Reinforcing confirmation bias was definitely what the entire segment with the doctors was about. He's asking them things they can't really answer, not because it's something that's impossible to answer, but because they're literally just doctors watching a video of an exorcism and the director knows they can't be reasonably expected to answer properly without more information. They haven't interviewed this person as a patient. They haven't diagnosed this person as a patient. They haven't consulted other relevant specialists and developed a treatment plans for this person as a patient. They, to our knowledge, have never interacted with this person in a professional capacity at all. They literally do not have the necessary data to make a reliable judgement as far as medicine is concerned. The best they might be able to do is "It resembles a condition we've seen before, but we can't say for certain without knowing more," and the director wants to turn that into "Even medical experts can't explain this phenomenon." It's a tactic that I feel like I've seen a lot in "documentaries" that are definitely aiming to elicit a specific conclusion (or at least something that can be edited or taken out of context in a way that suggests that specific conclusion) rather than actually attempting to ask relevant questions to relevant individuals.
I know it's absolutely happened in a Geocentrism documentary once, like it was a really big deal because they got a bunch of famous astronomists to come on and talk about the history of astronomy and answer questions about the Solar System, and then they all got taken out of context super hard in editing to imply "Ehhh, we dunno, maybe the Earth is the center of the solar system, whose to say???" Even recently, there was a whole Prager U detransitioner documentary where they do the whole grift of "Look at these people who used to be Trans and they went back on it, isn't it so horrible that this happened", etc. etc. but the day it came out one of the people involved unironically went on Twitter and said "This documentary is lying, detransitioning didn't fix anything, I'm miserable and I keep dreaming of myself as the other gender. I can only find strength in Jesus." and it's super obvious that they just went back on things for religious reasons and now they're just suffering through the Dysphoria. But that message didn't gel with the false narrative the documentary's trying to sell, so instead you just get shots of her looking off in the distance edited in a way that implies she's 'better now' when she's completely open about just being miserable because she went back on the transition. Just actually insane levels of dishonesty.
Jon: *does skit about the guy hanging out in front of peoples' homes* Kip: See, this is exactly why I may or may not believe in ghosts. Right, Steven, understood *nods head in confusion*
44:54 So two interesting thing here, the first is that he’s dressed up as John Constantine, DC’s designated occult guy and two, the weapon he’s holding is a replica of the gun used in the Constantine movie starring Keanu Reeves (it was made before the superhero boom so it had little to no connection to the comics but it was still pretty decent) Edit: New Halloween video dropped
On the subject of violent artists, Picasso did actually carry around a toy cap gun that he would pull on people that tried to ask him what his paintings meant. 😂
This was a crazy video to watch, such an amusing if bizarre movie, but the fake voice edit and then the confirmation bias bit at the end of the movie just killed anything resembling possibility of that being real. I like to be open enough not to discount the strange and unknown, at least I don't dare want to think I know everything, do your research and such as you said, but movies like this one that don't strive to remain authentic are a real shame. Speaking of spooky media, I would like to suggest a very spooky and surreal, bizarre game demo I have been tracking you may enjoy : "Divine Frequency", a Doom total conversion mod that puts you in some strange shoes going through an insane journey that has flavor an design choices taken from System Shock 2, Bloodborne and Silent Hill, crazy game with only a demo out, but it's quite good from what I saw. Great video, thanks for keeping up with Jontron's videos, I like your commentary! A very late Happy Halloween!
"undetonated ordinance" is an interesting metaphor because undetonated ordinance is real, and I can see one, and have it explained to me, and it's *real*. Ghosts are not, and nobody has ever, like, CAUGHT a ghost where you can go and see one and have it be confirmed as real. They're as real as the flying spaghetti monster. The Annabelle doll isn't going to be able to do anything because it's literally just a doll.
31:40 That is how i view real-life paranormal stuff. Like you, I prefer to sit on the fence regarding the debate as to whether or not the paranormal is real. But on the chance that it is real, I would rather not be that one dumbass in horror movies that gets killed by being overly skeptical. If a place has a reputation for spooky shit, and I do not have some need to go there, I am just not going. Better safe than sorry is a phrase I live by. And yea, even if there is no actual paranormal stuff happening, like you said, a lot of these tales may at the very least just be there to deter you from walking right into a very real and mundane danger.
on inverted crosses: yes, it may have *started* as a Christian symbol, but symbols can evolve and be given different meanings by different people overtime. Today, a lot of self-named Satanists do use inverted crosses to represent their beliefs, independent of St. Peter.
Hey you know another case of this? _The Pentagram!_ It originally meant, to Christians, to represent both the five senses and the 5 holy wounds that Jesus has in the crucifixion.
Something interesting is friedman forgot one of the basic rules of magic. Practical before magical, i practice witchcraft and that is the bigfest peice of advice given by witches to non witches looking for advice with something
On the note of hauntings mandalore gaming did a video on Ghost Master a somewhat obscure strategy puzzle game you should probably watch it when you deem the time right
Kip, if you ever see this post, please watch RalphTheMovieMaker 's video on ghost shows, it's really funny and it's got one of the best anti-ghost breakdowns I've ever seen. Like he really rails into it and just makes a really strong decisive case for why ghost stuff just isn't real at all. He also has a really good Bigfoot show video that kind-of does the same thing with more of a focus on how weird and crazy the people behind these shows are, lol
I'll have to see if spooky or mystery content is still popular outside of Spooktober. I'm not opposed to it, but I need to focus on growth where I can for now.
I too have pondered on why someone would tempt fate, and... your example doesn't apply. A place believed to have landmines (but not confirmed) is mundane. We know that landmines exist, how they work, and why they would be in the places they are. People might go out into the field to either find the mines, proving the danger and possably having them removed, or just to impress someone (because they are an idiot). To go out of one's way to try and disprove something thought to be supernatural is very different; because we don't know if such things really exist, how they work, or why they manifest where they do. Trying to disprove something like Annabelle, does make sense. Proving something is mundane helps to prevent people from taking advantage and profiting off of believers and those who are agnostic about it (I only say helps because people are still looking for Nessie). It also represents a victory of reason over superstition, and weakens the overall belief in the supernatural; which people might oppose either philisophically or morally, again, because bad actors will take advantage of the superstitious or may personally act in ways they shouldn't due to said beliefs (remember the Slenderman-related crimes?).
36:16 How would one go through being exorcised if they don't believe that people can be possessed and that having some guy splash you with holy water and talking in a stern voice could do something about it? You can't have someone who doesn't believe they are possessed (willingly) go through with being exorcised because its trying to fix a problem that isn't there; how would you know if it worked if there was nothing to fix? And if someone did believe they were possessed, how do you even confirm that they are and that the exorcism worked? Hell, the lady in the film was on her ninth exorcism, and still believed she was possessed and that it would do something.
37:22 Sorry for a third reply, but citation needed and also you're hearing hoofbeats and thinking zebras instead of horses. Just because someone finds something spooky, you don't just assume "there could be more to this" when a mundane explanation CAN exist. Wierd stuff is happening and you find a pentagram or whatever; what do you mean there's "more to this"? How does anyone reasonably make the assumption that the symbol has anything to do with the happenings when the person could be lying, or legitimately sick (physically or mentally), or someone is purposefully screwing with them? If you don't know what's happening, you first check for the most likely explanations, then the less likely, then the rare; and when all else fails, maybe then you try looking for something that defies our understanding of reality. Can you imagine if someone gets sick and their doctor wastes time and money looking for a shaman before they even test them for the most likely of causes? Or someone getting sick and they're just as open to looking for a magical fix as they are a mundane one? Looking for zebras where there shouldn't be zebras is just silly. Yeah, maybe one escaped from the zoo or some transport, but when 999 times out of a thousand it's just a horse making those hoofbeats, maybe just look for the horse first?
Pretty sure that clip was Cosby doing his "trying speak on Novocain after the dentist" bit from his 80s comedy standup stuff. Granted I don't know the context for the interview.
Thanks for bringing up that upside down cross thing every piece of media likes to use. I just laugh. That's not unholy, that's ours too. Oooh spooky, our own religious history. This is the reason horror movies aren't scary anymore though. The writers are both uncreative and unwilling to do any research, any legwork.
lmao off I just started dropping bits of story around KIPs content like f it I am not going to tell yall directly but this turns into a scavenger hunt even the creator can enjoy.
Reinforcing confirmation bias was definitely what the entire segment with the doctors was about. He's asking them things they can't really answer, not because it's something that's impossible to answer, but because they're literally just doctors watching a video of an exorcism and the director knows they can't be reasonably expected to answer properly without more information. They haven't interviewed this person as a patient. They haven't diagnosed this person as a patient. They haven't consulted other relevant specialists and developed a treatment plans for this person as a patient. They, to our knowledge, have never interacted with this person in a professional capacity at all. They literally do not have the necessary data to make a reliable judgement as far as medicine is concerned. The best they might be able to do is "It resembles a condition we've seen before, but we can't say for certain without knowing more," and the director wants to turn that into "Even medical experts can't explain this phenomenon."
It's a tactic that I feel like I've seen a lot in "documentaries" that are definitely aiming to elicit a specific conclusion (or at least something that can be edited or taken out of context in a way that suggests that specific conclusion) rather than actually attempting to ask relevant questions to relevant individuals.
I know it's absolutely happened in a Geocentrism documentary once, like it was a really big deal because they got a bunch of famous astronomists to come on and talk about the history of astronomy and answer questions about the Solar System, and then they all got taken out of context super hard in editing to imply "Ehhh, we dunno, maybe the Earth is the center of the solar system, whose to say???"
Even recently, there was a whole Prager U detransitioner documentary where they do the whole grift of "Look at these people who used to be Trans and they went back on it, isn't it so horrible that this happened", etc. etc. but the day it came out one of the people involved unironically went on Twitter and said "This documentary is lying, detransitioning didn't fix anything, I'm miserable and I keep dreaming of myself as the other gender. I can only find strength in Jesus." and it's super obvious that they just went back on things for religious reasons and now they're just suffering through the Dysphoria.
But that message didn't gel with the false narrative the documentary's trying to sell, so instead you just get shots of her looking off in the distance edited in a way that implies she's 'better now' when she's completely open about just being miserable because she went back on the transition. Just actually insane levels of dishonesty.
Jon: *does skit about the guy hanging out in front of peoples' homes*
Kip: See, this is exactly why I may or may not believe in ghosts.
Right, Steven, understood *nods head in confusion*
I fucking love tangents. Between Kip, Wendigoon, and especially Fact Boy.
Once he mentioned trump voice, immediately can't unhear it.
Oh my god…
RIGHT!!!??
Trump dialect/speaking method, voice of Dr. Henry Miller from DSAF (or whatever TTS voice he was given was called)
44:54 So two interesting thing here, the first is that he’s dressed up as John Constantine, DC’s designated occult guy and two, the weapon he’s holding is a replica of the gun used in the Constantine movie starring Keanu Reeves
(it was made before the superhero boom so it had little to no connection to the comics but it was still pretty decent)
Edit: New Halloween video dropped
On the subject of violent artists, Picasso did actually carry around a toy cap gun that he would pull on people that tried to ask him what his paintings meant. 😂
Man was on a different level.
I love how Jon had Arbiter speak in the signature Sangheili wort wort wort, even though he's very fluent in English himself.
"once in a lifetime" my guy this is the ninth time.
Exorcisms "work" because of the placebo effect. There, I did what William Friedkin couldn't.
Reminds me of 40k Ork logic, if enough idiots believe it will happen, then it might happen.
This was a crazy video to watch, such an amusing if bizarre movie, but the fake voice edit and then the confirmation bias bit at the end of the movie just killed anything resembling possibility of that being real.
I like to be open enough not to discount the strange and unknown, at least I don't dare want to think I know everything, do your research and such as you said, but movies like this one that don't strive to remain authentic are a real shame.
Speaking of spooky media, I would like to suggest a very spooky and surreal, bizarre game demo I have been tracking you may enjoy : "Divine Frequency", a Doom total conversion mod that puts you in some strange shoes going through an insane journey that has flavor an design choices taken from System Shock 2, Bloodborne and Silent Hill, crazy game with only a demo out, but it's quite good from what I saw.
Great video, thanks for keeping up with Jontron's videos, I like your commentary!
A very late Happy Halloween!
I actually watched this at the theater with 2 friends. We were pretty much just laughing at it the whole time.
So you two were the few who went to an actual theater to watch this?
"undetonated ordinance" is an interesting metaphor because undetonated ordinance is real, and I can see one, and have it explained to me, and it's *real*. Ghosts are not, and nobody has ever, like, CAUGHT a ghost where you can go and see one and have it be confirmed as real. They're as real as the flying spaghetti monster. The Annabelle doll isn't going to be able to do anything because it's literally just a doll.
27:42 turn it into a parking lot. I have never heard of a haunted parking lot.
Not sure what jontron videos you've seen but i'd love some older reactions like his disney bootleg games video, it's so funny!
31:40
That is how i view real-life paranormal stuff. Like you, I prefer to sit on the fence regarding the debate as to whether or not the paranormal is real. But on the chance that it is real, I would rather not be that one dumbass in horror movies that gets killed by being overly skeptical.
If a place has a reputation for spooky shit, and I do not have some need to go there, I am just not going. Better safe than sorry is a phrase I live by.
And yea, even if there is no actual paranormal stuff happening, like you said, a lot of these tales may at the very least just be there to deter you from walking right into a very real and mundane danger.
on inverted crosses: yes, it may have *started* as a Christian symbol, but symbols can evolve and be given different meanings by different people overtime. Today, a lot of self-named Satanists do use inverted crosses to represent their beliefs, independent of St. Peter.
Hey you know another case of this? _The Pentagram!_
It originally meant, to Christians, to represent both the five senses and the 5 holy wounds that Jesus has in the crucifixion.
I really want that golden cross weapon jon had.
Father Garcia and Father Ward wanna have a word with him
Its Costantine gun from the movie.
RIP Mr. Friedkin.
This masterpiece will never be forgotten. ❤
I subscribed for the wort wort wort
Something interesting is friedman forgot one of the basic rules of magic. Practical before magical, i practice witchcraft and that is the bigfest peice of advice given by witches to non witches looking for advice with something
On the note of hauntings mandalore gaming did a video on Ghost Master a somewhat obscure strategy puzzle game
you should probably watch it when you deem the time right
3:25 Amortis
Also, you watch the Lodge of Lore?
Kip, if you ever see this post, please watch RalphTheMovieMaker 's video on ghost shows, it's really funny and it's got one of the best anti-ghost breakdowns I've ever seen. Like he really rails into it and just makes a really strong decisive case for why ghost stuff just isn't real at all.
He also has a really good Bigfoot show video that kind-of does the same thing with more of a focus on how weird and crazy the people behind these shows are, lol
I'll have to see if spooky or mystery content is still popular outside of Spooktober. I'm not opposed to it, but I need to focus on growth where I can for now.
@@KipReacts Super fair
Gary is a normal human being, like me and you.
Oh, the house that you were thinking of I believe was the Amityville house.
Of course I would not walk in to the mines, but mines are real :/ supernatural things well, they are not .-.
I too have pondered on why someone would tempt fate, and... your example doesn't apply. A place believed to have landmines (but not confirmed) is mundane. We know that landmines exist, how they work, and why they would be in the places they are. People might go out into the field to either find the mines, proving the danger and possably having them removed, or just to impress someone (because they are an idiot).
To go out of one's way to try and disprove something thought to be supernatural is very different; because we don't know if such things really exist, how they work, or why they manifest where they do.
Trying to disprove something like Annabelle, does make sense. Proving something is mundane helps to prevent people from taking advantage and profiting off of believers and those who are agnostic about it (I only say helps because people are still looking for Nessie). It also represents a victory of reason over superstition, and weakens the overall belief in the supernatural; which people might oppose either philisophically or morally, again, because bad actors will take advantage of the superstitious or may personally act in ways they shouldn't due to said beliefs (remember the Slenderman-related crimes?).
36:16 How would one go through being exorcised if they don't believe that people can be possessed and that having some guy splash you with holy water and talking in a stern voice could do something about it? You can't have someone who doesn't believe they are possessed (willingly) go through with being exorcised because its trying to fix a problem that isn't there; how would you know if it worked if there was nothing to fix?
And if someone did believe they were possessed, how do you even confirm that they are and that the exorcism worked? Hell, the lady in the film was on her ninth exorcism, and still believed she was possessed and that it would do something.
37:22 Sorry for a third reply, but citation needed and also you're hearing hoofbeats and thinking zebras instead of horses. Just because someone finds something spooky, you don't just assume "there could be more to this" when a mundane explanation CAN exist. Wierd stuff is happening and you find a pentagram or whatever; what do you mean there's "more to this"? How does anyone reasonably make the assumption that the symbol has anything to do with the happenings when the person could be lying, or legitimately sick (physically or mentally), or someone is purposefully screwing with them?
If you don't know what's happening, you first check for the most likely explanations, then the less likely, then the rare; and when all else fails, maybe then you try looking for something that defies our understanding of reality. Can you imagine if someone gets sick and their doctor wastes time and money looking for a shaman before they even test them for the most likely of causes? Or someone getting sick and they're just as open to looking for a magical fix as they are a mundane one?
Looking for zebras where there shouldn't be zebras is just silly. Yeah, maybe one escaped from the zoo or some transport, but when 999 times out of a thousand it's just a horse making those hoofbeats, maybe just look for the horse first?
16:41 . . . . . OMFG KIP WHY!!!??? XD
Yes!!!
Pretty sure that clip was Cosby doing his "trying speak on Novocain after the dentist" bit from his 80s comedy standup stuff. Granted I don't know the context for the interview.
Seeing any Cosby clips hits different now after all the allergations occured. It's kinda like when you realise Michael Jackson was a pdf file.
MOAR TRONJON!!!
Look I've had ghosts follow me to my house and had to listen so they could move on, and I even call cap on this guy.
Those are some serious hallucinations, you need to see a psychologist.
Thanks for bringing up that upside down cross thing every piece of media likes to use. I just laugh. That's not unholy, that's ours too. Oooh spooky, our own religious history.
This is the reason horror movies aren't scary anymore though. The writers are both uncreative and unwilling to do any research, any legwork.
Wait, does kip think that spirits and exorcism is real? Not fictional?
I think he was trying to play into the bit and not totally being dismissive.
isnt this the guy who did what wtf meme
Yeah, that should be his Drug PSA video.
lmao off I just started dropping bits of story around KIPs content like f it I am not going to tell yall directly but this turns into a scavenger hunt even the creator can enjoy.
yes kip there is a marine and he is literally playing f f games with you...