Could you do an explanation of the timeline you set forth, combining the Age of Heaven and Age of Sea Circle, because I have never thought of it like that. That is an amazing catch
Yes, very good suggestion! That's a topic I have a longer explanation for in the full length version of this big Void Century theory, but I can also make a dedicated video to just that one topic.
@@StrawHatJedi Is there a TL;DR for what you think caused the fall of the Lunarians? Is it the rule of the ancient kingdom, the creation of the Grand Line, or the Sky races leaving the moon?
@@TheHardRocker2121 Exactly what caused their downfall is harder to predict than the timing. We now their 'land of gods' atop the Red Wall was 'long before Marijoa', so I think this rules out their being conquered during the Void Century. After all, Queen said their fate is recorded in the pages of history - which excludes the hundred years when history is not recorded. The Age of the Sea Circle began 1500 years ago (600 years before the Grand Line), so I would say that's most likely when the Grand Line came into being. 1500 Years Ago: Transition from Tenreki to Kaienreki; Grand Line created 900 Years Ago: JoyBoy's era began 800 Years Ago: Reign of the WG began There's some interesting symbolism with the Lunarians, which bear the appearance of fallen angels. Oda's already using some terminology from the book of Genesis story of Eden with the Adam & Eve trees and the Devil Fruit. Eve grows in the same location as Marijoa / the Lunarians' 'land of gods' and they seem to resemble the Angels with flaming swords charged with protecting the trees of knowledge / life after the fall of Adam & Eve. The origin of the Devil Fruit is a mystery, but those who eat them are 'cursed by the sea', which suggests that whatever power created the sea circle is antithetical in some way. But in the story of Eden, the trees of knowledge & life weren't created by the devil, but by God. The devil has no creative power, only the power to tempt. Adam & Eve's sin was in eating the fruit they weren't supposed to, but the fruit itself wasn't evil. I think all of this lends to the idea that the 'Devil Fruit' were not created by the OP world equivalent of the Devil, but perhaps have divine origin - and the great crime was in stealing these powers. If the Lunarians were indeed 'protectors' of sorts (angels with flaming swords), then their downfall would either be - they were conquered by those who wanted to steal the Devil Fruit OR they surrendered their position to claim divinity for themselves. The devil is supposed to be a fallen angel, fitting with the imagery of the Lunarians - and given King's statement about belonging to a superior race, we can assume that he indeed has a god complex of sorts. At this point, I lean toward the Lunarians being somehow responsible for surrendering the Devil Fruit or causing their dispersal by falling from position of divine protectors to try to attain divinity for themselves. The other interesting detail is that Alber knew the name 'JoyBoy' without having read the Poneglyphs (he told Kaido about JoyBoy) - the only character thus far to do so. This could suggest that during JoyBoy's era, he was formed some type of alliance with the remaining Lunarians - who now await JoyBoy's return.
I guess that's not exactly a 'TL;DR' lol... shorter version: Angels with flaming swords charged with protecting the 'center of the world' who fell from grace, probably seeking power / divinity for themselves. The timeline could indicate this happened around the time the Grand Line was created - 1500 years ago (600 years before JoyBoy's era).
@@StrawHatJedi Appreciate the response, I think I can get behind that reasoning. I do have some thoughts. It would make sense that JB would make an alliance with the Lunarians, since the WG wants to eradicate them. This would definitely imply that they were a crucial part of the VC. However, I still cannot understand WHY JoyBoy would need to form an alliance in the first place. I have always been stuck on figuring out how the Ancient Kingdom lost during the Void Century. They were enormous, had technology well more advanced than the time including a unlimited power source and Mechs, and were allied with some of the most dominant countries on the planet in Wano, Elbaf, supposedly Shandia, and Zou. They also had control of at least 2/3 ancient weapons. With that context, it is hard to see 20 kingdoms being able to take them on and win, as in my opinion, they power difference between AK and the 20 Kingdoms was way greater than that of Luffy's alliances and the WG. Thoughts?
I wonder if they'll go directly to Elbaf. The Straw Hats tend to get sidetracked whenever we're told their taget destination in advance (Little Garden & Drum between Whiskey Peak & Alabasta; Thriller Bark, Sabaody, Amazon Lily, Impel Down, Marineford, & the 2 Year Time Skip between Water Seven and Fishman Island). In this case, the log is locked on, so they will probably go there directly, but I still wonder if there might be someplace they end up stopping in between.
Like your perspective n i didnt know the calendars of the whole world timeline had so much importance, thank you showing the timelines. Tbh, it was frustrating to keep track till the end of the video, there was no gap in between n u spoke endlessly continuously. Appreciate your effort though. Also i feel like there maybe 2 options how the D came to be, it either couldve been the name of Joyboy's pirate crew or it couldve been an initial of a word that carried their determination to pass it down until someone with the will to bring the dawn will be born. I feel like Joyboy and his allies at the time decided to name their whole group with a word, so that their goals always stay intact whatever the outcome of war n their motive to bring the dawn is followed till its eventually brought n their enemies are taken down.
Can't people have many favourite stories more than one for them? Both are Great Fictions. The recent Egghead Arc literally giving Star Wars Vibes References a lot.
I like that idea! Seems like a good possibility. Another possibility I imagined for Nakowa is that - maybe there's a place even Roger and JoyBoy never managed to find - a legend much older than even the One Piece. After all is said and done, the war is settled, New Dawn arrives, the Straw Hat's dreams accomplished - they sail off toward the horizon on their next grand adventure, searching for Nakrowa.
BB, Kaido, WB, Roger, Ace, and so on. All are types of Joyboy. But the reality is the Nika fruit. Lets look at this fruit and see how truly special it really it. We can assume that Aces mom most likely was the last known fruit user before luffy of this fruit. The reason. The birth thing she did. Remember what does this fruit do when not awakened. Makes the body rubber like. Not rubber, but rubber like qualities. Meaning that she can not only expand her womb for the size of the baby, but she can contrast and release muscles as needed to hold the baby in for longer. The nika fruit only accepts people that are a certain type of freedom. BB and the others types of freedom does not line up with the will of the nika fruit. So they are basically fake Joyboy's.
I would like to make a statement here. You know how Japanese people can't pronounce the Letter L. Instead they use R. Now think of the name gol d. Roger. Replace L with R and you get gor d. Roger. Gor in Norse mythology is in essence named god killer.
Luffy = Joyboy = Roger. -Luffy born first. -Somehow strawhats go to past and Luffy is named Joyboy by the ancients. -Then he is sent to the future again but without his fruit, crew and scars and assumes the name of Roger. - He's still has -20 years lifetime because of Yvankov's powers used in Impel Down and marineford. That's the cause of his death.
As far as history is concerned there was never a Pirate King before Roger... however, the historical record is incomplete. It's interesting that the world's papers seem to have invented both the title 'Pirate King' and the name of the treasure, 'One Piece'. We know the latter is likely somehow significant - but how did the journalist who coined those terms know to use them? What secrets are you hiding Big News Morgans!?
If you watched the video you’ll see that history was essentially wiped and that if joyboy was the pirate king, we wouldn’t know. Nice reading comprehension dumbass
Roger laughs, because, after ALL THAT, he was there at the wrong time. And then he dies. Gold D. Roger is every unlucky person, who was a one piece fan and never really got there
It's just a title - and the first time I've tried this type of nomenclature. If you look at my other videos, you'll see they're all pretty descriptive. UA-cam is driven by an algorithm - and unfortunately, it seems to be what works to gain traction. I've been reading One Piece for 20 years; Posted very long essays on message boards since 2006. The center of conversation has shifted to UA-cam and other places. I just enjoy talking about One Piece and because these videos take a long time to make want to give them the best chance at receiving some views. I try to at least make the thumbnails not 'clickbait', but attention grabbing titles seem to be the most effective way for a video to gain some traction. Did you ever see the movie Elf? Every coffee shop is going to advertise 'World's Best Cup of Coffee'. Is it the best? It's the best I can make.
Fortunately, I myself have been posting One Piece theories on message boards & other places for nearly 20 years, so lots of analysis & other discussions I'd like to turn into videos.
This is pretty good but I'm more of the theory that the World Government were the original Pirates who overthrew Joyboy. Thats the whole point of the messaging behind Dressrosa and how they parallel the World Government.
I’m just not a fan thematically of the idea that all the bad guys are just pirates, it kinda ruins the theme that anyone who abuses power to oppress people is bad, no matter whether they are opposing the law or enforcing it
@@thestatusjoe9949 Thats not the idea though. It's not that all bad guys are pirates because crews like Whitebeard & The Strawhats clearly prove that false. It's moreso the idea that anybody can present themselves as a just authority as long as they have the power to do so.
Dante's Inferno Three-Headed Three-Faced Satan. Three Hearts Souls Personalities. But he's just a Tragic Villain Not Pure Evil as people thought despite his obvious malevolent trait. IMU the World Government is the True Complete Monster Evil One. In terms of Evil Cruelty and Lack of Empathy Imu outranks All of the Villains Antagonists in the Series. Blackhead doesn't truly lacking empathy he can show mercy. Imu doesn't.
You gotta feel bad for joyboy for his vision not to come true at his time. I imagine he was betray by either Imu or Blackbeard ancestor. His downfall was probably his over trust on people, thinking people will just go along with his philosophy and believing everyone will be okay to treat each other as equals.
BlackBeard is Dark Reflection/Anarchy Piracy (Chaotic Evil Darkness Planner) of the Freedom JoyBoy want to establish. IMU is the Very Evil Entity that represents the Ultimate Opposite of Freedom demand Absolute Control Dictatorship Tyranny (Lawful Evil Darkness Mastermind Conspirator). Both definitely betrayed him at some point for their own gains.
Isn't blackbeard's dream to create a pirate island ? Maybe it's a twisted reflection of joy boy's therefore luffy's actual dream ( like everything else he does )
Yes! You are very right, and as you said, it fits perfectly with the idea that Teach is a dark shadow of Luffy in every sense. I actually recorded about 90% of the audio for this video last year as part of a mega void century theory of almost everything video. I just recently re-edited and reassembled into smaller segments because it got away from me a bit. So because it was before the recent string of chapters, the discussion of Blackbeard's current goal of creating a Pirate Kingdom didn't make it into this one, but will be included when I complete the full thing (it will be a long video...).
Talking about blackbeard, I've been looking into him a fair bit lately. You started mentioning curses and how it could relate to blackbeard. Early on drum island when black beard was first mentioned in the series luffy said people from snow countries don't sleep or they die. What if that was a curse put on blackbeard, and luffy heard it from shank's crew. A curse put on black beard that he never dies as long as he stays awake. So eating more than one devil fruit couldn't kill him. If he looked into curses to maybe try and deal with his own he could've read into the curse put on davy jones that was mentioned during the davy back fights. Devil fruits can be considered as a curse for taking away the ability to swim. However the curse put on davy jones couldve just been a devil fruit, one that stood up to all others, a devil fruit power that let him traverse the deep sea. Sorry but i love the theory of blackbeard having a davy jones fruit. When the straw hats were on they're way to fish man island they were in the deep sea which i think chopper mentioned it being a world of total darkness and in the same chapter had the flying dutchman make its way towards the sunny. A lot of it can be connected. One of my moat favorite things of one piece!!
With a curse like this it could explain blackbeards personality in that he never has been able to dream so instead he decided to try and make his reality his dream.
The d clan members being descendants of Joyboys crew & noticing the 9 chambers Imu had was just 🔥 Your theories are awesome dude. I had no choice but to subscribe after watching a couple!
I think they were simply laughing at all the joyous tales of JoyBoy's adventures, even if it ultimately ended in tragedy. After all, Oden and Roger both met grim fates, but if someone were to record the full story of their adventures, it would nevertheless be a 'tale full of laughs'.
@@StrawHatJedi maybe they were laughing cuz they were lugging around that big egg for so long and they came finally came across what they needed it for. They leave the egg there as the treasure
What if it's actually a "phoneglyphs" ?? And that's why only people with the ability to hear the "voice of all things" could understand what's written on those stones..
Noland definitely was a candidate to inherit the will it just wasn't the right time and thats why the fruit didn't end up with him. Also there's a theory that IMU heard that he found the shandians and ordered the king to set Noland up so that interference might also be why.
I think the one piece is a giant sake cup. Luffy’s true dream is something that shocked the entire crew, even the sunny. I think luffy’s dream is to liberate the world, unite the seas, and host the worlds largest banquet with everyone on board the sunny. Luffy will use gear 5 to stretch the sunny and enlarge it to fit the entire world, which is why the sunny has a stressed reaction. If luffy has the inherited will of joyboy, he probably also shares that ambition as well. Going back to the sake cup, the only way to exchange sake for brotherhood with the entire world is to have one giant cup of sake.
The idea of adopting D as a reminder of being in Joyboy's crew is similar to X that Straw Hats have. If they added X to their names, there would be Monkey XD Luffy, which looks like a smile.
This is pretty good but I'm more of the theory that the World Government were the original Pirates who overthrew Joyboy. Thats the whole point of the messaging behind Dressrosa and how they parallel the World Government.
I think the One piece has a connection with the ancient kingdom. The ancient kingdom, One piece and Joyboy all these are connected somehow. Because the world government erased everything related to these three names and they're stoping the people who going after them. All we know 800 years ago world government was formed by 20 kingdoms and the descendants become the celestial dragons. And one of the 20 kingdoms refused to join hands. It was none other than the Alabasta kingdom and the ruler of Alabasta was Nefertari D Lili and this character didn't return to her kingdom but sent a letter which handed over time after time by the rulers. Well this is my theory. The ancient kingdom was the most advanced kingdom in the void century. In Egghead Vegapunk satelite 1 saying about a futuristic place. This place might be the Ancient kingdom and that's where the Ancient weapons were built. So in the leadership of Imu the 20 kingdoms decided to bring down this Kingdom because they may be feared them because of their technologies. But because of their intentions Lili refused to join and she made an alliance with Joyboy. In chapter 1085 Imu addressing her as traitor and the initial D is the moniker of their ancient enemy. So Joyboy maybe decided to help Ancient kingdom and he made alliance with many people like Lunarians, Buccaneers, Fishmen...etc. But somehow Joyboy got defeated. But he hide the One piece from everyone and when he died the world government destroyed ancient kingdom and every traces of Joyboy and ancient kingdom. But Nefertari D Lili wanted to bring everything to light. So that's how maybe the ponegluphs made with help of Wano country. Now how the One piece is connected to these events maybe One piece is an invention or something else that can make the Ancient kingdom a powerful nation or making them superior. So this is the reason why the 19 kingdoms feared Ancient kingdom. So Joyboy and Lili may knew if it comes to wrong hands then it will be a bad thing. So that's why he hide it. This is my own theory so please take it silly.
Kaido’s dream and big moms dream together would be pretty close to libertalia. A world where the rich arent more powerful, facing the same issues, and all races live in unison
Yup, and then you throw in Blackbeard's newly revealed ambition to turn Fullalead into a nation of Pirates; Each is a piece of the bigger picture, distorted in some way by the Emperor's tragic flaws.
This is Joyboy Theories’ theory from like 2018, plus I’m pretty sure Tekking101 has a complete lesson about it up since whole cake island… it is a good theory, though.
Maybe joyboy wasn't a leader in the traditional sense. Maybe he was somebody like Luffy. I can't see some serious personality with that fruit. Not after luffy's awakening
Luffy has said he doesn't want to be a king with power over anyone, and i really hope the end of the series doesnt just have him replacing imu or in a reformed WG being the end game, i hope luffy brings an era with out kings
Luffy's awakening indeed represents JoyBoy's return, but there's still a mystery as to what exactly that means. The drums of liberation beating with Nika's awakening remind Zunesha of JoyBoy from the Void Century. This suggests that 'JoyBoy', the central figure of the Void Century, once possessed the same Devil Fruit as does Luffy. The Elders and World Government have been trying to capture the Nika Fruit for 800 years - and according to Mercury, it hasn't awakened in those eight centuries. But that means it was awakened in the past - during the Void Century. The name JoyBoy is only known to those who have read the Ponglyphs s far as we've seen. No one besides those who have red the Poneglyphs have mentioned JoyBoy. Just like the events of the Void Century, JoyBoy has been completely erased from history. The name Nika on the other hand is only partially erased. While most contemporary texts omit any mention of the supposed 'sun god Nika', Vegapunk says the name may still be found in some of the very oldest manuscripts. For reference, Alabasta's recorded history dates back over 4,000 years. The Void Century took place just 800 - 900 years before the present. Meaning, the very oldest of manuscripts in which Nika's name may still be found are likely thousands of years older than JoyBy, predating the Void Century. This indicates that the 'Sun God Nika' was a legend even in JoyBoy's time. He channeled the same power as Luffy - the awakened Nika fruit, but JoyBoy himself wasn't a real solar deity in the same sense that Luffy wields Nika's power but is not Nika.
I wonder what's so important about the nika fruit, like yeah it makes luffy pretty strong, and it liberates people, but Bello Betty also does that, the WG wants gigantafication but San Juan Wolf's devil fruit also does that, infinite energy? The logias pretty much do that, so what will the ultimate use of the fruit be?🤔 I'm thinking the nika fruit may have been the very first fruit and once they get a hold off it they could erase every devil fruit from existence or something, that'd be pretty major.
@@orbboom6119the devil fruit gives you freedom in the way you fight. It's also the symbol of freedom, the opposite of opression. A symbol is sometimes more powerful then a person. Then there is something about the void century which must be very significant. There's plenty of reasons for the WG to go after that fruit
@@StrawHatJedi in the context of one piece there's a distinction between ancient and mythical for zoans. Ancient represent living beings who once existed but became extinct on the present day, on the other hand mythical are simply "fictional", they never existed in reality. myths and legends are simply "stories to be told". Nika is symbolization of people wishes for ultimate freedom. Also one core aspect people miss while luffy and roger share the same dream and goal, and we can understand luffy dream is something to laugh at, for his inherent goofy and childish personality, however is that Roger dream isit truly something to being laughed at when someone heard it, if the dream consists of having the world biggest party and gathering all seas in one was told by a sickly man, would you really laugh at him. Remember when common piratefolk laughed at the existence of sky island, is Roger dream reflect the same mentality or not? Is it laughable because it is a mockery or it is something people can laugh regardless of the content. The answer may not be biggest party after all.
Through whatever perspective u r saying this. I don't quite think it's possible, it's rather better to think Joyboy and sun God nika are the same person or different person than think Imu as joyboy. They were opposites in every aspect. That's why its better to stay on the narrative line rather than sinking deeper into your own imagination or theories.
this is completly out there: its crazy i never realised it... but doesnt the scar on luffys hat kind of resemble shanks scar. maybe thats some foreshadowing. maybe buggy represents rocks. if blackbeard is supposed to be modern rocks maybe rocks d xebec had the op op no mi before. i say this because buggy has a similair fruit to op op no mi and alvida references imu with her youth and slippery body. imu is implied to have imortality and a ink ink aka moon god fruit. so its possible that rocks used to be the king of the ancient kingdom just like buggy is gonna be a false king. it is also possible that joyboy is forshadowed using the strawhat. so when shanks made buggy eat the devilfruit maybe rocks was denied the moon god fruit by joyboy. as arcs tend to be inversed. in loguetown when luffy gets executed joyboys death is probably foreshadowed wich could lead to imus hate because not only did alvida admire luffy she also wittnessed his failed execution.
I can understand your perspective, but if I may offer a counter perspective: Ultimately, One Piece is a story about pirates - and Oda has though deeply about what it means to center his seafaring story on those who sail the jolly roger. It's baked into the DNA of the series. Ultimately, One Piece is a story about the pursuit of freedom. Oda let us know from very early on that the treasure One Piece has greater significance than a pile of gold and that Roger's ideals and aspirations went beyond that of an ordinary cutthroat pirate - the opening of chapter 100 really set that in stone: "Inherited will. Dreams. Fate. As long as people hunger for freedom, these things will continue to exist." Oda has constructed his world such that the institutions of power have been thoroughly corrupted and thus become instruments of oppression. Waving the jolly roger signifies freedom of said institutions, which may be understood as a necessary or even noble calling in this fictional world depending on how that liberty is used. The sea in One Piece is the ultimate representation of freedom and Pirates are those who live in close connection to the sea. None more so than the Pirate King and as Luffy said, echoing the same sentiments as Roger, he doesn't want to conquer or rule the seas. He doesn't want to conquer or rule anything. Oda crafted his story such that Luffy is the hero the age demands - a Pirate King, not a radical revolutionary like Dragon. Oda began his creation process with Luffy - a young boy who dreams of piracy. And he constructed the narrative conflict around his protagonist. Meaning, he designed his world to facilitate a hero like Luffy, future Pirate King, being the ultimate paragon or champion of freedom. In that sense, particularly given the thematic importance of inherited will, passed down through the ages, it stands to reason that the person to whom One Piece previously belonged was a Pirate in the same mold as Roger and Luffy and espoused the same ideals or characteristics. Those values are needed to restore the world to its proper state in the modern era, so it stands to reason that the same applied during the Void Century. Given the frequency with which Oda uses the motifs of laughter and smiles, associated particularly with champions of freedom like Luffy, Roger, JOYboy, and Nika - the flag of piracy itself seems to fit with this symbolism. The jolly roger - a grinning skull and crossbones raised by pirates, warriors of the sea. But what does it signify? The same thing as those who carry the name D. smiling before meeting their fate, satisfied not only with their life, but content that they're not truly going to die. Dreams and inherited will live on, and eventually good wins out in the end, even if they loose their lives and it seems like evil triumphs in the moment. As Bink's Sake states, doesn't matter who you are, someday you'll just be bones. Which is to say, it seems likely that this imagery also resonated with JoyBoy and as such, I think it makes thematic sense that he too would sail the jolly roger in opposition to the tyrannical forces of his age - which seemingly prevailed. Of course this theory could prove to be incorrect. I only mean to say that if it does turn out to be accurate - if JoyBoy was indeed a pirate - I'm sure Oda will be able to pull it off in a way that fits narratively & thematically. In any case, right or wrong, I'm sure he has had JoyBoy's story mapped out from the beginning.
I hope Joyboy is widly different from Roger and luffy, ofc he will be similar in his ideals and personality, but making him a Giant or a lunarian would be cool.
Then Why do you come here and watching it wasting your own time. This makes Much More sense than some nonsense popular theorists Powerscalers themselves Bruh.
You sound slow asf lol. Lazy story telling is when they repeat the same story told or take the easy way to telling a story. We don’t even know joyboys story so how’s it lazy story telling? We would basically be told joyboys story through luffys perspective which isn’t lazy story telling whatsoever.
I personally think that the one piece is one of the ancient weapons. Not just that, but the strongest ancient weapon. Rodger laughed because he had absolutely no desire to dominate the world and laughed because it was useless to him.
Joyboy is a label or title right? I wouldn’t be surprised if Joyboy’s true name wasn’t “Romance D. Awn” or something. It’d be poetic.
Could you do an explanation of the timeline you set forth, combining the Age of Heaven and Age of Sea Circle, because I have never thought of it like that. That is an amazing catch
Yes, very good suggestion! That's a topic I have a longer explanation for in the full length version of this big Void Century theory, but I can also make a dedicated video to just that one topic.
@@StrawHatJedi Is there a TL;DR for what you think caused the fall of the Lunarians? Is it the rule of the ancient kingdom, the creation of the Grand Line, or the Sky races leaving the moon?
@@TheHardRocker2121 Exactly what caused their downfall is harder to predict than the timing. We now their 'land of gods' atop the Red Wall was 'long before Marijoa', so I think this rules out their being conquered during the Void Century. After all, Queen said their fate is recorded in the pages of history - which excludes the hundred years when history is not recorded.
The Age of the Sea Circle began 1500 years ago (600 years before the Grand Line), so I would say that's most likely when the Grand Line came into being.
1500 Years Ago: Transition from Tenreki to Kaienreki; Grand Line created
900 Years Ago: JoyBoy's era began
800 Years Ago: Reign of the WG began
There's some interesting symbolism with the Lunarians, which bear the appearance of fallen angels. Oda's already using some terminology from the book of Genesis story of Eden with the Adam & Eve trees and the Devil Fruit. Eve grows in the same location as Marijoa / the Lunarians' 'land of gods' and they seem to resemble the Angels with flaming swords charged with protecting the trees of knowledge / life after the fall of Adam & Eve.
The origin of the Devil Fruit is a mystery, but those who eat them are 'cursed by the sea', which suggests that whatever power created the sea circle is antithetical in some way. But in the story of Eden, the trees of knowledge & life weren't created by the devil, but by God. The devil has no creative power, only the power to tempt. Adam & Eve's sin was in eating the fruit they weren't supposed to, but the fruit itself wasn't evil.
I think all of this lends to the idea that the 'Devil Fruit' were not created by the OP world equivalent of the Devil, but perhaps have divine origin - and the great crime was in stealing these powers.
If the Lunarians were indeed 'protectors' of sorts (angels with flaming swords), then their downfall would either be - they were conquered by those who wanted to steal the Devil Fruit OR they surrendered their position to claim divinity for themselves.
The devil is supposed to be a fallen angel, fitting with the imagery of the Lunarians - and given King's statement about belonging to a superior race, we can assume that he indeed has a god complex of sorts.
At this point, I lean toward the Lunarians being somehow responsible for surrendering the Devil Fruit or causing their dispersal by falling from position of divine protectors to try to attain divinity for themselves.
The other interesting detail is that Alber knew the name 'JoyBoy' without having read the Poneglyphs (he told Kaido about JoyBoy) - the only character thus far to do so. This could suggest that during JoyBoy's era, he was formed some type of alliance with the remaining Lunarians - who now await JoyBoy's return.
I guess that's not exactly a 'TL;DR' lol... shorter version: Angels with flaming swords charged with protecting the 'center of the world' who fell from grace, probably seeking power / divinity for themselves. The timeline could indicate this happened around the time the Grand Line was created - 1500 years ago (600 years before JoyBoy's era).
@@StrawHatJedi Appreciate the response, I think I can get behind that reasoning. I do have some thoughts. It would make sense that JB would make an alliance with the Lunarians, since the WG wants to eradicate them. This would definitely imply that they were a crucial part of the VC. However, I still cannot understand WHY JoyBoy would need to form an alliance in the first place.
I have always been stuck on figuring out how the Ancient Kingdom lost during the Void Century. They were enormous, had technology well more advanced than the time including a unlimited power source and Mechs, and were allied with some of the most dominant countries on the planet in Wano, Elbaf, supposedly Shandia, and Zou. They also had control of at least 2/3 ancient weapons.
With that context, it is hard to see 20 kingdoms being able to take them on and win, as in my opinion, they power difference between AK and the 20 Kingdoms was way greater than that of Luffy's alliances and the WG. Thoughts?
Nice Theory video
I'm getting ready for Elbaf Arc after Egghead Arc.
Thanks! BIG things are coming soon... literally. Elbaf is going to be huge
@@StrawHatJedi You said it 🎆🎇
I wonder if they'll go directly to Elbaf. The Straw Hats tend to get sidetracked whenever we're told their taget destination in advance (Little Garden & Drum between Whiskey Peak & Alabasta; Thriller Bark, Sabaody, Amazon Lily, Impel Down, Marineford, & the 2 Year Time Skip between Water Seven and Fishman Island). In this case, the log is locked on, so they will probably go there directly, but I still wonder if there might be someplace they end up stopping in between.
@@StrawHatJedi I'm waiting for the Viz translation of Chapter 1090.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that as well. Next video topic is Elbaf!
Always print enough pamphlets
One piece is a diary.. he discovers that everything is just a never ending cycle of life and death..
Like your perspective n i didnt know the calendars of the whole world timeline had so much importance, thank you showing the timelines. Tbh, it was frustrating to keep track till the end of the video, there was no gap in between n u spoke endlessly continuously. Appreciate your effort though. Also i feel like there maybe 2 options how the D came to be, it either couldve been the name of Joyboy's pirate crew or it couldve been an initial of a word that carried their determination to pass it down until someone with the will to bring the dawn will be born. I feel like Joyboy and his allies at the time decided to name their whole group with a word, so that their goals always stay intact whatever the outcome of war n their motive to bring the dawn is followed till its eventually brought n their enemies are taken down.
Straw Hat Jedi huh? Then which is better, One Piece or Star Wars?
Star Piece! I mean.. One Wars!
Can't people have many favourite stories more than one for them? Both are Great Fictions. The recent Egghead Arc literally giving Star Wars Vibes References a lot.
Damn is that Spyro 2 or 3 music? Copeland is a top tier composer. One Piece discussion with a Spyro Backing track. Good taste bro.
Good ear! Spyro 1 Dark Hollow first, then DK Tropical Freeze Amiss Abyss
@@StrawHatJedi I really need to re listen to the spyro out. Really good stuff. Thanks
Copeland is definitely top tier!
This is so much like the real world we live in now.
I believe the ancient kingdom is named Nakrowa - Dreamland
I like that idea! Seems like a good possibility.
Another possibility I imagined for Nakowa is that - maybe there's a place even Roger and JoyBoy never managed to find - a legend much older than even the One Piece.
After all is said and done, the war is settled, New Dawn arrives, the Straw Hat's dreams accomplished - they sail off toward the horizon on their next grand adventure, searching for Nakrowa.
BB, Kaido, WB, Roger, Ace, and so on. All are types of Joyboy. But the reality is the Nika fruit. Lets look at this fruit and see how truly special it really it. We can assume that Aces mom most likely was the last known fruit user before luffy of this fruit. The reason. The birth thing she did. Remember what does this fruit do when not awakened. Makes the body rubber like. Not rubber, but rubber like qualities. Meaning that she can not only expand her womb for the size of the baby, but she can contrast and release muscles as needed to hold the baby in for longer.
The nika fruit only accepts people that are a certain type of freedom. BB and the others types of freedom does not line up with the will of the nika fruit. So they are basically fake Joyboy's.
Rouge having the Gomu Gomu fruit is certainly an interesting theory!
I would like to make a statement here. You know how Japanese people can't pronounce the Letter L. Instead they use R. Now think of the name gol d. Roger. Replace L with R and you get gor d. Roger. Gor in Norse mythology is in essence named god killer.
No
Luffy make crash bandicoot
Monkey D Robin !😂
The only great theorys are the acurate one's
Gravity is a pretty good one. Relativity is also cool. Jury's out on String.
Im calling it binks is joyboy
JoyBoy is just the name of the last person who awaken his DF
I wonder if JoyBoy was an actual name or an epithet based on his having wielded Nika's power.
It's Not a name it's a Title.
Luffy = Joyboy = Roger.
-Luffy born first.
-Somehow strawhats go to past and Luffy is named Joyboy by the ancients.
-Then he is sent to the future again but without his fruit, crew and scars and assumes the name of Roger.
- He's still has -20 years lifetime because of Yvankov's powers used in Impel Down and marineford. That's the cause of his death.
5:50 thats wher ei have to leave. the title pirate king was made for roger. so joyboy was sure nto pirate king.
As far as history is concerned there was never a Pirate King before Roger... however, the historical record is incomplete. It's interesting that the world's papers seem to have invented both the title 'Pirate King' and the name of the treasure, 'One Piece'. We know the latter is likely somehow significant - but how did the journalist who coined those terms know to use them? What secrets are you hiding Big News Morgans!?
If you watched the video you’ll see that history was essentially wiped and that if joyboy was the pirate king, we wouldn’t know. Nice reading comprehension dumbass
I think the one piece is luffys devil fruit. 😈 cuz it happens to be linked to joyboy. Maybe the one piece is with luffy the whole time
Roger laughs, because, after ALL THAT, he was there at the wrong time.
And then he dies.
Gold D. Roger is every unlucky person, who was a one piece fan and never really got there
That is NOT why he laughed. And he is NOT unlucky.
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Boy i hate One Piece UA-camrs. Like in every video they say they have the best theory ever made
Or they use a theory thats been around for years already...!!! Lol
It's just a title - and the first time I've tried this type of nomenclature. If you look at my other videos, you'll see they're all pretty descriptive. UA-cam is driven by an algorithm - and unfortunately, it seems to be what works to gain traction.
I've been reading One Piece for 20 years; Posted very long essays on message boards since 2006. The center of conversation has shifted to UA-cam and other places. I just enjoy talking about One Piece and because these videos take a long time to make want to give them the best chance at receiving some views. I try to at least make the thumbnails not 'clickbait', but attention grabbing titles seem to be the most effective way for a video to gain some traction.
Did you ever see the movie Elf? Every coffee shop is going to advertise 'World's Best Cup of Coffee'. Is it the best? It's the best I can make.
Fortunately, I myself have been posting One Piece theories on message boards & other places for nearly 20 years, so lots of analysis & other discussions I'd like to turn into videos.
Did you really Watch video completely. You people should listen to the videos More before actually judging they're all alike BRUH
This is pretty good but I'm more of the theory that the World Government were the original Pirates who overthrew Joyboy. Thats the whole point of the messaging behind Dressrosa and how they parallel the World Government.
Hidden Island really sold me that one !
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I’m just not a fan thematically of the idea that all the bad guys are just pirates, it kinda ruins the theme that anyone who abuses power to oppress people is bad, no matter whether they are opposing the law or enforcing it
@@thestatusjoe9949 Thats not the idea though. It's not that all bad guys are pirates because crews like Whitebeard & The Strawhats clearly prove that false. It's moreso the idea that anybody can present themselves as a just authority as long as they have the power to do so.
@@thestatusjoe9949yeah that’s not what it means at all though
I think Blackbeard's flag having three skulls is definitely a hint to his true nature.
Dante's Inferno Three-Headed Three-Faced Satan. Three Hearts Souls Personalities. But he's just a Tragic Villain Not Pure Evil as people thought despite his obvious malevolent trait. IMU the World Government is the True Complete Monster Evil One. In terms of Evil Cruelty and Lack of Empathy Imu outranks All of the Villains Antagonists in the Series. Blackhead doesn't truly lacking empathy he can show mercy. Imu doesn't.
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D Bearers People Both Good and Bad Sides - *Freedom, Li ber ta lia.*
IMU the World Government - *Control Contrast of Freedom, 1984 Oceania The Party.*
You gotta feel bad for joyboy for his vision not to come true at his time. I imagine he was betray by either Imu or Blackbeard ancestor. His downfall was probably his over trust on people, thinking people will just go along with his philosophy and believing everyone will be okay to treat each other as equals.
BlackBeard is Dark Reflection/Anarchy Piracy (Chaotic Evil Darkness Planner) of the Freedom JoyBoy want to establish. IMU is the Very Evil Entity that represents the Ultimate Opposite of Freedom demand Absolute Control Dictatorship Tyranny (Lawful Evil Darkness Mastermind Conspirator). Both definitely betrayed him at some point for their own gains.
That is something I have always wondered. His disappearance is full of questions
Isn't blackbeard's dream to create a pirate island ? Maybe it's a twisted reflection of joy boy's therefore luffy's actual dream ( like everything else he does )
Yes! You are very right, and as you said, it fits perfectly with the idea that Teach is a dark shadow of Luffy in every sense. I actually recorded about 90% of the audio for this video last year as part of a mega void century theory of almost everything video. I just recently re-edited and reassembled into smaller segments because it got away from me a bit. So because it was before the recent string of chapters, the discussion of Blackbeard's current goal of creating a Pirate Kingdom didn't make it into this one, but will be included when I complete the full thing (it will be a long video...).
Holy shit, One Piece is just silly pirate Metal Gear lmao
Talking about blackbeard, I've been looking into him a fair bit lately. You started mentioning curses and how it could relate to blackbeard. Early on drum island when black beard was first mentioned in the series luffy said people from snow countries don't sleep or they die. What if that was a curse put on blackbeard, and luffy heard it from shank's crew. A curse put on black beard that he never dies as long as he stays awake. So eating more than one devil fruit couldn't kill him. If he looked into curses to maybe try and deal with his own he could've read into the curse put on davy jones that was mentioned during the davy back fights. Devil fruits can be considered as a curse for taking away the ability to swim. However the curse put on davy jones couldve just been a devil fruit, one that stood up to all others, a devil fruit power that let him traverse the deep sea. Sorry but i love the theory of blackbeard having a davy jones fruit. When the straw hats were on they're way to fish man island they were in the deep sea which i think chopper mentioned it being a world of total darkness and in the same chapter had the flying dutchman make its way towards the sunny. A lot of it can be connected. One of my moat favorite things of one piece!!
With a curse like this it could explain blackbeards personality in that he never has been able to dream so instead he decided to try and make his reality his dream.
Sir i love your take. Please continue videos like these.
The d clan members being descendants of Joyboys crew & noticing the 9 chambers Imu had was just 🔥
Your theories are awesome dude. I had no choice but to subscribe after watching a couple!
Hey, thank you!
Anyone noticed luffys voice was different after waking up from dying? Like the first few seconds I think he said "where am i?"
Good observation. I haven't watched the episodes yet. I will listen closely when I do!
You’re imagining it. It’s the same
What would make them laugh at joyboys tale? They couldn’t even do anything on the last island. They said they have to wait for the return of Joyboy
I think they were simply laughing at all the joyous tales of JoyBoy's adventures, even if it ultimately ended in tragedy. After all, Oden and Roger both met grim fates, but if someone were to record the full story of their adventures, it would nevertheless be a 'tale full of laughs'.
@@StrawHatJedi maybe they were laughing cuz they were lugging around that big egg for so long and they came finally came across what they needed it for. They leave the egg there as the treasure
Wtf was that sound at 26.12? Haha
Joyboy is jack sparrow
savvy
What if it's actually a "phoneglyphs" ?? And that's why only people with the ability to hear the "voice of all things" could understand what's written on those stones..
Gr8 Theory...
Spoiler One Piece is having all the Plymouth stones connected together. It’s a gate that takes past and future pirate kings together.
The world between worlds...
I feel like Noland also inherited Joyboy’s will he was just ahead of his time and didn’t know who the real enemy was.
Noland definitely was a candidate to inherit the will it just wasn't the right time and thats why the fruit didn't end up with him. Also there's a theory that IMU heard that he found the shandians and ordered the king to set Noland up so that interference might also be why.
I think the one piece is a giant sake cup. Luffy’s true dream is something that shocked the entire crew, even the sunny. I think luffy’s dream is to liberate the world, unite the seas, and host the worlds largest banquet with everyone on board the sunny. Luffy will use gear 5 to stretch the sunny and enlarge it to fit the entire world, which is why the sunny has a stressed reaction. If luffy has the inherited will of joyboy, he probably also shares that ambition as well. Going back to the sake cup, the only way to exchange sake for brotherhood with the entire world is to have one giant cup of sake.
Dude whaat
Think properly
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Eh kinda banal
The idea of adopting D as a reminder of being in Joyboy's crew is similar to X that Straw Hats have. If they added X to their names, there would be Monkey XD Luffy, which looks like a smile.
Then they should add ROFLLMAO
Exactly like the 'X' mark!
This is pretty good but I'm more of the theory that the World Government were the original Pirates who overthrew Joyboy. Thats the whole point of the messaging behind Dressrosa and how they parallel the World Government.
Solid vid but you could use a mic upgrade
I think the One piece has a connection with the ancient kingdom. The ancient kingdom, One piece and Joyboy all these are connected somehow. Because the world government erased everything related to these three names and they're stoping the people who going after them. All we know 800 years ago world government was formed by 20 kingdoms and the descendants become the celestial dragons. And one of the 20 kingdoms refused to join hands. It was none other than the Alabasta kingdom and the ruler of Alabasta was Nefertari D Lili and this character didn't return to her kingdom but sent a letter which handed over time after time by the rulers. Well this is my theory. The ancient kingdom was the most advanced kingdom in the void century. In Egghead Vegapunk satelite 1 saying about a futuristic place. This place might be the Ancient kingdom and that's where the Ancient weapons were built. So in the leadership of Imu the 20 kingdoms decided to bring down this Kingdom because they may be feared them because of their technologies. But because of their intentions Lili refused to join and she made an alliance with Joyboy. In chapter 1085 Imu addressing her as traitor and the initial D is the moniker of their ancient enemy. So Joyboy maybe decided to help Ancient kingdom and he made alliance with many people like Lunarians, Buccaneers, Fishmen...etc. But somehow Joyboy got defeated. But he hide the One piece from everyone and when he died the world government destroyed ancient kingdom and every traces of Joyboy and ancient kingdom. But Nefertari D Lili wanted to bring everything to light. So that's how maybe the ponegluphs made with help of Wano country. Now how the One piece is connected to these events maybe One piece is an invention or something else that can make the Ancient kingdom a powerful nation or making them superior. So this is the reason why the 19 kingdoms feared Ancient kingdom. So Joyboy and Lili may knew if it comes to wrong hands then it will be a bad thing. So that's why he hide it. This is my own theory so please take it silly.
Kaido’s dream and big moms dream together would be pretty close to libertalia. A world where the rich arent more powerful, facing the same issues, and all races live in unison
Yup, and then you throw in Blackbeard's newly revealed ambition to turn Fullalead into a nation of Pirates; Each is a piece of the bigger picture, distorted in some way by the Emperor's tragic flaws.
So basically the one piece better be the solution to all the world's problems..
I think that the one piece is the straw hat it self maybe it has a story behind it 🤔
Interesting! Do you think it's the one in Imu's vault or the one passed from Roger to Shanks and from Shanks to Luffy?
This is Joyboy Theories’ theory from like 2018, plus I’m pretty sure Tekking101 has a complete lesson about it up since whole cake island… it is a good theory, though.
Maybe joyboy wasn't a leader in the traditional sense. Maybe he was somebody like Luffy. I can't see some serious personality with that fruit. Not after luffy's awakening
Luffy has said he doesn't want to be a king with power over anyone, and i really hope the end of the series doesnt just have him replacing imu or in a reformed WG being the end game, i hope luffy brings an era with out kings
Naw thete will still be kings marines and world government but luffy won't be ruling it
what if joyboy got lost on the way to a party and never made it and thats why roger laughed
bro zounisha littarly just said joyboy is back when luffy awakaned gear 5 meaning luffy is joyboy theres no point in speculating anymore
Nika is joyboy, joy boy is joyboy, luffy is joy boy. Zuneisha clearly said “it’s like your right in front of me”
Luffy's awakening indeed represents JoyBoy's return, but there's still a mystery as to what exactly that means. The drums of liberation beating with Nika's awakening remind Zunesha of JoyBoy from the Void Century.
This suggests that 'JoyBoy', the central figure of the Void Century, once possessed the same Devil Fruit as does Luffy.
The Elders and World Government have been trying to capture the Nika Fruit for 800 years - and according to Mercury, it hasn't awakened in those eight centuries. But that means it was awakened in the past - during the Void Century.
The name JoyBoy is only known to those who have read the Ponglyphs s far as we've seen. No one besides those who have red the Poneglyphs have mentioned JoyBoy. Just like the events of the Void Century, JoyBoy has been completely erased from history.
The name Nika on the other hand is only partially erased. While most contemporary texts omit any mention of the supposed 'sun god Nika', Vegapunk says the name may still be found in some of the very oldest manuscripts.
For reference, Alabasta's recorded history dates back over 4,000 years. The Void Century took place just 800 - 900 years before the present. Meaning, the very oldest of manuscripts in which Nika's name may still be found are likely thousands of years older than JoyBy, predating the Void Century.
This indicates that the 'Sun God Nika' was a legend even in JoyBoy's time. He channeled the same power as Luffy - the awakened Nika fruit, but JoyBoy himself wasn't a real solar deity in the same sense that Luffy wields Nika's power but is not Nika.
I wonder what's so important about the nika fruit, like yeah it makes luffy pretty strong, and it liberates people, but Bello Betty also does that, the WG wants gigantafication but San Juan Wolf's devil fruit also does that, infinite energy? The logias pretty much do that, so what will the ultimate use of the fruit be?🤔
I'm thinking the nika fruit may have been the very first fruit and once they get a hold off it they could erase every devil fruit from existence or something, that'd be pretty major.
@@orbboom6119the devil fruit gives you freedom in the way you fight. It's also the symbol of freedom, the opposite of opression. A symbol is sometimes more powerful then a person. Then there is something about the void century which must be very significant. There's plenty of reasons for the WG to go after that fruit
@@StrawHatJedi in the context of one piece there's a distinction between ancient and mythical for zoans. Ancient represent living beings who once existed but became extinct on the present day, on the other hand mythical are simply "fictional", they never existed in reality. myths and legends are simply "stories to be told". Nika is symbolization of people wishes for ultimate freedom. Also one core aspect people miss while luffy and roger share the same dream and goal, and we can understand luffy dream is something to laugh at, for his inherent goofy and childish personality, however is that Roger dream isit truly something to being laughed at when someone heard it, if the dream consists of having the world biggest party and gathering all seas in one was told by a sickly man, would you really laugh at him. Remember when common piratefolk laughed at the existence of sky island, is Roger dream reflect the same mentality or not? Is it laughable because it is a mockery or it is something people can laugh regardless of the content. The answer may not be biggest party after all.
Would be awesome if what made Roger laugh is Joy Boy's writing "I will become king of the pirates! I will return"
That’s stupid af. If he was a pirate he was already the king of them,
I eagerly await the Imu was Joy Boy reveal that I’m rather sure is coming.
Imu's brother. Many, many themes of Christianity in OP and the main one missing is Cain and Abel. Betrayal of blood
Yeah bro, joyboy the pinnacle of good is also the most oppresive tyrant.. makes perfect sense😂
ewww. not this naruto plot twist-esque shit again.
Do you think JoyBoy became corrupted by an awakened zoan power or something to that effect?
Through whatever perspective u r saying this. I don't quite think it's possible, it's rather better to think Joyboy and sun God nika are the same person or different person than think Imu as joyboy. They were opposites in every aspect. That's why its better to stay on the narrative line rather than sinking deeper into your own imagination or theories.
this is completly out there: its crazy i never realised it... but doesnt the scar on luffys hat kind of resemble shanks scar. maybe thats some foreshadowing. maybe buggy represents rocks. if blackbeard is supposed to be modern rocks maybe rocks d xebec had the op op no mi before. i say this because buggy has a similair fruit to op op no mi and alvida references imu with her youth and slippery body. imu is implied to have imortality and a ink ink aka moon god fruit. so its possible that rocks used to be the king of the ancient kingdom just like buggy is gonna be a false king. it is also possible that joyboy is forshadowed using the strawhat. so when shanks made buggy eat the devilfruit maybe rocks was denied the moon god fruit by joyboy. as arcs tend to be inversed. in loguetown when luffy gets executed joyboys death is probably foreshadowed wich could lead to imus hate because not only did alvida admire luffy she also wittnessed his failed execution.
It wasn't even actually confirmed yet if that's Moon God nor ink powers.
Random thought what if Imu is a buggy type character but over the years became a true villian
Joyboy was the original king pirate? That's the theory? 🤦🏽♂️
Did you even fucking watch the video?
@@Gpeagasus246He didn't
@Gpeagasus246 He didn't
In my eyes Joyboy being a King of the Pirates is kind of a duh shit thing, but I guess I got some Future Sight Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
If joyboy turns out to be a pirate too, I'll drop this series. That's a lazy story telling.
I can understand your perspective, but if I may offer a counter perspective:
Ultimately, One Piece is a story about pirates - and Oda has though deeply about what it means to center his seafaring story on those who sail the jolly roger. It's baked into the DNA of the series.
Ultimately, One Piece is a story about the pursuit of freedom. Oda let us know from very early on that the treasure One Piece has greater significance than a pile of gold and that Roger's ideals and aspirations went beyond that of an ordinary cutthroat pirate - the opening of chapter 100 really set that in stone: "Inherited will. Dreams. Fate. As long as people hunger for freedom, these things will continue to exist."
Oda has constructed his world such that the institutions of power have been thoroughly corrupted and thus become instruments of oppression. Waving the jolly roger signifies freedom of said institutions, which may be understood as a necessary or even noble calling in this fictional world depending on how that liberty is used.
The sea in One Piece is the ultimate representation of freedom and Pirates are those who live in close connection to the sea. None more so than the Pirate King and as Luffy said, echoing the same sentiments as Roger, he doesn't want to conquer or rule the seas. He doesn't want to conquer or rule anything.
Oda crafted his story such that Luffy is the hero the age demands - a Pirate King, not a radical revolutionary like Dragon. Oda began his creation process with Luffy - a young boy who dreams of piracy. And he constructed the narrative conflict around his protagonist. Meaning, he designed his world to facilitate a hero like Luffy, future Pirate King, being the ultimate paragon or champion of freedom.
In that sense, particularly given the thematic importance of inherited will, passed down through the ages, it stands to reason that the person to whom One Piece previously belonged was a Pirate in the same mold as Roger and Luffy and espoused the same ideals or characteristics.
Those values are needed to restore the world to its proper state in the modern era, so it stands to reason that the same applied during the Void Century.
Given the frequency with which Oda uses the motifs of laughter and smiles, associated particularly with champions of freedom like Luffy, Roger, JOYboy, and Nika - the flag of piracy itself seems to fit with this symbolism. The jolly roger - a grinning skull and crossbones raised by pirates, warriors of the sea. But what does it signify? The same thing as those who carry the name D. smiling before meeting their fate, satisfied not only with their life, but content that they're not truly going to die. Dreams and inherited will live on, and eventually good wins out in the end, even if they loose their lives and it seems like evil triumphs in the moment. As Bink's Sake states, doesn't matter who you are, someday you'll just be bones. Which is to say, it seems likely that this imagery also resonated with JoyBoy and as such, I think it makes thematic sense that he too would sail the jolly roger in opposition to the tyrannical forces of his age - which seemingly prevailed.
Of course this theory could prove to be incorrect. I only mean to say that if it does turn out to be accurate - if JoyBoy was indeed a pirate - I'm sure Oda will be able to pull it off in a way that fits narratively & thematically. In any case, right or wrong, I'm sure he has had JoyBoy's story mapped out from the beginning.
So you'll drop the series when it ends...?
I hope Joyboy is widly different from Roger and luffy, ofc he will be similar in his ideals and personality, but making him a Giant or a lunarian would be cool.
Then Why do you come here and watching it wasting your own time. This makes Much More sense than some nonsense popular theorists Powerscalers themselves Bruh.
You sound slow asf lol. Lazy story telling is when they repeat the same story told or take the easy way to telling a story. We don’t even know joyboys story so how’s it lazy story telling? We would basically be told joyboys story through luffys perspective which isn’t lazy story telling whatsoever.
got that DK music going on. I like it.
Come on Cranky, take it to the fridge
When this theory turn out to be false and it will, you better not delete this video.
I personally think that the one piece is one of the ancient weapons. Not just that, but the strongest ancient weapon. Rodger laughed because he had absolutely no desire to dominate the world and laughed because it was useless to him.
Do you think it's one of the Ancient Weapons we have heard about or a brand new one not yet mentioned in the story?
Oda like The sumerian legends,maybe be The "Nibiru" Wepon.