Back in the 60's when I was about 12 years old, I would build model ships directly from plans scaled up from one of H. Chapelle's books. For coppering, I would cut out paper shaped like copper sheets, glue them on, then paint them with copper paint. The paint had copper dust in it, so I then mixed hot water and table salt. Painted that solution on the copper painted bottom, and it turned green like I hoped it would. Rope making: four or five strands of sewing thread in my father's power drill, and the other end attached to my Tonka Dump Truck. Once wound up with lots of tension, I would hang it doubled up with a fishing weight outside my parent second story window, and that weight kept it taught as it wound itself up. Worked great.
Thank you Mr.Botchvarov for another interesting video , it surprise for me that copper sheets where different in thickness depending from the part of the ship's haul, it reminds me medieval plate armour that also have different thickness in different parts of body for weight reduction, and modern tanks armour as well. Can't wait for another video!
As I recall, around 1850 or so, some ships were sheathed with muntz, which had a brass color. Several of Donald McKay's clipper ships in the 1850's were sheathed with muntz. What is the advantage of muntz over copper? Is it cost, better resistance to corrosion, or some other reason? Another very interesting video. Thank you.
Thank you for your clarification. That explains why some of the plastic clipper ship models I was building as a 12 year old in the early 70's called for gold paint for the hull bottom. @@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
Interesting to note that in antiquity lead sheating was extensively used, with copper nails instead of iron ones. They either did that because copper was much more abundant and easier to work with than iron, therefore much more widespread, or had learned through bitter experience what funny things galvanic corrosion does to a hull. One of the various things that gets lost to time and later rediscovered. Thanks for the interesting video as always.
Likely it was a question of ease of work. We have plentiful archaeological evidence for copper nails and bolts. Kyrenia had cooper fasteners, the Bajo de la Campana wreck also had copper fasteners, though we had only one small fragment of a plank with two mortises
Kroum, Do you know what color the copper alloy used for gudgeons and pintles might have been? Coppered models seem to show them as black like iron, or painted black. Is there a more accurate color?? Thank you and warm regards!!👍👍
This is a good question, It depends on the period, of course, and whether the metal used is copper or the "yellow metal". In the early years of coppering, they attempted to insulate iron and copper by using tarred paper between the two.
Doubtless you have “Ships fastenings: from sewn boat to steamship. “ by Michael McCarthy in your library. I just read his chapter on coppering and it looks like the gudgeons and pintles were likely hardened copper if I am reading correctly. Thank you again!!👍👍
Interesting, thank-you. Thinking about scale modelling, I wonder if copper leaf would be a way to go. It is a different skill-set, but the copper is very thin (thicker than gold-leaf, but still needs delicate handling).
Where did the copper come from ? There doesn’t seam to be sufficient domestic production after the Bronze Age to support that level of industry. By the time of Pythias of Marseille 300 bc’ish , England had more tin than copper. Your storing ammunition for later gave me a good chuckle. My wife would bean me with a copper pot if I tried something like that.
Yes- local, but also could be imported. Sweden was a major source of cooper. And iron. But Great Britain was technologically most advanced and was the first one to be able to produce the rolled sheets of copper that made it possible to sheeth the fleet
Probably not directly as cooper wore out - that’s why periodically ships had to be recovered. Also the pattern of nailing or tacking the sheet to the hull would have ripped through the copper in the process of removing the sheets
Back in the 60's when I was about 12 years old, I would build model ships directly from plans scaled up from one of H. Chapelle's books. For coppering, I would cut out paper shaped like copper sheets, glue them on, then paint them with copper paint. The paint had copper dust in it, so I then mixed hot water and table salt. Painted that solution on the copper painted bottom, and it turned green like I hoped it would. Rope making: four or five strands of sewing thread in my father's power drill, and the other end attached to my Tonka Dump Truck. Once wound up with lots of tension, I would hang it doubled up with a fishing weight outside my parent second story window, and that weight kept it taught as it wound itself up. Worked great.
Thank you for sharing this! Very ingenious approach indeed!
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I am glad you liked it!
Thank you Mr.Botchvarov for another interesting video , it surprise for me that copper sheets where different in thickness depending from the part of the ship's haul, it reminds me medieval plate armour that also have different thickness in different parts of body for weight reduction, and modern tanks armour as well.
Can't wait for another video!
Thanks
Another fantastic video! THANKS!
Thank you for watching!
This was very informative. Thanks!
And thank You for watching! I am glad you enjoyed the video!
How thick were the copper sheets?
As I recall, around 1850 or so, some ships were sheathed with muntz, which had a brass color. Several of Donald McKay's clipper ships in the 1850's were sheathed with muntz. What is the advantage of muntz over copper? Is it cost, better resistance to corrosion, or some other reason? Another very interesting video. Thank you.
If fallible memory serves me right, this process began in the 1830s. Another advantage was that it lasted longer than the copper itself.
Thank you for your clarification. That explains why some of the plastic clipper ship models I was building as a 12 year old in the early 70's called for gold paint for the hull bottom. @@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
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Interesting to note that in antiquity lead sheating was extensively used, with copper nails instead of iron ones. They either did that because copper was much more abundant and easier to work with than iron, therefore much more widespread, or had learned through bitter experience what funny things galvanic corrosion does to a hull.
One of the various things that gets lost to time and later rediscovered. Thanks for the interesting video as always.
Likely it was a question of ease of work. We have plentiful archaeological evidence for copper nails and bolts.
Kyrenia had cooper fasteners, the Bajo de la Campana wreck also had copper fasteners, though we had only one small fragment of a plank with two mortises
Kroum,
Do you know what color the copper alloy used for gudgeons and pintles might have been? Coppered models seem to show them as black like iron, or painted black.
Is there a more accurate color??
Thank you and warm regards!!👍👍
This is a good question, It depends on the period, of course, and whether the metal used is copper or the "yellow metal". In the early years of coppering, they attempted to insulate iron and copper by using tarred paper between the two.
Thank you. !! It appears that the convention on coppered models is blackened gudgeons and pintles.
Doubtless you have “Ships fastenings: from sewn boat to steamship. “ by Michael McCarthy in your library. I just read his chapter on coppering and it looks like the gudgeons and pintles were likely hardened copper if I am reading correctly.
Thank you again!!👍👍
Very intersting. Has the original builder of the Boreas revealed themself to you?
Not so far. In fact, we were just discussing how old we think the model is
Interesting, thank-you.
Thinking about scale modelling, I wonder if copper leaf would be a way to go. It is a different skill-set, but the copper is very thin (thicker than gold-leaf, but still needs delicate handling).
Ah that’s a question best asked on the sister-channel :-) I deal with the old, real
Things, but my modeling skills are not on the level of Olya
Where did the copper come from ? There doesn’t seam to be sufficient domestic production after the Bronze Age to support that level of industry. By the time of Pythias of Marseille 300 bc’ish , England had more tin than copper.
Your storing ammunition for later gave me a good chuckle. My wife would bean me with a copper pot if I tried something like that.
Perhaps Kroum can confirm, but I'd heard that there was a ready supply of copper on Anglesey from the mid-1760's.
@@pitanpainter2140 Thanks!
Yes- local, but also could be imported. Sweden was a major source of cooper. And iron. But Great Britain was technologically most advanced and was the first one to be able to produce the rolled sheets of copper that made it possible to sheeth the fleet
Would the copper plates have been re-used at the end of the ships life?
Probably not directly as cooper wore out - that’s why periodically ships had to be recovered. Also the pattern of nailing or tacking the sheet to the hull would have ripped through the copper in the process of removing the sheets
Sacrifice a zinc block lol
Go ahead and measure, and you'll be sleeping on the couch!
Hahahaha! At least it is comfortable couch :-)