converted by the company that became Crusader Marine. Originally DRE. Detroit Racing Engines, then Cal Connel Cadillac then Cadillac Crusader as and finally Crusader Marine. .the last year for Cadillac in (Crusader Marine) was 1963. Crusader went to Chevy blocks after that.
354 was chrysler the 365 was the mid cid cadillac engine started in 56
My bad. It was 331. I knew it was a match to a hemi. The hemi was also marinized. Both the 331 & 354. And maybe 392. (I haven't seen one of those). Cadillac were marinized 331, 365, and 390. Ranging from 230, 240, 250, 275, 275, 285,300, and 325. Depending on the year, carburetor , cid, and compression. There were two different 325 hp. one was the 365, one was the 390. The 365 was considered a racing engine. The earliest ones came out in 1953 ish. Basically custom built by DRE. There were between 30 & 36 of those. # 1200 thru 1230 & 1236. Cal Connell Cadillac name change started between 1231 and 1236. We believe the first DRE Marine engine was #1200. DRE, Cal Connell Cadillac & Crusader Marine built a 1000 + between 1953 & 1963. Working on figuring out exactly how many were built from boat manufacturers records. Crusader has no records from 1963 and earlier.
@tmiklos4 yes the popular hemi's were the 331,354,392 and some baby hemi's around 270 cid from trucks I believe. The 365 definitely was a popular swap as the 56 Eldorado had the dual quad intake all cool engines. I have a 56 4 dr hdtp sedan deville with the 365. I also picked up a pair of 354's that I'd like to use up in something. Have a good one 🤙
We ( my brothers and me) have several marine Cadillac engines. And several Chryslers .. as far as what engine can be run at WOT . Chryslers can be run WOT almost endlessly. Not so much with the Cadillac . Finding a boat with a good original engine today is about 80 times easier with a Chrysler. They are bulletproof. Cadillac engines tended to fail due to oil returns. This problem can be fixed in a rebuilt. Oil returns are enlarged. Also a higher volume oil pump helps. We have run 365 and 390 Cadillac. 354 hemis 413 and 440 Chryslers. Both dual 4 bbl and single , on both Cadillac and Chrysler. We have Also run big fords fe 352 390, 427. Also big block Chevy, 427 454. My favorite of all of these is the 413 Chrysler. I know im rambling.
The 1949 Cad ohv engine was the premier engine of the time.
It would move the hesvy Cadillac up beyond 110 mph. FAST FOR THE TIME.
A common conversion was to transplant these engines into 1953 1954and 1955 light weight Studabaker voupes.
These made very fast street rods.
Had a buddy in high school in 1963-4 who was a Studebaker/Cadillac nut! He had a Golden Commando and a Silver Hawk with Cads in them ... I think he mentioned the name; "Kettering" all the time and how the Studes were designed to accept the Cad engines since Kettering worked for both companies. He called his hybrids: "Studellacs".
Restored, swapped engines, trans, several older Caddys.
Heads cracked web between cyl, exhaust, intake valve. Leaked coolant into combustion if severe.
Experience.. Studebakers, Hawks above 100 mph were barely controllable, felt like a basket of parts through the twisties on old two lanes, to say nothing for brakes.. ;/
The four seventy and the five hundred five hundred was actually five hundred and ten cubic in the El dorado where's the best Snow machine ever made.
That Front wheel drive was totally awesome
My 1995 Fleetwood has the LT1
I had a Fleetwood with a 4.9 and it that had 375000 miles and still purred like a kitten.
International would be interesting! Ok I have a question about Cadillac blocks such as the 472 & 500. I've heard some refer to them as weak, or just being puuny. Like main caps, skinny & light. But then others have said they used a special recipie for the metal the cast their blocks with, so they might look light but are actually very strong & durable? Is there any truth in any of this stuff???
Yes, they were high nickel blocks and quite strong. The rods were relatively weak, and the oiling system was not meant for high RPM service. These things are easily corrected when hotrodding them, though.
IHC is on my list
13:40 It must be remembered that some (but not all) of the reduction in advertised horsepower ratings was due to the difference between the SAE gross ratings advertised prior to 1972 and the SAE net ratings advertised in later years.
really good content there were a few mistakes but hey I couldn't do any better
I'd like to hear about the older car company's engines. I know some of them used other manufactures engines, im just not sure who used what
>>> Continental produced a LOT of engines for various automobile and tractor engines at the same time back from mebbe the 1920s to the mid-1950s.
>>> I believe that Kettering/Cadillac also produced a few Kettering/Studebaker engines - but maybe you've just noticed that a Ford engine (f'rinstance) was in a Mercury and as well as Fords --- and GM - who got their corporate butts handed to them for doing the same thing but not changing a decal, was using their GM/ Chevy/ Olds/ Buick/ Pontiac engines kinda indiscriminately in their whole lineup for a while.
>>> Ford used the term: "Ford Powered" and avoided the lawsuits and GM just let the individual badges stay with their different engine, no matter where they wound up.
>>> It wasn't uncommon to find an Oldsmobile engine in a Chev or vice-versa. Hence the lawsuits from Nancy-car owners.
in 30yrs of automotive sales/wrenching i have only ever changed 1 starter on a northstar
Bring on the GMC specific engines
HP numbers really came down in early '70s because they changed from gross HP at the crank to net HP at the wheels. In addition to the smog controls. Hp didn't come back until there were computers fast enough to control the engines.