Thank you for this presentation. The animated map with the location and movements of the various commands relative to one another adds welcome clarity to the many various written descriptions that are hard to visualize. Also the video of the landscape with the moving marker on the map to indicate what direction the camera is looking at is also very helpful. The narration is a good brief summary of the action. The only point to quibble with is that Sgt. Kanipe was not sent with orders directed to Benteen and McDougall, but only to McDougall. That he encountered Benteen on the way and informed Benteen was incidental. I raise this only because Custer supporters roundly criticized Benteen for not riding to Custer after receiving the same orders later from Pvt. Martin(i), yet no one mentions that McDougall did not follow those orders either. After leaving Benteen, as Kanipe rode past Benteen's men on his way to McDougall and the pack train, he raised cheers from them by shouting out to them something to the effect, "Custer has them on the run, boys!", which unfortunately reinforced the idea in everybody's mind that Custer had things well in hand.
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This was an Excellent presentation of the Battles initial Beginning Stage's. For Myself the Progression of Reno's Advance Down the Valley at First was Vague, and I Really wasn't Realizing How Spread Out, or how Long & Far the Battalion would have been Strung Out. In it's Execution of that Charge. FGI, A Group of 150 - 190 Men and Horse's 🐴🐎 Over Open Ground, will Cover A Mile to 1.5 Mile's of Distances Easily. WOWSERS. IT Also at that Time included the 40 or So Indian Scout's Fanned Out, Further West of the Trooper's Line. Heading for the Pony Herd, to the North. In Your Explanation the Way You moved about the Valley was terrific. IT Clarified many Thing's & Actually allows One to Visualize, & imagine that One's Self could have been there, in that Engagement with Major Reno's Command on that Afternoon of June 25th, 1876. From the Charge On? IT is Very Clear & Easy to follow Along with Your Narrative. As I Said at First? IT is Very Good, Gifted and Concisely Given. In My Next Visit there & Soon? Hopefully the Portions I Visit will Allow Me too Walk them Thoroughly and Do the Necessary Research, as I'm Walking the Battlefield. In the Past the Weather ☁️🌡️ wasn't that Great for the Walking. So I'll have to Deal with those Issues then. So To SFR Productions: Thank You So Very Much for Sharing Your Excellent Episode, on The initial Beginning Stage's of the Battle's Fought There. They Are Utterly Fantastic. Wyoming, Robert, 🇨🇦🇺🇲🇨🇦🇺🇲🇨🇦🇺🇸👍🤔👀🤔👍🙏🙏🙏🙏
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@@SFRProductions Along with watching and enjoying the Little Big Horn videos, I also recently watched your Guadalcanal videos. Seeing the terrain in real life and the maps is perfect.
Fun fact. Dorman had a 16"x2" strip of "leather" cut from his back and the natives kept it as a war trophy for decades. The only black man to die in the battle was horribly tortured and mutilated. His skin is now in the North Dakota state museum archive
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Can some one give me more info on the engagement at Ford "D?" If Custer had gotten to the non- combatants would it still have saved the remnants of Cuter's battalion? Thanks for these educational films. If I can help let me know.
Great video that is made so by the moving animation overlaid on the map. I’m planning a trip to the LBH Monument and I assume the map you used can be found at the monument or line, correct?
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It seems like the intentions of the cavalry were at odds with winning the battle. It is usual to make the enemy flee but here they were desperate to keep them from dispersing.
Very nice video....I appreciate your work. I just have one correction to offer. 6:40 you stated that Gustave Korn is "carried away by his horse, following the route that they had just come from at Weir Point". This is inaccurate, Korn's horse did not go back the route that that Custer's battalion had just come from...medicine tail coulee to cedar coulee to weir point.....the horse (a known bolter/runaway) took him ahead of Custer's command (totally beyond control, to the point that apparently, Korn claimed, Custer shouted to him to kill the horse as it took him far ahead of the command), all the way across Medicine Tail Ford, through the village itself then on to the plateau at the western side of the village, then all the way back south, jumping a massive ditch known now as the Otter Creek dry bed or "Kuhlman's Ravine". (This is the "depression" that was ahead of Reno's skirmish line by a few hundred yards it is between 15 & 40 yards in some places and up to six feet deep....but as it goes further from the river to the plateau it narrows) then all the way UP the bluffs to the Reno defense site, where they have already fled to and established....the horse dying about 30 feet from the breastworks on Reno Hill. How he made it is miraculous. (of course the horse was hit 5 -6 times by bullets total)
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@@SFRProductions no problem you, you did a nice job. It is one of the most confusing battles of all time....I have studied it since I was about 8 years old in 1979.....I still feel like it is a ball of confusion. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤪🤪🤪🤪😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫🥴🥴🥴🥴
I think that Gustav Korn holds a missing link - it was said by Henry Jones of the pack train that Korn was coming up the grade as the pack train was ascending the hill to Reno hill area - so giving the time pack arrived is about the same time soldiers down the river approached river - Korn said Keogh was wounded at river and Keogh bloody leggin and a boot belonging to Keogh was found close to river - the time here is important as Korn never said anything about most of the men were killed as this point and Weir took off before pack train arrived - so this gives credence to the Indians saying Custer and his men were wiped out in about 20 to 25 minutes
@@RV-eq8gj Well, respectfully, i think you are way off with your times....Korn never saw Keogh hit, because Korn claimed his horse bolted way ahead and across the river at Medicine Tail Ford, far ahead of the command.....so how could he have seen Keogh hit, who was by then 200 yards behind him, across the river, through the thickets of trees and brush along the river??? Especially when the Indians say the cavalry never even made it close to the river, but skirmished on the flats, dismounted We still do not know if Keogh was even anywhere near the river, as it is virtually all agreed that the troops never got close to the river itself, fighting on the flats, against warriors who had already crossed....and it was always assumed he was in command of the 2nd battalion which waited further up on Nye Cartwright Ridge or Luce Ridge (depending on your view). While Custer was on his bluff, with Cooke and staff not far from the river, overlooking the flats where the skirmishing was happening. I have personally always believed that if an officer in buckskin was hit and fell from his horse at the river, it was at Ford D, and it was Algernon Smith commanding E Company, the Grey Horse Troop or George Yates, commanding F Company, since both wore buckskins. But the Custer battle lasted MUCH longer than a mere 20-25 minutes from the time they came down Medicine Tail Coulee, to the time all the men were dead later on Last Stand Hill and Deep Ravine. Perhaps the final combat segment itself, from the Route of Co Company which started the dominos falling, to the deaths at the end, it was 20-25 minutes.....but there were far more moves, distance sniping, skirmishing and positioning, for far longer, between the time they hit Medicine Tail Ford Flats area @ 2:02 PM (local Sun time), the battalions rejoining @ 2:26 (at Calhoun Hill), Custers battalion leaving to move north @ 2:30, while Keogh deploys C,I & L around Calhoun Hill, t Custer going to for D and skirmishing there @2:45 then returning as C Company charged at @2:48 & was destroyed by @2:56, then L on Calhoun Hill around 10 minutes later, around 3:07 followed by I's collapse 5 minutes later @ 3:12 to the eventual flight of the tiny remnants of survivors r of the right wing, to meet up with Custers battalion on Last Stand Hill @ around 3:17, to the rough time of complete destruction on Last Stand Hill and Deep Ravine @ around 3:45. 20-25 minutes estimates for the fight seems logical...but *ONLY* to the Custer battalions portion of the fight on Last Stand Hill and Cemetery Ridge/Deep Ravine Basin. The Time from the fight at Medicine Tail Ford, back up deep coulee 1.25 miles to rejoin and meet to plan the next move, to rejoin at Calhoun Hill, to deploy, and for Custer to then scout another 1.5 miles miles northwest, skirmish at Ford D, then return 1 mile south east and then east to Last Stand Hill, to total destruction, was in fact, approximately 1 hour and 40 minutes. There was time for a retreat to Calhoun Hill, time to redeploy C,I,L there to protect the 1st battalion's scouting and wait for Benteen....then time for Custer and his battalion with E & F to go all the way around battle ridge, all the way down to scout Ford D, engage in a skirmish, then retreat back to Cemetery ridge and LSH, as the move started (C Company charging into Calhoun Coulee)that started the collapse of Keogh's wing. Unfortunately we will never know all the specifics, but the timeframe is very well established within rough parameters.
Thank you for the reply - I have studied this battle on and off for 20 years - you are well schooled and Thanks- I research peripheral characters and events - for example looking into newspaper archives and reading how Sitting Bull said "I have 8000 warriors and if the army comes near me - we will fight" an exaggeration I believe there were 2000 to 2500 warriors at LBH. But this was common knowledge in 1876. Many say the Indians had more firepower than Custer but they can't explain where the Indians got ammo after expending most all they had at the battle of the Rosebud. The Indians overwhelmed Custer in shear numbers and in those open plains the conflict was over quick. The 7th was a complete dysfunctional unit - Benteen hated Custer and didn't care much for Reno either - 2 years prior Custer denied Benteen leave to go be with Benteen sick daughter on which the daughter died - Benteen held a grudge on that and many other things - Benteen and Reno aligned for their professional interest - Did Custer get into the village and fight on that side of the river - some say there was evidence of this - Custer was in hot water with Grant on surfacing the fraud of Orville Geant General Belkamp and another General for kickbacks from Indian reservation funds. Concealment of knowledge didn't start with JFK it been going on along time. Once again thanks for your reply - on the Sitting Bull article the press was building this encounter up for months before battles and New York time got word and told of Rosebud on the 24th - I know there was a Korn inquiry back at Ft Lincoln and I have not seen this or found a copy yet - as to the route Korn traveled after crossing the River I was of the impression that he went east to west directly thru the village then on the outskirts made a southern direction until he ascended the hill meeting up with Pack train- if Korn hugged river area that would be where most of warriors were and it would be hard to get through I not sure on this matter
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Custer was at the LBH because the Sioux and Cheyenne were invading Crow land. He failed because of the treachery of Reno and Benteen with the backing of Grant.
What bothers me is, not just you, but everyone, calls it "Reno's Creek." at this point it's by a cluster of trees next to the Little Big Horn River. It was named "Reno's Creek" following the battle. Attention to small details is nerdish I know.
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Im surprised that Reno was even able to get out of there and up to defensive position. Had he waited just a couple more minutes to disengage and head for the timber,i doubt any of his command would have made it to the timber...and then he even manages to extricate himself from the timber and escape to that hill..costly in casualties for sure, Im sure Reno caught alot of criticism for disengaging at the end of the village,But with a tiny amount of soldiers to pick that fight?? I think Reno was right to get out of there
How about pressing the attack and cutting off or capturing the pony herd? By dismounting he simultaneously lost the initiative, all momentum and 25% of his combat strength (horse holders). Against increasing superior numbers, this guaranteed defeat
@@stuartjarman4930 if im not mistaken,Reno's attack was meant to draw warriors away from the opposite end of the village where Custer would begin his attack. Reno did draw warriors towards his line i dont think he actually knew how many warriors there were..i dont know why he ordered a dismount and formed a skirmish line when he now knew he was drastically outnumbered. As for the Pony herd,His orders were to attack the lower end of the village not capture ponies.
Timber was way easier to defend than his next positions. He should have held the timber. WOuld have kept warriors busy, and given Custer less opposition
@@dunbar555 the timber was a good idea,Im just wondering what was happening that caused Reno to order troops to displace and head for the high ground? High Ground is usually the best place to defend especially with a 360 degree view and clear firing arcs in all directions,downhill. But the wooded area too provided protection and interference for any warriors attacking that position
@@getoffenit7827 fear is what caused that. That hill wasn’t great at all. You could be shot at from every direction. I’ve been up here. Plus it’s in the sun with no cover or shade at all. Timber was definitely a better place to be in that situation
That describes the Lakota and Cheyenne perfectly during the Tongue River massacre of the Crow. At the Little Bighorn the Lakota were able to take on some isolated companies of the 7th cavalry when they outnumbered them 10 to 1. They failed to drive the rest of the 7th from their positions on Reno Hill even with superior numbers and then packed up the camp and ran away.
@@rcrinsea I agree completely....that is why I object to people like the OP casting the hostile elements of Sioux and Cheyenne as these harmless eco-hippies, hanging out, dancing, playing the drums and doing nothing wrong.
Great video, just hard to understand when things are shown from different views all of the sudden. One time we're looking up the hill and then suddenly we're looking down or left or whatever.
I think the timeline here is bad. If going off of what John Martin said. Custer was attacking in Ford B of medicine tail coulee within 5 minutes of Reno's first skirmish line. That put's him north and on the river way earlier than you have here. It is also thought he took his whole force down there with him. But was repulsed and it all started going to poo-poo for them very shortly after that. Multiple casualties and horses lost there at the first attempted ford. Native accounts corroborate this too. A bucksin wearing officer was shot there too. Recent speculation by Ranger Donahue has that officer as Kough. A few of the wounded were caught hiding at this ford at night and tortured in the camp during the Scalp dance ceremony. They had bloody knifes head on a damned stick- among others. Gaul was happy to see. After his family had been murdered...
@@terry7893 all of the following up videos are on my SFR Productions UA-cam channel. I also have Guadalcanal and Tarawa videos plus in the next few weeks I will be posting a Peleliu video. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for this presentation. The animated map with the location and movements of the various commands relative to one another adds welcome clarity to the many various written descriptions that are hard to visualize. Also the video of the landscape with the moving marker on the map to indicate what direction the camera is looking at is also very helpful.
The narration is a good brief summary of the action. The only point to quibble with is that Sgt. Kanipe was not sent with orders directed to Benteen and McDougall, but only to McDougall. That he encountered Benteen on the way and informed Benteen was incidental. I raise this only because Custer supporters roundly criticized Benteen for not riding to Custer after receiving the same orders later from Pvt. Martin(i), yet no one mentions that McDougall did not follow those orders either. After leaving Benteen, as Kanipe rode past Benteen's men on his way to McDougall and the pack train, he raised cheers from them by shouting out to them something to the effect, "Custer has them on the run, boys!", which unfortunately reinforced the idea in everybody's mind that Custer had things well in hand.
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this is amazing. Ive been there twice, and watched hundreds of video, but this is so well done
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Love these videos thank you for the great details and visuals of the battle.
Enjoyed the video very much, thank you
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Another great video. Easy to follow with your maps where events took place.
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Enjoyed it nicely done.
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This was an Excellent presentation of the Battles initial Beginning Stage's. For Myself the Progression of Reno's Advance Down the Valley at First was Vague, and I Really wasn't Realizing How Spread Out, or how Long & Far the Battalion would have been Strung Out. In it's Execution of that Charge. FGI, A Group of 150 - 190 Men and Horse's 🐴🐎 Over Open Ground, will Cover A Mile to 1.5 Mile's of Distances Easily. WOWSERS.
IT Also at that Time included the 40 or So Indian Scout's Fanned Out, Further West of the Trooper's Line. Heading for the Pony Herd, to the North.
In Your Explanation the Way You moved about the Valley was terrific. IT Clarified many Thing's & Actually allows One to Visualize, & imagine that One's Self could have been there, in that Engagement with Major Reno's Command on that Afternoon of June 25th, 1876.
From the Charge On? IT is Very Clear & Easy to follow Along with Your Narrative. As I Said at First? IT is Very Good, Gifted and Concisely Given. In My Next Visit there & Soon? Hopefully the Portions I Visit will Allow Me too Walk them Thoroughly and Do the Necessary Research, as I'm Walking the Battlefield. In the Past the Weather ☁️🌡️ wasn't that Great for the Walking. So I'll have to Deal with those Issues then. So To SFR Productions: Thank You So Very Much for Sharing Your Excellent Episode, on The initial Beginning Stage's of the Battle's Fought There.
They Are Utterly Fantastic.
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Very well put together. You are making it very easy to understand the happenings of the battles. All your videos s are great!! Keep it up
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Very well done. Including the maps and present day photos really work well. It's on my bucket list to visit the battlefield.
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@@SFRProductions Along with watching and enjoying the Little Big Horn videos, I also recently watched your Guadalcanal videos. Seeing the terrain in real life and the maps is perfect.
@@joeparvana9549 Guadalcanal was unreal, I never thought the terrain was so steep and just the entire environment was unreal.
Excellent another video!
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Fun fact. Dorman had a 16"x2" strip of "leather" cut from his back and the natives kept it as a war trophy for decades. The only black man to die in the battle was horribly tortured and mutilated. His skin is now in the North Dakota state museum archive
I bet those 2 troopers who ran into the village on berserk horses were pissed !!!!!!!!!!!
lost there minds... .errr heads i mean... they were put on pikes
I enjoy your videos, very well done. I’d also love to hear about some of the sources you use. I’m glad I found your channel.
Reno Court of Inquiry transcript contains much of this information.
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Great video!
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Very nice.
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Can some one give me more info on the engagement at Ford "D?" If Custer had gotten to the non- combatants would it still have saved the remnants of Cuter's battalion? Thanks for these educational films. If I can help let me know.
Great video that is made so by the moving animation overlaid on the map. I’m planning a trip to the LBH Monument and I assume the map you used can be found at the monument or line, correct?
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It seems like the intentions of the cavalry were at odds with winning the battle. It is usual to make the enemy flee but here they were desperate to keep them from dispersing.
No doubt reno panicked,gd video
Very nice video....I appreciate your work.
I just have one correction to offer.
6:40 you stated that Gustave Korn is "carried away by his horse, following the route that they had just come from at Weir Point".
This is inaccurate, Korn's horse did not go back the route that that Custer's battalion had just come from...medicine tail coulee to cedar coulee to weir point.....the horse (a known bolter/runaway) took him ahead of Custer's command (totally beyond control, to the point that apparently, Korn claimed, Custer shouted to him to kill the horse as it took him far ahead of the command), all the way across Medicine Tail Ford, through the village itself then on to the plateau at the western side of the village, then all the way back south, jumping a massive ditch known now as the Otter Creek dry bed or "Kuhlman's Ravine". (This is the "depression" that was ahead of Reno's skirmish line by a few hundred yards it is between 15 & 40 yards in some places and up to six feet deep....but as it goes further from the river to the plateau it narrows) then all the way UP the bluffs to the Reno defense site, where they have already fled to and established....the horse dying about 30 feet from the breastworks on Reno Hill. How he made it is miraculous. (of course the horse was hit 5 -6 times by bullets total)
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@@SFRProductions
no problem you, you did a nice job. It is one of the most confusing battles of all time....I have studied it since I was about 8 years old in 1979.....I still feel like it is a ball of confusion. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤪🤪🤪🤪😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫🥴🥴🥴🥴
I think that Gustav Korn holds a missing link - it was said by Henry Jones of the pack train that Korn was coming up the grade as the pack train was ascending the hill to Reno hill area - so giving the time pack arrived is about the same time soldiers down the river approached river - Korn said Keogh was wounded at river and Keogh bloody leggin and a boot belonging to Keogh was found close to river - the time here is important as Korn never said anything about most of the men were killed as this point and Weir took off before pack train arrived - so this gives credence to the Indians saying Custer and his men were wiped out in about 20 to 25 minutes
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Well, respectfully, i think you are way off with your times....Korn never saw Keogh hit, because Korn claimed his horse bolted way ahead and across the river at Medicine Tail Ford, far ahead of the command.....so how could he have seen Keogh hit, who was by then 200 yards behind him, across the river, through the thickets of trees and brush along the river??? Especially when the Indians say the cavalry never even made it close to the river, but skirmished on the flats, dismounted
We still do not know if Keogh was even anywhere near the river, as it is virtually all agreed that the troops never got close to the river itself, fighting on the flats, against warriors who had already crossed....and it was always assumed he was in command of the 2nd battalion which waited further up on Nye Cartwright Ridge or Luce Ridge (depending on your view). While Custer was on his bluff, with Cooke and staff not far from the river, overlooking the flats where the skirmishing was happening.
I have personally always believed that if an officer in buckskin was hit and fell from his horse at the river, it was at Ford D, and it was Algernon Smith commanding E Company, the Grey Horse Troop or George Yates, commanding F Company, since both wore buckskins.
But the Custer battle lasted MUCH longer than a mere 20-25 minutes from the time they came down Medicine Tail Coulee, to the time all the men were dead later on Last Stand Hill and Deep Ravine. Perhaps the final combat segment itself, from the Route of Co Company which started the dominos falling, to the deaths at the end, it was 20-25 minutes.....but there were far more moves, distance sniping, skirmishing and positioning, for far longer, between the time they hit Medicine Tail Ford Flats area @ 2:02 PM (local Sun time), the battalions rejoining @ 2:26 (at Calhoun Hill), Custers battalion leaving to move north @ 2:30, while Keogh deploys C,I & L around Calhoun Hill, t Custer going to for D and skirmishing there @2:45 then returning as C Company charged at @2:48 & was destroyed by @2:56, then L on Calhoun Hill around 10 minutes later, around 3:07 followed by I's collapse 5 minutes later @ 3:12 to the eventual flight of the tiny remnants of survivors r of the right wing, to meet up with Custers battalion on Last Stand Hill @ around 3:17, to the rough time of complete destruction on Last Stand Hill and Deep Ravine @ around 3:45.
20-25 minutes estimates for the fight seems logical...but *ONLY* to the Custer battalions portion of the fight on Last Stand Hill and Cemetery Ridge/Deep Ravine Basin. The Time from the fight at Medicine Tail Ford, back up deep coulee 1.25 miles to rejoin and meet to plan the next move, to rejoin at Calhoun Hill, to deploy, and for Custer to then scout another 1.5 miles miles northwest, skirmish at Ford D, then return 1 mile south east and then east to Last Stand Hill, to total destruction, was in fact, approximately 1 hour and 40 minutes.
There was time for a retreat to Calhoun Hill, time to redeploy C,I,L there to protect the 1st battalion's scouting and wait for Benteen....then time for Custer and his battalion with E & F to go all the way around battle ridge, all the way down to scout Ford D, engage in a skirmish, then retreat back to Cemetery ridge and LSH, as the move started (C Company charging into Calhoun Coulee)that started the collapse of Keogh's wing.
Unfortunately we will never know all the specifics, but the timeframe is very well established within rough parameters.
Thank you for the reply - I have studied this battle on and off for 20 years - you are well schooled and Thanks- I research peripheral characters and events - for example looking into newspaper archives and reading how Sitting Bull said "I have 8000 warriors and if the army comes near me - we will fight" an exaggeration I believe there were 2000 to 2500 warriors at LBH. But this was common knowledge in 1876. Many say the Indians had more firepower than Custer but they can't explain where the Indians got ammo after expending most all they had at the battle of the Rosebud. The Indians overwhelmed Custer in shear numbers and in those open plains the conflict was over quick. The 7th was a complete dysfunctional unit - Benteen hated Custer and didn't care much for Reno either - 2 years prior Custer denied Benteen leave to go be with Benteen sick daughter on which the daughter died - Benteen held a grudge on that and many other things - Benteen and Reno aligned for their professional interest - Did Custer get into the village and fight on that side of the river - some say there was evidence of this - Custer was in hot water with Grant on surfacing the fraud of Orville Geant General Belkamp and another General for kickbacks from Indian reservation funds. Concealment of knowledge didn't start with JFK it been going on along time. Once again thanks for your reply - on the Sitting Bull article the press was building this encounter up for months before battles and New York time got word and told of Rosebud on the 24th - I know there was a Korn inquiry back at Ft Lincoln and I have not seen this or found a copy yet - as to the route Korn traveled after crossing the River I was of the impression that he went east to west directly thru the village then on the outskirts made a southern direction until he ascended the hill meeting up with Pack train- if Korn hugged river area that would be where most of warriors were and it would be hard to get through I not sure on this matter
not sure you can go down to the river can you ? would love to metal detect down there
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Custer was at the LBH because the Sioux and Cheyenne were invading Crow land. He failed because of the treachery of Reno and Benteen with the backing of Grant.
On this ground there is plenty of places to hf snd not do good for fighting lots of places to hide and attack, but not easy to defend
What bothers me is, not just you, but everyone, calls it "Reno's Creek." at this point it's by a cluster of trees next to the Little Big Horn River. It was named "Reno's Creek" following the battle. Attention to small details is nerdish I know.
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Im surprised that Reno was even able to get out of there and up to defensive position.
Had he waited just a couple more minutes to disengage and head for the timber,i doubt any of his command would have made it to the timber...and then he even manages to extricate himself from the timber and escape to that hill..costly in casualties for sure,
Im sure Reno caught alot of criticism for disengaging at the end of the village,But with a tiny amount of soldiers to pick that fight?? I think Reno was right to get out of there
How about pressing the attack and cutting off or capturing the pony herd? By dismounting he simultaneously lost the initiative, all momentum and 25% of his combat strength (horse holders). Against increasing superior numbers, this guaranteed defeat
@@stuartjarman4930 if im not mistaken,Reno's attack was meant to draw warriors away from the opposite end of the village where Custer would begin his attack.
Reno did draw warriors towards his line i dont think he actually knew how many warriors there were..i dont know why he ordered a dismount and formed a skirmish line when he now knew he was drastically outnumbered.
As for the Pony herd,His orders were to attack the lower end of the village
not capture ponies.
Timber was way easier to defend than his next positions. He should have held the timber. WOuld have kept warriors busy, and given Custer less opposition
@@dunbar555 the timber was a good idea,Im just wondering what was happening that caused Reno to order troops to displace and head for the high ground?
High Ground is usually the best place to defend especially with a 360 degree view and clear firing arcs in all directions,downhill.
But the wooded area too provided protection and interference for any warriors attacking that position
@@getoffenit7827 fear is what caused that.
That hill wasn’t great at all. You could be shot at from every direction. I’ve been up here. Plus it’s in the sun with no cover or shade at all.
Timber was definitely a better place to be in that situation
Good To Set a trap
Run for your lives!
Big and brave while killing woman and kids but when the going gets tough,,,, run like rabbits.
That describes the Lakota and Cheyenne perfectly during the Tongue River massacre of the Crow. At the Little Bighorn the Lakota were able to take on some isolated companies of the 7th cavalry when they outnumbered them 10 to 1. They failed to drive the rest of the 7th from their positions on Reno Hill even with superior numbers and then packed up the camp and ran away.
OP -
How about Massacre Canyon when the Sioux slaughtered 100s of Pawnee men women and children while they were simply on a buffalo hunt?
@@USCFlash- I don’t think there were many angels on either side.
@@rcrinsea
I agree completely....that is why I object to people like the OP casting the hostile elements of Sioux and Cheyenne as these harmless eco-hippies, hanging out, dancing, playing the drums and doing nothing wrong.
bloody knife killed gauls family for revenge of gaul killing his family...
Great video, just hard to understand when things are shown from different views all of the sudden. One time we're looking up the hill and then suddenly we're looking down or left or whatever.
I think the timeline here is bad. If going off of what John Martin said. Custer was attacking in Ford B of medicine tail coulee within 5 minutes of Reno's first skirmish line. That put's him north and on the river way earlier than you have here. It is also thought he took his whole force down there with him. But was repulsed and it all started going to poo-poo for them very shortly after that. Multiple casualties and horses lost there at the first attempted ford. Native accounts corroborate this too. A bucksin wearing officer was shot there too. Recent speculation by Ranger Donahue has that officer as Kough. A few of the wounded were caught hiding at this ford at night and tortured in the camp during the Scalp dance ceremony. They had bloody knifes head on a damned stick- among others. Gaul was happy to see. After his family had been murdered...
Chief Gall is my great,great,great Grandfather. Hunkpapas engaged reno first and pushed him back. In our culture this battle is called Greasy Grass.
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