Before Wargamming ruined this game with the CV relaunch I used to play every day. I used to laugh at people who would sleep on the Atlanta's AP. I can't count how many heavy cruisers that would come around an island at very close range thinking they had nothing to fear. Two salvos of AP and 13 citadels later they had realized mistakes had been made.
@@Subha95 light cruisers are the ones that are annoying and camp islands, they always have excellent AA, no cv with any bit of skill will go for them unless everyone else is dead
@@antoniohagopian213 true but they are noit that hard to counter, cause every ship can do damage to them. i find HE spamming heavies are more annoying cause they bounce shells and also has good firerate
Definitely gonna get this ship in the old fashion way, just like currently what I'm doing with all those new tech tree ships. Thank you for the heads up as always
Layered armor in WoWS is such a liability. if the outer-belt can't bounce or shatter shells you might as well not have it. Belt plus torp bulges are the only exception cause you don't take hp damage from bulge pens. Anything that gets past the belt will do damage. Literally the best ships in game tend to be those that have all or most of their armor on the outside belt
Purely stat-wise, she seems to be very similar to Drake. Similar guns size, very similar DPM, health, range, very close in maneuverability, speed and concealment. Main differenes would be strong(-ish) AP vs very strong HE, fast heal vs. super heal, air strike vs torpedoes. Drake of course is way more accurate, but has slower shells. de Witt burns as well. I don't have de Witt and I can imagine their playstyle might be different, but I still found the similarities curious.
Definitely works well, used them for that most of the times. Its not worth it to flush out a DD though. Yes!, they will move. But if its a decent DD you wont spot the move anyways. A great too to pretty much flush out any other ship though. Also good to prevent pushes into smokes.
Although I like the new Dutch Ship, and I am looking forward in seeing videos of the future Dutch Cruisers. I am really hating the new Captain Skills and the rework. But there are some... Reasonably good skills so I feel like if Wargaming is ever going to revert the original Skills, they should keep at least a few skills from the rework.
Just out of curiosity: wasn't Johan de Witt a political leader who was forcefully taken down from his position, murdered, mutilated and somewhat eaten? He didn't come up to me as a Dutch hero or anything, so I wonder why the dutch named a ship after him. They could have named it with something more dutch-like... Like, Tulip or Stroopwafel. Imagine getting blapped by a tier IX cruiser called the Stroopwafel, that's peak (dutch) gameplay
It does keep in line with the general naming of ships being provinces, cities and famous historical figures. Afaik the dutch navy also didn't have a strict convention of only cruisers having a certain name origin or something like the americans and british. as a side note, submarines after 1940 had marine life names, such as (translated) swordfish, dolphin, tiger shark.
@The Exiled 1 a painting pictures the event, and Spinoza himself wanted to lay something in the square where they were killed that said _killed by barbarians_ . A friend of his locked the door of the house to prevent this, fearing that the philosopher might get killed by the mob.
Angry mobs still don't represent national mentality. And it was an emotional (and most likely politically orchestrated) response to the Disaster year 1672 where a considerable part of Europe (France, England, Münster and Cologne) conspired to destroy the relative new Dutch Republic. Johan de Witt is still very much regarded as an important and admirable statesman, and recognized as such as victim of unreasonable anger. The sheer unreasonable brutality of the de Witt's dead makes it a prominent topic in Dutch art, making them almost martyrs. Rivalry between Orangist and Republican support have always been a dividing issue in Dutch politics pre Napoleonic age, because essentially, while being a very prominent and active family within the Dutch Revolt, they where essentially in service of the Dutch republic themselves. It's a clash between the newly developing bourgeoisie, intellectuals and conservatism between the newly developing economic centers of Holland and the rest of the Dutch republic that was still heavily influenced by the original Habsburg and catholic feudalistic systems. It only really got settled after the Napoleonic Wars when the Netherlands proclaimed itself a (Constitutional) Monarchy and invited the Orange-Nassau on the throne.
I am kind of disappointed in the Dutch cruisers.. The airstrike mechanic is such a great way to implement the "hybrid" BB and CLs that IJN has like Ise and Tone. Instead, they turned those into half CVs. As is now, they have turned the new mechanic into such a non-historical gimmick for a mostly fictional tech tree.
I spent $40 trying to get this ship, trying to be first in the special olympics. Im such an idiot at times 🤦♂️. Although i can say is that im not Robinson Crusoe during these events, that's not mitigation for my minor gambling addiction.
Be glad its only 40 ^^ Some spent the fulll amount. I also spent a lot...but since I actualy really wanted a large stock of the camos etc it was....hmm..I dont want to say worth it... It was less of a waste of money as it might seem. But still a waste of my money. But hey, thats what money is for.
@@Gyphon I was unclear: I meant the flags. As I see it, they are going to dumb down the game mechanics to the point that you will pay 100,000 doubloons for an expendable camouflage called “I win”, which causes all enemy ships to spontaneously combust 10 seconds after the battle starts with all damage and XP awarded to you. I have been playing this game since open beta and I am at the point that is a chore to play anymore. The last straw was the removal of team damage. I am waiting for the triumphant return of the Kitakami with WG offering a 100,000 doubloon admiral pack to join the (seal) club.
I really don't like the airstrike mechanic. In my opinion, it is a stupid way to "fix" island hugging BBs. The problem with that is: The reason BBs are island "camping" is that their survivability is a f***ing joke. Those stupid fires do so much damage and CVs constantly force you to either eat a bunch of damage or give broadside to the enemy team if you are out in the open. Instead of improving BB survivability they now implement a new, kind of braindead, mechanic that comes with its one set of new problems: What if you have either 3 of those airstrike spammers or 2 plus a CV in a division and you actually time your drops? One of you forces a damage con and the others farm him afterwards. There is no counterplay to that but to not be on this flank. The only thing WG achieves with this mechanic is that even brawling BBs will camp several kilometers further back now because they will get blapped the second they are spotted. Also: I think all the gimmicks result in an unfair advantage. Whether it's being able to see the current speed when switching to your torps (even when they are way out of range) or getting that bird's eye view with the airstrike: It's basically a passive buff to your ship giving you information you cannot get if your ship isn't equipped with that gimmick... They should make those things permanent and available to everyone since none of those buffs are rooted in realism anyway: Having torps doesn't magically predict the enemies path for you. And the airstrike airplanes (which have to be ground-based planes if you think about it which makes the whole thing even more ridiculously stupid) cannot help you look over an island if you don't actually call them in for a strike. So just screw realism and make the game actually balanced. Half of these ships are completely invented anyways. And several of them would probably sink the second the weather gets even remotely rough...
@@Meonium Cruisers and BBs have very different tasks in a game of WoWs. Generally speaking, a BB has to attract fire and absorb damage to allow cruisers to survive longer and do more damage. Cruisers are the main damage dealer in WoWs but should be less tanky (looking at you, Petro).
Good game for sure. But honestly this video is not telling me anything. You are top tier in a unicum division and almost get beaten . all the weakness of the ship are "hidden" by your superiority as a tier IX vs Tier VII. Division also can mitigate weakness. I would rather prefer to see a solo game in a tier IX game. That would be more of a "test" for the ship strengh.
The Dutch navy does have a LPD named Johan de Witt at the moment, a name specifically picked because of the influence Johan de Witt had on the formation of the Dutch Marines, the Raid on Chatham and promoting Dutch naval power during the 17th century.
Before Wargamming ruined this game with the CV relaunch I used to play every day. I used to laugh at people who would sleep on the Atlanta's AP. I can't count how many heavy cruisers that would come around an island at very close range thinking they had nothing to fear. Two salvos of AP and 13 citadels later they had realized mistakes had been made.
THE PENGUIN IS BACK
Heyyy!
Finally something that hard counters island camping.
Edit: the turtleback only works for cruisers, just like the italian bbs.
Cvs already does that
@@Subha95 light cruisers are the ones that are annoying and camp islands, they always have excellent AA, no cv with any bit of skill will go for them unless everyone else is dead
@@antoniohagopian213 true but they are noit that hard to counter, cause every ship can do damage to them. i find HE spamming heavies are more annoying cause they bounce shells and also has good firerate
@@Subha95 you need to actually be able to shoot them. Since they hug islands you can't and that's why they are disgusting.
@@antoniohagopian213 thats true but i still think they are not op, its the HE which is broken
Definitely gonna get this ship in the old fashion way, just like currently what I'm doing with all those new tech tree ships. Thank you for the heads up as always
Layered armor in WoWS is such a liability. if the outer-belt can't bounce or shatter shells you might as well not have it. Belt plus torp bulges are the only exception cause you don't take hp damage from bulge pens. Anything that gets past the belt will do damage. Literally the best ships in game tend to be those that have all or most of their armor on the outside belt
Very last bundle for the ship... same dude, high five!
Purely stat-wise, she seems to be very similar to Drake. Similar guns size, very similar DPM, health, range, very close in maneuverability, speed and concealment. Main differenes would be strong(-ish) AP vs very strong HE, fast heal vs. super heal, air strike vs torpedoes. Drake of course is way more accurate, but has slower shells. de Witt burns as well. I don't have de Witt and I can imagine their playstyle might be different, but I still found the similarities curious.
Would be interesting to see the bombers used as a counter to a ship parked in a smoke screen.
Definitely works well, used them for that most of the times.
Its not worth it to flush out a DD though. Yes!, they will move. But if its a decent DD you wont spot the move anyways.
A great too to pretty much flush out any other ship though. Also good to prevent pushes into smokes.
Although I like the new Dutch Ship, and I am looking forward in seeing videos of the future Dutch Cruisers. I am really hating the new Captain Skills and the rework. But there are some... Reasonably good skills so I feel like if Wargaming is ever going to revert the original Skills, they should keep at least a few skills from the rework.
Glad you are back, but your audio is really low (your voice has gotten deeper too, which doesn't help).
Thanks for the informative video and welcome back! I've never seen Three Krakens in one game... have you?
Wasn't Johann De Witt the dutch prime minister that they actually ate?
Not quite, but close. Sadly.
Love how every new cruiser seems to have better bow armour than a lot of existing battleships 🙄
Just out of curiosity: wasn't Johan de Witt a political leader who was forcefully taken down from his position, murdered, mutilated and somewhat eaten? He didn't come up to me as a Dutch hero or anything, so I wonder why the dutch named a ship after him. They could have named it with something more dutch-like... Like, Tulip or Stroopwafel.
Imagine getting blapped by a tier IX cruiser called the Stroopwafel, that's peak (dutch) gameplay
Yeah, a bit of an odd naming choice...but WG picks the names...yeah...
It does keep in line with the general naming of ships being provinces, cities and famous historical figures. Afaik the dutch navy also didn't have a strict convention of only cruisers having a certain name origin or something like the americans and british.
as a side note, submarines after 1940 had marine life names, such as (translated) swordfish, dolphin, tiger shark.
@The Exiled 1 a painting pictures the event, and Spinoza himself wanted to lay something in the square where they were killed that said _killed by barbarians_ . A friend of his locked the door of the house to prevent this, fearing that the philosopher might get killed by the mob.
Angry mobs still don't represent national mentality. And it was an emotional (and most likely politically orchestrated) response to the Disaster year 1672 where a considerable part of Europe (France, England, Münster and Cologne) conspired to destroy the relative new Dutch Republic. Johan de Witt is still very much regarded as an important and admirable statesman, and recognized as such as victim of unreasonable anger. The sheer unreasonable brutality of the de Witt's dead makes it a prominent topic in Dutch art, making them almost martyrs.
Rivalry between Orangist and Republican support have always been a dividing issue in Dutch politics pre Napoleonic age, because essentially, while being a very prominent and active family within the Dutch Revolt, they where essentially in service of the Dutch republic themselves. It's a clash between the newly developing bourgeoisie, intellectuals and conservatism between the newly developing economic centers of Holland and the rest of the Dutch republic that was still heavily influenced by the original Habsburg and catholic feudalistic systems. It only really got settled after the Napoleonic Wars when the Netherlands proclaimed itself a (Constitutional) Monarchy and invited the Orange-Nassau on the throne.
I am kind of disappointed in the Dutch cruisers.. The airstrike mechanic is such a great way to implement the "hybrid" BB and CLs that IJN has like Ise and Tone. Instead, they turned those into half CVs. As is now, they have turned the new mechanic into such a non-historical gimmick for a mostly fictional tech tree.
I spent $40 trying to get this ship, trying to be first in the special olympics. Im such an idiot at times 🤦♂️. Although i can say is that im not Robinson Crusoe during these events, that's not mitigation for my minor gambling addiction.
:( don't spend any more, wait till the line releases
Thanks for doing your part for paying this game and made it free
Be glad its only 40 ^^
Some spent the fulll amount. I also spent a lot...but since I actualy really wanted a large stock of the camos etc it was....hmm..I dont want to say worth it...
It was less of a waste of money as it might seem. But still a waste of my money.
But hey, thats what money is for.
This is how the INJ CV/BB work
Lovely, being first. Also, WG do be pretty disconnected tbh.
Yeah, definitely feels that way
That was a good game 👍
Finally I can ship on Russian BB with cruiser without much risk
Welcome back ichase
Thanks! :D
Harsh beat down between you two..lol BZ I hate that they got rid of awards, No reason to try.
Yeah, taking away rewards for achievements was a really bad choice
@@ichasegaming Probably planned to be this way all along. They were just waiting for the right time to implement it.
It just means that you will have to spend doubloons for flags. Until they get rid of those…
@@detritus23 That's the whole problem and that isn't going to happen
@@Gyphon I was unclear: I meant the flags. As I see it, they are going to dumb down the game mechanics to the point that you will pay 100,000 doubloons for an expendable camouflage called “I win”, which causes all enemy ships to spontaneously combust 10 seconds after the battle starts with all damage and XP awarded to you.
I have been playing this game since open beta and I am at the point that is a chore to play anymore. The last straw was the removal of team damage. I am waiting for the triumphant return of the Kitakami with WG offering a 100,000 doubloon admiral pack to join the (seal) club.
I really don't like the airstrike mechanic. In my opinion, it is a stupid way to "fix" island hugging BBs.
The problem with that is: The reason BBs are island "camping" is that their survivability is a f***ing joke. Those stupid fires do so much damage and CVs constantly force you to either eat a bunch of damage or give broadside to the enemy team if you are out in the open. Instead of improving BB survivability they now implement a new, kind of braindead, mechanic that comes with its one set of new problems: What if you have either 3 of those airstrike spammers or 2 plus a CV in a division and you actually time your drops? One of you forces a damage con and the others farm him afterwards. There is no counterplay to that but to not be on this flank. The only thing WG achieves with this mechanic is that even brawling BBs will camp several kilometers further back now because they will get blapped the second they are spotted.
Also: I think all the gimmicks result in an unfair advantage. Whether it's being able to see the current speed when switching to your torps (even when they are way out of range) or getting that bird's eye view with the airstrike: It's basically a passive buff to your ship giving you information you cannot get if your ship isn't equipped with that gimmick...
They should make those things permanent and available to everyone since none of those buffs are rooted in realism anyway: Having torps doesn't magically predict the enemies path for you. And the airstrike airplanes (which have to be ground-based planes if you think about it which makes the whole thing even more ridiculously stupid) cannot help you look over an island if you don't actually call them in for a strike.
So just screw realism and make the game actually balanced. Half of these ships are completely invented anyways. And several of them would probably sink the second the weather gets even remotely rough...
If BB have bad survivability, what about cruisers?
@@Meonium Cruisers and BBs have very different tasks in a game of WoWs. Generally speaking, a BB has to attract fire and absorb damage to allow cruisers to survive longer and do more damage. Cruisers are the main damage dealer in WoWs but should be less tanky (looking at you, Petro).
@18:41 you said the Atlanta should go with AP? Against your armor those 5''/38's would have very little chance at shit!!!
superstructure and upper belt is both easily penned at that range by the Atlanta, he would have eaten my HP faster.
Good game for sure. But honestly this video is not telling me anything. You are top tier in a unicum division and almost get beaten . all the weakness of the ship are "hidden" by your superiority as a tier IX vs Tier VII. Division also can mitigate weakness. I would rather prefer to see a solo game in a tier IX game. That would be more of a "test" for the ship strengh.
Faint praise indeed. I wonder if WG looked into the name they were going to give this ship?
The Dutch navy does have a LPD named Johan de Witt at the moment, a name specifically picked because of the influence Johan de Witt had on the formation of the Dutch Marines, the Raid on Chatham and promoting Dutch naval power during the 17th century.
What happened to your channel? 90k subs and 10k max views per video. I still watch your videos, they're good 😞
Many things happened, sadly. Needlessly happenings.
@@Oyamada13 like what? I didn't follow wows the Last 2 Years
@@alessiobubbles5345 Not going to go into it but I can say two words... Community drama... *sigh*
@@Oyamada13 like the Zeppelin thing?
Look up who Johan Witt was en what happend to him and his brother. Warning: not for people with a weak stomach..
Actualy the whole british-durch-french war history that was going on for many years during his times is very interesting.
love CCs "Dont but the loot boxes!"
but i can cos i get free dubs
Ship is very bad. Weak guns, weak armor belt, burns for ages.
Yeeey more planes and more stupid gimmicks. No point returning to the game then.
You're talking quicker than usual. Did you OD on caffeine?
LOL... imagine making a whole new WG account just to pad your WR stomping noobs in low tiers.
What?