Jumbos Sent To The Desert: Will Two Young 747-8s Get Scrapped?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- April was a sad time for two Boeing 747-8s. Under completely unrelated circumstances, two different and unconnected 747-8s were both sent to Pinal Airpark in Marana Arizona- one day after another. Pinal is a site most often associated with being a long-term storage site- or quote-unquote ‘boneyard’ for aircraft.
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Scrapping a plane with only 42 hours on the airframe? What a waste.
That's very sad, indeed, surely there's some way those aircraft could be used for the good of humanity!?
Any scrapping is a waste as long as the aircraft is still flyable which in most cases is the case...
Not just it is a waste an economical damage! Do you know how much each of those cost? (I don’t) but it is EXPENSIVE
I agree what a waste of resources, I agree it is VERY EXPENSIVE to buy and operate these big beautiful birds but surely a better use could have been found for these planes, that BBJ for example could have flown with the president of United States of America 42hour airframe is still very new or another for a famous celebrity, if not a reconversion to cargo plane can also be done.
@Clayson Antoons Hello Clayson! Yes you are right about the material components of the 747-8 wings but Carbon Fibre is Not the reason why the 787s have that dramatic wing flex. If Carbon fibre was the reason, then the A350 which also has all Carbon wings would flex too in an upwards sweep just like the 787s….. but the A350’s wings are stiff in an almost horizontal fashion even when in flight. The dramatic flex of the 787 was an Engineering feat introduced by Boeing and specially built into the 787s (mind you the 777-200 & 777-300s all have aluminium wings but they flex considerably too in flight but not as dramatic as the 787s)….Boeing tends to build a level of wing flex into their aircrafts.
Take great care and stay safe 👍🏼
sad that they're so young and being scrapped while some 747s much older are still flying... what a waste of good plane
I will be stunned if the freighter is not picked up by another cargo operation. We already know that the last couple of 747-8F are being assembled at Boeing so there will not be any more of them. Given the unique loading capability, I cannot see this being the end of the line for that aircraft. If it stays in storage and is parted out, I cannot help but think that the owner is demanding an unreasonable sale price.
The other 747-8 may have a harder time finding a home. However, it is worth noting that the original plan to replace the two VC-25A - Air Force One planes was to have 3 VC-25B based on the 747-8I platform. Even though there have been many cost concerns with the VC-25B program, the Pentagon may be interested in this aircraft. They already acquired 2 planes that had never been delivered to the original buyer. So, it is possible they might want to get this plane.
The cargo plane is all about the records. If the full records are available or enough to get the aircraft recertified and insured it will almost definitely be back in service. Otherwise it will be casualty of war.
No Service records - NO Fly
Agree.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 You may be right, but there must be at least some records otherwise the aircraft would not have been able to get clearance to fly at all. Yes, it is possible to obtain one-time ferrying authorization. But, there still needs to be a minimum airworthiness in these cases.
Given the age of the aircraft, I question whether there would be sufficient demand for parts in the near term. Ultimately, it sounds to me that the actual owner is not being reasonable in an effort to find the aircraft a home.
The white 747 was scrapped because it had massive corrosion from sitting outside unused for 10 years. It unfortunately rotted in Germany beyond repair.
I’d kill for air canada to pick up that freighter. I know they wouldn’t do it but damn would that be a sight for our cargo ops
Wouldn't it be awesome!?
Air Canada already got a pretty huge 767F fleet coming up for AC Cargo :)
Maintenance paperwork and records are more valuable than the airplane itself. No records, no airplane.
Sad how the queen of the sky’s is ending such amazing legacy , one day in the far future in decades people will wish they could have saved some on these 747s especially such a unused model
PEE nal, Nick. I live out here in Arizona. It is an Indian tribal name. I have gone out there many times. It is the former site of the Arizona air national guard. I’ve seen many 747s, and other aircraft, go to their final resting place At this facility.
The freighter will find a new owner quickly, seeing as the supply of new ones is about to dry up.
I worked on some of those 747-8s; preflight inspections, re-wiring fuel jettison systems, various other functional tests.
Imagine Emirates Skycargo surprisingly leases the 747-8fs; although I do doubt that could happen
The Air Bridge Cargo 747 is much more efficient with a shorter top hump.
The USAF should purchase that 747-8i BBJ and start converting it into a 3rd AF1 ...especially since the original plan was to have 3 new planes to replace the 2 current ones.
This is literally so shocking.
The repossessed jet is probably being flown in for heavy maintenance, I highly doubt considering the nature of its repossession they will have all the paperwork they would normally have for an off lease aircraft so may have to replace some unknown timed components
Want an aircraft formerly used in commercial aviation touches down at Pino air park, it will never fly again. Fuel would have to be trucked in, probably from in Tucson. I don’t think that the facility is used as a private or recreational facility at all.
They have plenty of fuel. Pinal Air Park is a full service heavy aircraft maintenance facility. And they have flown ALOT a planes out of there as the Covid situation has eased up. They were packed with stored planes a year ago. I frequent there for photos ops. I caught the white 747-8 arriving a couple weeks ago. Sadly, I missed the Pratt Whitney SP departing last week due to my schedule.
Time for the first 747-8 BCF
My guess is the freighter won't be scrapped unless the documentation is missing (then it's screwed), instead they're just setting it aside for a little while. Even if there is demand for such aircraft now, the lease is probably still contractually obligated to the Russian operators even though their use of the aircraft has been revoked due to the war. Probably they'll have some period of time keeping it at the ready to return to them if the war ends and leases to Russians can resume, but if that doesn't happen eventually it will find a new home.
I wonder how much that refurbishment cost?!
I'm a 35 year veteran Commercial Truck Owner Operator and I would like to buy and refurbish a 747 from a boneyard and become a global air-cargo aircraft owner operator.
It’s devastating to learn that so young aircrafts will be scrapped! It looks that the Queen of the sky are the responsible of airline losses!
Wish the USAF would buy them for heavy lift or “special missions”.
That’s just sad.
Pure conjecture, but I assume that if an airliner is converted to a business jet, many of its features become either redundant or surplus to requirements, but if built as a business jet, are they fitted in the first place, so the airframe/equipment may need significant and expensive re-fitting before it can be converted for airline use?
However, business is business, and once the components have more value than the whole, it's fate is pretty much determined.
For 10 years.. a massive infrastructure aid like a super jumbo can be practically idled and wasted¡¿ strange!
No way, too young and valuable for scrapping
Shouldn’t be one copy of the service manual always onboard the plane???
Unfortunate.
Is a big Shame. Destroy this marvelous machines
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They will get snapped up
The air bridge cargo won't be scrapped. The company I work for is trying to get it
I think it would be cool for Lufthansa cargo to take the 1 748F
Those two 747-8F's will likely stay in "limbo" storage until the Russia-Ukraine conflict is resolved. It's possible they may be returned back to their right owners.
Why can't air India buy such aircrafts ?
Its too expensive to opperate Quadjets these days. its cheaper to operate for example the 777-300. most of the 747-800 are cargo planes. expect one airliner. (Lufthansa)
i dont think they are getting scrapped. probably the cargo goes to Cargolux. and maybe the passenger to Lufthansa, or a government.
This is what happens when you have so much money, you can waste it and not think about it. Ridiculous. Manufacturers should make customers sign an agreement that they operate the aircraft for at least 15 years.
What a waste. Maybe they could be converted into bombers to liberate Mariupol.
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Wasteful, pitiful
If tRumpty-dumpty really had money, he'd grab that bargain 747-8!! 🤣
He's broke...🎯💥💨
Crazy to waste these. There’s gotta be a way to use them, especially with all the goods needing hauled.
Yes, and considering how much money is involved, from an outsider looking in, it makes zero sense.
@@Boxcarphilly honestly selling for parts will probly get them more money 747s use alot of fuel compared to 777s so if your buying a new plane it makes sence to buy a 777 since the fuel difference is massive 747's are still widely used thought so you should get a nice price for the parts since the planes basicly new
@@ant5963 - okay thanks, but using that logic, about the fuel usage, why would any carrier ever even order one new from Boeing if there are cheaper-to-fly alternatives? And by extension, if they're that expensive to fly, you'd think current operators would be scrambling to sell them off for parts. But no, that's not happening.
How do I feel about two young Boeing 747 getting scrapped ?
Devastating. Such young, beautiful aircrafts that can be put into good use.
My money says that in about 2 or 3-years, there will be a lack of cargo capacity in the Global air cargo market. There will be a scramble for capacity, with a matching increase in freight charges will happen. Global business logic is too short-sighted, and cashiering aircraft & capacity will be viewed as a failed idea.
This is an excellent point.
Exactly, they won't be able to build 777XFs fast enough!!
Very true
We've been there for a couple years now
These days companies never look past the next quarterly earning report and associated CEO bonus. Once the CEO's short-sighted strategy comes back to haunt the company the CEO bails out with a golden parachute and finds another company. I don't even blame the CEOs themselves for this (much as we love to hate them) but more the global financial and corporate machine that has come to reward CEOs and other corporate decision makers for short-sighted strategy and protect them from any negative ramifications.
It so sad to have these young 747-8 being scrapped and dismantled for pieces
The cargo version will be snapped up quickly. A government might buy the passenger version for VIP Transpotation.
Or a billionaire probably
@@randomapche7478 Exactly, where are they!?!
I would send them to another airline
There is NO WAY. Two Near brand new 747-8’s are getting scrapped. They are probably waiting on a new buyer but scrapped? Definitely not.
SAVE THE QUEEN!!!
Sell them to the USAF, the E4Bs are even older than the current Air Force 1s!
Just a heads up, Pinal is pronounced pee-nal, not pie-nal.
Very sad. There must be something they can do with those 2 Jumbo Next Generation
Why dont they make the first 747-8BCF out of the VIP plane and keep the 747 8F in long term storage as long as possible. There are more planes to be scrapped before a 747 8f. When the documents are optainened the aircraft can be sold and new operators will be pleased with a relatively new 747 which would require less maintenance, compared to other 747s built around the same time.
hopefully there just for storage
What about doing a P to F conversion on such a young aircraft?
No they won't.
Scrapping a brand new plane because no one wants it is a waste of resources they could have sold it at a lower price and made more. The Russian cargo plane could be place in the same situation, as for the record it could have been reconstructed and warranty by Boeing
It’s a waste of 2 great airplanes that could be used for another 30 to 40 years. I say the planes should be reused for as long as they are airworthy.
I was based in the East Midlands over the last year and used to see an Air Bridge Cargo 747 enroute to East Midlands Airport around 4.30pm most days
This planet is gone crazy. Scrappjng an airplane with just 42 hours of flighttime is not just a waste, but it is totally ignoring fine craftmanship of boeing workers. Nothing is worth a penny any more
What a waste
We had to accept that the AN-225 isn't among us any more! So 2 two 747-8 being scrapped, maybe because of the situation going on in eastern Eurpoe, aren't the lesser evil!
cant they remove the paint and sell it to someone instead of wasting an airframe that is only used for 42 hours?
ITS NOT EVEN USED FOR 100+ HOURS AND YOU GUYS ARE SCRAPPING IT
The Boeing Business Jet 747 wasn’t actually in good shape. I heard from somebody familiar with the matter that it had pretty bad corrosion damage from sitting outside for 10 years without use. It would have been a can of worms maintenance wise had somebody else purchased it.
RIP 747s u will be in our hearts when you retire
I hope the low time Saudi executive private jet finds a new home and goes on to have a long service career. However, it will not be the 1st low time 747 to be scrapped. The airborne laser test 747 was scrapped several years ago. I was sorry to se that one scrapped instead of sold and utilized as a different experimental test aircraft.
If I was a multi millionaire I'd buy that b748IBBJ AND TURN IT INTO A HOME IN THE SKY..
Atlas air should just buy them
At 0.23 I saw an Atlas Air 747 already dumped there, but I don't know how old it might be.......
@@artrandy yea they have a lot of older 747-100s and 200s that they retired.
Obliessnce gone mad.
Can I buy the second aircraft before scrapping?
The 8F will be bought, cargo rates are still very bouyant
It's say they already r very low in no.
Only 42 hours in the air? It should be a museum piece if they won't fly it.
STORAGE!! THE QUEEN WILL RISE AGAIN!!
Wish I had the cash to take one off of their hands.
I want one for a house!!!
ABC GIMME THOSE
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Barely broken in aircraft being scrapped for being too big just like Singapore’s A380s. Someone should duplicate The Starship as a jumbo. I’m sure the musicians love one vehicle touring.
Is there a pun in the name "Pinal airport"?
It sounds too much like "Final airport", or "Penal airport"
PeeNAL.
I'd love to see these two go back into service as soon as possible.
In one way it's good that the leasing company has got their aircraft back(ABC) but on the other hand it seems such a waste that it could be scrapped. I thought air freight companies were falling over themselves to get aircraft like this?
I think that Boeing should pitch the idea to the US Airforce to take it. After all, it is already half setup. What a
Sad I don’t like that!
It’s a shame. These are Queens of the Sky and you don’t just dump royalty that young in the desert.
And one of the thing, the barracks and facilities formerly used by the Arizona air National Guard, are still standing, and it is a modern day ghost town
Those barracks were used in the 1940’s! The north end of the airport is now an Army Helicopter training base.
Can you add any more info about the plane with only 42 hours of flight? What has it been doing; where has it been and who had it?
It was to be a head of state plane for the United Arab republic, they cancelled the order and it sat in Europe for ten years. It’s at Pinal now, the doors are all open, but the engines haven’t been removed. There are pics on the web, there is nothing inside as it was to be configured as a biz jet. No seats at all.
Send the -8F to Antonov Airlines
And how is Antonov going to pay for it ????
Other quiestion is, what would Antonov do with Boeing? :D
And as long as the maintenance records aren’t retrieved there isn’t much they can do with it
@@zvakanaka2000 for free, tiny compensation for destroying the An-225
@@cskvision The money given by well wishers for rebuilding the 225 has already disapeared ! A most corrupted country !