I have complete faith that the Bears will absolutely hire the wrong coach, whoever that may be. History bears this out (pun intended). General Custer was a "leader of men" as well, and that didn't turn out so well.
@Faiz He is a known head coach, it does not move the needle for me, and I really really want to see a great young OC get the HC job. That said it will not matter until we know the staff and see how the team preforms..... Id view this as a solid hire, but no fireworks..... but again ONLY the record on the field moving forward will matter.
Ben Johnson to me I am scared if were to come here he doesn't have the line like he has in Detroit and doesn't have the run game and you don't know how he is going to be in his first year vrabel you know what your going bro get a coach that is going to win
This is the perfect opportunity of taking a great OC from the enemy in the division that knows how to face this division and a great mind to develop Caleb for a long time. It’s just too perfect to get Ben Johnson.
No, this is the perfect opportunity to hire the RIGHT coach no matter who he is or what side of the ball they coach. The simple fact is when you get tunnel vision and only narrowly focus on one aspect of a coach then you are putting yourself behind the 8 ball. I was just looking at a video a couple weeks ago after Tomlin clinched another winning season & 0 losing seasons at how the Dolphins chose Camron over Tomlin because they thought he was to hip hop even though they thought he had the better interview. The Bears need to chose the best candidate, not the best candidate that’s an OC or not because you’re taking him away from a division rival, he needs to be the best candidate pure and simple.
@@kenyattaclay7666fully agreed, we need the best candidate period, people need to stop looking at what background they came from, the truth is a good coach is a good coach no matter where he came from. Tomlin comes from a defensive background, has had no losing seasons and been coaching for 16 years now. Heck people forget that John Harbaugh, was a special teams coach, look how well Baltimore has done with him as the head coach, so the background means nothing, they need to find the coach who has the best plan
I’m in the same boat as you, he’s not my first choice but definitely won’t be mad at this hire if he ends up being the consolation pick. We need an offensive mind.
The PERFECT coach would be a mix of Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson. Vrabel's leadership, toughness, voice in the locker room...mixed with Ben's offensive playcalling ability, schemes and creativity.
Toughness, winning record, accountability. Unlike flus his head aint in his ass ! He has fortitude !! Get him ! Bears are aware of Johnson, but they will pay less for Vrabel. Hes a fine coach and superior to most that weve had.
Get an outsider who knows about organizational leadership and organizational change. Allow the OC and DC do their thing while the HC strengthens the culture and builds the team, focusing on Context, Composition, Competencies and Change Management. This is a team that operates through Reciprocal Interdependence. There is much that goes with this specific strategy of team building-beyond the scope of this thread-but I believe it is what the Chicago Bears need in order to be successful.
We just fired a defensive HC. Why would we hire a former failed defensive HC? No way. Non starter. Ben Johnson or bust. GOTTA DEVELOP CALEB!! Nothing else matters as much as that.
I agree except Caleb has developed and we still suck. We need to figure out are we a defensive or offensive team and focus on it. We trend towards offensive
The issue is that people need to look past whether the HC is from a defensive background or an offensive background, the only thing that matters is if they are a good coach and they can build a culture, if they can do that then they will win for us. The only argument for an Offensive minded head coach is because of Caleb, but we’ve seen those type of coaches come in and still fail and the team looked horrible on both sides of the ball. Lance Briggs said something the other day on the CHGO show, he said that one coach that people don’t pay attention to for a HC position is the special teams coaches, he mentioned how they work with both defensive and offensive players so they understand both sides, if there is any coach that could bring balance it’s them. The last coach that was hired as a head coach that came from special teams was John Harbaugh for the ravens, and look how well they’ve done over the years. Point being that the only focus should be on finding that coach will coach this team well as a whole and will establish the winning culture once again. If they do this, it’s going to be hard to go wrong
If we hire Mike Vrabel that also means no more captains. His teams don’t wear captain patches on their jerseys. Hopefully we get a good offensive coordinator out the deal.
I think it’s a long shot, but I’d really love it if we can hire an offensive minded coach like Ben Johnson as HC, but also bring in someone as DC with prior HC experience to pair with a first time HC. I’d love Ben Johnson or even Joe Brady as HC and someone like Mike Vrabel or even Robert Saleh as a DC.
It don't work like that if you had an offensive coach he still making decisions you can't give him a defensive coach and all this s*** he make his own coaching decisions
Bears fans need to STOP with this Mike Johnson pipe dream HE is NOT leaving Detroit for this dumpster fire of an organization called the Chicago Bears why is that? First he is paid very well and has pretty much complete autonomy to run the offense. Second he probably gets a huge raise to stay with one of the most professional organizations in the NFL. Sheila Ford and Brad Holmes EVP and GM are Lamborghini s compared to McCasky and Poles/Warrens VW organization. All these guys do is micro manage EVERTHING you have to ask permission to take a piss at Halas Hall.
I’m not sure why Vrabel is the #1 preferred HC besides the fact that he comes with head coaching experience. Just my opinion, but Vrabel’s resume and statistics are a bit inflated and also not particularly that great having coached in a rather weak AFC South Division. Who was the powerhouse in that division while he was coaching? The NFC North will be a different beast for the next 5 years and coaches like LaFluer, O’Connell and Campbell just happen to be in the top tier in the NFL. We’ll see what happens to the Lions if and when both the coordinators leave. Vrabel is definitely an alpha type “front of the room” type leader, but that doesn’t guarantee WINS and competing for SB’s in Caleb’s career. I’m afraid if the Bears don’t get this right for next year, we’ll lose both Caleb and Odunze to the better ran organizations once their rookie contracts are up. Then the Bears return back to square 1, just like that.
I wanted Vrabel before the season started!!! Hated how we stuck with Eberflus. I knew he would never lead us to a championship so there was no point sticking with him over proven winners. At this point I am fine with taking either BJ or Vrabel. 0 interest in any of the other candidates. Now if TB wins a few games here I think that warrants a convo for him to be in the running too
I'm not a big fan of Mike Vrabel nevertheless he wanted that Patriots job but things didn't work out despite Jared Mayo taking over, but he did guide the Titans to a AFC Championship game at the time. So that gives kudos of show this is a cultural coach but I'm not sold on it. I need a coach that will be leadership of men with accountability with great coaching culture. Enough said.
People talk about how he’s so good because he won with tannehill but this sounds a lot like when people thought Shane Waldron was so good because of the work Shane did with geno. I’m still hesitant on Vrabel.
The narrative that we “have to hire an offensive coach” is the dumbest narrative I’ve ever seen. You really don’t know if any current OC would translate into a HC. Vrabel gives you closure. He had the carpet pulled underneath him in Tennessee and it’s crazy how no one’s acknowledging that.
Getting a generational QB and not supporting him with a genius offensive mind who will bring consistency to the offense is why this is the narrative. Ben Johnson is one of the best offensive minds in the game you go get him it's not a question. By going for a defensive coach you are setting up your young QB for a new OC every 1-3 years. That much complete change will severely handicap his growth we have seen it with Cutler and Fields.
@ That is so void in logic 💀 you have no idea whether or not Ben Johnson can lead an entire roster WHILE being asked to be the play caller. He could be the next Kyle Shanahan or the next Marc Trestman, Norv Turner, Matt Nagy etc. it’s a complete Hail Mary whereas Vrabel gives you quality on the job experience and was successful in bringing in offensive geniuses like Matt LaFleur and Arthur Smith. The culture and the entire lockroom is much more dynamic than just the QB who I’m sure can continue to grow even with a defensive minded HC. (See McDermott-Allen, Belichick-Brady, Dungy-Manning, Ryans-Stroud, Tomlin-Roethlisberger, etc.)
@@zackrodriguez2710 Who the F do you think leads the offense? That is all Ben Johnson. He designs the offense and calls the plays. They are his guys. Saying it is devoid of logic to try and support your number 1 asset in the most pivotal years of his career is stupid beyond belief. You are devoid of logic.
Come on dude you can’t be serious!!! . How is this guy a top candidate. You spend months and months saying we need an OFFENSIVE minded head coach and then as soon as Flues is fired you say THIS GUY is a top candidate. HE was 13-21 his last 2 years compared to 11-18. WOW there is an improvement. As I said Johnson is not leaving Detroit to come to Chicago because he has complete control of that offensive game plan and is paid very well and I can promise you he will get a HUGE raise to stay. Compared to the Bears who micro manage everything. You can’t take a piss at Halas Hall without asking permission.
They could resurrect Lombardi, Halas, Brown, Bill Walsh, etc, and it won't matter. As long as the McCaskey's hold power nothing will change. Sad but true. I have lost all hope and optimism for this organization.
I don't want Ben Johnson, Joe Brady, Mike Vrabel or Brian Flores. Ben Johnson and Joe Brady have no experience as Head Coach, they're Offensive Coordinators, that's a different skillset than Head Coach and it's not guaranteed it'll carry over, remember Nagy being hailed as an "offensive guru"?. No more defensive Coaches. John Fox and Matt Eberflus were terrible, that experiment should be over.
LMFAO!!!😆😆😆😆. This is why The Bears will continue to fail and never be anything! He shouldn't even be a thought. He failed in NC and i would nvr, ever, even gave him a thought or even considered him. This is why i feel The Bears will mess it up. They keep sticking to lame duck defensive HCs. They only got literally only a few Offensive Minded HCs. Its just crazy how they just moved off that path, after Nagy. Really wished they stayed on the path of Offensive Minded Coaches. IMO it should be: 1. Ben Johnson 2. Kilff Kingsbury 3. Brian Daboll if Giants fire him.
@midwestkrazy83turner50 You should officially change your name to “Midwestkrazystupidfuckingidiot-10! Cause this was the dumbest take I’ve ever heard all day!
There is a lack of talent. The offensive line sucks bad, and you cannot do anything with a line this bad. Add to that a rookie quarterback that can't process and get rid of the ball quickly, you get what we see...a crappy team. It all starts up fron tho, and the defensive line is trash as well. Gervon Dexter is a bust and so is Pickens. 2nd rounders like Brisker and Dexter should be bigger contributors at this point in their careers. Poles must go
Noooooooooooooooooo. I live in Tennessee. Watched lots of Titans games. Vrabel made more terrible calls, than Eberflus. May as well just trade Williams, if they're going to make that stupid hire. Wasn't Eberflus supposed to bring toughness? No. No. No Vrabel.
@@trevorlamarche2430he failed in NC and Bears have a history of failed Defensive minded Coaches!!! Only ones that don't know anything are the ones that are against the guy that made the Main Comment!
We've gone the OC route before...Trestman and Nagy, we've done the established coach...John Fox, and the DC route in Flus and Lovie. Lovie worked out, but none of the others. I suspect Warren is leaning toward Vrabel, and Poles is leaning toward Johnson...who wins that fight? I don't know.
@donherion377 John Fox at the time had reached the end rope of his coaching career. He was too old and couldn’t adapt to modern football. But Vrabel is ALL about modern football!!!
I have complete faith that the Bears will absolutely hire the wrong coach, whoever that may be. History bears this out (pun intended).
General Custer was a "leader of men" as well, and that didn't turn out so well.
Lol😂
💯 Whoever they hire will definitely turn out to be the new worst coach I have ever seen.
@ron3634 that better not happen or otherwise the mccaskeys needs to be fired
I just want a coach that win football games I don't care Mike is the coach as long he wins games.
@Faiz He is a known head coach, it does not move the needle for me, and I really really want to see a great young OC get the HC job. That said it will not matter until we know the staff and see how the team preforms..... Id view this as a solid hire, but no fireworks..... but again ONLY the record on the field moving forward will matter.
Dude look at all the coaches they are going to be first time headcoaches
Ben Johnson to me I am scared if were to come here he doesn't have the line like he has in Detroit and doesn't have the run game and you don't know how he is going to be in his first year vrabel you know what your going bro get a coach that is going to win
@@trevorlamarche2430Winning in a weak AFC South back when he was there versus today’s NFC North is an apples vs oranges comparison.
@@Chitex03 your point each year is different
@@Chitex03 name me somebody better than vrabel
I love Vrabel but not for this team. He is a more qualified Matt Eberflus
Mike is far superior to matty
This is the perfect opportunity of taking a great OC from the enemy in the division that knows how to face this division and a great mind to develop Caleb for a long time. It’s just too perfect to get Ben Johnson.
No, this is the perfect opportunity to hire the RIGHT coach no matter who he is or what side of the ball they coach. The simple fact is when you get tunnel vision and only narrowly focus on one aspect of a coach then you are putting yourself behind the 8 ball.
I was just looking at a video a couple weeks ago after Tomlin clinched another winning season & 0 losing seasons at how the Dolphins chose Camron over Tomlin because they thought he was to hip hop even though they thought he had the better interview.
The Bears need to chose the best candidate, not the best candidate that’s an OC or not because you’re taking him away from a division rival, he needs to be the best candidate pure and simple.
And you’re certain that’ll translate into a good HC because….. he runs a creative and productive offense? Matt Nagy and Marc Trestman say hello.
@@kenyattaclay7666fully agreed, we need the best candidate period, people need to stop looking at what background they came from, the truth is a good coach is a good coach no matter where he came from. Tomlin comes from a defensive background, has had no losing seasons and been coaching for 16 years now. Heck people forget that John Harbaugh, was a special teams coach, look how well Baltimore has done with him as the head coach, so the background means nothing, they need to find the coach who has the best plan
I’m in the same boat as you, he’s not my first choice but definitely won’t be mad at this hire if he ends up being the consolation pick. We need an offensive mind.
Why in the hell would we hire a another defensive minded coach
Becuz this is how they roll !! Always
Great a fired Defensive coach
I would keep him high on the list considering his resume, then bring in a great OC. But I agree, I want an offensive HC!
The PERFECT coach would be a mix of Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson. Vrabel's leadership, toughness, voice in the locker room...mixed with Ben's offensive playcalling ability, schemes and creativity.
We need someone who can hold these players accountable. I don’t care who it is. The coordinators are more critical
Toughness, winning record, accountability. Unlike flus his head aint in his ass ! He has fortitude !! Get him ! Bears are aware of Johnson, but they will pay less for Vrabel. Hes a fine coach and superior to most that weve had.
Get an outsider who knows about organizational leadership and organizational change. Allow the OC and DC do their thing while the HC strengthens the culture and builds the team, focusing on Context, Composition, Competencies and Change Management. This is a team that operates through Reciprocal Interdependence. There is much that goes with this specific strategy of team building-beyond the scope of this thread-but I believe it is what the Chicago Bears need in order to be successful.
I like Vrabel. The only reason it fell apart in Tennessee is because the GM tore it down.
We just fired a defensive HC. Why would we hire a former failed defensive HC? No way. Non starter. Ben Johnson or bust. GOTTA DEVELOP CALEB!! Nothing else matters as much as that.
I agree except Caleb has developed and we still suck. We need to figure out are we a defensive or offensive team and focus on it. We trend towards offensive
@ I don’t want to see John Fox part 2.
The issue is that people need to look past whether the HC is from a defensive background or an offensive background, the only thing that matters is if they are a good coach and they can build a culture, if they can do that then they will win for us. The only argument for an Offensive minded head coach is because of Caleb, but we’ve seen those type of coaches come in and still fail and the team looked horrible on both sides of the ball. Lance Briggs said something the other day on the CHGO show, he said that one coach that people don’t pay attention to for a HC position is the special teams coaches, he mentioned how they work with both defensive and offensive players so they understand both sides, if there is any coach that could bring balance it’s them. The last coach that was hired as a head coach that came from special teams was John Harbaugh for the ravens, and look how well they’ve done over the years. Point being that the only focus should be on finding that coach will coach this team well as a whole and will establish the winning culture once again. If they do this, it’s going to be hard to go wrong
If we hire Mike Vrabel that also means no more captains. His teams don’t wear captain patches on their jerseys. Hopefully we get a good offensive coordinator out the deal.
Cycling through new OCs every 1-3 years should be fantastic for Caleb to have no consistency it worked so well for Cutler after all...
Another great video
I think it’s a long shot, but I’d really love it if we can hire an offensive minded coach like Ben Johnson as HC, but also bring in someone as DC with prior HC experience to pair with a first time HC. I’d love Ben Johnson or even Joe Brady as HC and someone like Mike Vrabel or even Robert Saleh as a DC.
It don't work like that if you had an offensive coach he still making decisions you can't give him a defensive coach and all this s*** he make his own coaching decisions
Bears fans need to STOP with this Mike Johnson pipe dream HE is NOT leaving Detroit for this dumpster fire of an organization called the Chicago Bears why is that?
First he is paid very well and has pretty much complete autonomy to run the offense.
Second he probably gets a huge raise to stay with one of the most professional organizations in the NFL. Sheila Ford and Brad Holmes EVP and GM are Lamborghini s compared to McCasky and Poles/Warrens VW organization. All these guys do is micro manage EVERTHING you have to ask permission to take a piss at Halas Hall.
I’m not sure why Vrabel is the #1 preferred HC besides the fact that he comes with head coaching experience.
Just my opinion, but Vrabel’s resume and statistics are a bit inflated and also not particularly that great having coached in a rather weak AFC South Division. Who was the powerhouse in that division while he was coaching? The NFC North will be a different beast for the next 5 years and coaches like LaFluer, O’Connell and Campbell just happen to be in the top tier in the NFL. We’ll see what happens to the Lions if and when both the coordinators leave.
Vrabel is definitely an alpha type “front of the room” type leader, but that doesn’t guarantee WINS and competing for SB’s in Caleb’s career.
I’m afraid if the Bears don’t get this right for next year, we’ll lose both Caleb and Odunze to the better ran organizations once their rookie contracts are up. Then the Bears return back to square 1, just like that.
@Chitex03 I think you’re too stupid to understand how football works. Why are you even on here?!
I like Vrabel.
I wanted Vrabel before the season started!!! Hated how we stuck with Eberflus. I knew he would never lead us to a championship so there was no point sticking with him over proven winners. At this point I am fine with taking either BJ or Vrabel. 0 interest in any of the other candidates. Now if TB wins a few games here I think that warrants a convo for him to be in the running too
Not really excited about Vrabel.
Why are you not excited about vrabel man he is a winning Headcoach
If you cant get excited about him the door 🚪 right there for you to leave
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I'm not a big fan of Mike Vrabel nevertheless he wanted that Patriots job but things didn't work out despite Jared Mayo taking over, but he did guide the Titans to a AFC Championship game at the time. So that gives kudos of show this is a cultural coach but I'm not sold on it. I need a coach that will be leadership of men with accountability with great coaching culture. Enough said.
Vrabel with Eric Bieniemy?
That's what I was thinking
The Chicago Bears needs Jesus Christ as their head coach.
Only hope
People talk about how he’s so good because he won with tannehill but this sounds a lot like when people thought Shane Waldron was so good because of the work Shane did with geno. I’m still hesitant on Vrabel.
Look at what he had to deal with at Tennessee he didn't have this much talent if he came to Chicago
@@trevorlamarche2430he was also in a weak division. Ours is the best in the NFL
@@SeraphSlater Wrong! The AFC South at the time when Vrabel was coaching was a competitive division. Now it’s a weak division!!!
NO 👎 MORE DEFENSE COACH PERIOD WE NEED A OFFENSE MINED PERIOD STAY BLESS 💯 AND WARM 😎 AND BEAR-DOWN THOUGH
From a defense standpoint...Brian Flores would be better
The narrative that we “have to hire an offensive coach” is the dumbest narrative I’ve ever seen. You really don’t know if any current OC would translate into a HC. Vrabel gives you closure. He had the carpet pulled underneath him in Tennessee and it’s crazy how no one’s acknowledging that.
Getting a generational QB and not supporting him with a genius offensive mind who will bring consistency to the offense is why this is the narrative. Ben Johnson is one of the best offensive minds in the game you go get him it's not a question. By going for a defensive coach you are setting up your young QB for a new OC every 1-3 years. That much complete change will severely handicap his growth we have seen it with Cutler and Fields.
@ That is so void in logic 💀 you have no idea whether or not Ben Johnson can lead an entire roster WHILE being asked to be the play caller. He could be the next Kyle Shanahan or the next Marc Trestman, Norv Turner, Matt Nagy etc. it’s a complete Hail Mary whereas Vrabel gives you quality on the job experience and was successful in bringing in offensive geniuses like Matt LaFleur and Arthur Smith. The culture and the entire lockroom is much more dynamic than just the QB who I’m sure can continue to grow even with a defensive minded HC. (See McDermott-Allen, Belichick-Brady, Dungy-Manning, Ryans-Stroud, Tomlin-Roethlisberger, etc.)
@@zackrodriguez2710 Who the F do you think leads the offense? That is all Ben Johnson. He designs the offense and calls the plays. They are his guys. Saying it is devoid of logic to try and support your number 1 asset in the most pivotal years of his career is stupid beyond belief. You are devoid of logic.
Come on dude you can’t be serious!!! . How is this guy a top candidate. You spend months and months saying we need an OFFENSIVE minded head coach and then as soon as Flues is fired you say THIS GUY is a top candidate. HE was 13-21 his last 2 years compared to 11-18. WOW there is an improvement. As I said Johnson is not leaving Detroit to come to Chicago because he has complete control of that offensive game plan and is paid very well
and I can promise you he will get a HUGE raise to stay. Compared to the Bears who micro manage everything. You can’t take a piss at Halas Hall without asking permission.
There top candidate was once Eberfluce so this is not saying much all we can do is cross our fingers 😂 🤞
They could resurrect Lombardi, Halas, Brown, Bill Walsh, etc, and it won't matter. As long as the McCaskey's hold power nothing will change. Sad but true. I have lost all hope and optimism for this organization.
I don't want Ben Johnson, Joe Brady, Mike Vrabel or Brian Flores.
Ben Johnson and Joe Brady have no experience as Head Coach, they're Offensive Coordinators, that's a different skillset than Head Coach and it's not guaranteed it'll carry over, remember Nagy being hailed as an "offensive guru"?.
No more defensive Coaches. John Fox and Matt Eberflus were terrible, that experiment should be over.
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LMFAO!!!😆😆😆😆. This is why The Bears will continue to fail and never be anything! He shouldn't even be a thought. He failed in NC and i would nvr, ever, even gave him a thought or even considered him. This is why i feel The Bears will mess it up. They keep sticking to lame duck defensive HCs. They only got literally only a few Offensive Minded HCs. Its just crazy how they just moved off that path, after Nagy. Really wished they stayed on the path of Offensive Minded Coaches. IMO it should be:
1. Ben Johnson
2. Kilff Kingsbury
3. Brian Daboll if Giants fire him.
@midwestkrazy83turner50 You should officially change your name to “Midwestkrazystupidfuckingidiot-10! Cause this was the dumbest take I’ve ever heard all day!
Typica definitely not hardbagh
No to Vrabel - talk about underwhelming
There is a lack of talent. The offensive line sucks bad, and you cannot do anything with a line this bad. Add to that a rookie quarterback that can't process and get rid of the ball quickly, you get what we see...a crappy team. It all starts up fron tho, and the defensive line is trash as well. Gervon Dexter is a bust and so is Pickens. 2nd rounders like Brisker and Dexter should be bigger contributors at this point in their careers. Poles must go
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Noooooooooooooooooo. I live in Tennessee. Watched lots of Titans games. Vrabel made more terrible calls, than Eberflus. May as well just trade Williams, if they're going to make that stupid hire. Wasn't Eberflus supposed to bring toughness? No. No. No Vrabel.
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Dude looked what vrabel dealt with in Tennessee he had nothing
You lost me on not hiring vrabel such a dumb comment
@@trevorlamarche2430he failed in NC and Bears have a history of failed Defensive minded Coaches!!! Only ones that don't know anything are the ones that are against the guy that made the Main Comment!
Thank You!!!! Chicago has a line of failed Defensive minded Coaches!! He not gonna develop Caleb nor the Offense!
DOES HE EVEN WANT TO COME TO A DYSFUNCTIONAL ORGANIZATION
Coach Vrabel Has a Winning Formula, If BEARS Make the Move, Hopefully it All Works Out 🐻⬇️🙏🏾
There is no "fit"
We've gone the OC route before...Trestman and Nagy, we've done the established coach...John Fox, and the DC route in Flus and Lovie. Lovie worked out, but none of the others. I suspect Warren is leaning toward Vrabel, and Poles is leaning toward Johnson...who wins that fight? I don't know.
@donherion377 John Fox at the time had reached the end rope of his coaching career. He was too old and couldn’t adapt to modern football. But Vrabel is ALL about modern football!!!
I agree faiz
I'd love Vrabel honestly. This team needs a culture change.
The Bears will get it wrong thats what they do.
Hell no he is not the answer
My wish list.
1. Vrabel
2.Ben ohnson
3. Todd Monken
4.Joe Brady
Nuff said.
@Kennyf16vet You’re Stupid! Nuff said!
Still bet it goes to Thomas Brown because McCheapskates budget says so
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