Chivalric Code vs Bushidō
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Another comparative video where we examine the knight's chivalric code and compare it with the Japanese samurai code, the Bushido.
Chivalry, or the chivalric code, is a code of conduct associated with the medieval institution of knighthood which developed between 1170 and 1220.
Bushidō, (武士道?) literally meaning "the way of the warrior", is a Japanese word for the way of the samurai life, loosely analogous to the concept of chivalry.
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I share your fascination. It's the similarities of these two cultures that I find far more compelling than their differences. It speaks to the human condition and how two very different peoples share so many experiences despite geographical isolation and environment. It's the cultural equivalent of convergent evolution. Thanks for the video!
+Knyght Errant Thank you very much for watching and for your eloquent and deep comment :) now I'm starting to make the video about ecclesiastical Latin ;)
+Knyght Errant If my memory serves, classical "knights" and "samurai" have their date of origin not terribly far apart, either. In and about 100 years. Both even started off as missile platforms - under Charlemagne, javelin-cavalry is a knight first.
+Knyght Errant I completely dont sharer this fascination but I like people skewering other people with swords and chopping their arms off with axes.
+Knyght Errant Agreed. I had actually been mentioning it to my family before I saw this video, specifically about the codes. It would seem that they arose out of similar circumstance: as nobility started to believe that they were above the law, new law needed to be formed to bring them back in line. Unless I got my timescale off, it wouldn't be the first time.
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Finally someone gives me a proper comparison. Thank you
+Ulf Ravndal Thankyou for watching ^^
@@metatronyt ma tu sei italiano?
@@harroscieri7623 si si
A lot of people in the comments are ignoring the fact that people did follow these codes. They broke it occasionly (because who is perfect) but it's not like they were henious about or fully planned it out or didn't feel guilty or atone for it. For the most part plenty of them did follow their respective codes.
I'm fully aware that many of them were evil.
@Groove Crusader If you for a second believe the avrage noble bound themselves by codes of honour, you are clearly yet to lose your faith in humanity...
@P A V L V S It was the job of Samurai and Knights to kill those who would corrupt the local communities. People like the PC crowd have existed throughout history and they have always had limited success. They are starting to lose again but the media will just keep on spinning it.
The Japanese completely warped bushido to brainwash their people in ww2.
@@dennisreynolds1341 Ain't that the truth and interesting that they used glorification of history rather rewriting history to control people.
@Grug Crusader "The west isn't run by whites or Christians" Source, please? Nearly every white majority nation is run by a white leader, with a majority white cabinet. Of those leaders, almost all are christian.
Metatron man you are amazing you are one of the last people who you can belive about medieval history
+Alexandros grivas Thank you for that Alex ^^
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I wasn't expecting so much etymology and linguistics. I wasn't surprised by the Latin, from an Italian, but breaking down the Japanese and its Chinese influence was impressive. As for the similarities of the codes, I assume psychology and sociology would explain it as some combination of influences from evolved instincts and the warriors' place in society. Bushido does seem to value death before dishonor much more, however.
Indeed and the Chivalry is alot more religious and focused around the church so therefore those are really the two main differences. Also yes this is a 5 year later comment lmao.
I think he teaches Japanese.
My favorite religious knight order would be not the Templars but the Order of Saint John/ Later knights of Malta,
mainly because of their social welfare and because they fought even when they know they would die, like in the battle of acre.
+jerome96114 And their livery was bloody awesome.
+jerome96114 I find the Hospitalers fascinating as well. They championed fraternal brotherhood in combat, and were also great healers as well.
Knight's of Malta eh? Good choice, how did you first learn about them?
gotta hail the Teutons myself ha
For me, my type of warrior is one who possesses a kind heart. He would try to find peaceful solutions and would only kill if it is the only option. He protects the innocent (even better if it is even the ones in an enemy country/kingdom) and is charitable towards the weak/helpless.
Christian knighthood comes mostly from New Testament values, not Old Testament. I am sure that there could be some small exceptions, of course, but a large portion of modern gentlemanly behavior traces back to Christ himself. Particularly the Beatitudes, where fidelity, honesty, generosity, humility and mercy come from.
Godspeed!
If they based it off the Old Testament then people would be praising shariah law for how generous it is in comparison
Now of course from the New Testament we reject the whole hating your family and subservient slave part of Jesus’s teachings though there is some of it in chivalric code
@@biblebot3947 Why would the old testament be similar to Sharia Law? Are jews muslims?
@@biblebot3947 The old testament was all about loyalty to god and that is what most knights did. Remember all those convert by the sword things?
40Peter Hotdog I didn’t say that Jews are Muslim
Stop trying to straw man me
Anyone can read the comment and see that it is unedited so you only do yourself a disservice
@@biblebot3947 I assume you are referring to Luke 14:26? I would suggest maybe rethinking your views. They are warped by your obvious distain for Christianity.
Soooo...
I practice kenjutsu and i tought that i might as well learn the bushido code. So i asked my sensei to teach me and he did. Also i talked to a friend of mine that practices HEMA, and he also learned the chivalry code.
Here is a bit more detailed version of the codes.
Bushido:
The samurai needs to prove that he is just and honourfull.
The samurai should look at death with disgust.
The samurai needs to have full self-control.
The samurai needs to be mercyfull to his comrades.
The samurai needs to be polite in every situation.
The samurai needs to be honest and respectfull.
The samurai needs to be loyal to his superiors.
The samurai will always defend his honour.
Just as a side note here is a japanese saying:
The intent of the samurai should be to get his sword and throw himself in the embrace of death.
-Kiyomasa Kato, Samurai warrior.
Chivalry:
Comit yourself to the theachings of the curch.
Protect the church.
Respect the weak and be their protector.
Love your native land.
Be brave when confronting the enemy.
Fight restless against the infidel.
Honour your feudal duties, as long as they aren’t against your teachings.
Never lie and respect your promises.
Be kind.
Always defend the good and fight against the evil.
Well, Just as Metatron said, they aren’t that different. This just strengthens the fact that both warriors were very similar in morals. I guess you can say that these are the same codes with different words.
(Also, sorry for any grammar mistakes. I’m not an native english speaker.)
i thought the samerai few on death was accept it and you will live happy?
+colt grisham i think perhaps the "disgust at death" here may refer to dealing it out rather then referencing your own death.
That is exactly right.
Nicely done. There are a lot of in depth meaning to both chivalry and Bushido
The biggest difference I see is that the code of chivalry places a lot of emphasis on serving "the church" which I assume is referring to the roman catholic church being that was the dominant religion at the time in that region of the world. On the other hand, Bushido emphasizes the self, and embracing the way of the warrior as a lifestyle as the individual that the person following it is. In my opinion Bushido is better for that because it is much more flexible, adaptable, and therefore more prolific than the code of chivalry. Bushido can be adopted by anyone, regardless of their knowledge of any particular religion, or anyone wishing to follow a more righteous path in life, regardless of their religious beliefs.
I love the loyalty you show to the etymology and pronunciation of the terms you present. You don't lower the bar and you you don't bullshit. Well done.
My sincere respect.
Surely Chivalry is pronounced with a sh- sound given the French origins in British and American English.
The code of Chivalry and Bushido is the basis of modern ethical behaviors expected of a soldier.During my time in service in the US Army like what you have stated in the list of values that a warrior must adhere too.The US Army back in the 90s created the Army Values which consisted of Loyalty,Duty,Respect,Selfless Service,Honor,Integrity,and Personal Courage.Being a soldier irregardless of rank have to live by these values daily to be a good soldier.The same goes for the Knight or Samurai in the past.
This is fascinating on many levels. One thing that struck me was that in both cases, the early code, which stressed physical courage and loyalty to a commander/lord was modified by religions values. Not only were the warrior codes similar but the Christian influence on the knight and the Buddhist/Shinto influence on the samurai stressed very similar values: justice, charity, generosity, humility. The parallels are remarkable.
A very interesting, well-researched, and eloquent video about a fascinating complex topic.
Well made, better than your others: less rambling, very spot on and straight to the point. There's a good flow. Thanks!
+TheShadowlin Thank you
The biggest problems with bushido and chilvary is much of it gets developed during times of peace, when samurai & knights didn't have wars to fight in order to justify their existence. It's similar to how the katana got romanticized & retconned into the "true weapon of a samurai" when samurai got stuck in civil servant positions during peace time & couldn't waltz around with polearms & bows anymore because it just wasn't practical in daily life during peacetime.
Now I just want a video comparing Roman and Germanic martial traditions. :C
So do I...
Saxons were fucking great! Guy from saxon part of the Netherlands speaking here haha.
If you're interested in Germanic warfare, and how the Anglo-Saxons as a Germanic people were in Battle, then you should take a look at the Battle of Maldon. It's really touching how the Anglo-Saxons were in battle. They valued bravery in strife, loyalty to their lord, and honouring their oaths. And it was the highest honour for the Anglo-Saxon Warrior to die in front of his Lord. The Lord's Thegns didn't exactly take orders from their Lord, instead it was a kind of friendship I think, and to me that's really quite touching. Anglo-Saxon culture was a culture of honour, loyalty, friendship and bravery. Or at least, this is what I've learned. If I'm wrong, correct me ofc.
@@40peterhotdog58 Hm, you really know nothing about Anglo-Saxon culture, then, like you see at the Battle of Maldon, for example (in the poem). Barbarian as a term refers to people who didn't live in cities. That's it. Even the Romans said the Germanic Tribes and the Gauls, etc were very honourable people, and that's from a heavily biased source; from historians who undoubtedly looked down on them.
@@40peterhotdog58 You probably know nothing of Germanic law, paganism and things like ofermode in Anglo-Saxon England either. Well.. clearly you don't ;) I mean there's a reason Tolkien took great pride in his Anglo-Saxon heritage
As a historian, in other eras, this has been fascinating and I look forward to seeing more of your videos. Thanks!
That was very interesting, I rather enjoy introductory videos like these as it encourages viewers to look into it as it gives enough to get started. Cheers.
It's amazing how two codes of conduct are so similar. Totally different cultures, very far apart and very different philosophical origins. I'm enjoying all that you share with us. Doumo arigatou gozaimasu
I so respect how careful and refined you are in your videos,Thanks for the great vids +Metatron
If I may - In Code of the Samurai, it states on several occasions that one must have an almost 'unquestioning loyalty' to their Lords - no ands ifs or buts. The are several historical occurrences of the 'Lords' doing very bad things, leaving their Samurai to chose between honoring the Samurai code, or doing evil themselves by protecting their Lords evils. My knowledge on Chivalry code is much less, but if I understand it correctly - a knight was honor bound to at the very least correct their Lord should they do bad things. Leave if their Lord refuses to stop, and stand as a shield between a Lord gone bad, and the people if need be. A pretty stark difference.
I wonder where Christianity fit in with the Knightley code and doing what your lord told you what to do regardless of the ethics?!
@@tommcalpine6062 From the texts of medieval christian philosophers, like John of Salisbury, Thomas Aquinas and Ramon Llull, ethics would came first. Because authority comes from God, the lords receive their right to rule from God, as it is stated in the Bible (Romans 13), which means that the lords only have authority as long as they obey the rule of God.
If the lord went against the Law of God/Natural Law/Moral Law, he would became a tyrant, so his orders do not need to be obeyed. Actually, Aquinas and Salisbury state that the people have the right to overthrow the tyrant, and even execute him, so long as they have a just cause.
Source: Polycraticus, De Regno, The Book of Chivalry
Dude, after watching a few of your videos, I would say I really like your scholarly, even scientific approach. It is full of reason and in some, hard proofs. So far I deemed Chivalric Code and Bushido as gradually different creeds for elite warriors, now I see they bend to same values, even though their interpretations by the say warriors might be different due to religious differences. Thanks.
+Maciej Kozak Thank you for watching and commenting, and I appreciate you enjoy my content ^^
All the tradition of Chilvaric code came with the Song of Roland that explains the last battle of Roland against the outnumbering Moores.
This song was even played at Hastings before the battle to give courage to the warriors.
But the code was later completed with the legend of Lancelot written by Chretien de Troyes.
''Be that modern knight you feel you had to be''
Interesting words for a civvy...
If 2 worlds created almost the same code independently, I think it tells something about humanity. Maybe nations of humans would make knight/bushido like codes most of the time.
Not really, considering China was an immense empire that had influence on most of the East but didn't actually formally adopt such codes.
That is true. But I am still glad that our race has so many % of people that are honourable. Honor is against survival instincts. I wonder if these honourable people are dying out from our world because of premature death and not many childern.
In this video it is stated that only the writings (words) for the word 'Bushido' come from China, not that Bushido as a code came from China.
Japanese uses Chinese characters (kanji) as apart of their language and can choose whether to pronounce it how they would read it or pronounce it how the Chinese would read it.
I think similarity comes from nearly identical needs: a warrior that does not betray you, fight well and follow orders. The ideal knight/samurai works kinda like a machine with a fixed code and strict behavioural rules, this also explains why it was rare to find a warrior who followed rules, we are humans after all.
Your pronounciations of different languages is beautiful!
I've become very curious about the Japanese code against surrender. Specifically, I'm wondering if it may have had roots in the Mongol invasion of Japan, where surrender was used at Tsushima as a tool to strengthen the invading forces. Can please anyone direct me to some information on this? 🙏
The first samurai government(Shogunate) was established in 1192 in Kamakura near Edo( now Tokyo).
I like the song starting at 15:16 as well ... it begins "You'll never know until it happens ...". I'd like to know the title and artist. Soundhound could not identify it.
Arch Tremors Feat Lollo Gardtman - Hurry To Love
I think honor codes for warrior classes emerged largely out of necessity. That being the need to keep your deadliest people in check with a mixture of positive and negative reinforcement.
Very beautiful Metatron!
+Learn and repeat Thank you so much :D
FANTASTIC! Detailed and excellent presentation. Keep it up.
+Julia Rogoff Thank you Julia :D
I always find myself coming back to this video. Just for the first 50 secs
Is this guy related to Iwan Rheon? Cause whenever I hear his voice, I'm reminded of Ramsay Bolton
I think this guy is from Sicily. I didn't know the actors name from got but like me it's definitely Welsh. Clearly we make good actors :-)
Metatron is actually Italian
I love how informative and deep your analysis is, But i think you fail to mention the important part that MANY knights and samurai only followed their code when needed to and gladly did shady things when nobody was looking, I don't think many knights were truely honorable people, And i think the same goes for the Samurai.
For example the Samurai were allowed to kill somebody on the spot if they feel that they were insulted by them but they had to have a witness, This witness could be their own servant meaning the samurai could kill pretty much everybody they wanted, And power corrupts.
Being a knight was like being cool on facebook. You are probably a fuckster, but you put on a mask for others.
Sounds to me like you've been watching videos on YT that lies to you my friends =)
Chivalry and Bushido are ideas and standards to live up to. It takes much dedication to achieve such standards in your heart. Not just everyone can do it, cause they don't have the heart or discipline to do so.
Godspeed!
I know this is over a year old, but I still have a question for you. If they "did shady things when nobody was looking" and truly nobody was looking, how do you know they did it? By the same logic, you do shadier things when nobody is looking. The only reason I don't have proof of it is because nobody is looking. If I did have proof, my statement would be incorrect.
Jack Good argument!
Well done video! I love your detailed explanations with all of the surrounding arguments.
This doesn't really relate to this video but it's just the one I happened to have when I felt the need to tell you that I love your channel. I just found it today and it is pretty addicting. I keep saying "ok after this I'll do something else" and then I see another video that I just have to watch ;). Keep up the great work!
very well done informative and entertaining i applaud your production and appreciate your delivery in other words..Awesome video man thank you
I love the knight Templar
'Seek nothing outside yourself' this is a very beautiful, short sentence impressed.
And self contradictory because that brainfart itself comes to the budding Samurai from outside of himself.
Hmmm in both cases its in my humble opinion an act of taming, of directing the destructive power into a more peace-orientated way. In Europe that happened after the thread of the Vikings and in Japan after the unification under Tokugawa. In both cases there was a huge amount of warriors literally without work. However I like your work very much.
I would think so. A taming of the beast that lives within all humans, the beast that warriors have to tap into.
You Sir,are a amacing TEACHER. I learn more from your Videos than from many years of history lessons in school.
Intriguing, amazing, and inspiring to sum it up. I am impressed by your research. Very well done and I submit to the Bushido Code.
Thanks my noble friend, I learned a lot from this video. I hope to see more and more videos related to this topic the "ancient warriors" and specially the knight.
Holy shit, you saying "Knights Templar" in Italian gave me some serious Vietnam type flashbacks to assassins creed 😅
Awesome video, made me want to know much more about both codes. Keep up the great work. Grazie mille!
this video is in such high quality and so interesting props to you Raffaello
Hi! Have you tried to compare the tv show "Vikings" with the historical facts? If not, I think that would be a nice topic to talk about :) Love your work here, so keep it up!
history buffs did it
Probably hard when they do not know so much about Vikings and the series do not claim to be acurate.
Probably your best video that I have seen so far ;-)
The need to keep young men with arms who are often prone to boredom is probably a universal thing among these kinds of societies tbh. Keeping guys busy doing jousts or calligraphy and whatnot keeps them from becoming bandits or raising hell unnecessarily.
I love both but I'm addicted to Bushido I live by it every day, Blessed Be.
(A little side note in terms of similarities between ancient/medieval europe and japan)
Another similarity that i found just as fascinating as i studied japanese is the concept of stories in form of fairy tales. I don't know exactly how it is outside of germany, but i can assume similar, that every fairy tale has the same pattern. Like "Once upon a time" compared to "mukashi mukashi" or the personification of animals with specific traits (even though the traits themselves don't always align with european fairytales). And more stunningly, there is close to zero research on that area, which is, in my opinion, baffling.
If I may . I don't find it surprising at all that similar groups developed independent from each other. Both groups, along with actually writing down their code, assumed a more protective role towards the general population instead of just protecting the General, at least more than the original warlord intended. At that point they were addressing a need the poor had, and poor is poor in the 10th century no matter where you are from. Good Comparison IMO.
Thank you sir. Great video, well explained.
Chivalry was also based off of Arestia from Homeric Greece. Basically weither you die or win in battle as long as you faced death and basically laughed you had honor.
I'm inclined to agree, Chris, this is especially clear when considering the morals and motivations of the ancient
Champions of the Mediterranean region around the time of the siege of Troy. The warrior codes were very similar although the tactics were somewhat different due to a love of the chariot as the main battle platform among the Hellen's (Greeks) and lighter armed and armored soldiers. The Roman's adopted (coopted) elements of these warrior societies and as a direct consequence of conquest, carried them to Europa where they germinated among the Germans and Angles and other Celts where they eventually blossomed into the Chivalric orders of the Middle Ages.
Dear Raphael! This is your greatest video! The introduction should space The Chivalric COde and the Bushido by 4-5 seconds! And then you should continue at 1:10 .
I like your comparison videos! You just got yourself another sub!
Well their similar only in the elite warrior nature and basically create the best warriors frugality useful for both not having your warriors distracted by expensive hobbies and also just to save money on military. Bravery and self sacrifice clearly very important as well in this manner their quite similar to the Spartans.
Actually quite a few differences samurai always pledged loyalty to a master and would theoretically follow them into death while some knights served an order that could be more oligarchical
Two books worth reading for the Renaissance Period are
Giovanni Della Casa's Galateo and Baldassare Castiglione The Book of the Courtier.
Two world famous books of it's time.
Metatron I want to thank you for the great videos that you make. Especially when you use the different languages especially Ecclesiastical Latin. Your Japanese is pretty amazing also. As a Sicilian American I think your videos are extremely important because they show the great and holy traditions of Christendom. People tend to forget them and it's sad because as racial Europeans, they are who we are. It's great that you show other countries' weaponry and warfare so we get a sense of the different types and I believe this makes us appreciate our Nobel history even more. Makes me proud of my European roots. VIVA LA PATRIA! God bless.
This video could benefit me with my research for my research essay for college. I am doing a compare and contrast between the concepts of the knight and the samurai.
Metatron, i like your presentation...
+Richard Hsiung Thank you very much ^^
I have to get up early tomorrow but every time i watch a video of yours theirs always another that I also need to watch. You need to stop making good videos lol.
Metatron this video is once again the answer to the multiple questions I had, thanks/ども/grazie!
That intro was some powerful stuff.
A really helpful comparison.
5:00 I approve of your correct spelling of honour.
Brilliant video very informative
I don't know if anyone has brought this up (and you'll just have to forgive me for not reading through all 250+ comments to date), but honestly, I am really not surprised by the similarities at ll between the Chivalric Code and Bushido at all.
If we're keeping with the fundamental idea that Bushido was formalized sometime after the 15th century, that means western Europe and Asia (read: China) had long established trade routes for nearly 300 years. In addition to the trade of goods, you also get the trade of culture, and with the trade of culture, you get the trade of stories. It seems that an eastern warrior philosophy would naturally derive from a western warrior philosophy over 300+ years.
Now, obviously, this is all speculation, and I highly doubt that there is a way to prove such a hypothesis, but at least *I* think it's a worthwhile thesis to consider.
In all - enjoyable video. Your channel informative and I am quite enjoying going through your videos.
I have to say I'm positively surprised by your video. So many people assume that chivalry was a centralized institution and followed by any knight, same for the bushido (which was more a tool from and for the Tokugawa shogunate) nice that you made clear that both were lose and often only oral. But I think would be better if you had mentioned that the chivalric code came basicly from literature of the time. I don't think that the similiarity is something special, those virtues were common among any culture (of course with different evaluation) and in any military system is bravery, loyality and so on a necessary factor or at least improved effectivnes (which can make it necessary in the end). A little reference by the way in the Bundeswehr (the army of modern Germany) the soldier is obliged by law to bravery, comradeship, obedience an some other things, quite similiar, no? :D
By the way your analysis of the words were amazing, I'm very envious of your language skills. :)
+Clausewitz MTH Thank you very much for watching and commenting and I am very happy you liked my video :D
I am more a linguist than an historian ^^ Language for job, history for passion, and on youtube I mix everything up ahah :D
+Metatron Hehe I understand :) How do you managed to learn so many languages? Even Mandarin, as far as I know it's a tonal language which makes it quite difficult for us simple europeans to lern it? How hard was it for you?
Clausewitz MTH I have dedicated the last 13 years of my life to language learning.
And Mandarin really depends on how good of a ear you have, for some people it will never be possible to learn the tones, no matter how much they try, for me (and other people with a musical ear) it took 2 weeks to master the tones ^^
+Metatron Wow two weeks^^ Don't know how fast I could do it, I will certainly try it out one day. Where did you learn all of those languages if I may ask? A language school?
Clausewitz MTH University ;)
@Metatron - great video, but what's the end song?
most excellent lecture
These are some of the greatest pronunciations i have ever heard
Thank you well in depth search, i understand better now meaning of Chivalry! That is should never die out but, should be within us all regardless of time and place.
I’ve heard your chivalric code could be the exact opposite of another knight’s code depending on what lord you served.
I very much enjoyed this video, the intro was truly mesmerizing, thank you! you should probably get into voice acting
I'm a few years late to the party it seems, but overall i enjoy your videos. Seeing things I've previously read (hagakure and the book of five rings) in this one was uplifting after watching your debunking videos and having things I'd previously thought true torn apart lol
I want to meet a Japanese equivalent of a weeb.
Like some Japanese dude who follows the chivalric code, collects European swords and armor, models his way of life based on a faulty understanding of medieval philosophy, and tries and fails to speak broken French or something. That shit would be hilarious.
You would be surprised how many there are
If I remember correctly, it was actually the church which introduced the first standardized Chivalric Code to curb and redirect the energies of the warrior class. Of course I could also be talking out of the side of my neck as well.
Congratulation, you have a good pronunciation (I'm French and I live in Japan for 20 years), It is important to understand that the bushido code is codified at the time when the wars are practically ended after the total victory of Tokugawa Ieasu and of his shogun dynasty. The wars between daimyo ended after more than 300 years of ceaseless wars and the samurais had practically nothing else to do than to train and quell in blood the regular revolts of the hungry peasants, which was not very difficulty because weapons were forbidden to peasants. It was also during the Edo period that the 5 social castes were formed almost hermetically.
A very intresting similliarity is the one between the Roman stoics ethics and the bushido code, they share even more similliaritys.
Fascinating video. More!
2 cultures on opposite sides of the world have very similar something " thank you mongolia, and the scythians, and the Huns, and the Magyar, and all those other Turkic horse tribes I didn't mention. The ancient world is smaller than people tend to realize. Horses and river boats have connected us loosely for probably 3000 years.
Hi Metatron,just found your clip by chance and found out the content of your channel interests me a lot.(Hope you won't mind my poor English)
I'm wondering if you ever heard of 閩南語/河洛語 (one of the Chinese dialects which,by some opinions, was popularly used in ancient China)
which will sound interestingly more similar to Japanese "音読み ".
For instance, the word "武" is pronounced "bu" both in Japanese and 閩南語.
Makes you wonder, how different we really are. As I sit here and watch the video I recall a story about a Christmas day during WWI when both sides looked across the battle field and came together in song. I bring that up because it doesn't really matter where your from, as members of (The Human Race) we all share common values!
Fascinating, thank you.
I never understood how you can both be just and merciful, as the code dictates. If you were to hold up justice to its peak, everyone that deserves to be punished is and if you were to hold mercy to its peak, everyone who should be punished isn't. They are completely at odds with each other.
Justice isnt just about killing tho
This is your best video yet Metatron. I have a question. I've often wondered why the horses were not the first victims of an attack in battle. Was it part of the chivalric code and Bushido code to spare them (generosity/ mercy maybe) It seems to me that once your opponent is without his steed he is more vulnerable. "My horse, my horse, my Kingdom for a horse'
I used to think that samurai was a Chinese warrior and the ninja was a Japanese warrior when I was younger, luckily I figured out the true origin.
id have to say I've followed the guide lines of Bushido all my life tho living in America and knowing how ppl behave here it's a challenge that I've had in mastering it lol tho I've gotten a much better hang of it now my moral code has always been order unity and balance which the meanings of these words for me fall under the same as the Bushido there must be order (constructivity and respect) unity(understanding of all angels and perspectives of all things around me) and balances(mainly teamwork and helpfulness) among others that fall under these three words but to me these three things are key to living
We who live under the 7 Boshido virtues , were never meant to be Chivalous. Everything I was taught growing up and use to this day, was taught unto me out of respect unto my Sempi. I am honor bound to live as I was taught.....I stand by the virtues.
Both were similar because both were feudal.
The similarities highlighted between the two owe to the fact that the "7/8/9 virtues of bushido" were created by Inazo Nitobe in 1899, who heavily based his work, "Bushido: The Soul of Japan" on his experiences in England as a university student and the gentlemanly culture he experienced there. He fully had European notions of Chivalry in mind when writing this book, with the express purpose of making the then Meiji Japan sensible to an English audience. His work wasn't terribly influential in Japan, not being published in Japanese until 1908, and directly coming into conflict with existing Bushido discourse, never the less since the post war period, the text has been a significant source of information about bushido in Japan, hence why the 7/8/9 virtues remains popular, depsite its lack of historicity.
Wish you talked more about the idea of honour as preserving your people.
Maybe someone else has said it but in English "Chivalry" is pronounced "Shiv-al-ry" with a soft ch. I'm pretty sure that the etymology of the word traces from Latin to Old French before making it into English.
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this was fascinating. thank you very much. I subbed
+nope Thank you for subbing :D
So Chivalry was often not followed very rigidly by European knights, but to what extent was Bushido actually followed by the samurai?
To become a samurai, required to follow bushido
+InSanic Depends on the time and for the oral codes the place. Even after being codified some aspects were focused on more than others. I really should check my source before I go on and possibly get something mixed up, but I have it available so in a future comment I might look it up first, but there was a certain economy to it. A certain samurai were allowed to get away with all-out wars with their father (an associated virtue) and still be respected because of their courage in battle and their kindness towards civilians and still be respected in Japanese culture. There was another case where one value was high enough that the people let another one slide and the samurai not only remained honored in Japanese history, but actually kept his position.
Before it was codified, there were sometimes contradictions. I don't remember what they were, I would have to look that up. After it was codified, some allowances were made if a warrior was known to possess another virtue overwhelmingly.
Great job, it was realy instructive. Thx.
+Altheniar Thank you for your time
I find this topic very interesting, myself. Very good introduction video. To add more to the discussion I thought I'd add more literature to the table, on the side of the chivalric knights.
First, the Templars (one of my favourite religious orders): here is their actual Rule (all religious orders need a Rule):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Rule
Also, here is the treatise on the Knights Templar, also written by St Bernard of Clairvaux:
www.templiers.org/eloge-prologue-eng.php
I find these two documents very informative.
Further, I think that both cultures on the surface look somewhat similar, but when you get to the core and substance of each code, they could not be more different. As you quoted, bushido is all within (a very Eastern concept). But for European knights, all was done for the other; it is total selflessness. Especially the Knights Templar.
I would also like to comment on the respective views of death. Bushido is choosing death whenever there is a choice, as the video quotes. As history points out, the samurai would commit suicide (seppuku) rather than be captured. On the other side of the world (again, specifically the Templars), they greeted death with a calm indifference, because for them, death meant life. If a Templar fell in battle, he was giving his life for Christ and for his friends, and thus would be a martyr. He would ascend to heaven and receive a crown of glory. The Templar did not choose death; suicide is self-murder, which is damnable. He accepted it, and did not fear it. The samurai sought it, though. It would be interesting to know what a samurai thought the afterlife was like.
Anyway, those are some of my thoughts on the matter.