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Rape isn't a shield for regret
No, rape is the new source material for your comedy career. Shut up!
Considering the show's history of pushing drinks on contestants and also not cutting people off (ex. Chad from last season never being cut off when he obviously drank too much before going into a rage), I am of the opinion the producers could have easily prevented this if they weren't so concerned with getting "great footage."
I like Bach shows for the trash they are but I am well aware of how shady production can be. The show unREAL was created by a former producer of the show that was known for her ruthlessness with getting contestants to break. Watching an episode of that, you get an even better idea what the producers are like to the contestants.
While it may be sleazy (if that were even the case), adults are responsible for their own actions. It's not like it was their first experience with alcohol.
Pat Fenis oh dudem watch unREAL you mind will change.
Pat Fenis Sorry just saw your reply now. While I agree people should be aware of their own limits, knowing how alchohol is always conveniently offered to contestants makes the producers in a way the cast's bartenders. Bartenders are suppose to cut people off that appear too drunk and also are suppose to call them a cab. Which is why I think that in situations where contestants are too drunk, producers should be cutting them off.
I should clarify this is more just a thought I have for how the show should deal with extremely intoxicated contestsants in general, and not just this specific situation. At this point this situation has seemed to be resolved as the show is resuming. But I'm assuming the network is going to push the show to be more active in cutting off people that are too drunk.
+Kat - No, producers are producers, not baby sitters, not lawyers, not bartenders, doctors or prison guards. The reason bartenders are expected to act, is to protect the public, not to act as a nanny for the drinker. Just because someone is drinking booze 'in your house', doesn't mean they're suddenly incapable of being responsible for themselves, or are unaccountable for their own actions.
It would seem, as it originally appeared, that no one was 'extremely intoxicated'. This chick made some decisions that she regretted, and instead of taking personal responsibility for her own decisions/actions, she started looking around for someone else to blame them on. The show has said in no way did their staff do anything wrong, meaning, if they change policy it's solely for publicity's sake.
From what I'm getting from this, in short, she regretted it AFTER she initiated the original act, the lines are blurry since both were drunk but with the current information. I don't really think she's the victim.
moopiter I think she was saying she was a victim to the producers for not intervening because they where both drunk but idk
Chia Cath oh no i got drunk stupid producers this is your fault. jesus she is stupid
+Chia Cath The reason I call BS with that is they are both adults and chose to drink and the producers are neither their parents nor their babysitters.
So if a guy and a girl each get so drunk that neither can consent to sex, but they have sex... can they both claim rape?
and both go to jail
They could both claim it...but then again, who'd believe the man?
we know only women can be raped in the eyes of the law. However, a man can be a victim of sexual assault, which is what we usually think of as "rape." The man can claim sexual assault if certain criteria are met.
woman can easily win the case because society doesn't see them as an equal to men. Equality, nope, who need that shit right feminist? As long as we ruin their lives and getting em easy cash.
Tiger H. Lore Usually in such situations, the woman has the advantage, as men are more assumed to be the assaulters. So if both are drunk, more likely in the case of he-said she-said, the judgment tends to favor the female's perspective.
Moral of the Story: Alchohol and sex do NOT mix.
I miss the days when two wasted people would wake up the next day, realize they made a mistake, and then move the fuck on with their lives.
Now everything is rape unless a lawyer is present to see you sign the consent form....
If only I was old enough to drink in those days.
I think the issue with the Bachelor in Paradise scandal is obviously about consent, but if the claims about Corinne being "limp" are true, why in the hell didn't producers stop it? They filmed the entire encounter! The show offers unlimited free alcohol everyday 24/7 and there is virtually no cut off point. Yes, I understand that each contestant is responsible for their own actions of drinking too much, but when will the line be drawn for producers to intervene for everybody's safety? Also, a big issue was that other contestants told producers to stop filming and help DeMario & Corinne, but they ignored their complaints and continued filming for the sake of drama. How is this okay? Why aren't the producers getting more flak?
Seashell Bra I think the show doesn't want to take the heat. They have a show currently airing right now and they don't need the negative reports towards them so hey let's create a story and pin it on Demario say he raped
her ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Why would Demario or any man (let's really think about this one) rape someone or take any sort of sexual advantage of anyone while there's are cameras filming. That's suicidal
You nailed it. I totally agree.
The show is based on pushing the envelope... they probably figured that since they regularly do shady stuff it'd be fine
That's only one side of the story. The crew has also come out to say that no one ever approached them to tell them to stop filming, and that Corinne was lucid during the encounter.
Seashell Bra why are the producers not getting more flak due to an unproven claim? the same reason she is not getting blamed for the cause of this! there is no proof! stop choosing sides and demanding an outcome based on no proof.... God forbid you ever find yourself at the end of unwinnable character assassinations. take emotions out, and act logically. what do we know? nothing, so let's not rush to point fingers.
Still no evidence, but I think the fact that the male wouldn't mind the footage being released gives him more credibility. I also think calling herself a "victim" because she had too much to drink is absurd, does that make him a victim too?
As an Australian - yep we're fucked now.
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I was curious if you could maybe shed some light to the horrific incident in Flint, Mi where the video went viral on fb.. of these teenagers (up to 12 participated) in dragging a 16 year old girl out of her house and viciously beating her..I was hoping someone like you, with your platform, could show just how bad this was, and what kids are doing in this city. Thank you for your time..you're awesome
wait what? the fuck happened there?
In Flint, Mi a girl was dragged out of her house, and viciously beaten for 3 straight minutes.. the attackers recorded the video..The news has been following the story, but the way this is being handled is absurd. I've been trying to find the video again, but so far I haven't found it again. It was on fb as well.
holy crap, that's... fucking crazy o.o
Directionally Challenged did you see it?
I live in Michigan and I haven't even heard about this! That is terrible! Does anyone know how the girl is doing?
Doesn't look like rape to me, just bad decision making by both parties. The worst decision was going on the bachelor to begin with.
Mark G my thoughts exactly. Everyone's saying that Corina called it rape... it was the producer's that called it rape; all she did was blame the producers, they blamed DeMario to get the blame off themselves.
I don't think anyone's to blame except the bad choice to get blackout drunk.
Alex Turner Preach that to the heavans and back!
Im sorry, but if he was drunk too, wouldn't he be able to not consent?
Only works for women
A Human Yeah I know it's bullshit. The double standard is unreal, I guess that's our "male privilege."
Only works for girls man. Trust me.
Hero Beats I know, just pointing out the double standard
she acknowledged this, that is why she's going after the producers. The two stances you can claim are both consented or both did not. He's getting called a rapist etc. not by her but by others that's why he wants the evidence to come to light. She's being criticised for changing the story up.
I respect how Corinne pointed out how DeMario was also drunk and how neither of them could really consent. Many times have I heard stories of two intoxicated people engaging in sex only for one person to accuse the other of sexual assault. Unfortunately, I don't know how fair that is since when both people are incredibly intoxicated, both are unable to give consent. It's a messy situation in which there isn't always a happy ending for all. :(
If I'm understanding your comment correctly, you respect Corinne for accusing DeMario of rape even though they were both drunk and couldn't give consent?
If that was your comment's intent, it's fucked up.
No one took a funnel to her mouth and poured alcohol down her throat. You are an adult... Don't BLAME producers when you apparently can't stop yourself from drinking over your limit.
Lorren Charles the only way I would could blame the producers in this situation is for not stopping what may or may not have happened. Both of them were very intoxicated and therefore neither of them could consent to sex. The producers should have stopped that before anything happened
Lorren Charles If the story of her going limp is true, then the producers could possibly be at fault for recording and not stopping a rape/sexual assault.
The thing is though if they're in the pool and she's going limp the producers should have put a stop to it immediately.
Both were drunk.
Judgement is impaired and everyone's reaction to alcohol is very different.
The accusation of rape is worrying, yes, for both parties involved. However.
I'm a little more concerned with the fact that they were swimming, she was going limp, and the chances of accidental death by drowning was 50/50.
Of course, that scenario didn't happen but that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.
If you're doing a show VIA script and you know what is meant to happen then you should set some form of limit. Sure, you're trying to pass it off as reality... But what's more "real" than someone from the producing team stepping in to say that it's enough and to go sleep it off...
Reality shows have this extreme habit of cultivating situations which create highly dramatic moments. What I mean is, they want you to get drunk, they want you to act like a fucking moron, and they want you to be sexually promiscuous... however in a lot of cases contestants don't want to go over a line, they don't want to whore themselves out on camera. They're fine with acting like villains or getting into each others faces or drinking but they HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY: "IF I act like a fool, or am doing something I don't want to be doing, don't let me do it." The show could have easily allowed them to get raunchy and then pull them apart... There is no reason for producers and camera people to try and ascertain whether or not something that just happened is legal or consensual, if it WAS EXPLICITLY consensual. When the producers filed misconduct reports that took this out of a he said she said scandal and made it into allegations. They are actors. I know that's tough to swallow, but they are acting on set, they are encouraged to make it feel as real as possible... but they are still acting.
The show, the producers, and the network had an obligation to protect both parties. And I applaud Corrine for putting the blame on the show rather then DeMario (DeMarino..? Sp?)
I'm personally glad we live in a world where I don't have to be responsible for my actions as an adult but can just blame other people because I do stupid, dumb stuff literally all the time....but you know....its not my fault. I'm a victim. other people around me should really stop me from doing dumb stuff and making a mess out of my life.
I feel releasing the tape would be an easy way to solve the whole thing. Demario wanting that seems to me like a vote of innocence. If he truly was the one in the wrong, it would be obvious on the tape, and he wouldn't want it shown.
Katie Page The problem with that is its somewhat pornographic and both people can sue as if it was a leach sex tape.
+Saben Butts Only if it was released without their consent and only if it was publicly. It can be used in court without anyone's say. From what i can tell he wants it publicly released though.
They are both guilty. They're both victims and both aggressors. Either both should be brought up on sexual assault charges, or neither of them, since both were too drunk to give reasonable consent.
Treating one of them favourably without additional, unbiased information would be sexist and unreasonable.
acrefray - exactly
Katie Page Honestly that might depend on the angle(s) that may have been recorded. An angle of him over her as her limbs splay out on the ground could damn him as much as an angle of her taking command from underneath could save him.
I'm not making any points, but simply asking for clarification, how can you state that you have no recollection of an event, but still say that it traumatized you? I'm not making a point, just asking a question.
Offensive Gen.
Knowledge of the event after the fact, events that happen after, others reactions (or lack of them), etc.
I was in a car accident, that did not hurt me at all in terms of pain i think, but i lost my memory, I have no memory of the accident, or what i did afterwards, but I see picture of me clearly standing there in blood, or sitting at the side waiting for the ambulance while people who pass by is helping. I have few memories when i was in hospital and i could talk in coherent sentences when i apparently had "goldfish" memory for a brief period of time few days... as a guy that has never tasted alcohol in my life. it is the pictures of me functionally moving around when i have zero memory of being in that situation or that location I assumed i woke up in the hospital. seeing me that isn't me is the only thing that disturbed me in that accident, and i could see it traumatizing someone. the car accident itself left me no marks, even thou people who came to help assumed i was dead.
Maybe it is similar, not sure if it applies to someone who is seemingly used to being in a state where they have no recollection.
It's to make claim to a lawsuit
In this case, Yes. That's understandable. But to say you have NO recollection of an evening because of alcohol, and then to say that you are traumatized that you had sex with someone by only hearing about it is almost impossible. Unless you have had that traumatization before, just hearing about it should not traumatize you.
I had GHB slipped in my drink at a bar once. I remember a little past drinking that drink, a few flashes of me stumbling in the streets in my thong, and then waking up around a toilet in the morning.
I don't recall what happened that night beyond that. But I am still traumatized by that night- it is the loss of control and the not knowing what happened that is traumatizing to me. I assume, similarly, being told that stuff happened that you don't remember can be traumatizing.
It does raise an interesting question if she would be traumatized if this hadn't been filmed and people weren't telling her that it was a traumatic event? As in, if this wasn't a public occurrence, would it be as traumatizing or traumatizing at all?
How is it rape if she consented while drunk? It's her fault as much as it's his. Imagine if someone got drunk and then sat behind a wheel, would that person be right to claim innocence because he/she was drunk? I don't think so, that person would be sent to jail or fined for drunk driving. Fuck these double standards
First of all when one is drunk they can't consented under the law in America so if you have sex with a drunk girl and she says you raped her you did, so point of the story don't have sex with drunk girls, don't try to get a girl drunk to get in her pants , if you can't hook up with a girl when she is sober, and you get her drunk to do so your raping her more or less.
> I know if I was a guy, I would refuse to sleep with a drunk person in order to protect myself
I mean, that's all very well and good to say sober, but drunk as shit yourself its hardly so clean cut. The whole point here is that drunk people don't always make great decisions.
Also worth noting here that the mens rea is very important. Basically this means that if you honestly believe the other person consents (and a reasonable person in the same situation would also believe so) then it can't be rape. Of course, mens rea can get... complicated when you're talking about inebriated people...
so if you can't make the decision not to sleep with a drunk person because you are drunk and therefore unable to make decisions...couldn't it be argued one can not consent when drunk? But then where does the responsibility go if someone is injured, physically or psychologically? Just like when a drunk person gets behind the wheel of the car.. they aren't doing it with the intent of hurting people and they wouldn't do it sober. I guess all becomes very complicated and problematic when looking where to place blame when someone is injured (feels they were sexually assaulted or taken advantage of in a situation like this).
It does present a potentially interesting and complicated dynamic, and if you were talking about only one person being drunk there is a case that *could* be made that it's exploitative.
That said, I personally fundamentally disagree with the notion that somebody can't consent when drunk; I've done it myself countless times. Sometimes even out of my tree on psychedelic drugs too.
My choice to take the drugs (including alcohol) and my choice to accept that I may do things I wouldn't do sober because they seem fun in the moment. I mean shit, what do people think these drugs are for? Lowering your inhibitions is part & parcel of the point of the things.
The fact that both of them were drunk means neither of them can be accused of rape
Regardless of political views it will be awesome to finally have clarity on whatever the heck happened. At this point I'm getting tired of Nobody reporting the actual facts (except for Mr. DeFranco) I have my opinions but what really matters is the truth. Whether what I believe is right or wrong is a relevant. The American people deserve truth and not fabrication at this point
if they were both drunk, they're both victims of their own recklessness
Wrong. If they are both drunk, and sex is involved, well the guy goes to prison for 10-20+ years.
If the girl is drunk and the guy is not, well the guy also goes to prison for 20-30 years.
If the guy is drunk and the girl is not, then nothing happens. Too bad you got sexually molested by a female.
#FemalePrivilege?
LiveLife 101 ikr
LiveLife 101 hermesmann v Seyer - if she gets pregnant she can sue for child support, even if the pregnancy occurs by illegal means.
LiveLife 101 not only that but she played the victim card because she is a woman
Which is why the producers should've stepped in fam
I think that the police should watch the video evidence and they should determine whether it was rape or not. Corine has said two different things and even though if it is real it's hard for a victim to admit that they were raped, people may not believe her and they might think she's just changing her mind for the attention (for lack of a better word). I feel like that would put the thing to rest.
Ashley W they were also both super drunk, too drunk to consent on both parties
Ashley W that's what's probably going to happen
tytygirl11 which is why only oral sex occurred
tytygirl11 does that mean they raped each other and both get punished?
Ashley W Its Rape guarenteed.
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Philip, it is refreshing to see a media personality that is not out to destroy the POTUS but is willing to acknowledge that there may be no fire where there is smoke.
"After he finished, which only lasted a few second."
Ouch. Apply cold water directly to that sick burn.
Hey, we'll bang ok? Anyone who has had drunk sex knows that alcohol turns you into an absolute powerhouse for hours. Something fishy here
I'm Australian, and TBH I don't like Turnbull, but it was so obvious that he was messing around. People get too easily offended, and can't take a joke these days
Maddi F I've been scrolling a while and I don't see anyone who's offended by this story. I certainly am not, I thought it was hilarious!
Maddi F Were Australians they should expect this from our country lol
as far as I'm concerned, Corrine was playing a character. she may have had real motivations to play that character, but in the end she did what she did to keep herself in the limelight and keep from getting booted. and I can assure you, people do not allow themselves to be sexually assaulted for publicity. blaming her or De Mario based on their characters in the show is like blaming Alan Rickman for Micheal Gambon's death because Snape Killed Dumbledore.
" I can't remember anything that happened but will be seeking therapy for dealing with the emotional trauma stemming from events that I have no recollection of " lmfao
tarwagon people are drugged and raped and they wake up to the news that somebody took advantage of their unconscious body. They may not remember the rape but it doesn't make it any less traumatic, it still happened.
Rachel Wheatman yes, I do realize and agree with that, this particular incident seems a tad suspect with the details given, unfortunately there are also people who seek to profit when given an opening, I'm not saying that's the case here necessarily, with cameras all around I'd hope better evidence comes to light either way
tarwagon yeah I think it's too early to 'take sides' on this particular case. As you say hopefully evidence will prevail either way
absolutely ,they might have some evidence from video but who knows if anything was recording at the time of the alleged incident
If you don't want to take sides, why did you post this comment?
consent ain't taken as serious as it used to be. I'm constantly pissed in school because girls get away with groping me and laughing it off by saying "oh shut up you love me" or "you liked it shut up"
Edgar yeah towards men its a problem cause women can get away with it
Edgar I know right. They touch and slap my ass and make it seem like it's nothing. Just because they are girls. Disgusting.
Edgar that's not ok. I'm sorry girls are doing that to you.
go and report them for sexual harassment and tell the teachers or whoever how uncomfortable they make you feel.
Susan Kaiser most of the time the teachers or administrators do nothing or even say the same thing the other women said to you when they did it to you and you complained.
I don't get how men are rapists for having sex with a consenting adult when both of them are drunk. How did he rape her anymore than she rape him?
JMs World But I never said she never remembered it, and even if she didn't how does that make it right for a guy to lose his life? If a guy actually DID rape a woman but was drunk and didn't remember it the next day, does that mean he didn't rape her, but in fact because she was sober she raped him? I guess my point is that if both parties do the exact same thing, how is it that in this day and age where everyone is equal, male or female, one person is a victim and the other is worse than a killer? And for the record I detest the idea of rape and I believe anyone who is knowingly raping another person should in fact lose his/her life. But as someone who is months away from legally being an adult, and knowing of quite a few bitches who would actually purposely get drunk and cry rape the next day just to get back at their (now ex) boyfriends, this is by far one of the scariest nightmares I have that could actually come true. And honestly it doesn't help that I'm black if a rape allegation actually did go to court.
Zephyrus Auron she said she did not blame him, but the producers for not interfering .. at least this is how i understood it...
Helvetica09 I can totally understand why she would be pissed about that. Making money and filming a drunken mistake is disgusting, but knowing reality tv it doesn't surprise me.
Helvetica09 If that is true, then it's interesting how both sides spin the freaking story. One side just wants to witch hunt a person for rape even though the victim herself isn't blaming him. And on the other side they want a witch hunt for a liar on a serious issue when she's something totally different.
Exactly, so if both people were raping the other, why does one go to prison while the other one is a victim? Also I think we put waaaay to much power into alcohol. Yes, in large doses it can kill, but very rarely if ever does it make you do what you don't want to do. Whereas actual drugs Can make you do want you don't want to do, like date rape drugs.
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thanks for existing PDS 💜 it's amazing to get informed and also have the ability to form an opinion from information not forced bias.
They we're both supposedly black out drunk so neither of them could consent. Why is she the victim, then? Aren't they both victims? I'm so confused.
Haven't you heard, women are always the victim, regardless of their actions.
DoopieDoOver .. it sounds like she was blaming the producers of the show who stood around to watch, not the guy.
No one is a fucking victim two people did something drunkenly
DoopieDoOver because liberal cunts have brainwashed everyone to think women can only be victims
She's the victim because if she isn't then she cheated on her boyfriend, and that obviously can't be true.
This abuse from Phil needs to stop, I'm tired of being called beautiful and a bastard. All it does is make me like the video.
Zero space053 I agree with this statement
UA-cam has already taken steps to address this situation by demonetizing him for calling us bastards.
I love the opening shtick, but do we ever not "just jump into it?"
I DEMAND DeFranco ranting for several minutes before getting to the meat of the matter (incoherent, beatnik-style ranting).
Give us more of your gorgeous voice and jump-cut awesome sauce!
Knowing that that guy got at least 9 times the goal literally is the most heartwarming thing ever
Watching The Bachelor in Paradise is the opposite of paradise.
Thanks for doing what you do, Phil!! You inspired me to make videos about the news!
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exactlyyy it's astounding to me that just cause the two play villains on these shows makes people jump to the conclusion that they're bad, it's all fake ppl it's all fakeq
saying "she was slutty before so she asked for it" is the same as saying "the way she's dressed is asking to get raped." it's wrong. HOWEVER she is wrong and SHE CONSENTED in a written statement. She is trying to save face and destroy someone else's reputation in the process. to say " I was in no state of mind to make that decision" DOES NOT FLY. if she had chosen to GET IN A CAR she would have been slammed with no mercy and got a DUI and would have been LAUGHED at if she tried to say she was in no state to make driving decisions. part of being an adult is choosing when, where, how much and who you drink with. She is fucking guilty and should be fucking ashamed for trying to destroy this man.
I knew it
agreed ^
Obviously in order to prove guilt they need to review the tape, right? Am I stupid or isn't our court system all about innocent until proven guilty, and they have potential proof right there.
You are absolutely correct about the court system of Innocent until proven guilty. Sadly... the more annoying court of "public opinion" is rarely so objective.
Woo, Australia made it into the news for once. haha
The tape absolutely needs to be released, it's a crucial piece of clarification for a person's life. Her being intoxicated doesn't qualify it as rape, so whether or not she was conscious is important.
The sexual assault may have or have not happened. I want the video to be released to the police before I make any assumptions as it's not fair to either party just jump to conclusions. They were both very drunk so I'd argue that both of their recollections of the night will be distorted. Let's see the evidence.
Edit: witnesses generally aren't seen as reliable, especially when there are disagreements amongst the statements.
Tony Prince If a female did what he did, then she would have been the 'raped' one.
Emily Lavis Exactly this. I don't see why there is a debate. We need evidence, not conjecture. Whoever is lying will get caught. No need to judge anyone until that point.
Gracie Amy-Dressler we don't know what he did to call it rape. More so, the guy involved seems to be the only one who wants the videos released to prove his innocence. if I was a potential rape victim, that would be the first thing I'd ask for. So the real question here is why isn't she pushing for it to be released if she truly wants answers?
Rachel Jackson I was more of commenting on gender in rape cases, especially like this. The woman is almost always portrayed as the victim. Personally, from the little information we have, it sounds like she just doesn't want to take responsibility for what happened because she was drunk. I agree that because he actually wants the video to be released he seems innocent. As a rape victim, I think the truth is the most important thing, and I think the video is where that'll be found.
Yes, release the video evidence. Obviously for scientific reasons and to prove his innocence.....................................................Yep.
It's probably not right to come to that conclusion about Corinne, however, I had a feeling before the show even started filming that there would be some serious drama had they invited Corinne to participate. She's the walking definition of a drama queen. Furthermore, I think it's extremely telling that all of her "besties" from the show, that were in paradise with her, have unfollowed her on social media and they all have since followed Demario. I think Corinne probably drunkenly hooked up with Demario and later on realized the trouble that would cause within her relationship, so she changed her story.
N Rozay It's really scummy of her to try to make someone a sex offender just to protect her shallow relationship.
N Rozay I'm sorry if I sound rude but as I keep looking through the comments I keep getting surprised and confused when I see "Corinne" because that's my name. My name is spelled "Corrinne" but it's not often I hear or see another person who has my name. So at first glance I got confused, then I remembered that the story is about the contestant which dials down the confusion. Again, sorry if I came off rude. Also sorry if I came off as attention seeking.
Shut up, Corrinne.
If this lady is willing to make rape allegations to try and save a relationship, she deserves to be in prison.
CD butter sorry if I come off as rude, but WHY exactly did this need to be said?! Nobody really cares. I'm all for speaking your mind but what was the point?!
Thank you for sending money to that gofundme. That's incredibly awesome of you!!
And thank you for donating it up to an even number!!
This tape needs to be released for anything to come to light. Shame in other cases there is no tape so it really is 'what he said/she said' - which can lead to rapists getting away with it and men getting falsely accused.
My question about the whole situation is what do we call this? Because if both of them were drunk, and neither one in a state of consent, then who's to blame. Neither one sexually assaulted the others, and if this were to happen when no one was around or filming, has any crime really been committed?
Nyayaang Luak Personally i would call it nothing and move on. But that's not how merca works and it will get pulled on and on into oblivion.
When people were sane they'd call it a bad night and get over it.
Nyayaang Luak neither of them are the victim they are just two adults who made a mistake and regretted it in the morning the only reason why she's making a big deal out of it is because her boyfriend
Nyayaang Luak we call it sex, two drunk people had sex. The girl ended up regretting the sex because she has a boyfriend. It's called having sex and making poor choices.
Rebecca Raymond Both these adults are to blame first and THAN who ever recorded is to blame second.
Wow. While I am 100% behind no person being used without consent, I urge everyone to remember that if you are going to drink to do so responsibly. This kind of situation happens far to often. It never ends well.
the responsibly part comes after you drink. you take responsibility for your choices instead of faking being a victim to save face.
Being drunk can easily get you into messy situations one way or another. That's why people always say DRINK RESPONSIBLY.
Responsibility starts from before you make the choice to drink. Do I have a driver? Do I have a wingman to help me stay safe? Am I in a safe environment? All are questions you ask yourself BEFORE you take chances with your well being.
A woman's past, wardrobe, or attitude NEVER equals consent. This should be investigated with no bias. Being raped is never asked for.. EVER.
The car horn vid was just as perfect I hoped it would be.
anyone else still mad about the unsolved rubiks cube behind his head
Remote Gaming yeah
Remote Gaming I didn't see it and now I can't unsee it
I wasn't before, now I am
Damn you
Remote Gaming I am now 😂
Remote Gaming i am now
That show is nasty, if you're in a relationship, why waste your time on a show like that, knowing what's involved.. trashy show for trashy people.
Natalie Holland because they are actors this is a TV show not everything on TV you see is real I can't believe you thought it was real
I never said it was real nor did I think it was real. All reality shows are fake these days.. I can't believe you assumed I thought it was real. Not everyone in the internet is an idiot.. smh
I'm elated to see so many people banding together for the good of someone who is having a rough go at life right now. I honestly got a little misty eyed with that story.
Guys need to band together and stay vigilante against errant accusations of sexual impropriety. Rape is a terrible evil tragedy but falsely accusing someone of rape is a terrible evil thing to do as well.
Never in my life would l expect Philip Defranco talking about bachelor for 7 minutes. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 l can't.
Jay Diggy No, buttttt i just caaan't 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jay Diggy in sorry. I do understand the seriousness of the story, but still he was talking about it as if he knew who they are. I mean l watch the bachelor franchise and both Corinne and Demario are questionable people. Corinne has a history where she showed she likes her sexuality and leads with it and Demario is known to lie sooooo l don't really have an opinion who is right or wrong. Only the footage could say (if there is a footage of this)
Jay Diggy but the whole controversy whether this was rape or not is there because we don't know whether she consented. If she was limp and kept sliding under water, it's obvious she wasn't able to consent. Not saying that this was definitely the case, we're only going to find out when the footage is reviewed.
Jay Diggy but women have also told the truth and the man was not convicted or punished. In this case, maybe what you're claiming is the truth, that wouldn't be a new revelation that some people do that. But I also think it's not right to claim that she's lying with no proof. If she was raped, denying what she went through is prwtty fucking traumatizing
when people drive drunk, we blame the driver. When people get drunk and get into bad situations, why is it always someone else's fault? Obviously non consensual sex is always wrong and the fault of the aggressor, but in terms of two very drunk people... take responsibility! You both made a bad decision to drink too much, knowing alcohol will inhibit your abilities.
Clearly it wasn't a bad decision, she enjoyed it and regretted it only after other people found out. Women love cheating on their men.
Evoo yes, women love cheating on their men, this is an all ecompasing truth. fuck you.
Limbo Studios "Fuck you", the greatest and most informative argument in the world.
Evoo and a very sexist generalization is a good argument? get the fuck over yourself
My thoughts exactly. Like yes, it may have gone too far but they were both annihilated..kinda hard to blame one person. Im sure we have all gotten too drunk and done stupid stuff...we don't go around blaming everyone else.
Re: Bachelor in Paradise story. Oddly enough my favorite part is where apparently onset they watched it happen and then asked afterward if it was consensual because that sounds to me like this went through their heads: "Is she being raped? I can't quite tell...best wait until it's over and then ask." Which seems outrageous to me. If you think someone's being harmed, if you're going to intervene it seems like the better time to do it would be before it goes any further. As for the woman's past promiscuity, that doesn't mean she can't ever get raped. If she was incoherent, unconscious, or slipping in and out of consciousness, then she can't give consent. If you don't have consent, or if consent is revoked either by default (gave it while sober, during the course of the sex alcohol got to the person and they passed out) or by being told the person wants to stop while sex is already occurring, it doesn't matter if the person has fucked everybody up and down the continent or how far along the current sex is, you gotta stop and if you don't that's rape. IS that what happened? I don't know, sounds like something for a court to decide.
A rape allegation shouldn't be tried to be made redundant because of someone's history. It makes no sense and it is essentially a form of slut shaming. I don't particularly care about the case, but if the rape allegation is made a person's history, unless they have made false allegations before, doesn't contribute to the case.
"After he finished-which only lasted a few seconds." *OH*
macaroni mother she has a platinum vagina
deckleberry ugh true. 😩
I think that would be more painful than pleasurable.
DagrrMouse idk i mean this man busted in a few seconds
macaroni mother he said he was to drunk to get it up sooooo
I feel like if the footage from the episode comes out, it will be a whole lot easier to figure out if the rape did or didn't happen, as this whole "he said/she said" isn't really reliable until you see what happened. I'm not saying the rape did or didn't happen, I just think we all need to wait and see until the footage comes out so we can figure it out better from there.
It happened, we all know it happened and justice *will* be served. Corinne has proven herself to be a sexual predator time and time again and now she will finally be prosecuted for it
If they were both drunk off their asses, it's not rape. It's irresponsibility. Both of them are only guilty of having terrible judgment skills.
If he was drunk and she was tipsy, it was her fault.
If she was drunk and he was tipsy, it was his.
If they were both so drunk that their judgment was impaired, it doesn't really matter who initiated or not, because one could argue that she/he didn't REALLY consent either.
Eliza Ashley your right. I also blame the TV producers. If they saw that both people were very intoxicated and couldn't really consent to having sex, then they should have intervened.
Past behavior speaks to character. The important part of this story is that we infantilize adult women, claiming that a drunk woman can't consent, but a drunk man can. This is a ridiculous double standard.
If you watch any of these Bachelor/ette shows, it's your fault for creating a market for this trash.
First six minutes of the show, two people get drunk knowing the risks and does something stupid.
Mohammad I I
Okay so they both say it was consensual then when Corrine finds out her boyfriend might see the footage she screams rape? How has everyone not called bullshit on this story yet?
The golden rule, don't drink around strange men if you know you get a little wild while drunk. Same reason why I don't drink around some of my female friends because I know they get a little wild, I get a little wild, and something sexual could potentially happen that may or may not ruin a friendship when we're sober. Most of everyone knows exactly how they act when drunk, so drink responsibly according to your current situation. If sexual interactions isn't considered comfortable or acceptable between the two of you when sober, then there are going to be some regrets in the morning. And it's not worth the risk of hardship and awkwardness in your friendship just to get your genitals wet. Common sense.
Irrelevant to her past history is the fact it's been established that BOTH where drunk so either both are guilty or neither are, and yet we've already labelled him the perpetrator, and her the victim
The Australian PM's roast is the 1st good thing he's done since being elected lol
Who knew Turnbull had a sense of humour. Let alone, being capable of a self deprecating joke.
MartianEmily I’m still waiting for him to actually do something -.- This roast has been the only gpod thing from him so far omg
Must be doing a good job because the country hasn't imploded. Don't say he hasn't done anything because it isn't true - and don't take your current standard of living for granted. He has done something great for the country, expanding upon the Snowy Mountains scheme (that is only one thing as well).
Honestly I always suspected he was, but when you're beholden to people like Georgie Porgie and Toned Abs, it's hard to be yourself when your true self is pretty much a centrist in a quite conservative party.
I just wish he would stop his welfare witch hunt.
Drunk man- Grown adult responsible for his actions at all times...
Drunk women- grown adult responsible for her actions, unless it comes to sex... then she's obviously unable to make coherent decisions...!
While that social stigma exists, all reasonable conversations about consent establish that neither men nor women can consent while intoxicated.
To be fair, she said the other guy was just as innocent as her. It was the producer's fault for not stopping them. Still sounds like bullshit to me, but there you go.
It really sickens me how true this is. As a woman and as someone who is the older sister of a brother in college.
Lay Z because our cock is evil
Lay Z in this case it seems to be the other way round. People aren't accusing him of rape; not even the woman. Phil said most of the hate is directed at the woman because she has a history of hooking up.
When your prime minister goes viral internationally 😂😂😂😂😂 for the wrong reasons.
I wonder if the rape allegations are just a ploy to not only save her relationship but also to make a ton of money. Or the making money is a nice bonus of trying to escape blame without directly blaming the guy. It's probably the best escape plan she could do.
let me get this straight, they were both blacked out drunk and got freaky in the pool. HOW IS THAT RAPE!? I mean I get if they got mad at the everyone for allowing that to happen but I don't see how its rape
Red Truth That's the law, it sucks and it's a huge double standard but it just shows how women are more protected than men In the law.
No one should have to stop you from making stupid decisions. Can't blame everyone else for you being a fucking idiot lol. This whole story is ridiculous.
I mean we still don't know exactly what happened
I don't think they mentioned that DeMario lost consciousness though. :/ And someone said Corine went limp, so in that moment, if it's true, it became rape
If a person is impaired by alcohol they are considered incapable of consent and it is rape, even if they say yes. This is something I read on some website when I asked "when is it considered rape" on google it is apparently about the US law on the subject.
Why not just release it? What does she have to hide? seems shady
Ass We Can u do realise she doesn't have the tape the network does so even if she wanted it to be released she'd still need the network's permission
Well, she accused him of rape, so if she was telling the truth why would he want the tape to be released just to be exposed as a rapist?
Wilner's wonderful world yes but if the producers really cared like they claim to that table have been already released but since they claim to false allegations they're scared of what's going to happen when the tape is released and it shows that they lied
Yes but if that footage can put a rapist away and prove that he deserves to go to jail then why wouldn't you release it
It would only be showed to judges, honestly who cares, she was the one accusing him of rape and if you do such a thing you must be able to prove it or it will be lying. Lying about rape is a crime in itself you know
Omg Phillip DeFranco I'm the same way with numbers😂 me and my mom fight over whether or not 5, 15, 25 on the volume is okay or not😂😂😂 I say yes because 5 is in the middle and both sides are then even
The line generally drawn where drunk sex becomes rape, is when the drunk person is so inebriated that they are either so out of it that they aren't aware of what's happening or when they are unconscious. The only reason that people perpetuate the narrative that 'drunk sex is rape' is because some college campuses have taken stricter campus policies than the 'unaware or unconscious' rule. Legally speaking, even in cases where it can be verified that the victim was actually unconscious during the time sex occurred prosecutors still won't often touch the case because the victim contributed to their own condition and they know juries will sway against the victim. If she did indeed pass out and he continued, then there would be a rape case. If she was both conscious and aware during the act, there is no rape case. At least in the eyes of the law.
what's the point in arguing about the bachelor thing, the only way we can know who's telling the truth is if they release the tape
Jake was drunk.
Josie was drunk.
Jake and Josie hooked up.
Josie couldn't consent
The next day Jake was charged with rape
The point above highlights the double standard often used with these allegations. If Josie can't consent, is it fair to assume Jake can? When two drunk people hook up, the female is often painted as the victim and the male as the aggressor. Even if they are both equally drunk. I am in no way trying to justify rape or sexual assault in any way. It is completely unacceptable - full stop. But there is an important distinction to be made between this and the Rapist Brock Turner case, for example. One involves two drunk people, both of whom were probably too intoxicated to give consent. The other involves raping someone unconscious behind a dumpster.
If she was significantly drunker than he was, then yes it's rape. But if he was was significantly drunker than she was, would she be a rapist and he a victim?
Tyler K
It's unlikely for two people to be equally drunk (and no, being more drunk doesn't make a victim of rape the aggressor), and men _can_ report such an event as rape.
The situation of "Jake was drunk, Josie was drunk, they had sex, Jake couldn't consent, the next day Josie was charged with rape" is as legally valid as the same situation with Josie being the victim.
In both cases, the victim doesn't have a good chance of winning the case, unless there was hard evidence (video recording, audio recording, photographs, etc). The other party will likely claim they are not responsible due to being intoxicated.
You don't seem to care about the facts here because you opened with your ridiculous scenario where "Jake" gets charged with rape because both people were drunk. No one knows what happened between DeMario and Corinne right now. Some "sources" say she was passed out, others don't. You are so quick to assume she is falsely accusing him of rape when she hasn't even done that at this point. Right now, the blame is only being put on the producers. Yet you're here decrying men being falsely charged with rape, when that's not even what's happening. Disgusting.
Lady Presh-Presh True, the fact that she is saying that she wants to get a clear view of the situation as a whole shows that she isn't immediately jumping to rape allegations. Seems pretty fair and rational to me.
I thought they were claiming that she was unconscious? Weren't they saying she 'slipped below the water' and DeMario pulled her back up?
Tyler K ii
i've never been more proud of Malcolm, he may actually become more popular after this
"I don't know what happened that night, but it was probably negative" "I'm seeking therapy for mental and physical trauma" WHAT TRAUMA IF YOU DON"T EVEN KNOW IF ANYTHING HAPPENED
can we please go back to being adults....if two people are drunk fucking around and they regret it the next day thats not rape...thats a shitty night.....of course their are exceptions but this story just makes him to be the bad guy
beach bum0331 agree
agree!
beach bum0331 Agree.
beach bum0331 Welcome to a man's world, where one stupid night could potentially lead you to a 6 year prison sentence and a label of a Rapist for the rest of your life........ It's come down to recording everything I do with a woman, Of course 100% of women never lie about being Raped.
***** If she has made this up I think we should request a punishment for False Rape victims, I this is a controversial subject but being accused of rape is soul crushing and mentally a death sentence for the accused person.
Wait, a female had sex with someone, later regretted it and then called it rape? That's unheard-of and definitely hasn't happened countless times before.
Jaxa 1 Thanks, didn't see that. It's fixed now.
If they are BOTH drunk as described then neither can consent. So guilt should not always fall on the man in a case like this. This of course is muddled further because both have a monetary incentive to sue the production company.
i literally have no idea when these videos end. every time he says the whole secret link shtick i think the video is ending and it catches me waaaaaaay off guard 😂
Anyone who starts their official police statement with "I am a victim" can't be taken seriously.
Since I think women have the same ability to think for themselves as we men do, it would be against my beliefs to automatically throw the blame on the man in a situation where both parties are drunk. However, I am aware that some poeple, many modern feminists for example, rejekt the possibility of women being capable of thinking. So I guess we need to sort out whether all women are stupid of if feminists are misogynist idiots before we can solve this.
Simon Hampus modern leftists, are racist and sexist, the bigotry of low expectation
Bachelor story:
I think they have a right to blame the producers; but if had happened in the real world there would be no one to blame, so they should feel responsible for their actions.
Why is it, if a girl is too drunk to give consent, a guy can't ever be too drunk for the same thing? If they're both drunk, then neither can give consent, so it just nulls out everything.
I feel its rape if you take advantage of the other person, that may sound odd but hear me out: a non drunk person can take advantage of a drunk person, a conscious person can take advantage of an unconscious person, an adult can take advantage over a child.
So in this case where it is two drunk people who can't take advantage of eachother, I don't think it was rape.
+Vendetra I know that it didn't happen in this case, but if a drunk man is holding down a drunk woman and she's screaming no, get off me, and he has sex with her anyway...that's not rape? Because they're both drunk?
why are you people inserting someone saying NO!? into the story there was no moment of someone screaming NO stop making shit up
+Catastrophic Broccoli, Vendetra is talking about the edge cases where consent is impossible/invalid. Obviously if one person is saying "No", it's rape.
Vendetra frfr. rape + rape = ultra rape????
I kind of agree. Neither of them could consent. In my opinion they are both victims, and the producers who observed the situation should have stopped the situation.
Woman gets drunk, takes no personal responsibility, blames everyone else.
Exactly.
Based on watching the Bachelor, Corrine was beyond disgusting, drama & blackwidowish every week. She's a gold digger & con artist & potentially faking this, SO SHE'LL NEVER WORK ANOTHER DAY IN HER LIFE! And she has a bf? WTF?
She literally owns a company...
Too right
Come on man, leave Hillary Clinton alone XD
It seems like she isn't mad at him, shes mad at producers. She even acknowledged the fact that they were both too drunk to consent...
Thank you so much for the shout out to the "Magic School Bus Show"
Real or fake I appreciate the man wasn't blamed in this situation (by the law at least), because in so many cases like this where they're both drunk and can't help their actions the man is automatically blamed for committing a crime.
He said the magic words: "I couldn't get it up" :P
yeah this situation makes so sense since idiots have always thought that guys can only do the rapeing since we have penis and girls can't yet this story is about how the guy couldn't get an erection so he eats out the girl... so it sounds like to me if someone was being raped it was the guy since the girl was getting the pleasure out of it.
Why?? was this bachelor thing so requested? We all know it's fake
That Brown Guy we all know the black guy will be blamed anyways
That Brown Guy
'cuz 'Murica
Kflame 90
As they should.
Kflame 90
Its sad but most likely
That Brown Guy I was honestly joking but you know when I think about it they might just blame him. Sad world we do live in.
"So I want to pass this off to you, because it's not just a gossip story! LET'S GOSSIP TOGETHER"
Lmao that roast on Trump is almost word for word stuff my friends do on a daily basis 😂
I think we need to see the video of the sitiation of what happened that night on the set. To me it sounds like both parties were incredible intoxicated and both participated in some form or sex willingly though they were both too drunk to propperly consent with one another. Just bacause one of of them was more drunk and had blacked out at some point doesn't seem to make them the victum to me. They are both in the same situation to me and the both loose in the end.
We'll need to see the tapes to know for sure, like you said, but I think its pretty telling that in both of their statements - while they were understandably upset - neither one called out the other by name.
The producers sound like the ones that fucked up by not being there to do their job.
Yeah, I may not have any great fondness for the kind of people who are cast in these shows but credit where it's due, at least they're not taking shots at each other here. It would be so easy to go on the offensive, for her to call him a rapist and for him to call her a liar or a slut, but they're not. Whatever else comes of this, at least there's that.
I agree with DeMario that the footage should be released. I probably wouldn't watch it myself as it may make me super anxious, but at the very least I can see how the news sources react to it, and the consensus and details they show can help me make a decision on where I stand with this. I can not under any good conscience make a judgment on either person in the controversy, only that the people behind the camera were in the serious wrong for letting it play out.
HelenaTacy it seems like the course of action that makes the most sense. They can release it to a investigator or the police, I'm sure they can work out if both she and he were capable of consent.
Pretty cool when you see a friend make the Philip DeFranco show due to a picture they took in the airport!! Awesome!!
>A quickshooting black dude who was forced to eat a hairy kitty.
>A drunk liberal chick who is diving into consent laws because she can't accept that she hit on a black dude and her BF will dump her for cheating.
>A producer who wants to deal with none of this.
What a mess but i'll laugh at it anyway.
Woman too drunk to consent, rape victim.
Man too drunk to consent, rapist.
She talks about being traumatized by the events, but also says she was blackout drunk and remembered very little. That makes no sense. This 'cannot consent when drunk' bullshit is just that, bullshit. If you choose to drive drunk you're held accountable. Why are women not held accountable when they agree to, or initiate sex when intoxicated?
Because you're unable to consent or think clearly, and the too drunk to conscent rule is usually done in a situation where the intoxication is more one sided.
Jock Duff But if they are both drunk then the male still gets called the rapist. It's fucked up
Jock Duff then we go back to it's still your responsibility to not drive drunk. So why are they not held accountable when it's sex?
The reason is this: Being drunk and driving, that does not require someone else taking action for there to be a crash. Drunk driving is enough to cause the crash. However, being drunk and getting raped, that requires someone else to take action in order for that to happen.
Gender Equality They are both drunkingly taking action though so they both should be seen as committing a "crime" not just the male.
I'm a women and I can honestly say I had a similar situation last year. Both myself and that other person were extremely drunk although I don't necessarily remember certain specifics we did kiss and there was touching (no sex) and at that moment when I was sorta still conscious it felt right. The next morning I felt embarrassed ashamed depressed and til this day it made me traumatized and I sought help. I never blamed the other person I blame myself. I made a choice that night and choices have consequences.
you're a good role model, respect.
a good role model wouldn't drink that much to start with.
Can I ask why you felt ashamed? Did you feel a stigma for being sexually active? I'm just trying to understand since you implied it was consensual (in so far as a drunk person can consent)... or perhaps it was somewhat public -- which i can certainly understand the regret the next morning.
Traumatized, really?
Sheesh maybe I'm just of an older generation, but both me and friends of mine have done some stupid shit in our younger days, including waking up next to someone we wouldn't have been with had we been sober. Male or female, these aren't stories we tell with shaky voices and act as if we've been through something terrible, rather we tell them with the sound of laughter and "you idiot!" comments from friends.
Learning experiences should be taken positively, not as reasons to fall apart.
Anyway, not really trying to ridicule you or anything, it just surprises me to read things like this and I suspect society plays a part in making many of us over-react to certain things that we'd otherwise take in stride.
Warhol Sedgwk yep. my gf is going to a party till 6 am, she "says" she wont drink, but will smoke weed... honestly idk if I should trust her
So, there's evidence of what happened, and only one side is willing for it to be seen. Not only that, the side who want it hidden, have a clear motive as to why.
Imagine a bank accused you of robbing them, and refuse to release security footage because it will make them look like a less secure bank. And accused thief keeps saying "release the surveillance video".
It kind of screams at who the innocent and guilty parties are.
How can you be traumatised by something you don't remember? Ask anyone who had their home broken into when they were asleep and didn't notice