Bad Gear - The 100 € Behringer Challenge
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2020
- In this episode of Bad Gear, the show about the world's most hated audio tools, we will accept the 100 Euro Behringer Challenge.
Can we buy an entire oldschool Behringer home studio for under a hundred bucks? Will it work? Why would we want that?
Plus: a lot of unboxing, some ASMR, total meme overload and (my) reactions
Correction: the strike of the Music Tribe factory workers took place in 2017
Why spend tons of money on new gear to get that old muddy Boards of Canada sound when you can just use old muddy sounding gear for 100.00.
That hits the nail on the head😅
Goddamn that's a good comment.
Boards of Canada, I have read that name several times, but never heard their music.
Sometimes I imagine that if I do it will cause heavy nightmares of waterboarding, or that I have to start a snowboarding or skateboarding career.
dannyLEE lol The “boards” are referring to committee boards. As in “the board of education”. Some would say it refers to “bores” when referring to BOC if it’s not their cup of tea. But ya, when I first heard the name, I pictured surfers 🏄♀️ in cold Canadian waters or something weird. 😛
@@GrootsieTheDog thank you for this new information, I see..., I´m constructing my own kind of BOC in my imagination :D
I love how you let others pronounce "Behringer" for you haha all the different ways people say it made it priceless. Good humor!
Thanks!
@@AudioPilz I was wondering if all those people pronouncing "Behringer" worked for the company? :D
People say it differently? Strange.. Why don't say it accurately instead of making something up?
@@mrz80 Yup! It is actually made by the company, it is on their official channel.
@@bogdanalexandru4463 So how does Uli pronounce it? I figure if it's his name he ought to be the final authority on how it's supposed to be said?
Turns out, as of yesterday, you're allowed to use a Keystep in a Behringer-only jam!
It seems to turn into a comedy ;)
and a Waldorf synth.
Well, you gotta have sound *sources* to jam, and for the targeted time period UliVille wasn't making any sources. The synths didn't start rolling out the doors in Zhongshan until 2016*. At least you could say that the synths used were pre-existing conditions, so no additional money was forked out to get the bleeps and boops into the Behringer gear. So I say Florian gets a conditional pass for the conceptual ambiguity. :D
* - If anyone has a Deepmind 12 that they're just dying to give away lemme email you a shipping address :P
Some older Berhringer gear that failed on me was in continuous use. It would often be the powersupply that would go. In fairness something that was turned on for 5 years straight breaking down is pretty understandable.
On the other hand, there is a lot of audio gear that is turned on for decades straight and serviced in use
@@AudioPilz - usually not in the budget space but I get your point.
Behringer products lasting for 5 years? thats an outlier. youre just very lucky.
Yeah, my Uli 802 has been plugged-in and on for over 8 years and has developed noise issues. Would it have killed them to include a power switch?
I've been using a cheap Behringer EQ for over 12 years, even used it as a distortion unit by feeding it insane levels and cranking the input, still works to this day 🤷🏻♂️
I love the bilingual pronunciation clips,
“Zhongshan” was gold.
Thanks! It's dangerous to even try ;)
I particularly enjoyed the pronunciation debate clips - “beh-ring- gher” vs “bear-inj-err”
German native speaker here. Always funny to get one's name butchered :)
Everyone knows it's pronounced "Bo-ranger"
@@JDLesemajeste 🐻-⭕-air
@Contentibus surprisingly good reveb & fx
He took it from a behringer video where they take the piss out of themselves and the pronounciation. It was funny ua-cam.com/video/p6xFATEj3Z4/v-deo.html
Dude, these meme videos are priceless. + i really need the Airbase at some point in my life.
Thanks! Jomox 4 life!!!
Top drawer video action, man. Entertaining, and educational.
Nothing warms my heart faster than budget gear deployed with style and imagination. Hats off!
It warms my heart to hear this! THX!
wow this video is like a time capsule of the past
I know, it's creepy...
The icy reverb is amazingly good !
Yeah, surprisingly...
Hilarious video, one of your best I dare say, and I did NOT expect the intro to be what it was. Excellent!
I think it's pretty interesting what can happen when limitations force one to become extra creative. I tend to have better results with synths that aren't overly complicated for that reason. That, and I'm extremely indecisive so lots of options will result in endless hours of me noodling around and never actually recording anything.
Thank you!
There are some real gems among the 90's Behri stuff, believe it or not :) The Composer compressor is actually not bad at all and the Ultrafex exciter is actually an awesome piece of gear if you're not too heavy handed. I have the Tube version and it sits happily next to a few pieces of hi-end gear. Their Bass V-amp pro served me very well, too.
you should do more of these challenges!
Great idea, thanks for posting!
You are great man! Very good ideas and put together! Thanks!
Thanks!
discovered your channel today and i really like your videos and the humor
Thanks!
I was expecting a multi-track recording of a TD-3 through the Virtualizer. Instead - sequencing by Arturia and the Rocket as a soundsource. That's cheating! :)
Agreed, that would have been 100 bucks too;)
Dammmn I love your channel mate. Tons of support from Colombia.
Thanks!
I'm starting to get your idea about "bad gear". Subbed.
Welcome to the channel!
I've been blessed by discovering your channel today
Thank you so much!
This is undoubtedly my favorite subscription in the history of my YouTubing experience. You are the yin to my Divkid yang. Thanks for saving me cold hard unemployment cash.
This is one of the most heartwarming comments I have read in a long time. Thank you!
I enjoyed this ((Behringer)) video covering early ((Behringer)) gear. Reminded me of the old ((Behringer)) mixer and compressor I started out with and used for about 6 years.
My production and mixing skills at the time were so appalling that I have no idea if the desk sounded good or bad.
Thanks, Alex! Blast from the past for me as well. Old Behringer stuff still doesn't make life easier ;)
Dude your editing skills 💯
Thanks, man!
I'm here because this video was mentioned in the latest Bad Gear episode.....this grand glimpse into the distant past...
Thanks! It's been 84 years;)
Subscribed! Great vids man... keep em coming.
Thank you so much!
I love your videos!! Absolute entertainment!
Thanks!
Dude, love your content!
Thanks!
This was a great one... everyone has some behringer stuff somewhere on their setup..
Absolutely, it's like duct tape ;)
@@AudioPilz I bought a bunch of those little UCA-202 USB interfaces. A couple of 'em are in the streaming audio setup at church, and I keep one one hand to hook up to the tape outs on the stereo to digitize LPs that I pick up at the Friends of the Library sale. Long as you watch the levels it's a perfectly adequate little interface, and at 30 clams or occasionally less, why not get a bunch of 'em? And I may well get one of their little mixers for my stage setup at church.
Top production. Gets the point across.
I'm ao happy I stumbled apon this channel!!
So am I
Behringer the Robinhood of the Musicans!
...and (according to what I've heard) the Sheriff of Nottingham for its employees
@@AudioPilz Bummer
Thank you for excellent sense of humor.
Thank you for yours!
Awesome video, I really enjoyed this one! Also, that weightlifter at 4:07 really cracked me up for some reason.
Thanks! ARNOLD!!!
Wow, your editing has gotten MUCH MUCH better lmfao.
Thank you 😅
Pure hilarity and truth here man. Great vids. I'm not the biggest Behringer fan ever but they do have a place and the value cannot be beat.
Peace
Thanks!
My first guitar was a Behringer strat clone. I felt bad for the person I sold it to when I got another one.
I assumed that those guitars were not Fender custom shop specs ;)
That's nearly the way I've done my very first demos about 20 years ago. It worked well so far.
Simpler times!
Heh, your videos are awesome:) I like the way you tell the story and topics that you touch:) almost all my home setup is built around them and its done its job:) With soldering skills its possible to push these products far better but its another story:) And again extremly nice videos:)
THX!!!
If it weren't for behringer, we wouldn't have studios and musical events in Brazil...
Note: I didn't say that we have good studios or that the brand's equipment is cheap here.
True that, you can get stuff going for next to nothing!
The mocking of Lars Ulrich is kind of a running gag in her i reckon xD
Best. Drummer. Ever.
The flat sounds is why my studio went from Mackie to Behringer back in the day. The last thing I want is the type of coloration added by Mackie boards or Focusrite Scarlett preamps today.
Behringer really upped the game over the last few years
Damn that jam w/the rocket was wicked!!! Is there an extended version?
Sorry, not for that one
I just realized... I recently purchased a medieval torture device *cough* Behringer compact mixer for my church guitar/synth setup :D. It's actually a pretty darned solid little bit of kit, esp. compared to a lot of the other "low end" "inexpensive" baby mixers out there.
Yeah, these are hard to kill;)
The first gear I ever bought was the pair of Behringer studio monitors B3030A Truth. It was 9 years ago and I am using them up to today. The quality is surprisingly good
LOL your memes are the best
Thank you!!!
Ive been watching audiopilz for months now and this is the oldest and weirdly one of the funniest videos ive seen
Thank you!!!
I did a last minute, “stand in,” mixing gig for a friend’s band. When i showed the bass player brought me a.... very old behringer mixer. 🙂
What can i say, it got the job done.🤷♂️
Know that feeling. It usually does!
Preiset das Audioschwammerl!
Daungsche!
lol thank you very fun episode, makes me wanna buy one of those virtualizer now XD
The Virtualizer as actually pretty good
@@AudioPilz thank you for the recommandation :p fortunately I have already a good amount of cheap rack effect units, so no "cheap rack craving" for now but I'll keep that in mind ;)
Those Behringer sound bites killed me! 🤣
I have an 802 mixer exactly like the one you bought - and I love it! Had it for years and it's never been a hassle. (Bought it at a pawn shop, not new.)
It works like a charm
Hey when you said you already heard this tune in the intro, you should really just play 5 seconds of the track again cause I can’t remember what the intro sounded like cause I wasn’t critically listening to it
I was hoping for another view from you😅
@@AudioPilz This is one of the greatest responses to a comment EVAR! You have style, class, and capitalism. No wonder you’re a Bond fan ;)
I have a few items from them and considering the cost I am quite satisfied - with one exception: The audio interface. I bought one that looked like yours at 2:45 except that it was red. It was very noisy. Not just hiss but there was also a sound in the background that sort of resembled an old floppy drive. I never used it after the first disappointment.
That audio interface indeed sucks really bad
I've got three or four of their UCA202 interfaces (looks like yours only silver-grey). They sound okay enough for transcribing LPs into my laptop via the tape out on the stereo, but one of the ones we were using at church had hella USB power noise issues on the outputs, a constant high pitched whine that was not *quite* inaudible. Only one of the units exhibited the problem, so uh, yay quality control? :D
New Behringer gear ; whole other story Crave , Neutron , Model D , most of the effect pedals from the last 5+ years , all really decent and still crazy affordable
So true, they really upped their game
Behringer has mostly turned itself around. HOWEVER, their DJ mixers are still a crime against humanity.
The first Behringer device I bought was a BCF2000 midi controller with motorized faders around 2005. This thing is still great. I avoided most other Behringer gear for the next 10 years until they started making some decent mixers and analog guitar pedals (which I completely recommend for those on a budget).
Worked a lot with BCFs. Great original Behringer gear!
Wow! I've didn't thought that Uli is that old! Now I'm starting to understand some of the design choices in their synths... If I get the process right.
Nice job, Florian!
Thank you so much, man!
2:16 That's my favorite B E H R I N G E R
The pronunciation or the mixer?
@@AudioPilz pronunciation obv
Pretty much any time I had equipment that just stopped working, it was Behringer. Especially those little unserviceable buttons that just stop *buttoning*
As is tradition, it stopped working during live shows in front of a lot of people😂😂😂
Don't blame the tools!
I'd never!
sometimes i use a old midiverb 2 in conjunction with the klark reverb unit in my behringer mixer, and I love that sound. Sounds nothing natural, but it colors the sound in a nice way for lush strings.
Love the midiverb for synthetic sound scapes
Behringer Composer Pro and Virtualizer are classics! The former is probably the best noise gate of that era (if ever). The Virtualizer, irritating to configure, but the DSP is solid! The gates on the Virtualizer! Probably the most underrated and understated DSP of the old hardware gear.
Hahaha. This was brilliant! :D
Thanks!
Who else wants this episode again? How about a $1000 Roland challenge?
Buys you 20% of an original 808;)
Putting a Effects unit in a nerf gun box.
Now what’s what I call DIY.
I like that can-do attitude😅
AudioPilz
I do it all the time.
Behringer. The Rough Country of Audio Gear.
;)
That Jam was dope, ("Uli Behringer just cloned your mom", lol that killed me). I have some Behringer gear, specially guitar gear (amps, pedals), And I'm ok with them. The quality has improved in recent years but even yet, there are some old gear that has become "collectible" for some reason, like some guitar pedals that now are very hard to find. And now that they are focused on synths they are getting good reception. I've noticed that the most of people that give bad critics to Behringer usually focused his hate in the fact of some of their gear are made of plastic or any cheap material. Not for be "terrible". But I've heard that they had some quality control issues on their first years and there was some probability of get a defective product.
Thanks! Back in the 90s and early zero years working with Behringer stuff was hell. The brand changed profoundly!
I've had good and bad luck with (bay-Ring-her!) gear over the years. Used an 802 mixer for awhile until I got ahold of my Focusrite Scarlett and realized I could get better audio going direct through that - it sits in my closet now. Also bought an Ultra-G direct box/cabinet emulator for my guitar amp - the cab simulation had more hiss than signal, though as a straight DI box with the sim bypassed it works fine (I understand getting a good Ultra-G is a crapshoot at best). Also had one of their brown stomp compressors for awhile - sucked all the bass and mids out of the signal! (Replaced that with a JangleBox, which is a must if you record electric 12-string and Strats).
The ones I do like are the SuperFuzz SF300 stomp (plastic case and all, has two basic settings, Cramps and Fu Manchu). And the UFO202 USB audio interface has gained cult status in the Hackintosh community as a quick and dirty way to get audio working on our builds while we sort out getting the onboard audio to work, and again sounds fine.
Thanks for the JangleBox suggestion. Didn't know that one
got the tingles bro!!
That's a good thing!
those old mixing tables from Bhehrinhgher were working like a charm during 6 months, after you need WD40. Not especially for the model you get, without faders (lol), but the 16 fader ones.
Yeah, these didn't age so well
the WD40 thing reminds me of my first DJ Mixer by reloop 😂
Hilarious. And so true. How to record any single takes with a single Model D without hearing knob crackles. Let alone 4 chained in a row is one of the greatest mysteries in modern times.
Thanks! I thought the D was clean...
I just love this channel. Great video! Somehow I’m kinda attracted to cheap “vintage” gear.. I guess that’s why we’re all here right? Starting the debate here, Do you guys think Behringer has improved its quality in the last years?
Behringer is still controversial but in another way ;)
I started playing my MicroKorg through the Behringer Ultragain tube pre amp after watching this video and I haven't stopped since... because... well, it sounds pretty good. Like a match made in bad gear heaven.... oh and for some extra bad gear spice, I run it through the Line6 M5 stompbox modeller - a much hated guitar pedal that has... midi??
Remarkable preamp for the money!
I’ve got one of those preamps and I use it with my 4 track and it sounds pretty decent to me
Those surprised me in a good way
Cool gear bro! 🎛🎚🔌
Does its job. THX, bro!
Still using the old Behringer mixer and audio interface I got in ~2009. They're both pretty bad, but it just hasn't been a big enough issue yet to spend $200+ to fix.
They do work (most of the time;)
Low-key *in love* with Old Behringer's Ultraverb Pro... a unit so good, they immediately filled it with glue and took it off the market
🔊👂💯➡️🗑️
That one truly surprised me, nice machine!
They did WHAT now?
I'am using a 8x10 Basscabinet from Bäh 'ringer since 15+ years with our semiprofessionell hard Rock coverband. This thing has seen hundrets of stages and citys and rough stagehands......an it still works.
Nowadays it is more of a statement for me than a cheap solution to use my trusty old Bechäinger.
Thanx for your Video.
Oh..btw.:And I love my new crave!
The crave, I was sooooo close to just ordering it so many times;)
@@AudioPilz ...do it! You will not regret it.
@4:09 man did that sound warm!
;)
Can you do the Roland JS-30,with and without the Roland PMA-5?,Love Your Videos Brother!
Thanks! Didn't know the Roland! Great idea!
Great reverb
Surprised me as well
this video was made with extra caffeine
IV drip espresso style!
I had an 8 channel mixer with FX. It's led screen lights broke 1 by 1. I had 1 of the DJ Pioneer wannabe mixers. The crossfader was SO bad sold it quick. The Neutron sounds nice. Wish it could store presets. Don't think I need it. May get it.
Behringer is a mixed bag...
Still use two of those preamps for sampling and tracking drums. Works well
It surprised me - in a good way...
wow, also deine video edit skills würde ich gerne haben. echt cool!
Besten Dank!
Word on the street is that Ultrarack mixers used to spontaneously go on fire! But they made some funny noise in the power supply or something as an early warning sign I think, so there was no need to worry. I've got some Behringer in my own basement (bedroom shelf), mainly my first poverty student setup of a Xenyx USB and an Xm8500 which despite the amount of people who praise that mic, I found it made me sound like...a paper bag. Where other cheap mics sound thin and brittle, Behringer remedies this by instead making their mics dull and muddy and just as harsh. The newer UMC interfaces are an absolute steal though, despite the Hi-Z mode unfortunately having a similiar trademark tone to the XM8500 when used with humbuckers.
I've seen many online speak badly of the old AKG C1000 saying it's the worst mic they ever used. It doesn't appear to get much love from anyone, except interestingly enough for the engineers at KEXP who always use it for hi-hats. Sounds like a candidate for a future episode.
Not word on the streets - scientific fact;) Always hated the C1000 but made quite some nice recordings with it...
I LOL'd, even to an old sub par performing engineer this was funny af.
Thanks!
I love the microphone
It's actually pretty nice
@@AudioPilz Free percussive samples just by turning the microphone. I wonder how many different ones you can get out of it. And i mean there's little to worry about, i think it's just a 16mm electret, so it's not like there's some delicate exposed membrane or anything, so it should be fine.
The only product that quickly died in less than one year of usage was Behringer Firewire I got in 2009 with podcast studio bundle (total around 140 eur). For many years later (around 13), I really exploited C1U and regular one for both music production and online teaching without any failure - each of them paid circa 50 euros. However, their sound is really dry and raw and needs proper processing and further handling in order to sound well.
So much Behringer gear over the years. They really upped their game tho
@@AudioPilz Totally agree, still in a big doubt whether to spend some money on their 303 clone. Looks impressive, but considering that I have original Roland Groovebox with 303 functionality included as well, still don’t think that it would be a wise decision.
i really liked it
Thanks! You can actually work with that stuff (although you might prefer not to)
Geil gemacht💪
Danke!
coole idee!
Vielen Dank!
I've recently decided to avoid Behringer products not because the gear is bad, but because the way they do business is bad. They sue forum goes who complain about their gear, mock critics of their products and are overall toxic bullies on the playground. Not recommended. Watch some videos by Benn Jordan on the subject if you want to know more.
Yeah, Ben's vids are great!
in 1999 me and my mates started a sound system, at the beginning we used a behringer xover, one day we bought a second hand dbx; that only change made our stuff sound twice as loud and present and way much punchyer. Since that day i hate beringer, oh and let's not even talk about theyre power supplies.... (turning that compresser on must of reminded things to a lot of people)
The compressor bit was not faked, believe me 😅
maybe make a 100 euro challenge with only analogue gear, would like to see what cheap stuff you could find!
Great suggestion but 100 € might be a bit too limiting. A Korg Monotron and a tapedeck?
@@AudioPilz well you could up the price to 200, but more than 400 i think would be too much, OR you could change it to include SOME digital stuff like a workstation but you'd still have to record and do everything outside of the daw (like the olden' days)
Maybe even solder your own synth together! with cheap electronic parts!
Let me jump in with some extra info... I compulsively bought their first analog modules, the Neutron and Model D. So, after less then 2 years of use, both share the same damn problem - the volume knob that's already cracking at every touch. I wonder if it's a common thing, I would bet that it will be aknowledged by more and more buyers. That being said, they still do sound huge + I wish they would still be building the full old pedal line. The digital delay, the Memory Man clone, of dear - still, the ones they're still releasing are worth every dime. imho. Actually, the digital delay is already selling SH at around 80 bucks. Finders Keepers :)
Yeah, Behringer is a double-edged sword...
Have you tried using any contact cleaner on them? Cracking as in crackle?
Behringer are such a strange company, their clones of Roland Analogy gear is really good to my ear, i have the 101 & the 303 clones.
Both sound good, think so far the 101 is the best as the originals went for so much money for so long £1,000+.
Having a serious autoimmune illness being ill & in lock down waiting for surgery.
I can’t work as a sound tech/engineer, I owned a sound system with a friend & the Behringer X-over limiter was really good for some reason.
My friend recommended getting it, as my background was in DJ’ing with a bit of production ( it’s more production now), I was really not sure, had bought really good British amps Matrix amps to power out sound system.
To be fair to Behringer it was a good price of kit that never failed protected the amps & speaker cones, ever when bad DJ’s playing dubstep were in the red on their mixer, we would turn it down on our mixing desk.
The only time it fail was when we did a soundsystem link up in a venue the owner told us could handle nearly 10k if sound.
The venues trip switch went as a DJ once again redlined a drop as he had illegally downloaded the track.
Behringer, pioneer copy mixers were the worst, as I got more gigs, if the gig was local or used our sound system or was a night we helped put on.
Due how bad the sound was on a behringer ( plus so many DJ’s redline on a night) especially when clipping or somehow the que buttons would work in reverse plus stuff like the mixer just cutting out even in the green.
The low, mid & High frequency knobs not lowering the frequency’s for a decent mix.
I bought an Ecler & would just install it myself set up limits on the mixer so DJ could not go crazy they could just look at use on the desk to put the sound up.
Allen & health were good Mixer’s, they had the volume pots on the back of the mixer, near the outs so you could set them to a decent level and most DJ’s did not know they were their so it forced them to trust us on volume levels or for them to use the faders.
Now Behringer seem to have cracked cheap products that sound good.
Saying this my TD3 and TD101 will most likely fall apart next time I use them.
All the best!
Otherwise great work... I love the vids
Thanks!
Behringer macht seine Arbeit sehr gut in dieser Preisklasse und nach 20 Jahren müssen sich die meisten eh eingestehen, daß nicht mehr so viel Geld in der Brieftasche existiert, als zuvor.
Behringer hat sich wirklich entwickelt!
I own the preamp. Gets the job done.
...and a little more, too. Nice distortion box!
2:05 OMG did Behringer make a clone of the MidiVerb???
0:51 And it got onto the shelf before it was opened, via the same time portal which brought the MFB 501?
Oh I guess that's the Ultramizer on the shelf. They all look like chrome Alesis modules to me and I want them.
The Virtualizer is actually pretty rad;)