I worked as a paralegal in a criminal law office many decades ago, and I have the utmost respect for all the lawyers at that firm. They were all honest and always tried to conduct themselves in a highly ethical manner.
I recently hired your firm and spoke with the lawyer who has been assigned my case. He was very thorough and honest regarding th potential outcome. I am hoping for a positive outcome in this matter but I am optimistic.
I am in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. I actually talked myself out of getting a possible DUI charge, BUT I was NOT drinking...not a drop. I have been educating myself for over 10 years on Canadian Law and mostly interactions with police on different levels. I was stopped very late at night because I get off work at midnight and like to unwind by driving around my City while enjoying a coffee. Even though the police need no reason to stop you or give you a DUI test, he said I was driving very slow past the closed businesses, so I looked like I was prowling. I know how to keep a cop calm, as he approached my car, I had all the tinted windows lowered, all dome lights on, paper work on the dash, and my 2 hands protruding out the driver's window to show I am not concealing anything in my hands. He asked me for my paperwork, then asked where am I coming from. I explained to him that, respectfully, I will not answer any questions not relevant to the traffic stop until the traffic stop has been concluded. After the traffic stop has concluded, I will then ask you if I am still detained, and if you say I am detained, I will explain that I have nothing to say, and that I would like to speak to a duty counsel lawyer as soon as possible. I then said that I will be timing the traffic stop to determine if I have grounds for arbitrary detention if and when I file a police complaint with the Halifax Police Complaints Commissioner's Office, 1692 Hollis St, Third Floor, last door on the left. He then became "slightly" agitated but still respectful and asked if I had been drinking tonight, I remember reading that it's in my best interest to answer that one question, even if I don't have to, so I quickly said "No". He then said that he is going to perform a Roadside Sobriety Test on me and for me to exit the vehicle and stand in front of his car. Before exiting my car, I raised all windows, turned the dome lights off, locked the car with the valet key, but left the ignition in the "on" position. As soon as I got out, he asked why do I have my phone on a lanyard around my neck. I said I am recording him and that Canadian Law stipulates that I can record a police officer in public in the course of his duties, as long as I don't interfere or obstruct ... I said having my phone on record, on my chest is in no way interference, if you think it is interference, please call a Supervisor. He attempted to administer a nystagmus test, but I interrupted him and said that I prefer if you continued the test in front of my car instead of in front of his car. He asked why...I said there are a number of reasons, you have flashing lights on your police car and your headlights are still on, and I would be facing traffic, facing oncoming headlights at night, all of which can cause a false positive when administrating the nystagmus test...or do you want me to fail? He said " Well, why in front of your car", I said that I can turn facing away from your cars lights then, and I have a very high quality, 1440K 60 fps dash cam that is still running ( I left the key in the "one" position), and I would like to record the actual SRST procedure. He said that I already have my phone on record, what's the sense? I said to him that I am forced under Canadian Law to take this test, but YOU are obligated by law to perform this test flawlessly. I then said that there are 25 steps alone that you are required to perform in order to JUST administer the nystagmus test alone, 25 is a lot of things to remember. Failure to hold the pen at the proper distance, moving the pen too fast or too slow are just 2 of them, and of course, the dash cam and phone will record if you make the mistake of "looping." He hesitated and then said to me with a half a smile " Are you a lawyer?" ...I said " No, I am NOT a lawyer, I am also NOT a chef, but I can cook a roast perfectly." He said that he is concluding the SRST based on the fact that he is satisfied that I have not been drinking. He said that I am " sure-footed", no glassy or watery eyes, no muscle tremors, no signs of agitation and definitely no signs of slurred speech, and he mentioned that my car's paperwork is in order, my driver's license has no prior infractions and my car is in proper mechanical order. 10 YEARS, I have been educating myself on police interactions with the public, and it kinda paid off that night. I have practiced performing roadside sobriety tests over 200 times now, so that I will not be suckered into their " divided attention" tests in the dark of the night. PS: To anybody not Canadian reading this, as of 2018, in Canada, the police can now stop you for no reason, just to check you out, and they can demand you take a roadside sobriety test, and also demand a breath sample from you. You cannot speak to a lawyer before performing these tests. If you refuse, not only are you instantly charged, but all your fines are now doubled. Only under reasonable suspicion can Canadian police demand you take a roadside saliva test to check for consumption of drugs.
Do you think reasonable suspicion could include pupil dilation? Just wondering if it were night time and with a flashlight if that would have a keg to stand on. So cool that you knew as much as you did about the roadside.. Where did you learn their procedure?
I got a DUI in a commercial vehicle they gave me one ticket that says I got pulled on the right date and in the wrong truck and the other ticket say I got pulled on the wrong date in the right truck and I think I should get this drop on technicality
Im in the middle of a dui case as im typing this message. The thought of an agreement as an innocent person blows my mind. Why would you suggest a compromise?
I live in Nebraska, I few months ago I was charged with a DUID I blew a 0.0 the police then took me to the police station where they took my urine sample and they found marijuana in my system I told them that I was not high at the time of my arrest and it’s been a few days since I smoked, do I have a chance at beating my case? My trial is next week.
Yes challenge that. I would have refuse the urinal test. I blew and it was 0 so I am not impaired. They make $$ thousands of dollar on DUI case even if you are innocent
So my lawyer never went over the case with me and said he’ll “handle it” I’m nervous what does that mean? He never heard my part of the story. Should I get another lawyer or what.
Are the prosecutors and the judges responsible for knowing the evidence and problems like that they might have in the case and isn’t that the point behind why they would not pick up the charges in the first place?
I got pulled over for speeding just over 7mph and cop believed I was drinking and driving and asked me to take the breathalyzer and I refused. Do I have a chance to beat it?
@@AboutThatLifeKZ my lawyer called me today like he knew I’d been searching UA-cam for answers but he’s saying I have a good chance of it getting dropped tomorrow will update
Do you also try to get people off who have caused an accident where innocent people have died or been seriously injured and children no longer have a mother or father and lives are changed forever. God forbid the police didn't dot an I or cross a T the proper way. Will you be there for them, do you visit the victims in then hospital or go to services of those who have died or do you spend all your time looking for typos in the state's case and getting your clients off so you can charge the highest fees? Something maybe legal in a sense but it does not make it right. Personal accountability sadly is rarely around these days and we look for ' outs ' instead of owning up to our actions.
What f no one is killed or injured? Or God forbid the cops are shady, or just plain dicks and you aren’t under the influence. A lot of what ifs that don’t mean shit…
Do you think there’s a case to be made for simply growing up and becoming a responsible adult instead of drinking and driving and putting other peoples lives at risk because the driver is a psychological adolescent and still can’t abandon their own desires?
@@BryanKirch I totally understand. We learn daily. Anybody at any given part of life, is growing. Sometimes it just takes a little patience to get there. I was just thinking of the scenario of the fact that we have all these bars open at any given time and everything available to us. You know people are out there at least having a few above the limit and driving. The statistics just tell us this. That's why it's so easy to get out of control and upset over a simple scenario. I have known to be wrong many times throughout my life. I like the tasteful way that you brought up this point. I was being totally childish. Was probably even drunk at the time. I guess I have been through so many traumas, so I was looking for an easy way out. That's what we need these days is understanding for each other and to see our different point of views. Thank you. Sometimes I just feel that we are over complicating things and simplicity feels so good.
@@BryanKirch I really understand. I just made a comment to a friend that I went to school with that is now a great author. He wrote a book on PTSD for soldiers called the mirror and he did a sequel called the broken mirror. His name is Billy Stevens. When I told him a basic overview of my worldview he said that I could be a novelist and to take notes on things that come to mind. I'll try to see if I can post what I originally said to him as to what is going on with the world in general right now.
@@BryanKirchokay, here is what I said that he feels has potential... The current time we live in, there's no such thing as worldview. There's only one reality and play that is happening right before our eyes. Back in 2020, principalities and Powers were summoned by Satan. The whole world stopped. Why, because people that don't understand will not follow the word of God and are easy puppets for The Prince and power of the air to control. Think about this. There was not one group of people that did this. When Jesus was tempted by Satan to gain the whole world, it's his to give. The same distraction is happening right now before our eyes. At the time of the falling away of the church, the Antichrist is revealed. That has already happened in the late 80s. The Antichrist was being interviewed by Oprah and many other people asking whether he would like to be president or not of the most powerful, in appearance, country in the world. At that time, he said no, but he was still commenting from the sidelines. He became president once and will come to power again. I can't believe that people can't see what is really going on. It seems so obvious because we have Hollywood and all these other distractions. It is literally playing out exactly the way it said it would. EXACTLY. Fast forward, the Antichrist will come to power again. When he does, he will make a covenant and break it halfway through. Don't believe me? Watch how it plays out. The US dollar that is the standard for the world will fall. Cryptocurrency will come into play. With cryptocurrency you need no bank. Just a string of letters and numbers that is your "Mark". It can all be tracked through the blockchain. If you don't believe this again, research it. Money can be turned off just like that. Every "wallet" can be tracked with every transaction. The image of the Beast (Beast being a kingdom), will probably be artificial intelligence. It was given a mouth to blaspheme God. What do I think we should do? Exactly what Jesus said to. Love God with all of our heart and our neighbor as our self. There's no time to be distracted. This is going down worldwide. It is extremely serious and determines our Fate for all of eternity. I am not saying this because I want to influence people one by one. I am saying this because it was shown to me, and I care. Not trying to one-up anyone or anything like that. We are all in the same boat. There is one major narrative going on right now and it just has been exposed. It says in the last days the love of many will wax cold because of so much violence going on. We are seeing that as well right now. People have been lovers of self and not God, including myself. Just like it says, people will say Lord Lord I did all this stuff, and he will say I never knew you. The most important thing right now is, Does Jesus know us? I know this is hard to comprehend because of all we've been conditioned to. When I say that Satan is the prince and power of the air, that includes airwaves. He has built a web all over the world because he can't be everywhere at once. He is influencing us through all the media that he has available to use. Please take heed. I have nothing to gain. I love everyone. I'm just saying before anyone loves themselves, the left or the right, play stand back and think of this whole scenario. It's much much more serious than what we could ever imagine. Please tell me what you think.
Facing my second dui charge with marijuana first case got fucked with a public defender and gave my urine and was found guilty first offense dui but my second offense I did not give urine test and was not caught with anything officers just thought I was impaired nothing else anyone else been through this
How often were people even driving? That’s the basic part you are already skipping over. If you aren’t being paid to drive at the time, you’re not driving. Period.
You keep saying contey but isn't it FEDERAL law??? So what's the county have to do with it ??? Do you mean that county Federal rep ? The whole county thing throws me off and makes me think of USA laws.... grrrr
How often were people even driving? That’s the basic part you are already skipping over. If you aren’t being paid to drive at the time, you’re not driving. Period.
I worked as a paralegal in a criminal law office many decades ago, and I have the utmost respect for all the lawyers at that firm. They were all honest and always tried to conduct themselves in a highly ethical manner.
New Jersey lawyers are crooks.It's state law and no idea what you're doing is.Take your money and judges don't give a shit
If you're a lawyer in New Jersey, just take the client's money.Because it's state law and there's nothing good about it.Your crooks u p s is
I recently hired your firm and spoke with the lawyer who has been assigned my case. He was very thorough and honest regarding th potential outcome. I am hoping for a positive outcome in this matter but I am optimistic.
I am in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.
I actually talked myself out of getting a possible DUI charge, BUT I was NOT drinking...not a drop.
I have been educating myself for over 10 years on Canadian Law and mostly interactions with police on different levels.
I was stopped very late at night because I get off work at midnight and like to unwind by driving around my City while enjoying a coffee.
Even though the police need no reason to stop you or give you a DUI test, he said I was driving very slow past the closed businesses, so I looked like I was prowling.
I know how to keep a cop calm, as he approached my car, I had all the tinted windows lowered, all dome lights on, paper work on the dash, and my 2 hands protruding out the driver's window to show I am not concealing anything in my hands.
He asked me for my paperwork, then asked where am I coming from. I explained to him that, respectfully, I will not answer any questions not relevant to the traffic stop until the traffic stop has been concluded. After the traffic stop has concluded, I will then ask you if I am still detained, and if you say I am detained, I will explain that I have nothing to say, and that I would like to speak to a duty counsel lawyer as soon as possible.
I then said that I will be timing the traffic stop to determine if I have grounds for arbitrary detention if and when I file a police complaint with the Halifax Police Complaints Commissioner's Office, 1692 Hollis St, Third Floor, last door on the left.
He then became "slightly" agitated but still respectful and asked if I had been drinking tonight, I remember reading that it's in my best interest to answer that one question, even if I don't have to, so I quickly said "No".
He then said that he is going to perform a Roadside Sobriety Test on me and for me to exit the vehicle and stand in front of his car.
Before exiting my car, I raised all windows, turned the dome lights off, locked the car with the valet key, but left the ignition in the "on" position.
As soon as I got out, he asked why do I have my phone on a lanyard around my neck. I said I am recording him and that Canadian Law stipulates that I can record a police officer in public in the course of his duties, as long as I don't interfere or obstruct ... I said having my phone on record, on my chest is in no way interference, if you think it is interference, please call a Supervisor.
He attempted to administer a nystagmus test, but I interrupted him and said that I prefer if you continued the test in front of my car instead of in front of his car.
He asked why...I said there are a number of reasons, you have flashing lights on your police car and your headlights are still on, and I would be facing traffic, facing oncoming headlights at night, all of which can cause a false positive when administrating the nystagmus test...or do you want me to fail?
He said " Well, why in front of your car", I said that I can turn facing away from your cars lights then, and I have a very high quality, 1440K 60 fps dash cam that is still running ( I left the key in the "one" position), and I would like to record the actual SRST procedure.
He said that I already have my phone on record, what's the sense?
I said to him that I am forced under Canadian Law to take this test, but YOU are obligated by law to perform this test flawlessly.
I then said that there are 25 steps alone that you are required to perform in order to JUST administer the nystagmus test alone, 25 is a lot of things to remember. Failure to hold the pen at the proper distance, moving the pen too fast or too slow are just 2 of them, and of course, the dash cam and phone will record if you make the mistake of "looping."
He hesitated and then said to me with a half a smile " Are you a lawyer?" ...I said " No, I am NOT a lawyer, I am also NOT a chef, but I can cook a roast perfectly."
He said that he is concluding the SRST based on the fact that he is satisfied that I have not been drinking. He said that I am " sure-footed", no glassy or watery eyes, no muscle tremors, no signs of agitation and definitely no signs of slurred speech, and he mentioned that my car's paperwork is in order, my driver's license has no prior infractions and my car is in proper mechanical order.
10 YEARS, I have been educating myself on police interactions with the public, and it kinda paid off that night.
I have practiced performing roadside sobriety tests over 200 times now, so that I will not be suckered into their " divided attention" tests in the dark of the night.
PS: To anybody not Canadian reading this, as of 2018, in Canada, the police can now stop you for no reason, just to check you out, and they can demand you take a roadside sobriety test, and also demand a breath sample from you.
You cannot speak to a lawyer before performing these tests.
If you refuse, not only are you instantly charged, but all your fines are now doubled.
Only under reasonable suspicion can Canadian police demand you take a roadside saliva test to check for consumption of drugs.
Oh man, you are like a movie hero. I never heard any story like that. Genius!
Do you think reasonable suspicion could include pupil dilation? Just wondering if it were night time and with a flashlight if that would have a keg to stand on. So cool that you knew as much as you did about the roadside.. Where did you learn their procedure?
What do they do if you are disabled.
He could tell you weren't impaired so what probable cause was there to arrest you?
I am amazed to see this piece right after watching one about a man who had his 10th DUI right before he drove drunk and killed someone. Imagine that.
Canadian or American? ....It's jail time in Canada, so this is why I ask...but hey, I could be wrong.
That is a very rare incident.I'm sorry for his family and him.And a person he killed does not like all other people
I wish this guy was in the US to help me with a Civil case. Most lawyers can't remember the day of the week.
My wife's brother has failed so many times at trying to " pass the bar" that I wouldn't use him for a traffic ticket court case.
😂😂😂
im in The Bronx New york Does what it apply
I got a DUI in a commercial vehicle they gave me one ticket that says I got pulled on the right date and in the wrong truck and the other ticket say I got pulled on the wrong date in the right truck and I think I should get this drop on technicality
Im in the middle of a dui case as im typing this message.
The thought of an agreement as an innocent person blows my mind.
Why would you suggest a compromise?
I live in Nebraska, I few months ago I was charged with a DUID I blew a 0.0 the police then took me to the police station where they took my urine sample and they found marijuana in my system I told them that I was not high at the time of my arrest and it’s been a few days since I smoked, do I have a chance at beating my case? My trial is next week.
Yes challenge that. I would have refuse the urinal test. I blew and it was 0 so I am not impaired. They make $$ thousands of dollar on DUI case even if you are innocent
how did it go
How did it go
So my lawyer never went over the case with me and said he’ll “handle it” I’m nervous what does that mean? He never heard my part of the story. Should I get another lawyer or what.
learn ur ucc laws and public law study the constitutions!!! u can represent yourself!!! suri Juris
Ineffective counsel.
@@maureenobrien4807 what does that mean?
How did your case go
How did everything go
Are the prosecutors and the judges responsible for knowing the evidence and problems like that they might have in the case and isn’t that the point behind why they would not pick up the charges in the first place?
Just got one and learning NC only lets you plead guilty or not guilty. There are no plea deals offered.
Same here. Did you get any more info?
.08 is the legal limit can it get thrown out
If I have a prescription medication is my best defence I wasn't under the influence right plz reply
Nope they'll still arrest you
$ 10 k Cost minimum
Ok so I'm in California still have a dui case in 2020 before covid how can I get to talk to a judge so I can start dui classes
I would love to hire this lawyer but how
Read your oath to all then talk about fuditiary requirements
I got pulled over for speeding just over 7mph and cop believed I was drinking and driving and asked me to take the breathalyzer and I refused. Do I have a chance to beat it?
yup you can
Seven mph over, really...really? Were you on a military base?
Did it go good? I have a similar situation and court tomorrow
@@dcapjunk yes I had a good lawyer. Fight it.
@@AboutThatLifeKZ my lawyer called me today like he knew I’d been searching UA-cam for answers but he’s saying I have a good chance of it getting dropped tomorrow will update
How about having a Claim of Life
No difference between a lawyer; judge, and a CEO.
My boyfriend lawyers gonna walk his butt to jail and wants him to take the plea bargin which isn't really a plea bargin at all. Someone help😢
Hey any update? How is it going?
Do you also try to get people off who have caused an accident where innocent people have died or been seriously injured and children no longer have a mother or father and lives are changed forever. God forbid the police didn't dot an I or cross a T the proper way. Will you be there for them, do you visit the victims in then hospital or go to services of those who have died or do you spend all your time looking for typos in the state's case and getting your clients off so you can charge the highest fees? Something maybe legal in a sense but it does not make it right. Personal accountability sadly is rarely around these days and we look for ' outs ' instead of owning up to our actions.
What f no one is killed or injured? Or God forbid the cops are shady, or just plain dicks and you aren’t under the influence. A lot of what ifs that don’t mean shit…
Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda means nothing. So tired of this world and life in general. The laws should be returned to pre-1972!!! 😞
Do you think there’s a case to be made for simply growing up and becoming a responsible adult instead of drinking and driving and putting other peoples lives at risk because the driver is a psychological adolescent and still can’t abandon their own desires?
@@BryanKirch I totally understand. We learn daily. Anybody at any given part of life, is growing. Sometimes it just takes a little patience to get there.
I was just thinking of the scenario of the fact that we have all these bars open at any given time and everything available to us.
You know people are out there at least having a few above the limit and driving.
The statistics just tell us this.
That's why it's so easy to get out of control and upset over a simple scenario.
I have known to be wrong many times throughout my life.
I like the tasteful way that you brought up this point.
I was being totally childish. Was probably even drunk at the time.
I guess I have been through so many traumas, so I was looking for an easy way out.
That's what we need these days is understanding for each other and to see our different point of views.
Thank you. Sometimes I just feel that we are over complicating things and simplicity feels so good.
@@Jeffrie_Baer we all get wounded and frozen from our traumas and fail to grow up. That’s the basis of the whole world. Still trying to grow up myself
@@BryanKirch I really understand. I just made a comment to a friend that I went to school with that is now a great author. He wrote a book on PTSD for soldiers called the mirror and he did a sequel called the broken mirror. His name is Billy Stevens. When I told him a basic overview of my worldview he said that I could be a novelist and to take notes on things that come to mind. I'll try to see if I can post what I originally said to him as to what is going on with the world in general right now.
@@BryanKirchokay, here is what I said that he feels has potential...
The current time we live in, there's no such thing as worldview. There's only one reality and play that is happening right before our eyes. Back in 2020, principalities and Powers were summoned by Satan. The whole world stopped. Why, because people that don't understand will not follow the word of God and are easy puppets for The Prince and power of the air to control. Think about this. There was not one group of people that did this. When Jesus was tempted by Satan to gain the whole world, it's his to give. The same distraction is happening right now before our eyes. At the time of the falling away of the church, the Antichrist is revealed. That has already happened in the late 80s. The Antichrist was being interviewed by Oprah and many other people asking whether he would like to be president or not of the most powerful, in appearance, country in the world. At that time, he said no, but he was still commenting from the sidelines. He became president once and will come to power again. I can't believe that people can't see what is really going on. It seems so obvious because we have Hollywood and all these other distractions. It is literally playing out exactly the way it said it would. EXACTLY. Fast forward, the Antichrist will come to power again. When he does, he will make a covenant and break it halfway through. Don't believe me? Watch how it plays out. The US dollar that is the standard for the world will fall. Cryptocurrency will come into play. With cryptocurrency you need no bank. Just a string of letters and numbers that is your "Mark". It can all be tracked through the blockchain. If you don't believe this again, research it. Money can be turned off just like that. Every "wallet" can be tracked with every transaction. The image of the Beast (Beast being a kingdom), will probably be artificial intelligence. It was given a mouth to blaspheme God. What do I think we should do? Exactly what Jesus said to. Love God with all of our heart and our neighbor as our self. There's no time to be distracted. This is going down worldwide. It is extremely serious and determines our Fate for all of eternity. I am not saying this because I want to influence people one by one. I am saying this because it was shown to me, and I care. Not trying to one-up anyone or anything like that. We are all in the same boat. There is one major narrative going on right now and it just has been exposed. It says in the last days the love of many will wax cold because of so much violence going on. We are seeing that as well right now. People have been lovers of self and not God, including myself. Just like it says, people will say Lord Lord I did all this stuff, and he will say I never knew you. The most important thing right now is, Does Jesus know us? I know this is hard to comprehend because of all we've been conditioned to. When I say that Satan is the prince and power of the air, that includes airwaves. He has built a web all over the world because he can't be everywhere at once. He is influencing us through all the media that he has available to use. Please take heed. I have nothing to gain. I love everyone. I'm just saying before anyone loves themselves, the left or the right, play stand back and think of this whole scenario. It's much much more serious than what we could ever imagine.
Please tell me what you think.
Facing my second dui charge with marijuana first case got fucked with a public defender and gave my urine and was found guilty first offense dui but my second offense I did not give urine test and was not caught with anything officers just thought I was impaired nothing else anyone else been through this
God bless this fella. He's obviously extremely smart but, damn if he don't look like he's gotten out of 20 or 30 DUI's
How often were people even driving? That’s the basic part you are already skipping over. If you aren’t being paid to drive at the time, you’re not driving. Period.
I'M FROM NY
WHAT'S A 'CROWN'??????
I think it’s a judge?
Nope I got it now Crown Counsel are lawyers, who act as prosecutors on behalf of society as a whole.
This is not for American law right? There's no crown in America?
This channel is for Canadian law only from what I understand.
@@C61-y9s Bro i m international in canada student then i charged Drink and Drive 250mg How can Drop my charged ? suggest me plz
I m International Student I charged in Dui 250mg how can i drop my charged in canada
@@husandeepkhaira9329 ihave also same bro, can u give me ur contact plz
@@purewaljot1517 Bro no drop krr de ja mail id mention krr de
New Jersey. You're convicted, even if you're innocent, they pull no punches. It's a crime. Cry it's a crime
If you’re being paid
You keep saying contey but isn't it FEDERAL law??? So what's the county have to do with it ???
Do you mean that county Federal rep ?
The whole county thing throws me off and makes me think of USA laws.... grrrr
I don’t like ambulance chasers who advise people how to get away with drunk driv8ng.
I don't think that you truly understand how shady and opportunist the police actually are.
I don't trust people with quotas.
@@davebaker7343 Yeah, you don’t think. Let’s leave it at that.
Can you get it dropped even got convicted already?
Low key you look like the dad from shameless
I'm sure he's a great attorney, but this guy looks like he's gotten out of a few DWIs.
How often were people even driving? That’s the basic part you are already skipping over. If you aren’t being paid to drive at the time, you’re not driving. Period.