I play primarily in KC and STL. I usually wait simply because it gives me time to get situated. If I already have chips before I sit at the table, I like to set them down and use the restroom before my session begins. It also gives me time to get anything out of my bag that I need (earbuds, redbull, etc.)
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If he had been dealt in, the bad beat wouldn't of happened obviously, as the cards would have been dealt out differently. Everyone at the table should have given him like 5% in gratitude.
Such a great explanation. Anyone who plays will appreciate this ! By the way, I never wait. Always act like you crave action. It will help you get paid off.
Here in Stockholm (Sweden), the rules are that if your first hand is when you are BTN, you pay both big and small blind. However, here the big and small blind are both 10, 25 or 50 (in our currency, about $1, $2.5 and $5). So if you are a new player and you jump in at any position (except on the blinds ofcourse), you pay 10+10, 25+25 or 50-50. Then half goes directly to the pot and the other half becomes your blind. Therefore, it is always best to wait for your big blind. You can also buy the button here. Great video! I visited Las Vegas summer 2019, easter 2022 and summer 2022, and I was first a little confused playing in Vegas. Bit it's not complicated. I played in New Orleans too. Same rules there. And I played in about 15 different countries in Europe, different rules everywhere.
I play in San Diego. If the big blind is on me as I sit down or about to be on me, I always wait if I just sat down. It gives me time to see who I'm up against at the table because half the table is regular daily players and to calm my nerves and get my mind right about how I want to play. That is just me. I also do it because I'd like to start off behind the button. If the big blind is two or more players away from me I'll jump straight into the game. But if its 1 away. I'll wait. to calm my nerves and watch a few hands for free to read the table.
Bro, when I played in Vegas years ago back in the early 2000s it was very customary to wait until the button passed before joining the game. In some casinos you had to post before you could get a hand if you weren’t coming in the big blind. So it was uncommon for anybody to take a hand if the blinds were approaching them.
Can you talk about chopping etiquette? Like if you’re on the button and its folded around to you, isn’t it proper etiquette to only play if you raise on the button? That’s how I was taught, but I see button limper’s regularly in this scenario.
Generally I like to put my chips down and then first go hit the washroom (restroom for Americans) anyway. So If there are a few hands to wait until the button passes that works for me. I don't think anyone should be obligated to play a hand the very moment they arrive at the table. I like to get myself set up and situated properly before I start playing.
You are correct, I've only ever really played in Vegas and a few times in CA and I definitely thought it was pretty standard to wait for the button to pass if you were a blind or UTG. After that I'm just going to play.
Living & playing in vegas for 8+ years, and in Cali for 10+, I'd say it's probably a west-coast thing... a commentor said she's seen it in Asia as well. Interested in your answer say you sit down and everyone is straddling would you jump in? Also let's assume everyone is deep stacked would you jump in? I guess the point I'm trying to make is some games and the dynamics and the stacked depth necessitates that you get a feel for the game and that's precisely why I would probably lean toward waiting a hand or two to get situated. Of course in many of the reg filled rooms in Vegas with relatively shallow stacks this is an on issue but in active games withA lot of good players and different dynamics it doesn't hurt to get a feel for the state of mind of playersbefore getting in the mix
8-handed: Mandalay Bay, Aria, Bellagio, Bally's, Caesars 9-handed: South Point, MGM, Venetian, Resorts World, Sahara, Westgate I don't know: Red Rock, Boulder Station, Orleans, Santa Fe, Golden Nugget, Wynn
I have seen two players wait from the HiJack at the table the entire orbit till the next rotation so they can come in on the cutoff (the best position you can come in on).
In San Jose California you can come in for free in between the button and the blinds. The button passes you the next hand. People often wait to come in “in the middle” because you get the most free hands before paying a blind this way. It bothers me not the slightest if people choose to wait like this.
In other cities, they go to the poker room to play. It's not a huge deal. In Vegas, there are a lot of people who go to the poker room and want to be away from the table for as long as possible. This is one way they tell everyone and it's annoying.
Been a long time since I've been to a live poker room. Is there no more requirement to post regardless of position? Did they also do away with missed blinds where if you miss your blinds, you have to post again and ante the small?
Missing the blinds and paying to return is a thing, it always will be. -- I can't think of a room in Vegas that requires posting anymore for your first hand.
I would come in where ever Im at besides buying the button to not disrupt the recreational flow of the game. Got to Vegas and realized there was no 'recreational flow' to be broken. Also it's customary to play to the button and not UTG when you leave 🤔
Seems like a big beef for a rather small thing. The only reason I can think of that it bugs you is that it leaves the table short for a few hands. But that's not much of a reason since all players have taken breaks that last a lot longer than an orbit, leaving the table short for up to an hour at times.
I’ll take any advantage I can get so I’ll always wait. No reason not to start in the best position possible. If it angers people even better, an unintended bonus. This happens in FL all the time.
Im from Chicago. If you wait for the button to pass when you come in the SB, then you have to pay the big blind to get cards. If you buy the button, it adds the SB to what you need to post.
@VegasPokerNomad Ya. So like if u join in sb and decide not to buy the button, then you have to pay 3 in a 1/3 game to get to play after the button passes you. Let's say you join like you said 1 from the bb. The dealer says, "Do you want to post or wait 1 hand for your bb"? If you didn't wait you would have to post then pay bb when it got to u. There is no getting free hands where I'm from.
It used to happen a lot more, or it was more common, When you were playing limit poker and the blinds were bigger compared to the actual betting on the streets. Now the blinds are tiny with no limit so it really doesn’t matter.
Is there always a list? Or if i see a seat open and have a pocket full of red and green chips from roulette, can i just sit down or would i need to go to the desk and ask to play
Even if you sit to the left of the BB, are you required to post a big blind if you want to be dealt in right away? Even though you are UTG? I think that's how it is in online poker which is something I could never understand 🤔
I didn't mention that. Positing used to be a fairly common thing in Vegas. I remember in 2015 in Bellagio you had to. Now, I don't know if there's any room that makes you post anymore at $1-2 or $1-3.
I'm not sure if it's still the case, but for many years at Foxwoods in CT if you didn't come in on the big blind you had to post, but you could wait for the big blind. They put this rule in, I've been told, because a bunch of bozos back during the height of the poker boom used to table hop constantly to avoid paying the blinds and that was the best solution the floors could come up with. 😂
In LA people wait nearly 100% of the time in a no post holdem game. In LA you can also "come in between" but no one ever does unless its a post game. in a post game everyone "comes in between". which is like buying the button but you only post the big blind amount and then the button passes you. This is because all LA poker cam out of limit poker which always has a post and so its just the way everyone plays. (except PLO where no one gives a fuck about the blinds)
These scenarios make my head spin. This is why I find it too intimidating to play live poker. Would be helpful to have these demonstratives in your news letter for study.
Good info and that cigar looks mighty fine.. ive never waited always buy it, then play ultra loose for a few hands to make the image of idiot maniac then start nitting it up and get paid with every big hand 😂
There is nothing wrong with waiting for the button to pass instead of just playing a hand immediately. Gives a player time to go use the restroom, get situated or whatever. You should not be critcal of other players for doing so.
In 5/10 at Bellagio, you have to post 10 bucks no matter what. Come in at the Cutoff, pay 10 bucks. The only way you don't pay the extra 10 bucks, you have to wait for the big blind.
You seem like a good guy, but I've yet to see one of your videos that isn't rife with misinformation. I've been playing live poker all over the country for near-full-time hours (33.8 hour weekly average since I started tracking in 2008, same back to 2003) and none of this is remotely factual re: this is different in Vegas or anywhere else. It's completely random. Also dealers ask all over the place if a UTG, or any other player in any position, wants to take a hand. It's silly and absurd that you'd get angry at a player who wants to wait. Why do you care? Just play ffs. And no, this is not remotely unheard of, anywhere. Simply not correct. You are, in fact, making this up. Also, in decades, I've never one time ever, like never, once, seen a person get angry because they were asked if they were coming in. Ridiculous. You're obviously smart and industrious. You can do much better than this.
So then, you can't think of a very good reason to do this? Something that has nothing at all to do with coming in after the button for free? You walk up to a table and have never seen any of these players before, and you don't see a huge reason to sit out a few hands before playing? And you call yourself a serious player? Huh..... Very rigid thought process.
People in Vegas who wait for the button to pass went to a poker room in order to not play poker. It's an indicator of a weak game and it's annoying. When I transfer tables, I don't want to miss any hands. That's why I transferred to that table.
Sounds like your answer is "No, I can't think of a good reason " And I'm good with that. Anytime is convinced that they have nothing to learn about an aspect of poker and won't even think about it, so sure you KNOW, that's good for the rest of us. Own your rigidity.
Challenge idea - sit down in the hijack for first hand, pick up before you hit the big blind, switch casinos, repeat, and see how many poker rooms you can play a nearly-full orbit without paying a blind the entire day
At Foxwoods people wait for the button to pass… it’s usually a massive tell that someone is a nit and is there for comps and won’t be 3b! light.
I play primarily in KC and STL. I usually wait simply because it gives me time to get situated. If I already have chips before I sit at the table, I like to set them down and use the restroom before my session begins. It also gives me time to get anything out of my bag that I need (earbuds, redbull, etc.)
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Hustler Casino, few years ago, Reg. "I'll wait", next hand Bad Beat, table share $2,750.
If he had been dealt in, the bad beat wouldn't of happened obviously, as the cards would have been dealt out differently. Everyone at the table should have given him like 5% in gratitude.
Yep if he had been dealt in. There would have been no jackpot so the Reg didn’t miss a thing.
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@@joemarcklinger724 I guess not being a friendly opponent has its disadvantages then.
I didn't mention that. In rooms with a BBJ, that's the reason a lot of people never miss the first hand.
Great vid, pretty amusing. I play in the Maryland casinos btw, some great games there.
Such a great explanation.
Anyone who plays will appreciate this !
By the way, I never wait.
Always act like you crave action. It will help you get paid off.
The stogie symbolizes how rich UA-cam is making him.
lol He's barely monetized at 3200 subs. I like this cat though. I've played with him before.
Here in Stockholm (Sweden), the rules are that if your first hand is when you are BTN, you pay both big and small blind. However, here the big and small blind are both 10, 25 or 50 (in our currency, about $1, $2.5 and $5). So if you are a new player and you jump in at any position (except on the blinds ofcourse), you pay 10+10, 25+25 or 50-50. Then half goes directly to the pot and the other half becomes your blind. Therefore, it is always best to wait for your big blind.
You can also buy the button here.
Great video! I visited Las Vegas summer 2019, easter 2022 and summer 2022, and I was first a little confused playing in Vegas. Bit it's not complicated. I played in New Orleans too. Same rules there.
And I played in about 15 different countries in Europe, different rules everywhere.
Interesting
I play in San Diego. If the big blind is on me as I sit down or about to be on me, I always wait if I just sat down. It gives me time to see who I'm up against at the table because half the table is regular daily players and to calm my nerves and get my mind right about how I want to play. That is just me. I also do it because I'd like to start off behind the button. If the big blind is two or more players away from me I'll jump straight into the game. But if its 1 away. I'll wait. to calm my nerves and watch a few hands for free to read the table.
I saw a guy sit in the hijack and wait to be dealt in until the button passed, did not leave the table or anything just sat and wait 😂
LMAO. That's the guy when he finally comes in, he's nutted. Aces, kings, queens, AK suited. 😂😂
Classic Vegas.
Bro, when I played in Vegas years ago back in the early 2000s it was very customary to wait until the button passed before joining the game. In some casinos you had to post before you could get a hand if you weren’t coming in the big blind. So it was uncommon for anybody to take a hand if the blinds were approaching them.
Posting has disappeared in the lower stakes games.
Can you talk about chopping etiquette? Like if you’re on the button and its folded around to you, isn’t it proper etiquette to only play if you raise on the button? That’s how I was taught, but I see button limper’s regularly in this scenario.
Maybe I can make a video out of that idea.
Generally I like to put my chips down and then first go hit the washroom (restroom for Americans) anyway. So If there are a few hands to wait until the button passes that works for me. I don't think anyone should be obligated to play a hand the very moment they arrive at the table. I like to get myself set up and situated properly before I start playing.
Love how you keep feeding those trolls on 2+2 .
Tells me a lot about a player if they're in front of the BB and opt to wait 3 hands.
You are correct, I've only ever really played in Vegas and a few times in CA and I definitely thought it was pretty standard to wait for the button to pass if you were a blind or UTG. After that I'm just going to play.
Living & playing in vegas for 8+ years, and in Cali for 10+, I'd say it's probably a west-coast thing... a commentor said she's seen it in Asia as well.
Interested in your answer say you sit down and everyone is straddling would you jump in? Also let's assume everyone is deep stacked would you jump in?
I guess the point I'm trying to make is some games and the dynamics and the stacked depth necessitates that you get a feel for the game and that's precisely why I would probably lean toward waiting a hand or two to get situated.
Of course in many of the reg filled rooms in Vegas with relatively shallow stacks this is an on issue but in active games withA lot of good players and different dynamics it doesn't hurt to get a feel for the state of mind of playersbefore getting in the mix
I do the opposite. Especially on table changes. If I'm getting into a great table, I don't want to miss a hand. I post the BB. I buy the button. Etc.
Can you make a video on the poker rooms in Vegas that is 9 handed vs 8 handed poker rooms
8-handed: Mandalay Bay, Aria, Bellagio, Bally's, Caesars
9-handed: South Point, MGM, Venetian, Resorts World, Sahara, Westgate
I don't know: Red Rock, Boulder Station, Orleans, Santa Fe, Golden Nugget, Wynn
I have seen two players wait from the HiJack at the table the entire orbit till the next rotation so they can come in on the cutoff (the best position you can come in on).
Classic Vegas.
I mean it is "optimal" but slightly obnoxious, I've played alot online so leaving before you're the big blind again is normal for me
I don't buy the button, but I WILL play the UTG, occasionally for the straddle.
In San Jose California you can come in for free in between the button and the blinds. The button passes you the next hand. People often wait to come in “in the middle” because you get the most free hands before paying a blind this way.
It bothers me not the slightest if people choose to wait like this.
In other cities, they go to the poker room to play. It's not a huge deal. In Vegas, there are a lot of people who go to the poker room and want to be away from the table for as long as possible. This is one way they tell everyone and it's annoying.
I've seen this happen in rooms in Asia, so Vegas is not the only one ;)
Been a long time since I've been to a live poker room. Is there no more requirement to post regardless of position? Did they also do away with missed blinds where if you miss your blinds, you have to post again and ante the small?
Missing the blinds and paying to return is a thing, it always will be. -- I can't think of a room in Vegas that requires posting anymore for your first hand.
I would come in where ever Im at besides buying the button to not disrupt the recreational flow of the game. Got to Vegas and realized there was no 'recreational flow' to be broken. Also it's customary to play to the button and not UTG when you leave 🤔
I do that. And it lessens dealer mistakes and misdeals when all players are actually playing.
Seems like a big beef for a rather small thing. The only reason I can think of that it bugs you is that it leaves the table short for a few hands. But that's not much of a reason since all players have taken breaks that last a lot longer than an orbit, leaving the table short for up to an hour at times.
It's a microcosm of poker in the city.
In the room I play in, if you sit and you are going to be the BB or 1 left of the BB, you have to post.
That's awesome.
I’ll take any advantage I can get so I’ll always wait. No reason not to start in the best position possible. If it angers people even better, an unintended bonus. This happens in FL all the time.
Im from Chicago. If you wait for the button to pass when you come in the SB, then you have to pay the big blind to get cards. If you buy the button, it adds the SB to what you need to post.
You need to post?
@VegasPokerNomad Ya. So like if u join in sb and decide not to buy the button, then you have to pay 3 in a 1/3 game to get to play after the button passes you. Let's say you join like you said 1 from the bb. The dealer says, "Do you want to post or wait 1 hand for your bb"? If you didn't wait you would have to post then pay bb when it got to u. There is no getting free hands where I'm from.
It used to happen a lot more, or it was more common, When you were playing limit poker and the blinds were bigger compared to the actual betting on the streets. Now the blinds are tiny with no limit so it really doesn’t matter.
Is there always a list? Or if i see a seat open and have a pocket full of red and green chips from roulette, can i just sit down or would i need to go to the desk and ask to play
Even if there's no list, you tell the floor you want to play. They'll seat you at the emptiest table, to keep the tables balanced.
People in Seattle area wait as well. A lot of them will wait until button passes unless they are CO or HJ, it's insanity.
I heard table-changing is also not normal up there. But I don't have the details yet.
What is that cigar?
Aroma de Cuba
Even if you sit to the left of the BB, are you required to post a big blind if you want to be dealt in right away? Even though you are UTG? I think that's how it is in online poker which is something I could never understand 🤔
I didn't mention that. Positing used to be a fairly common thing in Vegas. I remember in 2015 in Bellagio you had to. Now, I don't know if there's any room that makes you post anymore at $1-2 or $1-3.
Are they logged in for their comp time? Likely.....
Some dealers leave them in, some time them out.
I don't think you are supposed to smoke the paper label on a cigar, just FYI.
Probably not. Filming took longer than I anticipated.
I totally agree. What can be done? Mock those players?
A few people do that. Posting would solve it somewhat too.
I'm not sure if it's still the case, but for many years at Foxwoods in CT if you didn't come in on the big blind you had to post, but you could wait for the big blind. They put this rule in, I've been told, because a bunch of bozos back during the height of the poker boom used to table hop constantly to avoid paying the blinds and that was the best solution the floors could come up with. 😂
People should just be required to post. Simple. I don't see why a new player should just get a free orbit.
That used to be a thing out here.
You should probably take the wrapper off before you smoke it.
Nice observation. I thought I'd be done filming before it got that low.
In LA people wait nearly 100% of the time in a no post holdem game. In LA you can also "come in between" but no one ever does unless its a post game. in a post game everyone "comes in between". which is like buying the button but you only post the big blind amount and then the button passes you. This is because all LA poker cam out of limit poker which always has a post and so its just the way everyone plays. (except PLO where no one gives a fuck about the blinds)
I love the people who are away from the table for 45 minutes and when they return wait four hands for the big bling so they don’t have to post.
Lol. That happens a ton too.
In 5/10 and bigger you post first hand so it avoids all this would you like to wait or play
Posting used to be a thing at lower stakes. I can't think of one Vegas room that has it anymore.
These scenarios make my head spin. This is why I find it too intimidating to play live poker. Would be helpful to have these demonstratives in your news letter for study.
What exactly would you like to see in the newsletter?
It's not that bad. The dealer will always guide you in what to do, and I imagine you'd get used to it in no time.
Good info and that cigar looks mighty fine.. ive never waited always buy it, then play ultra loose for a few hands to make the image of idiot maniac then start nitting it up and get paid with every big hand 😂
You are supposed to take the brand label off the cigar before you smoke it.
Ideally
Dude, it’s a west coast thing. In Cali we ALL wait after the button. Why wouldn’t you want to enter with the best position?
I prefer playing against people who think "I need to get in the game." not "When's the best time to be dealt my first hand?"
@@VegasPokerNomad Well I’m not out to be someone else’s preferred fish. Thanks for the tip that this tilts people.
Whatever happened to posting?
It's gone. Bellagio, and others, used to have it. Not anymore.
this is the purpose of making players post their first hand. either post or wait for your BB.
I'd like it if they brought back posting.
There is nothing wrong with waiting for the button to pass instead of just playing a hand immediately. Gives a player time to go use the restroom, get situated or whatever. You should not be critcal of other players for doing so.
They do it to avoid paying blinds in the first 5 hands.
I do my best to make fun of the people who wait. 😂 also if you are a decent reg it's +hourly to play.
You're the best at that. And snapping back at players who blame the dealers. Everything in that realm.
@@VegasPokerNomad thank you, I do try
In 5/10 at Bellagio, you have to post 10 bucks no matter what. Come in at the Cutoff, pay 10 bucks. The only way you don't pay the extra 10 bucks, you have to wait for the big blind.
Posting would solve this. I can't think of any room that makes you anymore at $1-2 or $1-3.
Mad about the rules? Weird. Some of us just trying to avoid JJ UTG "coolers" because we don't have a read on ANYONE yet.
Mad that this has become so customary it's altered the rules.
Disagree I’ve played in tunica for 15 years and in Florida for 15 years and it happens all the time
Never played in those places.
You seem like a good guy, but I've yet to see one of your videos that isn't rife with misinformation. I've been playing live poker all over the country for near-full-time hours (33.8 hour weekly average since I started tracking in 2008, same back to 2003) and none of this is remotely factual re: this is different in Vegas or anywhere else. It's completely random. Also dealers ask all over the place if a UTG, or any other player in any position, wants to take a hand. It's silly and absurd that you'd get angry at a player who wants to wait. Why do you care? Just play ffs. And no, this is not remotely unheard of, anywhere. Simply not correct. You are, in fact, making this up.
Also, in decades, I've never one time ever, like never, once, seen a person get angry because they were asked if they were coming in. Ridiculous.
You're obviously smart and industrious. You can do much better than this.
I guess we've never played any of the same places.
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All unicorns and griffins speak mandarin duh
I thought it was Cantonese.
How tf you talk about buying th BB for 7 mins?
Exactly
The question remains: what IS poker?
Like when Sheldon teaches Penny physics and asks "What is physics?"
So then, you can't think of a very good reason to do this?
Something that has nothing at all to do with coming in after the button for free?
You walk up to a table and have never seen any of these players before, and you don't see a huge reason to sit out a few hands before playing?
And you call yourself a serious player?
Huh.....
Very rigid thought process.
People in Vegas who wait for the button to pass went to a poker room in order to not play poker. It's an indicator of a weak game and it's annoying.
When I transfer tables, I don't want to miss any hands. That's why I transferred to that table.
Sounds like your answer is "No, I can't think of a good reason "
And I'm good with that.
Anytime is convinced that they have nothing to learn about an aspect of poker and won't even think about it, so sure you KNOW, that's good for the rest of us.
Own your rigidity.
@@leviwhatever6192 Says the guy who doesn't think he can know anything about a table before he sees hands played.
Challenge idea - sit down in the hijack for first hand, pick up before you hit the big blind, switch casinos, repeat, and see how many poker rooms you can play a nearly-full orbit without paying a blind the entire day
He’s already doing a version of that challenge every day
With repeating rooms? It'd be annoying but no one would stop you from doing it, unless you just kept going back and forth with the same two rooms.
I cannot believe you actually made a video about this..SMH...
Fidel Castro is that you?
I never played semi-pro baseball. He's got that on me.
Smoking a cigar in a parking garage is kinda corny