Britain's Mental Health Crisis (Documentary)
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2015
- Panorama goes inside one of the UK's largest frontline mental health trusts. With funding cuts drastically reducing bed numbers, we follow the teams through their daily decision making of who to let in and who send home. We film with the nurses as they deal with the suicidal, aggressive and the isolated in the community and hear how the system is so overloaded and other support services so decimated that staff feel they often struggle to meet all their patients' needs.
Panorama - BBC One 26 October 2015
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Role Contributor
Producer Simon Gilchrist
Executive Producer Dinah Lord
Executive Producer Juliet Singer
Editor Ceri Thomas
Production Company Caravan
*It must be horrible to know that your treatment is denied funding. It actually says that you aren't worthy to get any help straight into your face. I wonder how many suicides this has caused. DISGUSTING AND INHUMAN!*
While I agree this shouldn't be happening to people in these situations, you cannot fund infinite treatments. It isn't about worthiness, it's about helping as many people as possible with the funding the government has provided.
@@Jsfun It still means people are not getting help!!!!
I tried to get help but truth is there is none
I was seeing a psychologist in the 90s and they couldn't help me enough to get on to the ward. What has changed you have to be crawling up the walls now before they even look at you. The mental health service are terrible. It's so sad
Theres actually life threatening mental illness and then theres attention seekers.
Your comment is the perfect example of discrimination towards mental health it is actually hard to get sectioned I told my doctor am having suicidal thoughts and I don’t no if I can hold on for much longer I had a home assessment from the crisis team they offered the wrong support and 2 days later I had taken a lethal overdose witch resulted in multiple liver and organ failure I was in intensive care waiting for a liver transplant plant and was sectioned
Yes it's very sad that you have to be pushed to breaking point and attempt suicide to actually be given decent help and sometimes people don't live to see the help
I agree. I am highly unlikely to be alive by the end of the year. All I need is a method that will work and won't be risky or messy, and lucky for me I've found it. Now I just need to get the items together and I'm gone.
All I've ever had from the doctors is medications of different types, recommendations to local, heavily underfunded, and inadequate mental health organisations, Samaritans hasn't helped because, as far as I'm concerned, talking does nothing. So I talk about it, I'll still feel shit after, only difference is I will have talked about how I'm feeling for the thousandth time. I've spoken to CALM, I've spoken to all manner of people, an NHS crisis team, I've paid £45 and upwards to private practice counsellors costing fortunes in the long run, you name it and yet here I am. I have no idea what the hell is going on, so as far as I'm concerned ending it feels like the logical thing. Don't exist, don't feel like this - seems simple enough to me.
@@iiwii8622how are you doing now? Did you make it through the year? I hope you did
"We don't discharge anyone to the street" I was and many other patients in mental hospital where also discharged to be homeless
Me too. I ended up on the streets.
😪😪😪
Hi ECN Network. Yeah there is no UK mental health 'system'. My father is ex army, seriously mentally ill and gets zero help. I was locked up for five years in a children's mental hospital in Newcastle, England, called Roycroft Clinic. Me and many others were subjected to years and years of abuse. These places are microcosms of abuse. When I was released I was given very little support. I make videos about what REALLY goes on to raise awareness too x I hope you will join my fight for better UK mental health services for all, not just the rich.
I was in an acute ward in Manchester for 5 weeks. The staff were lovely and really kind, but the place was INCREDIBLY understaffed. Every day, around half of them would be agency staff, who could barely speak English and obviously weren’t trained at all in mental health. They just made situations worse and I think that’s why some kids were there for so long (one girl for even 2.5 years). We need more people working and more funding from the government. Hospital agency staff are trained and good at their job, so why should psychiatric hospital staff be given those who aren’t just because you can’t see their illness?
Oh is it on t.v (don't call me crazy) or something................
@@Jess_slay005 Yes, the McGuinness Unit for Adolescent Mental Health, located in Manchester, was featured on the show "Don't Call Me Crazy". It's three episodes can be watched on UA-cam, and they used to be on Netflix too.
Hi Geo xx I was locked up for five years in a children's mental hospital in Newcastle, England, called Roycroft Clinic. Me and many others were subjected to years and years of abuse. These places are microcosms of abuse, I raise awareness of what goes on
If we put more money into mental health it would save us all money in the long run.
treating patients with alcohol and drug problems are bleeding the system, mental health is usually the underlying cause of these issues.
+Tristan Beard They don't put money into mental health, they just want people to die and be gone. Anyone approaching mental health in the UK needs to be arned they will cover their backsides by countless lies because they have no structur ein place to help all the people that need it.
You got the wrong end of my stick there mate.
I never said the system should remain as it is
But good points nevertheless
+akroidian1 I hear you weren't rude you were passionate about a very important issue. I've had mental health problems of my own and they are finally being recognised by not only by the NHS but also me and my family but it's taken many years. I work currently as support worker and want to go into mental health nursing so I can improve the system, I hope I can do this by empowering vulnerable people and stopping abuse.
Instead of the government going on big brother or I'm a celeb they just have to work in one of these places for a whole month and then tell us they're making cuts
Yes, agree with you.
I think just being in a place like this would make me ill. It looks like a prison. I know they are trying to do their best but it’s not working.
trust me it is like a prison, I was placed on a section 3 and sent to east london. you have to keep your door open, have mobile phone taken away ... I slept on a stained bloody mattress for months i only found out when i asked to change it as it was uncomfortable.
Hello Shannon
Homeless hostels are similar but not as bad.
Of course it is not working madame, It does not just look like a prison, it is most likely WORSE than a prison.
North London mental health services are worst in the country with a roving door system of mental health patients becoming more acutely unwell
not if you go privete you got the priey i still say there over sectioing peaple
It's their toxic drugs destroying peoples physical health Golding people drugging them like zombies for weeks on end, ehw yours get worse as they try to e force controls mako g people angry telling lies to patients nothing about recovery or counselor for making people way! Got sectioned mid heart attack in a and e 3p days in hospital no treatment for heart attack or PE on their ecg discharged as no health issues to gp so high. Mood and cardio issues worsened till I got the file this isn't about help or health its about coercive control and processing people in a system that repeatedly retraumatises people they ignore legal requirements section guidelines, legislation on health are and drugging policies! This is so often still nt about helping people! Treatment in community they mean drug them all with same drugs all ha e different issues drugs don't help recovery just keep people compliant! The drugs cause shidal thoughts anger vision loss they never wks about symtoms or dismiss them @tewv they are sectioning women victims of crime and denying their abuse happend then blame patients who get sick from their medications that either the symtoms don't exist or - wait for it + the patients thinking was responsible for their symtoms of tardive dyskinisia and akathesia 😭at that pont I heard a Psychiatrist tell a patient that I told them they were all deluded and I as going to expose their bloody lies and corruption destroying people's physcial health!
Research Antipshycotic drug experiments in animals they are giving people toxic neurotoxins wondering why they all evt worse instead of better! Psych is the biggest con of modern day this is not medicine but social controls experimenting on people! Psychiatrist lack of insight into harm of drugs they illegally prescribe and the long term harm they cause! No they don't have housing support, these are all the things they tell you basically all abandoned till next crime against them, next physical health crisis! You do discharge people to the street because me and my dogs were the ones who saw exactly the lies and ilkaval actions going on! NHS making people sick refusing them actual treatment they need! Cocktails of drugs there were never any trials done! Anyone who foes through it wouod never trust the NHS with their care again! How can you hold people and not trwat a heart attack hold Autistic people illegally for research dismiss others to the streets against regs its about pretending they are help in by people wbislt ignoring the dangers the drugs causing people is horrific suicidal ideas reported by nearly all patients after meds. It before! I'm sure there are some people who need help. Jt they aren't getting any In these barbaric oirltdated systems where patients are constantly gaslight! To hold against will and drug is not a cure for the trauma s most people been through! Their drugs cause life long disabilities and a lifetime to recover from! Lies lies and more lies in my file the ecg from day 1 recorded q waves for 2 days slept it off on painkillers went back as was worse told I was healthy and sectioned after trying to explain abuse I'd been through and past complaints with hospital NE er had a MH diagnosis till went to A and e many making things up and don't cary our any health asesmnt criteria or treatment if marked with a MH tag! Aand E system is filtering vulnerable people into a system doesn't matter if its ten yrs after you tried to get counselling for crimes against you and they never gave you any! Most people bivvestbrgretbisneekkng help from the NHS! If you aren't tskkk g to the kepeope or giving them ideas how to cope especially on drugs that make them unable to think or even walk properly how the hell do they expect people to get better! Have they ever made one person better I doubt it but many have become sick because of their treatment s none of which is based in any evidence! Research haloperidol its one of the worst used in no keys caused neck twisting and to vue protrusion still they call them the happy drugs right! They are deluded and in snail of harm the toxic drugs cause! My friend was a teache psych ruined her life with their drugs gave a somatoform diagnosis to stop her getting help! It's the most corrupt evil deceitful practice harming many washing their hands of them and if you complain they change your notes so make sure you keep a copy every time! It's prescribed harm no therapyl thousand of stories in social media of people harmed and abuse of process and power and drugging regimes lack of actual health care and lies and manipulations by the staff on psych wards!
Nice to see Panorama actually highlighting concerning social issues rather than casting doubts on ongoing police investigations.
I was imprisoned in a psychiatric ward with the diagnosis of
paranoid schizophrenia, even though after admission I never experienced any hallucinations, did not hear voices and did not have any psychotic episodes.
Mel behaved the way she did after she knew she was leaving the ward as her fear of abandonment was kicking in. She didn’t want to say goodbye to the people who had treated her well.
Thankyou for exposing the reality of support services provision for mental health sufferers. The increase in demand for mental health services and lack of funding has got worse since the ocumentary was made meaning that more families are taking the strain, emotionally and financially, which is completely unacceptable in this economic climate
The mental health sector is disgustingly underfunded and what makes it worse is there are people who abuse the system, making it harder for people who are genuinely suffering with mental illness. I've experienced both incredible help with the services and downright disgusting treatment, it's awful.
The way that woman was speaking to the Nigerian guy was vile. Ok if he isn't entitled treatment fine tell him in a reasonable way.
people shouldnt be racist
He wanted a free ride I have no problems with how she spoke to him he’s lucky he got emergency treatment he shouldn’t even be in this country.
You have to pay in to take out that's commen sense,that leaves a major deficit,go back to your own country and that's eu law
@Dav serban fuck you to and what are you on about when you say how do I know he didn't acquire it here he's obviously not got a visa otherwise they wouldn't be shipping him back home
Not really it’s true
they treat these patients like school children or zoo animals...
Yes, that's exactly how it feels.
Then add in very narcissistic personalitys, (the bullies) they are drawn to these jobs for obvious reasons & the "well meaning middle to upper classes" who don't have a clue about most people's lives & it's a cruel & dangerous snake pit.
Thanks for your comment. It helps to know people can see it.
why don't they get a real job?
I work in the mental health services, it can be a very hard job these people are from from treated like animals or children
The "staff" look crazier than the "patients". Terrible. Imagine yourself in such a situation.
The problem is if you are mental distress you in a bad situation with the services available, the government are totally to blame and should be voted out.
Yes exactly
Australia is no different sadly.
The mental health system is failing us all.
Lauren Johnson the mental health system here in melbourne has saved my life 7 times in the last year. They are fucking amazing. Because of the nurses at hospital, my psychiatrist and the continuing team who see me weekly, I want to work in mental health one day. I'd be dead now if it wasn't for everyone who helped me.
Pretty much the same in the US. They don't want to keep people more than 3 or 4 days because insurance does not want to pay for anymore hospital care. They push you out and tell you to make an appointment with your physician which many cannot afford and do not have insurance,
Same in Holland getting worse then they blame the patiënts. Cuts cuts cuts not innoveren beds docters staff etc
The same in Poland - psychiatric hospitals for children looks like from horror films. Money from taxes goes in the wrong direction
Lauren I had an episode eight years ago I was only dealt with for a few hours but it stopped me and all the crap I was doing
Personality disorders are created by severe child abuse. I disliked the comment, "she's going to continue this behaviour," its very stigmatising.
But they are right in saying that. She did continue the behaviour going out and threating suicide and wasting the staffs time and resources. 9 months she sat on an acute ward when people with psychosis and schizophrenia need the bed she is occupying or a person with acute mania, look at the devious look in her face at the start when the guy asks ''but? , sounds like a but in there'' selfish BPD ''oh poor me I don't want to go into a PD Unit. I am going to kill myself''
Personality disorders are rooted by TRAUMA and not just childhood abuse! That's extremely offensive.
And they are a drain on NHS acute care, 9 months she has sat on that acute ward! beds are like £400 a night. DBT and CBT is available in the community as an outpatient via the CMHT. This useless fat lump of lard will just continue her ''self harming'' and wasting the taxpayers money. A place in a PD unit costs even more, she doesn't want to get better, she even says as much, it is highly likely she will continue her devious manipulation of the system and is still doing so. Oxygen thief.
Joe White I hope that none of your loved ones ever have to deal with a personality disorder. Your attitude is sickening. It's 2017, let's not stigmatise mental health shall we? She's not a 'fat lump of lard', she's a patient and suffering mental illness. DBT is the most effective therapy for this condition yes, but, hardly no mental health teams in the UK can fund this, and CBT which is cheaper isn't always effective and certainly not in PD's and therefore some community teams are lacking the skills to help patients with PD, which means the patient gets so unwell under community care they have to be re admitted and becomes a revolving door situation like the man said in the video, because no one wants to fund a specialist therapy for one condition. Patients might seem like they never want to get better or don't want to help themselves that's because they are suffering with mental illness! Their judgement is clouded. Every patient is different. I hope you can understand and sympathise with my comment, there's a lot of hard work going on to get rid of the mental health stigma :-)
Firstly I'm sorry to hear how you've had such bad experiences from within your own family. However, it is worth nothing she is lucky to even be given a hospital bed. I was labelled with PD 18 months ago and cannot get help for love nor money. I was told by mh team I deserved to feel bad. They gaslighted me and my memories around the horrific abuse I suffered as a child. I actively avoid asking for help because of attitudes such as your own.
Experiencing this myself first hand. My brother has Schizophrenia yet they keep discharging him, because of these reasons. He's a danger to himself & the community, and it's causing myself and my mother our own mental health issues. The Mental Health team can't help they said, neither can social services or the police... This will only end badly.
Hi Sinead. Yeah there is no UK mental health 'system'. My father is ex army, seriously mentally ill and gets zero help. I was locked up for five years in a children's mental hospital in Newcastle, England, called Roycroft Clinic. Me and many others were subjected to years and years of abuse. These places are microcosms of abuse, I raise awareness of what goes on
@@MichelleTorez That's terrible, I'm sorry to hear :(
Watching the staff on this has made me feel suicidal!
I have severe depression and anxiety. I recently was assesed and the nurse recommended that I see a psychiatrist for intence therapy. The trouble is I would have to wait for a year to be seen. I will have to wait two months to see a therapist. If I was suffering a physical chronic life threatening illness and was given the same waiting time for treatment I would have cause for complaint. What's the difference?
LoriCiani I've got the same.
Ones a phycial disorder ones mental. There are more resources and medical professions to help with phycial disorders than there are mental
LoriCiani
Science is the difference.The mind and feelings is not apart of body.
LoriCiani same. It's as if they want us to go kill ourselves.....
Sky 4 In a way mental health is physical when you think about it, it's just brain chemistry/chemicals and hormonal imbalances
They hand you over to non professionals who haven't got a clue on how to deal with you. I had one who would say real cruel things about me and my family. You can't prove it because who would believe you over them. She was crazier than me.
Debbie Hale I agree with you. I'm in the same situation and like the term 'fish wives' to describe a lot of these nurses in mental health. They have a rudimentary understanding of what's going on , have little insight and my knowledge of my situation is greater than theirs, and there is no treatment so they have a destabilising effect. I've been told by them I'm wasting their time when I'm suicidal. This video makes me realise they have to ignore people and assume risks. My knowledge is better than theirs and they won't record what I have said in my records if it critiques their organisation, they distort info I provide.
Debbie Hale it's what happens when people get demoralised in their jobs, what can happen when uncaring attitudes go unchecked in appraisals or in organisations where there is no repercussions for these attitudes contrary to that most businesses have with customers.They should be shadowed every so often. It's why we need private health care in certain areas like mental health that people and their employers or governments can subsidise, increasing competition and making insurance for mental health affordable meaning everyone gets great care. Sharing the losses of few by many is what insurance is about. The policies could even be underwritten by the gov at no profit margin.The NHS is anti competitive meaning private mental health care is very expensive. I work from the position if I was the client and her job was at stake via her employers instructed by my insurers, if she didn't give me great care, this fish wife nurse wouldn't be saying I'm wasting her time. That's why we need private healthcare in certain areas. The NHS doesn't work as their is no nexus of responsibility and it's why there is poor care. I need to be the client in a system which is affordable.
Debbie Hale I will help you if I can and if you'd like. I'd love to take on someone's case. I feel I want to do more for others to feel good about a horrible situation as some 'therapy', know how the system works and satisfy myself it isn't just me. It annoys me when I hear of these lefty loons going on about doing things differently in the NHS. It's the worst thing you can do in treating mental health care as a political football and keeping it in the NHS. It will be more expensive privately but we come from the perspective that there isn't really any care at present, it's a huge waste of resources for what money there is in mh, and governments can always subsidise me and others when not working (and when other times I've done reasonably well and paid taxes )
Debbie Hale I'm really sorry to hear that and however horrendous it is for you, you can get through it with right help and having others bang the drum for assistance. I'd be happy to do that if you've got a strong sense of what you need and after having a chat with you, if you like. Do you know what it is you need. My prob is I know what I need but can't get it.
@@Audio456 I know i've read your comment 2 years from when you last wrote but i'd like to talk to someone who suffers the same. my name is adele.
It's a ghastly state of affairs. The NHS is woefully failing people with mental health issues.
you can say that again aha
The government is failing people.
We hardly have beds over here to be honest ! It’s horrendous you don’t even get enough time to get well again then you find yourself straight back in
I work in the social care sector, and the cuts to the budget are hitting us HARD. Just yesterday I (a trainee) was left ALONE with 3 people with challenging behaviour because the other resident required extra support in the community to stop her from becoming distressed and aggressive. It's terrible, people just aren't getting the support they need because the state will not fund it. The social care sector and NHS as a whole is in crisis, and desperately needs more funding, and for that funding to go to the right places. The disorganisation is shocking, and also deliberate to create a sense that the NHS is not worth keeping. It most certainly is. The people who wish to create this sense are people who can afford private treatment. Joe Public on the ground will suffer immeasurably if the Tories have their way.
bigboredthing
Mental health expanding or given money is like giving to a 3rd world country where people are starving and suffering and the government justs pockets the money for themselves.
public unrest is going to happen, sooner or later.
20:05 she talked to that patient like he was an animal. Lady am sure compassion is part of your job description.
Ali Hassan
“What you’re now getting HERE, is called EMERGENCY. TREATMENT.”
Yeah, and for someone who works in “EMERGENCY. TREATMENT.”, she’s doing quite an AWFUL JOB at it......
I have worked in a hospital like this and there are so many people from outside Europe who come into hospital for mental health treatment , it begs belief.
Why do they say "males" and "females" - it's like they are describing animals. Why don't they say "men" and "women"?
TiaraHelen I prefer males and females. I don’t subscribe to the term ‘woman’ it is a role not a state of nature.
Because they are medical terms.
I always wondered that too. I think we need to thank feminism for that.
Because they are british. It is part of british culture to dehumanize people.
Because children and young people suffer mental health difficulties so it would be easier to say male and female rather than men and women if a child was suffering mental health issues
I’m currently showing signs of Bipolar disorder and have had a few manic episode where I don’t sleep for days on end, hear voices, make bad decisions and become very angry, honestly my psychiatrist and my CAHMS person didn’t even do anything to help and yeah idk why I’m writing this I just need help
I had a very similar situation myself and I'm 19. How are you holding up now buddy?
Welcome to post-Thatcher's Britain.
Lmao gtfo, she saved Britain from communism and decline
Where David Cameron was prime minister from 1994 onwards
@@markironside9818 David Cameron was PM 2010-2016 and for the 1st 5 years it was a Tory / Lib Dem coalition
This country UK has mental health right at the bottom of the list. It has been for many years. It is now even worse with the cuts.
I honestly don't think it can last forever, you get too many crazy people in one place and you start to get civil unrest
she said.... your not entitled to treatment in this country....... it's a bit different isn't it? is not like a cold or operation ...... mental health is much different and all should be given help, not just to protect us but also the person suffering
So much for the Hippocratic oath in today's world..
akroidian........ you pratt
get over yourself
Akroidan are you really that deluded ? Just because you had a bad experience in a mental health institution doesn't mean everyone has.
And yes PROTECT us ! I worked in a mental health hospital for a year and worked with very dangerous mentally unstable patients who had committed Grievous bodily harm, rape and even murder due to their mental health condition, attacked nurses throwing boiling water in their face, stabbing them with anything they could find.
But you think it's all wrong and they should be allowed to go free do you???
You could get someone sectioned ? Haha I doubt it, to stay or get sectioned you have to first be assessed by a consultant then have a second opinion from an Independent consultant. We never took people in who someone had called up about and made a complaint like you suggest.
You know absolutely fuck all, so jog on !
Once again you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. No I never worked in broadmoor that's a high secure unit, I worked in a forensic medium secure unit with violent offenders. Some of them commuted offences because their mental health issues weren't noticed in time and they weren't sectioned, If they had been sectioned it could have saved the lives of some of the people they killed but according to you no one should be sectioned even if presenting as psychotic.
You sound exactly like some patients I have worked with, they never believe they are unwell it's always the systems fault not theirs. It's all blame blame blame. When in fact they are presenting as very unwell and delusional just like you sound right now.
Half of the British nation suffering from depression it is very very sad
video actually starts at 0:21. You're welcome
I was discharged due to have personality disorder, they said they don't treat people like us
Hello Melanie Martin
I qualified as an RMN I lasted 2 years and left profession. It was horrendous
Watching this is just absolutely tragic.
The problem is that the people treating these people seem to have no knowledge in treating mental illness, nor the desire to want to help. It just seems like its nothing more than a job to them.
You try it.
well done, blame the staff!
Do you know how much training you need to work in these roles? The NHS is strict with its staff in mental health roles.
As other have said, if you know so much, you work on a psychiatric intensive care unit. You will have to manage people with psychosis, bipolar, borderline, anxiety, PTSD and a whole host of other issues. Sound like fun? It’s complex and the people caring in these settings are only people. They can’t do everything and if they have patients like Mel who are hell bent on self destruction, what can they do? But let me guess- you could do better 👍
The chief executive maria kane featured in this programme was on 200 grand a year
She has now wormed her way into a chief executive job at north middlesex hospital on 300 grand a year
She isnt fit to run a bath...
Darren Kevin What’s wrogn with her apart from her over payed salary?
Sounds as though she went to all the right schools...
😂😂😁
North Middlesex Hospital - possibly the worst hospital in London. No surprise she’s managed to worm herself into this position, destroying one unit after another. She should be sacked.
So sad. This world is too much for us.
Barnet Enfield and Haringey mental health trust should be struck off by the care quality commission,royal college of psychiatry etc
This just makes me incredibly angry. I have no mental disorder. I was distressed that misinformation had been shared by surrey county council to an nhs trust. Surrey County Council divided that wished to act as a conduit to share my data, when my dissent was recorded. It was known that to do so would be harmful to my health. Out of the blue a AMHP Andrew Pattinson rang me late one night. I had no idea what an AMHP was. He threatened to have police force entry and remove me from my home. He informed me this would be to a police cell as there were no beds. I was terrified. I left my home, for 2 years I have fought the council to erase the data. The distress has caused a heart arrythmia, bleeds under the skin, severe trauma. I am a professional wit no history of mental ill health. I will keep fighting for my right to privacy and autonomy. Yet people who need beds can’t get one.
Surrey County Council are a disgrace they have called long term harm and breached industry specificity legilastion. I will never recover from the harm they have caused.
can't wait to start my aprentitceship in mental health
@Ellis 1998, how is it going/ how did it go ?
👆bs
Yeah, good luck! I left after 10 years
Why are there so many foreign mental health workers? I find they lack any empathy or sympathy.
Oh yeah like the black guy crying at the end hoping he doesn’t fail the patient and they get better… 🤷🏽♀️
With the way things are in this world, it's not wonder that we don't have more mental cases.
This is insane, we need more funding, we need to change the system. I'm so angry with how so many go without care, this isn't the fault of hospitals as they're stretched to the very limit with such little funding so what can they do? What can we do to assist or even better the system to make it more effective for both patients and doctors.
Hi MT. Yeah there is no UK mental health 'system'. My father is ex army, seriously mentally ill and gets zero help. I was locked up for five years in a children's mental hospital in Newcastle, England, called Roycroft Clinic. Me and many others were subjected to years and years of abuse. These places are microcosms of abuse. When I was released I was given very little support. I make videos about what REALLY goes on to raise awareness too x I hope you will join my fight for better UK mental health services for all, not just the rich.
The bit where they press the alarm has to be my favourite scene,idk why
The Home Treatment nurse asked questions in a way that woud encourage a service user to feel obliged to agree, and thus be reluctant to honsestly say how they feel i.e. she asked "so you are not having any problems with ..." rather than "are you having any problems with?
This is a completely 180 to the "dont call me crazy" doc....
And much more realistic
@@MentalHealthJourney yeah sadly..
@@MentalHealthJourney once you get to adult services the niceties stop - there is no incentive to help you once you turn 18
@@DevonPixie1991 definitely fully aware of that being under adult services myself!
@@MentalHealthJourney They sell you lies and promises and then turf you out to fend for yourself - most people end up in prison or dead
Great video. MH first to be cut, last to be funded. It needs to be held as high as physical health. What ever did happen to that 220m promised by Cameron? Stay strong people, we've nothing to be ashamed off. A broken arm, leg, heart, brain whatever. X
What about patients who have been illegally kidnapped and detend with a false warrant ?
dont expect any sympathy, just hmiliation ,judgement, abuse, being ignored, provoked into an agitated state, you will be so traumatised, youfeel like a criminal, and you are stripped of everything, locked away and the only therapy is colouring in.
That's true, I've been sectioned several times since my teens, and the last two times I was constantly being told by the nurses I was taking up a bed someone else really needed. Yet every time I asked to be discharged they would say that I wasn't well enough
@@taraelizabethdensley9475
Tara, I am sorry that you have been treated like this.
That's awful to be told you are taking up a bed BUT you can't leave is mental torture.
its so fucked that they have to kick someone out who is the least "unwell" why is it their fault?
get rid of mental health staff and bring in people that care and will do everything they can to help AND NOT DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DESTROY YOU
The mental health staff are incompetent , lazy and uncaring. I know exactly what they are like. Useless.
Good luck with that... tell me when you get your first punch in the face of worst... u have no idea
I'm a mental patient in the U.S. and I see a lot of other patients like me on youtube most videos I see originate in the U.K. somewhere, why? It seems as if schizophrenia is growing there and here, why. We have some availability problems too so isnt it obvious that we need more mental health clinics and hospitals who know how to humanely treat mental patients.
I think our culture (anglosphere culture) is collapsing, I think the reasons why are too big for me to comprehend but I get the feeling we've sort of had our cultural history erased and we're running around in this strange capitalist trap with no group identity, families are a thing of the past and everybody is desperately trying to self medicate the pain away, humans need humans to survive, without love and kinship we go into overdrive and collapse mentally and I think that's what's happening now, all of the people I've met during my stints in hospital have all displayed a very acute lack and in turn craving for unconditional love, even just basic appreciation, validation of persona and the like, people want to feel like they matter and not in a vain way but a healthy sort of 'I am contributing and that makes me valid' sort of way
I find it interesting that most of the people in this documentary that work with the mentally ill are not originally from the UK (non-UK accent)
Maybe it's because they dont have the qualifications
Clive Cookie it is not for some allusion of diversity. 1/3 of UK-born junior doctors quit within the first 2 years due to the nature and stress of the job. i almost did, it feels like you’re desperately trying to keep a sinking ship afloat. we interview a lot of people from foreign countries (people that are qualified and are not immigrants- i myself know many Russian and Austrian doctors in psychiatry) because we need to keep the numbers of staff at a constant level. we would prefer it if more British people wanted to stay working in this profession, however, not many actually do.
@Matt Reynolds Firstly, because this is London which has a high immigrant population, so many of the patients are also immigrants - it's just the reality of a wealthy city with lots of jobs on offer. Secondly, because the pay is very low and conditions very bad for staff, so why would we go into a job like that? We can help in other ways such as becoming a doctor or a teacher, jobs which are paid much better and equally valuable to society.
The mans eyes were so red from tears at the end. It's cruel to give such limited resources to those dedicated staff. It's just all awful, I can't see how anyone can achieve positive results when they are forced to prioritise dividing up and half finishing while being a punchbag for ill people. I think the population needs to take care of itself and then it's own in the community and not expect everyone to be happy all the time. In the end this all stems from someone at some point in the family neglecting themselves so much so that they can't even think about others or their kids and the cycle continues.
Everyone blames the government, yes they are doing a piss poor job, but it's what the individuals do and don't do together that leads to this being allowed to happen. If we hold ourselves and others accountable for what is happening then it's inevitable that things will change. The culture is to point fingers at others, the one pointing is saying I have no power, but they actually do but make a choice not to: by saying only the most powerful has choice..
A 99 year old war veteran with a funding page for the NHS is a great proof of this. Ask yourself this when you next wake up: Am I so weak that I can't out do what a 99 year old did for this country?
It's all warm and fuzzy to say hose them in the community but what about the poor neighbours. I live underneath one for eight years and it was a living hell and that's putting it mildly. I had three suicide attempts in that time and 12 hospital admissions. But no body have a shit. Had to go to court twice and hires lawyer before some thing for done.
Good documentary.
Sadly it's true that the least unwell is discharged.
They discharged me twice because I am not violent.
I barely slept in that place cos the beds were uncomfortable and the boredom got me.
The shortest was 3days.
The entire medical institution within North London - especially around Haringey - needs to be reviewed. Victoria Climbe and Baby P died whilst supposedly under the watchful eye of Haringey social services. The medical director in this documentary - Maria Kane - went on to become CEO of North Middlesex Hospital which is under Haringey and is most probably the worst hospital in London. This is obviously a deep seated issue within multiple units - how are we letting this continue? How are we letting managers skip from unit to unit to destroy them? Haringey has got to be up there as one of the worst areas in the U.K when it comes to providing adequate help and medical attention from the NHS.
so much admiration and respect for those who work in this field
Absolutely.
They pump you full of medicals and restrain you that’s tyranny and not a helpful treatment
Fuck this mental health scam
I had a very severe breakdown in the 1990s , I went from a working man to a very fragile person who was drinking a lot (dealing with a HIV diagnosis ) I was at various times beaten up by police men and flung into the back of police vans like a sack of coal . I was assaulted by plain cloths policemen ( they can and do get away with a lot more because they're harder to identify ) . If anyone knows more about this type of behaviour from Police , mental health staff of staff who are supposed to monitor vulnerable people in the community . Particularly in the mid 90s to mid 00s could you discuss this with me .
Thank you .
Barnet Enfield and Haringey mental health trust are more concerned in cutting corners and freeing up acute beds and scaling down services at st.ann's hospital N15
'our best hope is to give people hope'
I was detained on a 136 by the police had a mental heath access told them I was gonna end my life and they let me out onto the streets. Madness
The nhs are amazing, but the mental health services are s&@%-I was meant to have a monthly appointment with my occupational therapist the other day which got cancelled, surprise surprise, because apparently she had a “last minute appointment” with another patient-I know that the mental health Services are extremely
Stretched but this simply isn’t good enough
mental health staff need to be sectioned or arrested for their crimes - they are abusive and criminal
Like to say what crimes they are commiting
@@cathrynhesketh5703 Wilful neglect and ill-treatment, contrary to common law.
Dont talk such nonsence. You are clearly unwell and need help as you are very deluded.
Their damed if they do, dammed if they don't. Mental health has such a stigma. Godspeed.
Great documentry
On some deep level, government doesn't take mental illness seriously.
I have lost faith in the council and will never trust a social worker or ASC in my life. They have devoted my life. They have harmed my family.
One of the most important comorbidities with mental health disorders is the inequity of our society. Social inequality is a "health condition", not just a circumstantial factor.
It is our failing government that is responsible for the particular ill effects of inequality, iniquity and injustice that make our citizens mentally ill!
This is craziness!
It's all very well putting money iinto the NHS but if the NHS management don't spend it properly, there is your problem: Southern Health's Katrina Percy is a disgrace.
I agree that it isn't all spent perfectly, but we spend less than other nations in the first place.
i worked in private sector as a HCSW and have been around all kinds of pd's all my life and half work in mental health, luck of the draw, i openly challenge the experts in EUPD,PD, and most important NPD which is so common you would not believe how many deluded doctors, psycologists and nurses have this and are horrible people (Andrew T Austin, is regarded as a world leader in the PD field, but is regarded by these experts as insane which is a reflection of themselves which they hide from themselves
i feel sorry for the staffs
2019 BBC being played full blast all day every day cant get away from it. they open your mail and look at you as if your some kind of pet, there tone of voice the way they talk and treat you is unreal at best. the no smoking ban was the hardest part being forced to quit a addiction you refuse to give up because when you want to die a smoke helps believe me (no-smokers) There truly isn't anyone to talk too, they lost my phone charger so i had no phone. no entertainment nothing to do at all apart from walking up and down the same room, i went on a hunger strike so i could have a smoke 6 days without food and i won.. i used the law to get me out and my illness became second to being locked up and not allowed a smoke or allowed outside, your in a prison with no human rights at all the staff are Condescending patronising rude un train africa's that dont care about what your saying but care more about how you talk to them, you are forced to comply because otherwise they threaten you FOR REAL i refuse to talk to any doctor now and i will be free from this hell hole people seem to enjoy so much.. the mental health services are bad you come out worst because i did....
This country has a bottomless pit of money to look after people who take the piss and abuse the system. Before anyone tried to tell me that does not happen I know some of them personally. Yet at the same time can't find funding and support for people in real need of help.
I am appalled and shocked to see that this crisis continues to prevail in the UK. Can't the Government and the powers that be take a more positive attitude towards the mentally I'll once and for all.
Just write the fukn check and this national international nightmare will be over. No bucks no buckrodgers.
Good video guys
Private beds which could cost a 1000 pounds per day each. Well from my experience of psych wards no hot water broken toilets and cheap meals no actual psychological help 95% of the time 1000 pounds for a bed is a lie !
It'll be for the cost of wages of staff helping them etc etc
The two nurses admitted they don't have ability to get therapeutic interventions and for the girl who made numerous attempts. The point is that if they prioritise someone else over her and she completes on suicide then by virtue of that the system would have neglected her because by implication they would have got it wrong not to admit or treat etc. This is a criminal offence under section 127 of 1983 mental health act. Now a health trust have to blow the lid on themselves and criticise themselves to overcome this. But alas most don't. So it's not lack of funding which causes untreated people to harm or kill themselves, its neglect in services and an inability for trusts to be shouting to government as loud as families of dead relatives. Sadly the public, most of who are not severely ill, don't see this. Hence it's not under funding, it's neglect and unwillingness to want to raise the issue and get help for people, where NHS hold the power not citizens through poor ombudsman process etc.
Send them to Buckingham Palace!!!
These people who do this deserve bit more praise and help
Now in 2023/24 we are still the same. The system is broken 😢😢😢
In some countries they still have the consumer chained... seriously???
Barnet Enfield and Haringey mental health trust are constantly on a denial when woeful neglect of mental health patients from the Halliwick centre,harringay assessment unit,Finsbury ward at st.Ann's hospital N15
It's all so wrong how it's dealt with terrible treatment and the hospitals are basically prisons. Barely any freedom in most of them, bad use or overuse of medication just make the whole way mental health is treated worse. Don't see how a pill, barely any talking therapy and a number to call where u wait at least 5 mins for a conversation if you need it is good enough. Tbh I don't think it's a lack of funding, it's the way the funding is used so backwards and helps no one.
guess that’s why one would want to be woken up when september ends..
I'm Irish and I have a mental illness I live in a hostel for people on clozeril medication
I hate our government.
Could imagine how even more fucked it is now and covid
Barnet Enfield and Haringey mental health trust are more interested in selling off two thirds of st.ann's hospital N15 for housing,retail
Can anyone link me the original panorama documentary please?
Dr Katrin Edelman clinical director of Haringey services says that it is a behaviour problem enabling crown prosecution services to prosecute mentally ill inpatients in her care
I'm just filling out a MH service questionnaire as I'm watching this , , wait till your misdiagnosed, in private hospital, costing £800 plus a day, confirmed there's nothing wrong and takes over a year for a commissioner just to sign a letter, to discharge you. ,, it's all about the money, not about helping people that actually need it, and for those people in the community, good luck,
Private ones might be but not public
They just sent that guy to Nigeria to die. WTF!
I was imprisoned for 9 months in an NHS psychiatric hospital even though I had no symptoms of the diagnosis that had been made about me: paranoid schizophrenia.
I was treated terribly, lied to, subjected to terrible living conditions at the Caludon Centre, Coventry. My psychiatrist, Dr. Elanjithara was a lying nutter, bent on injecting me with anti-psychotic drugs, when I wasn"t suffering from psychosis.
No. I don't think I'd get anywhere.
akroidian1 totally agree. It's like a situation where police deal,with people they perceive as criminal when not, so their prejudice rubs off on these people. It's exactly the same with mental health.
akroidian1 the mental health trusts have a very well groomed correspondence system with delays that put people off sticking in the system when it takes 6 months to get anyway. Let's get this straight it's not lack of funding per public perception, it's wilful neglect and ill treatment if they refuse help and someone commits suicide by implication of getting decisions wrong about that person and prioritising others. Laws last year brought physical health in line with mental health as far as wilful neglect and ill treatment. The CEs are unaccountable eg Colm Donaghy in Sussex re Matthew Daley murder but like Matthew Daley there are thousands in Sussex who have had wrong diagnoses. This Daley guy went on to kill because of wrong diagnosis and his family pleading for admittance which was ignored. How can Donaghy apologise for Daley, but I tell Donaghy I've been wrongly diagnosed (I'm not violent at all btw) and am suicidal and he ignores me. It's people who are just making up the numbers and the level of lack of care must run through Sussex partnership like a river of bad blood, if the ce condones neglect for 2 years and ignores me. It's mental health doctors abusing their position to wrongfully diagnose, saying their is no evidence based treatment, not treat and discharge, so Donaghy believes them.
Andrea3rose
Yep.Mental hell is nothing but lies, sex and video tapes.They make fools out of everybody- sorry that happen to you but it should comfort you that 1 out 4 can lose their freedom merely by a finger pointing at them saying that person is bipolar schio and making me unhappy. 😱scary especially if your not in a backward country.